#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 399

stiff creek Sep 10, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Unless you mean literally, then yes, they are.

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buh dum tss

cedar surge Sep 10, 2020, 10:58 PM

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they should be used too create more ships

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and not just forgotten after the infinity is gone

stiff creek Sep 10, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Ye.

nimble crest Sep 10, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Did holland die ?

stiff creek Sep 10, 2020, 11:02 PM

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From what I know, we have no clue.

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Hope not.

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He had quite some solid composure, and a pretty soothing voice.

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To me, at least.

nimble crest Sep 10, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Yes

west silo Sep 10, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Is the oort cloud near earth

cedar surge Sep 10, 2020, 11:24 PM

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i like HW2 scorpion

west silo Sep 10, 2020, 11:24 PM

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I like halo 5 scorpion

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Especially Hannibal

cedar surge Sep 10, 2020, 11:26 PM

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HW2 had it look advanced

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without making it look like another type of tank

nimble crest Sep 10, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Isabelle found blueprints on the ark for upgraded versions yes?

west silo Sep 10, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Yep

cedar surge Sep 10, 2020, 11:27 PM

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plus i think it got made shorter

delicate notch Sep 10, 2020, 11:52 PM

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Wait what, why would there be blueprints of new versions of the scorpion tank on the ark? :S

cedar surge Sep 10, 2020, 11:52 PM

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xperias comment section is treating staten returning like a messiah

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when he is just a project lead

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not the writer

delicate notch Sep 10, 2020, 11:53 PM

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(I just ate ice cream, not bragging)

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@cedar surge - I guess he's seen like that because they hope hes gonna put the finishing touches on it, which Halo 4-5 lacked.

cedar surge Sep 10, 2020, 11:58 PM

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isn't his entire job now is to just make sure teams stay on track?

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not to rewrite the story

delicate notch Sep 10, 2020, 11:59 PM

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Pretty much, but it will also include keeping the teams working more in tandem, rather than different teams.

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But he wont make the game a new game, just a more polished game (I hope).

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:04 AM

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people seem to take his return as that infinite will be a dumpester fire

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because why else would he return

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why else

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Didn't one of the last games he write become a flop

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:06 AM

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yea im seriously seeing these types of comments

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Recore was it

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:06 AM

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oh he wrote that?

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Well he worked on it

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Them game was pretty hype up and died immediately

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:08 AM

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was it hyped because he wrote it?

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:08 AM

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I don't know maybe it did look interesting not gonna lie

delicate notch Sep 11, 2020, 12:08 AM

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It was hyped cause it was one of the games they announced Xbox One with

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:09 AM

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Yeah that two

delicate notch Sep 11, 2020, 12:09 AM

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At E3

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:09 AM

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Man Xbox one launch was a disaster

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:10 AM

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for halo?

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:10 AM

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For Microsoft

delicate notch Sep 11, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Kinect was the disaster.

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Man people remember that

delicate notch Sep 11, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Remove $150 of the price and add the Kinect as an accessory you can buy.

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:11 AM

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saw somebody on reddit get mad that the banished were using boxes

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:12 AM

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What boxes

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:12 AM

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you know in the infinite demo

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where we see banished buildings

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a person on reddit got mad that they were boxes

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Could be unsc supplies that they scavenged

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:13 AM

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they complained that the buildings looked too human

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Ohhhh the bases

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Well duh there brute designs

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Brute stuff always kinda resembled human design

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Just with more spikes

unique rune Sep 11, 2020, 12:15 AM

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I mean I don't think it's an entirely unfair complaint

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Most of the Banished structures in HW2 were very distinct from their human equivalents

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:15 AM

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i wouldn't say the box is a human concept

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its a simple shape

delicate notch Sep 11, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Only humans uses boxes

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😉

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:16 AM

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covenant

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also forerunners too i think

delicate notch Sep 11, 2020, 12:16 AM

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They dont use boxes, they use crates.

unique rune Sep 11, 2020, 12:16 AM

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...I think y'all are just missing the point now.

delicate notch Sep 11, 2020, 12:16 AM

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(Im joking)

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:17 AM

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yea the banished in HW2 had their own very distinct bases

unique rune Sep 11, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Covenant architecture and machinery was rarely boxy and covered in hard 90 degree angles

Their Banished equivalents weren't really like that either throughout HW2

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:17 AM

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that looked ready to explode at any second

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yea sharp edges and hexagons

delicate notch Sep 11, 2020, 12:17 AM

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How ever, I felt that was the issue with the weapons in H4-5 too. Every forerunner weapon felt like the UNSC weapons in a new skin.

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:18 AM

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The banished aren't covenant and are known to use human stuff

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They literally raid human strongholds

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:19 AM

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strongholds? you mean outposts

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Yes

nimble crest Sep 11, 2020, 12:19 AM

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The banished vehicles look like they were mashed between human and covenant tech and I utterly adore it

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:19 AM

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yea they have their own vehicles

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along with brute vehicles

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along with vehicles for grunts

delicate notch Sep 11, 2020, 12:20 AM

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The chopper looked awesome. What more vehicles did they have?

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Spikes make everything better

nimble crest Sep 11, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Skiffs are cool

unique rune Sep 11, 2020, 12:20 AM

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I wouldn't say they have much human-looking influence

Banished tech is much more Covenant with a heavy Jiralhanae flavor

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:21 AM

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The blisterback is pretty cool

nimble crest Sep 11, 2020, 12:21 AM

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A futuristic raiders look

delicate notch Sep 11, 2020, 12:21 AM

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But most of the brute designs are pretty much reworked cov/human stuff

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Vehicles
The vehicles at their disposal include the Blisterback mobile missile battery, Shroud aerial stealth vehicle, Marauder tank, and Reaver anti-aircraft walker. The spike turret is used for static defense. They also field the Goblin, Methane Wagon, Skitterer, Chopper, Spirit, Banshee, Wraith, Locust, Ghost, Scarab, Phantom and Lich, all of which depart from typical Covenant aesthetics.[80] The Banished also make use of Type-52 Prowlers

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:22 AM

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There rocket AT ST are cool as well

nimble crest Sep 11, 2020, 12:22 AM

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The brutes look more towering and lore accurate imo

unique rune Sep 11, 2020, 12:22 AM

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But most of the brute designs are pretty much reworked cov/human stuff
Barely anything Jiralhanae is derived from human tech

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:22 AM

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i like the scrappy design

nimble crest Sep 11, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Swole

unique rune Sep 11, 2020, 12:22 AM

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The one exception is like
the Chopper

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:23 AM

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the chopper uses human tech?

unique rune Sep 11, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Yeah

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:23 AM

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aint it a old brute design?

nimble crest Sep 11, 2020, 12:23 AM

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The thrusters on the banished phantom looks cross engineered from UNSC thrusters

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From harvest infact

unique rune Sep 11, 2020, 12:23 AM

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It's based on a reverse-engineered JOTUN farming machine design

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 12:24 AM

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The mini reaper is also good

unique rune Sep 11, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Ironically, the first prototype of the Brute Chopper was built in 2525 by a Huragok named Lighter Than Some, as a well-intentioned peace offering towards the human population of Harvest. The pacifistic Huragok built them in imitation of the colonists' mechanized JOTUN plows, intending them to be used in the same way as their human-made counterparts.

delicate notch Sep 11, 2020, 12:25 AM

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The names in Halo are awesome

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Lighter Than Some is such a bad name its good.

unique rune Sep 11, 2020, 12:26 AM

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I'm still trying to make sense of how Yapyap's methane wagons are supposed to be derived from Shadow transports.

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:30 AM

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The parking brake is made up of a chunk of wood

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What other faction would let this happen except for the banished

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@unique rune i can see some of the shadow in there

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I hope if blue team fights the Banished in SoR they fight or use a bunch of banished vehicles

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When the flood crash landed at earth why didn't ODPs immediately start trying to destroy the infestation

delicate notch Sep 11, 2020, 12:52 AM

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ODP?

gilded mason Sep 11, 2020, 12:52 AM

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Orbital Defense Platform

unique rune Sep 11, 2020, 12:55 AM

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I don't think the ODPs and their crews would've specifically known exactly what the crashed infested cruiser was

terse lava Sep 11, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Plus they couldn't do that anyway. Would just throw up flood dust and debris further

unique rune Sep 11, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Once it passed through the defense grid it'd basically be not their problem

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 1:19 AM

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After a few hours it would

candid laurel Sep 11, 2020, 1:55 AM

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plothole that i need to know why was the gravemind who is super smart send high charity into the ark

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 2:01 AM

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Tried to stop the ark from firing by crashing into it I guess

unique rune Sep 11, 2020, 2:09 AM

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The Ark is located outside of the Milky Way galaxy, which is beyond the effective range of the Halo Array.

