Pretty sure if u get all the terminals u kill him
#lore-and-universe
west silo
nimble crest
You do it’s just a different cop
nimble crest
Nope
dense pulsar
PoV: You're a security officer aboard a ship but the ship's AI has gone rampant
nimble crest
But
It was a different cop on the other side of town with a different objective in a different time frame
west silo
He had a checkpoint
versed helm
POV: You’re penting up a big, grunty th-
west silo
Woah
nimble crest
Bruh
nimble crest
An entire game streched out and it’s just the cringy intercourse scene in contact harvest
cedar surge
Oh yea didn't that intercourse scene come out a nowhere?
humble yacht
Let’s not
west silo
It just felt wrong
dense pulsar
I thought everyone in Halo was incapable of those types of emotions
nimble crest
Yeah
cedar surge
So How long do you think until plasma weapons become as common in the unsc as projectile weapons?
craggy sierra
Probably never.
west silo
The unsc probably wouldn't make it common
craggy sierra
They succeed at doing different things but for the most part bullets seem to be infinitely more usable.
And also less risk of burning off your own hand
cedar surge
Yea projectiles seem way more
Interchangeable?
Useful
Yea plaama you can't make plasma do many different thinys
Unless the covenant can
Like the only real outlier I think is the beam rifle and focus canon
Since they don't shoot blobs of plasma
unique rune
Conventional projectiles operate on tried and tested principles that've served the UNSC and the rest of humanity well for centuries
It seems unlikely to me that directed energy weapons would ever become the UNSC's mainstay because the power requirements alone would be so inconvenient
Just look at the Spartan laser
craggy sierra
In canon plasma is meant to be good at armour and anti-vehicle. It’s not really shown as doing that in-game outside of the overcharge plasma pistol.
cedar surge
Well also
There is the thing that
You can see where the blob was shot from
It would even be worse during the dark because then the unsc could just retrace the shots so easily
Would be even worse for jackal snipers since unsc snipers could just trace the beam and take the shot
But in certain places plasma would be more useful
Lole taking down some shields like that mission in HW
So when covenant guns release excess plasma
So is most of the jobs in the covenant working for the military?
astral pivot
no there is trading company's, vehicles company's, weapons foundry's, and high charity is a full on city witch all species living there serving other roles, the covenant have colonies and trade with species such as ones who live on fringe its just that they were at war with humans for over 30s years so most people worked for war effort
if one of Halo Legends Shorts with The Arbiter we see as training academy where elites learn to become soldiers and we see his wife living normal life in village
west silo
There are even species that are part of the covenant and have no involvement in the military what so ever
astral pivot
the yonhet are big one we see them in halo nightfall and we find out they trade with remnants of covenant and some people in outer worlds
the elites trusted the yonhet more than jackals as there trust worthy
west silo
I am honestly surprised they have there own successful auctions on human worlds
Guess no matter where u go u just can't beat the space bankers
astral pivot
well worlds after war many glass mining compaines came and made bank
west silo
Yep the true enemies of halo were the bankers all a long
astral pivot
the UNSC just handed contracts out for so much like 7 companies made spartan armor they handed out like hotcakes
gilded mason
The UNSC contracted out companies to make armor, yes.
west silo
Like weapons companies right
gilded mason
Yeah
unique rune
Pretty much
west silo
Because that would make sense
gilded mason
Though corporations are now making their own 'Spartans'
west silo
I was thinking the mining company on Meridean
Because they made a big deal about them having a tank but Spartan armor is free game
unique rune
Yeah, nah, not companies like Liang Dortmund.
west silo
Ha something funny
Elites can't build barns
But they can make there own Spartan armor
Spartan armor is less complicated than a barn
unique rune
Heck, some Gen1 armors were manufactured by companies that the UNSC has contracts with. Gen2 just expanded that list... by a lot.
gilded mason
Spartan, you're killing me. pls
west silo
Its just shows how little thought was put into that
gilded mason
yeah lol
unique rune
Oh neat. NOBLE-class MJOLNIR is manufactured by CDS just like GEN1 Commando was.
astral pivot
yep many companies rose and with the war over some of aliens worked with human companies such as elites working on many UNSC weapon based project like the the Sword Hog that has shields and needle turret
and most of products were tested in War Games Simulation since it was best way test the products companys made since UNSC was really only fighting splinter groups until 2559
west silo
Like the black hole gun
unique rune
All this talk of collaborative tech development has me suddenly disappointed the Vespin Rocket Warthog wasn’t more... unique.
astral pivot
yep war games was best way test products thats how Hannibal vehicles became of service in UNSC
west silo
In only 4 years
astral pivot
with time of peace and simulation training program im sure R&D was very easy to get results on products the UNSC were only fighting small splinter groups so makes since in 4 years they got lots of advancements
and they had more Spartans than ever with spartan 4 program which had over 500 in service
west silo
Not when the elites can't even maintain there own ships
Having to resort to using pre covenant ones
terse lava
We all know that's bunk
gilded mason
Ah, Traviss-era lore. You hate to see it.
