All good questions- and yeah, Gravemind surely took up residence on Delta Halo before the events of H2.
#lore-and-universe
dense helm
rigid current
Human ajacent
modest bobcat
Like, did he just eat wildlife and become that smart?
dense helm
Well Smart AI as we know them are imprints of existing Humans
dense helm
Well not all
modest bobcat
Yeah, Cortana uses Halsey's DNA.
rigid current
digital clones?
dense helm
Cortana was an illegal/above reproach clone of Halsey's younger mind.
modest bobcat
Probably because ONI had no way of forecasting what Cortana would've been capable of.
rigid current
Oh
modest bobcat
And Halsey was doing super dubious stuff besides.
rigid current
Is Cortana why Halsey was arrested?
rigid current
Yeah
Aside from
capturing and turning 5-6 year olds into supersoldiers to fight against humans
rigid current
Which if you ask me is overkill to the umpteenth degree
lethal comet
Cortana was not illegal
dense helm
For painting her as a war criminal.
modest bobcat
@dense helm " High Charity was almost completely destroyed in the resulting explosions, with only the outer structure remaining when Installation 08 was fired, its debris showering the inactive installation and the Ark below. The Gravemind managed to escape, and immediately began rebuilding itself on Installation 08." From Halopedia. But this seems like an issue of active retconning/reworking than anything else.
lethal comet
Halsey was arrested because she kidnapped kelly
rigid current
Really?
lethal comet
ONI is not corrupt
rigid current
Why Kelly specifically?
lethal comet
idk
dense helm
How is ONI not corrupt when people like Saren Osman and others took root?
Not sure if I spelled her name correctly- it's been a while.
lethal comet
Define corrupt
rigid current
You're right @dense helm
lethal comet
oni is the reason humanity survived the war
dense helm
Originally many years ago, and Halsey's project, of course.
modest bobcat
Can't be corrupt if the corruption you're accused of is already part of your work environment from the start. 
dense helm
But not now.
lethal comet
Halsey isnt all good
modest bobcat
ONI isn't corrupt - they're merely highly unethical and do things that make literally no sense.
rigid current
I mean sure... but her intentions were good(ish)
dense helm
Halsey is good. What she does is for the greater good even if it means there are short-term losses up front.
lethal comet
ONI isn't corrupt - they're merely highly unethical and do things that make literally no sense.
Thats what I am saying
dense helm
I can understand how one can find that morally/ethically conflicting but she's ultimately not a bad person.
lethal comet
ONI is a necessary evil
modest bobcat
ONI is highly unnecessary after 3, if anything.
lethal comet
Enlisting children is still a warcrime
dense helm
Saren Osman I believe ordered Palmer to execute Halsey. They are not on Halsey's side and ONI has fallen. It's not the organization it used to be.
modest bobcat
Gee guys, let's spark civil war on Sangheilios for the off chance Thel 'Vadam might betray us!
lethal comet
Half of the S-II died in augs
dense helm
That's why Halsey lost her darn arm because Palmer actually missed.
lethal comet
Their parents had to see their clones die
modest bobcat
Man, it still gets my blood burning that Jul 'Mdama was the result of many years of ONI manipulation and we just kill him in a cutscene.
dense helm
That's why I'm saying there were up front wrong-doings for the sake of the long-term greater good
modest bobcat
If Atriox is a cutscene battle I might lose my mind.
lethal comet
And one of them became an insurrectionist who would have glassed earth
Man, it still gets my blood burning that Jul 'Mdama was the result of many years of ONI manipulation and we just kill him in a cutscene.
Not many years
modest bobcat
Not many?
lethal comet
And Jul sought revenge because arbiter's forces killed his wife
modest bobcat
I thought ONI got to work on their manipulations and scheming like basically after 3 was done.
dense helm
Pretty much @modest bobcat
lethal comet
And he was a prisoner for a couple of month max
dense helm
But there was developing corrosion in ONI's infrastructure for a while but yes most of that comes to fruition in the books post H3.
lethal comet
And Jul discovered the location of requiem
lethal comet
And the didact was the perfect way to eliminate humanity
rigid current
She was meant to be a colony/ark vessel, no?
dense helm
stated that we will find out the fate of Infinity as Infinite's campaign unfolds.
fate/disposition
rigid current
Well I moreso meant
crew living standards
How different they were from regular UNSC warships
lethal comet
Infinity was a backup plan to evacuate people if earth was under attack
dense helm
Infinity was built as the UNSC's greatest starship, not to wage war, but to peacefully advance the cause of mankind by discovering new worlds.
lethal comet
Infinity's livilng standards are more like a small city
rigid current
It's almost entirely self sufficient, and "has facilities and comforts normally seen on colony vessels"
Probably
lethal comet
It's crew is meant to be on it for years at a time
rigid current
I don't imagine it's like
lethal comet
It has small bio reserves
modest bobcat
I reckon Infinity is pretty similar to the UESC Marathon and its crew isn't as much infantry as other starships.
rigid current
every crew member gets their own bedroom
lethal comet
Like a park
dense helm
Yeah
rigid current
but I imagine it's not cramped bunks
dense helm
Park Habitats, plazas, dormatories, etc.
rigid current
Yeah
modest bobcat
The Marathon in, well, Marathon, is a ship that floats into space for hundreds of years at a time and has new generations born on board.
rigid current
They even got a pizza parlor
modest bobcat
I think the Infinity is something similar.
lethal comet
I think the Infinity is something similar.
@modest bobcat nope
lethal comet
No new generations tho
rigid current
lethal comet
And its not a colony ship
dense helm
Speaking of Infinity, I just want to mention, regarding the end of H5 when Cortana goes "Where's Infinity? Why is she so difficult to see?" was related to the fact that Infinity's engines are Forerunner. I wonder if that's going to be any kind of plot element having to do with the ship.
Just curious to think about.
dense helm
You'd think
lethal comet
Infinity started making slipspace jumps very frequently after the rise of the created
modest bobcat
If the Infinity isn't a colony ship then why is it... built like that?
dense helm
But at the same time Cortana can't know the full scope of everything Forerunner there is to know... but within the Domain, she totally could.
rigid current
She was meant to be an interstellar ark incase Earth fell
and Humanity lost the war
Buuut we didn't
dense helm
So it's just interesting to think about.
lethal comet
If the Infinity isn't a colony ship then why is it... built like that?
Colony ships have prefab buildings, terraforming equipment, a lot more cryo bays
dense helm
I don't think Cortana, even connected to the Domain, would be able to fully tap into the Domain's deepest and most locked away secrets.
I'm just assuming that.
lethal comet
And colony ships definitely do not have 3 macs and hundreds of missile pods
dense helm
I have nothing to go on that implies she couldn't but it just doesn't seem likely.
lethal comet
I don't think Cortana, even connected to the Domain, would be able to fully tap into the Domain's deepest and most locked away secrets.