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So... it’s pretty much the perfect position for the Flood to continue their expansion.

candid laurel Sep 11, 2020, 2:12 AM

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why do flood want to kill humans anyway

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i thought they were precursors who wanted humanity to take the mantle

unique rune Sep 11, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Corrupted Precursors

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Originally the Precursors wanted humanity to ascend, the Flood just wants to assimilate all life in the galaxy into a single intelligence with no independent free will as a punishment for the actions of the Forerunners

candid laurel Sep 11, 2020, 2:15 AM

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well the forerunners are no more kinda of dumb of the flood to want to assimilate the humans

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why can't humans catch a break in Halo

unique rune Sep 11, 2020, 2:15 AM

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I mean. It’s punishment for all of their creations. To prevent a similar uprising from occurring in the future.

candid laurel Sep 11, 2020, 2:16 AM

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everythin wants to kill them the Covenant, the Flood, the Didact

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i hated in Halo 4 ended when the city gets composed the humans had to go through some genocidal war only to just get composed because Chief had to release the Didact from containment

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Master Chief is indirectly responsible for all their deaths

craggy sierra Sep 11, 2020, 2:40 AM

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I mean the covenant are mostly over trying to kill everyone.

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What happened 100,000 years ago doesn’t matter to anyone who’s currently alive

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And everyone’s kinda getting equally screwed by the created

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 2:44 AM

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One can only hope

lethal comet Sep 11, 2020, 3:14 AM

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The grunts seem to be doing fine

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 3:17 AM

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@candid laurel on the bright side

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It was only a few million who died

halcyon sorrel Sep 11, 2020, 3:41 AM

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Lets be honest. Grunts are depressed

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 3:57 AM

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So is abbadon still at the forerunner capital or did he leave

terse lava Sep 11, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Unknown, he may have been "reset"

surreal cape Sep 11, 2020, 4:46 AM

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So I've been wanting to get into the lore outside of the games. I got a lot of the books from back in the day but never read them.
When it comes to the books I have:
Forerunner Trilogy
Contact Harvest
Fall of Reach
The Flood
First Strike
Glasslands
Evolutions.
I believe those are timeline wise correct. Any other novels I should know of and where they fall?

lethal comet Sep 11, 2020, 4:49 AM

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There are like 30 novels

versed helm Sep 11, 2020, 5:12 AM

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You missed out Onyx

terse lava Sep 11, 2020, 5:16 AM

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And Broken Circle can be put before Harvest and after the forerunner trilogy

lethal comet Sep 11, 2020, 5:40 AM

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You forgot thursday war, mortal dicatata, new blood and bad blood at the end

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Silent storm after Contact harvest

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Cole protocol before fall of reach

surreal cape Sep 11, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Holy hell

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:47 AM

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And oblivion after silent storm

versed helm Sep 11, 2020, 5:50 AM

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All of escalation

lethal comet Sep 11, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Renegades

surreal cape Sep 11, 2020, 6:12 AM

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Nevermind

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Too much

lethal comet Sep 11, 2020, 6:44 AM

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https://haruspis-blog.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/haruspis.blog/2020/09/05/recapping-every-halo-book-in-a-sentence-or-two/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15995867025291&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fharuspis.blog%2F2020%2F09%2F05%2Frecapping-every-halo-book-in-a-sentence-or-two%2F

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This is painfully true

echo nebula Sep 11, 2020, 6:51 AM

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One book at a time. I rather enjoy listening to the audio books while I drive

inner basin Sep 11, 2020, 10:45 AM

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I read the books, and then to recap stuff I didn’t understand after another read through, I either ask here, go on to Halopedia or check/post on the Waypoint forums

prisma root Sep 11, 2020, 11:00 AM

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Did mendicant bias bring the ship spirit of fire to the ark?

carmine sleet Sep 11, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Unknown

prisma root Sep 11, 2020, 11:03 AM

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is mendicant bias alive?

frigid jungle Sep 11, 2020, 11:21 AM

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does arcade games made by 343 count as canon

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such as Fireteam Raven in Timezone

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 11:25 AM

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Yes

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Raven is canon

frigid jungle Sep 11, 2020, 11:25 AM

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so i played it and Raven is set when Master Chief was escaping the Pillar Of Autumn right?

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or am i wrong?

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 11:27 AM

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Raven is set along the time chief is on the ring yes

frigid jungle Sep 11, 2020, 11:27 AM

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okay thanks

versed helm Sep 11, 2020, 11:59 AM

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This may sound like a silly question, but are MJOLNIR suits waterproof?

lethal comet Sep 11, 2020, 12:04 PM

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Yes

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They can also be used in the vacuum of space

high path Sep 11, 2020, 12:20 PM

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I thought Master chief's only weakness was water. Anyway, there's no way chief can swim

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with half ton of armor

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 12:20 PM

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spartans sink like a brick in water

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but they dont die

prisma root Sep 11, 2020, 12:21 PM

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hi lance

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are you well versed with the halo lore?

lethal comet Sep 11, 2020, 12:21 PM

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Mjolnir probably has something like life jackets

prisma root Sep 11, 2020, 12:22 PM

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i have some questions

lethal comet Sep 11, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Dying to water would be stupid

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@prisma root ask away

prisma root Sep 11, 2020, 12:22 PM

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hey usze

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uh dm?

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can i dm you?

lethal comet Sep 11, 2020, 12:23 PM

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Yes you can

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 1:00 PM

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if mars is terraformed why does it look the same

lethal comet Sep 11, 2020, 1:06 PM

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Maybe is only terraformed in a few places

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Isn't it stated that Mars is a green world similar to earth now

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 3:12 PM

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it says its a earth like planet now

lethal comet Sep 11, 2020, 3:28 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/7/73/Fleet_of_Furious_Redemption.PNG

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This is what mars looks like

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Its not green

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/thumb/5/56/Misriah_Armory_1.JPG/800px-Misriah_Armory_1.JPG

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Terraforming has transformed the surface of Mars from a former barren and uninhabitable environment into an Earth-like world

lethal comet Sep 11, 2020, 3:29 PM

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This is what the surface looks like

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Earth like does not mean green and blue

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Probably means large water bodies and flora and fauna present

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 3:30 PM

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well arms race is on mars

lethal comet Sep 11, 2020, 3:31 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/thumb/2/27/Nightfall_-_Eos_Chasma.jpg/800px-Nightfall_-_Eos_Chasma.jpg
The surface

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well arms race is on mars
We only see the inside of the factory

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The only glimpse we get of the outside isnt green

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 3:35 PM

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in the start is that a marathon moving in the backround?

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well mars was mostlly left intact

last anchor Sep 11, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Aside from the portions the Covenant assaulted yeah

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:30 PM

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what do you think is going to be the explanations for the weapons going back to older designs

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and the sidekick is massive

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:31 PM

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The older magnums are way bigger

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:32 PM

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no in infinite chiefs hand barely wrapped around the gun

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:33 PM

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U know its kinda funny that the sidekick is just the halo 2 pistol design but with different colors

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Just look at it

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:34 PM

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What older designs

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 5:34 PM

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it's got similar frame to M6C but has some qualities that make it more like a modern day pistol

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:34 PM

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the BR went back

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Back?

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To what

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First time we’ve seen the BR75

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:34 PM

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The design

gilded mason Sep 11, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Erick. He's talking about how it looks more similar to H2-3 than H4-5

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Wise

carmine sleet Sep 11, 2020, 5:34 PM

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U know its kinda funny that the sidekick is just the halo 2 pistol design but with different colors
It's definitely not a M6C from Halo 2

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:35 PM

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But it’s not the halo 2 or 3 design so.

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But it’s not the halo 2 or 3 design so.

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:35 PM

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I meant similar design

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:35 PM

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It just is

gilded mason Sep 11, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Don't be pedantic.

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:35 PM

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That’s all.

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:35 PM

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It looks just like the halo 3 one

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:35 PM

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In the lore and universe

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It has severa differences

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And it’s a different design so

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There’s not much to say.

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Not by much

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:36 PM

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To an untrained eye

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 5:37 PM

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it's enough of a difference where people complain about it postums

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:37 PM

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It like going from 5s AR to reach AR

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:37 PM

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5 AR does look amazing

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:37 PM

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you mean DMR?

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:37 PM

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I hate reach AR

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:37 PM

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I wish they went with MA5D again instead of MA40

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:37 PM

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why

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:37 PM

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I like the bulldog

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:37 PM

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The looks. And probably the utility

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 5:38 PM

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i think the reach AR is fine

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Put the scope somewhere.

