in first strike.
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
I'm not saying all the fragments were on Reach
round comet
and even if there's a new cortana, how the hell is she going to beat the real cortana aka the queen of the domain.
no one can do that.
west silo
yeah, and everything in CASTLE base was deleted.
@round comet
Isn't the entire point of shadows of reach is that there going back to castle base
versed helm
Old fragment is far more likely
west silo
and even if there's a new cortana, how the hell is she going to beat the real cortana aka the queen of the domain.
@round comet
Bro plot
round comet
what,
versed helm
No plot can cover the power gap between new Cortana and forerunner Cortana
west silo
If an enemy was truly unbeatable then what's the point
round comet
the point is to find a way to fight, but this new fragment from 2552 aint it chief.
west silo
Isn't the entire point of halo about overcoming impossible odds
versed helm
Cortana responds to emotions. Old fragment can do that
round comet
the point is to find a way to fight, but this new fragment from 2552 aint it chief.
just, tell me realistically how does this new fragment beats cortana.
"overcoming impossible odds" is not a logical explanation.
west silo
How should I know am not making the games
versed helm
Assuming that, in shadows of reach, they do find an old buried fragment of Cortana, chief uses that, old cortana finds him, recovers fragment, remembers reach, joins humans. Then chief somehow loses her during the "167 days since we lost" war, she access the ring's systems and hides in till chief finds her
west silo
Probably halo the domain or something
round comet
Assuming that, in shadows of reach, they do find an old buried fragment of Cortana, chief uses that, old cortana finds him, recovers fragment, remembers reach, joins humans. Then chief somehow loses her during the "167 days since we lost" war, she access the ring's systems and hides in till chief finds her
solid theory if your assumption thats there's a fragment is correct.
terse lava
It wouldn't be the first time an unbeatable foe was shown in halo
versed helm
Yep
terse lava
Mythos has shown there were others
round comet
does the flood count
versed helm
Yeah
terse lava
Well I don't mean the flood
versed helm
The didact would technically count. So would the warden
terse lava
Mythos outright says there were "threats" that not even forerunners or precursors could beat, only contain
versed helm
And just like that, we have plot till Halo 27
west silo
Dang the covenant was an unbeatable foe
Mythos outright says there were "threats" that not even forerunners or precursors could beat, only contain
@terse lava
Warfleet actually
terse lava
Ah thanks
round comet
Mythos outright says there were "threats" that not even forerunners or precursors could beat, only contain
yeah, hard to imagine something that the precursors couldnt beat lol
west silo
They were only contained in crystallized time
versed helm
Something extra galactic, then
west silo
yeah, hard to imagine something that the precursors couldnt beat lol
@round comet
The forerunners actually
terse lava
point does stand though, there was something out there the precursors could only contain in crystalized prisons made of time
versed helm
For a sci fi game, Halo sure has a lot of eldritch horrors
west silo
The Guardians seemed unbeatable
terse lava
At this point I wouldn't be shocked if the precursors were doing all their works in an effort to protect the universe from some nightmare realm
west silo
Then we learned that an engineer can defeat one
round comet
The Guardians seemed unbeatable
they are beatable, unsc only needs nukes and mayhaps NOVAs.
versed helm
Who all thinks that the domain houses way more than just info
west silo
It even had the minds of forerunner descendant trying to warn the forerunners about something
versed helm
I wonder what happens if you fire the rings when they're all in a straight line
Besides the death of billions
round comet
the domain is the soul and record of life’s interaction with the cosmos, the combined knowledge and wisdom of one hundred billion years.
yeah a bit more than just info
west silo
It was theorized it might go into other galaxies
terse lava
If every halo had survived to see use, it was implied to reach into intergalactic space yes.
versed helm
Wait. How many petal like arm things does.the ark have?
versed helm
I wonder what happens if you align the rings with the ark, in some way, then fire
versed helm
Oh. Yeah. Ark. My bad
west silo
The same thing that happened on legends
astral pivot
I love the dark best place in halo to go to
west silo
Every thing dies
I love the dark best place in halo to go to
@astral pivot
I thought the dark was destroyed
versed helm
The rings are all in one place. Not everyone, but a lot
astral pivot
the ark was not destroyed it was repaired after war and was operational in Halo Wars 2
versed helm
Yep. Some specific arrangement of the rings with the ark, and we probably get trans dimensional portal
west silo
the ark was not destroyed it was repaired after war and was operational in Halo Wars 2
@astral pivot
U ruined the joke
Good job app
terse lava
Nothing special would happen, just wipe out life on the ark until its brought back by the installation
versed helm
Idk. Conspirational lore.thought says otherwise
west silo
Yep. Some specific arrangement of the rings with the ark, and we probably get trans dimensional portal
@versed helm
Well slipspace is trans dimensional so
versed helm
What if the slipspace this opens leads somewhere unknown?
west silo
Then they die
It happened in slientium
The star roads made slipspace move forerunner ships into dimensions that destroyed them
versed helm
The mega array, I know. I'm saying that to work, it would probably need to be aligned in some way that would tune up the rings to bust through some dimensional barrier
terse lava
Incomplete universes if I recall. No one ever said they died there
versed helm
Its possible
terse lava
The halos cant bust through dimensional barriers
versed helm
Combined specific arrangement could tune.the pulse frequency to do that
west silo
Incomplete universes if I recall. No one ever said they died there
@terse lava
Be honest do u really think they survived?
