thats a punching a orphan moment
#lore-and-universe
faint stone
cedar surge
yea thats gonna go over well
lets see
humanity has what
less then 100 colonies left?
and the elites have over 7000
cedar surge
mista
cedar surge
mista do you not know how expensive novas are
dense pulsar
Threaten them with firing the Halo rings
cedar surge
mista
craggy sierra
That would kill us
cedar surge
that will kill everyone
craggy sierra
And insight more war
dense pulsar
Yea but so would the Elite's showing up to fight us
craggy sierra
Also there's refugee elites on earth
dense pulsar
Better to threaten Mutually Assured Destruction than one side getting steam-rolled
cedar surge
mista
you would have started the war in the first place
you do not acknolawge how expensive novas are
this is a worse plan than the poisned crop plan
gilded mason
Or how dumb they are
dense pulsar
SoS?
stable flower
Swords Of Sangelios
dense pulsar
Ah
cedar surge
the swords of Sanghellios...
dense pulsar
Idk man. A single Spartan managed to fight through the Covenant to get to a Halo's control room plus got the index
gilded mason
(With one of the most advanced AIs ever)
craggy sierra
Also the UNSC has been disarming Halo rings since the war ended
dense pulsar
Just human wave tactics your Spartans bro
versed helm
He has the luck of the gods, man
gilded mason
Though that really only amounts to a single ring. đ
dense pulsar
Just put a Haclyn class ship on a ring and throw grenades into the engine
dense pulsar
No need to disarm a ring if there is no ring
craggy sierra
tbh 343's been getting away from trying to handwave everything chief does as bs luck
And I can respect that
cedar surge
your grasping at super thin straws
craggy sierra
Also there is a reason to disarm a ring
cedar surge
for your xenophobic genocide
craggy sierra
Blowing it up just makes the ark spit out more
craggy sierra
The fight ended
gilded mason
I believe you're thinking of Truth.
craggy sierra
Get over it
versed helm
.......
craggy sierra
There were press conferences and public acts of diplomacy after the war
gilded mason
I didn't realize you were roleplaying?
cedar surge
good to see that it has evolved so far
dense pulsar
Yea, I was seeing how far I could keep the character going
stable flower
Johnson saw the first and last casualties of the war.
cedar surge
apprently we are arguing with a xenophobic citizen
dense pulsar
By introducing increasingly more stupid plans
I mean, Xenophobia is probably a major thing among the citizenry
stable flower
Sapien Sunrise anyone?
dense pulsar
Yeah, the war is over and the Elites helped at the very end of it, but that doesn't change the fact they killed such a massive portion of humanity
craggy sierra
Time moves on and it'll be history at some point
dense pulsar
At some point yeah, but I don't think 4 years is enough time when the war lasted 30 years
west silo
Not in 4 years
dense pulsar
Thats enough time for one generation to enter service, retire, and have another enter it
cedar surge
but any citizen who seriously thinks that the unsc could actually stike backat the elites like thos
west silo
Just way too little time
cedar surge
i would reccomend therapy
gilded mason
lol
dense pulsar
Well, it would have to be pretty widespread. I think there'd be alot of people who are like "kill dem split lip aliens, I tell u hwat!"
cedar surge
cause they seriously can't think critically
west silo
Hey now remember even a dad with enough motivation can become a threat to earth
cedar surge
and thats how you end up dead on a outer colomy
stable flower
27 years, to be exact.
cedar surge
nothing under a spartan is equal to a elite
vapid garden
Poop
cedar surge
anything less would get man handled unless they were a soldier
west silo
Wait does this mean that the storm covenant just weren't motivated enough
dense pulsar
Its not even about thinking critically. Being mad at the former members of the Covenant would probably be something prominent in the Zeitgeist for a while and I wouldn't be surprised if major rhetoric became "Make the UNSC even stronger so we can blow aliens up better"
west silo
Am surprised the unsc doesn't have more novas
cedar surge
good riddancee
west silo
Planet busters son
cedar surge
thats just a instant "we win" button
dense pulsar
Neural physics is the we win button imo
west silo
Plot is the I win button
dense pulsar
Nova bombs are like "We need the UNSC to do something cool but they don't do enough so it makes sense that they're losing" button
versed helm
Spartans are "yeah that's why the UNSC won that skirmish" button
west silo
Man but imagine how dumb the unsc felt when they discovered the nova bomb
dense pulsar
2620, the History channel is on. The schedule? All documentaries about Master Chief and the Human-Covenant war and one conspiracy theory show about Noble 6
west silo
So all we had to was stuff a bunch of nuked in a very strong box
2620, the History channel is on. The schedule? All documentaries about Master Chief and the Human-Covenant war and one conspiracy theory show about Noble 6
@dense pulsar
And at midnight it starts to have crazy conspiracy theories about how the flood and the precursors are the same
dense pulsar
Nah they're going to flash some imagery of Egypt and other river-valley civilizations and be like "Did Forerunners build the pyramids? Why did the Forerunners leave us on Earth?"
versed helm
And the "Aliens" guy will be saying "Neural Physics"
dense pulsar
"That portal that opened over Voi during the war? Neural Physics."
dusty prawn
"Was the Arbiter's voice always so deep, or was it something in the water on the Ark? More at 11."
