lore-and-universe

[cedar surge]

six was a gun attached to a roomba

[unique rune]

He really didn't though

The Rookie has absolutely no dialogue and just doesn't really express anything over the course of the campaign

And it's not like he does much worth talking about in Dirt either, considering that's more about Yevgenny

[urban crag]

But the jazz

[unique rune]

I don't see what that has anything to do with the Rookie as a character

[urban crag]

They should make a game about 21SAB "The Black Daggers"

Cool ODSTs

[unique rune]

I really don't see how killing off the Rookie in a game would've been really any different from in a book

At the very least New Blood used it to do something with Buck and the rest of A9.

[urban crag]

Mickey became a traitor

[unique rune]

Yeah, and?

Elements of that were written into his character from the beginning.

His parents were Insurrectionists

[urban crag]

Apple doesnt fall far from the tree ig

[unique rune]

It's really not too much of a reach to suggest him knowing that would've pushed him in that direction

[urban crag]

Right

[lethal comet]

Rookie would have been cool as a spartan but then his death was better used for A9's character development

[urban crag]

It's just sad to me tbh

[cedar surge]

not every ccharacter need to become a spartan

[lethal comet]

I didn't say he needs to be a spartan

I just did something called imagine

[unique rune]

I mean Jun did say he would've been invited to the S-IV program if he had survived

[urban crag]

Who says June is Dead

[humble yacht]

no one

[urban crag]

He's Considerd M.I.A

[humble yacht]

Jun is considered alive

he works as a SIV recruitment officer

[lethal comet]

Jun is head of spartan operations

Wait chief of spartan operations

I wouldn't call that MIA

[humble yacht]

def not MIA

[urban crag]

Was

[lethal comet]

He was never MIA

After escorting Halsey he made it back to earth

[carmine sleet]

We just don't know how he made his way to Earth, or exactly when he and Halsey went their separate ways

[urban crag]

He had to take a Space Elevator to get off reach i thought

[carmine sleet]

That's not canon, just an idea suggested by someone at 343i

[urban crag]

Gotcha

[lethal comet]

He used neural physics

[urban crag]

🤓

[nimble crest]

At what point was Halsey arrested and why

[cedar surge]

she defected to jul

[humble yacht]

she was arrested after being rescued from Onyx and returned to Earth

officially it was because of her involvement in the creation of the SIIs

[nimble crest]

Why chimera? I haven’t read onyx yet, forgive me

Oh

[humble yacht]

unofficially it was because ONI was mad at her for absconding with a bunch of spartans in the midst of the war

[cedar surge]

which i don't get how people could fall for it

halsey had to get funding from somewhere

[humble yacht]

because Section II is good at their job

[nimble crest]

Is Lucy alive and active as of 2560?

[humble yacht]

check halopedia

[cedar surge]

halsey jumped ship to onyx with spartans?

[humble yacht]

yes

[cedar surge]

why

[humble yacht]

because she wanted to save them

[cedar surge]

wasn't the whole point was to use them to save humanity?

[humble yacht]

she felt bad for her hand in their creation and wanted to save as many as she could from what she considered a losing fight

[cedar surge]

oh so thats why oni would be mad

[humble yacht]

she also made for a nice scapegoat

blame the mad scientist for child soldiers

[cedar surge]

halsey doesn't seem like a mad scientist

[gilded mason]

ONI is painting her as that

[cedar surge]

palmer made it personal for some reason

was she a wash out or something?

[humble yacht]

Palmer has a inherent distrust of scientists

[gilded mason]

She is weird like that.

[humble yacht]

she feels that scientists kind of all act holier-than-thou

[cedar surge]

irony of that

[humble yacht]

she also is a proponent of action over thinking

she doesn't feel that science is as useful as actual trained soldiers

[cedar surge]

uh

[gilded mason]

lol

[cedar surge]

how does she think she was made a spartan?

[humble yacht]

look, no one is saying she's right

[gilded mason]

Neural physics

[humble yacht]

but real world people have misconceptions all the time

in that respect, Palmer is more relatable than most halo characters

[gilded mason]

Though of course, those kinds of people in the real world are people I think are incredibly annoying.

[humble yacht]

i mean, everyone has misconceptions about something

[cedar surge]

what oni really should be chasing halsey for is to see if she has a forerunner artifact in her brain

[humble yacht]

let he who is without sin cast the first stone, as they say

[cedar surge]

because she is exceptional in all fields of science

[gilded mason]

Nice, I'm gonna throw a bunch of stones, then

[humble yacht]

and that is probably the worst misconception of them all

[cedar surge]

but was she hurt by a scientist?

[gilded mason]

Nope

[cedar surge]

also i got to tankana backstory

[humble yacht]

not every misconception or personal feeling is born from something someone did to you

[cedar surge]

so i see

oni is not really bad

its just our bias

[gilded mason]

Wut

[humble yacht]

ONI is a necessary evil

[gilded mason]

Was

[cedar surge]

still is

[humble yacht]

they've done terrible things but at the same time, without them humanity probably would have been caput long ago

[cedar surge]

well the jackles might have enslaved us

in secret

[gilded mason]

The power they wielded after the war was too much and they screw things up with that power.

[cedar surge]

so we might survive hat way

[gilded mason]

During the war, yeah, they were necessary, but not afterwards

[humble yacht]

is living as a slave really living?

[cedar surge]

well now with the created...

[humble yacht]

freedom is a major aspect of modern humanity

the idea of living free or not at all is something that has existed in human civilization for hundreds of years

[cedar surge]

well if humanity waited long enough they could start a rebllion

[humble yacht]

intelligence agencies are pretty necessary when your in constant scenarios of potential threats

[cedar surge]

like during a time when the grunts are also rebelling

[humble yacht]

even post war, just because humans weren't actively on the back foot anymore doesn't mean ONI wasn't still necessary

and by that I mean it's primary function of intelligence gathering

[cedar surge]

dont need to kidnap kids anymore

[gilded mason]

When they were doing things that even other top UNSC officials had absolutely no knowledge of, that's too much.

[humble yacht]

it's like the CIA

often villainized but when they do their jobs they prevent alot of bad things

[gilded mason]

And as we know, the CIA isn't a completely awful organization that just makes things worse for everyone?

[cedar surge]

hey your elite bias is showing

[humble yacht]

the CIA has been behind some very questionable things

[gilded mason]

Questionable?

Like, they did a lot of pretty evil things.

[cedar surge]

ONI is still needed post war

to keep the population under control

to get info

to do projects

sabotage the elites

and make things for the unsc

[gilded mason]

I'm not saying to disband the UNSC intel service you know.

I'm saying that, post-war, they have too much power

[humble yacht]

not anymore

[gilded mason]

Yes, luckily

[humble yacht]

but one could argue that the UNSC in general had too much power

[cedar surge]

well they did trick the navy into obliterating a jackal pirate outpost

[gilded mason]

Maybe they won't be so monstrous after this Created thing is over

[humble yacht]

point is, ONI is a morally grey organization. not evil, not good

[gilded mason]

They just happen to do a lot of evil things.

[cedar surge]

ey whats your favorite section of oni

[humble yacht]

0

[cedar surge]

oh what does that do

[humble yacht]

Internal Affairs investigations

[cedar surge]

assassination?