The halos cant bust through dimensional barriers
@terse lava
Well actually the halo were theorized to be able to enter slipspace
versed helm
They do. 09 enters.
west silo
Its the reason the librarian went to earth
versed helm
Before cortana yanks it out
west silo
They do. 09 enters.
@versed helm
I meant shoot
She tricked the gravemind into bringing the star roads into real space to make sure the halos would destroy them
Remember the whole I got a cure to the flood come to earth if u want it
terse lava
I was more implying their fates may have been worse then death. As for the halos, they cant get into slipspace. Whole reason bornsteller had to wait for the largest amount possible to be in reality before firing
versed helm
You need a lot of energy to break a dimensional barrier, right? And an individual ring can generate a pulse that kills life in 1/6 of the galaxy. So, you bring them all, and the ark, together. You arrange/align them in some way, and it's possible the pulse generated then gets tuned to generate enough energy to break the dimensional barrier
terse lava
That's not how the tech works
west silo
Real tech
terse lava
And again, why the ark? Its a giant foundry and nature preserve. Nothing more
west silo
This is forerunner tech
west silo
They did theorized it just didn't have time to test it
terse lava
Faber theorized it could affect precursor tech
versed helm
Maybe you unlock a special set of directives and commands.when all the rings and the ark are together
Action specific directives have happened before
west silo
Faber theorized it could affect precursor tech
@terse lava
And it did
So he was right
About that
terse lava
About that yes
west silo
U know what's weird though
terse lava
Nothing was theorized about this topic
west silo
The star roads are just shadows in our reality according to warfleet
With the real ones being in a another dimension or something
Does that mean that halo do go into other dimensions?
versed helm
Slipspace is another dimension. Now we have other dimensions
terse lava
It just means the halos were capable of wiping out the shadows
Like the sun on an object.
west silo
Well it also said that all star roads were destroyed
terse lava
shrug
versed helm
If a single ring can generate enough energy to send a pulse across multiple dimensions, it's safe to say that all the rings together could effectively punch a hole into the other dimensions
dense pulsar
Neural science type beat
faint stone
would you consider the spirit of fire the most experienced for dealing with the flood who aren't the chief?
they encountered the flood first but in their pure forms with berserkers and others which basically infect marines instantly without needing infection forms
then again when the banished accidently released them from high charity
plus that shield world was literally filled with flood so it's an entire planet vs a few contaminated areas on the halo rings with the chief
inner basin
I would say the SoF crew is rather experienced with the Flood
stiff creek
Yeah.
karmic hemlock
gotta wonder why KILL IT WITH FIRE wasnt more prevalent like with the spirit of fire. at the end of the day, fire is a form of plasma, particularly if it burns white.
Also, question - how expensive were the micro-fusion reactors that doctor halsey developed?
inner basin
I don’t think Hard Light is plasma. I don’t know if that’s what you were meaning, but reading it back, it sounds like you’re saying it is
true snow
is hard light more effective against the flood than plasma?
because logically i would think that burning them alive would be a better option than some advanced bullets
versed helm
Im no longer banned
cedar surge
why were you banned in the first place?
versed helm
bc i said g a y
cedar surge
though i would say outright destroying the flood is better than freezing them
thats why it was snowing on the ring in CE right?
versed helm
Yea your right
versed helm
yes and no really bc they can prob handle heat as much as they can cold
faint stone
they're a parasite an infection etc
so you lower the temperature to reduce the spread
versed helm
True...
faint stone
but usually never worked because it's the flood lol
versed helm
ye So Fire the rings
cedar surge
Heat has been shown effective against the flood
faint stone
but it might have some effect on them
versed helm
or just contain them
faint stone
yeah flamethrowers literally blow them up
and well they were on delta halo
they broke out a gravemind was formed so a big ole' wall was made to contain them
versed helm
put them on a sun
faint stone
and since humans and covies entered the zone with armaments, the flood used that to their advantage
versed helm
lmao
versed helm
Yea pretty much
faint stone
like
my headcanon is that after halo 2 and during halo 3, the gravemind had the flood spread across delta halo
which is why he was in such a rush to get to the ark since that would just fire delta halo and wipe them out
versed helm
so explosive and fire can make a difference
faint stone
ye
versed helm
So i just played H3 and i forgot how fun it was to use the flamethrower
faint stone
@inner basin i was saying that plasma is very effective against the flood but hard light is even more due to the prometheans main arsenal being hard light which leaves no body behind usually
i always forget there are 2 on Cortana
cedar surge
how does hardlight does that again?
faint stone
one being near the pelican the other in the vents next to that ODST
it's a mix of kinetic and plasma
cedar surge
erasing the person from existance
faint stone
they basically just atomise the body
not sure how or why]
but since the body is atomised that means the flood can't use that body
unique rune
why not turn up the tempature and try to burn it?