Back to the earlier exchange. I'm a total hardcore xenophile, but even I understand why large portions of humanity would be extremely resentful to the sangheili as a species to species thing. We always look overhead with multiple language-barrier-removing viewpoints, but they can't. If they are under 27 years old they know nothing but getting curbstomped by unsympathetic giant strong, fast lizardmen who only sided with them to end the war because they themselves were stabbed in the back and left with no option. And except for Thel's progressive movement and leadership, a large portion of the sangheili population still really really wants to kill humans (and you can't blame them, it's their apparently super fun and easy pastime).
versed helm
"Thank you for your insight, Jim. Now, we're taking you live on Sanghelios where local legend and xenoanthropologist, Phyliss, is about to break his own record for solving the maximum number of arums in five minutes!"
gilded mason
"Aww, look at him go! Isn't he just precious, folks?"
gleaming thicket
Ok but what if the forerunners werent salty little shites
versed helm
"Phyliss is going strong, already on his 6th arum as the clock just passes the half time mark andAAAAAAAHHH!!!!! SOME KIND OF BLAST JUST OCCURRED IN THE MARKET!!! WE'RE GOING IN TO GET A BETTER LOOK"
gleaming thicket
Just imagine how all of Halo could've been avoided had the Forerunners just accepted the Precursors decision
Would've been beautiful
dusty prawn
or let some canisters of powder escape. Or some other things after that too.
I want a halo book just on Phillisssss's eventual return to Sangheilios from a perspective of a sangheili show host now, as he cranks out the most difficult arums in record time
we can cut to scenes where he's haunted by the memories of that one burning farm keep, and then at the end he overcomes it with the help of a Mr. Miagi type sangheili who helps him become an even greater arum solver, where he wins the arum tournament and the book abruptly ends right as he wins like it's a 1970s movie. Yeah I'd pay good money for that.
343 please
jolly swift
Obviously the only conspiracy theorist who should be hosting a show is Benjamin Gireau
gilded mason
I want a halo book just on Phillisssss's eventual return to Sangheilios from a perspective of a sangheili show host now, as he cranks out the most difficult arums in record time
As long as that at some point, he gets the crud beaten out of him after being smug to the wrong Sangheili.
stable flower
Its a device that teaches young Elites the value of patience.
It's part ornament, part puzzle, so yeah, pretty much like a Rubix cube.
lethal comet
A spherical rubix cube and you have to move spheres layer by layer to unlock it
true snow
how old is arbiter canonically as of 2552
gilded mason
67
zenith veldt
i wonder what's the average lifespan of a sangheili
cedar surge
/probably like 140 years or something
Which is probably around the human lifespan in halo
unique rune
Pretty sure itâs gotta be older than that
Nizat was described as being pretty old if I recall correctly
I just donât remember exactly what the number was
gilded mason
Around 200 Earth years for Nizat
zenith veldt
maybe he was just lucky? got to live old?
zenith veldt
the prophets (can't remember actual name) can get super old but frail and fragile quickly
what was the real name of the species that the prophets were?
cant remember
gilded mason
San'Shyuum
zenith veldt
oh yeah
west silo
I wonder what's a brute life span
zenith veldt
i bet they dont get that old
west silo
How long would a grunt live for since they mature quickly
zenith veldt
hmm
cedar surge
Probably would die quickly
zenith veldt
reproduce quickly, die quickly, repeat
west silo
Probably 30
cedar surge
Ainr most grunt characters we know like under 5 years old
zenith veldt
uh
west silo
Oof
zenith veldt
never heard that
cedar surge
Grunts mature faster
west silo
Yeah they mature fast
Your basically killing a bunch of children when u fight the grunts
Or is that because am using humans years?
cedar surge
Well for grunts would they be children
Because were using human ideas
Not covenant or grunt ideas
zenith veldt
arent grunts supposed to be like 4 or five feet tall?
west silo
Yep
cedar surge
Same size as humans yea
zenith veldt
cause it really doesn't seem like it
cedar surge
That's because your a 7 foot tall supersoldier
west silo
There tall its just that your running around as a 7 foot supersoldier remember
zenith veldt
i know the elites after like 7-8 Feet right? so the grunts look small compared to them but 4 feet tall is pretty tall compared to a norman human
cedar surge
If you stop shooting everything up and compare the grunts to the humans you would see rhat
4 feet tall for a human?
west silo
And the games never were that good with scale
zenith veldt
ok
cedar surge
Or just the guns in general
west silo
For example the mantles approach is the size of a small moon
lethal comet
The grunt army we saw in cole protocol was only a few years old
west silo
But in game seems just a little bigger than the infinity
zenith veldt
ever heard of the elite who was like 11 feet tall?
lethal comet
They bred a grunt army in just a few years
west silo
The grunt army we saw in cole protocol was only a few years old
@lethal comet
Dog years elites
It solves every thing
ever heard of the elite who was like 11 feet tall?
@zenith veldt
The must overhyped being in halo
Literally got hyped up for some big appearance only to get blown up not doing anything
zenith veldt
yeah
cedar surge
Would using a nova be a war crime?
gilded mason
Literally got hyped up for some big appearance only to get blown up not doing anything```
Yup. First mentioned in one novel where they talk about how great he is, then killed a little while later, never again to be referenced in another novel.i think he should be refrenced more often, in more novels or even referenced in infinite
doubt it'll happen
zenith veldt
I've heard of fleet battles, what was it?
gilded mason
A tabletop game
zenith veldt
ohh
lethal comet
Mainly space warfare strategies
zenith veldt
sounds cool
cedar surge
There was also a ground version called ground Copland
But they both were discontinued
So
Does humanity just trade food with the elites?
west silo
Would using a nova be a war crime?
@cedar surge
Would glassing a planet be a war crime?
Does humanity just trade food with the elites?
