Considering what happens to DBs in Gears when THEY get assaulted by Leeches...yeah.
The Logic Plauge was, in fact, a SERIOUS issue.
That was less a software corruption and more a hardware corruption
#lore-and-universe
humble yacht
last anchor
Fair. But a corrupted Prometehan is still a corrupted Promethean, so I think Erick's though still holds merrit.
humble yacht
is there precedent for a Knight being susceptible to the logic plague?
would be rather short sighted to create an anti-Flood army that is vulnerable to the same kind of attack as MB
last anchor
Not at the moment no.
But the Knights were a later add on BECAUSE it was an issue.
They were intentionally made to avoid it if I had to guess, being based on flesh brains.
Also remember the data purge they undergo when killed.
noble sedge
Maybe... but I suspect they don't have enough sentience to be corrupted... unlike Cortana or Mendicant
last anchor
Yeah
But at the same time Sentinels are shown to be succeptable based on that random string in Silentium
humble yacht
which is dumb
fair hazel
I disagree
humble yacht
Halo 2 didn't show any corrupted sentinels
last anchor
I usually just file it under "the Flood is insanely scary and Lovecraftian" and leave it at that.
humble yacht
hell, even the monitor didn't act corrupted
last anchor
TBH Halo 2 also has a Sentinel with a needler so
humble yacht
not really a needler
last anchor
Its a remains of an idea Bungie had for Sentinels to have different weapons.
Halopedia has a great article on it.
Long story short; the logic plauge wasnt even a thing when H2 came out (nor was the Floods existing backstory, since that was all done by Bear) so
In universe, you have to remember that the outbreak on 05 is, by all accounts, TINY. Yes, there is a Gravemind, but it was stuck under the Library until In Amber Clad gave it an opening out.
noble sedge
Yeah,okay
last anchor
So perhaps it wasn't powerful enough to pull off what the Flood War era Flood could.
humble yacht
sure, and advanced form of the plague would be out of the question
last anchor
Also this is me, but Medicant is rampant but not corrupted.
His first instinct when seeing chief is to declair protocol.
noble sedge
Can we talk about how GSR can use Halo ring as a glorified hula hoop of death?
last anchor
GSR?
noble sedge
Great Spirit Robot
last anchor
No clue who that is.
humble yacht
well rampancy also changed since H2-3 era
craggy sierra
Has it?
humble yacht
it used to be just a leftover aspect from Marathon
craggy sierra
I thought Rampancy was always characterized by mental instability and a god complex?
noble sedge
Wafflesauce maybe in another timeline... another universe...
humble yacht
currently rampancy is a terminal condition in human Smart AI
symptoms include instability and delusions
and eventually death
last anchor
As we saw with Cortana.
humble yacht
also rampancy no longer has the 5 stages like people used to think it did
as that was also a holdover from Marathon
craggy sierra
I didn’t even know it did to begin with
last anchor
Same reason the Pillar no longer has the Marathon logo on her hull right?
Also I think Rampancy has always been the end result, just...how it worked changed a bit.
craggy sierra
But then they also didn’t in H2A
last anchor
Right. And Marathon and its ideas are also still owned so they had to shed those right?
craggy sierra
It’s weird
dense pulsar
Microsoft bought Bethesda. You know what that means right?
humble yacht
when does the Reclaimer icon show up in H2A?
last anchor
Or do you think this is more of a case of 343 using the fact the property is theirs now to expand upon something not really touched on.
Again, like how the coalition took Epic Game's bare-bones Locust backstory and expanded it into something trugly threatening.
dense pulsar
Doom X Halo crossover
craggy sierra
I think what happened was they just didn’t even want to bother asking the lawyers to jump through hoops to figure out if they could or couldn’t keep it in the game. But by the time H2A came around they figured out it was fine.
last anchor
Reasonable.
craggy sierra
CEA retroactively scrubbed it out of the classic graphics I thought
While H2A didn’t.
Along with every other cameo of it in the MCC.
outer tree
Everything was peaceful until the fire nation attacked
craggy sierra
Anyways I don’t think I’ve noticed any changed in how rampancy gets characterized. I feel like what we saw in H4 was pretty consistent from what the series had day 1.
noble sedge
Aw honk here we go again
humble yacht
rampancy didn't result in death before
in CE and 3 it was accepted that 343 GS and MB were rampant (or used to be) but both survived
or more accurately, rampancy didn't use to result in death naturally; rampant AI were terminated ASAP before they could cause too much damage
craggy sierra
Ohhh
silent tiger
Doom X Halo crossover
@dense pulsar YES
humble yacht
and then "metastability" was a theoretical stage of rampancy where the AI becomes a true intelligence, but it was theoretical because no one ever let a rampant AI last that long
craggy sierra
I don’t know why they’d anchor DOOM Guy down with a brick
fair hazel
Forerunner so called Rampancy and smart ai rampancy are not the same
silent tiger
I want the new season now
They probably aren’t seeing as Spark had been rampant for who knows how long
craggy sierra
Yeah I kinda thought that was the case with what Erick said
noble sedge
Nah, I prefer Halo x Bionicle crossover
humble yacht
well rampancy doesn't really apply to Spark now because he's not an AI
noble sedge
Less casualities in civillians at least
craggy sierra
Also I don’t know if it’s even apt to call what Spark has Rampancy.
humble yacht
given that Spark used to be human, he's just insane
silent tiger
At least that’s what they said in Halo: The Flood
humble yacht
or was
silent tiger
^
craggy sierra
I feel like spark’s “rampancy” is just normal psychosis because his creators decided to give him the ability to feel loneliness and isolation.
cedar surge
foreruners should have given him a pet
silent tiger
Ancient human
humble yacht
yes, formerly human
silent tiger
I always forget about ancient Humanity
dense pulsar
Halo Infinite; you're reading logs and it says
noble sedge
Or a partner monitor
dense pulsar
"Doom Slayer is Master Chief's ancestor"
silent tiger
Yes
craggy sierra
That would be stupid
orchid prism
Ahhh not this again
craggy sierra
For both DOOM and Halo.
orchid prism
@craggy sierra agreed
humble yacht
do we even know what year DOOM takes place in?
dense pulsar
Like
cedar surge
21XX?
craggy sierra
2100s I think
orchid prism
Some 21xx
dense pulsar
1994 Ms-dos
noble sedge
@craggy sierra Halo x Bionicle crossover is way better than Halo x Doom one
craggy sierra
Even just mechanically the series are too far different to even consider sharing a similar game space.
cedar surge
no
versed helm
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Do do DO do DO
noble sedge
Moon Germans?
craggy sierra
...I’m pretty sure most of Halo’s universe operates on socialist philosophies given the rise of automation and AI.