You only see what the domain wants you to see
rigid current
Also I wonder how many crew members have their family aboard Infinity
lethal comet
But the domain isn't fully healed yet
dense helm
Yeah the Domain is alive- a conscious will of its own.
modest bobcat
God, I hate that you can't send pictures in this server. But in the picture @rigid current linked, it says it's self-sufficient and replete with things normally only seen on colony ships.
It's definitely not just another frigate.
rigid current
Yeah
dense helm
Of course Infinity isn't just another frigate.
There isn't another like it as far as I'm aware.
rigid current
Well there's her sister ship
Eternity
But that never left drydock afaik
and infact
dense helm
Of course what the heck. You right.
rigid current
Some of her parts were used on Infinity for a retrofit in Halo 5
modest bobcat
I think being a 'lifeboat in case Earth falls' is pretty much just screaming, "This is a BIG F--- OFF COLONY SHIP IN CASE WE SCREW UP BIG".
Sure, colony ships aren't normally armed as heavily as the Infinity was, but when it's your literal "big red button" you kinda want it stacked as much as you can.
It's like the colony ship to end colony ships, almost literally.
dense helm
I want to know what "Bastion" is. I have ideas, and I have a hunch that it's a possibility that Infinity is either headed toward this "Bastion" or that Bastion may very well be a Shield World containing living Forerunners to this day.
More theorizing but i'm curious.
rigid current
I also saw the theory that
The Flood weren't corrupted at all
That's just one of the Precursor's many forms
modest bobcat
It's an interesting theory but I don't buy it.
rigid current
Since they can practically shapeshift
dense helm
Which theory @modest bobcat ?
modest bobcat
The Precursors are the Flood one.
rigid current
They are though
modest bobcat
I mean, they are.
rigid current
That's been confirmed
modest bobcat
But also they aren't.
I don't buy the Flood being still-living-but-really-mad Precursors.
rigid current
o
dense helm
Well, it has been said that they are one in the same but the Flood in it of itself is not thier "true form".
modest bobcat
That's what I mean.
dense helm
Right
modest bobcat
I feel like the Flood are basically entirely the failure of the Precursor's lifeboat plan.
lethal comet
Infinity class ships do not classify as colony ships
dense helm
A Precursor (i.e. the Primordial) has already been officially depicted in Halo Mythos
modest bobcat
Also, y'all mentioned the Domain recovering?
I was under the impression it was just entirely lost.
Mostly from one of the CEA terminals.
lethal comet
Infinity was like a huge lifeboat
rigid current
Nah it was rebooted
dense helm
That's what they said in the CEA terminals
rigid current
Shortly after the Halo array fired I believe
modest bobcat
A lifeboat meant to carry you across the galaxy in case your home falls and you need a new one is definitely a colony ship.
dense helm
But what they didn't want you to know at that point is that it wasn't actually truly destroyed.
modest bobcat
Classification or no.
Like, you don't just live on a lifeboat for the rest of your natural life in case your ship falls.
That lifeboat has to get you somewhere.
dense helm
^
modest bobcat
Master Chief didn't load into the Bumblebee in Halo: CE and just say, "Well, this is life!"
dense helm
Infinity to ferry humanity to the Greater Ark, or Bastion, or perhaps Maethrillian?
Questions, questions.
dense helm
I don't think so?
modest bobcat
Bumblebees I think have exactly what you see in them.
The only reason dudes aren't floating is because Chief is too tall and it's too small, and everyone else is strapped in.
rigid current
Plus magboots
lethal comet
Post war pelicans and condors have gravity from what we have seen
rigid current
Yeah
modest bobcat
Condors I could definitely see having them, those things are beefed.
rigid current
Plus 216's pilot was moving around like there was gravity on his pelican
lethal comet
The pelican in the infinity trailer had gravity
modest bobcat
Can't wait til we get a name for that guy.
dense helm
Well I can only assume Condors actually have slipspace drives because our Echo 216 pilot mentions that he saw a downed Condor and that they have splipspace drives.
Maybe not all of them but I'm not 100% sure.
rigid current
I still can't get a beat on what his ethnicity is. I mean it doesn't matter really but
it's confusing
dense helm
Meh it's whatever. He's already a really likable character with a strange chemistry with Chief. They fit together as an interesting duo and yet are totally differnt.
modest bobcat
I wonder what role the Created are meant to have in Infinite.
dense helm
A nice contrast and dynamic between the two.
lethal comet
Its better to make sure a crashed condor is safe before going near it
modest bobcat
I wonder if the Flood will have a role at all in Infinite.
modest bobcat
I do hope so!
dense helm
It's Installation 07- Zeta Halo.
modest bobcat
Also, I've never understood: Just why are the Sentinels like, so terrible at fighting the Flood?
dense helm
The Flood has to have some presence big or small.
modest bobcat
They're meant to be great at it, right?
dense helm
You just can't
modest bobcat
But in game the Sentinels just kinda get walloped.
And they don't generally take a bunch of Flood with them either. It's never a quality vs. quantity thing.
dense helm
The sentinels are obviously supposed to aid in containment should there be a breach but yeah they don't exactly do the containing part all too well
lmao
modest bobcat
Playing Heroic or Legendary the Sentinels just kinda eat it against the Flood.
Like I'll hide somewhere on the Maw while they fight and then I'll go in and not a single Flood casualty.
The Sentinels just beef their job 99 times out of 100.
dense helm
That moment when you're hiding behind a crate and you hear a floodling hiss and snarl close by on Legendary.
modest bobcat
I really feel like recent lore has kinda overplayed just how powerful the Forerunners are.
dense helm
No ammo. Feels bad man
modest bobcat
Or underplayed just how smart the Flood are even in feral stage, I guess.
Because one of these things is the issue and I'm not sure which.
lethal comet
Gameplay never translates into lore
dense helm
Well I don't think you can equate every single bit of lore with gameplay 1 for 1.
lethal comet
Don't take gameplay as canon
rigid current
I wonder how a Halo game that was 100% accurate to lore would be
modest bobcat
Well, sure, but the Sentinels I feel get a lot of hype in the books they don't really deserve.
dense helm
There has to be the gameplay side of it but obviously you want gameplay to be as close as possible to what you describe in your books.
modest bobcat
Like I read a book and it describes the Sentinels as a menace and I'm like, "But where?"
dense helm
The gameplay has to be canon but to a certain degree. I wouldn't read too much into that.
Personally.
lol
modest bobcat
Sentinels are more like pests in not only the FPS games but in Wars, also.
They're just chumps.
lethal comet
Cause if that was the case then prometheaan weapons would be one hit kill
Sentinels are more like pests in not only the FPS games but in Wars, also.