I mean that works as a instantaneous solution but for long term protection of an asset that still needs to be accessible to living beings...
versed helm
The flood if the covenant and the UNSC did nothing to stop the flood would the rings be forced to be fired
cedar surge
Of course
versed helm
or the promethans would do something
cedar surge
The rings nearly fired 3 times because of flood outbreaks
The prometheans wouldn't do anything
They would just fire the rings
The prometheans would just be stuck at reqieum
faint stone
forerunners accepted their fate
karmic hemlock
trying to write a story for this b*****d of a universe. starting to REALLY HATE the inconsistent power creep of each faction - hard to write intelligently when people say "but we tried everything" which is a really lame excuse in literary works
versed helm
Bro for really advanced they enemies they sure are cowards
versed helm
Yea that is annopying
noble sedge
Power creep of each faction
versed helm
and i missed spelled annoying
cedar surge
wasn't that only really the forerunners who said that?
noble sedge
Warhammer 40k, atmire?
true snow
sup chief
cedar surge
plus what power creep did the covenant get
versed helm
Sup Chief
noble sedge
This is getting out of hand! There's now two of them!
versed helm
The more the better
true snow
playing on co-op be like
cedar surge
the covenant have usually been consitant up to its destructio
karmic hemlock
an entire flippin superstation got wrecked by the flood.
actually, might be too harsh with that. didnt high charity have a lot of civilians?
cedar surge
a overwhelming force numerically and technologically
true snow
how is hard light better than plasma for fighting the flood
versed helm
get what Chief
cedar surge
yea it did
noble sedge
My head canon for co-op is that one Chief is sucked to other universe and now must work with a second Chief to get out
cedar surge
HC had 7 billion people
faint stone
high charity was their holy city
cedar surge
the capital city
faint stone
so basically all the covenants species lived there
true snow
i mean logically burning flesh should be better than filling them up with bullets
cedar surge
long no
true snow
so how is hard light better
faint stone
well most
cedar surge
thats wrong
noble sedge
No
cedar surge
the covenant had thousands of colonies
faint stone
ik
noble sedge
Hardlight Inferior, Flamethrower Superior
cedar surge
thats absolutly wrong
karmic hemlock
technically, all you need to render a meatbag useless to the flood is to destroy the spinal cord
faint stone
but what i'm saying is that it was a collective of the SPECIES
not the entire covenant smh
i wasn't saying it was their only home lol
cedar surge
you said "most" long
karmic hemlock
im just curious why no one ordered a plasma purge or something of the sort
inner basin
i was saying that plasma is very effective against the flood but hard light is even more due to the prometheans main arsenal being hard light which leaves no body behind usually
Well from the way you typed it, you made it sound like you were saying hard light is plasma
noble sedge
@karmic hemlock Or incinirate a meatbag with a flamethrower
faint stone
grunts elites brutes prophets jakals etc
versed helm
my question is so the Covies were screwed bc they manily used plasma
cedar surge
most of the covenant does not live on high charity
cedar surge
thats only 7 billion of hundreds of billions
faint stone
not the entire population of the world
just 4 different races
who live under the same alliance
but they have colonies
all i said was high charity was a collection of the different species of covenant living together
faint stone
most of their species
faint stone
bruh
cedar surge
most of theirspecies is not at hc
faint stone
bruhx2
so which species lived in high charity who were apart of the covenant?
only grunts and elites?
or were there more covenant species lol
cedar surge
all species lived at HC
karmic hemlock
theorycraft - lightning is a form of plasma. its hotter than the surface of the sun. if the forerunners were so smart why didnt they use a metric f*ton of electricity? just sayin
cedar surge
its just that not ALL of the species did
faint stone
never said that lol
cedar surge
HC only had 7 billion long
cedar surge
that is nowhere near most
faint stone
the only species you can say had the most there were the prophets
since they went endangered
not all of the prophets
cedar surge
oh no the prophets were always the least
faint stone
just a large majority lived there
cedar surge
due to inbreeding
faint stone
they were the lowest number
but most of their species lived there
so we got like maybe a few million brutes
but compare them to the prophets living there and maybe there's less
but that's basically like a huge majority of their race
versed helm
Guys
faint stone
mainly since it was holy and the prophets came up with the faith
faint stone
the flood would've won basically?
since the forerunners are essentially against a galaxy wide threat instead of one hive we faced
so using the rings which covered the galaxy meant they all would've being wiped out
but without the rings forerunners would've lost and our galaxy would've being a big ole' flood place
karmic hemlock
question - how do the flood "starve"?
cedar surge
also goodsir back to the earlier convo yea i can see the power creep 343 gave to the unsc
faint stone
as of halo wars 2
faint stone
yeah that's where that lore came from right?
since they basically had a shield world under their control
versed helm
@faint stone im preaty sure
faint stone
wish we actually get to fight those pure forms we encountered
but for some reason we never saw the abominations
so maybe something went wrong with high charitys flood
round comet
lurks
versed helm
hello Caboose
karmic hemlock
...so they have the one thing that is supposed to be impenetrable to not only the flood, but the halo array?
thats just stupid
round comet
..
versed helm
Yea well thats that ig
karmic hemlock
i gonna get back to trying to cludge this story together. pray for me
versed helm
Ok
Good Luck
so the real question is
Why didnt the promethans fire when they first heard of the flood
versed helm
Yes and No
cedar surge
chief
versed helm
Yea
cedar surge
promethans were all at reqium
round comet
..
round comet
.
versed helm
Jesus
humble yacht
Let’s try to avoid spam
humble yacht
Read the pins
versed helm
ok
cedar surge
id the covenant technically a alliance if some were forced into it?
lethal comet
The only ones reallly forced into it were lekgolo and unggoy
versed helm
its been out for 8hrs?