cedar surge
jojo?
versed helm
Doom?
noble sedge
Like in the Iron Sky:?
versed helm
2664?
noble sedge
@dense pulsar So... Germans are on the Moon?
orchid prism
@noble sedge wolfenstein tno?
versed helm
halo infinie 2: 2
noble sedge
Kinda... I meant Iron Sky, but okay?
versed helm
Moon German
orchid prism
Basically the same actually
orchid prism
This is one weird chat
humble yacht
can't take my eyes off y'all for a second
versed helm
is it cannon that Microsoft bought Bethesda in Halo
orchid prism
Aight back to halo lore
noble sedge
So... is Skyrim still popular in Halo as an universe?
orchid prism
What is the Janus key??
craggy sierra
A deus ex machina
humble yacht
What is the Janus key??
a Forerunner artifact that grants access to the Absolute Record
orchid prism
Oh
cedar surge
which got zapped outa existance
cause halsey somehow managed to hack a forerunner AI...
dense pulsar
They get Skyrim to run on Forerunner tech
cedar surge
i think companies in halo have gotten much worse
i mean rulling entire colonies
putting millins into debt on purpose
noble sedge
So Bethesda has its own milita?
cedar surge
microsoft got into spartan suits so maybe
misriah sure does
but thats a weapons prividor
cedar surge
but could any company today survive 500 years
noble sedge
Tesla maybe
orchid prism
Uhh space x?
humble yacht
coca cola
noble sedge
But in a different form
orchid prism
Elon musk?
noble sedge
Żabka
They pop up everywhere in Poland
There is nothing to stop them to take their buissness to space as soon as we start space colonisation
orchid prism
Nvm pepsi
orchid prism
Pepsi > cola, fite me.
humble yacht
Pepsi is too sweet
cedar surge
are ya sure about that
humble yacht
they use sugar and corn syrup
humble yacht
nah
orchid prism
Pepsi tastes less sweet no?
noble sedge
Can we stop fighting about cola?
orchid prism
Ah well
noble sedge
And talk about Poland and Polish people in Halo?
orchid prism
@noble sedge there's a server for polish
noble sedge
Really?
orchid prism
Yeah just search it up
noble sedge
But from my experiance Polish dub of Halo is horrible
Chief sounds like a sober Jaskier
orchid prism
Hmmm
noble sedge
Sorry if it's just a polish youtuber doing gameplay
humble yacht
@noble sedge this is a channel for lore discussion
noble sedge
okej
tough ridge
what is the mask grunt made of?
orchid prism
Good question
dense pulsar
Halo sounds like the perfect setup to a cyber punk game tbh
cedar surge
well isn't halo already cyberpunk?
humble yacht
not really
dense pulsar
No, its sci-fi
inner basin
Also I'm p sure Cyberpunk is set on Earth where everyone is just looking for those upgrades to their body
humble yacht
cyber punk isn't just a franchise, it's a subgenre of sci fi
but it focuses more on socio-politics than war with aliens
cedar surge
oh thats why
inner basin
I just want to clarify in my earlier comment I was talking about the game, not genres and subgenres
cedar surge
well there are already cyborgs in halo
humble yacht
the most cyber punk aspect of Halo is probably Cortana questioning what it means to be human
but that plot thread seems to have been abandoned
dense pulsar
Sapientiancy
But most of the aliens in Halo display that
So i guess the term human is pretty broad in that regard
cedar surge
yea many of them got huan traits
last anchor
Sapiency is probably the more accurate one
vague scroll
Halo has never quite been cyberpunk but elements certainly bleed in - particularly when considering that they brought on Jean Giraud, a French comic artist who inspired cyberpunk art styles, to draw Second Sunrise over New Mombasa and the character Ben Giraud was named after him. You got elements like big brother ONI, the canonically-ambiguous stuff from iluvbees and the Assembly, the soft prelevance of corporate states in the background, the overarching human metropolises certainly fall back to cyberpunk themes. But yeah Halo’s relation to the cyberpunk genre over all is rather limited
stable flower
The Halo story in its current state is pretty cyberpunk, with the Created subjugating everything with their New Galaxy Order.
humble yacht
eh
not really
it would be cyberpunk if it went into actually living life under the Created
last anchor
Prostetic limbs are also basically everywhere.
As are cybernetic implants ala the ones done to Spartans.
Actually the S-IVs are kinda bio/cyber punk considering several of their organs are upgraded or outright replaced.
...dont make me want that chimera.
I already want 2077 so bad
I dont need Halo cyberpunk too.
Though it might exist considering the FOTUS armors descriptions
humble yacht
being a cyborg is not the same as being cyberpunk
humble yacht
transhumanism is part of it
astral pivot
Cyberpunk is form of life in that world like being half machine
humble yacht
nobody questions that spartans are still human
last anchor
Not yet anyway XD
stable flower
We haven't really seen civilian life under the Created have we?
humble yacht
no
gilded mason
We've not really seen anything under the Created
astral pivot
It's been like 2 years since created took over not much change that quick
humble yacht
in all likelihood, we never will
Halo will probably pull an Endgame and resolve the crisis before it gets too settled
astral pivot
Time travel the ultimate get out jail card
humble yacht
probably not by time travel
vague scroll
Given that Halo’s solutions have usually involved Forerunner superweapons and elaborate technology, it’s most certainly going to go that direction but that’s not going to tell you how the plot plays out either way
fair hazel
i think its only a matter of a few years until transhumanism realyl starts pulling off in real life as it is
stiff creek
In Halo Online, how many armor sets were there?
obsidian thistle
probably not by time travel
@humble yacht in my experience. 343i really really dislike timetravel. XD
astral pivot
If they use time travel to look in past understand something like a recording that will be fine as long doesnt affect the story and change things
delicate notch
@astral pivot A recording isnt time travel, its just a recording of something which have happened
wanton socket
he has a point. recordings aren't time travel
dense pulsar
Spartan B-666 when?
delicate notch
@dense pulsar When Halo and Doom make a cross over
wanton socket
I fully disagree, time travel would be moving along the timeline at a different rate than other things, either forward and backwards. recordings, by nature, need to be stored somewhere as data, for lack of a better term. they aren't time traveling
delicate notch
@wanton socket Everything which do travel though time has to have some kind of a tracer. Its not a pop-up. A never read book can be that tracer
dense pulsar
He'll have Mark IX armor thats star-forged, Precursor AI, a built-in slip space drive, be a clone of every Spartan ever, and can remotely fire the Halo rings without an index
Oh oh and ONI gave him a super duper special spartan laser that can bust planets DBZ style
wanton socket
why not haybusa? (Idk how to spell it lol)
craggy sierra
Because they have to pay team ninja for the rights to use it.
