Nova bomb would work
i guess.
#lore-and-universe
round comet
cedar surge
Hey cortana managed to get all guardians in one place
round comet
Double RIP the planet they’re on then
yeah thats the issue.
round comet
cortana is a trillion times smarter than anyone else in the galaxy.
you cant just fool her like that lol.
craggy sierra
This isn’t making a good case for willingly waging war on the created if they decide to not keep being oppressors. So far we have the calculated losses for a single engagement at an entire planet’s electronic infrastructure and all our ships in the area if we lose, and literally the entire planet itself if we win.
round comet
yeah no they wont wage war.
cedar surge
Electronic warfare?
round comet
probably have been playing the defensive game for these 2 years.
oh hey i just remebered
cedar surge
Unsc AI have been shown to have great appitude for forerunner tech
craggy sierra
But this is UNSC AI being powered by all the processing power of the nth dimension now.
Which is powerful enough to stop the effects of rampancy from setting in completely
craggy sierra
Yeah
cedar surge
You think Isabel or Serina would join the created?
round comet
which may or may not have 100000000000 years worth of knowledge inside it
You think Isabel or Serina would join the created?
we know that isabel has not.
craggy sierra
Like we might as well be comparing a pentium to an Xeon CPU.
And the pentium is from the early 2000s
cedar surge
So would have the unsc been prepared enough to fight avwar with the banished before the owls showed up?
craggy sierra
No
round comet
So would have the unsc been prepared enough to fight avwar with the banished before the owls showed up?
they lost and apparently "it was not difficult" for the banished so no.
craggy sierra
Despite how some people have interpreted the recent games, the UNSC has still been reeling on the back foot since the end of the war. All we really have to show is one really fancy command ship that was being made for many years before the war ended and meant to be the ark for humanity if earth fell.
boreal breach
From how I understand it, the technology of the UNSC became more advanced between the influx of Covie and Forerunner tech. However, due to the war, Humanity's territories were shrunk considerably.
They still would give a pretty good fight to whoever tried to attack though, and they would have a higher chance of winning then they would have say 50 years before.
craggy sierra
Post-war I imagine what resources the UNSC had ended up getting spread incredibly thin as they put a priority rush on securing all the forerunner structures throughout the galaxy that could have extremely bad consequences for everyone if left unguarded in addition to re-establishing forward colonization efforts and also all of the bureaucratic nightmares literally allowing aliens to glass a continent of your own homeworld might entail while also not being able to tell the general population it was in order to stop a lovecraftian flesh parasite from eating the world.
Like I do not envy whoever had to deliver that press conference.
boreal breach
Like, "Oops! Our bad. These aliens uhh... accidentally fired to kill the other aliens... It was for your own good uh..."
Oof.
inner basin
I mean it's very simple to explain it away. Just say that the Covenant glassed half a continent. I mean they already glassed New Mombasa
craggy sierra
We may have had leaps and bounds in technological progress since the war ended but nothing’s at the point where it would be able to compensate for the raw numbers of personnel and millitary assets lost.
inner basin
We may have had leaps and bounds in technological progress since the war ended but nothing’s at the point where it would be able to compensate for the raw numbers of personnel and millitary assets lost.
Plus potential personnel (like civilians who wanted to join the UNSC but didn't fit the age requirement before they died)
craggy sierra
We’re talking probably a century until the UNSC would be able to resemble its pre-war incarnation at best.
sharp adder
What if they just delete the domain
round comet
...
versed helm
that is not feasable
versed helm
then you shift+del the whole backstory of halo
lethal comet
shift+del cortana
sharp adder
Cortana is basically a calculator compared to a contender class ancilla.
@Ually#3746 i would say cortana would be cortana would be the fi2even experimental dump ai and medcrian would be the the same generation of ai as Roland as he is the newsets smart ai generation
cedar surge
Arvoding to halopedia
The unsc had a economic boom
@craggy sierra ppay war the unsc got a economic boom
So I wouldn't say recorded are thin
Heck they were building hundreds of new frigates
And the spirit with half its crew was able to fight a banished cell
inner basin
then you shift+del chief's girl
But that's Kelly (j/k)
round comet
NO.
inner basin
I did say j/k implying I was joking. I personally would never want that myself
lethal comet
Chief and kelly are like siblings
stiff creek
Linda.
inner basin
Chief and kelly are like siblings
Family is the word you're looking for. Not necessarily siblings, just family
versed helm
they a family forged through war
inner basin
they a family forged through war
Not just War. More normal things too like training and talking to each other
versed helm
and being augmented together
round comet
they are family by bond.
versed helm
and by physical augmentations
inner basin
and being augmented together
I wouldn't call children being augmented together "normal", but sure
versed helm
"hey john. nice ceramic augmentations"
"thanks, kel. i can now punch through people! you got yours yet?"
"im scheduled for tomorrow, after linda"
round comet
inner basin
I don't know if this was a skit, but I'm pretty sure all 75 were augmented at the same time
round comet
mhm
lethal comet
Not necessarily
If the spartan has the right equipment and makes smart decisions then he can take down a goliath
Just needs a lot of ammo and grenades
inner basin
So a Spartan taking on a hunter is scuicide
Not really. We've seen it happen a lot actually
cedar surge
How many of the banished forces has the UNSC in large encountered? Like how well do they know the banished
You sure
cedar surge
In CQC?
inner basin
I think so. I can't remember the details of exactly how
inner basin
At commanding, yeah. In battle? We've yet to see them fight afaik
cedar surge
The banished has done creative things with hunters
More armor,goliath,using them as sensors and blockades
I wish decimus was able to convince that skirmishes to make a banished science team
In HW2 red team is only 3
But wasn't there like 6 of them on Acadia in HW1?
What happened to the rest
lethal comet
I guess dead or reassigned
inner basin
But wasn't there like 6 of them on Acadia in HW1?