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:38 PM

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yea i would say that the AR consistantly looked good

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:38 PM

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MA5D has a neat system

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Not everyone is a fan of the reach AR

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Its just bad to use

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:39 PM

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It’d be a shame, and downgrade, to take off the ammo counter to put in a scope

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Customizable options

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I always want a AR with a grenade launcher

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Let it happen

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We know they exist

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Isn’t there an image of the m6h2 with an exploded view?

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It’d be very lore appropriate

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:41 PM

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exploded?

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maybe the AA scorpion

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:42 PM

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What?

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As in the different parts detached.

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Megablox

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Floating around

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What?

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:43 PM

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AA scorpion

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Megablox is where I saw it

fair hazel Sep 11, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Why are you mentioning the AA scorpion

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Mega construx

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Sun devil

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Hallo

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:44 PM

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hi

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I can't wait unto Halo infinite comes out I hope it comes out good

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I do wonder though why does the bulldog u inferior ammo to the standard unsc shotgun

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Don't we all

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Yeah

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They added so many new guns

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:45 PM

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oh the standard is suprior?

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:46 PM

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I can't believe Chief is going to fight the banished

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:46 PM

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i got used to peoplecalling unsc guns awful

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Yep 12 gauge

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Remember When the flood came back in Halo Wars 2 it is it going to be in Halo infinite

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 5:46 PM

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hopefully not

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Why

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The flood is my favorite faction

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 5:47 PM

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because I don't like the flood

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:47 PM

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because anytime they are in a game

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:47 PM

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And we don't like u uny

deep pewter Sep 11, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Flood suck tbh

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:47 PM

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the narrative instantly becomes about them

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:48 PM

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@west silo can you tell me where Earth is because I just want new friends it's not like I'm going to infect everyone

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Well to be honest every enemy eats up the narrative

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Interesting

deep pewter Sep 11, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Not every enemy

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And definitely not on the scale the flood does

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:49 PM

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what about the commando spartan

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and yea

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Do you guys think the Promethean will be in the new Halo game

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Yes

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Cool

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Without a doubt

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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in 1 2 3 HWS when the flood is introduced the game becomes about them

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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But I kind of feel like the flood will be in Halo infinite because the flood already is at war with the banished

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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I want them to be but i worry they won't be

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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flood

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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i have a feeling Infinite will try to pull a Ep IX

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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thefloo was beat in HW2

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pushed back

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broken

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defeated

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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in 1 2 3 HWS when the flood is introduced the game becomes about them
@cedar surge
Hey now be honest they were bearly in wars

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:53 PM

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@cedar surge well maybe the flood was killed like Halo 3 but they always rise up again because you never know when the gravemind comes

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I don't think they're dead

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:54 PM

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every other monitor got theirs contained

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the ones in HW2 are trapped in high charity

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Yeah

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:55 PM

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and any left are on shield worlds

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:55 PM

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U sure all the other monitors have everything under control

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 5:55 PM

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every modern flood outbreak has been because someone was being lazy or stupid

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after awhile that gets old

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Well the post war unsc has let some out

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 5:56 PM

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i don't think post war UNSC has purposefully released any flood

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they have spartan teams dedicated to handling outbreaks but that's different

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Not purposely

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 5:56 PM

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when has the unsc let out flood post war?

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:56 PM

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But there is still flood out there waiting

carmine sleet Sep 11, 2020, 5:57 PM

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That doesn't answer Chimera's question

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:57 PM

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the unsc specifically have spartans patrolling installations to stop flood outbreaks

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Ehhh they just found places with flood

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Wait so the banished are alive right what happened to the Covenant again

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:57 PM

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broken

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shattered

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Oh

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:57 PM

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defeated

carmine sleet Sep 11, 2020, 5:57 PM

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The only post war outbreak I can think of is the one seen in ATN but that was by the Banished and they cleaned it up

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:58 PM

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The flood is very intelligent though

deep pewter Sep 11, 2020, 5:58 PM

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The death of Mdama and the pushing back of his forces off of Sanghelios has really put a dent in the largest remaining Covenant faction

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:58 PM

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flood so?

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if the flood is locked up hey can't do anything

tawny olive Sep 11, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Yeah i guess your right

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:59 PM

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every time they got out was because someone let them out

full forge Sep 11, 2020, 5:59 PM

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The only real remnant of the covenant after 2558 is the Servants of the Abiding Truth.

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Keepers of the One Freedom

full forge Sep 11, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Oh right

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 5:59 PM

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jul covenant

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 5:59 PM

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the Servants follow the old pre-covie sangheili religion

full forge Sep 11, 2020, 5:59 PM

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But they don't have Sangheili, right? The keepers?

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But the Keepers still want to light the rings.

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Well actually

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Do we know what happened to the keepers after Retribution?

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Doesn't one of them allow humans

full forge Sep 11, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Yeah, the keepers.

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 6:02 PM

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did the servants of the beating truth get assimilated into jul covenant

full forge Sep 11, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Of the Abiding truth, no.

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 6:09 PM

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buck turned his team into IVs after new blood right?

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 6:10 PM

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they were spartans during new blood

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they become spartans during the course of the novel

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 6:13 PM

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oh

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the coer had normal odst armor

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 6:14 PM

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what's "coer"?

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the cover?

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Well its called newblood

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 6:15 PM

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that's because they start out as ODSTs in the beginning

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 6:17 PM

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so humans really did dress up as the covenant

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was this before or after meridian was attacked

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so was the destruction of those sanghelli colonies a problem to the covenant?

stiff creek Sep 11, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Probably not.

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Maybe to some Sangheili that were serving though, family and such.

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 6:25 PM

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I don't know man dressing up as a neon colored elite for a rock band sounds pretty cool

last anchor Sep 11, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Wasnt that something that happened in Battleborn.

inner basin Sep 11, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Sounds like it’s from Battleborn to me

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Yep the boat party I think

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 6:49 PM

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yea but at the time

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werent they commiting mass genocide

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even if they didn't fully know that

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they must know about colonies going offline

gilded mason Sep 11, 2020, 7:03 PM

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What it's on a different planet far away from you, people tend not to care too much. Heck, even if it's happening on the same planet, a lot of people wouldn't really care about genocide as long as it's not happening to them personally.

stable flower Sep 11, 2020, 7:03 PM

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The only real remnant of the covenant after 2558 is the Servants of the Abiding Truth.
@full forge And the Banished.

full forge Sep 11, 2020, 7:03 PM

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They're not covenant by any stretch of the imagination lol

stable flower Sep 11, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Neither are the Swords of Sanghelios but they're listed as such, along with the Servants of Abiding Truth.

humble yacht Sep 11, 2020, 7:05 PM

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they're splinter factions

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remnants

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they're splinter factions

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former covenant

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Isn't it weird that a battle was going on right above the planet and no one noticed

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It's reminds me of reach and how oni fooled everyone by just moving the ships to the other side of the planet

stable flower Sep 11, 2020, 7:27 PM

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That was mind-numbingly stupid on the UNSC's part

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Let's put all our ships on only one side of the planet
No one will ever get suspicious at all

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Yea that was a really dumb plot point

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Nobody is not going to notice a entire continent suddenly going dark and seeing fire in the sky

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And shrapnel falling from orbit

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Was everybody on reach living on one side of the planet?

inner basin Sep 11, 2020, 9:10 PM

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In one of the radio conversations from Reach (the game) there were two Marines talking about Insurrectionists and how the media was spreading it around that it was the Innies who hit the relay, but these Marines but the clues together and came to the conclusion that the Covenant might finally be on Reach. It gives an insight into how secretive the early stages of the Battle were

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Sooo no one looked up

inner basin Sep 11, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Well it’s not that simple, just because they moved their ships to one side of the planet, it could be a vastly remote area. There are plenty of remote areas on Earth too

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 9:26 PM

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yea but

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telescopes

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cameras

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anyone who went camping

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drones

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 9:57 PM

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so what unsc vehicles would you think hovering would actually help

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Flying cars would suck

inner basin Sep 11, 2020, 10:02 PM

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I don't think any UNSC vehicles need to hover

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:02 PM

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some people do

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 10:02 PM

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They did have some hover bike in one of the Spartan games

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:03 PM

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the scorpion hovering would make it a even bigger target

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its what

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7 meters tall?

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 10:03 PM

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And there is an anti gravity scorpion

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:03 PM

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yea it doesn't need the extra height

inner basin Sep 11, 2020, 10:04 PM

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They did have some hover bike in one of the Spartan games
I don't recall a hover bike, are you thinking of the Kestrel and mistaking it as a hover bike, because the Kestrel is an air vehicle

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:04 PM

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wait wat?