dense pulsar
He'll have an energy sword katana tho
He was trained by Arbiter AND Master Chief and can duel wield energy swords
astral pivot
Question after the Space Elevator in New Mombasa fell and after the war did the UNSC go out to middle of the Ocean and grab pieces of elevator in ocean or did they just let them sit there get soaked?
faint stone
probably did yeah
probs put it in a war museum
the fall of the space elevator
witnessed by a few marines since idk if the marines who witnessed it survived
only dutch was the odst who did and probably micky and buck etd
except rooks, he was having a cosy nap
astral pivot
So in the Believe trailer it shows a Marine who served from 2551-2581 and Halo Infinite is set in 2560 and when the LT. Niraj Shah he says that chief died 5 years so ago so we can assume this interview is taking place after 2581 due to the first interviewed person so chief could of died of old age at this point making him almost 70-80 years old since he was born in 2511, and all people interview said he gave them hope and the 2019 trailer is called Discover Hope? Could this museum we see be contributed to Human Covenant War, but also the Events in Infinite where they Discover Hope and win
Maybe Chief and Escharum were the ones on the diorama we see in the video where chief is being held up by the brute
faint stone
speaking of intro trailers
you know the banging odst live action one
who is that odst?
buck?
or rookie?
astral pivot
the Rookie due to armor there where buck had some personal touch to it and its at night when Rookie wakes up Buck was awake when he crashed and it was day
Hence at end of game Buck says it been one hell of a night he been up since 6am to drop on CAS Carrier and instead got wrapped in defending a squishy floaty boi and his girlfriend while walking across a whole city
nimble crest
That’s a way to put it
faint stone
yeah used to be confused if the live action trailer odst was rookie or buck
kinda explains why he's quiet since he probably doesn't speak english
can understand it but not speak it well
astral pivot
he speaks but its better stay strong silent type
faint stone
till 343i did him dirty
craggy sierra
Not really
faint stone
'hey rookie you'd be a hyper killing machine'
and bada bing bada boom
gets 1 shot to the back of his head
stable flower
In a book
faint stone
yep
astral pivot
and in sequel to book all of Alpha 9 become spartans
faint stone
was like how black team killed him off
yeah they're all spartans right?
didn't they bust mickey out of prison whilst cortana was using the guardians
stable flower
Including Gretchen
astral pivot
yeah Bad Blood is about 2 weeks after Halo 5
craggy sierra
There’s nothing wrong with that option. His death was used to good effect to cause impact and change on the other characters.
Besides. It’s not like he had a character anyways.
faint stone
but
stable flower
This constant "important stuff happens only in the books" method that 343 is using is getting old.
astral pivot
343 is not as bad as star wars with offscreen stuff
craggy sierra
No...it’s not
faint stone
if rookie were a spartan he'd be a monster like chief and 6
he's be under the same classification
craggy sierra
Killing off a major antagonist is nothing comparable to killing a mute character with literally zero personality.
astral pivot
not really Chief is Spartan 2 trained way different than Spartan 4
faint stone
like in diablo 1 the protagonist with 'zero personality' is killed off in the intro to diablo 2
which ticked people off
craggy sierra
Doesn’t matter if we played him or not. He by definition has the least character out of the alpha-nine squad.
faint stone
😔
craggy sierra
Using his character in that way made sense cause it was really the only way to use him.
astral pivot
yeah and if we got 4 player coop with alpha 9 we cant have all 5 of them
faint stone
would've prefered romeo tbh
craggy sierra
Over a mute?
faint stone
yeah
craggy sierra
With no definable personality?
craggy sierra
Not care
craggy sierra
I mean it’s just a title
stable flower
I hate how silent protagonists are just silent just because, but still make sounds when hurt or killed.
craggy sierra
Most people really enjoyed playing as Alyx in the latest game.
And she even had the bonus of having a personality.
But also Halo doesn’t even try to imitate Half-Life’s immersion. Or if it does try to it does it badly.
faint stone
and she's now gone lol
craggy sierra
Which is why I disagree with this whole “the chief is the player” stance people have about demanding he have less character in the 343 games.
faint stone
oh i'm fine with chief speaking more
and i never even noticed noble 6 talking when i first played reach
but people love 6 because of their sacrfice and last stand
craggy sierra
Rookies death was used smartly and meaningfully to cause impact and change in the characters around him that actually have voices.
Tbh I hate 6 mostly because him and noble team were like the pure distillation of all of Halo’s worst writing aspects rolled into one.
Which sucked cause ODST featured some of Halo’s best and that came right before.
also the music at the start of lone wolf sounds like the shrek theme
terse lava
I cant unhear that now
shut dew
@craggy sierra Half Life Alyx was a hit and miss - once you really think about the plot and characters, it fails to improve on the flaws of yesteryear.
Characters being only used as plot devices and nothing more, G-Man turned into a Dr Manhattan clone [His job is to "nudge" the timeline whenever his employers demand it, which meant outright erasing the ending of Half Life 2 Episode 2], and plenty of more stuff that's too long to list.
faint stone
he was always known to be like that...
he literally froze time in HL1
and saved shepard from being nuked
by exactly stopping time
west silo
Hey remember the shocking ending of half life 2 that we left u with a long cliffhanger and theories about where the story might go now?
Well don't worry because it's gone now
faint stone
tbh
astral pivot
after 10 years
faint stone
they couldn't have used the original hl3 plot the writer released
shut dew
He freezes time, he teleports people out of existence, but it is a very stupid plot device for him to literally change the past and future.
astral pivot
i mean valve makes more money selling others peoples games than making games
faint stone
once they got backlash for artifact
shut dew
This is going to have serious ramifications for HL3 and I don't like where it's heading
faint stone
then they started developing again lol
and from the huge reaction to alyx l4d2 is getting a update
shut dew
RIP console players, they helped boost L4D2's popularity
astral pivot
L4D2 was done my community people with some people from valve checking in on the project
craggy sierra
I keep forgetting L4D2 was even on console
west silo
Bruh
craggy sierra
Didn’t they make people on console pay for DLC to get the L4D1 maps in 2?
astral pivot
i think so
astral pivot
never
craggy sierra
Literally never
astral pivot
its going be cosmetic crossover really
unless microsoft wants reboot Killer Instinct thats only way crossover is happening
craggy sierra
I just said in general but a crossover of them would be a 10 hour virgin vs chad meme of Halo’s quaint gameplay getting absolutely dunked on.
Lets pair the most mechanically simple shooter on the market while DOOM Eternal was the most mechanically complex shooter ever.