Red Team has only been a 3 member team. The other Spartan-IIs you are referring to is Team Omega
Also Omega is a 6 man team making 9 Spartan-IIs total at Arcadia
It's speculated that Omega are washouts (like Red Team), but there's nothing concrete to support this
cedar surge
Washouts are ones who the augmentation didn't work but lived right
versed helm
yeah, what did happen to Omega?
inner basin
Washouts are ones who the augmentation didn't work but lived right
It is refers to all the ones whose augmentations didn't work. Dead or alive
cedar surge
Then there are some washouts in ONI but didn't become Spartans 2
lethal comet
Like osman
cedar surge
Why didn't they come back?
versed helm
Back....from?
inner basin
Then there are some washouts in ONI but didn't become Spartans 2
Yeah. There was a mention of progress with some who were alive in Dr Halsey's journal. Rene sticks out in my head as one
cedar surge
ONI to become spatans
lethal comet
Some didn't want to
cedar surge
Oh
lethal comet
Some couldn't even if they wanted to
cedar surge
Like the deformed one
lethal comet
And some well, you know, died
inner basin
Musa too. He was crippled permanently
inner basin
Yes soren and fhajad
I don't think Fhajad is one. Soren is however defromed
lethal comet
Fhajad was permanently wheelchair ridden
inner basin
Fhajad was permanently wheelchair ridden
I wouldn't call that deformed. Musa was too
lethal comet
Jorge was a washout too iirc
versed helm
so, Serin is one
gilded mason
Jorge was a washout too iirc
Don't believe so
versed helm
Wait. Red team was a washed out batch?
gilded mason
Yeh
inner basin
Yep
versed helm
they sure dont look like it
gilded mason
They were able to be rehabilitated
lethal comet
Jorge wasn't included in red flag
His fellow spartans didnt know he existed
Only washouts are like that
inner basin
They were able to be rehabilitated
... and re-augmented... the important part
versed helm
so, do they count as S-IIs, or S-IIIs?
gilded mason
Yeah, I just included that as part of the rehabilitation
SIIs
SIIIs are an entirely new process, training regimen, etc
inner basin
so, do they count as S-IIs, or S-IIIs?
I don't see how they would be S-IIIs personally. Can you elaborate on what you were meaning with this?
versed helm
you said they were re-augmented
so, would the re-augmentation procedures fir them in with the IIs, or the IIIs?
gilded mason
Jorge wasn't included in red flag```
To be fair, he *was* dead by then. Oh yeah, and she notes in her journal during the Red Flag thing that Jorge wasn't there because he was "preoccupied".i think it depends on the kind of augs they got, since, technically speaking, they already had the S-II augs
inner basin
you said they were re-augmented
No, they were re-augmented with the same augmentations, likely more safer, but not too advanced from the original technology as they weren't dead for too long
versed helm
ahhh.
fair hazel
they're IIs..
carmine sleet
A Halo Follower video...
gilded mason
Oh boy
gilded mason
No.
carmine sleet
No, like, I'm certain this situation has happened before with the exact people who are here right now
sleek star
OHHH im sure tho Slipstream
unique rune
No, like, I'm certain this situation has happened before with the exact people who are here right now
Yeah our, uh, ‘friend’ here has done this before on numerous occasions
cedar surge
So what's the greatest thing can armor lock survive?
unique rune
Whatever the plot demands it survive
I don’t think we’ve ever gotten any concrete points of reference
Other than Chief’s fall from the Anodyne Spirit, but even then it’s hard to gauge
humble yacht
Basic armor lock is likely meant to protect the user by preventing any weird warping or breaking from a massive impact
Like chief’s fall in H3
The armor lock mod seems to take this a step further and overload the shields at the cost of mobility to create temporary invulnerability
cedar surge
Well y
You can't fall from orbit unscathed
Yet the fact they can do it in the first place and survive shows its good
scarlet frost
Once the flood turned an entire planet into a gravemind
gilded mason
The Halo array? Activated? Perish the thought!
nimble crest
I think I found out the real reason that the next title is in 10 years
carmine sleet
I doubt that you have
cedar surge
Anytime someone says they have the real reason,it is more often than not not the real reason
Why did the air force get the smaller longsword and the navy got the bigger one
Shouldnt it be reversed?
spiral jewel
Stupid question: What MK 4 variant is Daisy 023 wearing. To me it looks like either Recon, CQC, Hazop or Grenadier (to name a few)
inner basin
On Halopedia it just states Mk. IV powered assault armour, but if I had to throw it out there, I'd say CQC. It's what it looks closest to imo
spiral jewel
I'm on board with her having CQC
unique rune
Yeah, it's pretty blatantly derived from Halo 3's iteration of CQC.
carmine sleet
Didn't need to tag me and 7 isn't a reason
west silo
Man Jenkins life must have been sad
Spent nearly 30 years as nothing more than a private
Man he must have been one terrible marine
carmine sleet
Or he was fine sticking at that rank, whether that be because he was never really cut out to lead or because he'd rather see those he felt were better get promotions
cedar surge
So most covenant species are equal to a Spartan in a brawl right
opal birch
That's not how promotions work in the military. Even if we subtract the amount of time he probably spent in cryo in between operations, he's been in long enough that he should be an NCO. He's probably done some dumb stuff got that himself NJP'd and busted down in rank several times
gilded mason
About half, I'd say. Elites, Brutes, and Hunters
(Well, greater than or equal, at least)
echo nebula
SGM Johnson was a SSG when he first started training Jenkins. The only thing that makes sense is if it was the first Jenkins kid or grand kid
full forge
In hand to hand combat, Spartan usually beats elite. Brutes are strong though, and mobile. Probably on par with hunters.