noble sedge
@cedar surge No, it's called Empire
lethal comet
And Yanme'e as well possibly
noble sedge
Looking at you Rome, Great Britain and Russia
karmic hemlock
literally just saw it in my steam library
versed helm
oh
humble yacht
The lekgolo weren’t forced into it
versed helm
can halo be played on a PS4
faint stone
they were tamed by the arby
maiden crescent
@versed helm that is heresy
faint stone
before ofc one of them went all edgelord
versed helm
ok @maiden crescent
faint stone
broot
lethal comet
I'd say joining the covenant because your world is getting glassed counts as forced
faint stone
partially happened with the grunts
they joined peacefully without resistance
but then they had their rebellion
which was ceased with a glassing
lethal comet
can halo be played on a PS4
@versed helm You can use a dual shock controller
versed helm
My lil bro told me chief is a girl thats 6
cedar surge
?
noble sedge
@versed helm Maybe in another universe...
noble sedge
Linda be like:
faint stone
lol yeh
versed helm
I got a email syaing my Xbox live ran out
faint stone
that was the old theory on yt
versed helm
ot was
faint stone
then that guy who did the animations for rvb did the samus vs chief
cedar surge
so i remembered a person saying that the coventant is not a nation but more like the EU
noble sedge
Probably
versed helm
@faint stone thats odd
faint stone
the covenant aren't a nation really tbh
more of an alliancer
a galactic one at that
lethal comet
Chief certainly didnt sound girly
versed helm
Im right here
noble sedge
RWBY is such a wasted potential plotwise, but his fight animations are gems
faint stone
were
sadly he passed so i think they changed animators but kept his kit
but i remember one of the first rvb fight animations
when they're in the factory fighting agent washington
faint stone
would be doom guy lol ngl
noble sedge
DoomGuy just stomps
lethal comet
Well chief is also called a demon
cedar surge
yea that wouldn't even be a contest chief
faint stone
before he was blessed by the seph he was still fast and strong
and managed to survive hell on his own
noble sedge
You saw what BJ the 3rd did to Cyberdemon
faint stone
chief would put up a fight but once he's out of weapons and ammo
noble sedge
You saw it
faint stone
he'll be dead
versed helm
tbh ngl i have never played DOOM
faint stone
doom guy became the slayer
noble sedge
He's going to be health pińata for DoomSlayer
cedar surge
well i wouldn't really say most joined the covenant peacefully
faint stone
all because they killed his pet rabbit
noble sedge
Also he's going to befriend Cthulu or something
faint stone
elites had a war with the sanshy
cedar surge
the jackals resited before falling to the covenant
faint stone
before joining them
jackals were already space farring so they would've had like sneaky skirmishes against the covies before joining
karmic hemlock
?
versed helm
they did im sure
noble sedge
They nuked themselves back to cavebrutes
faint stone
probably sent down an arbiter to duel their chieftan
karmic hemlock
oh for gods sake, moderator, it wasnt swearing!
faint stone
and if the arby won
humble yacht
It’s a question of whether the nukes would have affected forerunner structures
With the hunters
faint stone
then they'd join the covies
cedar surge
At first, the Covenant arrived in the Kig-Yar home system with small contingent fleets. These fleets were directly attacked by ruthless Kig-Yar pirates and mercenaries, leading to a long naval war in the system.[1] Despite the sheer strength and numbers of the Covenant, the Kig-Yar used the Y'Deio system to their advantage. It was difficult for the larger Covenant ships to maneuver through Y'Deio's abnormally dense asteroid belt compared to the Kig-Yar's smaller vessels, while Kig-Yar forces could use the asteroids for hiding.[14] The war between the Covenant and Kig-Yar forces culminated in sieges of redoubts on the asteroids surrounding their world. Eventually, realizing the unlikelihood of them winning the war and the opportunity to profit from the expansion of trade, they accepted Letters of Marque: commissions from the Ministry of Tranquility to engage in the services of the Covenant, though often this was merely used as an excuse to continue their plundering lifestyle. The Kig-Yar would spend much of their time preying on the ships of the Covenant's enemies, such as humanity.
wow
faint stone
yeah
cedar surge
so the jackals never really lost to the covenant
faint stone
kig yar were already in space
cedar surge
they forced a truce
faint stone
they were just very resilient
noble sedge
Kig-Yar of the Y'Deio
faint stone
kig yar are literally roaches
noble sedge
No. They are pirates
versed helm
gtg join yhe fight c yall
faint stone
who mate
a lot
not as much as grunts
but they're a huge species
and which species were apart of the covenant when they were discovered?
just the elites and prophets?
cedar surge
oh wait is there already a new oni archives?
so is it true that most of the covenant didn't know about the war with humanity until the Schism?
noble sedge
no
faint stone
like since they're religious zealots and humans were considered 'heretical' and to them humanity started the war since we see it in first contact with johnson then the covenant would've known all about the war
it'd be pretty obvious every single member of the covenant knew about the war since humans were also on planets with major forerunner sites such as reach
but really i think sometimes when the covenant arrived they didn't know humans were on those planets since they were basically following a path of bread
since reach led them to earth from a forerunner device
dense pulsar
How did a Forerunner AI let itself get shut down by the Covenant?
cedar surge
what?
you mean MB?
they didn't shut him down
he just didn't talk for thousands of years
cedar surge
well after he revealed humans were reclaimers
faint stone
but she'd no clue bias was a forerunner ai
that makes sense
first contact was harvest
versed helm
wait. when did cortana fight MB?