gilded mason
(And by engineers, he means Elites that have engineering professions, besides the usual huragok)
cedar surge
Because they all mysteriously teleported
gilded mason
Very ~mysterious~, that
terse lava
Well if I met huragok I would say huragok 😝
astral pivot
only known thing about the huragok is that they left after war to go vibe in space, or with splinter groups, and also UNSC took alot them work for them
terse lava
We know they didn't dnt just all poof like that
astral pivot
i mean atleast HW2 and The Buck Books gave us some info on are squishy bois
terse lava
True
Hm, wonder if any other races sae the forerunners as gods or the covenant themselves
astral pivot
maybe some in the fringe
terse lava
Iwould find that pretty amusing. Some primitive race worshipping them like a cargo cult
astral pivot
as much people bash 343 lore alot lore they did makes sense with post war it might small such as companies or groups in galaxy and all that but it helps make universe feel more detailed than all theses missons that happened
cedar surge
Yea though sone of the stuff 343 added is very questionable
It did fill out the universe
Good the bad and the ugly
But seriously why did all the engineers just leave
There not something you want to lose
west silo
The biggest sin is the 4 year time span
And Karen traviss
Well even if a faction only had 2 engineers wouldn't they have like hundreds with enough time
astral pivot
I dont think they reproduce that way
Well the brutes did kill a lot of the squishy bois during the schism
west silo
They reproduce by creating another using materials
It takes like 45 mins
And with 3 it goes down to 35
cedar surge
So you have have a dozen and have a few hundreds after a month or two
astral pivot
maybe the USNC are selling them as pets to people
west silo
It could be anything
astral pivot
there like the Mr Handys from fallout just mass selling them
west silo
Just don't let them near any planet destroying bombs
astral pivot
rip that whole fleet in the fringe
west silo
Handyman just wanted to help
I wonder how powerful would a forerunners gun be in there hands
astral pivot
they would probaly do same thing with that fleet and shoot each other like it laser tag
cedar surge
@astral pivot wcouldn't selling them be slavery
west silo
Aren't they already slaves
astral pivot
they were during the great schism the brutes were order hunt them down after they saw elites were being killed off
i really want to know if other spieces joined elites when schism started as games imply only elites were fighting get off high chairty but we didnt hear much from about grunts or jackals who might been with them since they served under them
west silo
Well grunts were probably just there for the ride
And I doubt the jackals really cared
astral pivot
the grunts had no where go after war after there planet was glassed they joined the the swords after the war
jackals just let be pirates or join splinter groups as mercs
astral pivot
true i forgot about that
i do wonder if grunts were allowed work with UNSC since the elites and engineers were allowed work with them
west silo
Well there aren't any jackals in the SOS
Well yeah remember the humans even have special schools for grunts on onyx
astral pivot
i dont remember that
west silo
Legacy of onyx
astral pivot
have not read that yet
west silo
Not that good book
Am pretty sure there is also a grunt thats a teacher there
Oh and jul's son goes there as well
astral pivot
thats funny
i want see an elite sitting at school desk with a text book
angry worting
west silo
Unfortunately we don't really get that
Because the covenant attacks
Again
And there's a guardian there
astral pivot
wow guess guardians dont want space dinos get a good 26th century education
halo dino school could been great game
no wonder elites cant build barns
west silo
Ha
cedar surge
Would having a engineer on every unsc ship be a good idea?
astral pivot
yes
they would be able fix many things humans would struggle with such as forerunner engines like on the infinity and can help with slip space jumps and data processing
cedar surge
But what if they activate the missiles on board
astral pivot
in the Buck Book Bad Blood we learn that ONI has them working for them which Bucks team goes to find Virgil the one we saved in odst
cedar surge
Like they have activated weapons of mass destruction before
astral pivot
they could but they were treated way nicer by the UNSC than by the covenants
and they could activate a halo they did it once
but im sure many research outpost and big ships have them in service work with them
west silo
Come on lance we all know that was a one time thing
astral pivot
they just like touching blinking light
cedar surge
Well yea
west silo
No wonder they were rarely on the battlefield
astral pivot
whats next they can use a gravity hammar or a sword
cedar surge
Well they probably could
west silo
No
cedar surge
The energy sword
west silo
Obviously they will duel weld Spartan lasers
astral pivot
like Isabell's stupid condor where just took every gun and slapped it on there and said go kill 3 scarabs
west silo
No duel wield Mac's
cedar surge
A Spartan could beat a mac
astral pivot
a giant Kinect ball will just curb stomp a spartan
west silo
So griffball
astral pivot
yep
west silo
I wonder why did the covenant not use engineers shields more
Like come on an engineer was able to make a garbage truck survive a direct scarab blast
And that was just a garbage truck
astral pivot
maybe tthey were all in high chairty vibing
cedar surge
hey its a garbage truck based off a military vehicle
astral pivot
i think elephant is based of the big tank the French used in ww1 that was size of like two story building
cedar surge
Yea but a scorpion is a design made by the unsc
And it's only 200
WW2 is much longer ago
west silo
Maybe inspired is a better word
cedar surge
Of it ain't broke don't fix it
gusty knot
if the precursors are immortal then how did the forerunners kill them?
lethal comet
The precursors probably didnt fight back
And immortal and invincible are different things
And precursors were neither immortal nor invincible
gusty knot
but they could die and basically recreate themselves
echo nebula
Their history is rife with times when they allowed themselved to die out, and later be reborn to experience evolution all over again
stable flower
Why are the Servants of Abiding Truth considered a Covenant remnant/splinter group again?
echo nebula
They continue to worship the Forrunners
lethal comet
They still opposed the covenant
astral pivot
Does anyone know anything about the camera the grunt used on gravemind when truth was giving his speech with the index. Is there like news network on high charity? Does camera film in 64k? And are grunts tv stars on network television there?
lethal comet
The camera could have been a hologram recorder
astral pivot
hologram tv network then on high charity?
lethal comet
Probably
astral pivot
High Charity News, THe HCN
civic vapor
shinai
plush axle
So it’s been a while since I’ve played a Halo game and I haven’t really been following up with lore so I have a quick question:
Why did the story go from Cortana taking over the galaxy with her guardians to Chief on another Halo Ring fighting the Banished?
Because as much as I hated Halo 5’s campaign, it’s story was starting to become interesting and it’s suddenly gone In Infinite
coarse trail
Would probably turn into a three-way free for all battle for the control of the Halo Ring
inner basin
We really don’t know much about Infinite, but if we were to go over all the trailers and everything we’ve seen and what’s been confirmed for Infinite, then the Created arc isn’t gone, but we’ll have to deal with it later in the game is my guess.
round comet
Why did the story go from Cortana taking over the galaxy with her guardians to Chief on another Halo Ring fighting the Banished?