@echo nebula After Harvest, Johnson offered to transfer Jenkins to his squad.
opal birch
@echo nebula or if Jenkins got NJP'd multiple times to remain a private
echo nebula
All I am saying is you would have to screw up constantly to remain a private for 30 years, and somehow, NOT get kicked out. the Haloverse may be different than todays military, but in todays military, if you are not a certain rank by a certain year, you get kicked out no matter what. On top of that, Jenkins would have been what? 48 at the youngest during Halo CE? You would have to be mentally deranged to WANT to be a Private at 48
Also, listen to Jenkins voice in the recording that the MC listened to, that was the voice of a young man, not a seasoned warrior with 30 years of war fighting under his belt. My best guess is Johnson took the original Jenkin's kid under his wing
unique rune
or original Jenkins just spent a looooot of time in cryo
west silo
Well the unsc probably wouldn't kick him out since they needed every soldier they could get
About half, I'd say. Elites, Brutes, and Hunters
@gilded mason
Could a grunt count too? Since sloth was able to force a Spartan to retreat
gilded mason
True. Stolt was abnormal, but still a grunt. And we know normal grunts can rip SIV arms off. So I guess they could count, yeah
west silo
Man now I really want to know more about him
And the S4
Poor him he's never gonna live that one down
feral perch
When has an Unggoy ripped off an S-IV’s arm?
gilded mason
The time is unknown. All we know is that Thorne says it can happen.
feral perch
wow that’s disturbing and strains belief
west silo
Well a normal grunt can rip a fully armored marine in half
feral perch
When has that happened?
west silo
Contact harvest
feral perch
hmm
west silo
Grunt gets scared kills a marine firefight happens
echo nebula
In contact Harvest the Grunt tried to eat a Marine, I do not remember the Grunt ripping him in half
west silo
What am wondering is how does a grunt spend most of his time around things like hunters , elites , jackel and brutes and get scared by something that is almost smaller than him
cedar surge
Well
I guess to a grunt we look weird?
They did just encounter us then
And we look pretty different to most of the other species
If we encountered another sentient species who looked pretty different we would think they look weird at first
west silo
Then again the grunt proceeded to tear him in half with his bear hands soo
cedar surge
Grunts do eat humans
Actually why would a grunt want to do that voluntarily
Yea there are multiple instances of them doing it
west silo
Human taste good?
cedar surge
But don't they think we are icky and gross?
west silo
Some animals look gross but taste good
And it's not like other covenant species don't eat humans
cedar surge
Jackals and brutes too
west silo
Hmmm do elites eat humans?
cedar surge
I doubt it
gilded mason
Never been stated. So I doubt it.
cedar surge
The elites do believe they are fighting a holy war against humanity
So I can't see them willingly eating one
Plus some believed us honorable
west silo
Well there are some very fanatical elites
cedar surge
Wouldn't those not want to eat human the least?
Because they truly believe we are demons?
And imps
And basically the incarnation of hell
west silo
Man now I just wish we had more insight into covenant civilian life
gilded mason
Same
cedar surge
We see a few jackal and elite colonies post war
Well
Under attack by brutes most of em
But a few we see elites,grunts,and jackals walking around
Heck there was a elite gettibg drunk and throwing up in a Bar
I think another drunk one was just looking sad over a table
I was kinda suprised
Never saw elites act like that
west silo
Ahhh escalations and its wacky art
cedar surge
Sometimes it looks good,like that scene were hood was bleeding out and I actually felt dread,or looks so wacky I burst out laughing
And the latter is most scenes
west silo
Every halsey scene
And sometimes palmers head looks like its too big or small for he body
cedar surge
Sometimes at a distance they have :)
On their faces
Like that scene where the Spartan was manning the AA gun to stop mercenaries
But the side views
Those were the best ones
Also it kinda feels like no Spartan in escalation has shields
I'm on 15 I'm pretty sure and have not seen it once
west silo
They even forgot that the suits have biofoam injectors
Was it thorne who got shot with the needlers in the swamp right?
echo nebula
From Halo Contact Harvest
Avery clenched his jaw. But he knew there was no way the squad leader could have anticipated that the second dropship would swing in behind them, low above the river, and secretly release a backup team. "Did you see him get hit?" Avery asked.
Stisen shook his head. "No."
"It was one of the little ones," Burdick whispered. His eyes remained locked on the spill of organs from Osmo's gut. "It knocked him to the ground. Tore him apart."
"I heard his weapon fire," Stisen said. "But it was too late."
west silo
Yep that seen
cedar surge
And people still believe our earth can fight off the covenant
echo nebula
Todays Earth would be obliterated quickly
west silo
One corvette could do the job honestly
cedar surge
In a video explaining why we would not survive the covenant,some people were actually daring them to come to earth
Because Apprently our militaries are better than the unsc
feral perch
what a joke
west silo
Just dont enter orbit like every other alien movie
Because Apprently our militaries are better than the unsc
@cedar surge
The unsc tank suckssssss
Blah blah blah
America strong yada yada yada
cedar surge
Funny thing is
I'm pretty sure most of them are american
Some even said the stuff we have would give the covenant nightmares
For some reason I don't think they watched the video
nimble crest
Did the installations have different biomes? Or were they all the same
echo nebula
I will say this, the Abrams tanks we have in the US are faster and deadlier than the Scorpion
In the games, the scorpion only appears to go around 15-20 miles per hour
west silo
How fast is an abrams
nimble crest
The scorpion needs one crew and no loader
west silo
Actually the scorpion is 60mph
nimble crest
Just had to balance it for the games
echo nebula
It does not seem like 60 when the marines can almost keep up with it
west silo
The scorpion needs one crew and no loader
@nimble crest
This actually bad since what if he gets exhausted or needs help with something
echo nebula
my Abrams would do around 50, fastest I had was 58 going down a mountain at full tilt
west silo
It does not seem like 60 when the marines can almost keep up with it
@echo nebula
Its game balance
nimble crest
^
west silo
It does not seem like 60 when the marines can almost keep up with it
@echo nebula
Remember in game a marine can almost take more damage than you
echo nebula
I know, but the scorpion does have unlimited ammo, whereas the Abrams only holds 42 rounds
cedar surge
Saw someone even call a spartan not that special
And how our forces can easily keep up with the covenant
echo nebula
maybe in normal or easy, but not legendary
cedar surge
And how we would reverse engineer their tech and start using it in a few years of fighting them
west silo
Humans nukes solve everything
Forgets covenant ships can move
cedar surge
I mean heck
Somebody said that we could stop any invasion with a nuke
Forgetting we are also nuking our own atmosphere
west silo
The real world would kill to have something similar to a pelican
cedar surge
And our one planet
echo nebula
Nukes did not save us in Independence Day until we infiltrated the ship
west silo
And that was because the aliens ship was vulnerable to an Windows virus
echo nebula
Considering how destructive the radiation in space is, and the speed in which most naturally occuring space debris is moving, nukes are not the end all of space battles. Their ships would have to have shields to be combat ready
west silo
Hell the covenant could easily just shoot the nukes down
And guess where the fallout is going
cedar surge
Some people just seem to think a nuke is just a big bomb
echo nebula
Considering the goal of the Covenant, if we managed to shoot down one CCS cruiser, but have nuked several parts of the planet in the process, we would still have more survivers
cedar surge
I doubt a single nuke would destroy a ship
Unless we have a powerful mac gun that takes down the shields
west silo
Wouldn't that much radiation create a nuclear winter? Dooming us anyway
echo nebula
thats why i said several parts, it would take at least a few do a dozen, nukes have never, on their own, knocked down their shields
cedar surge
Plus who would say all of earth would work together
echo nebula
Depends, the ICBM's that can get the nukes from one side to the other, should be able to reach orbit, if it is high enough, only the EMP would hit earth
west silo
I doubt a single nuke would destroy a ship
@cedar surge
And remember nukes lose most of there energy in space because of the lack of air
cedar surge
Either some fight the covenant,or the covenant have "peace" with some countries to use them to defeat others
echo nebula
Like the innies tried to do when they tried to give the spartans armor plans to the covenant
cedar surge
The whole world would not just work together
Heck some things might collapse
Like religion
Or riots
echo nebula
Religion is very stuck in tradition, and many would lose faith, but others would see it as a test or something
west silo
Depends, the ICBM's that can get the nukes from one side to the other, should be able to reach orbit, if it is high enough, only the EMP would hit earth
@echo nebula
Remember that time halo missile moved like a million kms and the covenant shot most of them down
cedar surge
Heck couldn't the covenant just target volcanos and wipe us all out that way?