faint stone
in the high charity mission
basically cortana is delaying the key ships launch
but theres a ai resisting her and trying to prevent that
that was a fragment of mendicant bias which is probably destroyed now
there were 3 fragments iirc
and all of them wanted to atone for what they did to the forerunners
cedar surge
so the Forerunners left a rampant AI all alone without having anything to check up on it?
humble yacht
no he started back up when they discovered harvest
He was disconnected after the Harvest discovery because he tried to launch from HC using the keyship
faint stone
still let the prophets know that humans were reclaimers
humble yacht
yes, which is why they subsequently went on a campaign to destroy all humans
faint stone
but bias was left on the keyship still right?
but was more 'controlled' i would say]
since lekgolo were capable of doing stuff to forerunner tech
humble yacht
i mean, you can't really remove something like that permanently
versed helm
they kinda shut him up, i think. or something similar
humble yacht
no, the lekgolo foiled him purely by chance
they chewed through the wrong wires and prevented MB from absconding with the keyship
humble yacht
they eat forerunner stuff
which is why the prophets went to war with them back in the day
cedar surge
yes
humble yacht
yes
maiden crescent
I wonder how they would look
humble yacht
they are not suitable for making combat forms, but they work just fine as biomass
cedar surge
its just that its harder for infection forms to get inside
humble yacht
they look like flood gunk on the walls
maiden crescent
...
cedar surge
but spores or flood cells can get in through the mouth or cuts
faint stone
true
only time flood cells are seen as dangerous is mainly mona lisa
when they get bitten
as well when they're trudging through the water and a small infection form latches on one of the marines legs but still manages to infect them over time
cedar surge
we have seen flood cells before
remeber the flood levels in 2 and 3?
they had flood cells in the air
humble yacht
those were spores
versed helm
yeah. flying infectors are there in HW too
cedar surge
You guys see the new jackal toys?
They look great
And I'm warning up to the brute soldier design
hard epoch
lethal comet
Certified by John halo
round comet
well we're just halo fans :)
inner basin
Reading books and looking up things on Halopedia are my main sources. I sometimes pick up obscure facts in here and on Waypoint
cedar surge
watching halo canon is also good
round comet
read the sources
halopedia for me is when i need to know something i just go in there to get a brief idea
or just for fact check
dusty prawn
We really need to update Halopedia on Legacy of Onyx stuff. It's long overdue and still hasn't been done. Kasha 'Hilot's page still completely omits her portion of that time period (after the fractures story).
If I pass my test on friday I'll type something up I guess. I have the book on my ipad so it should be pretty easy to review and reference
west silo
That's the book where the day was saved by an engineer right
cedar surge
wat
west silo
It shutdown the Guardian
bright briar
That's the one.
west silo
In onyx
cedar surge
a fully activated one?
humble yacht
Legacy of Onyx?
west silo
Yeah
cedar surge
then couldn't the unsc just airdrop engineers onto gaurdians?
humble yacht
i imagine that it was not an easy accomplisment
west silo
Nope
humble yacht
also, you'd think Cortana would notice a downed Guardian
humble yacht
what?
west silo
Bad blood
west silo
I mean a unsc ai usually controls one
When Spartacus got destroyed it just stood there
humble yacht
i'm not sure it that extends beyond that one instance
west silo
Until cortana sent a next one
humble yacht
the Guardians have their own inherent AI, they don't need an external handler
west silo
Well we barely see the Guardians in action in the post war period
humble yacht
ok so reading up on that incident on Halopedia
west silo
Its either a okay or a universe guild
humble yacht
destroying the AI Leonidas did not deactivate the Guardian
it retaliated by launched a massive attack that drained its energy temporarily
west silo
Well engineer plan it is
humble yacht
i think Cortana would figure out a way to make it so that plan didn't work a second time
west silo
I don't know engineers are crafty
Plus isn't onyx basically impenetrable
Since they can just enter the mini solar system in slipspace
And I doubt a guardian could just fly to that artificial system
humble yacht
what does that have to do with disabling guardians?
west silo
No reason
dusty prawn
The engineer put the shield world into slipspace to sever the connection with cortana, and the guardian’s AI went into a more passive self defense mode. As cortana was opening a slip space connection the huragok came up from the top side of the guardian and was able to do some fancy stuff to disable its fields that hold the pieces together. So it kinda just fell. Onyx is still in slipspace and tons of people are dead but the story ends with a bbq so they sorta won I guess.
humble yacht
@snow halo it was because of rampancy
snow halo
ok
cedar surge
So they really just escaped death and had a BBQ
faint stone
smh
'flood and forerunners are at both our back and front doors and i just wanna grill dangit' - ancient human citizen
astral pivot
anyone remember when Chief and Arbiter had some BBQ in Halo Bad Blood
faint stone
right
ima say this
i hate that their reunion is off bloody screen lol
like
fr lol
stable flower
That's what happens when the developers care more about the expanded universe.
humble yacht
lol, reunion
they weren't even friends
inb4 "but thel says they were friends in that H2A cutscene"
stable flower
MC only said one word to Arby in Halo 3: "Worst."
humble yacht
sure, they respected each other
craggy sierra
Yeah you need to actually have a relationship between characters to have a reuinion mean something
The only relationship H3 sells me on between them is Chief just being really really passive aggressive towards the arbiter
craggy sierra
There should have been a scene in there where the Arbiter's just like "So do you have something you need to say, we've been through like 15 firefights together now and you keep pretending I just don't exist"
jolly swift
so bring me up to speed, how much content do we have that takes place after Halo 5?
humble yacht
HW2, bad blood, renegades, legacy of onyx
faint stone
we're gonna be getting shadows of reach soon
versed helm
Yep
jolly swift
so bad blood is Buck again, I'm not familiar with renegades, legacy of onyx, or shadows of reach
craggy sierra
They're books
jolly swift
correct
jolly swift
did I hear we see Chief and Arbiter reunite in a book?
stable flower
did I hear we see Chief and Arbiter reunite in a book?