[humble yacht]

no

[cedar surge]

how many innies inside of the unsc?

[gilded mason]

All of them

It's all Innies all the way down

[unique rune]

“It’s all Innies?”

“Always has been”

[gilded mason]

😮 🔫 😎

[cedar surge]

man emile is going to be mad when he finds out he is a innie

[humble yacht]

not sure Emile cares all that much. I think to him, all non-spartan humans are the same

Emile thinks there are 3 types of beings: Spartans, non-Spartans, and dirty aliens

[cedar surge]

you think he would be happy with the conclusion?

[humble yacht]

he's only happy when he's killing Covies

[cedar surge]

would have he adjusted backinto society well?

[gilded mason]

Sounds like somebody should get into video games.

Or constant Warzone

[humble yacht]

No, Emile would not be a good candidate for reintegration into society

he would probably be a loner and make people in the office uncomfortable

[cedar surge]

maybe with help from noble team

or maybe therapy from halsey

actually how did jun adjust so well

[humble yacht]

Who says he adjusted to normal society?

look at what he does and who he interacts with

career military men and spartans

the only difference is that he doesn't do field work anymore

[cedar surge]

working at a desk

[humble yacht]

working on Spartan Ops and military matters at a desk

its not like he became an accountant and goes out for drinks with Kevin and Karen from work

[cedar surge]

did they take his augmentations?

[humble yacht]

don't think so

[fair hazel]

No he’s even got his own MJOLNIR set

[inner basin]

did they take his augmentations?
How would they do this exactly? Remember, he was chemically augmented

[versed helm]

How strong are the Jiralhanae Chieftain

[nimble crest]

Pretty strong

[humble yacht]

very strong

How would they do this exactly? Remember, he was chemically augmented
Well Spartan II augmentations were supposed to be permanent too, but ONI found a way to reverse several of them

it's possible if they really wanted to, they could think of ways to reverse or diminish the effects from the chemical augmentations of the S-IIIs

[inner basin]

Yeah but the IIs augmentations were more physical augments so being undone seems more plausible to me whereas chemical augmentations seem less likely to be reversed, but if writers really wanted to add that detail in for one of their books, it wouldn’t go against established canon

[humble yacht]

theoretically, any chemical reaction is reversible with enough energy

[inner basin]

Yeah perhaps that’s the theory (idk I’m better at physics) but we also want the person to survive

[spiral jewel]

Since the Saw (M739 LMG) saw use during the insurrection and the Human covenant war, I feel like it would have come in handy on Alpha Halo... Even though the Pillar of Autumn more than likely had none aboard

[humble yacht]

i'm sure alot of weapons would have been handy in CE

[spiral jewel]

Especially in the later half of the game...

@humble yacht too bad that there isn't a way to add weapons like the Saw, DMR and BR into CEA since they existed during the game, but weren't used

[carmine sleet]

Cough Modding Cough

[spiral jewel]

@carmine sleet I mean officially

[carmine sleet]

Didn't need to tag me

[humble yacht]

Gameplay isn’t canon anyway so there’s no need to officially add additional weapons to the old games, canonically they may well have been there

[stiff creek]

Canon is canonically canon.

[cedar surge]

Well they are adding odst weapons to 3 so anything is possible

[carmine sleet]

That's happening because ODST and 3 share the same version of Blam!, it's easier to add those weapons in because of that

[gentle cedar]

Did you know that buck was actually in reach

Cause I didn’t

[inner basin]

Yeah

In ODST he references Reach when NM starts getting glassed. Then in Reach (likely as a tie in to their previous game ODST) they had a mission where you escort Buck during the beginning of the glassing of New Alexandria

[versed helm]

Emile used controversial tactics when fighting against Insurrectionists to the point where the UNSC considered retiring him from Noble Team. I really think that suggests he doesn't think highly of rebels, lol.

not sure Emile cares all that much. I think to him, all non-spartan humans are the same

I guess he was excessively accustomed to fighting wit extreme prejudice.

[inner basin]

Well if anti-Insurrectionist operations were to arise, Col Holland was considering having Emile swapped out for Rosenda

[cedar surge]

well didn't he "ripped apart" innies?

looks like rosenda dodged a bullet

[inner basin]

With her on the roster maybe things may have been different. Maybe...

[versed helm]

Let's not stray from the topic at hand, this information indicates that he had various opinions about different factions of regular humans.

[inner basin]

Let's not stray from the topic at hand
You do know that we don’t have to talk about what you want to talk about, right?

[urban crag]

ODSTs are underrated

[inner basin]

I don’t think so. I’m not saying they’re overrated either mind you

[nimble crest]

Oni doesn’t approve of defacement of UNSC property but made an exception because Émile used it effectively

[inner basin]

I mean it did play an intimidation factor

[versed helm]

Technically the ODSTs overrate themselves.

[inner basin]

Not all of them. Some can be humble

[urban crag]

ODSTs see more Combat deployments than Spartans

[nimble crest]

The odsts aren’t underrated, just not utilized in the games a lot

[urban crag]

Black Daggers is Where its at for the ODSTs

[inner basin]

But they did suffer a grave number of losses

[nimble crest]

Can someone go over to #471727528847867904 and see how those designs look regarding the pelican and phantom

[urban crag]

Yes they did

[versed helm]

Not all of them. Some can be humble
I am referring to their mindsets, it is similar to an elitist's. They overestimate themselves to set a standard and level of professionalism to exceed the expectations of their superiors (and their conscience sometimes).

Did I articulate this correctly? I think that might sound confusing.

[inner basin]

Again, that is some, not all

[nimble crest]

Anyone?

[versed helm]

You could just compare them to images of the vehicles online.

[nimble crest]

I just like seeing other people’s opinions

[nimble crest]

What kind of defenses would covenant have for a beach

An island

[versed helm]

You should expect to see anti-air turrets, deployable plasma shields, tactically positioned barricades and shade turrets.

[humble yacht]

Play the level Silent Cartographer

It has your answer

[nimble crest]

Man I wish we had more items for forge

Jackal tower, pelican with landing gear deployed, etc

[cedar surge]

So what branch took more losses. The marines or army?

So what species actually truly believed in the great journey?

I doubt the drones,hunters,and jackals actually did

[nimble crest]

Hunters don’t seem to have a large enough intelligence for a formal religion

Drones don’t seem smart enough either

Jackals had a religion most likely and joined the covenant for whatever reason

And most likely the army

[humble yacht]

Hunters are smart enough to create songs and poetry

[nimble crest]

The individual worms I mean sorry

Lekgolo

I must hear the hunter poem

[humble yacht]

Well sure a single worm isn’t smart but that’s why they form colonies

[nimble crest]

Was the pelican the only air vehicle that could ferry vehicles

In rapid succession

[humble yacht]

Condor

[carmine sleet]

Albatrosses too. Shame we've only seen them crashed

[nimble crest]

Need

[cedar surge]

Geez imagine all 3 of them in a air invasion

[versed helm]

Does the unsc reuse Mjolnir armor when a spartan dies

[carmine sleet]

Depends on what happens. Spartans have taken parts off of their fallen comrades and used them to replace damaged parts, such as what we see happen in the chapters of First Strike focused on Fred and Kelly down on Reach, but they have also detonated them too, such as what happens later on in the novel when one of them dies in the middle of the Uneven Elephant

[versed helm]

Thanks because I forgot

[nimble crest]

How rigid do you think the helmet attachments were? Like Uplink modules

Like do you think they would fall off or break easily

[cedar surge]

Well if a pice of Spartan armor falls off mid battle

Somebody is getting fired

[nimble crest]

I mean like if 6 had modules on his helmet would it have fallen off during the fall from orbit

[terse lava]

Doubt it seeing as he used a reentry pack

[nimble crest]

Well about that

The craft we see 6 pulling a magnum from is the reentry pack

[unique rune]

Uh, yeah, what about it?