west silo
Yellowstone is looking real suspicious now huh
cedar surge
It doesnt matter how much "muh country military" there is. The covenant is superior numerically,technologically,and politically
We don't have a single thing the covenant would want or just take themselves
west silo
Technically once u have space superiority its all about how much collateral damage u want
echo nebula
Ha, drop some plasma bombardment on Yellowstone and the other super volcanos and they could just wait for the planet to kill us off
west silo
One elite did do that
cedar surge
Heck just show up in orbit and say some lines and the world is gonna go into chaos
west silo
Actually some governments would be stupid enough to go to war anyways
cedar surge
And I would like to see how our armies far against plasma bombardment
echo nebula
The dimwits of the world who are looking for an excuse to riot will tear everything apart, killing at will, a good few % of the population will be killed off that way, some religious nut jobs will commit suicide, countries will attack each other for the right to "make peace" with the new arrivials
west silo
Sounds like a good movie
echo nebula
Sounds like a good way to cull our planets population, even if they do show up with good intentions
west silo
Reminds me of a Russian movie called annihilation
cedar surge
Even if for some reason the covenant decided to land ground troops
We are still all dead anyway
One plasma shot from a wealth will destroy any tank
Any ship in the ocean or sea is a sutting duck and target practise
And there is no way for us to "just reverse engineer it" their tech
Why do people think reverse engineering stuff is just that easy
echo nebula
We barely have vehicles that can park and/or drive themselves
cedar surge
Not to mention network blackout with all our satellites gone
echo nebula
How are we going to take a slipspace engine and make new ones? Unless there is a technical manual lying around, and just so happens that the language and their math matches ours
cedar surge
Heck trying to make a slipspace engine is just gonna do a mombasa slipspace engine incident again
echo nebula
I always thought it was funny that the ship captains would check the AI's math prior to a jump, just to make sure it was good
cedar surge
You know what even going to be better?
Some people actually think since they played the games they could beat the covenant
The only thing they actually acknowledge is that they can't beat the flood
So
Wanna take bets on how long humanity lasts?
I say two weeks
echo nebula
Depends on if there is actually anything on Earth the Covenant would want
If they arrive, their luminary indicates that we are to be killed and there is nothing on the planet to make a ground force worth it, then the only reason they would come down would be to eat us before glassing us
If they did that, we would be able to kill many of theirs, but not as many as it would take to make them leave
cedar surge
We could kill millions and they wouldn't go
It took the unsc 5 years and millions of marines to kick them off harvest
nimble crest
Do y’all think two attachments on the helmet is overkill
echo nebula
Depends on the attachments, what they do, and their size
nimble crest
3rd gen Uplink and command network on the commando helmet
safe inlet
two large pint cans
echo nebula
IRL? maybe, in the game, nope
nimble crest
In game 😂
echo nebula
IRL you have to consider what would really happen if you had to support those attachments and what would happen if you are in tight quarters and hit/catch them on stuff
Since most helmets are held on and stabilized by the chin strap, adding heavy attachments is not desired
nimble crest
Ing I need to focus on my looks and if it looks good or nah
And if it fits the spartan character I am making
echo nebula
X1 or PC?
nimble crest
Not really a difference for armors but X1
safe inlet
just strap beer cans to your helmet ez improvement to the chief
echo nebula
Take a screen shot, if you know what you are doing, I don't, you can save it and post it here
On my PC I took a video of a scarab walking around with only 2 legs after I destroyed it prior to when it was supposed to be accessed to be destroyed
nimble crest
“Pc master race”
echo nebula
Using the skull that lets you fly
nimble crest
Check dms
nimble crest
@echo nebula really going for spartan III recon/ commando, and that really looks good but I’m not sure if (b) or (k) is better for it
echo nebula
I just put the parts that I like, ODST shoulder armor, haunted pilot helmet
nimble crest
I’m doing a lil project and using my spartan as inspiration
A lot of it’s origins stems from screwing around on forge and character customization
echo nebula
cool cool
candid laurel
How would a grunt Spartan program fare
feral perch
no
candid laurel
I think they make exceptional warriors if they were motivated enough and making them into little Spartans would mean they're unstoppable
feral perch
n o
versed helm
No
candid laurel
just look at what they did in the Grunt Rebellion
cedar surge
No
feral perch
no
versed helm
Nine
cedar surge
The grunts do not need a Spartan program
They are already capable of ripping arms off
Humans are not
If every species were to fight bare handed,humanity would lose first
The grunts on their own are actually strong
Plus they have no facilities or people smart enough to build them to make augmentations and construct armor
candid laurel
Grunts are so childlike i feel so bad for killing them
echo nebula
You don't think Gudam Keschun would make a great Ungoy Spartan?
cedar surge
@candid laurel I don't,they started the war,eat humans pretty sure alive
How many millions of grunts died in the war you think?