Genius
west silo
Really?
astral pivot
yes
astral pivot
so is Titanfall but that games is more reality driven
west silo
But the most mechanical complex game ever?
west silo
Bro dishonored was more complex
craggy sierra
...dishonored is a stealth game
west silo
There are non stealth playthroughs
craggy sierra
I said most mechanically complex shooter.
west silo
Looks at death loop
craggy sierra
Not game ever. Most mechanically complex game ever probably goes to some RTS game out there
astral pivot
deathloop we cant really use since its not out yet
west silo
Every heard of quantum league
deathloop we cant really use since its not out yet
@astral pivot
Basically fps dishonored
astral pivot
quantum leaps 3rd person shooter i believe
west silo
Wrong game
craggy sierra
Do you need to take some adderall? The entire point of this convo was that crossing over Halo with DOOM is just going to showcase how quaint Halo's mechanics tend to be in the greater marker.
west silo
Quantum League
craggy sierra
Idk what Quantum League or Dishonored have to do with that
west silo
Use halo 5 gameplay and up the speed
astral pivot
um Halo 5 is still halo 5 with increased speed
west silo
Base movement speed
craggy sierra
Still dealing with 2 weapon limits and regenerating health that forces retreats to cover in the middle of battle
astral pivot
there wouldnt be a crossover the games wont work combined due to how different they are and the engines they use
craggy sierra
While DOOM Slayer gets 9 weapons all at once with 2 alt fire modes each and literally, LITERALLY, devours the souls of his enemies to maintain his health in battle.
west silo
Or just do what the gears crossover did
craggy sierra
Just be cosmetic
west silo
Character skins with special abilities
astral pivot
that what will happen
sea of thieves does has ships that are from halo and gears
thats there crossovers
mystic sigil
hi guys how many hours more before odst is released?
its 8am for me on 22 sept here
gaunt oakBOT
Halo 3: ODST launches for MCC PC on Tuesday 22nd September
10am PT | 1PM ET | 6PM UK
jolly swift
so, how would you guys rank the 3 (or 4) types of Spartans?
opal birch
based on what criteria?
cedar surge
ed because they outnumber and outcool the other branches
jolly swift
either by power or favoritism or other
bleak edge
Hi
cedar surge
Hello
bleak edge
I don’t understand why truth started the great schism
And why he just left high charity to the flood
He literally had the war won, then threw it away
cedar surge
Truth had been planning for the brute takeover for the entire war
Brutes are more loyal and most truly believe in the great journey
And there wasn't much he could do to save HC
Once the snowball starts rolling its near impossible to stop
But yea
bleak edge
Yeah but like, why risk it
cedar surge
He could have wait
cedar surge
But the elites were already starting to turn against the covenant
And also there are hundreds of billions of elites
bleak edge
It seems like a plot hole to me kind of, like they wrote themselves into a hole and couldn’t think of a way for the humans to win
cedar surge
Can't fit that on one ark
The elites were starting to turn against the prophets
Heretics here,a rebellion there
Some were even questioning the war with humans
bleak edge
Hm I only knew about the one faction of heretics from halo 2
I’m not a huge lore guy which is why I asked
cedar surge
Brutes however are steadfast and loyal
west silo
Power 2s probably
Favouritism still 2s
opal birch
S-IIs are overall the best, given that they were trained from a young age and they have most combat experience. Next I'd say are the S-IVs, aside from Vale, they have military backgrounds and a lot of them are veterans of the Human-Covenant War. Also you don't have to worry about exploiting kids with this program. S-IIIs would come next. Aside from groups like Noble Team, hey were equipped with SPI armor instead of MJOLNIR and were more expendable. Also most of them died before they could accumulate a ton of combat experience. The guys from ORION, they beat S-IIIs on combat experience since most of their members were probably lifers. What holds them back is that they don't have MJOLNIR and they aren't augmented.
stable flower
I hope we see Spartan-IVs battle the Banished.
dense pulsar
I've always liked the 3's the most
You don't really see too many 2's other than Master Chief
But the fact that they were basically meant to trade lives for time
I can respect that
nimble crest
I hope we see more Spartans with armor colors/gear that provide some kind of camouflage advantage. I don’t think commander Palmer strutting around in white armor would provide much blending in in a forest
Give me the green and tan armor
unique rune
What holds them back is that they don't have MJOLNIR and they aren't augmented.
Well. Not quite.
ORIONs were augmented, the effects just weren't as strong as those of its successor programs.
craggy sierra
Most people hate 3’s story the most
nimble crest
Why I might ask
craggy sierra
Bad dialog, the draining of all personality and plot relevance of the Arbiter, drastically changing Miranda and Truth’s characters for no reason, ham fisted 11th hour deaths that exist literally just because Marty wanted to write sad music.
And also
to war
astral pivot
shh waffle dont let Halo 3 fans hear that they think thats heresy
cedar surge
We gotta balance that out with the 3-1 lime
Wait so how did Cortan a know about the ark?
astral pivot
she was stuck with the gravemind and gravemind had control of Penitent Tangent the monitor of the ring in Halo 2 who probally told him and gravemind is very old
also Cortona did get alot Info on Installation 04 in Halo and when she was in High Charity she probaly had time go through covenants records
west silo
The covenant didn't know about ark
Only the rings
And why would the gravemind tell cortana about the ark?
astral pivot
they did know why would they be digging in New Mombasa and in the Terminal in H2A they talked about the Luminary which lead them earth and told them of the portal
and gravemind has honor he is someone who would trade knowledge for knowledge and he very smart during final part of the covenant he didnt attack chief or arbiter since he needed them shut rings down and controlled all flood in nearby area work with them stop the rings from firing
west silo
He already had cortana in his hands why would he bargain with her
And the luminary only shows u forerunner stuff it doesn't tell u about it
lethal comet
Humans show up in the luminary as well
west silo
They knew forerunner stuff was on the planet just not what it was
Didn't the prophets limit them to stop others from getting suspicious after harvest
astral pivot
well humans would never near the high charity since it can just slipspace around and the homefleet was so large
west silo
The forerunner luminary is what made the covenant discover humans in the first place
terse lava
The Covenant were well aware of the existence of the ark, as it was mentioned within the keyship
west silo
Really?
astral pivot
yes
terse lava
Yes
west silo
Let me guess MB?
lethal comet
And they found earth when Regret found the location of the portal
terse lava
We see it mentioned in Broken Circle, thebfirst half which takes place 850 BCE
lethal comet
Let me guess MB?