Sentinels took down a carrier
lethal comet
right
dense helm
Yeah the Promethean hardlight weapons were designed with all intents and purposes to combat the Flood. That's why whenever you see anything killed with one they incinerate into glowing cinders.
modest bobcat
Yeah, with like a hundred billion of them suicide bombing it.
dense helm
To break down all biomatter.
lethal comet
And CAS are huge
modest bobcat
The Sentinels are strong en masse but so are Unggoy or Infection Forms.
dense helm
They didn't exactly get to that part until Halo 4.
lethal comet
Yeah, with like a hundred billion of them suicide bombing it.
Sentinel factories exist
dense helm
Which, I absolutely love Promethean weapons.
modest bobcat
Still: Their numbers should more than make up for Flood outbreaks happening.
rigid current
I wonder how quickly Sentinels can be built
lethal comet
And sentinel factories can produce thousands of sentinels per day
rigid current
The way I see it
dense helm
The gameplay crosses with their canon pretty beautifully
modest bobcat
But they're extremely bad, in all recorded scenarios of an outbreak, at containing that outbreak.
lethal comet
If they were bad then delta halo would be covered in flood
modest bobcat
Alpha Halo, Delta Halo, The Ark both times, Installation 08,
rigid current
Sentinels THEMSELVES aren't meant to combat the flood, but they're built to build things like the Quarantine wall like in Halo 2
When you actually have to fight the Flood head on
modest bobcat
I mean, don't get me wrong, they're great at building walls!
rigid current
You send in the Prometheans
modest bobcat
They just suck at like, the part their beam is meant for?
lethal comet
Their beam can melt you
versed helm
the sentinels are like the recon assault force
dense helm
Well the sentinels are tasked with containment should there be a breach but obviously by the time the events of Halo CE roll around they're very formidable (actually less so than in thousands years past) and not enough sentinels.
modest bobcat
Their beam can melt me but it can't melt the Human Combat Form sailing at them with a magnum and no skin on his spine.
lethal comet
We don't see the full power of the sentinels in game
lethal comet
They are deployed in very large numbers
modest bobcat
I really do just think the lore massively overhypes the Forerunners.
dense helm
I'm not quite sure how you mean though @modest bobcat
lethal comet
And onyx sentinels are even deadlier
modest bobcat
Well like, the only thing the Flood have going for them vis a vis fighting the Sentinels and Prometheans is the Logic Plague, right?
That, and numbers.
But the Prometheans and the Sentinels are supposed to have The Best Stuff for fighting the Flood.
lethal comet
Logic plague only works on AI
lethal comet
Flood could use precursor tech
modest bobcat
But would it work on Dumb Machinery like the Sentinels?
rigid current
Plus I imagine Sentinels have some BASIC AI
modest bobcat
And are the Prometheans even sentient?
lethal comet
Didact was driven mad with the Logic Plague
Thats not logic plague
rigid current
Like the forerunner equivalent to a Dumb AI
dense helm
That's been mentioned though.
rigid current
I'm pretty sure it's explicitly said it's the Logic Plague
modest bobcat
I think I've heard that the Didact was driven mad by the Logic Plague.
lethal comet
Prometheans are sentient
The only thing affected by the logic plague thus far is mendicant
modest bobcat
So, okay, let's say the Logic Plague does work on Prometheans and Sentinels. Promies and Sents are still uninfectable and Sents are able to be produced at hysterical numbers, and both of them have weapons that EXCEL are destroying BioMass.
dense helm
When Librarian sealed Didact away in the Cryptum it was also with the intention that his uplink to the Domain would cure his ailed mind from the Logic Plague, but that uplink was broken due to the fact that by the time the array fired, that connection with the Domain was lost and Didact was left to stew in his madness for 100 millenia.
modest bobcat
I simply do not understand how the Sentinels and the Prometheans lost if they're as good as they're supposedly said to be.
dense helm
What a sad existence.
lethal comet
Flood had starroads
Tens of thousands of ships
Precursor tech
Forerunner tech
Forerunner knowledge
rigid current
ANcient Human tech
lethal comet
Star roads can literally rip planets apart
versed helm
not to mention that they could corrupt forerunner armour
leaden minnow
id say the flood also won due to the fact that they would have trillions of key minds
and the only precursor knoledge in existence to their advantage
anad dont forget the fact that they managed to capture the intelligence of the masterbuilder during the final battle for the lesser ark
plus they also had mendicant who was literally the most uno reverse card of all time
lethal comet
anad dont forget the fact that they managed to capture the intelligence of the masterbuilder during the final battle for the lesser ark
*greater ark
leaden minnow
my bad
nimble crest
Were the sentinels just robots or did they have some sort of sentience
lethal comet
Just robots
lethal comet
Nothing much
Just the usual
Lots of infighting
No proper government
Lack of tech
full forge
I wish Delgado would make another appearance. What came of his enlistment to the Prowler corps?
lethal comet
Then atriox came along and enlisted a lot of brutes into the banished
I wish Delgado would make another appearance. What came of his enlistment to the Prowler corps?
He became a pelican pilot I assume
full forge
He specifically was hand picked by an ONI officer for the prowler corps.
Bridge crew don't fly the dropship.
lethal comet
Prowler corps isnt all about prowlers
I take that back
Its just stated that he "would be put on a prowler"
full forge
Hopefully never the Rubicon.
lethal comet
It would have been fun to see him with grey team again
full forge
yuh
Though I couldn't imagine him being taken along for Sunspear.
At least I hope not.
sterile gale
You guys seen rejected shotguns remake of the halo 3 guardian
lethal comet
Cut content doesnt reallycount as lore
cedar surge
It looks cool
lethal comet
He didnt make the level
He just talked about the cut levels and the assets that werent removed
cedar surge
I can take it more seriously than the actual guardian though
Bird of a thousand pieces
lethal comet
Would you like to shoot a robot with its own eye
Guardian custodes sound better to me than the cut guardian from what we know
carmine sleet
An interesting thing is that in some of the early design iterations of the Guardian that was cut from Halo 3 is some bird-like wings. Wouldn't surprise me if that's where they got the idea for the wings seen on Halo 5's Guardians
cedar surge
Why are did forerunners male machines after animals
Guardians after birds
Crawlers after dogs
Those are the only two that look like animals
carmine sleet
Shrug As far as I know, there's no in universe reason
craggy sierra
cuz they look cool
tbh given the forerunner's philosophies of building the most unnecessary extra structures to determine your worth in society, I would legitimately not be surprised if that was actually the case.
cedar surge
So if I didn't have a few dozen giant slabs of metal I would be worthless
Guess that explains reqieum and its giant sticks
Also in escalations
In the last few chapters
The librarian shows a planet that kinda looked like its in a cage
Is that a shield world?
carmine sleet
Hey, those "giant sticks" in Requiem are cool and made for some real nice skyboxes
cedar surge
All nice and fine until you crash a unsc Paris class frigate into one of em
carmine sleet
That's why you look where you're going
cedar surge
Also yea is that planet showed in the end of escalations ever coming back?
