Barns
#lore-and-universe
gilded mason
terse lava
Flippin barns
astral pivot
I see the brains were a receive gene in that family
terse lava
You wanna tell him Ostral or should i
gilded mason
You can
terse lava
K
west silo
Do it
terse lava
In one of Karen Traviss's books, sangheili are apparently so utterly focused on being warriors that without the covenant and other races, they didnt even know how to build a barn. Belive Jul's wife comments they had to crack open old texts to see, and later celebrated on making one
west silo
I see the brains were a receive gene in that family
@astral pivot
Remember keyes lead a squad into enemy territory
In one of Karen Traviss's books, sangheili are apparently so utterly focused on being warriors that without the covenant and other races, they didnt even know how to build a barn. Belive Jul's wife comments they had to crack open old texts to see, and later celebrated on making one
@terse lava
Jesus
gilded mason
Classic Traviss
west silo
What why
terse lava
Because
astral pivot
elites lay eggs thats why
west silo
Why make them so stupid
terse lava
It's the same series that made plasma torpedoes a physical object
west silo
Well they we always reptiles
gilded mason
And she also said they couldn't swim in these books
west silo
But no that's unforgivable
west silo
What isn't elites homeworld literally water
terse lava
There are thing about halo, that not even Traviss fully understand
gilded mason
Yeah. It was one of many very...not-so-good things she tried to add in
gilded mason
Hm?
west silo
Like didn't the return have one swim until he got dragged underwater
terse lava
She tries to say sangheilios was a water world?
gilded mason
No
astral pivot
they have big oceans
terse lava
No, he and another wwe training on boats
tired talon
MUTED*
gilded mason
App is saying them not being able to swim is silly since there's such a water focus on Sanghelios
terse lava
Ah
tired talon
@wild thicket hey I've been unmuted XD
west silo
Bruh how did Karen go from human weakness to this
terse lava
That's a good question
astral pivot
unless there mass is so high since there space dinos thats sad
west silo
Human weakness is great
gilded mason
So much less chance of going "off-topic" as it were
west silo
Or is it because she never had enough time to murder there character
west silo
Jesus elites can build barns now?
astral pivot
and lay eggs
west silo
Not according to canon they can't
gilded mason
And actually canonically have a huge mulititude of occupations other than being soldiers
No, I mean they can
In canon
Grim confirmed it
west silo
Please I want to believe
astral pivot
after the lots of elites worked with UNSC on making new weapons and vehicles such as Sword and Vespin hog and making the Helioskrill spartan armor
gilded mason
He said that "of course they'd know how to swim, much of their culture was spent seaside." (Paraphrased)
craggy sierra
Joint research effort
west silo
When elites will literally have a civil war because they think arbiter allowed humans on sanghelios
craggy sierra
Their civil war wasn't primarily about that
gilded mason
And as much as ONI didn't want to admit it, Sangheili had a lot more experience researching Forerunner stuff than they did, so their help was needed.
astral pivot
the swords really didnt care the last of Jul Madames forces went for a sucide run
west silo
And as mjuch as ONI didn't want to admit it, Sangheili had a lot more experience researching Forerunner stuff than they did, so their help was needed.
@gilded mason
Can't build a barn but understand forerunner stuff
astral pivot
hence name of checkpoint fall of the covenant
west silo
Seems legit
astral pivot
and engineers were also allowed into Oni due to there forunner nature
gilded mason
This is after Traviss left, luckily
craggy sierra
I mean they spent years making forerunner based reversed engineered weapons and tracking down and researching relics
west silo
Their civil war wasn't primarily about that
@craggy sierra
The arbiter almost lost because of it
west silo
The point still stand
Why on the most important forerunner thing second only to a halo
gilded mason
Treaty with the SoS +
The civil war was about the factions still loyal to the covenant not agreeing to end hostilities and wanting to continue the crusade. The humanity being on sanghelios thing just rubbed the pride of some of the elites more than anything and put the arbiter in a compromised position.
It was not about raw numbers
gilded mason
Also Telcam was really shuffed about Thel saying Forerunners weren't gods
terse lava
hm makes me.wonder if the Covenant ever knew of Onyx?
terse lava
they were only alerted to that thanks to the actions of the spartan s
west silo
But any ways if they needed help with forerunner tech on onyx why not use the huragok
U know the actual experts
gilded mason
Because it wasn't enough
craggy sierra
Being able to communicate verbally is probably nice
west silo
Vergil exist
craggy sierra
Yeah I'm 3 days off from playing ODST for the first time in a decade but I don't recall vergil ever actually speaking
west silo
He understands humans humans understand him
Dang it engineers made a collar that allows humans to speak
Is a translator really that hard
craggy sierra
¯_(ツ)_/¯
west silo
Exactly
Which brings me to another question
Why is there a prison on onyx
When the midnight facility exist
Just bring them there much lower chance of something going wrong
craggy sierra
Because you're not going to ship someone to space Alcatraz for a drunk and disorderly charge
west silo
Well why did they bring Jul there
To onyx and not somewhere that's not highly classified
They literally brought him to onyx
cedar surge
Why are the elites so dumb and stupid in her books?