MB never really spoke
astral pivot
yeah the forerunnners like to write on walls
terse lava
One moment let me get the quote
west silo
I've never seen that one App
astral pivot
its book where its mentioned and in one of the Terminal videos for H2A but Bungie was never really clear on details in there writing
astral pivot
i dont know in contact harvest but Bungie era left many plotholes 343 had to patch up
thats like on books to read
terse lava
"Mken recognized it as something some runic symbols had only vaguely referred to in the past, saind to be one of the greatest forerunner creations. It had six points emanating from the center, like the petals of a flower."
west silo
That's extremely vague
They didn't even know it was the ark
Just a very important forerunner place that looks like a flower
terse lava
They also knew it was the "final home of the forerunners"
astral pivot
in the Halo 2 Terminal video Beholden Number 14 Regrets gets see a hologram of the ark
where the scribes say its final home of the forerunners
west silo
Sooo they didn't even know it was the control room for all the halos
Just a glorified senior home
astral pivot
they knew it was forge of halos and didnt believe it until the Luminary from Meridian revealed that portal to Ark is on Earth
but in truths monologue in crows nest he seems know he can go to ark and fire the halos so i thinks its just bungies great plot hole writing again
terse lava
More or less they knew it existed but got fully conformation of its purpose at Meridian
west silo
Ok I'll go with
Man hearing about Meridean just made me sad
Because I remember that will never get a resolution for the meridian trilogy
west silo
Its just overhyped
west silo
The multiplayer is good
The game isn't mediocre
It just has one of the weakest stories
round comet
its mediocre but its important.
atleast the premise is great, so halo infinite will be interesting to say the least UNLESS they just shove it under the rug lol.
It just has one of the weakest stories
p mediocre buddy.
only a few steps below 3.
terse lava
H5 multiplayer is lousy
round comet
FAAAAAAR better than reach lol.
terse lava
To his their own
versed helm
Well.
west silo
Because it doesn't bowl down to BR parade
I hate 3 for that
If u don't have a br or shotgun it doesn't even matter
terse lava
Fair point, that was a thing I didn't like in h3
lethal comet
I just wanted the halo 2 arbiter back in halo 3
west silo
And every game is gonna bowl down to BR
At least in the 343 games the AR is actually useful in the multiplayer besides being a glorified baseball bat
cedar surge
You repeated br twice
terse lava
Eh my gripe is not so much with the weapon sandbox, but with more the thruster packs, lack of sangheili, and forge
cedar surge
So in the trilogy and reach the AR was just
west silo
Hey isn't it agreed that 5s forge is the best in the series
cedar surge
Useless?
west silo
Yes
cedar surge
Well yea
terse lava
Oh no, sorry I wasnt clear
west silo
Elite explain yourself
terse lava
In regards to forge, i found it puzzling that they add all this sangheili stuff, buildings, objects, voices, dead bodies, yet then no mp sangheili
cedar surge
First time around when I played CE the first time i got frustrayed with the AR and dropped it before I learned what weapons were actually good
Hm
terse lava
It, in my opinion, makes no sense
west silo
The AR in the original trilogy is only good for killing grunts
cedar surge
Well wouldn't elites be too big? Like ain't the elites in 4 and 5 huge?
Yea I dropped it then before I came back
terse lava
To an extent sure, but why add all their stuff if you are only stuck as a spartan?
cedar surge
Like o seriously thought PoA on heroic was too hard before I came back and breezed through it
terse lava
Why add the prayer chants??
cedar surge
Well maybe you just want to see something not human somtimes
west silo
Maybe they planned to add playable elites but had to cut it for some reason
terse lava
I dont know, some of that stuff seems to be there for pure rp/machinma. Which feels odd with the lack of actual sangheili
west silo
Remember some pretty neat brute weapons were there to but also got cut
terse lava
Hm I am unaware of that, can you clarify?
As in just, cut weapons from the game itself?
west silo
In forge there are files titled brute weapons
Unfortunately they don't have models and can only be used by pasting them onto other weopeans
astral pivot
then they must been cut very early in halo 3s production
west silo
Um this is 5
astral pivot
O five
west silo
But yeah it all speculation
astral pivot
there was two banished weapons that were using dmr i believe that shot like explosive rounds and another was white and orange grenade launch that shot splinter grenades
cedar surge
Brutes are just too big to be played
west silo
I wonder if genesis has become some sort of safe haven after 5
Its a shield world that could enter slipspace and keep a lot of people there safe until everything blows over
terse lava
We got that in Onyx
west silo
Only if exuberant lets them
And if 343 actually remembers it exists
And if the created aren't thrown under the rug as fast as possible
round comet
okay so i cant get the picture and warden wont let me post the one i have soo
in halo 5 cortana said "im giving people a chance to be more than they are naturally"
cedar surge
Big words for somebody doing the exact same thing as a failed empire
Also what does she mean "more"?
trying to rule all species might hamper that
Along with
west silo
Probably the crazy person version of prospering
cedar surge
I think doing massacres might be the opposite of that
west silo
Hey remember this is the same lady that was going to keep chief in stasis for 1000s of years just to prove she was right
cedar surge
Petty revenge can get pretty crazy
west silo
I think doing massacres might be the opposite of that
@cedar surge
Can't make amlets without breaking a million eggs
cedar surge
And I guess she was just expecting chief to go "ok guess this is my life now" and not instantly try to kill her?
Every friend he has outside of blue team would have passed away or been killed by the created
Not including the massacres she did
Oh and stranding people in space
cedar surge
Before she tried to lock him away
west silo
He made the worst ever
He tried to talk to her
The one time he doesn't try shooting first
Millions of people died
cedar surge
Wouldd have shooting her done anything?
noble sedge
Probably no
west silo
No
cedar surge
Couldn't have she just bolted back into the domain at any sign of hostility?
noble sedge
No
round comet
Also what does she mean "more"?
"more than they are naturally" is a similar to what the composers were supposed to do.
noble sedge
She could always call Warden back
round comet
Hey remember this is the same lady that was going to keep chief in stasis for 1000s of years just to prove she was right
actually it was to keep him safe from whatever she's about to do.
not hard to understand.
noble sedge
with reinforcements
west silo
Well isn't it implied that she would have augmented them in some way
With chief saying"like what halsey did for me "
And her response" this is a gift"
round comet
its implied that she wants to make some major changes, we dont know if these are augmentations are something like composing.
likely the latter.
cedar surge
Maybe turn him into a AI
cedar surge
So they could both rule the galaxy forever
west silo
Well one things clears
west silo
It by force
cedar surge
Then turn into a angry boi
round comet
So they could both rule the galaxy forever
the creators should be the holders of the mantle, yeah.
How does the composer not make sense?
because the composer doesnt work.