You know the unsc have a habit of every shield world they step on getting destroyed
carmine sleet
I know but crashing a frigate into one of the Forerunner spires wouldn't cause a Shield World to be destroyed
carmine sleet
The Forward Unto Dawn crashing down into Requiem didn't cause Requiem's destruction, nor did it crash into one of the Forerunner spires
cedar surge
Also forerunner tech ain't rated for the sun?
Didn't they hide tech in suns before
Reqium could just be chilling in the sun
carmine sleet
Requiem is destroyed, they aren't going to "Noble Six is in a cave" Requiem
cedar surge
So what shield worlds are still intact?
Etran obliterated,reqieum incernarated,onyx disintergrated
There still is a cloud of setinals out there somewhere
carmine sleet
Onyx still exists
inner basin
I still struggle to try picture Onyx in my head, it’s kinda hard to
cedar surge
Why was the Spartan 3 program on onyx and not reach like the 2s
carmine sleet
Because Ackerson was Halsey's rival and didn't want her to find out about the S-IIIs
versed helm
Also because he intended the S-IIIs to be a glorified kamikaze unit
They were literally sent in en masse
cedar surge
Did the S-IIIs need to be sent en masse?
versed helm
The first batch was all killed in a single mission,
the second had 2 survivors
and the third saw the planet turn into robots
Did the S-IIIs need to be sent en masse?
i guess so
they didnt have all the training the IIs did
at that age
nimble crest
How many died in operation torpedo
That’s a good example of the kind of missions they were sent on
Suicide missions
carmine sleet
It should be noted that a select few S-IIIs were pulled from their companies before the operations which wiped them out
carmine sleet
For example, all of Noble (Not including Jorge since he was an S-II), were pulled from their companies
versed helm
Some were also made headhunters
versed helm
Yep
they had a whole bunch of SS set behind them
i just realized that the covenant are based on the germans who shipped that weird guy with the charlie chaplain moustache
deep pewter
Except not at all but yeah
carmine sleet
I doubt the Silent Shadow was named in reference to that specific group
inner basin
How many died in operation torpedo
298, although it should be noted that 9 missed the LZ and are just presumed KIA
I also want to know the other team's story in Headhunter's as there was two teams sent to the unknown Covenant moon
cedar surge
How was head hunters extracted? Weren't they all alone behind covenant lines or territory?
cedar surge
What do you mean by might? Isn't it basically confirmed?
versed helm
https://youtu.be/8uVjcX8cupg?t=103 - Basically
inner basin
How was head hunters extracted? Weren't they all alone behind covenant lines or territory?
Well there is a number of ways they can be extracted. Prowler, Pelican, other exfiltration craft (such as the ones what were meant to be used by Beta Company after Torpedo)
Requiem might be destroyed
It is destroyed unless 343 want to retcon it for whatever reason
jolly furnace
Ok so to answer earlier questions - 100s of shield worlds likely still exist
And yes children were made into Knights. Though nothing of the original essences remains apparently. If so they are effectively dead
Watchers and crawlers are just dumb Ancilla by forerunner standards I think
Requiem is almost certainly not coming back. There is no reason to bring it back.
versed helm
it went into a hecking star. it cant come back
west silo
Thorne thinks thats to boring to kill requiem
jolly furnace
Some think it can come back
versed helm
oh yes. immolation by diving into a giant ball of fire is so commonplace
jolly furnace
Out of unvierse and in universe
Like a character somewhere suggests the possibility
Just cos Forerunner metal is super durable
Like no
It went into a star
It was burning and ripping apart as Crimson and Majestic left
We saw that
Requeim is gone
kaput
good bye
And the star exploded
and Requiem had how many mini stars inside its shell?
versed helm
it was literally like throwing a NOVA into the chernobyl blast. you dont survive that. nothing survives that
versed helm
wait. what precursor stuff has survived dive-bombing a star?
jolly furnace
None that we know of but given nothing short of a Halo pulse can damage it, I think we can safely assume Preursor stuff would survive it without issue
I magine the Forerunner tried everything they could think of to damage Precursor stuff out of curiousity
Also Precursor star roads were shown creating something akin to a black hole or spacetime anomalies within their configurations in Silentium with no issues or detriment to the roads themselves
It was describes as some kind of icky black mass or something
exotic mass or matter
versed helm
oh yeaah. it could survive dive bombing a star, courtesy neural physics
deep trellis
what is a precursor? i've heard that word floating around recently
humble yacht
The closest things to gods currently in the halo universe
They created the forerunners, humanity, and indirectly the flood
jolly furnace
The apparent creators of everyone and everything
Maybe even the cosmos
It'll likely never be answered
craggy sierra
And for the better
dense helm
I agree. I'd definitely welcome the mention of the Precursors and exploring some of their direct influence brought up as a background theme having to do with Infinite's immediate plot/story but I sincerely agree that they should largely remain a mystery forever.
fair hazel
The essences didn’t vanish in memories.
I mean who they were.
Also haha. I wonder when. We’ll see requiem next
dense helm
I'm pretty sure Requiem is gone gone but we'll see.
fair hazel
The spartan field manual hints
terse lava
I would hardly call the precursors the creators of the cosmos but I agree they should maintain their sense of mystery
jolly furnace
Well its possible they are given their age. We probably won't get an answer on that.
terse lava
The best feat they have is making their stuff trans- dimensional. I would say they can reshape reality sure, but not the entire universe
Actually it seems in the haloverse, the precursors saw the universe itself as an entity
cedar surge
So does halo count as science fantasy with the precursors?
So the forerunners left the halo galaxy right
Are they going on crusades to pretect other galaxies from the flood?
jolly furnace
Yes
No
Halo is sci-fi fantasy only when Precursors come into it
Forerunners left mostly so they could die off
Some remain in MWG
somewhere
Thing is Precursors existed during a time when physics tells us life or intelligence couldn't
The latest they could have been around was between Big Bang and star birth
The earliest is prior to Big Bang
cedar surge
Was the heretic rebellion in 2 really deserving of a arbiter? Crushing the grunt rebellion seems much more important than crushing a small newly found rebel group in one place
stiff creek
Maybe.
He had a butt ton of followers.
That we killed.
And he was protected by that storm, and the sentinels..
And if his message got out to humanity, they probably would've become allies, albeit uneasy ones.
stable flower
That part of Halo 2 was filler. Thel seems to have completely forgotten about those events, even when he found out they were telling the truth.
stiff creek
His memory of that is probably vague.
sick loom
in my opinion, it was the quickest way to introduce arbiter
dense helm
Halo is sci-fi.