[nimble crest]

It seemed to have not helped if it was a good walk from 6

[unique rune]

I mean, I'd imagine it detached at some point before B312 hit the ground. If he survived getting through the atmosphere and landing, I'd say it helped quite a bit.

[nimble crest]

He seemed to have been relatively fine besides a bit of a limp

[unique rune]

So... then the reentry pack did its job fine.

[nimble crest]

Getting away from the original question

Falling from orbit: would it break uplink modules off

[unique rune]

Without any assistance, probably, but with something like the reentry unit I'd imagine they're bolted on well enough that they'd stay on.

[nimble crest]

Aye

[gentle cedar]

My head cannon is that if chief never existed, cortana would have chose six

Change my mind

[unique rune]

smh
sleepin on my man Fred

[primal kestrel]

@gentle cedar Wasn't Cortana's primary function to aid Spartan II's. and Nobel 6 is a Spartan III

[terse lava]

Her primary function was to be able to help infiltrate covenant systems to assist the Spartans and the rest of the POA crew

[primal kestrel]

@terse lava True true. My bad

[terse lava]

All good

[primal kestrel]

Any theories on Cortana for Halo Infinite?

[cedar surge]

That this cortana might be mean

[primal kestrel]

My theory is that the Cortana Master Chief will find is a different one

[cedar surge]

Also the autumn class has all the upgrades the halcyon regits did right?

[primal kestrel]

Like if you remember Cortana from Halo r

*halo 4

She made multiple copitof herself

[cedar surge]

I thought it was decided that those upgrades for the halcyon was too expensive

@primal kestrel oh that is confirmed

[primal kestrel]

What if one of them helps the Master Chief against the banished

Wait, it's confirmed?

[cedar surge]

In tales from slipspace it is shown that a rampant cortana fragment got into the domain

[primal kestrel]

Ohhhh

[cedar surge]

So its not the same cortana

[primal kestrel]

Right

[cedar surge]

Its just a very broken piece of her

[primal kestrel]

Maybe this Cortana isn't infected with the logic plague

[cedar surge]

No logic plague

It was just plain rampancy

[primal kestrel]

I thought the logic plague was the reason Cortana went crazy in Halo 5 Guardians

[gilded mason]

It was not.

[craggy sierra]

Yeah no if it was logic plague she would’ve killed us all and probably released the flood by now.

[primal kestrel]

And we'll see the flood in Halo Infinite

[craggy sierra]

Says who?

[cedar surge]

That isn't confirmed

[gilded mason]

That is not confirmed at all

[primal kestrel]

And at the end of Halo 5, she powered up a Halo ring

[gilded mason]

No she is not

[craggy sierra]

You’re saying random disconnected things with no relevance to eachother

[cedar surge]

If cortana got the logic plague,why would she activate the floods greatest threat

[delicate notch]

@craggy sierra - Mendicant bias wasnt corrupted over a day. An cortana was "corrupted" in 30 days or so

43 years (?) vs. 30 days(?).

[craggy sierra]

Yeah seems pretty unlikely to me

Cortana’s just rampant

[gilded mason]

Ye.

[craggy sierra]

It’s literally a thing we’ve known about AI in Halo from day one of the universe. AI gets funky after 7 years.

[echo nebula]

Human AI's are inferior to Forrunner AI's

[gilded mason]

There'd be really no point to such a meandering and overly complicated method of Flood getting control that Cortana was doing now if she did have the plague.

[delicate notch]

You mean that she was rampant while she was "saved", and her state of crazy was saved into who she was?

[cedar surge]

Hmm?

[craggy sierra]

Yeah pretty much

[cedar surge]

Yea domain

Maybe the forerunners shouldn't have it so easy access

[craggy sierra]

Human AI's are inferior to Forrunner AI's
@echo nebula and the gravemind in Halo 3 is vastly inferior to the one that infected MB too.

[delicate notch]

Plausible, better than another "mendicant bias" vs. "Offensive bias"

[gilded mason]

And we see everything Gravemind did to her in Human Weakness. No logic plague.

[cedar surge]

And logic plague isn't something you can cure

Its not a sickness

[craggy sierra]

I mean it kinda is

[gilded mason]

Same way you "deprogram" somebody from a cult, I guess?

[craggy sierra]

People seem to get better when removed from the influence of a gravemind for extended periods of time.

[delicate notch]

Its just a new query of questions which humanity didnt add.

[craggy sierra]

Either case Cortana wouldn’t have been getting it worse while adrift in space after Halo 3.

It’s just normal rampancy.

[delicate notch]

Exactly

Everything depends on if she continued her rampancy downward spiral after she got "cured"(#didnt die)

[craggy sierra]

I don’t think it’s getting worse

She seems pretty stable

No glitching/insane mood swings as far as I know.

Just some really really shagged morales

[delicate notch]

the glitching was becasue of her memory getting destroyed.

[gilded mason]

Cortana - ReMix (Evil Cut)

[leaden minnow]

so boys

[echo nebula]

Unless you spend 100,000 years in a cryptum with no outside interaction of any type

[leaden minnow]

do we believe the forerunners actually wiped the precursor the omni dimension race of god from existence or was that just domain propaganda

[craggy sierra]

Also none of her behaviour aligns with anything the logic plague does

[primal kestrel]

Probably

Because that would explain the origin of the flood

[craggy sierra]

The logic plague isn’t just unbiased insanity

[delicate notch]

They escaped to other galaxies, but stayed in the milky way in the form of "dust"

[craggy sierra]

I’m going to go with they did mostly because tbh who’s decision was it to canonize god in the first place.

[delicate notch]

Logic plague is just questions creating a train of thoughts.

[leaden minnow]

true @delicate notch but why didnt they just transcend into a different dimension like they are portraied to do

[delicate notch]

Who said they didn't? @leaden minnow

[echo nebula]

The precursors allowed themselves to be killed. They believed that all experience, pain or pleasure, was food for the living universe

[leaden minnow]

and also why choose to fight back after youve been hunted by an inferior race

@delicate notch im just having one of those lore questioning moments my guy

[delicate notch]

And, and... And I'm just responding?

[leaden minnow]

ik its just stumping my mind that there was so many thing the precursors could have done before they were corrupted into the "flood" to stop their extinction but they only chose to do so after they were corrupted, which makes no sense to me

[delicate notch]

I do agree there @leaden minnow

[craggy sierra]

I think the less said about them the better

[leaden minnow]

true but like i need answers fam

...