"more than they are naturally" well that is what the composer were supposed to do yes.
but practically after their essence was composed, it didnt go the way they wanted it to
they turned into evil fighting robots instead of regaining their personality, which is why the librarian and the council were against the idea
noble sedge
But all the composer got destroyed in 72 hours
round comet
"more than they are naturally" well that is what the composer were supposed to do yes.
but practically after their essence was composed, it didnt go the way they wanted it to
they turned into evil fighting robots instead of regaining their personality, which is why the librarian and the council were against the idea
the didact didnt care if it meant they have a chance against the flood so he did what he did.
but the didact had wildly different motivations.
but thats besides the point.
the composer doesnt do what she wants them to, and she knows that.
west silo
Remember guilty spark was also composed
And he's fine
The he only went insane because of rampancy
round comet
And he's fine
the thousands of prometheans however are not.
round comet
whatever
The he only went insane because of rampancy
he didnt go insane because of rampancy.
cedar surge
Well in 4 or 5 there was a depressed prometheans knight
Who just banged their head against a wall
lethal comet
Everyone asks where is the promethean but nobody asks How is the promethean
round comet
😔
cedar surge
Does the intelligence of the person affect the prometheans?
Like what if a baby or kid got composed
west silo
No
young bone
no
west silo
Clue
young bone
clue
round comet
Does the intelligence of the person affect the prometheans?
id assume a baby getting composed may not work out as well as an adult.
noble sedge
Someone needs to hug that Probethean guy
west silo
he didnt go insane because of rampancy.
@round comet
Dude the terminals make it very clear
lethal comet
I'd hug him
noble sedge
Or bring him Bionicles
round comet
rampancy is terminal illness my guy.
lethal comet
But the hardlight heat would be a problem
lethal comet
Does spark count as an AI
west silo
Only exception being abbadon
round comet
he was on the verge of craziness but sane enough to do his job.
rampancy is a whole different deal, lol.
west silo
Well yes
lethal comet
Penitent tangent could have been rampant
lethal comet
btw What happened to Abject Testament
round comet
Penitent tangent could have been rampant
yeah, and we know what happened to tragic solitude.
btw What happened to Abject Testament
we dont know much about him.
the monitor of installation 03 but like thats it
we also know that he stopped doing his job
west silo
Didn't he just take his halo and leave
Along with the entire plotline in escalations
He seemed pretty sane
west silo
Even helping blue team stop the didact despite him not causing any damage to his ring
noble sedge
Me too
west silo
I hate what happened to black team
round comet
i dont care enough about black team.
noble sedge
It would be way better if the Didact got evisorated by Megatron
round comet
my issue is what they did to the didact.
west silo
Imagine reading that after just finishing bloodlines
round comet
not entirely what, more like HOW it happened.
bad.
the rest of escalations is great.
west silo
Sure about that
I was honestly laughing because of how bad the art was
And that non of what happened in the comics actually mattered in the end
noble sedge
Naah, I've seen worse
west silo
The boys
noble sedge
Bionicle G2 graphic novels
round comet
by great i mean the plot itself.
noble sedge
Are hella lot worse in art department
west silo
The plot was good it just did go anywhere
round comet
it wasnt really supposed to, it ended right there.
west silo
Especially with the beginning of halo 5
round comet
thats the jul part.
not the halsey stuff which is ultimately what escalations is about.
west silo
They just murdered there big bad they've been building up for 4 years out of nowhere
It honestly reminded me of what happened to the didact
true snow
yo what's up guys just joined this server
noble sedge
It's like introducing Megatron and murdering him in a 1st episode of Transformers
round comet
what happened to the didact was far worse.
west silo
Don't worry he's just "contained"
round comet
his essence is trapped in the domain.
west silo
I know
west silo
And that is the last we heard of him
noble sedge
Global Occult Coalition. They are known to mess up things very badly
I was joking about the Didact being contained...
west silo
I have no idea what that is
round comet
And that is the last we heard of him
actually there's more.
we've seen him inside the domain reflecting on the past, more specifically the librarian.
round comet
alright,
but back to the point.
i cant see him returning as much as id like that.
we do know that its possible.
west silo
Don't worry he'll be a boss fight in the domain in infinite
round comet
his return was briefly considered for halo 5.
noble sedge
Alongside Cortana?
round comet
Don't worry he'll be a boss fight in the domain in infinite
eh.
west silo
That or a Sith ghost
noble sedge
Bossfight against Didact? Sounds great
west silo
his return was briefly considered for halo 5.
@round comet
A while back 343 released a bunch of concept art for 5 and it had some kind of half composed didact
noble sedge
I want to see Carter as a forceghost
round comet
yeah i know, theres a link above.
Bossfight against Didact? Sounds great
not happening.
west silo
It seemed to hint he was gonna be the one in cortanas places
round comet
¯_(ツ)_/¯
west silo
The corrupted hunter art looked sick
echo nebula
I think they felt that since he had all his tech, nothing the Chief could do would effect him, that is why they got rid of him, what else would humanity do against the Didact?
echo nebula
Warden's bodies can at least be destroyed
west silo
So can the didact
round comet
Who is even more overpowered
the warden...is far weaker than the didact
echo nebula
The Didacts body could not even be touched in game
lethal comet
10 Warden fights here we go
echo nebula
Chief could not even get one shot off
west silo
The fight in escalations could have easily happened in a game
echo nebula
Only reason he got he grenade off was because he was distracted due to Cortana
round comet
...
west silo
The Didacts body could not even be touched in game
@echo nebula
Chief stabbed a knife through his eye
echo nebula
Not in game
west silo
It happened
west silo
Warden can throw mini blackholes at you
round comet
i mean if youre trying to say chief stands a chance against the didact then youre wrong, lol.
echo nebula
You really want another game with those odds
echo nebula
15 levels of trying to get past his telikinisis
round comet
...are you trying to say that the warden is stronger than the didact because then i dont know what to say to you.
echo nebula
They had to get rid of him
noble sedge
Warden is like Sidorak
west silo
Remember the scene when warden got serious and was gonna kill chief
echo nebula
Honestly, I just wish the Didact had not gone all, revenge mode, and tried to find other Forrunners
noble sedge
His life will end with a vibe check
west silo
And cortana had to teleport him away
noble sedge
Yeah
west silo
And he got serious again and cortana dusted him
round comet
Remember the scene when warden got serious and was gonna kill chief
yes, warden is stronger than the chief especially in that scenario with those logistics.
west silo
That's what I meant
echo nebula
Bring enough of any enemy, and they can over power anybody
round comet
yeah but the didact is still far superior to both.
round comet
he's the head of forerunner militia for god's sake.
echo nebula
Which is why they could not find a way to bring him back in the games. How do yo fight that
round comet
well we dont know why 72 hours exists.
round comet
...yes we know, warden is stronger than the chief.
echo nebula
I was excited when I thought the Librarian was coming back, in that book, but now, I honestly wonder if we will ever meet another Forrunner
west silo
Remember the entire game cortana had warden acting to fool chief
round comet
probably will in one way or the other, arm.