@cedar surge
Dog food maybe . just don't tell them where it comes from
astral pivot
Humanity trades lots with elites such as weapons, rescourse, and Labor after war many elites stayed work the UNSC for many projects of rebuilding relations with humans and we see many things they made with UNSC like the Sword Hog which they use on joint operations
zenith veldt
at the time of halo 5, why were the covanent still even fighting humanity?
just to get back at them for what happened the previous years?
snow halo
I think they're different people like for example the elites you saw at the end of Halo 3 obviously wouldn't be fighting humans in 4 or 5
zenith veldt
yeah
west silo
Eveyones got a grudge these days
snow halo
but I don't know how Jul 'Mdama's covenant started
west silo
He got really lucky
fair hazel
ONI captured him, he escaped to a world known as Hesduros
snow halo
like what was his motivation
zenith veldt
to kill remaining human forces
fair hazel
Through a forerunner portal, and the locals were, very impressed, he used his status and knowledge to form this covenant faction in revenge of the humans.
west silo
And conveniently found a bunch of elites that he could use for his cause
zenith veldt
idk
fair hazel
he lost his wife during the civil war.
gilded mason
Revenge, partly
west silo
His motivation is simply revenge
fair hazel
the begining
snow halo
In the first age
zenith veldt
so the covanent we see in halo 5, is different from the rest of the games, but in halo 5 was the covanent only controlled by 'Mdama?
gilded mason
In Halo 4 and 5, we faced Jul's Covenant, yes.
snow halo
yeah you'll know if you watched or played spartan ops
zenith veldt
i didn't
west silo
To be honest though halo 4 didn't even hint at Jul existing
The only clue being a very small appearance in the terminal
west silo
And a side from Spartan ops the only other time he appears in a game he dies like a low level grunt
In the first mission
snow halo
he should've been a late game bossfight imo
west silo
The sanghelios level would have have the perfect moment to kill him
It would have really gave you the feeling of the fall of the covenant
jolly swift
So... Why is the navy in charge of anything and everything space in Halo?
I mean I know the Space Force wasn't a thing when Halo first came out, but of all branches why the navy?
stable flower
There's a trope for that: Space Is An Ocean
west silo
What does it mean?
stable flower
Naval affairs that include space in sci-fi.
Sorta like how space vessels are called ships.
terse lava
That's been a thing since sci fi was first invited anyway
west silo
Hmmm doesn't really involve the jul thing but okay
terse lava
Look at older novels like "The Foundation" series
lethal comet
Not really
terse lava
Ah
Then again atm i dont recall to many AI even being used
If anything they were more "Roman Empire in space"
west silo
Or maybe I was thinking of the culture
west silo
They fit better yeah
terse lava
They were the ones with the AI ruled society that allowed you to sail on stars and fight interstellar battles in microseconds
terse lava
I personally imagine that's how the original forerunner/humans were back during the precursor's rule
terse lava
Eh maybe microsecond battles were a thing for precursors then
west silo
Well forerunners could see pretty fast
In crytum after during the final battle after bornsteller got augmented he was watching the battle and explaining every detail
Then in Primordium we see the same battle from chakas POV and his describes what he sees as a flash of light then nothing
stable flower
Oh I thought you were talking about the trope
west silo
Nah just killing Jul so early
And unceremoniously
Halo subverting your expectations since 2006
stable flower
So 2558 is basically the 2020 of the 26th-century?
astral pivot
Um I guess if your count ai taking over the galaxy
versed helm
Yeah. Some magic alien turned people into computer programs, then our own programs stuck it to us
versed helm
Yap Yap the Destroyer
terse lava
What about him?
astral pivot
the grunt who was in charge of sanitation for high charity and aritox took him pretty cool dude
long monolith
ANANIZI SİKİYİM oros pular yarrak lar fafafafafafak fak fak yarrak amık
versed helm
opens unggoy to english dictionary
i believe that HGMSPR0321 is emitting murderous growls and some very exotic language
faint stone
if emilie wasn't a spartan would he have being a prisoner
considering he was a psycho
and loved killing
versed helm
Why imprison someone for wanting to kill an alien alliance hell bent on wiping out the human race
He also isn't really much of a psychopath
His violent and aggressive combat choices were usually brought out by wanting to show the enemy/his team that he's not afraid and to threaten his enemy into surrender, retreating or just making their moral pretty much vanish
Emile was a rad soldier
cedar surge
plus he is doing exactly as the unsc tells him to do
just is a bit excessive about it
inner basin
opens unggoy to english dictionary
i believe that HGMSPR0321 is emitting murderous growls and some very exotic language
Care to give an example of this âexoticâ language he used
jolly swift
zug zug
wet pollen
Hey.
round comet
hello.
cedar surge
yea
cedar surge
cause there is way less people who are interested in the lore
round comet
:)
round comet
i love every bit of the narrative yes.
wet pollen
Nartative.
round comet
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
wet pollen
What about the armor.
cedar surge
eh i don't like it
i think its too bright and sometimes it looks stragiht up rediculus
wet pollen
Hm.
cedar surge
they look extra weird in the comics
like actual power rangers sometimes
well not that bad
i think its more of just escalations inconsistansis
nimble crest
cedar surge
so regret was on the isde of the elites right
cedar surge
if he didn't get beat by chief would he have fought for the elites?
versed helm
Art style for halo wars tho
main siren
Probably, Lance
fiery crypt
Iâm starting to like Aatriox. He has a lot in common with Arbiter, but went down a different path.
round comet
the only thing he really has common with Thel is the fact that they both left the covenant.
fiery crypt
they were both disgraced by the Prophets and disillusioned with the Covenantâs religious dogma
cedar surge
well that goes for multiple people
plus that is only 2 similarities
even though atriox says no one joins the banished by force
they still enslave peopl
fiery crypt
Yeah, he did become the very thing he rebelled from
cedar surge
this is the second time
fiery crypt
Thatâs the part I donât understand
fiery crypt
I thought he was disillusioned with the Covenant religion around Halo
cedar surge
i dont see how this could be a power move
seeing as
it would kill everybody if they fired it
including themselves
he was disillusioned because the covenant kept sending his pack to die for a religion not their own
the breaking point was when the exacutioner tried to kill him
round comet
yeah, but now he wants a ring for himself.