@plush axle we have been wondering the same thing for a few months now, lol.
i think before making assumptions we should wait for shadows of reach (october 10) which would give us a better idea of the galaxy's state after halo 5.
round comet
as for the game itself, yup they were not on the ring when the demo took place, so im assuming she isnt part of the whole thing yet.
faint stone
theres only one reason why a halo ring would be involved
round comet
but at the same time the explanation should be in infinite
SOR will be as significant to infinite as fall of reach was to CE, which isnt a lot.
theres only one reason why a halo ring would be involved
well for the banished, yeah.
for cortana i dont know.
round comet
maybe even she wants the ring to silence everyone who doesnt support her.
faint stone
so she wants to wipe them out
yeah
is that book about the mini halo ring the covenant remnants created canon?
iirc has the prelate in it
round comet
which book, again?
faint stone
shadow of intent
i remember listening to the first part of it and there was something about a captured elliot by a prophet who uses a circular machine which reduces the elite to dust
similar to the halo ring
yep the prelate led faction found a forerunner facility that had a prototype halo ring design
and basically was just a smaller device but the same effect of wiping out lifeforms
round comet
shadow of intent is canon yeah
faint stone
makes sense for tarna to wanna use a halo ring as a scare tactic against people who rebel
for now we don't know what can damage a guardian
but we do know they clearly weren't enough for the flood lol
round comet
for guardians the UNSC may have to use nukes or NOVA lol
faint stone
would've depended probably
since guardians emp'd earth but that's ofc not the only world
so there might've being a frigate that nuked them
ik lord hood and the spartan 2 reject ONI director escaped just as the guardian arrived
so hopefully infinite has lord hood involved like he's leading his own resistance somewhere else since he's rlly rlly loves bombardments
lethal comet
Guardians have counter measures against ships
versed helm
Like the giga pulse
cedar surge
Long hood and osman are hiding on a world that is not on any star charts
versed helm
it'd be expected from osman, but hood too?
karmic hemlock
question - doing digging, and realized that humanity had access to bubble shield tech. is this an oversight, or just lore shenanigans being silly? seems like that would be the number one thing to adapt for ships, even if its power hungry, its mounted on a great big ship with a friggin fusion reactor
round comet
a lot of UNSC ships already have energy shielding i believe?
round comet
ah.
lethal comet
oni had prototype bubble shields as armor abilities
The drop shields in reach
They are weaker but can be used more than once
versed helm
i think they block bullets from in and out, right
versed helm
and thats why they're impractical on ships
lethal comet
You can always do it like infinity and ram em
karmic hemlock
so you turn it on when you're about to get shot and turn it off when you want to blast someone's face off. and keep it mind it was experimental, how i understand it the tech was available for a few years even before reach
just seems an oversight
lethal comet
Making ship sized bubble shields isnt really easy
If it was the coveanant would have done it long ago
karmic hemlock
not easy? the tech is available as a disposable grenade. never underestimate the military industrial complex. if the tech wasnt abandoned i imagine more breakthroughs would have been found.
this is just semantics tho. i know what happened, just seems silly in hindsight
round comet
..
versed helm
its VERY impractical to have a ship sized bubble field
it would take up nearly all the power
lethal comet
They either generate too much heat or consume a lot power so the shields are one use, not practical for ships
versed helm
and they wont even be able to prep to kill during the shielding, cause no power
lethal comet
Making them reusable makes them a lot weaker as we see in reach
versed helm
and given the size, it would still take a lot of power
karmic hemlock
which is why they needed further development to see practical use
cedar surge
Weren't those bubble shields from brutes
lethal comet
just covenant
cedar surge
Yea I read up
It was reverse engineered from the forerunners by ONI and was reverse engineered from them by the covenant
lethal comet
The forerunners used an advanced and extremely efficient variant of the bubble shield tech in onyx sentinels I think
versed helm
How common was covenant energy shielding, and how resistant were they to UNSC weapons?
nimble crest
Pretty common. Pretty effective.
versed helm
TY
boreal breach
Hold up - You know in the Infinite gameplay trailer with all the hexagons on the sides that are supposed to make up Chief's shields? Could it be a similar technology?
cedar surge
Its upgraded shields
Its not the same technology
Its however looks like it would get old very fast
fair hazel
And then it was reversed engineered again to to make the bubble shield Armour ability
Forerunner. Unsc. Covenant. Unsc.
cedar surge
Where does the loop end
versed helm
it does not
nimble crest
If warthogs don’t run on fossil fuels, what do they run on? Water? Solar power?
versed helm
Why would they run on water?
It has the same battery like a Spartan suit
Oh
i dont like the spartan 3s as much as the spartan 2s
Both have their merits and demerits
yea, didnt the spartan 2s try to stop the covenants invasion
Master Chief is a Spartan 2 right
carmine sleet
He is
carmine sleet
Spartan-IV
stable flower
Spartan-IIs were made for counter-insurgency purposes. It's a miracle that they were able to help humanity survive the Covenant.
carmine sleet
There wasn't even 100 Spartan IIs
astral pivot
only around 33 spartans 2 were around since most died during the augmenation process
versed helm
mixed
astral pivot
out of the 75
orchid prism
In total, how many sp2s were there?
astral pivot
about 35 since most died during the process of becoming a spartan
orchid prism
Ok
versed helm
so over 70% ish died during the process
astral pivot
around 9 were discharged from the UNSC
versed helm
for doing what
astral pivot
mental issues for issue with augmentation process
astral pivot
Um no since the marines were around before the spartans,
versed helm
oh in halo wars the armor looks like the spartan suits
just darker and less protective
astral pivot
That's just model they used halo wars 1 is about 30 years before halo reach and Spartans 2 were only around
astral pivot
Halo wars 2 the marines use armor from 2529 since they were in cryo sleep for 28 years and red team are still using mark 4 spartan armor and marines had same armor from halo wars 1
versed helm
well i knew that
astral pivot
They do get upgraded tech such as makeshift mark 6 suit for Douglass and Jerome and Alice do upgrade there armor with some new tools after ending since Jerome became a commander
astral pivot
4
Spartans 1 were failure Johnson was gen 1, gen 2 is master chief, red blue and grey team, gen 3 are halo reach spartans like noble team besides Jorge he is gen 2, and gen 4 are buck and Locke and palmer
astral pivot
Gen 2 were children, gen 3 were teenagers, and gen 4 were just people in miltary
orchid prism
Gen 4 were spec forces iirc?