Like what race would be so focused on war that the entire species can't even build a barn
If that was the case they should be starving along with the brutes
Is this another case of "Humanity! Heck yea!"?
gilded mason
Sure feels like it
terse lava
Indeed
shut dew
There's always been a fine degree of humanocentricism in Halo, and it's impacted the worldbuilding and lore
gilded mason
Yeah. It gets pretty irritating.
west silo
Man but Karen kicks it into overdrive
Like dude in her book one human with a covenant ship is a threat to humanity
shut dew
Humanity gets Mantle of Responsibility as a prize from the Precursors
Bare-bones worldbuilding for every species except Forerunners, Humans, and slightly 'Leets
Every non-Human faction always alludes to their in-game stereotypes regardless of trying to be different
There's so much I can list here
Every unique non-human character that hasn't shown up in the games must be quickly written out, either by being killed or other means
west silo
Well thel is just really busy
And ra tas is on an adventure
And castor is alone
And nizat is probably dead
cedar surge
Yea I mean
We know the unsc in and out
From corrupted politicians to innococent not-yet Spartan 3 candidates
Compared to the unsc covenant lore is smaller
And I'm dissapoited that humanity basically hasn't achieved anything on its own
shut dew
Like we need actual real history of the Covenant species that isn't entirely tied to the Covenant or Forerunners.
west silo
Well the terminals gave us some
cedar surge
We are the inherators of the mantle,the ones who have the geas genes which allow us to use forerunner tech,we got librarian guiding humanity towards tech
Humanity basically only won because we are special
shut dew
...Not all of which was impressive.
cedar surge
I like it better when humanity actually can do things on its own
And not guided towards a golden throne because we are somehow special
Like seriously
what is one trait we have other species don't
One personality trait
west silo
Well remember the librarian didn't make any of humans achievements less valid
gilded mason
She kinda did
cedar surge
Yea
west silo
Remember we were wayyyy more advanced than
shut dew
Jiralhane have virtually no redeemable traits in lore as of now, whole species being WARMONGERING M O N K E S WHERE SMARTNESS IS RARE
west silo
Now
cedar surge
She guided humanity towards technology
@shut dew we'll there must have been smart brutes before
west silo
She's just accelerating us to what we were before
gilded mason
If humans didn't have a geas, I don't think humans would have power armor/augments/AI. Considering the Librarian said that happened as a result of it.
cedar surge
How else could have they nuked themselves back to the stone age
shut dew
And I'm not saying 343 would never flesh them out but they seemed to recover very quickly from the nuclear war they had.
Maybe... "Brutes are brutal and violent but develop technologies much more rapidly than even the Sangheili?" IDK
cedar surge
If humanity didn't have the geas they wouldnt be able to use half the tech they have now
cedar surge
That second thing is the problem
gilded mason
The Librarian's words would make no sense if the geas didn't play a part in getting to their current tech level.
terse lava
Thinking back, I find it funny the librarian admits she did all this to prepare humanity for the flood return. Does she not recall recall humanity did a rather poor job the last time around?
cedar surge
What makes humanity deserve the geas than other species
gilded mason
The Librarian self-admittedly playing favorites.
west silo
U know forerunners stole the position
cedar surge
If we aregoing by stereotypes then shouldn't the elites get it since all of them are "honorable"?
Spartan that doesn't answer it. Yes they were going to choose humanity but why
terse lava
Ah yes, "precursors" the immortal race of sentient energy beings
west silo
Elite honor is very hipocritical
cedar surge
And we are not?
gilded mason
Humans are super hypocritical, yeah
cedar surge
The ammount of evil,corruption,
shut dew
Precursors that were wiped of any sense of nuance when they tried to kill the forerunners after they reconsidered giving them the mantle because Humanity Good Nuance Bad
cedar surge
That humanity has donee
west silo
Fight the enemy face to face while I use my invisible
terse lava
Yeah we have yet to know WHY the precursors changed their mind
What made humans better then forerunners
west silo
The precursors were probably gonna kill us
cedar surge
"Ooga booga humanity good lets bow for them and hope they use us as chairs"
terse lava
What makes you say that
west silo
Remember the test thing
terse lava
Humans have yet to be tested
cedar surge
I don't like the concept of the mantle in the first place
shut dew
Yeah we have yet to know WHY the precursors changed their mind
Before Halo 5 came out i'd argue that Humanity was given the mantle because they understood the concept of the Mantle's ambiguous nature and nuance better than the Forerunners, who'd tarnish the Mantle's importance because of their quick-to-authoritarian approach in the name of it.
terse lava
We have yet to see anything showing AH in a positive light
cedar surge
hHumanity? As a whole? Humanity isn't a hive mind
terse lava
They make the Covenant look like a pleasant church at times
west silo
The AH were pretty xenophobic
cedar surge
Some of humanity would use the mantle exactly as the forerunners did
shut dew
But now since Exuberant Witness is calling it a galactic dictatorship when we know that it's much more than that, there's no point in trying to dig the Mantle out of the narrative hole Halo 5 dug it into
cedar surge
To rule over others
west silo
Thats the forerunners interpretation of the mantle
shut dew
^
terse lava
And we have yet to see AH mantle
cedar surge
Even the precursors mantle
terse lava
Which they don't seem to have even practiced
gilded mason
who'd tarnish the Mantle's importance because of their quick-to-authoritarian approach in the name of it.