Blue team in one operation killed 100 thousand
I think like maybe in the tens of millions
spare wind
hello?
candid laurel
@cedar surge Grunts didn't start the war the Prophets did they were essentially a slave race being forced to do the Covenants bidding
they had no say in the matter
cedar surge
Vincent
The grunts actually started the first skirnish
It attacked a militiaman
It started the first battle of the war
candid laurel
so one grunt who attacked a militiaman somehow means they started the war ok bud
who ordered the attack on the humans
it certainly wasn't grunts
candid laurel
it's a single grunt
cedar surge
Then both sides started to attack each other
candid laurel
this is like saying all Germans are responsible for WW2
candid laurel
Declaration of war (2525)
Intending to keep the revelation about the humans a secret and prevent the Covenant from falling apart, the new Hierarchs declared that the humans destroyed the holy reliquary on Harvest, and ordered the entire race to be eradicated
posted from Halo Wiki
nimble crest
The grunt ripped up a militamens stomach yeah?
candid laurel
it wasn't the grunts who declared war
again this is like saying every German is responsible for WW2
terse lava
The unggoy in question was part of a lance who were searching the area for the forerunner relics while the chieftain and his captains met with the humans. A human found the group, the little guy got startled and attacked the human, slicing his guts out
nimble crest
Wasn’t Tartarus and his father that met officially with the humans
terse lava
Tartarus and his uncle
candid laurel
@cedar surge so a single grunt attacked a human therefore the entire race is responsible?
nimble crest
That isn’t fair
candid laurel
I hate to see you in history class you'll be blaming everyone for all the atrocities that we commited against each other
terse lava
Uh Vincent, Lance said the unggoy started the first skirmish on Harvest. That much is true, but the first proper battle was later
he didn't start the war
nimble crest
It would have started anyways
nimble crest
The humans would’ve refused to leave the planet
candid laurel
it would've started eventually
terse lava
no, he's saying the first battle was started by the unggoy, not the war itself
nimble crest
And the brutes would’ve attacked
candid laurel
no his saying the Grunts were responsible for the war
he said they started the whole war itself
nimble crest
They were after artifacts on the planets and basically told the humans to leave or die
terse lava
ah had to scroll up a bit further, that is quite an odd claim
well the humans misunderstood, they thought the Covenant wanted the world itself, while they only wanted the supposed relics
west silo
That were actually humans
nimble crest
The humans would’ve most likely been like: “well these aliens want them so know I want them”
west silo
Well the grunt wasn't responsible for the war even though it would have happened anyway
But he was responsible for the firefight that happened
nimble crest
And as a result he got thrown into a whirlpool
cedar surge
Yea I meant the first battle of the war
Wait
The grunt got thrown into a whirlpool?
Why?
nimble crest
Because the brute chieftain was understandably mad
cedar surge
Also u be making assumptions about me @candid laurel
nimble crest
You don’t know him, lance is built different
candid laurel
sorry it's just that i hate it when you blame an entire race for the actions of a few individuals
west silo
Tell that to the people who want to genocide all the san shyumm
cedar surge
Yea I mislaid something
Oh yea
I think those guys are also 40k fans
Or paint a entire race as evil
west silo
Better cause the 3 stuggs wanted more power
cedar surge
Well I think more than 3 prophets were behind the war right?
west silo
Or paint a entire race as evil
@cedar surge
Well some races are entirely evil
Looks at the flood
cedar surge
Is the flood a race tho
gilded mason
Really just two, kinda one.
gilded mason
Yea regret was on the side of the elites```
I meant more Truth cowed Regret into submission to his genocidal plan, and Mercy just did whatever.Truth got regret assassinated,sabotaged mercy,and left with his fleet making a beeline for earth
gilded mason
Rude guy, that Truth
west silo
Well truth was a very slimy person
cedar surge
How much of truths fleet got through the defense grid and what was left of the fleet
Regrets fleet got destroyed by the unsc
With him barely escapping
west silo
Just the ships we see at the ark got through
gilded mason
No idea how many he brought, but it was enough to completely destroy the home fleet
terse lava
Fun fact, when the revelation was made, truth was the one to propose the genocide. Regret actually was against it at first
gilded mason
Ye
Also:
"The Prophet of Truth's ships breached the Lunar perimeter. Smashed what was left of the Home Fleet. Terrestrial casualties from the subsequent bombardment were...extreme."
west silo
I guess he regrets agreeing now
cedar surge
Don't have to argue when there is no one to argue with
west silo
But somehow left most of the ODPs intact
cedar surge
Saw someone say truth was the palpatine of halo
Except not omnipotent
Yet
Smashed could mean
Break through
I mean at the end of halo 2 there was a lot of explosions and fire over earth
gilded mason
Considering all Hood had to attack the Keyship were a few frigates...
cedar surge
To spare
nimble crest
What was the blue haze after Mombasa slipspace jump? Radiation ?
cedar surge
Vacuum
cedar surge
With all the ships in orbit
terse lava
Like the 19th century with horses and fancy clothes
cedar surge
Probably like reach's lakes
west silo
And ODP
nimble crest
I mean the blue haze over the city and particles in the air
west silo
Remember when a single frigate crashed on a planet and everyone said it might have destroyed the city
cedar surge
Yea Sydney
gilded mason
RIP Sydney
west silo
Imagine all the ships above earth
cedar surge
Welp
west silo
So cortana emp blast are temporary
@cedar surge
Only by an engineer
U know forerunner nanomachine computer
cedar surge
Well wasn't there ten confirmed autumn classes over earth?