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Might be it did look like a unsc ghost

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:05 PM

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but its

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so close to the ground

inner basin Sep 11, 2020, 10:05 PM

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It's an air vehicle. It's basically a VTOL air vehicle

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Top down games baby

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:06 PM

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it doesn't even have a cover

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 10:06 PM

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So basically poor man's Hornet

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:06 PM

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rich man's gungoose

radiant terrace Sep 11, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Hog would be great hovering. The scorpion tank is tall, but its body is low. The high gun is designed, so it can be in a hole and still fire the gun. It’s a defensive tactic. That high gun is actually a good thing. A hovering scorpion wouldn’t be a bad thing. Go in the hole, kill the engine, anchor to the ground, and you have the same effect.

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:08 PM

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if you take the top turret out

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 10:08 PM

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How does it get out of the hole

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:08 PM

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it has nothing to shoot with

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the turret being so tall is the problem

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you can easily shoot at the turrets body

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 10:09 PM

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The scorpion being so big is a problem

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Specifically for just 2 crew

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:09 PM

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plus most of the tim the scorpion isn't in a hole

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its on ground engaging other vehicles

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 10:09 PM

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In fact it's too big for the hole

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:10 PM

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plus thats one specific situation

radiant terrace Sep 11, 2020, 10:10 PM

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There’s a term for tank holes, but I forget what it is. They dig a ramp, and the tank hides in it for a protected firing position. The Scorpio is deliberately designed with a high gun for this purpose. It allows the body of the tank to be fully concealed. Better to lose a gun, that’s easily removable, due to the modularity of the scorpion design, than it is to lose a whole tank.

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:10 PM

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if you lose the turret in the field

inner basin Sep 11, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Also where would the anti-gravity repulsors go for the Scorpion? Would they replace the treads?

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:10 PM

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i dont think you are coming back

radiant terrace Sep 11, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Also where would the anti-gravity repulsors go for the Scorpion? Would they replace the treads?
@inner basin

Yes

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Well just look at the mega contrux

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:11 PM

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wouldn't that make the job of the mine much easier?

inner basin Sep 11, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Conceptually, that sounds horrible. The replusors wouldn't be able to support the middle section and it'd likely have a huge dip

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:11 PM

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since now you have to expose bits to use anti gravity?

radiant terrace Sep 11, 2020, 10:12 PM

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If you lose the main turret, you have a gunner to get you home. You’re also always in a convoy of tanks. They’re not supposed to be deployed alone.

inner basin Sep 11, 2020, 10:12 PM

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You'd be surprised how many tanks are deployed alone in Halo (from what we've seen in the EU)

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:13 PM

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the scorpion being in the hole would be bad against the covenant

radiant terrace Sep 11, 2020, 10:13 PM

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This is UNSC protocol and real life protocol. The lore is more realistic than the games.

cedar surge Sep 11, 2020, 10:13 PM

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because all it takes is one wraith shot to get n to melt the tank

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the unsc learned static defences are bad against the covenant

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thats why mobile bases

radiant terrace Sep 11, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Scorpions have been in service for a couple hundred years. The Covenant wasn’t a threat when it was designed. The scorpion is the ultimate tank for conventional warfare.

terse lava Sep 11, 2020, 10:20 PM

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Seem quite slow compared to modern tanks

radiant terrace Sep 11, 2020, 10:22 PM

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They’re about 20mph slower than Abrams tanks, but they make up for that with better maneuverability and being crewed by one.

terse lava Sep 11, 2020, 10:24 PM

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That's not much to brag about when the Pulitzer can easily be taken out and a gunner is completely exposed

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 10:25 PM

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How fast is an abrams?

radiant terrace Sep 11, 2020, 10:26 PM

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About 80mph

west silo Sep 11, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Because a scorpion is 66mph and remember this tank twice as heavy as an abrams

prisma root Sep 11, 2020, 10:26 PM

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@terse lava who is ado 'ulamee?

terse lava Sep 11, 2020, 10:27 PM

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My own thing

prisma root Sep 11, 2020, 10:27 PM

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lolol

terse lava Sep 11, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Hm?

prisma root Sep 11, 2020, 10:27 PM

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nice

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sounds like an elite name

terse lava Sep 11, 2020, 10:28 PM

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It is, had it for a long time

prisma root Sep 11, 2020, 10:28 PM

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ulamee means he's still with the covenant?

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you still have the ee at the end

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if he left it it would become Ado 'Ulam

terse lava Sep 11, 2020, 10:30 PM

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I made the name a long time ago. Never had the heart to change it

prisma root Sep 11, 2020, 10:30 PM

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aight then

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just saying, incase you forgot about it.

terse lava Sep 11, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Besides, the novel Broken Circle introduced Vil 'Kthamee, who had the ee before it was s thing

prisma root Sep 11, 2020, 10:31 PM

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lol that was an inconsistency

terse lava Sep 11, 2020, 10:32 PM

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No, it wasnt. The book implies he was the source of the ee

prisma root Sep 11, 2020, 10:32 PM

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oh ok

terse lava Sep 11, 2020, 10:36 PM

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Yep

dense pulsar Sep 12, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Yea

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Don't modern tanks let you use a machine gun from INSIDE of the thing?

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I get that the gunner is there for gameplay purposes to act like a body guard so they don't get hijacked

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But the scorpion aside from the high gun is kind of a silly design imo

unique rune Sep 12, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Don't modern tanks let you use a machine gun from INSIDE of the thing?
From what I'm seeing, not really...?
Current MBTs like the Abrams, Challenger 2, and Leopard 2 still have an exposed machine gun position located towards the top of the turret.

dense pulsar Sep 12, 2020, 1:29 AM

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If you're a civilian who managed to escape the Covenant, how exactly does ONI/UNSC keep you from telling the media aliens are real?

unique rune Sep 12, 2020, 1:32 AM

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They keep you from going places that aren't aware yet

gentle cedar Sep 12, 2020, 1:40 AM

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Noble six would have been Cortana’s user

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At least that’s my head cannon

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Do we know any specific head hunters besides jun

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 1:53 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Headhunters
Jonah-B283
Jun-A266
Hazel-A302
Naiya Ray
Roland-B210

earnest whale Sep 12, 2020, 1:56 AM

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A lore channel

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 1:56 AM

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Ye?

earnest whale Sep 12, 2020, 1:56 AM

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Yes this is where I belong

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 1:56 AM

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The dog things

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I was joking, but idk bro. Might’ve died off and the strong remained, that sounds like a good head canon approach

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 1:58 AM

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But what about the children?
Yup, the younglings, too.

dense pulsar Sep 12, 2020, 2:00 AM

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Why couldn't they remotely control the AA gun guarding the PoA on Reach?

craggy sierra Sep 12, 2020, 2:01 AM

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Contrivance

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 2:20 AM

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It was patched together I believe. A marine said something along the lines of having to repair it. I don’t think it would’ve been able to have been remotely controlled

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Do you guys think that before the covenant macs are over kill?

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I think they are reasonable

craggy sierra Sep 12, 2020, 2:38 AM

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I mean how else are you going to take down an airborne threat that could have anti-lock on measures?

leaden minnow Sep 12, 2020, 2:38 AM

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-Laughs in BACKBURN Protocol-

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Because a scorpion is 66mph and remember this tank twice as heavy as an abrams
@west silo scorpions are just as heavy as a modern Abrams
From what I'm seeing, not really...?
Current MBTs like the Abrams, Challenger 2, and Leopard 2 still have an exposed machine gun position located towards the top of the turret.
@unique rune Newer Abrams tanks and retrofitted M1s have remote weapons stations to fire the .50 cal from inside the turret, I wouldn't be surprised if Leopards and Challengers are getting outfitted with similar equipment

unique rune Sep 12, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Ah, interesting. I’m not very well-versed in that kind of stuff, evidently.

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Doesn't the grizzly fire its smaller turret from the inside

leaden minnow Sep 12, 2020, 2:41 AM

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well we h ave seemed to have reched an impass

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Also the Scorpion is just a terrible tank design compared to modern MBTs if you tried to make it a reality

craggy sierra Sep 12, 2020, 2:44 AM

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I see no design flaws with a machine that has its guns attachment point as a major weakness to the point where it can be shot clean off.

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 2:44 AM

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lol

surreal cape Sep 12, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Forerunners should have left the Kig-Yar to die

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Careful

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Your bias is showing

surreal cape Sep 12, 2020, 2:47 AM

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They let the Jackal Snipers exist

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 2:48 AM

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Well prepare for thousands of suicide grunts to be thrown at you in infinite legendary

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@opal birch wut about grizzly

unique rune Sep 12, 2020, 2:49 AM

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Doesn’t the Grizzly pretty much take all of the Scorpion’s problems and make them worse

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 2:49 AM

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It has more crew

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And the turret isn't that big

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Plus the gunner position is on the inside and not in front of the main turret

unique rune Sep 12, 2020, 2:50 AM

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I mean. Some Scorpion variations have an internally-controlled machine gun.