[delicate notch]

I do, in contrast to you guys, believe that the Precursors have been mentioned to few times.

[craggy sierra]

I mean they’re literally god. Nothing good can come from that concept in any given way and having them still possibly exist would kinda just invalidate everyone’s existence.

[delicate notch]

It would entertain the idea of "God seeing what it created and turning its back to it".

[craggy sierra]

They did that when they either turned into space dust and or left. They can stay away.

[delicate notch]

Im not saying that I want them to return, just that I dont beileve the forerunners defeated them.

[echo nebula]

Ok, I am going to ask a question that has always bothered me about Halo 4
In the beginning of the level Composer, when Cortana has her rampant inner argument and crashes the Lich into the asteroid science station. Right after you wake up, there is a silver portal.
WTF is it? There is literally zero interaction about it in the game, but if you jump through it, you die

[leaden minnow]

ohhh

i found it to be a portal gate

some kind of new technology humanity was testing to see if they could replecate the forerunner sequence teleporters found on reqium although never actually encountered by the players

[echo nebula]

So why do you die?

[leaden minnow]

idk

[primal kestrel]

Probably a failed prototype

[leaden minnow]

i guess they never actually modeled or textured an area

so instead to keep the play in bounds they put a death barrier in it

[echo nebula]

I guess that makes sense

[unique rune]

I doubt it

Probably just something they wanted to throw in for fun

[glossy perch]

SPOILERS!!! I have a question. But I really don't want spoilers I just finished Halo 1,2,3,Reach in that order and I don't understand something. Please answer me with @myname since I won't read other messages here. The protagonist died in Halo Reach, will I have answers to whom am I playing in halo 1,2,3 in the others Halo (4-5)? Or I missed something in the games I played.

[normal star]

You play as John 117 @glossy perch

[primal kestrel]

Yes

You will

[cedar surge]

Think of reach as a prequel

@glossy perch think of reach as a prequel and yea you play the master chief from 1 to infinite

[leaden minnow]

@glossy perch If u do wish to reveal the lore on what a basic understanding of the game is then play them reach then combat evolved then halo 2 then halo 3

[primal kestrel]

Don't forget ODST

Comes between 2 and 3

[leaden minnow]

@primal kestrel yes but he played odst yet so it irrelevant in this conversation

[primal kestrel]

Sorry my bad

[leaden minnow]

also

if u want something that provides no lore what so ever in the entire halo series is

Play

[primal kestrel]

Or get Halo Mythos

[leaden minnow]

Combat Advanced made and played on the Gameboy advance

yes

correct

[glossy perch]

Thank you all for the answers

[leaden minnow]

@glossy perch if your ever stuck at all in any form of lore remember this one saying

Captain Keyes was never right

[dense falcon]

-Laughs in Cole Protocol-

[leaden minnow]

-Laughs in NI ORDER 12.45-VD

[primal kestrel]

-Laughs in Wort Wort Wort

[cedar surge]

Captain Keyes is smiling at his daughter from the hive mind as he sees her stupidly heading a frontal assault

[leaden minnow]

-Laughs in UNCOM Civilian Statute-

[primal kestrel]

-Laughs in Sangheli

[leaden minnow]

-Salutes in United Nations Space Command Regulation 3A-950-

i have very important question about the forerunners boys....

How did they exactly sustain their hundreds of billions population

because you exactly fabricate organic material for consumption

[lethal comet]

Maybe they could fabricate it

[candid laurel]

Their forerunners the guys who make pocket dimensions for fun

[leaden minnow]

PeHaps ThEy DiDnT NeED To EaT At AlL

[cedar surge]

Or maybe

Just maybe

They decided to

[lethal comet]

PeHaps ThEy DiDnT NeED To EaT At AlL
Actually that's possible

[cedar surge]

The forerunners were vegan

[lethal comet]

Their combat skin took care of their body

[echo nebula]

Their armor kept them alive, no need to eat

[leaden minnow]

hmst

sounds plausable

ok but

what about 343 guilty spark

[lethal comet]

What about him

[cedar surge]

I think they also used neural physics to trick their body

He is a robot

A AI

He doesn't need food

[lethal comet]

I think they also used neural physics to trick their body
@cedar surge Are you serious or sarcastic rn

[cedar surge]

He needs therapy

Sarcastic

[leaden minnow]

the monitors were only made to have knowledge on its installation how come in halo 3 it new the entire building plan and systems of the ark a diffrent more complex installation

[cedar surge]

But I wouldn't be surprised

@leaden minnow plugged into the network

[leaden minnow]

but then again

how would he know

[echo nebula]

Once on the Ark, he DL the schmatics

[leaden minnow]

because for a fact the ark used different systems than the other installations to prevent a prefire

he really do be praying extra for the ark systems

but the forerunners were idiot thou

they made a super AI to combat the flood

but that thing got turned

so they made another AI to cobat the AI that turned

[stiff creek]

It only turned because it was practically sentient.

OB, was not exactly sentient.

[leaden minnow]

yes

but you didnt se humanity using AIs o combat AIs

its the equivilant of using a bias on beis

[unique rune]

...What does humanity’s use of AI have to do with anything?

[leaden minnow]

there gene plan was meant to surface the forerunners

[unique rune]

The rise of the Created is an entirely different set of circumstances from Mendicant Bias’s turn.

[leaden minnow]

but they pulled a full 180 and were forcefully devolved

but still the logic plague

its a good concept but you cant intergrate it well with most things

[unique rune]

...What?

The logic plague doesn’t need to be “integrated” with most things

It’s a specific tool to be used in specific circumstances

[leaden minnow]

thats my point

i cant make sense of it

it either im just not vary well aquanted with the lore or im just not digging deep enough a pot hole for myself

[unique rune]

The logic plague is nothing more than a series of discussions and arguments to convince an artificial intelligence or other sentient individual that what the Flood is doing is “right”

It’s not a fixed concept
It can be adapted and modified to fit specific needs

[stiff creek]

The sense of it is that Mr. Gravemind used a ton of conversation to effectively mindbreak an AI. Probably wouldn't work on a dumb AI tho.

[leaden minnow]

ik what u dont get is can AI plague another AI

I

i meant I

[echo nebula]

The logic plague was used by the Russians back in the cold war to turn Americans into double agents. It's a real thing, just with a different name

[stiff creek]

That'd probably be a waste of time for an AI to even try inducing their own logic plague.

[leaden minnow]

back then they had agents in the halo lore they had space farmers who wouldnt pay taxes

[stiff creek]

[leaden minnow]

-Laughs in Article 428-A-

[cedar surge]

Cole vs thel in a naval battle?

[leaden minnow]

perhapse

[unique rune]

Unless Cole can pull off another Battle of Psi Serpentis, I’d imagine Thel would probably win going on tech gap and numbers alone.

[terse lava]

Thel would likely win, same reasons as Nova stated

[flat swift]

What happened to the US

[lethal comet]

Like the united states?

[flat swift]

Yes

[lethal comet]

In halo mexico, us and canada are now the united republic of north america

[flat swift]

So what happened to europe

[cedar surge]

Presumably the same thing

[round comet]

we dont know the specific details.