We see what happens when they explode
And on earth with its mega cities
west silo
Yikes
west silo
Man everyone on life support is gonna have a bad day
cedar surge
Everyone on a road is going to have a bad day
Welp
At least hefore this
The unsc was having a economic boom somehow
Guess billions of dead people opened up jobs
Maybe the unsc can strike it twice ?
cedar surge
Anytime a forerunner ship is discovered is bad news
The ones at Etran harborage would have destroyed humanities fleets
The keyship did not take any damage and activated the voi portal
The MA composed new Phoenix
cedar surge
They should have just covered the guardian in cement
Everytging can be solved this way
Cover requiems doors in cement
Though that might take some time
You think the unsc could build a station like unyeailding heirophant?
That would be cool
A unsc mega station
Where navcom directs the entire unsc navy
Might take some time
But they managed to get 300 defense platforms over earth right?
Actually if high com is shieldproof why didn't they hide broadsword and ships under it
Actually I wonder how far a guardians emo blast is
Does cover earth and Luna?
west silo
Well it said its can patrol an entire star system
versed helm
guys i have a query
cedar surge
So it knocked. Out every colony in the system
cedar surge
On halopedia it doesn't state every colony under created control
versed helm
if a proto gravemind has the ultimate goal of turning into a full gravemind but the gravemind stores the conciousness of the primordial so is the goal of becoming a gravemind actually be a replacement to the existing gravemind with the primordial's conciousness?
west silo
On halopedia it doesn't state every colony under created control
@cedar surge
We don't know if they have all the colonies
if a proto gravemind has the ultimate goal of turning into a full gravemind but the gravemind stores the conciousness of the primordial so is the goal of becoming a gravemind actually be a replacement to the existing gravemind with the primordial's conciousness?
@versed helm
All graveminds are the same
lethal comet
Graveminds are made for coordinating and controlling the flood in the area
west silo
Its like going from childhood to adulthood
lethal comet
Then they make it bigger
versed helm
but doesnt the primordial transfer his conciousness to another body when his own body is destroyed?
cedar surge
Durinf the war with the forerunners there were hundreds maybe thousands of graveminds
west silo
Could have been more
cedar surge
Millions?
lethal comet
All graveminds share the same consciousness
cedar surge
Yep
west silo
The forerunners had millions of planets with billions
versed helm
but only one precusrsor was alive that was the primordial and he is literally the most intelligent being so is it that the primordial controls all the gravemind
lethal comet
But have different levels of computing power based on mass
cedar surge
Same computer different monitors
lethal comet
@cedar surge More like shared network drive
west silo
He is all the graveminds
He controls all the flood
versed helm
so more biomass= more control
lethal comet
They all have different computing power
terse lava
from the what the books show, the Primordial mainly inhabited a "prime " gravemind.
west silo
Keyminds are basically super computers
from the what the books show, the Primordial mainly inhabited a "prime " gravemind.
@terse lava
I'd say it becomes a prime gravemind once he inhabits it
versed helm
so the the primordial's intelligence isnt transferred to one gravemind but several?
cedar surge
So elites didnt like medicine since their blood is their honor right.
So what if you injected the blood right back in after doing the needed thing
gilded mason
Any Gravemind that exists, the Primordial inhabits
versed helm
thnx guys i gtg i got a test
cedar surge
Good luck
versed helm
thnx
west silo
Good luck
terse lava
don't cheat or we will brand you with the mark of shame
cedar surge
But then he will turn into a arbiter
versed helm
umm..
terse lava
no, he won't
versed helm
a skid skob bop this is super uncomfortable
cedar surge
Yea
So uh
Elite cuisine?
Has it been touched on in their books?
Like elites eating and stuff
cedar surge
Well elites have been shown drinking
west silo
Man I wonder if the unsc has any of those lifeworker engineers
Well elites have been shown drinking
@cedar surge
He couldn't even keep it in his mouth
west silo
These engineers can heal u like the ones in HW2
gilded mason
No, they were used to support lifeworkers
west silo
There in halo retribution and last light
gilded mason
Heal people, etc
lethal comet
Glasslands and thursday war showed elite cuiusine
cedar surge
3 people with elite names
lethal comet
Irrukan grain
cedar surge
So grain is a cuisine?
cedar surge
I wonder how they managed to last this long with a mouth like that
west silo
But can we eat there food?
lethal comet
But can we eat there food?
Yes
west silo
Nice
lethal comet
They eat some kind of meat slop as well
cedar surge
They would have to thrown their head under water to drink from any source of water
lethal comet
That tastes like dog food
west silo
Interesting
cedar surge
So a human ate some
west silo
Why not
lethal comet
And wheat gives elites gas
cedar surge
Even if I don't like the trilogy it did bring some cool stuff to the table
lethal comet
And Phillips was the arbiter's guest on sanghelios
cedar surge
Didn't Jul almost destroy the SoS due to that?
cedar surge
Like rallying other houses because the arbiter let humans onto sanghellios
west silo
Well he did escape because oni left a teleporter near a prison completely unguarded
lethal comet
Jul was part of them but got captured before the assault
cedar surge
ONI has teleporters now?
west silo
ONI has teleporters now?
@cedar surge
Oynx
lethal comet
To avenge his wife
cedar surge
On the unsc or SoS
lethal comet
both
gilded mason
Yes
cedar surge
Welp
lethal comet
He got lucky
west silo
He's dead anyway
lethal comet
And got the Didact's coordinates on onyx
Then teleported to some elite colony
There he found a keep who conveniently worshipped the didact
And found the complete coordinates of requiem
west silo
Bruh that plot convenience is as bad as cortana somehow knowing about the ark while traped on high charity
cedar surge
Jul took over a entire keep?
lethal comet
They followed him because he accidentally marked the didact's symbol on his belt
west silo
He not even good at fighting
lethal comet
And he came out of a teleporter
cedar surge
So he survived a assault,conveniently escaped through a teleporter ONI forgot to secure,found the didacts location,took over a entire keep who also worshiped the didact,and managed to turn that into covenant?
lethal comet
He was lost in the onyx hallways
So he marked some random symbols on his belt to keep track of where he had been
Those were the symbols of the didact and requiem
cedar surge
And that was conveniently the symbol of the didact
lethal comet
So he survived a assault,conveniently escaped through a teleporter ONI forgot to secure,found the didacts location,took over a entire keep who also worshiped the didact,and managed to turn that into covenant?