for what?
kill everyone?
or does he still believe in something similar to the great journey?
cedar surge
well atriox is obviusly not controlling thise cell of the banished
cedar surge
so maybe echserum is a brute who simpily wants a good fight before ending everything?
round comet
and escharum is likely part of the hand.
cedar surge
welll they are specifically targeting humanity
round comet
so maybe echserum is a brute who simpily wants a good fight before ending everything?
thats, what paul crocker said although we dont know if he's just waiting for something.
cedar surge
so maybe paybacck for the creation of the created?
round comet
"To a certain degree, whether it was the Covenant or now the Banished, everyone's heard of Master Chief, his legend has been spreading through the universe for years. Obviously the Banished have a slightly different perspective on this situation and all this is personified in their leader who is War Chief Escharum. He is a very different character from some of the characters we credited before. He is very much Chief's equal. He's very much an old soldier who has kind of already won. He's, you saw the state the ring was in, in our, in our demo. He actually didn't have much to live for anymore because he's too good at his job. And now they find Chief, Chief's back and that invigorates him, gives him a new purpose. Like he said, this is his final fight. He just wants to be able to say, I defeated Chief."
-paul crocker
terse lava
So they go from the didact as chief's first true nemesis, to some random jiralhanae...fun
round comet
yeah, wait a sec that may have to do something with:
"This is a fan favorite kind of enemy class that's been on hiatus for a bit" - chris lee
so the creation and inclusion-in-infinite of the banished has something to do with pleasing fans, fan service
no surprise.
terse lava
No shocker there seeing as the Created fell flat and were a dumb concept
round comet
just fits into my prediction/belief that this game's narrative may end up being a fan service ridden dumpster fire
terse lava
Who knows
round comet
No shocker there seeing as the Created fell flat and were a dumb concept
i dont entirely agree with that.
cedar surge
I mean hasn't the only good thing we seen them do was give the grunts at hablo supplies?
In every other instance we see them knocking ships and aircraft out of the sky,dooming vessels in space,and commuting massacares
terse lava
It's a faction who cant be harmed by anything outside of the original Covenant empire. A main enemy who cant be beaten via anything outside of a mcguffin
cedar surge
Yea cause halo can't have humanity without "our back against the wall"
terse lava
A foe who has no real tangible form as they can change it at will
terse lava
Hm?
cedar surge
Just a small feeling
That that is not safe to click on
Chimera can you do something?
round comet
@humble yacht uhh daily clown visit
ooh boy thats a lot of work
thats...not spanish.
humble yacht
Thanks for bringing that to my attention
round comet
:)
true snow
I got a quick questions
terse lava
May have a quick answer
true snow
Spartan II augmentations were better than Spartan III augmentations right
in terms of sheer improvements to the body
karmic hemlock
definitely
true snow
not including cost and death rate
karmic hemlock
spartan 3s were made to be disposable
true snow
yeah
terse lava
Hm, by default yes, but the newer gen armor balances them out
true snow
some dude on reddit kept telling me that spartan IIIs had better augmentations lmao
karmic hemlock
spartan 4s are more or less on par with spartan 2s. less physical augmentations, but their armor makes up the difference
humble yacht
No the III augs were better
true snow
how?????
terse lava
Put an SIII in the new stuff and they are just as good as an S2..apparantly
humble yacht
They didnât have side effects like death
terse lava
No chim is right, that does count
true snow
im talking about sheer improvements to the physique
like which one is better in that sense
humble yacht
As far as I can see, nowhere does it say that the enhancements of the III augs were lesser than the II augs
true snow
they were chemical and not surgical dude
round comet
Spartan II augmentations were better than Spartan III augmentations right
the 3's augmentations were chemical induced and less risky so no, theirs were better.
humble yacht
Aside from Buckâs biased personal accounting of the spartan gens
cedar surge
Yea Spartan 3s got chemicals than surgical
humble yacht
Though interestingly
terse lava
I would say if we see going base, S3 had it better, seeing they got that lovely little chemical cocktail to make them more aggressive for the gamma group
true snow
The difference is drugs vs physically changing their bodies
humble yacht
Buck said the IIs were like Titans and the IIIs were like Greek gods
But the Greek gods defeated the titans and locked them away
cedar surge
Well gamma do have to take drugs for the rest of their lives
true snow
so he clearly doesn't know greek mythology lmao
cedar surge
Like in the reach trailer showing Carter becoming a full Spartan 3
true snow
The augmentations to Spartan IIs were surgical and they had things such as their bones reinforced with metal plating
humble yacht
Just because the augs were chemical doesnât mean they were less effective
true snow
instead of drugging them up
karmic hemlock
ugh
just remembered how much i HATE flood missions. h3, cortana
true snow
it makes it less invasive, and less extensive
humble yacht
IIIs also got bone augs
terse lava
Doesnt matter, drugs made up for it. Look at Dante, shrugged off needler and plasma rounds so bad it had bared his ribs and guts
You wouldn't see that from a SII
true snow
in the books it says that they didn't use chemical augmentations on the spartan iis because they wouldn't be able to change things on a broader scale like surgery could
humble yacht
Look up project aster and project chrysanthemum and compare the augs
round comet
chemical induced > surgical
the end.
true snow
they did the same thing but chrysanthemum did it to a lesser extent
take noble team
They were the spartan iiis that were the best of the best right
humble yacht
Also if you read up on both procedure
true snow
they were determined to be the best by seeing if they could match up to the spartan iis
humble yacht
The IIs got plenty of chemical injections
true snow
Jorge is part of their team and he isn't one of the best spartan iis
humble yacht
And the IIIs has surgeries
true snow
but way less
humble yacht
Surgery doesnât mean stronger
terse lava
That's more a gameplay thing for Jorge
Hes the tank of the group. Can't have him zip around the field killing everyone can we?