[lethal comet]

there are three unions

European Union

North Atlantic Protectorate

[round comet]

but we do know that nationality and stuff is not as significant for humanity.

[lethal comet]

and Greater Czechoslovakian Authority

[flat swift]

And they are all apart of UNSC?

[cedar surge]

UEG

The unsc is the military branch

[echo nebula]

The Haloverse is more planet loyal than anything. Like instead of I'm and American, I'm from Gao

[flat swift]

Oh yeah I forgot usnc military

[cedar surge]

But yea every country got assimilated under the UEG

[flat swift]

So is the ueg future NATO

[cedar surge]

So really its more of what planet your born from than from what country now

[lethal comet]

But the former countries still have freedom to a degree

[round comet]

The Haloverse is more planet loyal than anything. Like instead of I'm and American, I'm from Gao

because humanity is spread across the galaxy and not a planet, yes.

[cedar surge]

Well not as much anymore

Few dozen colonies left

Like around 80 I say

[lethal comet]

Some colonies are staying under the radar on purpose

[echo nebula]

I never understood, if a colony wanted out, why force them to stay? Less spend resources to monitor

[cedar surge]

Well

That's like cutting off a entire supply line for the UEG

You lose people

Taxes

Trade

Possible resources

[lethal comet]

The same reason why the british didnt want to lose colonies

[echo nebula]

yea, but how much was spent forcing their will on them, vs how much was gained by forcing their will on them?

[lethal comet]

They gained a lot

Mineral deposits

Industries

Labor

taxes

[echo nebula]

Lost military members and ships due to fighting

On the plus side, without the insurrectionist fighting, humanity would not have had any space warfare training

[lethal comet]

Innies cant take down ships that easily

Before the covenant came

[round comet]

the innies exist lol

[echo nebula]

Think pelicans, not starships

[lethal comet]

Macs were overkill

And think of them as possible threats to the unsc

What if they come after other colonies next

What if they form their own military against the unsc

[round comet]

all the unethical tax stuff in the outer colonies didnt exactly lead to peace lol

[cedar surge]

Enethical?

[round comet]

stuff like that can happen again

[cedar surge]

Weren't they taxed the same as those in the inner colonies?

[round comet]

i dont think so?

[lethal comet]

Not always

Taxes differ

[cedar surge]

But didn't the unsc put them their?

[lethal comet]

what?

[carmine sleet]

"Put them their" what?

[cedar surge]

So if the outer colonists just got the same taxes the insurrection would go down?

[lethal comet]

No

Humans will be humans

[round comet]

So if the outer colonists just got the same taxes the insurrection would go down?

taxes were not the sole reason, just one of many.

we'll still be seeing innies.

[lethal comet]

They will always hate a earth based government

[round comet]

Humans will be humans

this too.

[echo nebula]

People do not like being ruled by people they will never meet

[cedar surge]

So most countries?

[carmine sleet]

A singular human can be smart, but a group of people is more than likely going to be dumb

[cedar surge]

I mean most people probably won't meet their countries leader

[round comet]

both the innies and the UNSC are at fault for what happened.

its human nature, theyll find a way or reason to fight.

[cedar surge]

Both sides did nuke civilians

@echo nebula i don't understand this point because wouldn't this go for most people? To not meet the person who they are being governed by?

[echo nebula]

I mean most people probably won't meet their countries leader
@cedar surge True, but if you were motivated, you could travel to your nations capital and have a chance to see him/her from afar. In halo, you would have to travel from far planets to see the leader of the UEG

[limber elk]

I am enjoying this conversation

[round comet]

that makes no sense to me.

[limber elk]

I will continue to watch

[round comet]

👍

[cedar surge]

@echo nebula well that isn't anybody's fault is it? Slipspace tech wasn't as good back then

Or communication

[lethal comet]

There are more reasons to the insurrection

[round comet]

^

[echo nebula]

Not the point. Lets say you lived in America and something happened, and now the leader of America was Putin in Russia. Would you like being ruled from somebody on the other side of the planet?

Honestly, the UEG and the UNSC earned the insurrection, but that still did not give the insurrection the right to nuke cities

[round comet]

i wont really care unless they do something bad or i and the people dont get what they want and/or need.

[cedar surge]

Well wouldn't it depend on how fast they can respond to your situation?

Like they can have a response to your problem in a few hours

[echo nebula]

And there it is, people were not being governed by people who knew what they needed, they were governed by people who knew that THEY needed

[lethal comet]

I am now imagining Putin as Potus

[round comet]

And there it is, people were not being governed by people who knew what they needed, they were governed by people who knew that THEY needed

meaning that the UNSC being from the other side of the galaxy has nothing to do with the innies motivations, its more about what and how the UNSC ruled.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cedar surge]

Well now post war,with less people to worry about and faster slipspace tech

Problems should be easier to respond to

[lethal comet]

People want their own governments

[round comet]

how many people died exaclty

[lethal comet]

Not some foreign power telling them waht to do

[cedar surge]

23 billion

Put of 39 billion

[round comet]

oof.

[cedar surge]

16 billion left

[round comet]

left?

[cedar surge]

In existence

[round comet]

oh right.

[echo nebula]

https://www.halopedia.org/Human-Covenant_War#:~:text=The official end of war,individuals killed during the hostilities.

[cedar surge]

Also couldn't they create a local government under the UEG for planets?

[round comet]

they can.

and i think a lot of them did?

[cedar surge]

I think harvest had its own

Yea I think some did

And if not close enough to the solar system

Huh. The innies really almost got destroyed

Also yea after the war innies activity spiked

Like trying to kick the unsc while its down

In not sure if many of them cared about separation from the UEG anymore than just destroying it

[round comet]

did they care about the former before the covenant war? lol.

their methods ave always made me believe they just wan to destroy the UNSC or well UEG.

[lethal comet]

I want venezia to be nuked

[echo nebula]

Venezia is to useful to be nuked

[lethal comet]

How exactly

[echo nebula]

How much intel did they gain in the Kilo5 trilogy from Venizia

[round comet]

....

[lethal comet]

......

[echo nebula]

ONI had a guy living there for years gathering intel and on standby to assist when more direct contact was necessary

[lethal comet]

Not years

merely months

The intel they got was that venezia was armed with lots and lots of covenant weaponry

All the more reason to nuke it

[round comet]

^

🗿

[dense pulsar]

I can understand why the innies want to seperate from the UNSC, I just think its not a super good idea after the Human-Covenant war

[lethal comet]

Innies will be innies

And not all people who hate the unsc are innsurrectionists

Like Gao

[round comet]

wont be surprised if people within the UNSC themselves hate it.

[candid laurel]

Do you think that the spartans are close to what an average ancient human was

[versed helm]

Maybe in terms of genetics.

Was the theory of evolution ever proven to be correct in this timeline?

[candid laurel]

Well its essentially in our universe so yeah i think

[echo nebula]

I wish I could post photos

[round comet]

you can post links.

to those photos.

[echo nebula]

No, I had to use the snipping tool to take a photo of a YT video to get the portal from the Halo 4 level, Composer

[carmine sleet]

You mean the weird death portal from the beginning of the level?