@jolly swift Yup. That's 343i for ya!
jolly swift
see now that's some bullhorn
versed helm
i made a server
versed helm
why
faint stone
you might be very similar to AM
cedar surge
Who?
faint stone
i have no mouth and i must sleep
controls data preserved humans and tortures them
he makes the rules and the rules are you get tortured
unique rune
That's 343i for ya!
I mean. That's... really not a 343 problem exclusively.
points at the events between CE and 2
versed helm
That's the fun part about the Halo-verse
humble yacht
What? Major conflicts taking place outside the games?
vague scroll
@faint stone the title of that story is "I have no mouth and I must scream"
inner basin
That's the
funbad part about the Halo-verse
west silo
AM?
stable flower
Killing off the Didact, getting reacquainted with Lord Hood and Arbiter, and various other things.
west silo
That's what sidestorys are for
vague scroll
@west silo AM is a artificial intelligence and antagonist in I have no mouth, and I must scream, it's got nothing to do with Halo - johns was just making a comparison
west silo
Oh
stable flower
That's what sidestorys are for
@west silo No, that's what expansion packs are for.
west silo
Eh halo has never been known to have story expansion packs
The closest thing would be Spartan ops
And that was panned leading to the creation of escalations
nimble crest
Awakening the nightmare is about as far as goes
stable flower
ODST was a planned expansion pack, but they ended up turning that into a standalone game/official retail mod.
inner basin
I really hope we get another ODST DLC whether it be in Infinite or something else. There’s just something so fascinating about getting that perspective inside the SOEIV dropping down to the surface of a planet or ring/installation
nimble crest
I really really want a more, how do I say, good spartan ops with ya know cutscenes and story
inner basin
I got you covered, Spartan Ops, but it’s actually good
inner basin
I think he means in-game cutscenes as the ones in Halo 4 (at least the MCC rendition) aren’t actually in the game
west silo
Eh true
jolly swift
I just realized
west silo
Just like how you have to leave the game in order to watch terminals
jolly swift
Do we ever hear why the Covenant is committing genocide against us in the original games?
inner basin
Well there was a line by Truth in H3 which is “Now I see why you were left behind” after Miranda’s death
But H3’s overall characterisation is quite bad and was kinda all over the place so this could just be a throw away line, and since Truth was “crazy” in Halo 3 it could be interpreted as a number of things
stable flower
Truth basically lied to the Covenant. He pulled a Darth Sidious.
west silo
Do we ever hear why the Covenant is committing genocide against us in the original games?
@jolly swift
Pt
Prophets don't want the truth of humanity to get out so they decide to genocide humanity
jolly swift
But did they say that in the games
jolly swift
A bit weird considering Bungie's attitude toward canon for the games
west silo
Games before books
jolly swift
^
versed helm
odst’s were “discontinued” when the spartan IV’s were introduced right?
inner basin
odst’s were “discontinued” when the spartan IV’s were introduced right?
No. There role was mitigated to an extent due to the S-IVs (as well as some being offered to join the program), but ODSTs do still have a role within the UNSC
stable flower
They're still used by the SOF but that's self-explainable.
cedar surge
why would odsts with a different objective than the spartans be discontinued
odsts can still be seen post war
versed helm
oh i see thanks for answering
west silo
The S4s are basically special special forces
inner basin
that cost as much as starships
Spartan-IVs haven’t been said to cost as much as starships, that was only mentioned during the discussion for creating the S-IIIs
cedar surge
along with augs6
inner basin
along with augs6
Augs are the least costly part across all the Spartan programs
cedar surge
but odsts are special not augmented forces who land behind enemy lines
west silo
Besides the air drop armor has been said to cost as much as a dropship
inner basin
but odsts are special not augmented forces who land behind enemy lines
I don’t think anyone was saying they [ODSTs] were augmented
west silo
I think he's saying that ODST wouldn't be as expensive as S4s to be replaced by them
Like you still need money
And there are only maybe a 1000 Spartans and millions of odsts
cedar surge
even after the war the spartans would still be pretty expensive so i couldn't see them replacing odsts due to numbers
plus i don't think thats the role they were made for
craggy sierra
Every iteration of Spartans has done a pretty good job at dropping the risks and costs involved significantly
stable flower
Spartan-IVs are basically a multi-purpose branch.
cedar surge
dosn't the spartan branch only have a few thousand?