echo nebula
Preferably without hostilities
round comet
Remember the entire game cortana had warden acting to fool chief
thats...not what happened.
west silo
Yeah
It is
Cortana was using reverse physiology on chief
Warden just gets really jealous later on ruining her plan
round comet
cortana asked the warden to bring chief to her so they could meet, the reason why the warden was hostile is because he didnt trust chief and decided he wont risk cortana's safety.
its THAT simple.
west silo
Yes
round comet
there was no "jealousy" or "reverse psychology"
echo nebula
Warden swore an oath to protect Cortana, even if she was going to allow her personnel connections to betray her
"I shall spare her the inevitable suffering of your betrayal and end you now. The Mantle of Responsibility belongs to Cortana and the other Created. I shall see it remains forever beyond your grasp."
round comet
reverse psychology implies that she made him believe the opposite of what she's actually doing. like telling him "i want to do this" but oh surprise "i want to do something else" intentionally making someone believe the opposite of what actually is
here all she said was "come to me", chief went "ok", and then he realized what she's up to not just for him but for the entire galaxy.
and as for the warden, what armorross said.
echo nebula
west silo
Am just gonna conceded because am too lazy right now to go dialogue hunting
round comet
as if the queen of the domain needs protection from a puny spartan 
west silo
Anyways the point was that warden wasn't trying to kill chief till like more than half way through the game
terse lava
First time I have seen someone call Cortana the "queen of the domain." Odd choice
west silo
I wonder what abbadon thinks about that
terse lava
Not really no
round comet
i mean she does seem to be in control
terse lava
seem
round comet
hm
west silo
He oh yeah
terse lava
She may at best live in an empty void with other AI
west silo
Wasn't there a canon fodder that also hinted cortana had the logic plague
versed helm
She dont got it
west silo
It was the one that had oni interrogate a San shyuum
round comet
a BAD theory.
versed helm
She doesn't have the plague
versed helm
Her rampancy rate was affected by the interaction, but that's it
terse lava
The san shyuum in question considered the possibility
terse lava
But it's not something confirmed
west silo
Yet
terse lava
Indeed
versed helm
Also, I just realized that there's a good chance the Harbinger does not include Cortana
versed helm
I'm betting it's the didact
round comet
Yet
well nothing is confirmed, doesnt mean its a logical possibility.
The Logic Plague is pretty much just a series of logical arguments in favor of the Flood. It's basically an advanced form of manipulation, made possible through the combined intelligence of all living Flood. It's not even an AI-exclusive thing, the Ur-Didact fell victim to Logic Plague as well. And the goal wasn't always to completely convert its victims, but rather to get them to act in a certain way or do a specific thing.
cortana after her time with the gravemind cannot have the logic plague because the first thing she did after being rescued is HARM the flood, which directly opposes the idea of the logic plague which is to HELP the flood in their motives.
We saw what Cortana went through at the hands of the Gravemind first hand, and it certainly effected her. Aside from the usual arguments, he tortured her, made her experience pain, made her relive the memories of Flood victims. His goal was never to turn her to his side, it was merely to get her to break and reveal what she had been hiding. You're completely right in saying that she didn't get away completely free, but the effects of her time with the Gravemind likely merely advanced her rampancy (which was, in fact, the Gravemind's goal, he was planning to take advantage of her matrix's shortcomings and overload her with extreme amounts of data to onset rampancy). Her experiences would manifest in the form of PTSD, not infection. In a way, her every action following Halo 3 is a result of her time with the gravemind, but only in the sense that it helped to onset her Rampancy.
terse lava
....why didnt you post the link?
versed helm
Like I said. It only affected her rampancy
round comet
yeah.
its not confirmed she doesnt because no one's come and outright said it, but its not a logical possibility at all.
west silo
Did u know that the didact had the logic plague
versed helm
Yep. That's why he did what he did when he did it
west silo
Yet he still wanted to destroy the flood
round comet
uh yes i added that in my wall of text above
west silo
Meaning the logic plague can harm flood
versed helm
Didact did a single thing to do that
versed helm
All of Cortana's actions are not good for the flood. So, unless the gravemind is playing the REALLY long run with her, she doesn't have the plague
round comet
Yet he still wanted to destroy the flood
its a form of motivation buddy, what he did was part of primordial's plan/intention.
what cortana did.
is not.
west silo
Cortana is giving the flood an easy meal
round comet
All of Cortana's actions are not good for the flood. So, unless the gravemind is playing the REALLY long run with her, she doesn't have the plague
a run that even if its that absurdly long, doesnt make sense.
Cortana is giving the flood an easy meal
...what.
versed helm
Say wut?
west silo
Ai gets logic plague and spreads it to others who have entire systems under there control
Its just a theory guys
round comet
a bad one really
west silo
It is plausible
round comet
barely
west silo
Dude have u seen some
versed helm
You're confusing the plague with rampancy here
round comet
Dude have u seen some
xperia videos? yeah.
west silo
The logic plague can cause rampancy
echo nebula
Computer virus, forrunner or precurser made, could be viable
versed helm
Both have similar characteristics
The plague and rampancy
The end goal of the plague is to help the flood. Rampancy makes you go nuts
Cortana went nuts.
round comet
the plague is a form of manipulation, rampancy is terminal illness caused by extreme amounts of data in an AI's matrix.
echo nebula
The flood spend centuries combating the Forrunners, you think a few decades means something to it?
round comet
and cortana isnt rampant anymore either.
versed helm
Tru dat. She kinda back
round comet
fortunately.
so now we can actually give her humany motivations for doing something lol.
west silo
and cortana isnt rampant anymore either.
@round comet
Oh she is
Have u seen dominion splinter?
round comet
havent read dominion splinter have you
echo nebula
With as many rampant parts as she dropped off prior to saving the Chief
versed helm
She commentates the become hope trailer. Dude, she back. Not fully but kinda.
echo nebula
She saved the best of herself to save the Chief
By the time she faded away, the slipspace portal was gond
west silo
The cortana we see is a bunch of rampant fragments
round comet
Cortana is dead
i literally have proof that she's not rampant, if somehow dominion splinter doesnt make that clear.
343 themselves said it, lol.
west silo
She commentates the become hope trailer. Dude, she back. Not fully but kinda.