Though I'd say any version that uses a species-wide rule is intrinsically terrible.
west silo
We don't even know the meaning of the mantle other than to protect others
cedar surge
Was telling them to "lead" other species
shut dew
But the writers completely streamlined the definition and made that quote come out of the wrong character's mouth.
terse lava
Come to think of it, I dont think AH even bothered with the mantle
shut dew
(Or eye, in Exuberant's case)
cedar surge
A species isn't a single person
west silo
The flood kinda are
terse lava
Tell that to the flood
cedar surge
Not all of them are going to have the same idea
I'm not talking about the flood
I'm just saying that it would make no sense for all of humanity to understand the mantle better than the forerunners
Because some would use it in the exact same way
west silo
The precursors maybe saw life differently
cedar surge
And we know ONI would use it like that too
gilded mason
^
cedar surge
There is no reason why humanity is more "worthy",let alone any species
west silo
We don't even know if humanity wad worthy
cedar surge
Unless your entire species is a single person with the same thoughts or a hive mind the mantle would just not work
west silo
They were just next in line
west silo
Its implied there were other species to obtain the mantle
The forerunners are even implied to be in the right
cedar surge
Yea and I'm sure that other species would just love to be ruled by a single species
west silo
Because they may were going to be genocided for falling
versed helm
so the mantle is basically the right to dictatorship
cedar surge
Yea
shut dew
No, that's just an interpretation
cedar surge
Even the precursor version was the right to lead other species
terse lava
We do know the forerunners.wiped out other races other the eons
west silo
Not lead protect
versed helm
the forerunners took that to the extreme
and "lead" can have different meanings
it could mean being the greatest civilization
not necessarily leading them, but having the capacity to, if required
cedar surge
Fort if that's what it took having the mantle the forerunners would have kept the mantle
The greatest civilization is the forerunners
They have the greatest tech
Military
Population
Structure
versed helm
precursors. they had the greatest tech
cedar surge
Colonies
west silo
Wasn't it said that the forerunners didn't interact with other species that much
cedar surge
And the precursors gave away the mantle fort
west silo
No the forerunners took it
versed helm
they couldnt lead.
west silo
The forerunners genocided there creators and then immediately regretted it
cedar surge
The worst part of the mantle for me is that it would make species a hive mind that all have the same ideas
versed helm
exactly. thats basically dictatorship
west silo
Its basically an entire species having the same religion
Not really brainwashing
Just having an idea
versed helm
a less extreme version of the covenant
west silo
Its not like it's the Borg assimilating a species
cedar surge
Like I would hate if humanity accepted the mantle and they all started thinking "we must lead other species to salvation"
Man I hate that trope
versed helm
holy heck the banished are the perfect example of the mantle
cedar surge
Wat
gilded mason
How?
west silo
How
versed helm
see. they dont force their ideas, right?
west silo
That's just a warlord
gilded mason
They kidnap Grunts and force them to serve
craggy sierra
Space brigands and mercenaries are an example of the mantle?
cedar surge
They enslave engineers right?
gilded mason
Yes
gilded mason
And torture them
west silo
And eat them
versed helm
i meant how atriox gave the option to fight for him
terse lava
Yeah the Banished are bigger jokes then the Covenant
cedar surge
well, they technically do, since the other option is death
@versed helm that is absolutely the weakest form of choice fort
versed helm
like he did with the remnant of the SoS
west silo
What
gilded mason
For some people, yes. Others were forced to do so
terse lava
Atriox.became what he hated
cedar surge
Like right bellow bullying kids to become spartans
versed helm
ok yeah. i messed up goodly
cedar surge
You don't say
versed helm
my bad, guys. sorry
west silo
Yeah you did
cedar surge
Its fine
west silo
He must be punished
terse lava
sigh Ostral, get the heretic brand
craggy sierra
Last I checked Atriox wasn’t a blind religion.
versed helm
something clicked, but then that something blew up
gilded mason
👍
cedar surge
Plus Atriox would hate the mangak in pretty sure
cedar surge
It would force other species into subserviance
Like the covenant did with brutes
Coughengineer slaverycough
craggy sierra
I mean that’s just his lackey’s hyping him up which is a thing you see happen all over the place with leaders people like.
terse lava
That's the problem with the jiralhanae. How they were treated in the Covenant was thanks to their nature
Always wanting to fight to the top
cedar surge
Cause all of them are dumb idiots right
versed helm
they did fight themselves back to the stone age
west silo
They didn't even learn there lesson
cedar surge
It shouldn't be their nature but culture right?
versed helm
you say about a species that literally fought themselves back into the stone age
west silo
Wait forts a heretic now?
shut dew
This discussion has led me to ask this:
If you could retcon anything about any of the Covenant species' lore, what would you retcon?
gilded mason
Planet of Hats
cedar surge
Minors committing suicide
craggy sierra
Not being able to make farms
gilded mason
Already is (for the most part)
cedar surge
Oh
lethal comet
What did I miss, Why is forthenco a heretic
versed helm
i did a crime
west silo
He said it was the best example
cedar surge
Ok then
gilded mason
...Yes
versed helm
drumroll
cedar surge
I forgot
lethal comet
I'd retcon fall of reach to fit with halo reach
west silo
Karen trilogy
cedar surge
Maybe just uh
west silo
I'd retcon fall of reach to fit with halo reach
@lethal comet
Already happened
lethal comet
I forgot
That was epic I guess
lethal comet
@lethal comet
Already happened
@west silo Not completely
shut dew
I was asking about what you'd be retconning about Covenant Species lore and this just derailed
lethal comet
In the book reach fell in a day
cedar surge
Rewright kilo 5 to not make every elite look like a imbecile
lethal comet
Halo reach took about a month
versed helm
i'd retcon fire team osiris to fit in better with the story
cedar surge
Oh yea
west silo
Well there character are alright
terse lava
I would think retconning the plasma torpedoes back to blobs of plasma
cedar surge
Kilo 5 or osiris
cedar surge
Yea I Remeber not even Remeber tanaka existed
lethal comet
The elites in kilo five books dont seem to adhere to the code of honor
none of them
cedar surge
Like ostral had to ask me 4 questions to get me to Remeber her
west silo
I would think retconning the plasma torpedoes back to blobs of plasma
@terse lava
Actually they said that in the halo bible that PT were always solid
cedar surge
What
versed helm
i guess that can be explained because of the sudden shift in everything they thought was true
cedar surge
Why
west silo
Its actually a editing mistake that PT were blobs
cedar surge
Why would the plasma be solid
west silo
Yep watch the warfleet podcast
versed helm
arent the PTs basically kamehamehaas?