Very deep sci-fi. Some themes are exaggerated obviously but they're all founded on the premise of something plausible and possible as we understand the universe.
There's no "magic" really in Halo as there is to Star Wars which is pretty sci-fi/fantasy.
sick loom
"jedi are space wizards"
dense helm
Halo provides some form of explanation governed by the laws of science and some theoretical sciences as we understand the universe.
humble yacht
Neural physics is pretty magical because it’s unexplained
dense helm
It's something we don't understand so sure, that one specifcally in that regard, could be interpreted as "Magic" since we don't understand.
stable flower
Reminds me of the Nali from Unreal, who are said to have supernatural powers.
dense helm
But for all intents and purposes Halo is deep sci-fi.
Star Wars has actual fantasy/Magic elements.
It's more "spiritual", the "Force is with you" sort of thing but not actually explained on a fundamental level how it could be explained scientifically I suppose. Whereas imprints and a geas passed down genetically are what would be reflected in the real world as instincts and genetics.
But sure, Halo does have some stretched elements in it but I'd definitely call Star Wars the sci-fi fantasy. Halo not so much.
terse lava
Eh we do have during the forerunner era the self aware domain which could communicate to forerunners at least.
cedar surge
Like AI
jolly furnace
As far as im concerned if it breaks real physics its magic
Or the physics of whatever verse its in its magic
Cos some forerunner tech and covie tech breaks real physics too im sure
Heck the Flood in og trilogy break physics by itself
humble yacht
They don’t, really
Aside from the gravemind’s telepathy, the flood’s abilities to infect and spread are rooted in biology
terse lava
I think they mean more the fact it can reanimate the dead
cedar surge
Not really
humble yacht
Well when an organism dies, it means that at the macro level there are system failures
cedar surge
They just use the biomass
humble yacht
But that doesn’t mean every individual cell dies all at once
cedar surge
The infection form is doing the work
humble yacht
It takes time for the rest of the body to fully die
Medically, death is just characterized as a lack of heartbeat
cedar surge
@jolly furnace would you say the unsc is physics friendly?
Also I read that realisticly there would be no way for the flood to infect that fast
And the skin would be boiling hot after infection
Though I'm not really sure
What would it take to fight off a flood infection?
humble yacht
Some seriously beefy natural killer cells
dense helm
Halo is deep sci-fi, it's not fantasy just because there are elements we don't understand as we do/don't with our own universe.
The idea that the Domain is both a place and a consciousness of it's own doesn't violate the tenants of what's possible. It contains an intelligence within its infrastructure.
Star Wars sort of says "this is what there is out there and feel it running through you", if that makes sense.
The Forerunners also mastered electromagnetism and harmonic resonance so anything that looks gravity-defying is essentially abiding by sci-fi principles.
It's not exactly the same as "hey, the power of the Force runs in me and I will summon it from within to move these boulders with my sheer will do to so".
Hopefully that makes sense. Halo has scientifically or sci-fi (what's theoretically possible with our understanding of science) abiding principles and explanations for that.
Star Wars says "what is" without necessarily those same explanations. They create the perception that some things are magical in that sense and that's how it is. The Force be with you.
terse lava
True, oddly reminds me of some of the Covenant thinking there was an "overgod" that the.forerunners were merely avatars of
cedar surge
I can't believe that it took me this long to put two and two together that what mercy meant when he died was that he thought humanity was forerunners who got left behind
Though I'm not sure how they reached that conclusioj
All MB told them was that humanity was reclaimers
gilded mason
All MB told them was that humanity was reclaimers```
Probably because of his *very next line* after that.
> < THIS IS NOT RECLAMATION > the Oracle boomed. < THIS IS RECLAIMER >
> [...]
> < AND THOSE IT REPRESENTS ARE MY MAKERS >Yeah, MB dropped the ball heavier than the mass of a black hole. Took me some time too though, I assumed he met the Spartans at the time
dense helm
Reading between the lines as an invested fan can be so rewarding sometimes when things come up later.
Love it.
dense pulsar
Does Master Chief like music?
gilded mason
Probably
west loom
Only anime openings
dense pulsar
I honestly wouldn't be surprised
humble yacht
You think there is a Saturday morning cartoon about Spartans?
Maybe about Chief himself?
cedar surge
"Watch you favorite cartoon where your soon to be dead hero's are defending reach from a genocidal alien empire :D"
"Perfect for children!"
dense pulsar
Probably not that hard
I mean
They made GI Joe
So applying military stuff to a kids cartoon, especially spartans cant be that hard
indigo depot
Nvm
It's not
Did you know John 117 was kidnapped
The girl with no hand isn't his mom or family she was the one using John 117 and others for them becoming a spartan
And she chose John cuz he had powers
He was like strong and stuff
unique rune
I feel like that’s easily one of the most vaguely worded explanations of the Spartan-II program that one could ever write
humble yacht
And she chose John cuz he had powers
craggy sierra
Also that’s kinda entry level when it comes to lore tidbits
jolly furnace
@cedar surge I've read that the Flood's ability and rate of infection violates thermodynamics
among other laws
and I think its true from what I recall of those laws
So the Flood is pretty magical on its own
leaden minnow
@jolly furnace isn’t that kind of the point
They were descendants from a hyper advanced multidimensional precursor race would t it make sense that they have abilities most wouldn’t perceive in 3 dimensional reality?
jolly furnace
Yeah UNSC seems physics friendly
@leaden minnow Yeah I mean before all that was added
The later info simply gives more reason as to how they can do that.
Prior to FS, the Flood was an extragalactic hivemind parasite (still is btw) with some telepathic eldtritch horror kinda central intelligence)
Human Weakness added the latter bit
then we got FS
which really went full blown cosmic horror
and took the Flood tthere
leaden minnow
But If the lore didn’t say anything and they did break very controversial laws the the sanghelli would also defy gravity and can literally rip holes in the space time
jolly furnace
YAH
True
Even the hardest Sci-fi has to break physics if it wants pratical intersteller travel for characters in the story
Im just sayin Neural Physics is basically magic
and the Flood was pretty much magic in its abilities before that was invented
leaden minnow
Yea like their starships literally have a Omni oatc srj plasma casta glassing super beam
jolly furnace
Its not a bad thing
leaden minnow
Wouldn’t that like just melt all of their ships during use
jolly furnace
It probably do more damage then we see visually.