west silo
Pretty much
inner basin
And there are only maybe a 1000 Spartans and millions of odsts
There definitely isn’t millions of ODSTs, but I will say that there is likely 10s of thousands of ODSTs still in service
astral pivot
theres around 500+ spartan 4s
west silo
And some have been revealed to be traitors
cedar surge
there aare four known divisions of odsts
56000
whaa\t does that have to do with this
faint stone
either way
inner basin
Keep in mind “known” divisions. There is possibly more
astral pivot
total amount of spartans were 500+ Infinity just has most due to ships misson
west silo
Just putting something out there
faint stone
alpha 9 best
inner basin
alpha 9 best
Eh. They’re not bad, but they also aren’t in my top 5 favourite ODSTs. I mean hell, they aren’t even ODSTs anymore lol
cedar surge
what about fireteam raven?
inner basin
They’re not bad either, but I will say I did care more for Alpha-9 than Fireteam Raven
astral pivot
It served as major training ground and Infinity was tasked find halo rings but found requiem and hence started Spartans Ops Events
There was training station in Halo Bad Blood and Infinity where we know the War Games Simulations are held to train spartans
inner basin
I will say this. Some of my favourite ODSTs are among Sunday 1-1. I don’t blame you for forgetting them as they weren’t featured very significantly
inner basin
Yeah
cedar surge
defense of the outer colonies?
i look how well it went for dratheus against merg vol with two IVs
it was going well before it blew up
faint stone
dont fireteam raven die?
astral pivot
yes
inner basin
I know you are talking about Spartan Assault, but it really isn’t memorable imo so everytime it’s discussed I rarely can contribute
craggy sierra
I mean them and a few other thousand people in the canon
stable flower
Raven died due to Alpha Halo blowing up
inner basin
Yeah, they weren’t infected by the Flood, just surrounded
cedar surge
hopefully
inner basin
There wouldn’t have been enough time for them to be infected
craggy sierra
I still need to beat fireteam raven but I feel like that's not happening while Covid's still around
faint stone
despicable
west silo
Its looks fun to be honest
craggy sierra
I would've said obscenely overpowered to the point where they're difficult to write for
west silo
To bad I'll never get to play it
versed helm
dam lots of spartan 4’s may have died in halo infinite since infinity was destroyed
cedar surge
sunray definitly are the most different looking odsts
we dont know if the infnity was destroyed
craggy sierra
There's no solid confirmation on the Infinity's status yet
inner basin
I prefer Sunray’s style tbh. I love Spark’s BDU the most
cedar surge
all we know is that a bunch of its compliment is dead
versed helm
my bad then i thought it was
cedar surge
its fine
stable flower
I hope Eternity appears.
cedar surge
oh yea the sister ship
west silo
Infinity vs infinity 2.0 when
craggy sierra
Bruh the Eternity is a scrap heap
inner basin
I mean even if we’re going off the complement, none of the deceased complement had the Spartan branch image
cedar surge
the infinity canabilized the eternity after escalations
west silo
Bruh the Eternity is a scrap heap
@craggy sierra
We don't know that
inner basin
Bruh the Eternity is a scrap heap
It’s partially constructed last we heard, not a scrap heap
cedar surge
so its going to be a looong time before we see it
craggy sierra
No we do.
west silo
It just said it took some parts
west silo
Probably
versed helm
wait so what do we know of the infinity in infinite
inner basin
Not likely. Don’t think she’d do something like that if the Ship isn’t a threat
cedar surge
something bad went down
then that means most of the frigates over mars and tribute are safe
cedar surge
but why
west silo
Probably upgrade it with proper forerunner stuff
cedar surge
her ships are much more powerful
west silo
Why not?
cedar surge
what would be the point
inner basin
then that means most of the frigates over mars and tribute are safe
Not really. If the ships are a threat to Cortana then she’d likely knock em out of the sky like she did over Earth
inner basin
The Eternity was still partially built (last we heard about it) so it wouldn’t really pose a threat to Cortana and her Guardians
cedar surge
well the hundreds of frigates over tribute and mars were under construction
inner basin
Oh I thought you meant ones that were already built, Lance
west silo
Hmmm yes I will activate a emp knocking out all ships in orbit to make everyone realize am the good guy
cedar surge
maybe cortana wasn't thinking crtitically when she EMP'd everything
or during the meridean massacre
west silo
I cant tell you a 1000 reasons that sun is fake
cedar surge
or the slaughter of the ambassador office of bablo
craggy sierra
I mean it's pretty easy to tell what Cortana's thinking
west silo
But not why emping a planet is a bad idea
cedar surge
so she can put everybody into medical debt
craggy sierra
Her ideaology isn't about protecting the life of individuals, it's about protecting the concept of humanity as a whole and everything that dies in her quest to disarm the galaxy she's just gonna write off as acceptable losses in the grand scheme of things
cedar surge
"death of half of humanity? Sad,but acceptable"
craggy sierra
Pretty much
west silo
Your welcome
cedar surge
don't worry
stable flower
Probably to appease to the nostalgic fanboys who don't want the UNSC on top.
west silo
The chief curse had to catch up to it some day
cedar surge
we can scrap it and use whats left for the eternity
faint stone
spirit is alive
inner basin
I’m on the fence about Infinity and I see people on both sides of the fence arguing whether it should be destroyed or not
faint stone
tbh
cedar surge
i mean yea
faint stone
the unsc being the bottom kinda is better
cedar surge
it is kinda OP
faint stone
humanity fighting against a much more powerful foe
cedar surge
but humanity gotta win sometimes
cedar surge
well actually
faint stone
yknow
faint stone
i feel like before infinity
cedar surge
which could 1v1 covenant ships
faint stone
there was a reach moment
or harvest moment
where they began winning
then more arrived and they were screwed ten folds over
craggy sierra
I mean demanding the UNSC always remain in the exact same position of power for all time is kinda like asking the universe to stagnate
stable flower
UNSC behaving like a resistance movement is getting old
faint stone
well....