He was never even in the assault
cedar surge
Jul was part of them but got captured before the assault
@lethal comet
lethal comet
He was captured by Naomi when Jul was spying on telcam getting his arms
cedar surge
Oh misread
lethal comet
Telcam got his weapons from ONI
lethal comet
Then they made Jul a guinea pig on onyx
They made a 'fatal' crop and livestock disease to wipe out sanghelios by starving them
They tested that on him
But then he blackmailed a huragok into letting him free
Jul's wife and friend thought he was captured by the arbiter
So they took part in the assault on vadam
But died when their ship was shot down
So Jul founded his covenant to awaken the didact and avenge his wife, and his son became pale blade and led the abiding truth after telcam's death
nimble crest
If a precursor was in infinite, what would be its intentions?
west silo
But then he blackmailed a huragok into letting him free
@lethal comet
How did he blackmail a huragok again
nimble crest
A pat on the head and removing the explosives harness
west silo
If a precursor was in infinite, what would be its intentions?
@nimble crest
The only precursors that should be in the games are the flood and we already know there intentions
lethal comet
@lethal comet
How did he blackmail a huragok again
@west silo They had put a huragok explosive harness on him
west silo
A pat on the head and removing the explosives harness
@nimble crest
Why did it have an explosive harness don't only the brutes do that
lethal comet
Then let him roam
nimble crest
That was a joke
lethal comet
If he tried to take it off then he would die
Huragok will rather kill themselves than let forerunner tech come to harm
So he threatened to blow up the teleporters
west silo
If he tried to take it off then he would die
@lethal comet
And how did Jul take it
Off
lethal comet
The huragok who was assigned to him would never let forerunner tech come to harm
west silo
Ohhhhh he threatened to blow up near forerunners things
lethal comet
yes
west silo
Ok that kinda makes sense
lethal comet
Then he went into a random teleporter
nimble crest
Can huragok get infected by the flood? Would they know to stay weary of it?
west silo
But why does the prisoner have on a suicide vest
lethal comet
And conveniently ended up in a keep that worshipped the didact
But why does the prisoner have on a suicide vest
He was allowed to explore onyx
gilded mason
So that he can't escape
west silo
Can huragok get infected by the flood? Would they know to stay weary of it?
@nimble crest
Only by the logic plague
So that he can't escape
@gilded mason.
How did he threatened to blow up if he can't activate it himself
lethal comet
If he tried to take it off it would explode
He could just lift it up and blow up
It was the same harness we see on huragok in halo 3: odst
west silo
Then what if he just decided to take it off near them
It was the same harness we see on huragok in halo 3: odst
@lethal comet
Fun fact 7 huragok tried to take vest off one and they all ended up dying because of how complex it was
lethal comet
That one had a proximity trigger
This one did not
Abd he threatened to blow up near the forerunner tech
No sane huragok would ever let that happen
nimble crest
How long can Spartans canonically hold out in space/ under water
cedar surge
So hundreds of Spartans on the infinity,in one place right
What if a insurrectionists decides to pull a noble team and detonate a slipspace drive at it
west silo
What if a insurrectionists decides to pull a noble team and detonate a slipspace drive at it
@cedar surge
Could they get that far?
west silo
The answer is no
unique rune
How long can Spartans canonically hold out in space/ under water
With or without MJOLNIR?
Because I think MJOLNIR has about 90 minutes of air if they get stuck in space or whatever.
Pretty sure it was 90. I don't remember for sure.
cedar surge
The infinity was dumb enough to pull a suspicious ship onto the infinity
In escalayions
west silo
Of course it's escalations
nimble crest
With
cedar surge
Yea they pulled a entire ship into one of infinite hanhers with a few signs of life
Turns out
It was full of innies
nimble crest
Without I’m assuming not long in a zero air zone
cedar surge
And the ship was set to explode
So yea I would say the infinity would get hit with that bomb
cedar surge
They did when the ship as in the hanger
lethal comet
But innies wouldn't know how to weaponise a slipspace drive
nimble crest
Because they are overtaxed farmers obviously
west silo
Nope lets bring this suspicious ship onto are own ship
lethal comet
A shiva nuke would be enough
cedar surge
Hood was controlling the infinity
Lasky was doing a investigation,so hood was going on test runs with the infinity
west silo
But innies wouldn't know how to weaponise a slipspace drive
@lethal comet
Dude just tinkering with one can cause it to explode
lethal comet
And slipspace drives are too valuable to destroy
cedar surge
Well
west silo
Hood was controlling the infinity
@cedar surge
Soooo hood became an idiot
west silo
And slipspace drives are too valuable to destroy
@lethal comet
There already blowing up the ship whats there to lose
lethal comet
Infinity has plot armor
cedar surge
I mean he was trying to find the SoF
west silo
Everything has plot armor
west silo
Arbiter has some thick plot armor
lethal comet
Foehammer, keyes, miranda keyes, johnson, cortana etc
west silo
Falls down random hole and gets saved so he can see the truth thick
west silo
Foehammer, keyes, miranda keyes, johnson, cortana etc
@lethal comet
Two of those characters died for drama and one was barely a character foehammer actually made me sad
west silo
Foehammer had some plot armor
Though
west silo
Only pilot to nearly survive the entire game
vapid willow
Chief isn't lucky, he just sucks the plot armor of the characters around him, it's amazing Cortana lasted as long as she did.
versed helm
chief's mjilonir is made out of plotanite
gilded mason
Deus ex Machina
candid laurel
With the decrease in population in the UNSC they have to resort to Mechanized workforce that frees up labour for the civilians living in colonies who in turn are able to buy more goods as a result of new tech and knowledge from the Covenant factions
basically the Covenant remanents have opened up new markets for the UNSC
not to mention probably relying on more automated workers as a result of the diminished workforce
the remaining people now have more time to buy things which coupled with the goods and services from the covenant means an economic boom
i'm just guessing here
terse lava
that is actually the best idea I have heard for that
west silo
Anybody know how the unsc got a economic boom?