true snow
well there's one more thing to take into account
there are no spartan iiis that have outdone spartan ii records or come close
for example kelly, no spartan iii has come close to being as fast as she is
or linda and her insane accuracy
neither have spartan iis though lol
terse lava
You have Alpha who vaporized thousands of Covenant along with 4 to 6 cruisers
true snow
alpha?
zenith veldt
are you just trying to say no spartan is the same?
terse lava
Alpha company
terse lava
Problem with that comparison
true snow
blue team has done that and way more
terse lava
One got that over a long period of time
Besides
If you wanna go that route, normal humans like Cole and Whitcomb put the Spartans to shame
true snow
bruh alpha company was also 300 spartans
300 spartans only did that much?
doesn't that make them look bad
compared to spartan iis
terse lava
And Halverson, gotta give him credit alongside Whitcomb
humble yacht
the reason the IIIs were considered expendable is not because they were weaker but because they were easier to make, and cheaper
cedar surge
Whitecomb got a high kill count
true snow
yeah
zenith veldt
mass produced spartans
humble yacht
SPI was much more economic, but a III in MJOLNIR was as good as a II in MJOLNIR
terse lava
Yep
humble yacht
you have some exceptions on both sides
true snow
then how come more spartan iiis weren't equiped with mjolnir? like at least another noble-type team
humble yacht
because that wasn't the purpose of the Spartan III program
cedar surge
That's 900 Spartans you would have to give starship cost armor
terse lava
They were teen soldiers thrown at literal impossible odds to die
true snow
they were cannon fodder because most weren't good enough to justify mjolnir
terse lava
No
true snow
i didn't say give all of them mjolnir
cedar surge
That's wrong
terse lava
They were made to be cheap
true snow
I said make another team like noble with mjolnir
cedar surge
They did
true snow
what team
cedar surge
There was multiple teams
true snow
i thought those were twos
cedar surge
Spartan 3s were made to be cheap and mass produced
terse lava
No
true snow
because twos were also deployed to reach
humble yacht
I mean, it's not like all IIs got Mark VI (or even Mark V) right off the bat
cedar surge
That's why they didn't wear MJLNIOR
terse lava
Only a few
humble yacht
only chief had Mark VI for a long while
true snow
how do we know that the spartans there were iiis and iis though
iiis and not iis i mean
terse lava
Because no 2s were in the area
humble yacht
you can't base a spartan's worth on the armor they wear
true snow
how do we know that
terse lava
They had orders to guard the generators for the MACS
true snow
wasn't lone wolf near the MAC cannon
terse lava
Fall of Reach and First Strike shows what the 2s were doing
cedar surge
In the last level of reach we see dead Spartan 3s
terse lava
No it wasn't
true snow
oh
terse lava
Well I am off to work, have fun
cedar surge
Bye
true snow
see ya
versed helm
Hi
humble yacht
filtering?
round comet
it does have shields so id imagine they wont want the MACs being blocked by them
acoustic dock
yes the infinity like shielded covenant ships has to drop a small portion of its shields to fire but i imagine the hole isnt too big
versed helm
It's just a wee bit bigger than the size of the projectile
acoustic dock
well yes
versed helm
Helps protect ze ship, and all that
last anchor
Nah, they have gravitational manipulation fields for shielding.
And Torsion Drivers.
cedar surge
They use gravity as shields?
last anchor
Among other things.
versed helm
They use light to make bridge. Not surprising that they use gravity to shield
last anchor
^
Actually for the most part, MOST of their ships were of hardlight.
So it wouldnt really matter if they took hits since the ship could practically heal itself. See Mantle Approach casually sealing off a hole punched in it by Infinity's main battery, the same weapon capable of removing a small continent from a planets surface
versed helm
It made a huge crater on the planet
cedar surge
Huh maybe that's why some elites were mad
gilded mason
Probably
I liked one man's thoughts on that scene.
Despite this ONI still feels the need to dangle its impressive new warship above the Sangheili homeworld, completely without support ships, a long long way home and with an untested skeleton crew. Any modern naval commander would tell you this is a perfectly good way to loose a significant portion of the defence budget in one go. If Nyland was still writing the Halo books the Infinity would have been a boiling scrap of metal in space before the end of the second book, if heâd even allowed Parangosky to take her to the Sangheili homeworld in the first place.
cedar surge
Yea I hate that the unsc keeps doing that over And over
And look how manytines the infinity gets caught or surrounded all alone cause of that
west silo
Isn't a standard battle group like three
Ships
When harvest went dark they sent 3 ships to investigate
Plus doesn't the infinity carry its own space fleet
cedar surge
They sent 4 ships to harvest
The infinity has 10 frigates
Which seems less helpful than something stronger to defend the infinity
Like other carriers
Or cruisers
Or destroyers
Or battleships
west silo
Well remember the new frigates are pretty powerful
They were doing well in the Spartan ops opening
stable flower
How many times has Infinity been boarded?
cedar surge
And nearly destroyed multiple times
humble yacht
well there are too many to all follow
west silo
He struggled again an injured thorne and he doesn't seem like a seem like like a brains type of guy
humble yacht
no, the helmetless elite in SpOps
west silo
The ugly elite
humble yacht
inb4 "they're all ugly"
versed helm
Idk
versed helm
what book was it that the chad master chief almost killed or killed an odst because he got triggered
west silo
Fall of reach
versed helm
thx
astral pivot
does anyone know how Halsey dealt with the death of her daughter Miranda and Captain Keyes?
gilded mason
We saw her silently gieve with Keyes, and apparently sobbed herself to sleep many nights regarding Miranda
astral pivot
ok just wondering since it just something i never saw really metioned
cedar surge
Didmt she have a waning relationship with miranda and jacob?