orchid prism
Nah not spec forces i suppose
astral pivot
Gen 4 was mass produced they had around 600+ since most could join the program
orchid prism
Right about 2 and 3
astral pivot
Gen 3 had spec ops group the head hunters who only worked for ONI
Gen 2 were deployed for anything since humanity was losing so much
orchid prism
Ahhh yes, head hunters
versed helm
Weren't the halo rings created to "cleanse" the universe from the flood
orchid prism
THEY were special
astral pivot
To kill the food for the flood
astral pivot
Um repeat that again
orchid prism
Nah humans didnt
versed helm
The Humans were inside an Ark when the ring fired the fist time. Right?
astral pivot
All life were stored as DNA when rings fired for first time the forerunners did have storage for genes but forerunners had other locations to store gene samples
versed helm
Ah that make more since
The Spartans 3s were nobel team bised gorge bc he was a spartan 2
besides
astral pivot
yes Noble team were spartans 3 and jorge was spartan 2 hence when he meets halsey they knew each other and she jokes about the armor he changed
orchid prism
Yeah, jorge was s2
versed helm
and what happened to June after he left with Dr.Hasley
astral pivot
hence he calls her mom she raised him
astral pivot
jun became co director of sparten 4 program
versed helm
Oh do we ever see him
astral pivot
yes in the Buck Books he is one who gets Buck become a spartan 4
astral pivot
its just title forerunners gave humans who can use there devices
orchid prism
Quoted by 343 guilty spark
astral pivot
some humans genes evolved really fast and they were able use certain forerunner tech
versed helm
Some humans were made into the didacts army
But how many
bc select communites were made into his mindless army
astral pivot
um the composer turns them into Prometheans they were ancient humans and new humans it can make anyone into promethean really
astral pivot
um arbiter is fine he is alive he is just fighting for Sanghelios
versed helm
ik
versed helm
but he was intended to die when tarturs told him after he took marinda keys
orchid prism
Gravemind saved his life technically
astral pivot
the gravemind saved him
astral pivot
the gravemind has access to teleportation network of the halo ring
well yeah since the prophets just order brutes to kill the elites
versed helm
when we all know the Elites are more cool
orchid prism
Ok, my ques is, can gravemind be destroyed?
versed helm
yes
orchid prism
Is it possible?
versed helm
teh rings can kill him but there will always be another one
crude fossil
The whole point of halo rings was to simply remove life and he(gravemind) and all flood would just starve
astral pivot
the rings dont kill the flood it kills the food for the flood to starve them
orchid prism
@astral pivot yeah
astral pivot
it can cleanse flood that were made like if human just became flood since there still somewhat human
orchid prism
@crude fossil yup
crude fossil
Gravemind just like you and I needs food to sustain itself.
versed helm
i dont like H4 elites desing
crude fossil
Take that away and it will starve, might take 5,000 years, who knows.
versed helm
But if and when he dies another gravemind is made it just takes a while?
astral pivot
yes if there if food in HW2 we see a proto mind forming since it killed so many banished
and fact they were only in high charity for 5 years
astral pivot
Old age she made part of her self and AI to talk to Chief to evolve his genes and Halsey give her the janus key
orchid prism
Janus key?
versed helm
Two things that gave her the location of all forerunner constructs
Who remeber Purple Cortana
crude fossil
You have to be careful a bit, 343 studios have some different connections than what Bungie/Books did.
So some of the things that the forerunners tell us fills in gaps, but often overrides/corrects what we knew.
versed helm
She got shot by Palmer after she got those, which made her side with Jul, which started H5
gilded mason
Hm? She died from the Halos.
orchid prism
@gilded mason hi, how are you Ostral?
versed helm
But doesn't Chakas find her near Kilimanjaro?
gilded mason
@orchid prism
I'm fine
versed helm
And she tells him to let his friends go?
waxen anchor
How come the forerunners didn't simply kill ALL the flood they could? Why did they keep it in containment chambers? If they couldn't find a cure, how come they thought someone else could?
crude fossil
The inconsistency are okay, but if you really want the biggest 'flood' Halo 3 has the most info(due to the gravemind)
there's also a book called the flood
gilded mason
@versed helm
That was the AI she made of herself, if you're talking about Renegades
versed helm
Killing parts of the flood is pointless
bc without teh flood Halo would be easy to play
crude fossil
you cant attach pics or i would
orchid prism
Basically CE
versed helm
Killing parts of the flood is pointless
gilded mason
@versed helm
That was the AI she made of herself, if you're talking about Renegades
orchid prism
But a bit expanded
versed helm
Ohhhhhhhhhh. Thanks for the correction, Ostral
crude fossil
Halo rings were shot 100,000 years before the games, by the ISoDidact
gilded mason
👍
crude fossil
they were forced to fire them due the the flood growing so far
waxen anchor
Agreed, @versed helm, but when the Forerunners fired the halo rings and decimated the flood, why did they keep some flood in containment chambers?