@echo nebula

[echo nebula]

Oh yea

[carmine sleet]

I'm guessing you're wondering what it is

Because honestly, nobody has a clue, it's kinda just unexplained

[echo nebula]

Yea, I spent hours scouring the internet for what it is, was supposed to be, yada yada yada. I ended up having to play a YT video and using the snipping tool to get a photo of it

The general theory is either, a slipspace portal that goes nowhere, so you get ripped apart by slipspace and die,

Or it is supposed to take you somewhere, but the somewhere was deleted, so you die

Or it is a composer portal, and jumping through it kills you, which does not make sense because you are supposed to be immune

Or it is the Halo's firing energy, contained within the portal, and only your armor falls down, but your body is disintegrated

It just kills me that they went through the effort of programming the portal killing you, but provides zero explination as to why

[carmine sleet]

Sometimes you just find a weird death portal with no explanation for why it exists

[echo nebula]

I just used instagram to ask the Halo instagram account

I doubt I will get an answer

https://www.instagram.com/p/CE9A-VPgq_CYE74Z0TXURvubiiKJXqRrDnsl4Y0/?igshid=1xjuek9079c8n

[candid laurel]

how does teleportation work in halo is it similiar to slipspace

[cedar surge]

well only the forerunners really used it

[humble yacht]

Halopedia says teleportation grids use slipspace

[cedar surge]

so in how many times post war does the home fleet get trashed?

[prisma root]

when they fired installation 08 in h3. they were killing all survivors?

[stiff creek]

Everybody but Chief and Arbiter, and Johnson were back at Earth, or supposed to be, anyway.

[prisma root]

so what's the point of firing it?

the flood wouldn't die anyways

[stiff creek]

Well, since it was not yet fully built, it would destroy itself, and fling the Flood on the ring to their doom.

Actually, some survived and landed on the surface of the Ark, but were quickly dealt with by the now very active Sentinels.

[craggy sierra]

Because that Halo Wars 2 DLC is what happens when you prioritize nostalgia pandering over cohesive story telling

[versed helm]

The Flood should have been eradicated.
Awakening the Nightmare shouldn't have happened.

[stiff creek]

Well...

[prisma root]

Because that Halo Wars 2 DLC is what happens when you prioritize nostalgia pandering over cohesive story telling
agreed

they're confusing me

[stiff creek]

High Charity exists.

[prisma root]

high charity was supposed to be cleansed

[stiff creek]

Much of the inside is destroyed, enough to kill what intelligence was in their, but some survived.

[craggy sierra]

Anyways it did take out a bunch of the flood and the gravemind when we fired the Halo.

[prisma root]

did they survive because of the ring was faulty and hence the firing too...?

[stiff creek]

Maybe.

But the way the Flood react to a ring firing is weird.

[prisma root]

or maybe there was enough biomass for them till high charity was opened

and the flood was released

[versed helm]

The Ring only taking out the Flood on its surface and locally on the Ark is a stretch but understandable.
High Charity remaining practically intact after Chief destroyed the core reactors is not.

[stiff creek]

^

Funky lore moment.

[prisma root]

also we still don't know how the banished got to zeta halo from the ark right?

[stiff creek]

They weren't all on the Ark.

[prisma root]

They weren't all on the Ark.
atriox was

[stiff creek]

Just Atriox and some lackies.

[prisma root]

yea

pretty much everyone

[versed helm]

Only the Enduring Conviction was present at the Ark.
Other ships, including Atriox's personal Corvette, were absent.

[prisma root]

or else escharum would've come for his rescue

atriox is stuck on the ark

[stiff creek]

Mmhm.

[prisma root]

pretty sure they got there

[stiff creek]

Neh.

[prisma root]

they fought a war with humans on zeta halo

[stiff creek]

Maybe Escharum is confident Atriox wouldn't run into trouble.

Just takin a while.

[prisma root]

ark is too far away from zeta halo to even for tcontacting

[craggy sierra]

The Ark wasn't near their full forces

Also the ark isn't something you usually just casually nip off to for a sunday afternoon drive. It takes months of consecutive slip space travel without the earth teleport

[cedar surge]

so chief just didn't blow up enough generators on HC in 3?

[stiff creek]

Still amazed at that^^

Probably did.

Though those generators seemed kinda small.

[cedar surge]

so by the time of infinite cortana could have slaughtered everybody at the ark?

[stiff creek]

no?

[cedar surge]

well they did say it takes months of travel to get to the ark

[carmine sleet]

Cortana hasn't got access to the Ark

[stiff creek]

Because the Ark is rad.

[carmine sleet]

She is more focused on what's going on in the galaxy than she is on what's happening on the Ark

[lethal comet]

She already has a halo under her control

We don't know if its zeta or not

[cedar surge]

i would say the ark is more impressive than a halo

[stiff creek]

Yes.

[lethal comet]

One halo is enough to act as a gun to the head for earth

[stiff creek]

For a chunk of the galaxy, you mean.

[cedar surge]

and to kill everyone in the orion arm

[lethal comet]

You get the point

Why go to the ark when one halo is enough

And if she is working with the banished

Then she has two halos

Or possibly three

That's a lot of halos

[stiff creek]

One is enough power.

Especially because it can be used as a decent planet.

[cedar surge]

why wuld the banished ever work with cortana

doesnt that go against their entire point?

no more false prophets no more lies

[stiff creek]

Kinda.

[cedar surge]

with brutes stomping through the way

[stiff creek]

Escharum doesn't seem to like Humans.

Seems to hate em.

[cedar surge]

i wonder why

ONI shenanigans?

[lethal comet]

The covenant lies never really left them

And they all lost their brothers to the war

[carmine sleet]

Not everything that makes someone hate humanity comes from ONI

[lethal comet]

The humans are allowed to join the banished

[carmine sleet]

Not the Banished

[lethal comet]

Yea criminals are allowed to join according to halopedia

[cedar surge]

they can

[stiff creek]

Maybe Atriox's ideal Banished.

[cedar surge]

but not sure actually doing it is smart

[carmine sleet]

Keepers of the One Freedom are the group that allows humans to join

[lethal comet]

Atriox has no animosity towards humanity,[43] and is technically open to recruiting them, though the Banished's violent culture and conditions of service make them unattractive to many humans.

He just hates the unsc

[humble yacht]

Keepers of the One Freedom are the group that allows humans to join
Which doesn't make sense because they're the ones who are also continuing the beliefs of the original Covenant

[cedar surge]

i guess they just decieded the prophets were lying about humans being demons

[stiff creek]

Those were the guys led by Avu, right?

[lethal comet]

No

Avu led Servants of the abiding truth

[stiff creek]

Oh.

Right.

Avu seemed neat.

Had a cool cape tho.

I don't think I'm familiar with the Keepers.

[lethal comet]

Avu's death was anti climatic

[stiff creek]

Right?

[lethal comet]

His last words were literally "Wort"

[stiff creek]

that must mean something

[sharp adder]

Wort transtaes noo as he died

[stiff creek]

Either Avu was weak, or G059 is protagonist worthy.

[cedar surge]

in the second battle of new mombasa it says the war photograpgher took a picture of the chief. and earlier said that chief helped a pinned down platoon. but apprently he was never at the battle at all?