Like I read that Miranda practically hated her
terse lava
That's Ellen Anders
gilded mason
Maybe not "hate", but...they really didn't see eye to eye
Though she still loved them both.
astral pivot
they just had issues since Halsey was always away on work to raise her
west silo
Didmt she have a waning relationship with miranda and jacob?
@cedar surge
Doesn't mean she didn't care about them
cedar surge
Did Miranda know much about the Spartan program?
faint stone
probably not much
halsey was secretive ofc
and she chose work over her personal life
so really i don't think miranda would have being knowledgeable about it unless she found her journal one day she visited her
cedar surge
Throughout her life, Miranda harbored a resentment for her estranged mother, and she stopped answering Halsey's letters at one point after having her name changed.[2] At some point while she was a Midshipman, she sent her mother a message, stating that she was somewhat aware of what Dr. Halsey had done
The had done part referring to the Spartan program
faint stone
lmfao
miranda would've just accessed some ONI files there and there
and bada bing bada boom
found out about her mother kidnapping children
could've also found out from ya boy johnson
cedar surge
You know maybe saying that she knows about the Spartan program in a email probably monitored by ONI may not be a good idea
west silo
Maybe she got it from keyes
cedar surge
Wouldn't that still require sending a messege
west silo
Since he kinda was involved a little
Wouldn't that still require sending a messege
@cedar surge
She did stay with keyes
gilded mason
At some point while she was a Midshipman, she sent her mother a message, stating that she was somewhat aware of what Dr. Halsey had done
oh lol, that was apparently in Glasslands
Of course
faint stone
so he might have gotten drunk and she asked him what her mom was doing
and er
he spilled the beans
but for now that's speculation#
west silo
U know keyes was close with halsey in some way after there divorce
cedar surge
Ah yes
west silo
He was close with cortana who is basically a halsey clone
cedar surge
Telling ONI that you know about their super secret program
That feels a bit like everybody knows
west silo
So that counts
cedar surge
Is such a good idea
gilded mason
Traviss. đ đ
faint stone
miranda emailing her mother saying that wouldn't mean anything in terms of ticking oni off
mainly since halsey wouldn't have her own daughter punished for that
cedar surge
Who is to say that ONI wouldn't be monitoring
cedar surge
Well the halsey may be able to lock ONI oyt
She did hack a forerunner AI
With a tablet
faint stone
yep
so halsey is tech smart
boom
would've used a futuristic vpn and stuff
or it would've been a very secretive personal email she only gave to her closest friends and family
cedar surge
On reach and using harvest as her location
faint stone
yeh lol
cedar surge
Does halsey have friends?
faint stone
ONI - 'why is catherine on freaking harvest?'
west silo
No
cedar surge
Toy would think she would have find another like minded person by now
39 billion humans there are
Wait
west silo
Well Mendez counts as her friend
faint stone
halsey and mendez being friends
mendez be like 'what the hell is that spartan doing to those ODSTs?'
halsey 'idk lol winning'
unique rune
oh lol, that was apparently in Glasslands
This place is slowly building a convincing argument for me to dislike K5
cedar surge
Perhaps
terse lava
It didn't already? We aren't doing our job then
cedar surge
Does glasslands even focus on glassed planets?
unique rune
It hasn't already because I don't remember like 95% of the K5 trilogy
So I'd prefer to reserve judgement until after a re-read
cedar surge
What's the 5 percent you remember?
zenith veldt
Does glasslands even focus on glassed planets?
isn't the story set on a glassed world?
that's what i thought
west silo
Nope
terse lava
@cedar surge barns likely
west silo
Onyx
zenith veldt
well i read like maybe at most half of the book and got bored
unique rune
What's the 5 percent you remember?
That's... honestly, a very good question.
cedar surge
So its called glasslands,something attributed to glassed colonies,but is set on a not glassed colony?
What?
Did they just put random names on a dart board and whatever gets his is chosen?
zenith veldt
yes
faint stone
i like dirt
west silo
well i read like maybe at most half of the book and got bored
@zenith veldt
That's actually something I keep hearing the books make a slightly interesting concept boring
terse lava
Dirt was a nice story
zenith veldt
yep
west silo
Especially mortal dictata
zenith veldt
fall of reach and the flood were good but the rest i kinda just glanced over
cedar surge
Wasn't that like set on one ship the entire story?
terse lava
Hm?
west silo
Brute punched a marines head right in the Middle of her revenge
terse lava
Ah that yeah, that was a different story though
west silo
Hmmmm
Really?
cedar surge
Wasn't that in rise of Atriox?
terse lava
That was from "Stomping on the Heels of a Fuss"
west silo
Ohhhhh
terse lava
All about jiralhanae
west silo
Yeah your right
faint stone
da broot
speaking of which
whats jun up to since guardians?
any word about him in the books?
zenith veldt
i hope jun makes SOME kind of appearance soon
faint stone
he's one character who needs to make an actual appearance ingame
not in a book, comic whatever
like
i want a halo 3 halo moment
with big ole' battles
alpha 9
elites
the lot
faint stone
does he still keep his armour?
cedar surge
Well he works behind desks now
cedar surge
Is that a short story?