It obviously is the largest threat to the galaxy
gilded mason
In hopes of finding a cure
waxen anchor
It's to risky to even allow a sliver to survive
versed helm
They "Clensed" planets
crude fossil
The forrunner dont think like we do tho
gilded mason
Since they figured Flood could still be out there, outside of the galaxy
crude fossil
they want all species to live
astral pivot
the flood were stored and tested find a cure
waxen anchor
The flood isn't a species, its a parasite
versed helm
bc 1 flood can infect like what 2,000 ro 3,000 people
waxen anchor
Exactly
So if a SINGLE containment chamber breaks
They can start a galaxy wide infection
crude fossil
jsut as they keep copies of dna and actual units of all species
astral pivot
way more they infected most of galaxy
versed helm
See. They didnt know if they had gotten all the flood forms. And wiping out all life in the galaxy again and again is pointless.
versed helm
So, better to find a cure
crude fossil
they are a 'perfect'mind
waxen anchor
But there is no cure
astral pivot
they can start a spread but UNSC has protocls and armor and weapons deal with flood since there now trained deal with the flood
crude fossil
destroying a species is not ever in thier ideas
waxen anchor
The life workers had ages to find one
The flood isnt a species
Well
I guess it is precursors
crude fossil
race, species, entity
orchid prism
If there is a cure, how would it go?
waxen anchor
Exactly
crude fossil
there is a cure
versed helm
I saw a hiddenxperia video that said ONI did some weird experiment that worked like a proto-cure
crude fossil
we already know there's a cure
waxen anchor
Look
crude fossil
not to fix it but prevent its spreading
versed helm
Preventing it spreading is fixing it
gilded mason
What makes you say that?
versed helm
Isnt spartan armor unbreachable to the food
waxen anchor
I just dont think it was wise to keep the most dangerous thing in the universe ALIVE, and basically ALONE for ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS
versed helm
No food means it can't spread
waxen anchor
UI, nothing is unbreachable by the flood
versed helm
Oh
waxen anchor
Master chief gets his neck armor breached by one
crude fossil
its like the movie WWZ, they will not infect someone who they think is dying or useless.
Johnston lived because he had an infection, they never specify, maybe cancer most speculate.
They just walk right around him like the kid in WWZ
versed helm
The Halos basically did the same thing ONI does, but on a galactic scale
Arch when does that happen
waxen anchor
In The Flood novel, Master Chief almost gets assimilated
astral pivot
they were stored very well and most of places where they were stored had some of best sentinals and ai protecting the storage site
astral pivot
and they were stored in cold environments to slow them down
crude fossil
We simply have to have something they belive is terminal or makes us useless, simply have that in us and bam, we are uselss and they ignore us.
waxen anchor
And yet
versed helm
You do
orchid prism
Why didnt they use it if was stored safely?
waxen anchor
If you're gonna store the most powerful entity in the galaxy
Get some better security
gilded mason
Nah, Breaking Quarantine shows an infection form attempt to latch onto him. But he was able to pull it off him before it did anything.
waxen anchor
That way the humans dont accidentally release it
versed helm
They had the best, my dude
versed helm
The covies do it
orchid prism
???
waxen anchor
Monitor should have stopped them
versed helm
They accidentally release em, as far as I remember
astral pivot
they had very good security they were stored in frozen environments underground on planets in middle of nowhere in space
waxen anchor
See but
100,000 years passed
No matter how good your security is, SOMETHING will go wrong
versed helm
the food is manlupitive
waxen anchor
Like it did, on the halo we see in Halo 2
versed helm
in my opioin
crude fossil
@gilded mason that is where you find inconsistencies, books say they didn't want him, game shows them giving an attempt.
What we do know, he should have been overwhelmed, there's no way he by himself killed all of them and got away.
Also that crazy marine who shoots at you, the same could be thought of him, middle of no where in the map and they didnt take him over... he must not be wanted
"I played dead"
Halo's show us they love dead bodies, those are easy to take over and reanimate.
astral pivot
and the ai of the facility would lock it down since they stored only like few flood not whole nest
versed helm
What event you specifying, @waxen anchor ?
waxen anchor
I just think the forerunners did a poor job of ensuring the parasite wouldn't escape containment while they were gone
orchid prism
@waxen anchor they underestimated the flood imo
waxen anchor
yeah
versed helm
doom guy vs master chief
waxen anchor
But thats after having to literally nuke the galaxy of ALL life
crude fossil
Archone, they did a poor job,
But they thought they would have a cure by then as well as they always could just fire the rings again.
orchid prism
@versed helm doom slayer ftw
waxen anchor
Underestimating shouldn't be apart of their vocabulary
versed helm
nah master chief
orchid prism
@versed helm lol u must be high
crude fossil
New dooms made doom guy a god, he isnt human anymore
orchid prism
@crude fossil yup
waxen anchor
yeah its sorta like saying "would a wasp or Master Chief win?"
astral pivot
the only know outbreaks were during halo 1 since the keyes didnt know what flood was and 343 was dealing with talking to an AI on the ToC and the outbreak on Halo 2 was from eons agon, and Halo Wars 2 the ark had no AI so the brutes done goofed with by releasing them from high chairty and they had go get control of sential network deal with them
orchid prism
Doom guy vs chief, its a fair fight
waxen anchor
Wait so the outbreak on halo 2
crude fossil
But yeah, if you have cancer or something, the flood wont infect you. Thats the cure, jsut dont get infected.
orchid prism
@crude fossil 🤣
astral pivot
yes on the ring in the near the site where the index key was
crude fossil
by 2021 we all will be safe
astral pivot
and underground
waxen anchor
Why can I not type "n0t hum@n" ???
orchid prism
Not human?
orchid prism
@waxen anchor joe
versed helm
She has a version of it.
orchid prism
Rampancy caused dat
waxen anchor
She was alone with a gravemind for 40 or so days
I think she has some degree of it
It would explain her behavior in h5
Shes disabling the universe to prime it for a flood outbreak
gilded mason
She does not
waxen anchor
Evidence?
versed helm
No. She's disabling to gain control
orchid prism
Why do some ppl disagree with logic plague?
crude fossil
They just need to find the reset button, reinstall windows 17 or whatever shes running on.
orchid prism
Is it not canon?
waxen anchor
@crude fossil agreed
versed helm
Her tactics might be similar to the flood, but the end goal is different
astral pivot
we dont know all we know is she found the domain but her goal is differnt than the flood
waxen anchor
I believe she does, she seems extremely broken in halo 3 after being with the Gravemind for 40 days
versed helm
Yeah. Similar tactics. That's it.