I dunno
We'd need a better informed person
Im no expert
leaden minnow
Neither am I
jolly furnace
I would think being near one would boil you alive
leaden minnow
I just like the small continuity errors of the big things ya kno
jolly furnace
Fair enough
leaden minnow
The amount of plasma on a regular type 3 glassing beam would be enough to wipe an entire solar system of life because the
Radiant heat would refract and get sent into super cold space time and super heat due to thermal reprocusive reheats ion it would practically be a guardian but if a guardian wanted to destroy entire civilisations
jolly furnace
Well thats nice to know
So Covies tech break physics to
Or at least real physics
Basically it seems only Precursor tech breaks Halo physics
craggy sierra
We didn't realize this at the point where they had grav lifts?
jolly furnace
Huh?
sharp adder
what?
sharp adder
firts halo recing cpatian keys
terse lava
..what?
fringe robin
"first Halo, where you rescue Captain Keyes"
sharp adder
in the first halo game when you rece caotain keys you enter the ship via a grvaity lift
terse lava
True
sharp adder
so uless you havent played many of the halo games la of them ibooe you actully useing or seeing one
wispy wasp
Is master chief a functional person? He seems a lot more like a weapon than human, and from what talk i have heard from him it is just about the mission at hand
unique rune
He's... functional enough?
The whole man vs machine thing was a pretty big point in Halo 4's campaign
north prism
Yeah its a pretty big plot point that chief is more machine than man
I think my favorite point was that chief has all this elite military/combat knowledge and skill, while only having the social and human capabilities of a child or young adult.
sharp adder
yeah i hope that quettsio has a impct in infinte
north prism
i really hope they consider 4's story impact in infinite
im so sad it its been practically abandoned
sharp adder
year that was a importnt moment in the game in every game that quetsion has been there
misty island
Fork
unique rune
Ah blast it. Library didn't approve the purchase suggestions I made for the Spartan field manual and Renegades.
Guess I'll have to put off reading those for a bit.
craggy sierra
There’s always amazon
dense pulsar
Providing Noble 6 did make it off Reach, would ONI just take him back to be their attack dog or would the UNSC go "nah he's too filthy at this alien killing stuff"
craggy sierra
They’d probably do exactly what they did with all the other Spartan 3’s
craggy sierra
Keep em around and grandfather them into the S4 program. Unless they just wanted a desk job instead like Jun I guess.
Gotta remember at the end of the day there was nothing particularly special about 6 from the rest of the bunch beyond the fact that he was a Sabre pilot.
cedar surge
Anybody who escaped reach escaped on a ship
Everyone who was still on the ground died
wispy wasp
Didn't very few survive reach?
north prism
were there any that remained? im not entirely sure
wispy wasp
Apparently there were
cedar surge
@north prism some of the reach defense fleet linked up with earth's
north prism
well thats pretty cool then.
craggy sierra
there were apparently a few ground survivors in rurale areas.
north prism
which is insane imo
craggy sierra
Not really. There’s only so many hours in a day and places to be. Not gonna bother diverting a squad of troops to take out that town in the middle of nowhere with a population of like 30 or bother flying a glassing beam over it.
north prism
ah this is true. you just kinda figure that the covenant is gonna glass as much as possible yknow.
craggy sierra
Yeah no, they usually only focus glassing on major city centres and resource lands like farms and industrial zones.
wispy wasp
Like imagine glassing wyoming
craggy sierra
I think it’s pointed out that if the covenant did want to glass like every inch of a planet it would take literal years
prisma root
Since Zeta Halo is made by the Greater Ark, If it got destroyed will the Lesser Ark produce a replacement for it?
wispy wasp
I'd say yes because it's still a part of the lesser ark even if it was made by the greater ark
gilded mason
Well, somethin' is happening on it
craggy sierra
Yeah I’m guessing all the hexagons aren’t there by design
It gives me 3D printer vibes
gilded mason
Yeah
craggy sierra
Like a swarm of those small passive drones from the start of sacred icon are just gonna fly by and finish carving a mountain range out of it.
And it seems to be carrying on in spite of the fact that it does seems to be in multiple pieces.
lethal comet
The hexagons look better than what we saw in the h3 warthog run
craggy sierra
That was all support structure stuff anyways. Barely any terrain had been put on top yet.
prisma root
yea it looked unfinished
cedar surge
I hope as time in infinite goes by some sections go completed
And not pull a "and it was never completed" for the next ten years
prisma root
Escharum face is still rendering
cedar surge
Escharum face doesn't look to bad
prisma root
it does
cedar surge
Though I do have pretty low standards
prisma root
it was a cutscene
craggy sierra
I doubt Infinite is going to be sticking to one ring for 10 years or even just sticking with chief.
It would kinda suck
prisma root
recall h2a, hw2 cutscenes
cedar surge
I played on older consoles for a long time so it doesn't really affect me as much
Those were pre rendered
Its obvious Escharum is rendered in engine
But those two were prerendered by blur
prisma root
they could use pre rendered for infinite too.
gilded mason
No thanks.
cedar surge
I don't know switching from the beutifal cutscene to regular gameplay would be kinda whiplash
craggy sierra
Games rarely if ever use pre-rendered cutscenes now a days unless doing so to overcome a specific technical limitation.
prisma root
Whaaa
prisma root
Pre-rendered looks cool
craggy sierra
Bruh
prisma root
I rather watch them on cutscenes
craggy sierra
Also inefficient.
prisma root
Million???
craggy sierra
Pre-rendered is barely used in gaming now a days unless being used to overcome a technical limitation.
prisma root
Wut
rigid current
So when was Chief's name revealed to be John?
cedar surge
Pre rendered cutscene for video games are expensive @prisma root
gilded mason
There's a lot of work that goes into making prerendered scenes
craggy sierra
Literally on CE
cedar surge
That a why games use cutscene in engine
prisma root
no?
cedar surge
It was in engine
gilded mason
Only the first and last scenes
prisma root
it wasn't bad tho
craggy sierra
Sway, have you actually played any games outside of Halo this last decade?
prisma root
yes
cedar surge
No its not expensive for us
humble yacht
The first and last cutscenes in H4 were CG scenes
prisma root
i played Doom
cedar surge
Its expensive for 343
prisma root
resident evil 2
craggy sierra
Halo Wars 2 needed pre-rendered because the from a distance low poly models used for gameplay were ill suited to being in cutscenes. So instead of having to go through the effort of making a bunch of high quality assets never to be used in gameplay and a full cutscene engine they went with hiring blur to make videos for them.
prisma root
yea, i understand
cedar surge
And blurs work is great but expensive
prisma root
i got the idea why the use pre rendered
craggy sierra
Look at a game like DMCV and you’ll see why pre-rendered scenes in games are largely unnecessary now.
prisma root
but i love the details and emotions you could see on the blur cutscenes
cedar surge
Yea
prisma root
The flood scene during hw2
cedar surge
I think they worked on both halo wars games and H2A
prisma root
yep
craggy sierra
And those details and emotions have been brought across in equal measure in games not using pre-rendered
north prism
blur cutscenes are amazing for things like h2a and hw2, but i think in most mainline games i prefer the in-engine cutscenes.
craggy sierra
I’d expect the same from Infinite as well.
humble yacht
Game engines have come a long way
prisma root
name those games waffle
gilded mason
Jackie Chan
cedar surge
Plus I would say FPS would require much more cutscene than sometjing like HW2
And considering infinite is open world
That would cost a lot
prisma root
Imagine seeing Atriox in Escharum rendering after seeing him in hw2
craggy sierra
Devil May Cry V
Resident Evil 7
Resident Evil 2
Really anything made by capcom.