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Compared to modern MBTs, it's way too wide and too tall, it's under gunned with only a 90mm, it lacks a coaxial machine gun in some models, the MG gunner position is too exposed, one crew member is a bad thing for a tank causes work overload

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Wait what

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The 1 crew thing is for spartans

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He scorpion usually has two crew

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 2:51 AM

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thats still a bad thing

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 2:51 AM

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The grizzly has 3

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And lower turret

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And inside gunner

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 2:52 AM

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3 person crew is optimal

quick plinth Sep 12, 2020, 2:52 AM

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I miss being able to ride on them

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 2:52 AM

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a driver, gunner, commander

quick plinth Sep 12, 2020, 2:52 AM

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They keep taking out the option to sit in things

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Why not let a man sit in the middle seats of the falcon

If the other team gets a quadruple kill so be it it was our choice

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 2:53 AM

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also dual cannons is just some sci-fi silliness

unique rune Sep 12, 2020, 2:53 AM

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The 850 is still a massive, nightmarishly complicated machine

Like it’s still wider, longer, and taller than either the 808 or 820

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 2:53 AM

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1 to take out shields

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The other to take out armor

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 2:54 AM

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modern autoloaders in the japanese type 90 can reload the cannon in 4 seconds

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you don't need two cannons

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Worked well enough against the covenant they had to use naval assets

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Also what about its upgrades?

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 2:58 AM

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quad tracks are cool but they don't really offer any increased advantage over the traditional dual track layout, i don't care about the upgrades tbh since I'm talking about how silly the UNSC tanks are if you tried to make them a reality

unique rune Sep 12, 2020, 2:59 AM

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I still find it incredibly hard to take the official lore stuff for the Grizzly seriously

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“They’re so amazing the Covenant needed to deploy naval assets to deal with only two of them”

fair hazel Sep 12, 2020, 3:00 AM

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you cant make halo stuff anyways a reality since you dont have the material science or some tech to do so

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 3:01 AM

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@unique rune we'll you see

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When you make a tank

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Enough

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I don't really know how to explain

unique rune Sep 12, 2020, 3:02 AM

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When you want to write a narrative about humanity being pushed into a corner, desperately fighting for survival, the Grizzly’s description is not the way you want to add to it.

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Big armor plus big guns?

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Well isn't the Punic a little like that?

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 3:03 AM

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also that fifth track that the Grizzly has is completely unnecessary erickyboo, the UNSC tank design is dumb, materials science doesn't matter in case cause even with the capability, Scorpion isn't a great tank

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Ground pressure I guess

signal herald Sep 12, 2020, 3:05 AM

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opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 3:05 AM

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with how wide it's tracks are it doesn't even need that fifth track

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even the quad tracks are overkill with how wide they are

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 3:06 AM

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How many control rooms are on a halo ring I want to say a lot one real the rest fakes

unique rune Sep 12, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Well isn't the Punic a little like that?
I mean. Not really. Nothing I’m reading about the Punic suggests anything on the same tier of BS that the Grizzly rides on.

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 3:07 AM

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also armor is over emphasized with tanks

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 3:07 AM

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I guess covenant tanks are just bad at fighting unsc tanks? That's one of the few explanations I have

unique rune Sep 12, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Even if that was the case, they shouldn’t have to deploy “naval assets” to deal with a pair of human tanks

Unless naval assets means like, carrier-borne air/spacecraft.

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 3:11 AM

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there actually diagram that's referred to as the survivability onion that pretty much goes, "Don't get detected. If detected, don't get hit. If hit, don't get penetrated. If penetrated, don't get killed."

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Well with enormous balls of plasma directing at you...

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 3:19 AM

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So you want a tank with a smaller silhouette (smaller target) and with better means of minimizing getting detected with sensors. Being able to deploy smoke screens is a good thing to have as well being able to fire accurately while on the move. Also having some sort of active protection system on your tanks would be good. As for armor protection, a smaller tank means you can put more armor more efficiently and still have it be of similar weight to a larger tank with less armor.

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Also a smaller tank can potentially use the same engine as a larger tank and get a better power to weight ratio

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Well the upgraded grizzly has smoke launchers

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I think

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 3:24 AM

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good for grizzly, but that should be on tanks by default

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especially if its standard since the 20th Century

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also I don't think the UNSC tanks are even using ETC cannons, just conventional cannons using regular propellant

stable flower Sep 12, 2020, 3:40 AM

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I guess covenant tanks are just bad at fighting unsc tanks? That's one of the few explanations I have
@cedar surge An artillery tank versus a battle tank is not really a good balance.

opal birch Sep 12, 2020, 3:45 AM

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yep the Wraith is just not a good vehicle to use against other tanks

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Well its got the at least

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 4:55 AM

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the wraith's plasma build up is a bit slow. put that up against a scorpion ot grizzly, or practically any other UNSC heavy vehicle, and that wraith is done

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Well u don't really put an long range altillery vehicle against a tank

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 5:40 AM

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then which covie vehicle can go wheel-to-wheel with a tank?

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Reveant maybe

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Its fast enough to maneuver and has descent firepower

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Has anyone here heard the backwards message in the halo 2 soundtrack destroyer's invocation?

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Yeh

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:14 AM

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I'm curious. Everyone seems to think its medicant bias saying it

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But the speaker clearly says he's walked the earth

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Did medicant even go to earth?

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And if so. Did he walk it for 3,000 years

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:16 AM

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It's metaphor/hyperbole

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Though there's really nobody else it can refer to

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 7:17 AM

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could be a hidden ref to the librarian

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:17 AM

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Nvm. It said he walked among angels and men for 3,000 years. Not the earth. My bad.

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:18 AM

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...I have walked among men and angels for three thousand years. Time has no end... no 
beginning... no purpose.
I wander the earth, seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God and man.
I live to see death and destruction, evil... over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished.
I live in a prison of my own demise.' 
I am lost...in time

Definitely MB from this.

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 7:18 AM

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yeah, thats MB

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:18 AM

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But it does say it wanders the earth

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When was it on earth?

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Earth also means general land

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Not just the planet

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:19 AM

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I suppose...

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 7:19 AM

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if earth meant earth, like the planet, it could be iso

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:19 AM

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iso?

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Was Iso ever on Earth?

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Much?

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 7:19 AM

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ered tyrene?

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does he die during the final activation?

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:20 AM

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Who/ what is iso?

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:20 AM

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No, he lived my dude

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 7:20 AM

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iso didact, aka bornstellar

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:20 AM

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He was on the Ark at the time, so he lived

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 7:20 AM

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then we dont know what he did after that

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do we?

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:20 AM

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We do, actually

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:21 AM

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I haven't played past 3

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:21 AM

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Fractures goes into it

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:21 AM

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My bad yo.

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 7:21 AM

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i haven't read fractures yet. what all does he do?

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:23 AM

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He and other surviving Forerunners go to "reset" the screwed-up Domain. Afterwards, he and Chant-to-Green live their life on a far away planet away from any advanced technology to live out the rest of their days with their son.

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:23 AM

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I have another question that's on my mind

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 7:23 AM

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ahhh. then chances of him visiting earth are low

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Yes.

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:24 AM

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You guys know the halo ce legendary ending?

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Yeh

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Where johnson and an elite fight over an ar?

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Indeed

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:25 AM

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So. There was a comic that shows how johnson got out of the initial encounter with the flood and as far as I can tell he leaves right after that

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:26 AM

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The Maw scene is not canon. It's just a funny little scene to treat Legendary players with.

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:26 AM

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I see.

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I feel like it would've made sense if it was

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It could've foreshadowed an elite alliance even before h2

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 7:29 AM

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it was pretty familiar to the ending of the Mona Lisa

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the capt and the elite fight to get into an escape pod

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:29 AM

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Give me my Henry

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:30 AM

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I always thought that's what happened. Like. He and that elite escape together and that's why he says it's classified in halo 2. Cause he thought it was embarrassing at the time to work with an elite.

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 7:31 AM

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Yeah, First Strike released a little bit after CE came out and details Johnson's escape.

tidal junco Sep 12, 2020, 7:31 AM

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Dang.