terse lava
Nothing in canon up to the KT books showed them being physical
west silo
Interesting stuff
lethal comet
Plasma is well plasma encased in a magnetic field
cedar surge
The plasma shots are held together by magnetic fields right
lethal comet
not solid
versed helm
maybe because of neural physics
cedar surge
Is this because they just want unsc PD to shoot down covenant torpedos
cedar surge
What is even the bible
lethal comet
Shooting plasma is the equivalent of shooting the sun
terse lava
H...heresy?
cedar surge
What is this halo bible
terse lava
What Bungie and 343 use for lore
versed helm
wait. if it is magnetised plamsa, then wont a high intensity laser be able to break that layer? sufficient EM radiation can penetrate magnetic shielding
west silo
Basically a book that has guild lines a story mist follow
terse lava
Speaking of PT, I have concluded only some ships have those
versed helm
does the bible explain neural physics?
west silo
And PT are basically Kai blast from Dragon ball
terse lava
The physical versions
west silo
doesn the bible explain neural physics?
@versed helm
They don't mention it
terse lava
No....they are not chi or spiritual energy
versed helm
it is the writing for a false god, then
terse lava
They are balls of plasma
west silo
Greg bear created neural physics off of other books he's written
versed helm
ado, he means that they are similar. cause the kamehamehaa is ejecting plasma thats heated using your chi
versed helm
it'd be messed up if they did. like, they'd just shove a grunt into the torpedo bay and fire
or they'd have super sangheili stationed along the hull
west silo
He actually based the precursors off of a another god like creature in his book
terse lava
True
versed helm
they seem pretty lovecraftian
potent apex
it'd be messed up if they did. like, they'd just shove a grunt into the torpedo bay and fire
@versed helm I'd pay to see that 😅
versed helm
...dont nano machines resemble the flood more than the pre-cursors?
terse lava
Senator gravemind
west silo
They started as nanomachines and then evolved into god like beings
U know typical sci fi body horror
terse lava
Did they ever anwer the question of reversing entropy?
versed helm
if they were able to bypass the anthropic principle, i guess they could also alter entropy
terse lava
Aw, no one got the book reference 😔
versed helm
||good omens?||
gilded mason
||The Last Question||
versed helm
ohhh
cedar surge
I can retcon anything about the covenant right?
versed helm
wait...||Multivac|| is also there in ||it is coming||, if im not wrong
cedar surge
I retcon the amount of lore they have to be much larger
gilded mason
based
terse lava
@gilded mason thank you
gilded mason
👍
terse lava
Oh, the species lore eh? Hmm
The jiralhanae being in the covenant for at least 200 years rather than a few decades
Makes that anger and rivalry with the sangheili more believable
terse lava
And childish
cedar surge
Like a single generation of brutes
gilded mason
Especially considering how long-lived Elites are
terse lava
It just shows the sangheili were right
west silo
Its just shows something was fishy with the prophets
terse lava
"We have to keep them in a low rank because they seek to push to the top. That could threaten the Covenant" look what happened
gilded mason
Though of course, that turned out to be because Truth is a bit of a rude boy
terse lava
True
But, the anger in think it would be better with w couple centuries
200 years and still stuck down there?
west silo
Just 60 years though
terse lava
Surely over such a time they.sould have gotten better
west silo
They make it seem like a rivalry that last for generations
terse lava
Yeah with 60 years I find it hard blame the sangheili when we see those like Jovus who proved them correct
west silo
I've been thinking in the end of slientium didn't the gravemind use the Lord of admirals as a flood messenger to speak to the librarian on earth
gilded mason
Yeh
west silo
But doesn't guilty spark also have him in his head
His geas which is pretty much a soul
gilded mason
Basically "cloned" him
west silo
So they clone ur soul
west silo
Eh why am I surprised forerunner version of puberty is turning someone into a clone of ur self
terse lava
Physics
gilded mason
👍
terse lava
It's more "give your child your knowledge"
gilded mason
Though it also makes you a physical copy, at least in Bornstellar's case
terse lava
His was a unique case
gilded mason
Ah
terse lava
Even the didact said that
A bervant mutation
Something usually unique to warrior servants. Normal mutations would be between a father/son over years
west silo
His was a unique case
@terse lava
Well the didact basically turned a random boi into himself instead of the offspring
Remember the planet that had cows with forerunner faces
Even the ecosystem was forerunner
terse lava
Yes, what about it?
west silo
Its just weird
I know they exiled themselves but still didn't have to do that to the animals
terse lava
Well they had enough technology apparently to change DNA.and such when left therr
versed helm
you imprint yourself on them. literally
terse lava
They didnt exile themselves
They were ditched there
Their ancestors protested finishing the precursor genocide
west silo
Didn't they basically exile themselves because of what they did
terse lava
So the commandrrs.left them on the world
west silo
Ohhhh they soo there the bad guys
terse lava
Hm?
west silo
Wait but weren't there thousands of ships still in the systems
terse lava
There were thousands of ships surrounding star roads
None in the primitive forerunner system
west silo
Ohhh so they abandoned there ships in another system
terse lava
Yes, the fleet went to the LMC to finish off the precursors. By that time some forerunners in the fleet said it was a crime against the mantle to continue the genocide. Some of these were taken and left on the almost dead.world, while the rest finished the genocide. These ones later abandoned their vessels thanks to guilt
terse lava
I think its implied those remaining with the fleets killed themselves
west silo
Oh
terse lava
The ships checked by the librarian and friends had no forerunner remains. It had been 10 million years though
terse lava
Maybe
west silo
Now am wondering why didn't halsey just hack a guardian
gilded mason
The climax of Infinite is Halsey hacking the Domain with her phone
west silo
She can already hack one the most powerful ai ever
Man remember that plot point about all the forerunner ships and planets the librarian was gonna give halsey
Where did that go
gilded mason
Zap
terse lava
I see you, ZAP!...I see you...ZAP
craggy sierra
I’m of two minds about that stuff
gilded mason
Yeah. It's kinda...the only end that could really happen
Since humanity getting all that would be bad
craggy sierra
It’s kinda crappy that the story lines got cut off. But I also think Halo was going on a very concerning path of getting entirely too far up its own lore butt.
west silo
They have to be so blunt about it
gilded mason
Yeah
west silo
The librarian yes
I say no
terse lava
I wonder, if a group of AH would have survived into the modern era. If they would have helped modern humans or treated them more as pets
terse lava
Brand
terse lava
And that's up to Ostral
versed helm
nuts. oh well
terse lava
Idk, they may just sit back and watch
west silo
Watch there cousins get murdered
lethal comet
The climax of Infinite is Halsey hacking the Domain with her phone
I imagined halsey in watchdogs
craggy sierra
She’s definitely the person who reads the civilian bio about someone being a furry and then pulls a grenade launcher out.
lethal comet
How much recoil does the splaser have
west silo
Probably not that much since normal humans can use it
lethal comet
Normal marines can use it
versed helm
it has the dual hold to help keep it steady
west silo
The real question is how does a warthog not flip over when firing a guardians cannon
versed helm
its a warthog
it is the physical manifestation of neural physics.
well, virtual physical manifestation
west silo
But those are rounds moving at mach 40
versed helm
you think neural physics cares about that?
west silo
Hmm good point
winter trail
So quick question how does gravity on a halo ring work?
If they’ve even told us that
lethal comet
Spinning objects have centrifugal force
versed helm
the spinning causes centripetal force
lethal comet
Centripetal is inwards @versed helm
winter trail
That’s what I thought but part of me also think oh well that’s too obvious
fair hazel
anti-gravity
winter trail
I think that the lore is pretty confusing but it’s insanely interesting I love the games but I’m yet to read a book
versed helm
how does anti gravity account for gravity?
fair hazel
gravity manipulation..
versed helm
so......gravity plates
fair hazel
Why plates?
astral pivot
Forerunner tech is very advance so they can break normal laws of physics and gravity
versed helm
cause there's plates underneath the terrain layer of the ring
when you see the ring from outside
the gray plates
if they can break normal laws of physics, no reason they cant have a metal plate generate its own gravity
i mean, they have those in dead space, on the ishimura and the valor
faint stone
frigates use grav plates iirc
hence why they basically float in the atmosphere unless it's all jet fuel
craggy sierra
What was the book that explained how and why truth was playing 5D chess to annex the elites from the covenant?
echo kettle
Here's a video by halo cat that covers the possible arg occurring, or it could just be a good roleplayer, but this dude would have to go pretty far for all this.
https://youtu.be/lkaeloNS0c0
lethal comet
Trolls have gone to greater heights
round comet
whoa
lethal comet
I visited the site myself
No sign of microsoft or 343
I luv bees and iris had bungie and microsoft written all over them
lethal comet
Whick question you answering Lance
stiff creek
I don't think it's an answer to anything, just probably starting a conversation on how Spartans bones seem to break so much.
cedar surge
Yea
hot tartan
True.
nimble crest
I think Douglas gets a pass when his shoulder gets crushed by Atriox, under the compression of a armored suit
versed helm
Whatever happened to Holland after reach
fair hazel
Unknown
versed helm
Ok
cedar surge
Wasn't he in the Paris that got destroyed?
gilded mason
Savannah?
If so, he wasn't. He was still in contact until the start of The Package.
versed helm
Ostral
gilded mason
Yeh?
versed helm
Can I remove the brand of heresey now
gilded mason
lol
light kiln
Now kish.
craggy sierra
Because Bungie decided Halo needed bossfightd
spark lodge
Is there a youtube video of all the console cutscenes from the MCC?
Searching halo console just returns a bunch of xbox stuff
astral pivot
Type In halo terminal videos
stiff creek
storm ore
Anyone know good books to read about the Halo Universe?
nimble crest
Ghosts of onyx
gilded mason
Broken Circle
astral pivot
Question can the Ark Slipspace jump to i know it has portal for earth and halo rings but can whole ark just slipspace somewhere else if needed? Its on edge of galaxy and it ahs room go where ever it wants
fair hazel
why would it end
inner basin
I still wonder about the S-III Gauntlet, Red and Echo teams that were deployed on Reach. I just wish we know more about them
west silo
We bearly even know anything about noble team
dense pulsar
I wouldn't be surprised if they gave us a Noble Team game were you play as Thom
Or Tom
Or whatever his name is
dense pulsar
Ten year announcement?
west silo
The last halo for the next ten years
We will expand on it
Basically were probably gonna be getting a lot of DLC
Destiny style
dense pulsar
Ah
west silo
Ten years is a long time
dense pulsar
You think infinite will try Spartan OPs again?
west silo
I would actually like it
gilded mason
I'd rather something...better
craggy sierra
We bearly even know anything about noble team
I know they’re dead and that’s enough for me.
west silo
If they don't murder the plot half way
astral pivot
i mean if they make it similar to strikes in destiny and doing challenge versions of them give cool rewards it can work out well
dense pulsar
I don't think Halo or console gaming was ready for what they were trying to do with Spartan OPs
west silo
Halo isn't really a destiny type game
cedar surge
Why would noble team get their own game
astral pivot
well make misson akin to theres goal like take target out or steal data but you fight through a base of some kinda akin to destiny not carbon copy of strike
inner basin
If they do SpOps again, all I'm thinking is Spartan Ops... but better. That's what I'm hoping for if they want to give it another go
cedar surge
That's like giving a Spartan team from escalations their own game
dense pulsar
The games as a service thing I mean
cedar surge
Plus
Dead
Deader than regret
Plus what's the point of playing a game of people who are all going to die anyway
inner basin
Well you know, Johnson's dead yet people still ask for a Johnson spin-off...
cedar surge
If he gets a cameo in a past event that's fine
However him getting a full fledged game
Why
dense pulsar
To know more about them, why they're important, what they did before they died etc etc
cedar surge
We know he will live,whatever colony he is on gets glassed,and all his friends die
inner basin
Besides so what if they are dead, there are other ways to add tension. Many franchises have done it before
dense pulsar
I always hoped 343 would make more games about different battles during the Human-Covenant war tbh
cedar surge
Well I don't really see why
dense pulsar
Lance, you say this but people still flocked to Red Dead Redemption 2
cedar surge
The HCW lore massively outnumbered the post war lore
west silo
Would you want games about the past arbiters?
dense pulsar
An entire game were you know who the bad guys are, who dies, and who makes it
nimble crest
OPs?
cedar surge
They are not a single character who's fate is already decided
They are hundreds of individuals
west silo
But whats the point we know there all going to die
dense pulsar
Thats the majority of the cast tho Lance
inner basin
Why have a game about the Arbiters, "we already knew they're going to die"
dense pulsar
John Marston? You know at some point he's betrayed
Arthur Morgan? You know at some point he dies
dense pulsar
Its the same for the rest of the crew
west silo
Jet stream Sam?
Anyone
dense pulsar
Yea, we know whats going to happen to them but we want to know more about them and how they fit into the world
nimble crest
Why have any game? The characters will eventually die. You can still make the games.
west silo
Sometimes Its the journey not destination
dense pulsar
Exactly Spartan
I fully expect Chief to die during Infinite but will that stop me from playing the game? No
nimble crest
I doubt it
inner basin
Yeah, I don't think Chief will be killed off in Infinite, especially if it's a jump-in point for new fans
nimble crest
Fr
cedar surge
Maybe when the series ends
dense pulsar
I think they're going to port MCC to series X
nimble crest
In 10 years
cedar surge
Which is going to take a while
dense pulsar
Kill Chief in Infinite
cedar surge
Why?
dense pulsar
Rest of Halo games are CaC Spartans
nimble crest
CaC?
cedar surge
Kill for the sake of shock value?
dense pulsar
Create a character
west silo
Ocs?
cedar surge
Yea mista
dense pulsar
Yes
west silo
Well chief is pretty drained now
cedar surge
Killing for the sake of killing is bad
nimble crest
I really don’t think they will if it’s supposed to be a point where fans come in
dense pulsar
Not necessarily shock value but as a conclusion to his story
west silo
From gears
cedar surge
Chief retire
dense pulsar
Chief EXPECTS to die fighting
west silo
Subvert expectations
dense pulsar
Not really. Whats Chief gonna retire to do?
dense pulsar
He missed out on his developmental years
west silo
Not die
dense pulsar
He's been in constant conflict for 30 years
inner basin
I'd like for a H3 ending (minus the Legendary ending) for Infinite. Chief is thought KIA (listed MIA), but it's implied he's alive
cedar surge
They even got kids
dense pulsar
Yea, but probably not Chief. Someone tells him to relax and he's immediately out on a mission again. He goes to an award ceremony in armor instead of dress uniform
Chief is far beyond being able to wind back
west silo
Just don't make it a the nwxt generations thing
west silo
U know chiefs totally awesome kids going on adventures
dense pulsar
Yea thats pretty lazy imo
cedar surge
Oh boi I would hate that
west silo
Eww
nimble crest
Please no
west silo
That physical hurts me
cedar surge
This ain't a shonen
dense pulsar
Its just an excuse to make a younger version of a character
west silo
Its happened to wolfenstein
inner basin
The way they did it with Rion Forge though. That was awesome
west silo
It really didn't work
dense pulsar
I already know the conflict for son of chief
cedar surge
well beast he is a side character
dense pulsar
"Everyone expects me to be like my dad"
cedar surge
Oh boi I can imagine it now
west silo
And it wasn't a FPS game
dense pulsar
"Lmao you're not the chief you'll never be"
inner basin
Doesn't matter, it's still a point to be made
dense pulsar
"I'll show them when i do master chief things"
cedar surge
Chiefs kid is angry at him and steals his armor and runs to the insurrection
Because family issues = treason
west silo
" become better than the chief"
dense pulsar
Son of Jun sounds more plausible to me
nimble crest
Impossible
west silo
And chief ends up dying in a completely avoidable situation
cedar surge
And then he reveals his super secret neural physics powers that nobody new about to destroy all of ONI
Or in a plot twist
dense pulsar
@west silo so now Halo is Last of Us 2?
cedar surge
Chief jumps in front of a plasma shot to save his son like they always do
dense pulsar
An angry brute comes out with a hammer, starts smashing Chief
west silo
All along
cedar surge
And character bashing
dense pulsar
Son of Chief has to watch
astral pivot
arent spartans sterile?
nimble crest
Eshrum and Chief die in a battle that saved all human survivors on the ring and kills the brutes
No
dense pulsar
Not necessarily
cedar surge
And then in the next game chiefs son has a Haram and destroys all the unsc with neural physics
Just a repressed sexual drive
west silo
And then chiefs son has a elite girlfriend because why not
nimble crest
What halo spin off games would you guys want?
west silo
Ohh and then they have a kid
dense pulsar
The Elite girlfriend is also the Arbiter
cedar surge
And then his son white knights all species into one galactic government like they always do to fight the flood
gilded mason
You mean boyfriend.
west silo
And name her
Cortana
dense pulsar
@nimble crest Paper Mario Halo type game
No
Master Chief has a daughter
Names her Cortana
cedar surge
And then later it turns out its the forerunners pulling the strings so they fight them too
dense pulsar
Immediately goes rampant
west silo
And then they realise chief was the cause of everything
And then go back in time to kill him
cedar surge
And then chiefs ghosrspats him on the back as he ascends
dense pulsar
Every family photo has Chief with the helmet but casual clothes
west silo
Now that's funny
dense pulsar
"Sorry dad i want to be like Noble 6 when I grow up"
nimble crest
I saw you standing at your ship
Armored hand on armored hip
Both my hearts began to pound so lovely what I found
I love your brightly shining armor
Human named commander Palmer
I wish that we-
west silo
Its takes them 20 books before anything interesting happens
cedar surge
Fought in a bloody duel
inner basin
@west silo so now Halo is Last of Us 2?
Don't remind me of that game and all of the stuff it included just to appease everyone but in the end appeased very little of it's own fans
nimble crest
Is halo retribution good?
dense pulsar
Halo really could have ripped the FF7 story
west silo
Yes
dense pulsar
"Yea, I was a Spartan"
cedar surge
Freedom fighters 7?
west silo
It is good
cedar surge
Oh wait final fantasy 7
dense pulsar
"No. You weren't a Spartan. You weren't even ODST bro. You were just a normal marine"
nimble crest
Horror flood game
dense pulsar
head clutching
west silo
Chief with a big sword
nimble crest
Head hunters
cedar surge
Chief holding a sword the size of a Paris frigate cause the power of friendship
west silo
Don't remind me of that game and all of the stuff it included just to appease everyone but in the end appeased very little of it's own fans
@inner basin
Hey do u love stupid retcons well ur gonna love this game
cedar surge
And a love triangle between him,cortana,and palmer
inner basin
Really surprised 343 haven't made a game on a Headhunter operation(s)
dense pulsar
That would be kinda cool
cedar surge
Well yea
dense pulsar
Could play like MGS V or Hitman
west silo
Chief holding a sword the size of a Paris frigate cause the power of friendship
@cedar surge
Hey now that's just fairy tale
cedar surge
The universe could be much bigger than it is now
Oh yea
Chief gets power washed by a hunters
And gets out with a few scratches
west silo
Well that did happen
cedar surge
Saying that he is almost dead
nimble crest
A game comprised of standalone missions about different missions and fights
west silo
Nope he didn't even say a word
cedar surge
Fist fight with a brute pls
inner basin
Fist fight with a brute pls
We saw one with an Elite in SpOps
cedar surge
I'm talking about how fairy tale does this thing where characters barely take any actual damage
dense pulsar
ODST game about infiltrating a snow planet to stop innies from launching metal gear
cedar surge
And at worst get a red scar
dense pulsar
You play as NotSnake
west silo
Or the power of friendship saves the day
west silo
You play as NotSnake
@dense pulsar
But as liquidous chief
nimble crest
Swamp combat
cedar surge
Elite game where we are a elite farmer learning how to make food
west silo
Who is a clone of solid chief
cedar surge
And we go into caves to study ancient texts to learn farming techniques
dense pulsar
They're both clones of Big Chief
nimble crest
Halo no mans sky
dense pulsar
Grunt Farmer mobile ads
cedar surge
And at the center of the universe
nimble crest
Galaxy
dense pulsar
I could see Elites actually doing something like the Hunger games
nimble crest
Planet for a map game but you play as a leckgolo
dense pulsar
"Whos clan is the best clan. We'll find out in a battle royale"
cedar surge
Well mista
west silo
Alien vs predator but with elites
cedar surge
You would have to not starve first
Since both brutes and elites are starving
Because of their own stupidity
Elite vs headhunter
nimble crest
Brute game where you eat grunts
dense pulsar
Spore type game but you play as the Precursors
nimble crest
Palace of pain game
west silo
Dead by dayldaylight halo edition
cedar surge
Red faction guerilla where you take the viewpoint of a innies on veniza
dense pulsar
Dark Souls halo type game. You're a forerunner and you have to cleanse your planet of flood
cedar surge
And have to chase the unsc off veniza
west silo
Total annihilation halo game set during the forerunner flood war
nimble crest
Sigmus Octanus game because we hear so much about it
cedar surge
Halo space combat game
dense pulsar
Mass Effect x Halo crossover
cedar surge
Like star wars squadrons
dense pulsar
The reapers and flood team up
cedar surge
Why would they
cedar surge
Wouldn't the flood try to assimilate the dealers?
dense pulsar
It'd probably be the Created tho
cedar surge
Just with different tranchcoats
nimble crest
Cyberpunk type game set in new Alexandria
dense pulsar
You're doing hacker stuff
nimble crest
Or Mombasa
west silo
And it would fit halo
dense pulsar
But then you see a guy in the default spartan 3 armor hovering behind you
Its Noble 6
west silo
Just less body modifications
cedar surge
Man imagine playing a pelican pilot and the second a Spartan steps onto your dropship you get shot down
nimble crest
Alpha 9 prequel on reach
cedar surge
It would make me feel like brohammer
dense pulsar
A game about avoiding headhunters
cedar surge
So a grunt game then
west silo
A flood simulator game
cedar surge
Horror game from perspective of a grunt as a headhunter with alien lvl AI picks off the crew of the ship you are on
west silo
Take over an entire planet in a set amount of time
west silo
Isn't that just deadspace
cedar surge
Stellaris but with ONI
nimble crest
Mombasa streets game but as a marine in a downed pelican
west silo
Halo odst
cedar surge
Louder jazz
west silo
Less jazz
west silo
More flip
cedar surge
Less flip
west silo
This is ur history
cedar surge
It should be destroyed along with reach
How much of human history was erased by the covenant would you say
cedar surge
I was making the joke the marine made
inner basin
How about you ask them real nice next Lance. I'm sure they'll be happy to oblige
dense pulsar
Halo game but you're an AI whos bored and wants to mess with the internet so you start leaking videos of Spartans
cedar surge
And then instantly get clapped by ONI AI
cedar surge
Oh wait
dense pulsar
"Sorry ONI. I plead insanity"
cedar surge
I Remeber something dumb
dense pulsar
"Rampancy bro"
west silo
Wait didn't cortana ruin someones life just for fun
cedar surge
Of lasky somehow hacking into ONI
west silo
Ackerson
cedar surge
And watching a video on spartans
west silo
Yep
dense pulsar
Yea
cedar surge
That felt so dumb
nimble crest
What would a oni ai smart ai be a brain copy of? Clinton? Always rubbing people out ?
dense pulsar
And then the Covenant shows up
cedar surge
They always do
dense pulsar
And so does a Spartan
west silo
He did try to kill chief
cedar surge
Turns out there was a energy sword inside
west silo
He had it coming
nimble crest
Game where you are a plasma rifle
west silo
Turns out there was a energy sword inside
@cedar surge
An not a plasma grenade
Nooobbbb
dense pulsar
You're a UNSC commander and you don't like the Chief so you try to think of ways to get him sent to Captain's Mast
nimble crest
Used by covenant the chief and the flood
cedar surge
The unsc should sue the covenant for damages
What rude guys demolishing colonies like that
west silo
I wonder how much a colony cost
dense pulsar
"Sorry Grunts. We've decided to use you guys as slave labor to rebuild our colonies"
cedar surge
@west silo hhundreds of billions?
That is a entire planet your losing
Cities,mines,farms
Nuclear testing facilities
All very important needed stuff
dense pulsar
Plus if it was glassed
You have to fix the atmosphere and surface
Terraform it again
cedar surge
Atmosphere meh
dense pulsar
Maybe crash some ice meteors into the planet to get water on it
cedar surge
Gotta get used to breathing glass
Plus
How bad can it be
You just gotta put on a environmentally sealed suit every day
The IoM get much worse
west silo
Well duh its the iom
nimble crest
CBRN cqc helmets
west silo
There fighting over which year it is
dense pulsar
PoV: you're a flood infection form and you see a dead elite
west silo
I think I'll take infect for 1000 mista
nimble crest
POV: your a elite with sleep paralysis on high charity in 2552 and see the in amber clad come out of slip space inside
west silo
POV : ur a unsc marine on alpha halo and the pilliar of autumn starts smoking
dense pulsar
PoV: You're the prophet of regret and you're on 005 and you see a big green guy running towards you
nimble crest
POV: you’re some random ape on the ark and see a pelican in the window of the control room
west silo
POV: your a brute chieftain in New mombasa and you hear jazz music
cedar surge
Plot twist
nimble crest
POV: you are a measly police officer and you just got yeeted by a grav hammer
cedar surge
The entire halo universe is just a metaphor for a teenager becoming a adult
dense pulsar
PoV: You're a Spartan-III but you're going to take part in Operation Torpedo
west silo
POV: you are a measly police officer and you just got yeeted by a grav hammer
@nimble crest
But in another timeline u try to kill an odst
nimble crest
Different cop literally the same model
west silo
You sure
nimble crest
Yep 🤨