The gravemind corrupted her. But you also have to remember in Halo 4 she told us that she was past her seven years. She was supposed to die after seven years but she was still alive.
gilded mason
Her actions immediately after being free from Gravemind were completely opposite from the Flood's goals.
versed helm
GUYS
orchid prism
@versed helm yeah
waxen anchor
Ostral, its probably just a long term plan
The gravemind never meant to lose in h3
They thought they had it in the bag
gilded mason
That's...really out there
waxen anchor
Cortana was a ticking time bomb for them
crude fossil
Honestly, I think they should have killed her off. Made MC a not even worse camper, and make the series go darker.
Some more adult themes and have chief make some kinda questionable decisions.
waxen anchor
I mean im just theorizing lol
gilded mason
There's no reason for even doing such a long term plan
versed helm
Her rampancy rate was sped up by the flood encounter, but that's it. She doesn't have the plague
gilded mason
^
versed helm
^^
versed helm
my coach let us sing the halo theme sont
waxen anchor
Yeah I can agree with that @versed helm
waxen anchor
lmao
orchid prism
Ooooooooo
waxen anchor
OoooOoooOoooooo
versed helm
It is the anthem of your soul
orchid prism
Ohoooooooooooo
waxen anchor
True halo player
waxen anchor
Why did ONI do the thing where they betrayed MC?
versed helm
All 80 of us did the halo 2 theme
waxen anchor
Didnt they frame him for shooting peace talks
orchid prism
@waxen anchor he was too dangerous to be kept alive i guess lol
crude fossil
versed helm
ONI probably did that to master chief because of the amount of times he has disobeyed orders and went AWOL.
lol
orchid prism
Disobeying orders too
waxen anchor
[
The event was leaked onto human public networks and news sites by FERO, an unidentified Insurrectionist leader. Some of the people who had become aware of the event accused John-117 of being a traitor, working with the enemy, assassinating a beloved diplomat, and killing civilians. Many people became divided on whether the hero of the Human-Covenant War—the Master Chief—was a traitor or not. Many Inner Colony residents denounced the Master Chief, while Outer Colony residents were becoming increasingly disgruntled.[1]
FERO leaked the event with the intentions of getting the public to feel betrayed by John's apparent disloyalty. Then, she would reveal the Office of Naval Intelligence was responsible for abducting children for the SPARTAN-II program and for ultimately psychologically transforming the Master Chief into a traitor. Meanwhile, a meeting was scheduled between the UEG Senate and ONI to discuss the event, during which a leak of ONI's action in the SPARTAN-II program occurred.[1][3]
Ray Kurzig later revealed that the Sangheili sent a secret message to the UEG, protesting not just their own innocence but "the Demon's" as well, criticizing the UEG for their silence. He revealed that the government of Biko had been officially silent on the matter because of a gag order from Earth through the magistrate, Laurel Adams. After FERO's leaks, there was an unofficial investigation implicating Sapien Sunrise but the information was hidden by the UEG from the public.
]
waxen anchor
orchid prism
Right
versed helm
The peace talks were interrupted by the Sanghelli
waxen anchor
But for some reason a ton of ppl were like "oh yeah it was chief"
And the governments were silent
waxen anchor
UI, wym?
versed helm
@versed helm Chief is not an AI.
waxen anchor
I don'
waxen anchor
I don't think so, hes jus traumatized since cortana was basically his egirl
How did Chief get "selected" to be forerunner?
Like how did he get his special genes?
gilded mason
He isn't
gilded mason
Inherited his genes.
versed helm
He has the geas of the forerunners
gilded mason
Yes, many humans have the geas
versed helm
Their spirits, so to speak
gilded mason
John does not have a Forerunner geas, though
waxen anchor
geas?
gilded mason
Just the same geas every other Reclaimer has
versed helm
the real question is why did Chief want to find cortana
waxen anchor
is it geans
jolly swift
I did some research and Cortana was with the Gravemind for 38 days
versed helm
i never played H5
waxen anchor
because cortana is his gf
jolly swift
which is so close to 40
astral pivot
the forerunners evolved the human genes and spliced them to use there tools hence in halo 4 chief was immune to composer he was forced evolvution by librain
gilded mason
Because they're friends
versed helm
ik
waxen anchor
relationship material*
jolly swift
40 would be cooler
versed helm
No. Geas is the essence of AH
waxen anchor
WHAT IS GEAS
gilded mason
@waxen anchor
https://www.halopedia.org/Geas
versed helm
but he did not have to he could have just gotten a more developed ai
waxen anchor
ok thanks
versed helm
or no Ai
versed helm
Master Chief isn't forerunner. The reason why he is able to do all he does is because of one word. Luck. Now, in H4 the Librarian gives Chief a gift, this gift is a geas which is a hidden genetic template that can be used as a guide to "pull" someone a certain way.
waxen anchor
He wanted Cortana because they have been through a ton of sh** together, and Cortana was still EXTREMELY advanced
versed helm
Cortana is the most advanced AI.
waxen anchor
In halo 5 they needed to get her since the Domain is too powerful for her
orchid prism
@versed helm pull? As in mind control?
gilded mason
Sorta similar
versed helm
Not mind control, as much as gut instinct
gilded mason
But more subtle
versed helm
but she was made in reach, and how did she get rampancy
nvm
i answerd my own question
Yep
waxen anchor
In Halo Reach, the cortana we see is a fragment
Yo wait
How did uh
Halsey and those Spartan 3's get out of the Dyson Sphere?>
waxen anchor
In Ghosts of Onyx?