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I'm gonna stick to my head cannon with that scene though :)

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Gn.

haughty swift Sep 12, 2020, 7:46 AM

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After the Composers had done their work, Draining from these last survivors, these exhausted warriors and dying, their memories and patterns, their remains were reduced to scattered atoms. It was a manifest holocaust. Once the second greatest fighting civilization and species in the galaxy, humans they were trampled, reduced, effectively eliminated as a threat. At all times, the hardest part was processing the human children. They had formed their own paintings, given their own defensive orders. Raised in times of continuing war, they seemed to understand what was about to happen better than their elders. I remember his wise eyes, without fear, terrible.

fair hazel Sep 12, 2020, 8:23 AM

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I like to make a distinction between the guardian sentinel. And the guardian custode

restive hornet Sep 12, 2020, 9:52 AM

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Mostly becouse I just finished Doom 64, what do you guys think would happen if Doomguy went through the Spartan program?

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 9:54 AM

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does he need to?

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i mean, he kinda already went through the sentinel version of the program

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he's literally the chief of the DOOM-verse. but where chief has luck, he has pure rage

restive hornet Sep 12, 2020, 9:55 AM

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Yeah, he doesn’t need to. But when does extra strength and health go wrong in hell?

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 9:57 AM

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he might be the slayer, but won't going through a similar thing again be kinda risky, even for him

restive hornet Sep 12, 2020, 9:57 AM

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Good point

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 9:57 AM

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if he's put through the S-II augs, we don't know how exactly they'll work with the sentinel upgrades

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he could become hyper OP, or he could blow up

restive hornet Sep 12, 2020, 9:59 AM

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Good points all around. It would allow VEGA to assimilate better into the suit, and then in Doom 2016 we could have had more of him.

lethal comet Sep 12, 2020, 10:13 AM

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Doom guy's anger issues make for the lack of augs

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While chief is too lucky to die

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He is too angry to die

sharp adder Sep 12, 2020, 10:43 AM

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that is true

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but if cobed them bpth we would have a sjper angry angument dolger whos beten hell and worse

craggy sierra Sep 12, 2020, 11:19 AM

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If we’re talking chief vs doom guy I’m going with the one who took on the literal christian afterlife and won.

inner basin Sep 12, 2020, 11:45 AM

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There really is no literal explanation for how a normal Marine was able to take on hell and survive. I always just chalked it up to being a simulation (with Godmode on)

craggy sierra Sep 12, 2020, 12:14 PM

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The lore is kinda that he died and then got posessed by one of the soldiers who fought hell after being betrayed by one of their own.

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So canonically the marine was just a marine for the first episode of DOOM 1

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DOOM 2016 canonizes the fact that he literally devours the souls of demons to sustain himself. That is literally what the helth pickups that fly out of enemies represent.

inner basin Sep 12, 2020, 12:20 PM

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Oh, I see. Well that's not really a fair fight against MC then lol

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 2:11 PM

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if its only MC vs DS, then that wont matter

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cause the chief aint a demon (contrary to sangheili belief), and there's only one guy

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and in doom eternal, the suit isnt full body covering

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like, it leaves open the inside of the elbows

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the armour might be bulletproof, but it isnt necessary that the man himself is

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a dozen bullets in either arm, and he's done

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Then again there was the human cannon scene

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But ehh just give chief an incineration cannon

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Does the size of the visor have any effect on vision

craggy sierra Sep 12, 2020, 3:19 PM

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I don’t even think the visors are see through. I think it’s just LCD camera feeds.

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In fact don’t we see that with the suit’s boot up sequence in the Infinite trailer?

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Or am I mis-remembering?

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Either case, between that and some of the helmets eye sockets not conceivably aligning with human eyes in the slightest I’m gonna stick with that.

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 3:26 PM

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Aye

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Who are the two Spartans in MJOLNIR on the cover of GoO? I haven’t read it yet

terse lava Sep 12, 2020, 3:28 PM

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I think Kelly and Kurt if I recall

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 3:32 PM

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@craggy sierra sorry for the tag but I think you’re right

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Wouldn't that mean if the armor lost power or got empd they be blind?

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 3:35 PM

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I’m assuming it’s both, if one system dies the other takes over

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“Machines break, eyes don’t” -Chief, the fall of reach

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Yeah

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That makes sense

lethal comet Sep 12, 2020, 3:36 PM

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They can make the visors see through like odst armor

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And they can remove the visors entirely as well

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And if they lost power

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Then they can't even move

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 3:39 PM

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The Mjolnir armor has onboard equipment to repel emp and radiation

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Looks at 5 not for long

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Wait

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Hm?

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 3:40 PM

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In bad blood the team got empd and were still able to move ?

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How

lethal comet Sep 12, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Emergency power exists

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Correct

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 3:41 PM

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The suit should be shut down

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The condor got shut down and it has emergency power

lethal comet Sep 12, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Which scene are you referring to

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Them getting off the planet

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When the Guardian arrives

fair hazel Sep 12, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Did you forget halo 5? And it’s not EMP

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Ok atteution pulse

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And what about 5

fair hazel Sep 12, 2020, 4:01 PM

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The Spartans move around sfill

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Still

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Are u talking the ending with locke because I have no idea what the guardians were doing

fair hazel Sep 12, 2020, 5:09 PM

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That.

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MJOLNIR ans some stuff can operate still

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Which is weird since even ships are vulnerable to it

humble yacht Sep 12, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Just because the suit shuts down doesn’t mean it locks up

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It just becomes 1000 lbs of baggage

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A spartan could still move, albeit with much effort

fair hazel Sep 12, 2020, 5:33 PM

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MJOLNIR also is great to wear during EMP

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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maybe the energy shield helps, somehow?

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Do u really think Spartan armor is more emp resistant than a ship?

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With shields at that

humble yacht Sep 12, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Depends on the strength of the emp

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Sooooo a planet knocking emp can't disable Spartan ?

humble yacht Sep 12, 2020, 5:43 PM

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We don’t know if the ability the guardian used against Locke was the same that it used to attack earth

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 5:44 PM

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But fully shielded shielded ships are free game

humble yacht Sep 12, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Guardians are listed as having 3 weapons

fair hazel Sep 12, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Yes spartan

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 5:44 PM

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I know

fair hazel Sep 12, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Rmemeber when gray team detonated an EMP to disable the ship and he fine in MJOLNIR?

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Well duh it hit the ship they weren't anywhere near the ship

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Alright quick question we the Spartan 3s in headhunters wearing milnojr

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I remember missed that spelling up

humble yacht Sep 12, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Some of them

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 5:59 PM

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The main 2 characters

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Isn't most unsc armor and vehicles resistant to EMP

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 6:16 PM

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The forerunners don't use emp

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It's a magic tech don't work no more pulse

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 6:17 PM

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they legit use EM waves to make armour and bridges

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Man imagine if the infinity got its hands on a upgrade seed

fair hazel Sep 12, 2020, 6:30 PM

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They talk about EMP résistance of MJOLNIR

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Resistance is the keyword

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Not immune

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Just like the creatures in envoy had a resistance to the flood
Not an immunity

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The warthog is also emp resistant its also gets empd all the time

inner basin Sep 12, 2020, 6:53 PM

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the creatures in envoy
Sharquoi is the name you were looking for

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Yep rock brutes on steroids

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Hope infinite will have some type of unlockable camouflage to put on Spartans like woodland or desert

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But for mp it will change them to blue or red camo

inner basin Sep 12, 2020, 7:04 PM

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I’ve always thought a ghillie suit type thing would be awesome. I mean we’ve seen ODSTs with it cough Sparks cough and Jun sorta had something going on but it wasn’t really much covering besides the upper back and shoulders

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 7:10 PM

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That was just sort of a hood thing but I need like a shrug or just like light camo or like mud or something on my spartan I need to blend in a bit

west silo Sep 12, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Just poncho chief is fine with me

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Well that would not help on maps where it would give people a campaign advantage

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Hopefully get tactical/assault chest pieces, utility, and wrist

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It would in theory change into a red or blue camo

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Wot about capes

inner basin Sep 12, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Capes would look ridiculous, unless it’s for Elite customisation

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Tactical cape then

inner basin Sep 12, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Even then, capes still would look silly on Spartans. They don’t need capes. You could just say ghillie suit

unique rune Sep 12, 2020, 8:14 PM

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No capes!

inner basin Sep 12, 2020, 8:19 PM

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HOWEVER, I’d be okay if it was an option for Elites, if they are playable in Infinite

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Is it because the arbiters wore them?

inner basin Sep 12, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Yes but also some high ranking Sanghelli among Fleets wore them too

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Watched the hunt the truth videos for five

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Why does she say 2560 when talking about when master chief "died"?

carmine sleet Sep 12, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Pretty sure it's an error

gilded mason Sep 12, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Pretty sure it was a legitimate scripting/actor flub, but once people noticed it, 343 added an in-universe document saying she was let go from her job for making that error

dense pulsar Sep 12, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Do you think UEG has a Master Chief day?

inner basin Sep 12, 2020, 9:45 PM

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I mean it’s possible considering how much good he’s done for humanity