[humble yacht]

Benjamin Giraud

[lethal comet]

Maybe it is referring to first battle of mombassa

Chief helped a platoon pinned down by two wraiths on metroplois

[cedar surge]

https://www.halopedia.org/Second_Battle_of_New_Mombasa

John-117 was not actually killed during the battle. In reality, he was not present at this battle at all, being at the Battle of Installation 05 with the UNSC In Amber Clad,[8] and after returning on November 17, 2552,[9] went missing shortly after the Battle of Voi in November of 2552.[10]

[lethal comet]

Look at the notes

It says this is not a reliable source

[cedar surge]

so he both was and wasn't at the battle since its been canonized

[lethal comet]

This is like the situation between fall of reach and halo reach

[humble yacht]

Inb4 the Believe campaign used paid actors to pretend to be marines

ONI hired them

[stiff creek]

ohno

[cedar surge]

the warthog is a paid actor

[stiff creek]

Those actors were pretty darn good tho

[cedar surge]

yea they were

[humble yacht]

It’s not the first time marketing material has issues fitting into canon and it probably won’t be the last

[cedar surge]

but remeber when they tried to give that one marine ptsd by putting him in nearly the same traumatic situation?

but at least the museum of humanity made it so that humanity are not technology gods in a long time

[inner basin]

@cedar surge It was speculated that a Spartan clad in Mjolnir Mk. VI who was present were Chief was not was Will-043. He had potential but was killed off in the most anti-climactic way

[cedar surge]

got the ol plasma power wash

"a massive UNSC fleet returned to the system and nuked the debris field, blowing it to bits and disrupting its gravity with the system's star."

massive unsc fleets are back

well

there was a few hundred ships at the end of the war

so why did etran harborage have a big forerunner fleet?

and other shield worlds did not

[humble yacht]

Different shield worlds had different purposes

Why did requiem have an army of Prometheans and others didn’t?

[candid laurel]

because that was where the didact was imprisoned

why did the prometheans look like bioncle

[stiff creek]

Pretty sure that was a rhetorical question.

[candid laurel]

yeah it was

warden eternal is a bionicle

[obsidian thistle]

It’s not the first time marketing material has issues fitting into canon and it probably won’t be the last
@humble yacht plus it may not even be John at the battle if the Will (or other Spartan) theory is true. XD

Still really happy about that theory tbh heh

[lethal comet]

Blue team except kelly has MK VI too right?

[obsidian thistle]

Linda and Fred had odd Mark VI with GEN2 underpinning armor at that point. (Aka armor that looks like Centurion and Argus)

Fred even had this armor in Onyx.

[lethal comet]

But don't we see a mk VI on the cover of ghosts of onyx

[cedar surge]

did the end of foward unto dawn get retconned

?

[lethal comet]

did the end of foward unto dawn get retconned
Not as far i know

its still canon

[cedar surge]

yea it showed the infinity going to reqiuem with a big fleet

[lethal comet]

That scene may not have been 100%canon

Infinity doesnt have that many escorts

or maybe it was a battle group like someone suggested

[carmine sleet]

But don't we see a mk VI on the cover of ghosts of onyx
The covers of the novels are normally not 100% accurate to what actually happens within them. Basically, the art is to look cool

[cedar surge]

well yea

goes for escalation too

oh got to the part where halsey betrays jul too

[inner basin]

Well if you played H5, you would know that she's not 100% allied with Jul

But ofc Escalation came out before H5, I think

[plain sierra]

how did jul die so easily

[cedar surge]

arrogence

and to make space for the created

[carmine sleet]

Who's arrogance?

[fair hazel]

Jul got easily captured by a spartan II

[lethal comet]

Jul got easily captured by a spartan II
He was caught off guard and wasn't expecting it

[icy jungle]

Debating on buying the Nightfall mini series anybody know if it’s worth it?

[humble yacht]

you'll get different answers based on whether someone liked it or not

[stiff creek]

Mini series?

Like the movie?

I thought it was alright.

[cedar surge]

how do aliens look in them?

[stiff creek]

Okay.

[kindred epoch]

I wonder if the C.O.G army fought the UNSC

[humble yacht]

The COG from gears?

[kindred epoch]

yes

[humble yacht]

no

[kindred epoch]

i am talking what if C.O.G fought the UNSC in a xbox party

[cedar surge]

who is the COG?

[kindred epoch]

gears of war

ever play gears ?

[humble yacht]

the unsc would kick the crap out of the COG in a theoretical crossover fight

[kindred epoch]

Hammer of dawn

[humble yacht]

UNSC has weapons that dwarf the hammer

also UNSC has freaking starships

[kindred epoch]

so

besides i am getting beat up by locust

[humble yacht]

MAC > Hammer of Dawn

[kindred epoch]

ehh

a hammer of dawn can destroy a city

[humble yacht]

MACs don't need external targeting systems

just point and shoot

[kindred epoch]

it has to charge

[fair hazel]

So can MACs..

[humble yacht]

also UNSC could just fly a ship up into Sera's atmosphere and take down the satellites

[kindred epoch]

hammer of dawn cant

[humble yacht]

boom, no more Hammer

[fair hazel]

It doesn’t take much to “charge”

Recharge can take short or long depending on strength and model and ship

[kindred epoch]

A hammer of dawn does not have to charge depending on how many hammer of dawn there are

a MAC has to charge like the Railgun

[fair hazel]

It’s a coilgun.

Like a big gauss cannon.

A hammer of dawn is a satellite that goes around and fires its beam.

[cedar surge]

can it target unsc ships from hundreds of thousands of kilometers away?

[kindred epoch]

yes it can

[fair hazel]

A MAC is a variety of weapons usually ship mounted or some are station mounted with varying yields.

Proof ?

[cedar surge]

its a laser

[fair hazel]

Launch a few missiles at the hammer of dawn satellites boom no big deal

[kindred epoch]

IM FIREING MY LAZER

[cedar surge]

also couldn't a prowler just stealth onto it and deploy mines or nukes?

[fair hazel]

Just because something is a laser doesn’t mean it’s going to be accurate at certain distances. The laser doesn’t magically track targets.

Just shoot it a bit and no more satellite

[kindred epoch]

Fine,

what about locust horde fought blue team?

[humble yacht]

Also Hammers are prone to losing targeting ability due to cloudy weather

[cedar surge]

are locust tough?

[kindred epoch]

they are tough

there better than the swarm

[fair hazel]

Spartans are, something else.

[kindred epoch]

ever play gears 1 2 3

[cedar surge]

oh hey they look like brutes with lizard skin

no

[humble yacht]

If you're asking if Blue Team could beat the entire Locust Horde, then probably not

but that's not really a fair match up

[cedar surge]

maybe in the future

[humble yacht]

1 team versus a whole army? of course the army would win eventually

[cedar surge]

does gears have a team for blue team or alpha 9 to fight winter spartan?

[kindred epoch]

no

i did nothing

[humble yacht]

Delta Squad

[kindred epoch]

delta, alpha eta

[carmine sleet]

Ain't Delta just some buff people, like none of them are super soldiers?

[humble yacht]

Blue Team would turn Delta Squad into chunks

Fred would probably grab the lancer chain saw with one hand and crush it

[kindred epoch]

okay then i got to make some heretics repay their will before i shoot them with a lancer

[fair hazel]

What

[kindred epoch]

i will

[cedar surge]

could gears of war survive the flood?