Final Fantasy XV if we ignore the NPC interaction scenes and just focus on the cinematic scenes.
The list goes on.
cedar surge
Its less expensive to use the already good engine to make cutscene than to crack open the bank to make movie like cutscenes
Battlefront 2?
That EA Jedi game
carmine sleet
Just to add to Waffle's list, Assassin's Creed Origins, that game's animation in the cutscenes was really good at showing emotion
prisma root
Devil May Cry V
Resident Evil 7
Resident Evil 2
Really anything made by capcom.
Final Fantasy XV if we ignore the NPC interaction scenes and just focus on the cinematic scenes.
The list goes on.
But don't you think, Blur made it look very realistic?
More like a movie
cedar surge
Battlefield
prisma root
yea batlefield
cedar surge
Yes they did
carmine sleet
But don't you think, Blur made it look very realistic?
More like a movie
Not everything needs to be prerendered or ultra realistic looking
prisma root
God of war
humble yacht
That EA Jedi game
I don’t think Fallen Order used in engine cutscenes
carmine sleet
It did for the most part
cedar surge
I mean does the flood really need to be at hyper detail?
Like a really realistic flood
humble yacht
You could clearly tell when the cutscene transitioned into gameplay
carmine sleet
They just had different versions of the character models and textures for cutscenes and gameplay
craggy sierra
That’s a common practice
prisma root
Not everything needs to be prerendered or ultra realistic looking
true, but i just don't want it to look like how they showed it in the demo
that looks kinda bad
carmine sleet
Like, there's no way they'd render out multiple versions of the same cutscene for each outfit and lightsaber combo
cedar surge
I think it just needs some polish
Though I do have low standers from using older stuff
Like stuff needs to having more of a worn look
craggy sierra
true, but i just don't want it to look like how they showed it in the demo
@prisma root this is why I ask if you’ve played games besides Halo because you should know the standard for in-game cinematics is rather high now a days and should understand that this is probably going to be an area receiving polish before release to bring it up to par with most games.
prisma root
if they're gonna polish it, then i'm good
cedar surge
I don't know why but I think that game had the worst faces in the entire series
prisma root
no, it was ahead of it's time
craggy sierra
I mean yeah if you’re comparing Halo to Halo H2A has the best cutscenes. Compare Halo to the rest of the industry and we’ve pretty much started surpassing H2A’s cutscenes in-engine now a days depending on the game.
I still give the best cutscenes I’ve ever seen in-engine to DMCV
cedar surge
I just hope they do mac guns glory
Sometimes they make it look like lasers
Like in 4 where the infinity was shooting its mac guns but it looked like it was shooting lasers
humble yacht
I don’t think the scene artists were going for Mac guns in that scene
carmine sleet
Wasn't it something that was said retroactively to be Mac cannons?
cedar surge
Yea on the halopedia page it says macs
humble yacht
Whatever halo book talks about halo ships detailed the infinity’s weapons
It doesn’t have lasers
But that book came out after H4
craggy sierra
There’s not that many ways you can visualize a giant chunk of metal flying through space at super-sonic speeds.
cedar surge
A yellow blur?
craggy sierra
Lots of media just tends to give them really exaggerated after trails.
cedar surge
For like half a frame?
carmine sleet
You're not likely to see half a frame of something
Heck, you'd have to have double the frames to have "half a frame"
cedar surge
Well wouldn't that how fast the mac shoots normally in lore?
craggy sierra
I don’t know if mac rounds go faster than a normal gun shot. I think they just get by on being massive chunks of metal.
cedar surge
I think they go like 4 percent the speed of light
humble yacht
Infinity has the most advanced MACs on the market
cedar surge
Market?
prisma root
The books have mentioned that too?
craggy sierra
What % of light speed is sound?
humble yacht
Lol, much less than 4
prisma root
yep
cedar surge
Like 0.4%?
prisma root
sound travels like 340m/s
humble yacht
343 m/s, actually 😉
prisma root
343 if you used google
humble yacht
But that’s in air
carmine sleet
In a vacuum, it'd be zero for the speed of sound since there's nothing for the sound to travel through
humble yacht
Light is 6 orders of magnitude faster than sound
prisma root
light travels at 3x10^8m/s
cedar surge
Wonder if any planets are going to get hit after a stray mac canon shot
Like there must be a few thousand just flying through space after the war
So the unsc leave insurrectionists to die but also re ruit them
west silo
Why would they recruit innies?
cedar surge
Well we see them a few times recruiting innies
Like the lead hellbringers on the SoF
west silo
By accident
cedar surge
She was a innie
west silo
They had no idea scrubb was an innie
Kansano?
She surrendered and then joined the unsc to fight the covenant for glassing her homeworld
carmine sleet
Scruggs became an Innie at some point between becoming an S-IV and Halo Escalation
Kinsano was an Innie in the time before the Human-Covenant War but joined the UNSC to fight the Covenant after many of her allies scattered or got slaughtered by them
sharp adder
evr ant unsc anit ueg did that
west silo
Eh?
cedar surge
"We insurrectionists unsc can't believe ueg did that"?
craggy sierra
Stupid question about grunts but is it ever explained what happens if they do breathe oxygen? Like I know they generally can’t but like what effects does it have on them before they die? Is it something like carbon monoxide poisoning for humans?
versed helm
must be
gilded mason
Though that'd make the H4 and 5 Grunts with their maskless mouths just a bit odd.
craggy sierra
I mean that’s why I’m asking since this came up in another chat.
They generally need methane to live, we know that. But what happens when they go without?
gilded mason
Yeah, I don't recall reading about negative effects, sadly
unique rune
I’d imagine they probably just suffocate, unless something about oxygen is just flat out incompatible with their biology, which... seems unlikely.
But yeah, doesn’t seem like there’s any official word on whether or not breathing oxygen has any harmful effects on Unggoy.