versed helm
They call for help
gilded mason
They got 'rescued'
waxen anchor
How...?
versed helm
Slipspace probe, I think
waxen anchor
How dare you
orchid prism
Lol wut?
waxen anchor
Get that heretic out of here
versed helm
so the cortana in Reach was just a Less Developed version of the real one?
jolly swift
mod bot has gone rampant
versed helm
Might have misspelled it
versed helm
Ohhh ok ok i get it
waxen anchor
Basically she broke off a piece of her to monitor that stuff
And then took it back in
versed helm
sorry i havent play reach n like 2 or 3 years
waxen anchor
She actually used the data used from that fragment in Halo: CE to find the halo ring
it was not a random jump
versed helm
my memory is ehh
jolly swift
so as I understand it, the Domain being destroyed when the Halo array fired is like the cloud being wiped, and what Cortana found is basically a physical server that allows her to re-establish the Domain?
waxen anchor
all good
versed helm
can we get an F in the chat for our boy Noble 6 though
gilded mason
It was already rebooted. But basically empty.
waxen anchor
So im not sure what the Halos did to it
orchid prism
F
versed helm
The domain can't be destroyed. The physical server that houses the domain is nigh indestructible
waxen anchor
Ok so theoretically
What if we fired a halo ring at it
And then rammed the halo ring into it
versed helm
You cant
waxen anchor
But what if we did
versed helm
If you fire a halo ring it would destroy the entire universe.
It's a separate dimension
waxen anchor
Lets do it
orchid prism
How does..
waxen anchor
Imagine thats the end of Infinite
gilded mason
Uh
orchid prism
Nvm
versed helm
You cant ram a ring I to another dimension
waxen anchor
They just fire all the halos
versed helm
That would kill everyone
jolly swift
but I thought the Domain was kinda destroyed and deleted the Forerunners' history?
or maybe it was just wiped
humble yacht
It repaired itself
versed helm
It's very patchy.it works, but not like it used to
i feel like i should change my Profile Pic
Uh
@gilded mason It would, because if one halo ring is fired, it triggers the rest of the halo rings.
jolly swift
makes sense if like half its servers have been destroyed
versed helm
Imagine an Intel i9 10th gen jumping down to a pentium
waxen anchor
I thought you HAD to be at the ark to fire all of them
jolly swift
no
gilded mason
It would, because if one halo ring is fired, it triggers the rest of the halo rings.
I meant more that it wouldn't destroy the universe. Just kill anything with a nervous system inside one galaxy
waxen anchor
Not firing as well
humble yacht
The range of the whole Halo array is only the galaxy
orchid prism
@versed helm that low? lmao
waxen anchor
Besides
jolly swift
the Ark is just where they're made, and has the ability to fire them all just in casee
waxen anchor
Technically it isnt the entire galaxy now
versed helm
so bye bye everything @humble yacht
waxen anchor
Since we destroyed one in CE and it was never replaced
versed helm
Everything in this galaxy
jolly swift
since Installation 04 has been destroyed like 3 times now
waxen anchor
lmao
orchid prism
Neural physics
gilded mason
Just twice
waxen anchor
poor guilty spark
orchid prism
But he was annoying
versed helm
We still dont know what happened to 09 after Cortana found it
craggy sierra
guilty spark literally could not care less about 09 if he tried
versed helm
yea
humble yacht
He probably doesn’t know it exists
craggy sierra
He’s over that now
gilded mason
^
jolly swift
he's just vibin'
astral pivot
i assume its return to where i was in halo 1 since that it was destination go to and cortana might wonder why new ring appeared from what i think she and Professor anders had talk since both dont like Halsey
gilded mason
Forgin' a new path.
versed helm
while ii was looking for my music
orchid prism
Humming to himself while gassing and forgin a new path
versed helm
Oooooh 
craggy sierra
And gassin ships
he’s also over that
humble yacht
Is he also over humming?
orchid prism
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
gilded mason
Nobody is over humming
versed helm
nah my boy guilty spark is gonna hum the rest of his existence.
He hummin' while forgin'
yea @versed helm
orchid prism
Hmhmhmhm Oh Hello hmhmmmhmh
versed helm
Cause there ain't no ships to be gassin'
hmmmmmmhmmhmmmmhmhm ok activate this will ya hmmmmmjmhmhmhmmhmmhm
Hmhmhmhm could you please hmhmhmhm button in hmhmhmhm your fly hmhmhmhm thank you
Hmmhmhhmm oh you ded hmmhmhm
orchid prism
Hmmmhmmmhmm give me the key hmmhmhmm so i can eradicate life hmmmm hmmm
versed helm
Hmhmmhmm green monkey says what hmhmmhhmmm
craggy sierra
Cause there ain't no ships to be gassin'
nah, pretty sure he’s had at least one oppertunity since then.
versed helm
hmmmmmmhmhmhmmmhmhmhm i should manupulate johnson to eradicat all life so its his fault hmmhmhmmhmhmhmmmhmmhm
versed helm
Oh no i forgot
Too far, goku. Too far
Im sorry
nooooooooo
bro johnson's not dead
he's just kicking guilty spark around
orchid prism
This was the turning point for me
versed helm
this is when i get kicked out the server
orchid prism
Hated spark ever since
versed helm
Spark was probably the first forerurunner AI to go nuts after MB
humble yacht
Spark isn’t really an AI
astral pivot
the one in halo 2 pendant tenagent went kinda of insane so did one on the ark
versed helm
He was already going a bit nuts looking for Minerva and Riser
orchid prism
Penitent Tangent......
craggy sierra
Johnson is very much dead and spark is in fact very much alive and walking...literally.
astral pivot
he was insane mad boi that no one followed protcol
versed helm
And then he got flooded
astral pivot
i wonder if he was on high chairty in halo 3 and i still trapped in there
craggy sierra
Penitent tangent actually seemed to be the one not following protocol
versed helm
Jonhson is ded
humble yacht
Probably not
versed helm
speaking of floods, rip my boy captain keyes
orchid prism
But how is spark alive?, didnt the spartan laser completely destroy it??