[humble yacht]

no

[kindred epoch]

depends

depends on what weapon there useing

there i mean the cog

[fair hazel]

Nope

[kindred epoch]

not only that

The COG, Swarm, eta will have to fight the flood

[carmine sleet]

Unless there's something equilevent to a Halo in Gears, they ain't surviving the Flood

[humble yacht]

they almost didn't survive the Lambent, and lambent infection was much slower

[kindred epoch]

a flood is nothing like the lament

[humble yacht]

yeah, flood is worse than lambent

[kindred epoch]

true

[fair hazel]

They’re not lambs that’s for sure.

[kindred epoch]

:(((

[carmine sleet]

But Gears characters would be lambs to the slaughter if they faced the Flood

[cedar surge]

what universes would you guys say that could really beat the flood

[kindred epoch]

umm

lemme think and lemme get my BONELESS BREAD

[humble yacht]

I think Dead Space necromorphs would be interesting

because that spreads through a signal, not a standard infection

so what would be stronger: the flood cells or the marker signal? which would be better and converting dead tissue?

[kindred epoch]

fallout Creatures and the Brotherhood of steel, (i can;t remember anything

i can't speak but nice talking with you guys

[cedar surge]

i would say fallout unierse would fall fast

many of the wasteland are tribals

and their level of tech is not good enough to eradicate the flood unless they raid some high tech vaults

[humble yacht]

I wonder how susceptible flood cells are to standard radiation

[cedar surge]

i would say that the C.I.S from star wars would be a good match for the flood

can be sent in hordes

[humble yacht]

maybe against a small infestation

[cedar surge]

mostly dumb AI

and have plenty of vehicles and types

plus they are not all connected

so if one of em gets the logic plauge not all of them get it

[humble yacht]

the individuality among droid soldiers could make them susceptible to logic plague

all you need is one droid unit to go bad, then it sabatoges the command ship or takes out whoever is leading the army

[cedar surge]

could sheer stupidity negate it? if they don't understand they woulldn't be infected right?

[humble yacht]

After all, all droids have some biological person leading the army

[cedar surge]

wel not always

[humble yacht]

at the highest chain of command, the CIS was led by biologicals

there may be droid tactician units but they took orders from Count Dooku or some other biological

[cedar surge]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/ST-series_super_tactical_droid

[humble yacht]

yeah, that guy

he took orders from Grievous and Dooku and Sidious

[carmine sleet]

Don't forget the other members of the Trade Federation too, such as Watt Tambor from the Techno Union

[humble yacht]

yea

[cedar surge]

those guys are usually in the backline

or surrouned by hundred of droids

if the droids can keep the flood occupied by sending hordes of droids to the front lines

they may have a chance

unless the flood get to corusant

then its all over

there are probably millions of slipspace capeable ships at coruscant

not to mention trillions of people

[humble yacht]

small flood infestations have been quelled by plenty of factions

but the real question is whether a interstellar infestation could be beaten by CIS

otherwise it's not really interesting

[cedar surge]

i think yes

[humble yacht]

i think no

[cedar surge]

if we say its a fresh start for the flood

[humble yacht]

by the time the flood reaches Interstellar Phase, they have access to multiple planets with life on them

[cedar surge]

having to use information from star wars and use their ships

[humble yacht]

fresh start for flood is boring, chief beat that practically on his own

[cedar surge]

i mean

having to use star wars vehicles

and info

[humble yacht]

besides, if the flood have to start fresh then that means the CIS have to start with no knowledge of the flood in the first place

[cedar surge]

not being bassically a idiot

ok

well the cis did have plans for the death star

[humble yacht]

the droid army was constructed for a reason, it's not like they were just on the backburner waiting to be used

so it's not fair for the CIS to have a huge droid army right off the bat and the flood having to start from a fresh outbreak

[cedar surge]

yea ok

what about the other factions?

[humble yacht]

maybe the Trade Federation or Techno Union finds a halo and lets out the flood, they probably would fail to contain it like the covenant did

[cedar surge]

i doubt the republic would take this sitting down

[humble yacht]

after that failure they would see the necessity for droids and start building up droid army to fight the flood

but the flood would be infecting bodies and building a gravemind as they do at the same time

[cedar surge]

would the cis leadership themselves would make that decision?i felt tthat they were pretty smart

[humble yacht]

and if they got their hands on a single ship (which they've done many times), then they could easily flee off world and go somewhere to keep growing

[cedar surge]

like any core world

oh boy

imagine flood on kuat

did the flood actually produce ships with their knowladge or just stole them

because they could use kuat to make flood fleets

would you say cis weapons would be as effective?

i don't think they are as good as covenant weapons

[humble yacht]

stole them

blasters in Star Wars are weird because their effectiveness varies alot based on plot

protags can get shot and survive while clones and droids can get hit once anywhere and die

[pale zephyr]

Plot armour best armour

[cedar surge]

the only hope for the c i s then is to just hide in the unkown regions then

while building up more trillions of droids

also i thinks its dumb that somehow 2 million clones were fightin gtrillions of battle droids

[humble yacht]

combat droids had bad aim

1 clone was easily worth 5-10 basic combat droid

[cedar surge]

yea but imagine how many droids are produced a minute vs how long it takes clones to get ready for combat

if it wasnt for palpatine the republic would have been defeated

[humble yacht]

palpatine was the reason the war started in the first place

[carmine sleet]

If it weren't for Palps, literally none of Star Wars would've happened

[cedar surge]

well

only clone wars to the resistnce first order war

oh yea

if thrawn was in charge of unsc forces would have the war gone much better?

i think not

[versed helm]

Clones also had accelerated learning, takes half the time so basically when they turned 10 they were 20 ready to fight

[nimble crest]

Kinda like

How did Halsey react when she was made known of the Project Chrysanthemum? (Spartan III)

[prisma root]

there are 42 spartans

but the program says only 33 survived

can anyone tell me how? I'm curious

[humble yacht]

halo is not immune to lore inconsistencies

[prisma root]

so there ARE 42 spartans, amirite?

[humble yacht]

there are as many as the lore needs there to be

[prisma root]

uh okay

i'm confused

[unique rune]

yeah the numbers have been revisited and changed through various retcons over the years

[prisma root]

ohh

[unique rune]

I think the additional 9 are accounted for as washouts that survived but were later re-augmented

[prisma root]

i've actually done some research and i found 42 spartans

i named them in order

[humble yacht]

no need to copy/paste that list from halopedia

[prisma root]

how did you predict that?

[obsidian thistle]

Oh yea I need to rehaul the list on Halopedia

XD

Make it into

1. Original Successful augmented Spartans
2. Rehabbed Spartans
3. Failed augmentation
4. Death by augmentation
5. Unknown (these would be Spartans that we cant say were part of the original succesful Spartans or were rehabbed.)

[dusty pilot]

Retired Spartans?

[carmine sleet]

Only one, Maria

[west silo]

Wouldn't Randall also count?

[stiff creek]

Kinda?

[cedar surge]

so the construction yards in the oort clouds

are they just sitting there collecting dust?

[stiff creek]

Probably not.