faint stone
and the rookie is dead
zenith veldt
you think the arbiter and master chief have any relationship after halo 5, like if they even talk at all
faint stone
evolutions yeh
cedar surge
Well
faint stone
they met
cedar surge
I don't recall much
cedar surge
Like there was them being back to back and the arbiter calling him friend
zenith veldt
hmm
cedar surge
But I'm not sure if its mutual
zenith veldt
at the end of halo 5 the arbiter and chief didn't even nod to each other or anything
seemed weird
west silo
you think the arbiter and master chief have any relationship after halo 5, like if they even talk at all
@zenith veldt
They had a BBQ
cedar surge
Ah yes
zenith veldt
wut
cedar surge
Yes after they got back to sanghellios they had a BBQ
west silo
Can't conquer on an empty stomach
faint stone
and the guardian had returned to destroy the remainers of the city
zenith veldt
is this a joke or what I've never ever heard this
faint stone
in old blood
west silo
Bad blood
cedar surge
There is no old blood
west silo
The author isn't really that good
zenith veldt
i actually have bad blood but, once again, i read like 20 pages and said screw that
faint stone
cept' rookie
zenith veldt
oh
cedar surge
Old blood does sound like a cool title though
west silo
Not bad just not great
faint stone
not the standard of contact
west silo
Old blood does sound like a cool title though
@cedar surge
New wolfenstein title
faint stone
it's the dlc prequel
zenith veldt
i really do gotta read the books all the way through, i might learn a lot so i dont have to keep asking other people
west silo
Meh?
@cedar surge
Its just one big you remember these guys!!!
cedar surge
Still its one of the only books about odsts
west silo
And Mickey has a cliche redemption
cedar surge
And in the same book they become spartans
faint stone
As the reunited Alpha-Nine made their escape, they were contacted by Jun who had regained control of the station, having in reality been kept unconscious by Leonidas removing the air from his room until Buck shut the AI down. Jun asked if Buck had removed one of his prisoners and taken care of the AI, causing Buck to become evasive, particularly when Jun pointed out that removing a prisoner from the station without permission was worthy of a court-marshal no matter how much good-will Buck may have earned by saving him. Still evading Jun's questions about his actions, Buck warned him that the AI problem was part of a larger network of even greater threats that could even then be quickly approaching the station. Jun assured Buck that they were already undergoing preparations to move to another location. Dropping his more formal demeanor, Jun admitted that he'd contacted Buck to make sure he'd gotten what Buck had come for. Jun understood that desperate times called for desperate measures and warned Buck that Mickey was now his responsibility and thanked Buck for his help, promising not to forget what he did. The two wished each other luck before cutting communication.[37]
tldr
west silo
No he doesn't die saving them
cedar surge
Ain't micky still a innie but just working with the unsc?
faint stone
'hey buck, i know were LITERALLY having a civil war with smart ais and forerunners but can you just like, not do any good things or i'll court marshal you'
he supported them
both his parents were URF
mickey joined the UNSC to fight back
but ofc betrayed alpha 9 and UNSC
pissing off buck and romeo after what happened with rookie
dutch and mickey were my favs tbh
really like those 2
west silo
Actually it's was implied that Mickey was unstable just not in the game
cedar surge
So
west silo
Just no murder unstable
faint stone
it'd be hard growing up with URF parents
cedar surge
It was stated after the game where he debuted that he was unstable
faint stone
ideology unstable
west silo
More my parents I miss them unstable
faint stone
like
cedar surge
Didn't seem unstable in the game
faint stone
had his mind focused on the covies
lol
not 'gon rebel against the unsc today xoxox'
he just got more unstable post war
west silo
He was having some weird internal monologue when they asked him about them
Didn't seem unstable in the game
@cedar surge
I think bungie were the ones who made the story for that
Am a check
cedar surge
Is that sarcasm?
faint stone
huh
cedar surge
Also what does micky mean by the unsc pointing guns at their own people after the war
faint stone
'their own people'
cedar surge
Did he just not realize the innies existed during the war?
faint stone
right
west silo
Hey kinda unstable remember
faint stone
mickey was a priv first class odst
cedar surge
The unsc was already "fighting its own people"
faint stone
yes innies existed during the war but
the big focus wasn't on the innies
but instead the covenant
cedar surge
Mostly stayed quit or clapped by the covenant
west silo
He betrayed his team to random innies he just met
faint stone
an unstable guy who was raised by anti-unsc parents
craggy sierra
I think it was less about the people and more about the ideaology
faint stone
who didn't like the treatment by the unsc
west silo
The Halo 3: ODST Pre-mission Evaluation was a site used to market Halo 3: ODST before the release of the game. It contained video footage of Gunnery Sergeant Edward Buck interviewing prospective members for Alpha-Nine: Corporal Taylor Miles, Lance Corporal Kojo Agu, and Private First Class Michael Crespo.[1] It was release to coincide with the release of The Life live-action trailer.
faint stone
and alpha 9 was used against human insurrectionists instead of the covenant
which mickey had signed up for
not to fight humans
but covenant
but instead they were basically used to take out insurrectionists
so that's why he was becoming unstable
craggy sierra
I keep saying it but contextâs important.
cedar surge
Guess he thinks humanity all thinks the same way
faint stone
well...
craggy sierra
You canât just list off events isolated in a bubble and detached from the reasons that caused them.
faint stone
i think spending nearly 30 years
west silo
Buck: Your file says that you were a mandatory enlistment at 18 years old. Why mandatory?
{Mickey's thoughts: A locker room, all the lockers are marked with Roman Numerals, than focuses on locker #120.}
Mickey: When I turned 18, mandatory military service was a condition of release from foster care.
{Mickey's thoughts: A person putting down a lunch tray.}
Buck: What happened to your parents?
Mickey: They died when I was pretty young.
Buck: What happened to them?