Can’t imagine it’d be all that different from us breathing in an environment with, say, high methane concentration. Main threat there would appear to be oxygen deprivation, just going off a quick Internet search.
feral merlin
Is 343 going to continue production of animations just like halo legends?
versed helm
i hope so
feral merlin
Would be really nice to cry
gilded mason
If they do, it's hopefully not gonna be anime again
feral merlin
Any type will do
dense pulsar
I think if they get the right studios to do the shorts it would be nice
Ufotable, Mad House, Aniplex, and bones would be cool to see
I don't know who they got to do Legends back in 2010 but watching it now, it really feels like they got a bunch of cheaper studios to do works for them even by the standards of that time. I think anime has grown enough for a Halo Legends 2 to be way better
gilded mason
Please no more anime
dense pulsar
Especially if they got Sunrise on it? They're basically masters at telling more war based stories
Wym, there hasn't been anything Halo anime related in a decade
gilded mason
And that was enough
dense pulsar
I think anime would be an interesting medium for some Halo stories to be told in, you just need people with a decent grasp of the source material
modest bobcat
Did the Forerunners have an actual name for themselves?
rigid current
I'm fairly sure Forerunners is their actual name
modest bobcat
Like Elites are actually Sangheili and Brutes are actually Jiralhanae, and so on, so forth.
That’s dumb.
rigid current
Why did you remove your first post?
modest bobcat
Lest I get banished for saying a cuss
modest bobcat
Yeah dude
rigid current
... 🤔
modest bobcat
I don’t know what swears are prohibited or not so I steer clear of saying them as best I can
rigid current
Odd
modest bobcat
Anyway: I get like, Spark calling them Forerunners, right?
‘Cause he’s there to exposit info on them.
But them calling themselves Forerunners is just ridiculous to me.
rigid current
even Didact calls them Forerunners
Perhaps they had an original name but
it was lost to time
Since in their hubris and ego
They considered themselves the head honchos
modest bobcat
Honestly the Forerunners are just a subject that as it gets more explored I lose more interest in.
Plus as their aesthetic shifts from dull tones and semi-naturalistic building to high sci-fi I find it less unique.
modest bobcat
@rigid current Hey, you seem to know a good deal
“Covenant weapons are always superior, but when faced with a choice of wielding no weapon or a Human weapon, our forces should acquire the nearest weapon at hand—even if Human. A basic understanding of how these primitive weapons work is important so that we may use these weapons to our advantage.” Have you seen this excerpt from the Halo 2 Limited Edition Manual?
It’s, I think, the earliest example of an Elite talking about using Human weapons
Where did the stereotype that Elites will never use Human weapons come from?
leaden minnow
in the games the human weapons seem to be more effective than plasma based weaponry
i mean i can 1 tap an elite in the head with a magnum but i cant 1 tap an elite to the head with a plasma pistol
modest bobcat
You won’t find me disagreeing, but this text is from the perspective of a Sangheili writing to the Supreme Council on Human weapons.
leaden minnow
but just maybe be becasue of their built in plasma radiation immunity
modest bobcat
Obviously a superiority complex is to be expected.
lethal comet
They consider human tech to be tainted
It is highly dishonorable for them to use human weapons
Thel could use human weapons in h2 cause probably gameplay
Or since he was the arbiter
He didn't have any honor to lose
A sangheili would rather fight with bare hands than pick up a human rifle right next to him
Post war, the only species we have seen use human weapons and tech are kig yar
leaden minnow
No, in halo CE the pillar autumn all the covenant i encountered on the way to vent were wielding human weapons
no sure if it was just a visual glitch or something in game because they were wielding human weaponry
modest bobcat
@lethal comet Obviously that’s a later retcon and I was asking where it came from
Because like I mentioned, in the manual they say it’s better to fight with a Human weapon than no weapon at all.
Also to be honest whoever invented that seems to not get that Sangheili honor isn’t a practice that means, ‘Commit suicide even when you could win.’
Sangheili commit suicide when that’s the only way to regain their honor as seen in Cole Protocol.
They’re rigid in their honorcode but they aren’t uniformly stupid.
modest bobcat
Sources say either Ghosts of Onyx or Fall of Reach.
I like those books but, man, making Sangheili that suicidally fanatical/honorbound is ludicrous.
lethal comet
Another source I just found
In reach firefight
Elites who use human weapons are classified as heretics in the menu
modest bobcat
Honestly I just think the retcon makes the Covenant look so much worse
Like the Covenant got where they are by being somewhat smart, not just ruthless aggression
They’re not Caesar’s Legion
carmine sleet
Elites who use human weapons are classified as heretics in the menu
I wouldn't really take them being classed as heretics in Firefight as a canon thing
cedar surge
atriox said something real funny. "no on suffered more under the covenant than the jirlhanne"
some others may disagree with that
cedar surge
though how are the banished assmeling these mecha suits
pale zephyr
The banished scavenge old human/covenant/forerunner tech
Immpretty sure there are also plenty of arms dealers in the galaxy v;
cedar surge
yea but
this is real bg poweer armor
like decimus was wearing at least a foot in armor i think
maybe e exageration
pale zephyr
I mean, if you look at their armor
It's all cobbled together from bits of unsc/covenant armor
Atriox seems to have bits of salvaged Mjolnir armor too
unique rune
The Banished are implied, if not outright stated, to have amassed vast amounts of resources, so... not that weird that they'd have the ability to build powered exoskeletons.
Wouldn't take much more than drawing up some plans, prototyping, then putting into production at whatever the Banished equivalent of an assembly forge is.
stiff creek
Yes, he does have an ODST chest bit on his abdomen. The armor that Atriox has in Halo Wars 2, did he get that during the war, or was it just from the raid on the Henry Lamb outpost?
I mean the UNSC bits.
unique rune
Probably mostly accumulated over the course of the War, with some parts from Henry Lamb.
stiff creek
Okay.
lethal comet
He has it in Rise of atriox
stiff creek
Which takes place in the year..?
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Eshrum has MJOLNIR armor pieces
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I like how hard it is spell Escharum's name
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echarts
versed helm
ekarum
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ekans
unique rune
escargot
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i've had that
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Eziekel
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Eshchauram
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A reading from the book of eshikel: set a fire in your heart spartan
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i think that would be bad for their health
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Halo infinite dlc: Chief gets heartburn
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The Escharum speech makes me so hyped everytime I see it
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yea it does
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i will
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I like Escharum cause he's the only antagonist who doesnt look down on chief
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well cortana
nimble crest
Meh
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They called him demon
Escharum is the only one who calls him spartan
And cortana is well.... cortana
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"don't you want to sleep in the secret sanctum john?"
"its only a few thousand years"
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:/
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well she was gong to do it
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keep it clean
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put john to sleep
i took it very differntly then you did usze
actually what did cortana plan to do after putting john to sleep for a few thousand years and him waking up
to expect him to just go along with everything?
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She expected him to see the new world she had made and understand that she was right
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And probably not a few thousand years
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with everybody he knows probably dead or super old