cedar surge
the UNSC aint the rebel alliance
craggy sierra
And for 5 games they were on the bottom
cedar surge
and 5 on bottom
craggy sierra
Your point being?
faint stone
they were basically the most powerful force during then
cedar surge
nope
inner basin
But Humanity practically lost all of their Punics during the war, Lance (plus there were a lot more Punic-class ships than Infinity-class suoercarriers)
faint stone
but at the end of 5 they lost
cedar surge
long thats wrong
west silo
the UNSC aint the rebel alliance
@cedar surge
Sure they are and the created are the galactic empire
craggy sierra
So what's wrong with that?
cedar surge
is humanity just not allowed to win? oh
craggy sierra
The war ended, they invested into R&D in the peace time and got some fancy ships out of it while the rest of the aliens went off and had a civil war
faint stone
like
cedar surge
you know what would get old really fast?
faint stone
the entire human covie war was full of it
stable flower
The Covenant remants are Separatist holdouts basically
faint stone
reach literally made it seem to the unsc 'omg we're gon win'
west silo
The entire point of the war was losing
faint stone
then the big ole' fleet arrived
cedar surge
"well the unsc just lost for the 900th time,woohoo cant wait for our spartanns"
what
no
craggy sierra
I really don't know what you're even talking about now
cedar surge
reach was gone as soon as the covenant found it
faint stone
ik...
cedar surge
they were never "winning"
faint stone
i feel like you don't really look into this well
think of harvest right
and the opening to halo wars
cedar surge
yea the unsc got it back
faint stone
okay
cedar surge
and at what cost?
cedar surge
millions of marines
faint stone
tell me
cedar surge
yes
faint stone
think of cutters dialogue during it
breathe in and out
and remember yes
it went from winning kinda then losing
inner basin
millions of marines
I wouldn’t say millions, but they the UNSC did lose a lot of personnel and a good number of ships too
faint stone
what i'm saying is that the UNSC is basically humanity trying to survive, since they're the only fighting force they got except like a few militia
if the unsc was outright destroyed early on then the war would've being lost lol
cedar surge
it went from them losing harvest,to fighting for it bac for 5 years,to just leaving it
faint stone
1-3 is literally humanity prevailing
cedar surge
navel battle
craggy sierra
What does this have to do with the original topic of them rising to power in light of all the alien races falling into civil disarray?
inner basin
it went from them losing harvest,to fighting for it bac for 5 years,to just leaving it
They got it back, but it was already glassed anyways. Didn’t really have any other option but to leave it for the time being to fight the Covenant in other areas
cedar surge
humanity won much more on the ground
also the unsc was never winning the war
consitantly on the defence
cedar surge
yes
versed helm
If the schism hadn't happened, they would've lost
faint stone
yep
craggy sierra
idk what point you're trying to make outside of the fact you just don't like the UNSC being in a position of power after the war
inner basin
humanity won much more on the ground
Well it’s because Spartans are lethal on the ground. Everytime I think of Operation: Prometheus and Torpedo, I always think of how many Covenant the 300 Spartans killed before all (but 2 in Beta) met their demise
cedar surge
my only real problem with that is how quockly the unsc became a power
in under 4 years
the ammount of loss of life and stuctural damage
craggy sierra
idk if it's even so much the UNSC rising to power as much as everyone else fell out of power
cedar surge
it should have been at least 20 years
craggy sierra
Like almost immediately all the covenant got wrapped up in civil wars fighting among themselves
cedar surge
cept the jackals
inner basin
Except Pirate Jackals almost always get the crap end of the stick from what we heard in the post-war era
faint stone
i do like atriox's skirmisher friend
how it controlled the drones using a device similar to queen hormones i think
cedar surge
well it sounds like their home system and colonies are doing pretty good
faint stone
but tried betraying albinobroot
faint stone
then atriox arrived yeeted the skirmishers and broke the device
faint stone
basically showing atriox doesn't want to forcefully make other species join the banished
i swear
cedar surge
covenant loyalist
faint stone
they were old friends
faint stone
oh
inner basin
well it sounds like their home system and colonies are doing pretty good
Note, I said Pirate Jackals
faint stone
engineers are just artificially made
by the forerunners
that sadly got enslaved by the covies
they just live to serve and store data
faint stone
screw them
i wanna see them blow up
u getting emotions for xenos now, huh?
i have plan
send a flock of engineers to the arbiters base after the whole war is over
cedar surge
i have a feeling your just a IoM commissar in a very thin trenchcoat
faint stone
they won't have a choice
cedar surge
they could just reroute the ship to go to another system
stable flower
Doesn't Infinity have Engineers onboard?
faint stone
just pull a alien covenant move
hover over their city
and release the engineers
make it extra spicy slap nukes on them
remote detonation
stable flower
I hope they play a role in Infinite. They might help repair Infinity.
faint stone
making some elites who wanna be kind go near them
dense pulsar
Just nuke everyone you don't like it
faint stone
he gets it
stable flower
Unless the Banished killed them or made them join them.
faint stone
finally someone with a brain
dense pulsar
No one can charge you with warcrimes if they don't exist anymore
faint stone
^