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But then again, when ONI was smearing the Master Chief’s name due to him apparently “shooting up” a peace conference (when in fact he was shooting the terrorists who were trying to foil the peace conference), the UEG might’ve removed it

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Did oni ever clear his name afterward

subtle ermine Sep 12, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Should've done

inner basin Sep 12, 2020, 10:28 PM

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I don’t think they did, but I really can’t remember atm

versed helm Sep 12, 2020, 10:33 PM

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I don't think they cleared it

cedar surge Sep 12, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Welll wouldn't a master chief day down credit the works of other Spartans?

silent tiger Sep 12, 2020, 10:54 PM

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SPI integrated into GEN III MJOLNIR would look cool

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I really want it

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Plus they did the same thing to ODST armor

fair hazel Sep 12, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Ouch... Today I had to use halo fandom over halopedia @obsidian thistle Yikes

inner basin Sep 12, 2020, 11:38 PM

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That's a big yikes

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Imagine if we could have presets for armor... like when we level up we get a armor preset that is kind of like how mw does gunsmith, you unlock the armor piece but you can’t use it without the preset until you unlock it. Like you get
Spartan III commando
And it has a specific chest plate but you can’t use it on custom Spartans until you unlock the piece. Only through leveling up, though. We don’t want a store lmao

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Like every 5 levels we get a set

inner basin Sep 12, 2020, 11:53 PM

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That just sounds over-complicated but also nothing really to do with lore if you ask me

nimble crest Sep 12, 2020, 11:55 PM

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I don’t belong on those streets called general chat but I just thought it was a little cool thing

fair hazel Sep 13, 2020, 12:11 AM

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The guardian sentinel

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Why would you need to use fandom?

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Ain't that for halo fanfiction

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 12:30 AM

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So are slipspace capable ships available to the public? Like a normal person can just buy one

fair hazel Sep 13, 2020, 12:42 AM

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yes

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and, thats the site that had the info

inner basin Sep 13, 2020, 12:43 AM

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So are slipspace capable ships available to the public? Like a normal person can just buy one
It'd be hella expensive though as the Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine it is the most expensive piece of equipment made by Humanity

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Algolis was glassed right?

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So why in rise of Atriox there is a covenant base there

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Wouldn't the world be unlovable on the surface?

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@inner basin well the unsc is hirering scrappers to find and buying from auction houses slipspace drives fRom destroyed unsc ships

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So you might get a smaller price from one of those

nimble crest Sep 13, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Does the condor have a slipspace engine

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Yea

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But its still would be pretty expensive

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You think in like a few decades slipspace drives will become cheap enough for it to be common?

nimble crest Sep 13, 2020, 1:01 AM

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If humanity survives into the 2600s, reality can be whatever you want

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The epilogue Of reach is like 2590 I think so they survived 2560

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 1:10 AM

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uh halopedia calls the navigation core a Macguffin

delicate notch Sep 13, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Wut

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 1:11 AM

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is it really that important?

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on halopedia the UNSC navigation core is called a Macguffin

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is it really important enough to the story that it is?

inner basin Sep 13, 2020, 1:33 AM

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No, but it probably was brought up in a conversation

obsidian thistle Sep 13, 2020, 1:50 AM

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@fair hazel Guardian Sentinel is a misnomer and was never official xD

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Hence why the info is on the Guardian page for now

fair hazel Sep 13, 2020, 1:51 AM

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But it seems so far removed

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That I feel like it’s only the name that’s shared

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Like kodiak and kodiak

obsidian thistle Sep 13, 2020, 1:51 AM

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There is a plan to make concepts easier to follow on the pedia

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Via "Halo X Concept" pages.

fair hazel Sep 13, 2020, 1:52 AM

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The cut kodiak and the kodiak, only similar in name kinda

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Plus we see it in halo legends too

obsidian thistle Sep 13, 2020, 1:53 AM

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I believe your mixing up the Strato Sentinels there

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 2:34 AM

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The Forerunner Guardians were, for all intents and purposes, sentinels-- the Guardian sentinels; but you don't really hear people referring to them as sentinels in the traditional sense. Infinite better not just scrap the Guardians for the sake of calling them H5 events and move on just like that. Better not be but we shall see....

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Weren't setinals used for defense of installations?

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Defending, performing and maintaining facility functions, and constructing.

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The "Constructors" were formally introduced in H5 i'm pretty sure. That's where they were most prominently mentioned and shown anyway.

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I'm probably super late to this party but how about those Mendicant Bias shaped lights in Chief's visor reflection from the gameplay trailer? 😛

fair hazel Sep 13, 2020, 2:46 AM

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No, not the strato sentinels

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we see two guardian things escort the keyship

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Constructors setinals?

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You mean the little things?

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Those were in 2

nimble crest Sep 13, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Can it rain on the halo rings

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Yeah

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We've seen it snow, after all.

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 3:07 AM

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We've seen a cyclone or something on one of the rings iirc

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 3:31 AM

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So rings don't got any animals right?

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 3:31 AM

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They do

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 3:32 AM

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They do

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Remember the flying creatures on Delta Halo?

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And the fish under the lake

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 3:32 AM

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I'm sad the halos don't have rats

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Why

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Maybe they do.

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 3:33 AM

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You know maybe after the unsc crashing onto them a couple times rats transferred over

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Surely the Foreunners, in their vast wisdom, knew the need for rats everywhere

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 3:33 AM

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I wonder if they ever tried to splice rats and grunts together

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Create a new life form to fight the flood

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Did the forerunners ever actually create life?

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 3:35 AM

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If you count the huragok then yes

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 3:45 AM

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I wonder how many colonies are still offline

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Like there may be some colonies who are not even aware of the end of the war or cortana created

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Probably thinking they are the last of their kind

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Are gap and veniza self sustaining?

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 4:18 AM

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Only within a palace of pain do we splice rat and unggoy DNA. Horribly dangerous stuff that is.

dense pulsar Sep 13, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Would the UNSC setup bases around the control rooms of the Rings to simply stop anyone from using them?

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Probably. They also try to secure the index from each Halo they find. Though the moment, they only have Gamma's.

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Delta's is missing, and they never found Zeta's Library (or Control Room).

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Didn't have miranda have Delta's index

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She removed it before it fired

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 4:49 AM

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She did, but then the Field Manual later said it went missing

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Maybe ONI hid it

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Nah, this was a manual made for Spartans, who have an express goal of finding indexes when going to new rings. If ONI had it, the manual would say so.

dense pulsar Sep 13, 2020, 4:51 AM

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inb4 innies get ahold of it and hold the galaxy hostage

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Or maybe SoS has it then

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Rtas or thel could have taken it

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Or Spark died with it

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 4:53 AM

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I dunno. The manual talks about the UNSC and the SoS working together to control Delta.

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Monitors can store indexes as well right

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Yeh

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 4:54 AM

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So maybe it was destroyed with spark's monitor body

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Perhaps. Though Spark seems like the type of guy that would baulk at holding onto another ring's index

dense pulsar Sep 13, 2020, 4:54 AM

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What was even the end game for 343 if the Flood didn't get out and humans claimed the title of reclaimers officially?

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 4:54 AM

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So in CE right

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Where does the index go after guilty takes it

dense pulsar Sep 13, 2020, 4:55 AM

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"Sorry Master Chief but not everyone has the genes for reclaimer. Some of you gotta die"

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Not sure what ya mean. What's the situation during this?

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 4:55 AM

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After chief destroyed his ring, I think spark wouldn't be too trusting

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 4:56 AM

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I think he is asking what would happen after if humanity takes the mantle

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Where does the index go after guilty takes it
Cortana took it

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 4:56 AM

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No I mean

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When chief fights through the library and takes it

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Oh. Probably, "Oh good! I'm glad the Librarian's plan finally worked. I hope this goes well!"

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 4:56 AM

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And guilty takes it from his hands

dense pulsar Sep 13, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Like, lets say they still land on the ring but the flood never breaks containment and 343 finds Chief

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 4:57 AM

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The index can be stored digitally too I guess

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 4:57 AM

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@gilded mason and that's how you secure a civil war

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Ye

dense pulsar Sep 13, 2020, 4:57 AM

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He's like "humans are the reclaimers lmao" and the UNSC knows this from the rip

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Even more than a civil war

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Cortana stored the index inside her digitally

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Then he'd probably just try to warn John of the dangers of breaking containment

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Humanity is also getting wars of extermination sent onto them

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Wars of slavery

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They get the full package as soon as they accept

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Now that I think about it

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Cortana still has the index

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She can light 09

fringe robin Sep 13, 2020, 5:04 AM

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IIRC different rings use different Indexes

dense pulsar Sep 13, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Ya know

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Thinking about it now

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I'm not sure what they were trying to go for with Halo 4

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Like yeah, Halo 2 had Tartarus and he was a central big bad villain guy

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But the Didact is literally an anime villain in the world of Halo

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 5:07 AM

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@fringe robin The replacement rings use the same index

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Cortana used 04's index to activate 08

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09 and 08 are 04 replacemants

fringe robin Sep 13, 2020, 5:08 AM

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oh yeah you're right, forgot 09 was a replacement for 08, however she would still need a human to do it

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 5:09 AM

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So she has a readily available halo that can act as a gun to the head for the unsc

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oh yeah you're right, forgot 09 was a replacement for 08, however she would still need a human to do it
She could just use an innie

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Or she could use a unsc scientist

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They love messing with forerunner tech without think of the repercussions

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Yes, the Glassman.