Mickey: They died in an explosion, sir
faint stone
or was it 27 or 28
west silo
Well it clear that Mickey had some problems
faint stone
but 28 years of non stop fighting aliens instead of humans
that'd kinda just
take your mind off 'humans can be bad too lol'
when it's a fight for your own survival
and yeah mickey harbored secrets and never shared them
because if was like 'they were innies lol'
he would have being scared that people who found out who alienate him for it
west silo
Tell that to the people who think operation sunbreaker was morally wrong
gilded mason
operation sunbreaker
What was that?
west silo
My species is getting genocided but blowing up one planet os wrong
west silo
Halo envoy?
cedar surge
Yea that elite was super hypocritical
west silo
Anyone?
cedar surge
How is it morally wrong?
west silo
Human was basically finished
cedar surge
The covenant did that times 700
gilded mason
...Believe it or not, murdering billions of innocent people is kinda bad?
west silo
Earth was going to fall
cedar surge
The covenant kinda did the same thing
gilded mason
They did it when they thought Earth was already gone
cedar surge
Times 700
gilded mason
And that was morally wrong too, so I'm not sure what yer point is there
west silo
They did it when they thought Earth was already gone
@gilded mason
They had no idea
gilded mason
They did, they thought Earth was gone
west silo
And it was originally the plan
cedar surge
I guess one last punch for humanity it would have been
gilded mason
Like, murdering billions of people is bad, no matter who does it
cedar surge
Yea I see that
west silo
They did, they thought Earth was gone
@gilded mason
If I thought humanity was dead I'd it too just to spite them
cedar surge
But the elite was acting like it was worse than what the elites did to humanity
gilded mason
And that doesn't make doing that not morally wrong
Two wrongs don't make a right
He was rightfully mad.
west silo
Like, murdering billions of people is bad, no matter who does it
@gilded mason
Actually halopedia states that it had a ship building yard soo technically it was contributing to the war
cedar surge
But was still a hypocrite
west silo
He was rightfully mad.
@gilded mason
Humanity was rightfully mad
gilded mason
There was still billions of innocents there
(Rojka wasn't going to destroy a human planet because of his anger)
cedar surge
Payback
west silo
And...?
@gilded mason
So it was a military target
gilded mason
Jesus.
terse lava
The problem with this one was the war was over
craggy sierra
That was the one that was blowing up a whole planet right?
gilded mason
That has nothing to do with it being morally wrong or not.
cedar surge
With a nova yea
gilded mason
Yes.
terse lava
It was ONI'd fault for not contacting grey team
west silo
There was still billions of innocents there
@gilded mason
Remember the unsc wanted to use it on sanghelios unfortunately it was too heavily guarded
gilded mason
Yeah, and?
terse lava
Agreed with Ostral therr
west silo
The problem with this one was the war was over
@terse lava
But bgrey team didn't know that they lost communications and there last orders were kill them
cedar surge
Cause that would make some elites mad
terse lava
That's the problem though, they should have kept waiting
west silo
They even tried to get back in contact
And even voted
That's the problem though, they should have kept waiting
@terse lava
Dude they thought humanity was gone what should they have waited for?
cedar surge
If they kept waiting wouldn't have they been killed eventually by the covenant?
Oh wait
This post war?
terse lava
Wait what did I say bot
cedar surge
Oh yea this is bad
west silo
Okay what if humanity was gone would they have been in the right then?
terse lava
You stupid bot!
west silo
Just the bot being dumb
cedar surge
Well it still would have been billions of innocent covenant
gilded mason
^
cedar surge
A tiny cut for your organs being cut out
terse lava
Let me try another way, let's say ww2 ends without the nukes dropping. The plane carrying them though never gets the memo
That would look pretty darn bad
west silo
Well it still would have been billions of innocent covenant
@cedar surge
How do we know they weren't involved in the war
gilded mason
Jeez
west silo
Well it still would have been billions of innocent covenant
@cedar surge
Billions of humans also weren't involved in the war
cedar surge
Thatwouldnt really justify it
gilded mason
It doesn't matter whether you're human or alien, dude. Killing billions is bad
west silo
Let me try another way, let's say ww2 ends without the nukes dropping. The plane carrying them though never gets the memo
@terse lava
Well thats different the nukes never needed to be used
cedar surge
If for example 1 million civilians in one country got nuked would it be fair to nuke the attacking countries citizens who didn't really have a choice in the matter?
terse lava
Dont open that box 117
west silo
Am not
I just hate when people try to use it to make humans look worse than the covenant
faint stone
well
i'm just saying that humans were the ones being wiped out
not elites lmfsao
like
gilded mason
Humans aren't special. Some are worse, some are better.
cedar surge
We are not morally supriorto the covenant really
faint stone
'oh yeah elites did that to us BUT WITH HONOUR, but er, humans are deserving tho'
yes
but
cedar surge
We done so much bad things in our history
terse lava
It's the flaw of painting stuff black and whitr
west silo
I didn't mean that
faint stone
but ONI decided to be freaks
cedar surge
Plus the covenant still had citizens
faint stone
okay
cedar surge
Not everybody was in the military
west silo
Especially when they try to make the elite sympathetic when he was also fighting in the war
cedar surge
We did
cedar surge
Long we killed billions of covenant citizens
west silo
To exterminate humanity
cedar surge
Twice
faint stone
and how many did the covies take out of humanities citizens?
cedar surge
2 thirds
gilded mason
Two wrongs don't make a right
west silo
Long we killed billions of covenant citizens
@cedar surge
3 times actually
terse lava
Another flaw with this topic. The Covenant never threw much at the humans. 2 to 5 ministries out of hundreds dealt with the war
faint stone
like hey
gilded mason
Not to mention, how many of the people murdered had a say in Covenant military strategy?
cedar surge
Wait 3 nova bombs were used?
faint stone
humans getting wiped out mkay
thats bad mkay
but its even worse mkay when humans are annoyed mkay kids
cedar surge
What?
faint stone
who what where why?
cedar surge
I don't understand what you are saying?
faint stone
tfw you're a dirty covie
gilded mason
Feels great.
west silo
Wait 3 nova bombs were used?
@cedar surge
They dropped a orbital ring on a covenant city
Its either millions or low billions