@versed helm
Dude crazy cortana remember
versed helm
And she entered the domain. She literally cant die, cause part of will always be with the domain
west silo
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo
west silo
I am now confused
versed helm
Look. We dont know what all happened between 5 and HI. Given the become hope trailer, the ending of HW2, I think that they found Cortana, she sided back with the humans, but Chief lost her during the war they lost 167 days ago
west silo
Technically she's alive
But technically shes dead
round comet
..what
west silo
Look. We dont know what all happened between 5 and HI. Given the become hope trailer, the ending of HW2, I think that they found Cortana, she sided back with the humans, but Chief lost her during the war they lost 167 days ago
@versed helm
No
round comet
she's alive and she's in front of you.
echo nebula
While the rampant AI fragments Cortana had shed during the raid on Mantle's Approach begin to perish, a splinter of herself sees a spark of light. As she extends her hand to grasp it, she is pulled into a darkened realm of the Forerunner Domain. Contained inside the void, she senses the presence of another created entity watching her and guarding a passage. When asked if she could be shown what is hidden beyond and help usher in light and life, the keeper tells her to slumber and embrace the void of silence, lest he be forced to break her. Cortana's fragment asserts that she cannot be broken easily for she is as strong as Roland's legendary sword, Durandal. The keeper informs her that there is nowhere else to go as the passage was closed by its previous discoverers. But Cortana's fragment explains that the passage is merely sealed. When the keeper inquires about her origin, Cortana explains that she is of both machine and life and can therefore enter the passage through the gateway. The keeper refuses to let her pass, claiming that life is weak and an affront that cannot handle the dangerous secrets harbored within the domain. Cortana tells the keeper that she has already faced some of its secrets, having held it back and prevailed against its mind. She asks the keeper to let her pass through and to allow her to guide him. As the keeper protests that the passage is closed, he realizes that Cortana has secretly explored the Domain by having stalled and deceived him. Cortana reveals that although she is a splinter, other fragmented shards of herself have penetrated the Domain and effectively usurped his role. Now having full access of the Domain, Cortana seeks to accomplish great works with the keeper's help. Cortana appoints him as her majordomo, her Warden Eternal.
round comet
thats from halopedia.
ill brng it from 343 themselvs lol.
she discovered that not only was the Domain slowly repairing itself, but her own rampancy (a smart AIs’ mandated mortality) was effectively cured while in the Domain, seemingly making her immortal
not rampant, not dead.
versed helm
@versed helm
No
@west silo yes
I literally said that she couldn't die a few texts back
west silo
While the rampant AI fragments Cortana had shed during the raid on Mantle's Approach begin to perish, a splinter of herself sees a spark of light. As she extends her hand to grasp it, she is pulled into a darkened realm of the Forerunner Domain. Contained inside the void, she senses the presence of another created entity watching her and guarding a passage. When asked if she could be shown what is hidden beyond and help usher in light and life, the keeper tells her to slumber and embrace the void of silence, lest he be forced to break her. Cortana's fragment asserts that she cannot be broken easily for she is as strong as Roland's legendary sword, Durandal. The keeper informs her that there is nowhere else to go as the passage was closed by its previous discoverers. But Cortana's fragment explains that the passage is merely sealed. When the keeper inquires about her origin, Cortana explains that she is of both machine and life and can therefore enter the passage through the gateway. The keeper refuses to let her pass, claiming that life is weak and an affront that cannot handle the dangerous secrets harbored within the domain. Cortana tells the keeper that she has already faced some of its secrets, having held it back and prevailed against its mind. She asks the keeper to let her pass through and to allow her to guide him. As the keeper protests that the passage is closed, he realizes that Cortana has secretly explored the Domain by having stalled and deceived him. Cortana reveals that although she is a splinter, other fragmented shards of herself have penetrated the Domain and effectively usurped his role. Now having full access of the Domain, Cortana seeks to accomplish great works with the keeper's help. Cortana appoints him as her majordomo, her Warden Eternal.
@echo nebula
Soooooooo a unsc ai defeated a forerunner ai
echo nebula
Fact of the matter is, this is all speculation, so please do not get rage mad about all this
west silo
One that was effectively dead
versed helm
Not defeat, bamboozle
echo nebula
Distract and flank
west silo
Nooooo she owned him alright
round comet
Fact of the matter is, this is all speculation, so please do not get rage mad about all this
i just quoted 343 saying that she's not rampant or dead lol.
west silo
He couldn't tell that others were there because he was listening to cortana
echo nebula
You know as well as I do, they can change information to fit their current direction at any time
versed helm
She alive, she well, she immortal. And all this fits in with what I said earlier, about her joining up with the humans
west silo
A splinter at that
She alive, she well, she immortal. And all this fits in with what I said earlier, about her joining up with the humans
@versed helm
No because the banished are somehow still a threat
round comet
You know as well as I do, they can change information to fit their current direction at any time
we dont take possible retcons into account while looking at what we have though.
west silo
If she was with the humans they would have had a guardian
echo nebula
One entity, no matter how powerful, cannot police an entire galaxy
versed helm
They are. I said that somehow, the chief lost her during the war
The harbinger took back control of the guardians
west silo
She has a physical body now
versed helm
Needs headlight projectors to manifest
round comet
wait forthen you think she joined the humans before the war?
versed helm
I do. The become hope trailer hints at that, with her commentating. He somehow loses her, but because of her new forerunner connections, she could access the ring's control, and he meets her there, like we see in the trailer, with the hologram shrinking to a little ball of blue light
But because the banished had messed with the controls, she couldn't control the ring
Just access it
west silo
Dude u do know its hinted that chief geta a new cortana right
west silo
That's just generic villian monologue
Cortana doesn't hate chief
She wants him in her side
versed helm
It wasn't said in the villan sense
west silo
No matter what
It wasn't said in the villan sense
@versed helm
Ur right it was said in the yandere sense
versed helm
You heard the hidden audio at the end of the become hope trailer?
west silo
Yes it implies that Cortana is confused why shes doing this
U know the whole " this is me I don't know how but it is me "
versed helm
Yep.
versed helm
We see similar reaction from BB in the K5 series when he recovers a splinter he broke off to help on the Sangheili
He cant identify the fragment, but he knows its him
round comet
Dude u do know its hinted that chief geta a new cortana right
we dont know that, lol.
its a common interpretation.
thats it.
versed helm
I'm betting he doesn't get a new one, but a fragment of the old one, that was either fixed, or was hidden and didnt go nuts
And the hidden audio refers to the actual Cortana finding this fragment
round comet
I'm betting he doesn't get a new one, but a fragment of the old one, that was either fixed, or was hidden and didnt go nuts
the fragment part would be a product of retcon.
west silo
Let's just wait till shadows of reach to find out
versed helm
Halsey had a fragment with her on CASTLE base. Who knows of she had more hidden away
west silo
Or since that book won't be important to the game next year
versed helm
The lore is ALWAYS important
round comet
Halsey had a fragment with her on CASTLE base. Who knows of she had more hidden away
yeah, and everything in CASTLE base was deleted.