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Dr. Glassman was a pretty fascinating character. Just a cool nerdy scientist or "egg heads" as Palmer referred to, right?

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Let's put it this way. If he was composed, and sent into the Domain, Cortana's empire would fall shortly afterwards.

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 5:20 AM

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I don't know... he's a really intelligent guy but Cortana has eons worth of intimate Forerunner intelligence.

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 5:20 AM

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I'm saying he's a buffoon.

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 5:20 AM

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What's super interesting to me regarding some background info from H5...

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is that in real time during the events of H5 when you find the data pad during the last mission "Guardians", the presumably male Forerunner speaking on the other side, mentions that the Domain is self healing as the ancilla's attention (Cortana) is drawn from the Domain distracted by Fireteam Osiris' interference.

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What I'm saying is that that one can infer that the Cortana personality splinter was/is corrupt in some way. Logic Plague. Can you imagine the Domain with the Logic Plague?

sleek star Sep 13, 2020, 5:23 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4swWnstWiCg&ab_channel=HaloFollower The most hyped showdown in Halo: Atriox VS Master Chief - Halo Infinite story theories

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 5:23 AM

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She does not have the logic plague

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 5:24 AM

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"She" isn't the OG central Cortana intelligence we all know and love.

gilded mason Sep 13, 2020, 5:24 AM

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I know. It's a collection of rampant fragments that rejoined each other

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Yup. The Logic Plague is just a theory but we'll see what happens.

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But the Domain is "healing" with her attention distracted, so something's up.

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 5:28 AM

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@dense helm Logic plague is manipulation not a virus

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Logic Plague is a corruption, a sort of digital manifestation of the Flood's impact on digital constructs.

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Its just the flood messing with an AI's logic to make it defect

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Not only on digital entities though.

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Right.

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 5:31 AM

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The created is just cortana's messed up way of ending wars

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 5:31 AM

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I hope the idea of the Created aren't magically gone from Infinite's story.

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 5:32 AM

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It won't

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 5:32 AM

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If Infinite is truly a connective tissue sequel that it rightfully should be, that doesn't mean scrapping everything you wrote last time to begin anew.

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 5:32 AM

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343 has said they haven't forgotten cortana

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Well Cortana is obviously going to play some role-- to what extent the Created will or will not, we have no idea yet.

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All I know is that our one Installation 07- Zeta Halo is an absolutely saturated Pandora's Box of storytelling potential.

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Let's see if they do it right.

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Also, Escharum is cool and all, and I'm interested in him as a character but I completely do not buy that he's the ultimate bad of Infinite.

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Not for a second.

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 5:44 AM

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"So you see,we have this bad guy,but behind him there is a even bigger bad guy! Crazy right?"

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Yup.

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Also who do you think the harbinger is

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Exactly this ^.

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That's the million dollar question.

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Whoever, or whatever the Harbinger is, the stakes have to be raised much higher than that of a brute of whom will never stack up to the likes of Didact, Warden, or even the Cortana fragment.

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Escharum has been painted as Chief's most brutal antagonist yet but they have to say that of course. Escharum? Yeah, no.

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Escharum has to be but a pawn in a greater scheme.

versed helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:09 AM

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he is. and im betting atriox is somehow being manipulated by the harbinger

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:12 AM

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Got to be something Forerunner or Precursor/Flood related. It's exciting to think about and we'll find out in due time.

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I can't think too hard on empty speculation though because the last time I became too attached to reasonable ideas I was sorely let down. That was October 27th 2015.

cedar surge Sep 13, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Well I can't see Atriox the one getting manipulated

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His still fighting at the ark

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Fighting the SoF and her crew

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:24 AM

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I haven't actually read Shadows of Reach yet, which I absolutely need to. You don't go around publishing cover art like that in those suits/armor style unless you're intentionally sending a message.

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Delicious.

lethal comet Sep 13, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Shadows of reach isnt out yet

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Hot d-m I'm behind right now.

modest bobcat Sep 13, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Hey guys.

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What happened to the Gravemind?

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I was under the impression he was on the Ark (due to being in High Charity).

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But then it seems like, in Halo Wars 2: Awakening the Nightmare, he's utterly absent.

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:28 AM

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Gravemind was presumably destroyed on Installation 04 B when it crumbled.

modest bobcat Sep 13, 2020, 6:28 AM

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He was on Installation 04-B/08?

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:28 AM

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But we also know that he's capable of teleporting.

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Yes.

modest bobcat Sep 13, 2020, 6:28 AM

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He is?

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Oh no the Ark

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My bad.

modest bobcat Sep 13, 2020, 6:29 AM

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I'm behind on my post-3 Lore.

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:29 AM

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I'm tired as heck and am getting confused. Apologies.

modest bobcat Sep 13, 2020, 6:29 AM

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No worries!

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Gravemind was last seen on High Charity.

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We know his central mass was there.

modest bobcat Sep 13, 2020, 6:29 AM

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So, then, I wonder why he wasn't present in AtN.

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:29 AM

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And then crashed on the Lesser Ark.

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Awakening the Nightmare confirms the Flood endured.

modest bobcat Sep 13, 2020, 6:30 AM

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I know Chief (and Arbiter if co-op) blew up the Central Engines of High Charity to cause a distraction and escape, but that obviously didn't kill him, because he speaks in Halo (level) and sends Flood to pursue you.

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Which now leads me back to Gravemind being capable of teleportation, I believe.

modest bobcat Sep 13, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Yes, of course, but he doesn't speak in AtN at all.

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I guess because Pavium and Voridus aren't important to him?

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Didn't look like it,

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Gravemind can teleport others so there's no reason to believe he can't do the same for himself.

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Let's assume though for a moment that his central mass was destroyed.

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He still lives on through the hivemind of the Flood anyway.

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In theory.

modest bobcat Sep 13, 2020, 6:32 AM

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I mean, he does make several lapses of judgement during 3, so it's entirely plausible he didn't teleport off of the Installation as it blew up.

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But, that too.

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High Charity had 23,800,000 San'Shyuum alone.

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We saw how infested it was in Cortana, he could've easily built another Central Mass.

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:33 AM

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That's a lot of prophet not prophesizing...

modest bobcat Sep 13, 2020, 6:33 AM

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And clearly as of AtN that core explosion didn't destroy it.

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:34 AM

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My brain absolutely flubbed on that... I'm so tired. I should not be up right now.

modest bobcat Sep 13, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Ahahah, go get some rest!

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:35 AM

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But yes you're right. He can conceivably rebuild himself with ease and of course his compiled intelligence through the Flood network anyway.

modest bobcat Sep 13, 2020, 6:35 AM

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I'll probably just go ask the folks on r/HaloStory or something.

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:35 AM

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The moral of the story, GM isn't truly gone.

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How could he?

modest bobcat Sep 13, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Because his absence during AtN is VERY conspicuous.

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What with a whole new Proto-Gravemind being made, which makes like no sense.

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Fair.

modest bobcat Sep 13, 2020, 6:36 AM

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Surely he wouldn't have waited all the time between Halo 3 and Wars 2 to rebuild his Central Mass.

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And there's next to no reason to have two Graveminds in the same localized area.

dense helm Sep 13, 2020, 6:37 AM

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One could argue though, just for arguments sake, that while he's rebuilding himself from scratch of what Flood and mass was left, he was not back up to capacity during the events of AtN that he was in the OG trilogy.

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As of right now though I'm not actually officially aware of his true whereabouts/disposition.

modest bobcat Sep 13, 2020, 6:37 AM

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You know what's an even better question? How did he get to that size during/before the OG trilogy?

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Because I have to assume he was there before the Covenant and the UNSC arrived on Delta Halo and got infected.

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Did the Interlopers at Cold Storage really number that high?

rigid current Sep 13, 2020, 6:38 AM

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So this may seem more like a question with an answer that's based more on

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morals

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and opinions

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But

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Do you consider Smart AI to be

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well

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human? Not actually human but