versed helm
EVERYONE SHHHHHHH
astral pivot
they found his body in hunters of the dark i beleive
versed helm
It rekt the body, not the core
craggy sierra
ONI came back, picked up the fragments, and then plugged him in.
orchid prism
.....
jolly swift
I wish Spark stayed dead
orchid prism
ONI....
gilded mason
Spark is a good boy
versed helm
Lets take a moment and remember all the lives that were losted during the halo game
And then he let out the biggest flatulence cloud ever
orchid prism
@gilded mason O_O
jolly swift
from a lore perspective it's kind of cool, but it invalidates that moment in Halo 3
versed helm
Spark=thing of pure evil
craggy sierra
That moment in Halo 3 invalidated itself purely by existing just so Marty could wedge in some zero-impact drama last minute
astral pivot
when we going get that 343 spark funko pop?
i want chuck it at people like Tartutras
versed helm
yea @astral pivot
jolly swift
it's called a soccer ball that you can drop kick
orchid prism
@astral pivot how would the eye look?
cedar surge
Doesn't a funk pop require a body
orchid prism
@jolly swift this lol
cedar surge
Spark is just a ball
astral pivot
it can have a stand on it like the ghost danny phantom has
jolly swift
"wait here and hold off 7 waves of Flood"
craggy sierra
Not anymore
maiden crescent
A ball with a glowing eye
orchid prism
Ill do a knuckle ball with spark
versed helm
guys
cedar surge
Yea?
versed helm
my coach is letting us play halo
cedar surge
Cool
orchid prism
Gonna get that Ronaldo shot
versed helm
in class
maiden crescent
I envy you
astral pivot
they sell a glow in dark 343 spark funko and im sure people would buy it
cedar surge
Wish I got to do that
jolly swift
why were some of the forerunner installations on delta halo made of stone?
astral pivot
and do limited red eye spark
craggy sierra
But yeah now a days Spark runs around doing scrap salvage in a forerunner ship with a bunch of people he made friends with
gilded mason
Livin' the dream
orchid prism
Spark is Schizo confirmed
waxen anchor
spark is dead and we killed him
waxen anchor
lmao imagine
cedar surge
For salvage?
craggy sierra
Spark is not dead and Renegades is one of the best books in the EU
versed helm
im back
waxen anchor
Wait he isnt
versed helm
what i miss
waxen anchor
Didnt we literally blow him up
cedar surge
Well actually
orchid prism
@waxen anchor almost
cedar surge
His mind transferred
orchid prism
Not completely as Chimera and others said
craggy sierra
After ONI came by and picked up his pieces.
cedar surge
He devolved from guilty spark back to chakas
cedar surge
So what adventures does rion forge go on?
orchid prism
So... does spark have a new body or something?
versed helm
Hello my fellow spartans
orchid prism
@waxen anchor plot twist
waxen anchor
She just is spark and wants revenge on all hoomans
cedar surge
More "we gotta stop this [object] which will kill everyone!" Plots?
orchid prism
@versed helm 
cedar surge
No
waxen anchor
Shes an exact mind meld of Halsey
versed helm
We must stop the Flood
cedar surge
She is a AI
cedar surge
No she is not
craggy sierra
Spark’s issue in addition to just 100,000 years of isolation and psychosis from that is that he had a bunch of protocol code jammed in him that forced his hand on a lot of things he wouldn’t have done otherwise.
waxen anchor
Cortana is the only AI to have been created using a flash clone of a brain
craggy sierra
Like regardless of what monitor you stuck there on the ark, they would have lasered johnson cause protocol.
orchid prism
Which caused those red eyes
waxen anchor
Cortana is unique
cedar surge
Its hardlight
versed helm
Nobody notices how i changed my name and pic
waxen anchor
Lol I see u UI
versed helm
Yea
waxen anchor
But fr Cortana is a unique AI, no one else has created an AI like her
versed helm
i had UI for a year now its time to change
cedar surge
That isn't really that special
waxen anchor
Since no one has used her creation process
Halsey and her are identical, brain wise
cedar surge
She is just the only smart AI who's donor isn't dead
waxen anchor
Yeah i guess
cedar surge
And she doesn't have any of halsey DNA
craggy sierra
But fr Cortana is a unique AI, no one else has created an AI like her
I feel like you don't understand how AI works in the Halo universe
cedar surge
Halsey
waxen anchor
Guys ive played all the games on legendary and have a crud ton of lore books
im not an idiot
cedar surge
Using a very illegal process
waxen anchor
im just wondering about cortana
orchid prism
Name one AI like Cortana, Archone
waxen anchor
Black box
versed helm
@waxen anchor Same here minus the book part
cedar surge
Cortana is not a reclaimer
versed helm
and H56
waxen anchor
Yeah yeah i get it
versed helm
H5
cedar surge
None AI are reclaimers
waxen anchor
was just a random thought
craggy sierra
Guys ive played all the games on legendary and have a crud ton of lore books
You seemed to believe Spark wasn't dead
cedar surge
You need to have it in your genetic code
craggy sierra
So I'm dubious
waxen anchor
I never read Renegade
cedar surge
Saw the cover
waxen anchor
For me I killed spark in h3, never saw him again in any lore I've read
versed helm
My friend just DM me asking what is halo
waxen anchor
Lmao
cedar surge
Cool
orchid prism
@versed helm wht u reply?
cedar surge
Cool guy,kills aliens.isn't afraid of anything
versed helm
About what
craggy sierra
For me I killed spark in h3, never saw him again in any lore I've read
@waxen anchor He's also alive in the forerunner trilogy of books that are almost a decade old
waxen anchor
Oh curd!!!!!!!!
cedar surge
Wait they are?
waxen anchor
i LITERALLY JUST GOT THOSE A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO