That’s true
#lore-and-universe
cedar surge
Well the unsc was being dumb for trying to put the power of a Spartan in a suit into the human body
inner basin
But they were thinking about the efficiency. I mean not that it matters now considering they pumped out GEN2 armour left, right and centre shortly after
round comet
you mean the flood juggernauts?
queen cedar
yup
inner basin
They're Flood combat forms fused together that essentially commanded local units, basically a key mind IIRC
queen cedar
ok
inner basin
They aren't pure forms? Huh, I always kinda thought they were. Let me edit that real quick then
humble yacht
The juggernaut form is a super combat form, but there is another form (the Abomination) that acts as a mobile keymind
They look similar
inner basin
That's probably what I'm getting confused on. Flood lore always has been confusing. Once you think you got it nailed down (pre-HW2) everything changes
prisma root
yo beast my brother asked me this question and now i'm wondering
if gravemind teleported us into high charity
isn't he our ally
why did the flood still try to kill us?
inner basin
No, he was using Chief
queen cedar
he tricked us
humble yacht
Because once truth got away it didn’t matter anymore
inner basin
Because once truth got away it didn’t matter anymore
*Tartarus. He was given the index and told to activate I-05
queen cedar
he used us to distract the covenant right?
prisma root
we fought the flood even b4 truth left
humble yacht
The level the Gravemind is when you’re chasing truth
inner basin
Hang on, did we encounter Flood before the cutscene where Truth gave the Index to Tartarus or not. If yes, then my correction is wrong
prisma root
no we did not
inner basin
Oh, so my correction stands then
humble yacht
We don’t encounter flood until after Truth and Tartarus board their phantoms
prisma root
we encounter them only when amber clad crashes at high charity
humble yacht
At that time we didn’t know the flood had the ship
And they didn’t attack us at that time
humble yacht
I guess my memory is just good
prisma root
you prolly played the campaign a hundred times
inner basin
I think H2 is my least played FPS campaign
prisma root
CE is my least played campaign
humble yacht
I’ve only played through h2 a few times but it’s a memorable game
inner basin
Or maybe
I guess my memory is just good
unique rune
Halo Wars is my least played
mostly because I suck at RTS games and can’t get past Arcadia City
unique rune
yeah
I’m still pretty bad at that
cedar surge
im bad at rts but i love it
prisma root
rts is confusing
cedar surge
like i lose in like 30 minutes of DoW dark crusade
and i stugle in EaW
i liked that in HW you fought the covenant on two clonies
wait i have a question
so the unsc can clone organs no problem right
can they build a full clone pice by piece?
inner basin
It sounds like so many things could go wrong doing that
cedar surge
like what?
humble yacht
I bet you imagine it like just grow 2 arms, 2 legs, a torso and a head and sew them all together, huh?
humble yacht
Halsey made her new organs and performed surgery
terse lava
Yeah they arent forerunners who could pull that crap off
jolly swift
Phase 1 of Spartan 1s all died though
except for him
cedar surge
@jolly swift jJohnson was part of phase two,not one
Everybody in phase 1 died,phase two of Orion is where Johnson came in
cedar surge
literally master chief
jolly swift
yeah
I'm wondering who outranks who since they're separate branches
Chief is navy, Johnson is marines
inner basin
Well they're both NCOs so that makes it harder to determine who outranks who
dense pulsar
Whats Johnson's actual rank?
west loom
Legend
jolly swift
Sergeant Major
humble yacht
MCPO is a higher rank than sergeant major
It’s like the absolute highest enlisted rank achievable
dense pulsar
In the Navy
jolly swift
honestly Chief doesn't really need to follow orders
who's gonna stop him?
Spartan Locke?
but he's polite so he does what he's asked
dense pulsar
I mean
As a Master Chief, not following orders isn't an example you want to set for the people actually under your command
jolly swift
but he's Master Chief
people are gonna follow him regardless
in the Halo universe he's easily the greatest hero humanity has ever had
deep pewter
I’m sure there’s numerous spartans willing to bring John in if they had to
jolly swift
personally I think he is
he's proven himself to be, if not more capable than any other spartan, then more successful
deep pewter
He’s luckier
humble yacht
He was in the right places at the right times
deep pewter
Pretty much any other Spartan II is shown to be better in some way
jolly swift
but Master Chief has something no other Spartan has
humble yacht
Plot armor
jolly swift
he has someone pulling the strings who can keep trying again and again
unless he gets beaten in a cutscene
humble yacht
If you’re talking about the player then how do you account for failed attempts?
cedar surge
The failed attempts out number the actual successes 3:1
humble yacht
What if every attempt is its own reality
Think of all the realities that died because Chief died
humble yacht
By that logic even some of the successful attempts aren’t canon
cedar surge
Then why are you mentioning the "person who pulls the strings" aka the player
jolly swift
because if we were to fail we can just reload and try again until we win
that's how I interpret Chief's "luck" atleast
humble yacht
Every checkpoint reload is a universe you leave to die
jolly swift
fair point
cedar surge
He fought his way through new mombasa all alone fighting against the covenant back to his team
humble yacht
Well he was sneaky sneaky for most of it
jolly swift
did he canonically sneak or fight?
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cedar surge
So did the rest of alpha 9 question rookie?
They were together or with at least 1 other person
jolly swift
it'd be of no use lmao
cedar surge
He ain't a mute right
jolly swift
I haven't read the book he's in so I can't say
humble yacht
He’s mute now 😉
jolly swift
plot twist: he's deaf and every time someone talks at him his reaction is him trying to convey "I can't read your lips through your helmet"
NO
gilded mason
That was Dutch's dialogue from the first cutscene
west silo
Oh
Well that's okay
Does anyone else feel like the halo grenade launcher is extremely primitive especially for something 500 years in the future
west silo
A single shot grenade launcher?
spiral jewel
I got to thinking, there probably were a few Spartan 2 and 3's who's dreamt about becoming soldiers when they were adults, but lady luck answered their dreams several decades too early
west silo
We have rapid fire grenade launchers better than that
I got to thinking, there probably were a few Spartan 2 and 3's who's dreamt about becoming soldiers when they were adults, but lady luck answered their dreams several decades too early
@spiral jewel
Well I guess they got there wish before they even made it
cedar surge
well if the boom makes up for the number of shots then
west silo
How powerful is the grenade launcher?
delicate notch
About 11
west silo
?
unique rune
at least 2
carmine sleet
Does anyone else feel like the halo grenade launcher is extremely primitive especially for something 500 years in the future
If a concept ain't broken, no need to fix it
jolly swift
So what's the first time we hear about Spartan 3's?
deep pewter
Ghosts of onyx
humble yacht
It’s not primitive when the payload can bounce like a rubber ball, has an EMP effect, and is controlled remotely by the launcher
cedar surge
There are also done shotguns that have more rounds than the unsc shothun
Does that make it primitive?
Plus with any weapon there's a chance you will miss
west silo
Nah the shotgun is also pretty outdated
It just makes up for it with power
And we'll it probably still go in close quarters combat
cedar surge
plus the grenade launcher can bounce its shot and has emp effects
i don't think we have anything like that
plus
holograms
inner basin
I love the holograms. In Halo Reach you can trick the Brutes so they turn around and then you bend their back so you can stick a knife in it (killing them)
sharp adder
i love holgrms made 5 grunts suicde
faint stone
be rookie
get brains blown out because mickey got sadboi moment
then be buck
cortana attack ono
forgive mickey
the end
die offscreen
cedar surge
i like the image of a spartan tricking a bunch of elites with holograms and then killing them
inner basin
I sometimes do it to Spec Ops Elites
cedar surge
Oh hey
If gammas can't feel pain does that mean they could stay in control when infected by the flood?
midnight gust
3s?
gilded mason
It's not only a matter of pain
midnight gust
sorry, i am not up to date with the lore
gilded mason
Flood will take control, with or without you physically feelin' it
inner basin
The Flood infection forms take control of the body by killing the host. I guess the Gammas don’t have to suffer through that pain though (if they were to ever be infected)
midnight gust
yeah, as long as it has a nervous system
cedar surge
So for example if one gets assimilated into a prototype gracemind
Would the torture it includes on Keyes work on a gamma
inner basin
Hard to tell if you ask me
midnight gust
can someone pls explain gamma?
cedar surge
Third group of Spartan 3s
midnight gust
oh
gilded mason
I don't think Keyes had any say in anything. The Flood already had his memories and he was helpless to prevent it.
cedar surge
They have a augmentation that allows them to not feel pain
inner basin
I don't think Keyes had any say in anything. The Flood already had his memoires and he was helpless to prevent it.
I think Lance is asking if the Gammas would go through the excruciating pain that Keyes went through
midnight gust
thx
cedar surge
That's what I'm asking about
Gammas don't have any treasured memories like Keyes had and won't feel the pain of assimilation
gilded mason
Oh. I thought you were asking if Gammas stay in control their bodies after assimilation, based on what you said earlier.
main mountain
they still have fond memories, friends and what not
they would just be really pissed off flood without soothers
inner basin
Well they would be dead, so that effect likely wouldn’t be passed on
opal birch
If a concept ain't broken, no need to fix it
but there are better grenade launchers types than a break action, single shot launcher
gilded mason
And I imagine Flood can fairly easily alter biological chemistry
main mountain
And I imagine Flood can fairly easily alter bioloigcal chemistry
probably, but im not sure if they would want to undo the augmentations
gilded mason
I'm just saying that anything the Flood would consider a negative, they'd get rid of.
inner basin
The Flood could probably keep most of the augmentations while taking away the illegal brain augmentation that slowly drives the Gammas crazy without smoothers
dense pulsar
What are some things the UNSC trains the Spartans on?
I figure stuff like don't take your helmet off
cedar surge
How to beat a innies with a frying pan
Oh and how to not get shot by plasma
And how not to die falling from orbit
And how to drive vehicles
And to worship ONI
marsh hazel
Does anyone know the hidden Easter eggs that are still unsolved to this day on halo 3 ODST? Something to the with the hidden Glyphs
There only about 4 people that know about it from the original developers that’s stated
any discovery’s?
dense pulsar
I've heard they're connected to Destiny
lapis jetty
Question on Halo 3's story, when the message from Cortana is read on the elite ship just before they go to the ark, Cortana mentions a solution to the flood that doesn't require killing all life. What solution is she referring to? If she's referring to what actually happens in the game, then she's referring to activating the ark with the flood on it. So was her solution based on the assumption that the gravemind would take high charity to the ark instead of literally anywhere else? If the gravemind send high charity to say, earth or something, this solution wouldn't have worked? Am I understanding this correctly?
craggy sierra
Hi, welcome to Halo 3’s writing. It’s not the series high point.
versed helm
Does anyone know the hidden Easter eggs that are still unsolved to this day on halo 3 ODST? Something to the with the hidden Glyphs
cant wait till i play 3
lapis jetty
I suppose the grave mind was forced to go to the ark given the threat of the Halo array being activated again but then the begs the question of how did the grave mind discover the ark? Maybe found some records on it or someone it infected knew about it. Then the question is how did high charity get there. I see what you mean about the writing lol
cedar surge
A hundred thousand years ago the gravemind fought the forerunners at the ark
So he would know the location
And he didn't somehow have to go through the portal
He opened a portal at mars
gilded mason
What solution is she referring to?
Petra actually thought about that in her short story.
Was she talking about the replacement ring? Absolutely possible; she was obviously knowledgeable about the Portal and where it led, so perfectly reasonable that she could have known there was another Halo installation. Technically, it wouldn’t involve firing the “rings” plural, right?
Could the Ark have been a weapon? Details are fairly sketchy—OK, very sketchy—but as the mother of all Forerunner artifacts, it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Although it was meant as a fallback position to fire the Halo rings from, so why would you need to fire them at all if the Ark itself possessed a weapon that could stop the Flood?
Or…
With a surly stab, Petra quickly toggled the holopad off. The “or” was what she knew with certainty would keep her sleeping hours to a minimum for the foreseeable future. “Or” couldn’t be bargained with, it wouldn’t get bored and run off to play with its little friends, it wasn’t going to show up at her door at 11 P.M. a week from now claiming it was all a big misunderstanding. The only cure for “or” was to find out what the hell the little glowstick was on about. If there was some other instrument of destruction Cortana had set her sights on to use against the nigh-undefeatable Flood…well, that certainly wasn’t going to be a footnote, now, was it?
cedar surge
Although the SoS destroyed all flood infected ships there was basically nothing stopping the gravemind from crashing onto any major city
So why didn't cortana blow up IAC's reactor?
west silo
Flood stopped her somehow
lapis jetty
Opened a portal at mars? That's interesting, where did you read that?
gilded mason
It was explained in a Canon Fodder and some other place.
jovial marlin
Alright guys I got an important question. Do you guys think in lore a monkey (not a brute) could activate forerunner tech such as a halo ring? Sense monkeys are related to people?
primal kestrel
gilded mason
Nah. The geas is only in certain humans, nothin' else
Monkeys diverged long before the geas was introduced
cedar surge
What are the conditions for certain people to have the geas
gilded mason
I guess they gotta be descended from those who the Librarian originally gave imprints to?
gilded mason
He was asked by Jun.
gilded mason
He's a SIV recruiter
lethal comet
And chief of staff of spartan branch
cedar surge
So in that cutscene in 2 where chief had two prophets at gunpoint
What was stooping him from shooting?
He was going to fight anyway
gilded mason
Energy shielding would probably hamper things
versed helm
so would an empty clip
dense pulsar
Well
How strong are the shields?
Chief had to physically punch one in the neck to kill them cause of shields
tidal junco
So. I finally went through h3 legendary and read all the terminals.
Does medicant bias just like feel bad? And that's the only reason he tried to help?
main siren
Yes. That's the whole reason why he wanted to help the Chief. He wanted to atone for his crimes
And well... let's just say his road to atonement did have some bumps.
main siren
His personality construct array was taken to the Ark after his defeat. He got sentenced to an eternal exile with atonement as the only thought allowed to him, then entombed beneath the desert of the Ark
There's also the whole fact how he got involved in the later events of the Halo universe, buts its a long story
stark fern
ok this will sound stupid, but it's a genuine question. How do the Spartans... "eject waste"?
versed helm
recycled into water. I'd imagine the food/nutritional packs, like most military food, are designed to remain in the system for as long as possible
stiff creek
lethal comet
Just hope its the sangheili and not xenomorphs from alien
cedar surge
how do elites view non spartans?
non spartans are not as tall,tough,or durable as actual spartans
so where prelates the only covenant warriors augmented?
jolly swift
were elites augmented? I just assumed that's how they are as a species
cedar surge
yes thats how elites normally are
cedar surge
so where were the other species during the forerunner era?
oh wait origions shows them all as primitives
versed helm
yep
young mortar
Wait so everyday normal elites were also augmented, that's what your saying
versed helm
no. prelates were augmented san shyuum
jolly swift
ohhhhhhhhhhh
versed helm
sangheili are the way they are. no augs there
jolly swift
I thought they just mispelled elites
young mortar
Oh thank god, I thought I missed an important lore detail, you confused me 0verlord
So this question has probably been asked before, but
-would comparing chief to xytan 'Jar be like comparing a marine to a spartan or would chief manage to stand his own against him or even kill xytan, I don't think so but I would like clarification on how good a chance chief has against xytan
versed helm
xytan was that super zealous fleetmaster who got exiled for being so zealous, if im not wrong
idk..........
young mortar
Yes
versed helm
im betting chief would manage to stand
versed helm
chief has the trademark chief luck
and he's taken down hunter pairs alone
but xyatan was a crafty one
young mortar
Yes that's why I though he might stand a chance
versed helm
thats why it would be a tough fight
young mortar
It would be interesting to see a cutscene of it
versed helm
it would be. but xytan went supernova. so, probably wont happen
young mortar
Yea that's true all due to that curious engineer and grunt
inner basin
I think Chief could stand up to Xytan. He’s easily strong enough and can use Xytan’s height to his advantage
jolly swift
"how's the weather up there"
Xytan dies instantly
cedar surge
so the prophets exiled xytan because he believed too much in the religion?
inner basin
I think it was likely due to his influence. He achieved one of the highest rank a Sanghelli can get in the Covenant’s Navy
He had enough influence to even threaten the Hierarchs. He was probably claimed to be “Zealous” by the Prophets and that’s why he was exiled
cedar surge
why not turn into a arbiter
prisma root
what does zealous mean?
lethal comet
why not turn into a arbiter
That would require a massive screw up
lethal comet
And his skills are probably better used in naval battles
cedar surge
would covenant fleetmasters have thaat good skills?
wouln't all they have to do is just have their massive fleet show up to destroy the unsc fleet
cedar surge
yea unsc tactics
and super macs
so they were afraid of xytan rising up since he was a great warrior
and influence
like atriox
would it make sense for other species to have something like the arbiter
rank of shame
humble yacht
the Covenant were the ones who turned the status of Arbiter into a symbol of atonement
original Sangheili culture had the Arbiter as a leadership position, combining a judge with a king
jolly swift
one thing that kinda gets my goat is how Halo falls prey to the Species of Many Hats trope
like, ALL the Elites are supposed to be super honorable
humble yacht
Ripa also didn't carry an aura of honor
jolly swift
and Kig Yar are supposed to be a species of pirates
humble yacht
pirates and mercs, yes
jolly swift
I just really don't like in sci fi when a species has one single specialization
i.e. Bothans being the best spies
humble yacht
it's difficult to flesh out every species to the same degree as humans
jolly swift
true true, but it's just a really annoying trope IMO
but honestly that's just a super common sci fi trope so I'm not gonna blame Halo for falling into it
if something has aliens they usually follow it
at least Halo is really good about not having planets be all one biome like Star Wars
humble yacht
true
jolly swift
even the artificial worlds have a variety of climates and biomes
but also why are there pine trees on an artificial ring world created a hundred thousand years ago by aliens
are pine trees Forerunner?
have we been putting up and decorating Forerunner trees every Christmas?
inner basin
I just really don't like in sci fi when a species has one single specialization
Don't let Ostral here you saying that Elites only really have one specialisation
humble yacht
well the forerunners knew about earth so maybe they just liked the flora there
jolly swift
it just gets my goat when a species is generalized as exactly the same as each other in every regard
again, not a Halo thing, it's just a sci fi trope I detest
Santa is a Forerunner
humble yacht
well when you look at alien races vs humans, alien races often have a degree of unity that humans don't share
seems like in sci fi, the diversity of the human race is correlated with its penchant for war
jolly swift
sings Kumbaya in Sangheili
humble yacht
seems like humans do more infighting than other races
humble yacht
maybe this trope is a treaty by the authors on all the animosity humans have against each other both historically and even today
cedar surge
well not all jackals and skirmishers are pirates
jolly swift
humans should become Elites
cedar surge
some actually believe in the covenant
there was a skirmisher scientst before she became jam on the floor
its that a lot of them are pirates
and slavers
humble yacht
i mean, in halo we only focus on the military side of humanity, but it's not like all humans are soldiers
cedar surge
yea
humble yacht
when was the last game that gave insight into the civilian experience in the 26th century?
where's my Halo: Office Worker game?
cedar surge
we do see some civilian side sometimes but primarily we see the fighting forces of factons going at each oter
thats something star wars does good
showing the galaxy is a fully living galaxy
and not just militaries
maybe the tv show can offer that
humble yacht
nah, the TV show seems like it's going to be focused very much on the military side of things
based on the setting and the cast
inner basin
seems like humans do more infighting than other races
Are we forgetting the Jiralhanae?
cedar surge
nuked themselves to the stone age
humble yacht
well yeah but they're called Brutes
cedar surge
oh wait that should mean there was scientist jiralhanae
humble yacht
imagine craig in a lab coat and glasses
cedar surge
or it could just be them smashing things togehter to find out what happens
but don't we do that too?
round comet
are they THAT dumb
cedar surge
well no
its just most brutes we seen arre not the foward thinking types
well at least before the banished
the banished got smart brutes under atriox's command
humble yacht
i don't think you accidentally discover nuclear fission
round comet
the banished got smart brutes under atriox's command
then awaken the nightmare happened 
round comet
i don't think you accidentally discover nuclear fission
what are you talking about man we did it that way
humble yacht
nah, that discovery came about from years of research and modelling
even if the result was not expected, people were purposefully trying to make something happen
it's not like they smashed two rocks together and made an explosion
inner basin
I wonder if we will ever be able to artificially create nuclear fusion
humble yacht
we already have nuclear fusion
inner basin
We do? Like IRL. I know it occurs on stars, but can we artificially create that
humble yacht
fusion requires alot of energy tho
the theoretical thing we want to get to is cold fusion
inner basin
What's the difference between the fusion we have now and cold fusion?
inner basin
Which wouldn't require as much energy
cedar surge
and the unsc got that
humble yacht
so you have the power output of a sun without the destructive temperature
humble yacht
vacuum energy is what the forerunners used
it's purely fictional
well, in halo it is
the whole bit about consuming the energy of fledging universes is pure fiction
cedar surge
i like it better when halo focuses on less magical stuff
round comet
it's not like they smashed two rocks together and made an explosion
i was not serious there
humble yacht
well there is an argument that all discoveries are accidental but I don't like to think of it that way
cedar surge
could the unsc do something with holograms like making their fleets look bigger than they really are?
humble yacht
sometimes we discover things unintentionally. like penicillin.
round comet
of course.
could the unsc do something with holograms like making their fleets look bigger than they really are?
uhhhhhhhhhh, no?
maybe?
humble yacht
could the unsc do something with holograms like making their fleets look bigger than they really are?
I imagine that wouldn't work against modern scanning technology
a hologram would only be able to fool against visualization by the eye
but telemetry would tell you nothing was actually there
cedar surge
so did humanity get any diseases from the covenant or vice versa?
round comet
oh, yeah the scanners exist
so did humanity get any diseases from the covenant or vice versa?
nope as far as i know.
cedar surge
with the amount of eating humans or getting blood on their armor the covenant should have got a few
inner basin
so did humanity get any diseases from the covenant or vice versa?
As far as we know, no. I remember Major Smith trying to pass the Flood infection of as a "disease" initially to the Marines in The Mona Lisa short though
cinder lava
Yeah nobody really tried "War of The Worlds"ing it, the most we got in terms of Bioweapons & Diseases in Halo as far as I can remember atm is that stuff that happened in Nightfall 
inner basin
Obviously they later caught on to his lie
cedar surge
i refuse that thing in nightfall
it is the most contrived bio weapon
that somehow only harms humans
using a new element
humble yacht
i wonder if the UNSC ever considered trying to release ebola or something on Sangheilios
cinder lava
Well that could be why don't get Bioweapons in Halo since we seen what happens 😅
cedar surge
found on the exploded ring
inner basin
i wonder if the UNSC ever considered trying to release ebola or something on Sangheilios
How about COVID even?
jolly swift
I'm so glad this is the direction we took this in
humble yacht
biological warfare is outlawed by the geneva convention but that really only applies to human vs human war
round comet
i wonder if the UNSC ever considered trying to release ebola or something on Sangheilios
genius war strategy
jolly swift
so are flamethrowers
humble yacht
not sure if geneva convention applies to humans vs aliens
cedar surge
well wouldnt have the UEG eradicated most viruses by then?
round comet
not sure if geneva convention applies to humans vs aliens
what does
humble yacht
they would hold onto samples for continued study
cedar surge
did they have any part in the making of the geneva convention?
round comet
no?
inner basin
not sure if geneva convention applies to humans vs aliens
If the Aliens are not allies and are most definitely hostile, I doubt it
humble yacht
geneva convention is simply a list of rules of engagement agreed upon by a collective of countries
i imagine that those rules would still be in place by 26th century
inner basin
Lance the Geneva convention is something that exists in our world today
cedar surge
yes i know
inner basin
did they have any part in the making of the geneva convention?
Then why'd you ask this?
cedar surge
im sayng as a joke did they have any part in the making
round comet
yeah no most likely, it doesnt apply to aliens
cedar surge
im clearly bad at making that clear
round comet
reaction perms 😔
cedar surge
well maybe the unsc signed a agreement with the elites to not commit warcrimes?
jolly swift
the UNSC uses flamethrowers in combat
clearly the Geneva Conventions are out the window
inner basin
Flamethrowers didn't see massive (if any) use against the Innies as far as we can tell
humble yacht
ONI tried to genetically alter crops against the Elites but afaik that was off the books
round comet
the flamethrower was u s e l e s s
jolly swift
but nonetheless, incendiary weapons are against the Geneva Conventions
so when it comes to fighting the Covenant war crimes don't matter
humble yacht
can't be inhumane against a non human
wait, that's not true
Humane Society exists
inner basin
Well when the very existence of your race is at stakes, I think war crimes don't matter, especially against hostile alien races
cedar surge
Flamethrower-armed personnel are not particularly common within the United Nations Space Command. As Hellbringers are deployed to engage only the most heavily entrenched enemies, these Marines tend to suffer heavy casualties.[1] As with all UNSC personnel who utilize flamethrowers in combat, Hellbringers are subjected to a battery of psychological analyses to determine their mental fitness for the role.[6] Hellbringers are generally regarded as brave, and "crazier" than mos
jolly swift
but any use of incendiary weapons in warfare is a warcrime
round comet
Well when the very existence of your race is at stakes, I think war crimes don't matter, especially against hostile alien races
do the spartan 3s count as a war crime.
cedar surge
Regardless, Hellbringers have proven effective at neutralizing dug-in Covenant forces and sterilizing Flood infestations
jolly swift
honestly if ONI is involved it's a war crime
round comet
honestly if ONI is involved it's a war crime
ironic.
cedar surge
i would say war crimes go out the window when your species is about to die
jolly swift
they kidnapped children and flash cloned them so that people wouldn't ask questions
cedar surge
at least after the war halsey was treated as a war criminal
inner basin
The Spartan-II and Spartan-III programs were made by war criminals, but Ackerson was pardoned of his crimes because he was decorated as a war hero (because of his sacrifice) while Halsey got the crap end of the stick cause she survived
round comet
they kidnapped children and flash cloned them so that people wouldn't ask questions
and thats a war crime, but they did it.
cedar surge
but in reality half of oni should be war criminals
round comet
The Spartan-II and Spartan-III programs were made by war criminals, but Ackerson was pardoned of his crimes because he was decorated as a war hero while Halsey got the crap end of the stick
i think thats maybe because ackerson did it for the covenant and halsey didnt.
cinder lava
Yeah I'm surprised we didn't already get more ONI shortstories/lore about them trying to work on Alternative ways they tried to combat the Covenant during the War like Spores, Molds, and Funguses or A I.s installed into their networks for Misinformation, or Gases but then again a lot them have alternative forms of breathing/space suits so that probably wouldn't have worked too well
humble yacht
Didn't cortana shame ackerson?
round comet
halsey did it for innies.
humble yacht
and lead to his death?
cedar surge
also its not like the covenant got their hands clean
jolly swift
the Spartan II's were originally designed to fight the Innies
round comet
yup.
jolly swift
the fact that the Covenant came along was just convenient
cedar surge
they ate civilians and killed them
jolly swift
I hope they killed them before eating them lmao
inner basin
Yeah, but Halsey cared for the safety of the IIs, the IIIs for the most part were sent to their deaths. It's a miracle that a substantial number actually survived the war
cedar surge
wasn't it she cared for the 2s that were left?
jolly swift
they just made them way too durable
cedar surge
like "wow now im attached to them now"
jolly swift
Halsey has one biological child and 250 adopted children
inner basin
wasn't it she cared for the 2s that were left?
Well I think the fact that for years she did her best to try resuscitate as many as she could would debunk this
inner basin
Halsey has one biological child and 250 adopted children
*There was only 150 conscripted
round comet
wait what
inner basin
I don't know where you pulled the extra 100 from
round comet
how many spartan 2s were there
inner basin
I think only 75 went through augmentations
humble yacht
adoption implies legal process
humble yacht
Halsey be like that pirate from Captain Phillips
"Look at me. Look at me. I am the momma now"
round comet
LOL.
inner basin
whats a better term
kidnapping?
round comet
except that she was an awful mother.
round comet
she was an awful mother to her actual kid too
i don't think thats a sign of a good person
thats debatable really.
cedar surge
really
its debateable if kidnapping makes you a bad person
kidnapping a child
and replacing them with a clone who is going to die soon
round comet
its debateable if kidnapping makes you a bad person
happily kidnapping for money or for any selfish reason? yeah thats evil.
cinder lava
I don't know why but this Convo suddenly reminds me of back when Reach released how many folks thought Jorge said "Mum" instead of "Ma'am" when talking to Halsey 😆
humble yacht
Halsey is a consequentialist
round comet
kidnapping them to save the human race? i wont call that evil.
humble yacht
especially during that time, her philopshy was that as long as the end result was good, how she got there didn't matter
round comet
yeah consequentialist is the best way to describe her.
humble yacht
she did have a period where she doubted this philosophy
but it seems like she's back to that outlook
humble yacht
no, i mean
the way she talks about her actions
though maybe its a front
difficult to say, she's a complicated person
round comet
very
inner basin
I don't know why but this Convo suddenly reminds me of back when Reach released how many folks thought Jorge said "Mum" instead of "Ma'am" when talking to Halsey 😆
I mean some Americans don't understand that British people spell the shortened version of Mother as "Mum" instead of the American spelling "Mom"
round comet
and they weren't kidnapped
they were made with the intention of turning them into "expendable heroes"
humble yacht
even if you don't physically abduct a child, convincing a child to become a soldier is highly unethical
inner basin
they were made with the intention of turning them into "expendable heroes"
I wouldn't call them heroes if they were to be expendable but also kept secretive
round comet
well, thats what ackerson called them.
humble yacht
the spartan IIIs were basically kids lured into a van with candy
except the candy was the promise of revenge
inner basin
I wonder how many turned down the opportunity
round comet
and the van was the path to military training and eventual death
cedar surge
revenge that ends after one mission
inner basin
revenge that ends after one mission
Well the Alphas and Betas completed a number of successful missions before their suicide missions so that's false, especially false for Tom and Lucy
cedar surge
well if the parents taught their kid well they should probably refuse
unless bulied into it
humble yacht
children are impressionable, even when raised correctly
and the trauma of being orphaned is going to change behavior
these kids were vulnerable and ONI took advantage of that
round comet
but but halsey bad
well, halsey is nonetheless guilty but yeah i wont call her evil
and yes, its p debatable Lance, its heavily debated within the halo universe too lol.
cedar surge
i don't know stealing kids away from their parents and making them feel sorrow for thinking their child was dead while also indoctrinating said child for war sounds pretty bad
humble yacht
it is bad, yes
this isn't a contest about which program was more unethical, they both sucked in how they obtained kids
round comet
i don't know stealing kids away from their parents and making them feel sorrow for thinking their child
if she did it for selfish reasons, id happily call her guilty.
wait
no
i meant evil
evil
inner basin
I was about to say lol
round comet
she's guilty either way.
cedar surge
thats going to be a black spot in unsc history
round comet
intentions wont matter in front of law, but they do while talking about ethics and morality.
inner basin
thats going to be a black spot in unsc history
There's probably plenty of them already
round comet
oh certainly.
cedar surge
you think the unsc would ever pull that again?
inner basin
Wouldn't surprise me way in the future if they do it again
round comet
if its absolutely necessary, yeah.
cedar surge
so in the galaxy you think there are other alien empires?
it couldnt have just been the covenant species and humanity left after the flood right?
inner basin
so in the galaxy you think there are other alien empires?
Well it's possible. We've only explored a small amount of our galaxy
round comet
it couldnt have just been the covenant species and humanity left after the flood right?
oh, other species probably exist.
we have nothing that says yes, nothing that says no so im just relying on my gut here, lol.
cedar surge
so what kind of treaties does the SoS sign with the unsc you think?
banning of use of nova bombs on elite colonies?
inner basin
I'd imagine so, but also not going to exclusion zones such as where Installation-04 was
cedar surge
didn't they both sterlilize the ring?
inner basin
That was prior to the treaty/ceasefire being signed
humble yacht
Infinity's mission was to locate and decommission Halos, did the SoS give them lip for that?
inner basin
But Infinity has 24 SoS members aboard so I’d assume that those SoS members cleared it with Thel and other SoS council members and then told the Infinity that they’re okay with it and what not.
Actually scratch that idea, it sounds like it wasn’t planned, which I’d imagine it was. I’d say UNSC HighCom had a discussion with Thel and his council members and they came to that agreement that it’s best for the Galaxy that they are decommissioned so that no one can threaten the very existence of life in the Galaxy
humble yacht
i agree that would be best, but if there was a treaty in place restricting access to exclusion zones then Halos would fall under that
inner basin
I think that is if either factions went on their own terms, but due to them having a mutual agreement to decommission them, they decide that there’s an exception, or in the treaty if they are in agreement on something they can return to the rings. Besides Infinity has 24 SoS members aboard so they’re probably there in an advisory capacity on behalf of Thel and the SoS faction
It’s kind of similar to how there was SoS Sanghelli and Humans who went to the Ark during Operation: Far Storm to stop the array from firing
humble yacht
that was a little different since the threat was immiment
but decommissioning the remaining halos, while a good idea, isn't exactly a time sensitive issue
gilded mason
Though I do think it's funny (based on the fact that it's Infinity's mission) that as of 2558, they only 'decommissioned' one and that Halo isn't even around anymore. Not that I'm saying taking a while to do this mission is a bad thing.
cedar surge
yea you just have to deactivate the one in the orion arm to get rid of a big threat
and a threat that would have come right back with anders putting a halo in the middle of the sol system
humble yacht
well it's a big galaxy
alot of space to cover and it's not like you can just slipspace around, because you might miss a ring
was the "decommission" method ever detailed? do they just collect the index or something?
carmine sleet
I don't believe it has been detailed
cedar surge
well in spartan assault i think the infinity finds a ring and decomisions it
and it yoinked a composer from the ring never to be seen again
gilded mason
Yup
humble yacht
wait, maybe not
gilded mason
It's gotta
humble yacht
i don't remember where in the timeline Assault happens
cedar surge
its a bit over the place
during the war
post war
then during the war again
and back at earth for the last time
no wait after that is the ring
im just confused
humble yacht
halopedia doesn't list a Halo ring as any of the locations in Assault
cedar surge
nowait i was thinking of spartan strike
cedar surge
battle of draetheus IV best post war battle
inner basin
Spartan Strike is honestly kinda underrated. I can't really remember SA that much
cedar surge
probably because it has a more coherent plot?
i rember SS plot more than SA
though i have to say how did the unsc not realize they were right next to a forerunner construct
fair hazel
I enjoy spartan assault story more I think
cedar surge
i like smalller plots
fair hazel
I felt bad for Palmer losing Davis
And it’s nice to see what she can do first hand type . Like her actions through the battle
cedar surge
her leading civilians off the planet was cool
stealing covenant airships and dropships
well covenant remnant
fair hazel
She was like. No I don’t accept leaving people behind
cedar surge
wish they would stop refering to them as the covenant
cedar surge
the original one is long dead
humble yacht
Oven Ant
fair hazel
Anyways this is merg vol’s faction
cedar surge
though the forerunner death star
fair hazel
It’s a mining tool
cedar surge
to construct and deconstruct planets
jolly swift
after the war, did Arbiter show remorse for the one billion humans he killed?
cedar surge
Well I think he might have
He could also pin it mostly on being honor bound to do it
gilded mason
Seems like he would've.
jolly swift
Lord Hood guilt trips Arbiter every time they see each other
cedar surge
"You killed 23 billion of us so give us half your colonies"
jolly swift
"give us all your kids. we're making alien spartans."
gilded mason
Would Rtas feel guilty?```
No doubtLord Hood guilt trips Arbiter every time they see each other```
Nah, Hood loves Thel now.Idk man, forgiving someone who was determined to wipe out your race and killed billions seems REALLY hard to forgive
cedar surge
Oh nobody ever said outright they were forgiven
Its just that 343 decided to have most people not have a problem with them just 4 years after the war
inner basin
Nah, Hood loves Thel now.
I don't like where this is going
west silo
To be honest in 2 when the elites were being betrayed instead of feeling bad for them I just saw it as karma coming back to bite them
How does it feel now that there the ones getting genocided
craggy sierra
I’m not sure if that’s a normal thought that at any point crossed anyone’s mind in that game because the game makes no attempt to paint it as either tragic or ironic.
inner basin
Also the fact that it gives you the perspective of the Arbiter kinda pushes that narrative to be empathetic towards them and gives you a perspective of what bloodshed the Prophets have caused their race
craggy sierra
Arbiter’s not around to see the worst of it on high charity and it really doesn’t paint him as focusing on it. He just goes about his goal to stop the ring. Killing tartarus felt secondary to that.
Either case I don’t think Halo 2 was going for any deeper impact with that whole thing beyond showing the covenant in chaotic disarray. Which is a valid thing.
west silo
Nope they try to make u feel sorry about it
Especially when he meets ra tas and he ask about the other elites and there tragic demise
astral elk
craggy sierra
Especially when he meets ra tas and he ask about the other elites and there tragic demise
@west silo Considering I don't even remember this moment it must've been a really non-existant emotional moment.
Wait are you talking about when he said that the council of elites was murdered?
They're literally the people who represented the elites in covenant politics that we never meet or even see on screen.
Or even hear talk.
Or exist
It's meant much more to tell you about the state of disarray and chaos the covenant in and it's mean to paint the situation as even worse for the elites by them now lacking political representatives.
west silo
Elites are a dying me feel bad all I got
full forge
How do huragok repair facilities (Ships, space stations, etc) without vacuum? Surely the forerunners had a provision for that event?
dense pulsar
I didn't really feel bad for the Elites
To me, it always felt like a political move to ally with the humans
west silo
To me it was more everyone gonna die and the humans are the only convenient ally
craggy sierra
Halo 2 definitely does not try to elicit any type of emotional reaction from the player over the elites
west silo
Ok
Guess it just how I saw it then
Anyways how many engineers do u think the covenant had in total
gilded mason
A whole lot. A flagship of a scouting party had several thousand. And a small 5-person ship headed by a Jackal even had one.
west silo
Soo where are all of them now
gilded mason
Around
west silo
They seem rare in the post war period
gilded mason
I honestly don't buy it at all.
gilded mason
And there's simply just...no possible way for them to "disappear"
west silo
And the covenant probably had millions
And there's simply just...no possible way for them to "disappear"
@gilded mason
To be honest after all the sentinels at onyx disappeared anything can happen
gilded mason
And the person who said both of those things was Traviss...
west silo
Its all coming together
Like they don't even mention the factories that can spit out sentinels every 6 seconds
Or if there still around or not
full forge
@west silo They're... Not robots...
And they most definitely will expire in a vacuum.
west silo
Yes they are
There nanomachines that mimic organic flesh
They literally reproduce by building new ones
full forge
And where exactly did you hear that they're nanomachines?
They're machine biologicals.
pale zephyr
west silo
There canon fodder or look at halopedia
Nope there literally forerunner supercomputers made to look after there stuff
pale zephyr
What are you on about lmao
full forge
Ok, if you want to read Halopedia: Their bladders function like lungs, if punctured they will asphyxiate and die.
And there are numerous cases in the novels pertaining to concerns of huragok dying to vacuum.
Maybe there's different variations, like the lifeworker ones that repair biologicals. Maybe one designed for operating in vacuum.
west silo
It also mentions that they are artificial nanomachines
That mimic biological organs I have no idea how a robot can choke and die
twilit stratus
I came at the perfect time.
Sentinels are not robotic figures made of nanomachines that mimic biological life? - Where? Don't the nanomachines operate in much of the same way the worms do for the hunters? (In that they take on a form all together and unify as one larger mass?)
That's my understanding or what it has always been at the least.
west silo
We're not talking about sentinels?
west silo
Mistakes happen
No biggie
twilit stratus
I just joined trying to catch up
Lol
Facts.
I needed a place I could talk about the primordial where halo players would actually KNOW what that means... regular players have no idea of much of the backstory... so what better place right?
twilit stratus
I've just been watching an abundance of lore videos, and explanatory videos alike, regarding the backstory of the ancient-humans with regards to how they were experimented on by forerunner. Etc etc. Is the primordial what turned into the gravemind that we ended off with in Halo 3, or is that 1 gravemind of many others? I know in Halo wars it kind of gives the idea that there's way more graveminds, but I'm a noob still to that end.
west silo
All graveminds are the primordial
west silo
Think the movie avatar
jolly furnace
Now they are. I wanna know whatt GM's were like before Primy joined the hive mind
west silo
Well very angry
twilit stratus
Probably very primitive and lacking in potential, acting in anger, and lesser in thought out calculation.
twilit stratus
Well at the point of a GM they must be given they absorbed enough biomass to grow so large they were so smart to the capacity of being able to do things like telepathically intercept Chiefs comms, as well as teleport Chief and Arbiter in Halo 2
west silo
Dang the entire point of the forerunner flood war was so that the primordial could make the forerunners destroy themselves and there beliefs
twilit stratus
Well if Halo Infinite takes place on Inst 07 can we presume the flood would return, as animals, as well as humans that were abandoned that were experimented on back then?
Seems the Halo story truly revolves around their revenge.
west silo
There were 7 protograveminds the last time so maybe
twilit stratus
Yeah true that. I'd love that. The flood always scared me as a kid growing up rightfully so... clearly scared the covenant as well. Nothing was scarier than the infantile Halo 1 flood that acted more vicious and chaotic.
Guess we will soon find out 😛
west silo
Well there intro scene is memorable
jolly furnace
GMs prior to Primy becoming one with Hive Mind would have to smart as heck to be capable of bringing down 2 tier 1 races (which is implied to be what would have happened if the Flood truly wanted to have done so back then)
It would have absorbed enough beings to be supremely intelligent even back then
twilit stratus
Would love to fight ALONGSIDE the Flood again, maybe the primordial was considered a criminal in the eyes of the Precursors and was a traitor who acted on it's own. Maybe we'll get precursors return who were thought to be long gone, that might be on our side
against the forerunner a common enemy
O:
brb one sec
west silo
Well we know the primordial was the one controlling the flood from the beginning
Remember he's probably the one who gave the order for them to retreat from the galaxy
And made everyone get the idea that a cure had been found
jolly furnace
Forthencho speculated as much
The issue though is it was locked in its cage
So either it was able to that while near-death and inside the cage or it didn't do it at all
west silo
The primordial did admit it was a trick
Remember the last conversation him and born had
Judgement timing something
jolly furnace
No the order to send the Precursor ships into the galaxy
That hasn't been confirmed or debunked yet
twilit stratus
Back and read up.
west silo
Oh the ships no clue
Isn't it implied that those are the ones who turned themselves to dust
twilit stratus
The primordial was in a cage, but they are intelligent, was it not able to use it's mind tricks to influence Mendicant Bias to aid him?
Mendicant was suppose to STOP him and not fall for his tricks
west silo
The primordial was in a cage, but they are intelligent, was it not able to use it's mind tricks to influence Mendicant Bias to aid him?
@twilit stratus
The cage kept him looked out of time
Like a cryptum
twilit stratus
Well Mendicant still did his bidding didn't he?
So he was locked much like the Didact was?
west silo
Yes
twilit stratus
I wonder if somehow he was able to as intelligent as he had become, push his essence into Cortana through the gravemind that allegedly corrupted her between halo 2 and 3 after she failed to buy herself time.
west silo
Yep they could only talk to him for a certain amount of time
twilit stratus
Yeah, so I'm thinking Cortana has a big part of the Primordial within her, because if you think about it, the only way to kill them is to take away their food bio-mass.
If that's the case they'd want to create new food, and that would be pushing the AI's to become a bit more real, enough to physically make contact with the world around them much like Cortana achieved.
Ergo they now have new food.
west silo
Well noo because metal makes terrible food
gilded mason
Yeah, so I'm thinking Cortana has a big part of the Primordial within her
I don't see it
twilit stratus
And I do not believe the halo rings would kill the AI's in the same way all other life would die... they'd be like roaches under a nuke.
west silo
Plus its confirmed that cortana is just crazy
twilit stratus
Well yes she's long past her maintenance lol
west silo
Which is a part of the logic plague ability soooo maybe
gilded mason
It'd make no sense for her to have the Logic Plague
west silo
It drives ais insane or makes them work for the flood
twilit stratus
Mendicant Bias had the logic plague, and was corrupted much like Cortana soon swiftly became.
Cortana almost thrusted her logic plague onto Master Chief and his team.
He was like a zombie and his team just followed.
gilded mason
It took 43 years of the Primordial talking to him, and we saw the Gravemind attempt to corrupt her in Human Weakness. He failed.
Like, it was fairly explicit that he couldn't turn her.
twilit stratus
We saw, but there was a time frame we did not see, that forces us to deduce things on our own using context clues.
I disagree.
We saw up until she failed to continue to distract him with answering questions and asking some of her own.
The gravemind started to send messages directly to chief ironically at the same time cortana started doing the same
west silo
It took 43 years of the Primordial talking to him, and we saw the Gravemind attempt to corrupt her in Human Weakness. He failed.
@gilded mason
Hey that's Mendicent the most advanced ai second only to abbadon
gilded mason
Not to mention, her actions afterwards don't make sense from the mindset of wanting to help the Flood.
twilit stratus
Like it was the gravemind BECOMING cortana
west silo
Like the guy took over every ai on the capital like it was nothing
Not to mention, her actions afterwards don't make sense from the mindset of wanting to help the Flood.
@gilded mason
Neither did the one in 2
gilded mason
Hm?
twilit stratus
Red? Do you mean from Halo 2?
west silo
Yes
twilit stratus
In the gm's hand
gilded mason
He's talking about Tangent, yes
west silo
He was trying to stop the flood while also rampant
Didn't even know he was in his hands
Tentacles
twilit stratus
Yes, but how was the "oracle" when I say that please understand I refer to the AI's belonging to the forerunner NOT that I think that's what they are actually called it's just easier for me.
How was the oracle that helped Chief in Halo 5 thrust Cortana into another dimension, or out of time capable of doing that?
I still never understood that.
The female AI
gilded mason
How was the oracle that helped Chief in Halo 5 thrust Cortana into another dimension, or out of time capable of doing that?
She just removed Cortana from Genesis' systems.
west silo
Which cortana took over
twilit stratus
Ah! I see.
west silo
Somehow
twilit stratus
So Cortana became nothingness then? Or was she actually throw into some other space, as that is how it appeared.
Visually looked like she ended up somewhere else.
sharp adder
halo maoic = nerl physic
west silo
Oh yeah and cortana didn't resist the gravemind she was losing
west silo
And was forced to nearly commit ai suicide just to stop him
Oh and made a bluff about a way to stop the flood
twilit stratus
Tbh I think he biggest enemy of Haloverse is ONI
the biggest*
Liars, pretenders, puppeteers, you name it.
west silo
You'll need to be more specific, then." Cortana suddenly felt as if she‘d been nudged by a careless shoulder in a crowd, but couldn‘t identify the source. It wasn't tactile. Nothing had impacted the station‘s hull, as far as she could tell....
Another fleeting nudge against Cortana's shoulder suddenly turned into a slap across the face. It was shocking, disorienting. She had no idea how the Gravemind had done it. She'd had no warning. Not knowing, and not anticipating; that hurt. That was pain. Pain warned
twilit stratus
Master Chief still has no idea Sgt Johnson was even a super soldier.
Despite him being unkillable in Halo 2 (joke)
west silo
This is the gravemind torturing cortana for the fun of it
gilded mason
https://haruspis.blog/2017/01/14/human-weakness-ruminations-on-cortana/
This is a good write-up related to it.
west silo
Ahhh haruspis
twilit stratus
You know what
west silo
Man the gravemind even made her feel real just to kill her
twilit stratus
The gravemind on Halo 2 had to be acting separately from the original and main species of precursors.
The reason I say that is because the ancient humans were only briefly attacked by the flood who then stopped attacking them, to focus their efforts against their real enemy the forerunner for their treachery.
But in Halo 3 the GM says to Chief "Child of my enemy why have you come? A father's sins pass down to his son" - Meaning this GM in particular sees humans as much of a issue because of the actions of their creators (the FR).
Why would he feel differently, than the precursors as a whole did if not acting on it's own volition?
west silo
Well the gravemind made a point that humanity would be tested in the future
gilded mason
I think that was mainly a result of the split in the writing team about whether humans are Forerunners or not
twilit stratus
Humans are reclaimers though. Just there to reclaim the mantle as they were rightfully originally suppose to be given, as per the Precursors wishes.
Till the forerunner got in the way
But I see the confusion as humans can operate things the forerunners created, because of their biological imprint
Perhaps so @the testing Spartan
twilit stratus
That is true.
gilded mason
I'm talking about the writers made Gravemind say that because the writer who did so, did so under the assumption humans were Forerunners. (If you were talking to me)
twilit stratus
OH I understand now.
Then we cannot know exactly what part of that sentence was canon.
gilded mason
Exactly
twilit stratus
Such a shame. That leaves a huge gap.
inner basin
H3 writing was kinda bad ngl
twilit stratus
Wouldn't it be nice if reality boiled down to a bunch of sentient outer-space life creating all life in the galaxy, and we're all just here waiting for the covenant to strike?
H3 was my least favorite campaign
H2 was my top
west silo
Well bungie couldn't agree if the forerunners were humans and just made it umbigus
The terminal is vague as hell
twilit stratus
Lmao that's true. Glad you said that.
I think now though, forerunners are considered isolated, at least that is what the Librarian and Didact imply when they talk about humans. Saying humans were just innocent seeds planted caught in a bigger war they could not yet understand but that one day they were destined to claim the mantle, which unfortunately the didact did not agree with.
gilded mason
What's unfortunate about it?
west silo
Dang the only thing that implies the connection is the librarian saying she feels a connection between them
twilit stratus
I mean I disagree that the didact felt that way against humans.
It's unfortunate he was so egotistical
west silo
Well the terminal has the didact feeling less digust and more trying to save his wife
Or are u talking 4 didact?
west silo
Well he was insane
west silo
And rightfully angry after what happened to all his children
inner basin
In his Cryptum he was in constant torture so he wasn't really reformed and kinda kept his feelings that he had against humans
twilit stratus
Indeed but his anger is displaced. Humans are as much his children granted the entire war started BECAUSE of them, it wasn't through their actions..
The forerunner instigated
west silo
Well he was already insane and trapped in it for 100,000 years
The fact he can talk is amazing
inner basin
The Cryptum was supposed to be a form of meditation to reform him but it didn't work due to the fact he was drove insane
twilit stratus
Meditation? Torture? Huh!
west silo
Well actually its because the domain got nuked
twilit stratus
Oh that's true
west silo
The gravemind saved that to troll the librarian
inner basin
Well that too. It kinda just left him to be trapped in there with his own thoughts
west silo
Man and the last thing he remembers seeing is his wife betraying him
twilit stratus
Be right back
west silo
For a boy 1000s of years younger than him
sharp adder
i wouls a longe
dense pulsar
If Master Chief was forced to play every Halo game on Legendary, how fast do you guys think he could do it
cedar surge
In 10 hours since he wouldnt know how to play a videi game
The closest thing he has done is simulations
shy tendon
How old is Jarome from halo wars
jagged sigil
bruh
obsidian thistle
@shy tendon at what point? By Halo Wars 2 hes around 48 if I recall correctly.
obsidian thistle
That also. XD even though cryo be weird
dense pulsar
So if you're a new recruit in the UNSC, and you're cryogenically frozen for 3 years making you technically 21, can they deny you alcohol?
craggy sierra
Why would they be using 21?
That’s like the most unnecessarily high drinking age in the world.
lethal comet
shy tendon
They would probably chip people by then
Have it scanned before you get cryogenically frozen and then after
lethal comet
Only military get chipped
craggy sierra
Drinking age would probably be enlistment age in the Halo universe.
cedar surge
18
craggy sierra
Yeah, America’s kind of the global outlier on how old the drinking age is. I don’t see the theoretical sci-fi universe of Halo were we’ve gotten rid of global borders opting to go with their age on that.
If you’re old enough to make poor life choices to go die in a war you’re old enough to make poor life choices about your liver.
vague scroll
Who needs chipping when the UEG AIs know everything about you from the moment you’re born 😅
lethal comet
Chips are still needed
craggy sierra
*by military personnel.
I’m sure the general public would 110% not be on board for that being a requirement of existing.
vague scroll
By 2557, neural implants are common place and easy to get in an outpatient surgery. Spartan/military tech reaches a point where it’s capable of being ubiquitous in civilian circles
cedar surge
Yea I'm sure the public would be real thrilled with getting metal chips getting drilled into their heads by a government many don't like
craggy sierra
Capable of but between Orwellian paranoias and people who might just flat out not be okay with having stuff crammed in their bodies I’m sure it’s by no means a requirement.
vague scroll
So yeah, definitely don’t need chips if the network knows who you are with facial, dna, or ID recognition software
cedar surge
Plus if your on any type of system the unsc probably knows about you
vague scroll
We’re not that far off today from surveillance software being able to identify you just by the clothing bar code numbers you’re wearing or something like that
craggy sierra
Like if it’s a requirement to get chipped then the UNSC basically loses all morale high ground over insurrectionists.
Cause at that point they just win the argument
vague scroll
Chipping is standard issue for military simply for the purpose of being able to interact with military equipment
cedar surge
Yea the unsc got the firepower but they can't destroy ideas
They need to win over the people
Which they have been doing a really bad job at
vague scroll
It’s not really for Orwellian surveillance state - the UEG is kind of already beyond that scope
craggy sierra
Yeah and I’m sure requiring civilians to get chipped is really doing a lot to dissuade fears.
vague scroll
Oh the UEG/UNSC created a self fulfilling prophecy with the insurrection - they wanted that fight, their prediction models literally said military action was the only appropriate response even before any other options could be tried
Hence Carver Findings
cedar surge
"Oh yea guyslets get chipped by the trigger happy government that nukes colonies out of existance and who may or may not kidnap our children"
Then maybe
I don't know
Tone down the trampling of the outer colonies under foot?
Well at least the unsc doesn't have to worry about that anymore
Most outer colonies got destroyed
vague scroll
What I’m trying to say is forget about chipping because the UNSC is beyond it already. The government doesn’t need to chip you in Halo because they already know who you are from birth
craggy sierra
You say that but they let someone with close insurrectionist ties into the Spartan 4 program so they clearly have holes
vague scroll
The only really flub is from the post-war era and the refugee crisis but even then ONI showed that doesn’t really matter either - they only pretend to be incompetent, for example “glass colonies have bad records” is such a thinly veiled half joke
This is the same government that allows corporations to run entire colonies and to make their own supersoldiers
They’re not perfect but they’re good enough that they do know pretty much all that goes on
cedar surge
Wait what?
craggy sierra
I don’t think there’s ever been any mention of colonies being corporately run.
cedar surge
Since when there's coloniesbeing corporate run?