@cedar surge
Buying a whole lot of coffins
cedar surge
@candid laurel wow
That sounds really good
Also only thing worse than cortana becoming good again is her becoming good and becoming a human
craggy sierra
Tbh most wars are followed by economic booms.
gilded mason
For America in WWII, wasn't that because the US infastructure might as well not been hit?
The UEG lost a huge amount of everything.
lethal comet
Tbh most wars are followed by economic booms.
WW1 disagrees
candid laurel
UEG still had a lot of intact planets left @gilded mason
not to mention after glassing they could've revealed a lot of mineral deposits
versed helm
but how would they break the glass?
and this glass is thicker than a man's head. its like glacial ice, but glass
candid laurel
bro it's glass how do you think you break it
ever trying smashing a window with a hammer
cedar surge
Heck the liang corporation was contracted by the unsc to deglass a couple of planets
And yea mythos said the unsc had a few dozen colonies left
So either in the high 30s or low 80s
Of colonies left
candid laurel
i think low 80s seems more likely
if we go by the assumption of 800 planets pre war
versed helm
Psa, if anyone hasn’t read the halo books I highly recommend. Very good lore and much more graphic than the games make it seem. I’m hoping infinite will be more like them !
candid laurel
i think keeping the gore to the books is better i don't think it gels well with the games and all
it doesn't seem very halo when you see a brute knocking someones head off
versed helm
Yea true , cuz like a marine gets hit with a basic plasma pistol round and a huge gaping hole appears in him lol. I can only hope tho 😪
candid laurel
yeah it's best that be kept in the books a lot of people are already complaining about 343 and Halo last thing they need is for them to have more complaints
versed helm
Vincent u know why the drones disappeared after the events of halo reach then reappear only to disappear again?
candid laurel
no idea
versed helm
I don’t. Just curious
Ik the brutes were hunted to almost extinction (besides the banished)
Who would win , the covies or the galactic empire.... thoughts?
cedar surge
I think they showed up in the rise of atriox
candid laurel
Galactic Empire numbers millions of planets i think we all know the answer
versed helm
The drones were in reach tho
cedar surge
Reach was before the entire trilogy
unique rune
I mean maybe there might not have been any attached to the Fleet of Particular Justice, or Thel chose not to deploy any during the battle of Installation 04.
cedar surge
Also the brutes weren't hunted to extinction
craggy sierra
but how would they break the glass?
A lot of explosives
cedar surge
There are still billions of them
It just that some elites are trying to keep killing all brutes they come across
Also drills
What?
I was specifying
There was only one same word
unique rune
Yeah, and...?
We have an official, canon explanation for why they aren’t involved in 4 and 5.
west silo
There just lazy at home
And don't we see a bunch of drills breaking the glass in halo 5
versed helm
on meridian?
versed helm
O really ? They are just lazy? I didn’t know that
unique rune
no
west silo
They just returned to there home planet
unique rune
After the Covenant fell, the majority of Yanme’e returned to their homeworld of Palamok.
They don’t really get involved in the affairs of other species so the UNSC avoids bothering them
versed helm
O
gilded mason
God, that was such a horrible explanation.
west silo
The floating jelly fish things from odst
versed helm
Yessir
west silo
There still around
west silo
Some are even on the infinity
unique rune
The Huragok just sorta go wherever
west silo
Some are even pirates
unique rune
There’s a bit of grabbing for Huragok from different factions
Mainly the UNSC seemingly
versed helm
the UNSC cause they want forerunner electricians
the banished cause they want forerunner mechanics
and idk bout the SoS
Bruh how cool would another odst game be tho. Only like this time they have you like drop into a rebel insurrection city and like capture a vip leader?
west silo
SOS cause they can barely maintain there stuff
gilded mason
No
versed helm
at this point, innies dont really matter all that much
I know but like still
We don’t get much humans vs humans
ODST dropping into a banished camp might be good
west silo
It could be a prequel
lethal comet
halo is not meant to be human vs human
west silo
I don't know all the humans wars do sound interesting
versed helm
But yet lore exists about it. Hell even John in his early days was sent on a mission
west silo
First strike has an entire chapter about it
unique rune
I feel like human v human conflicts would be much more interesting to read or watch than actually play
versed helm
Now that you say that nova I agree
Makes sense
true that. human v human is already there in stuff like CoD and all that
Halo has its own thing
west silo
I really just want more lore about previous human wars
versed helm
lore about the wars would be dope
I’d love a mission as my boi thel when he’s glassing reach oh boy that would make me ecstatic
What’s y’all s fav missions from halo ce - 3?
Just curious
The covenant from Halo 3
west silo
Halo 3 would be the covenant
unique rune
I’m gonna be honest I remember the ones I hate more than I do any I’d consider favorites
west silo
The library and cortana right
unique rune
pretty much
versed helm
the maw from CE
and the scarab one from 2
I gotta say halo ce- ssault on control room (because u get basically every weapon plus a tank), halo 2- the great journey +uprising, (basically the same mission) because slaying out the brute vermin , halo 3 floodgate ( side by side with my elite brethren slaying the infections )
I love elites so much
lament agate
For me ce-silentcartographer/Assaultonthecontrolroom, 2-greatjourney, 3-the Covenant
lethal comet
ce - silent cartographer, 2 - Metropolis, 3 - The covenant
versed helm
Oh shoot delta halo is awesome too cuz odsts and chief
lethal comet
Regret snipers are the worst
I can handle sniper alley in outskirts but regret snipers straight up 360 no scope you
candid laurel
Yes and their was this room with jackal snipers on one side hunters in the middle and sword elites and drones on the other
Also got stuck on the ferry section having to deal with a banshee and jetoack elites carrying two plasma rifles
Yeah and those jackals too
versed helm
ODST dropping into a banished camp might be good
@versed helm Banished now have an Uber Eats?
versed helm
ding dong
"Hi, I'm from UNSC. I have an order for...Atr-i...At-..Atriox? That how you pronounce it? Atriox? Yeah, I got your order."
rummaging around
"Here you go. One full BR clip. IN THE FACE"
versed helm
I wouldn’t put much faith into an ODST squad getting the drop on a guy who did the same to three spartans and has that weird psychic catching pod infector thing going for him
Also, energy shields and Brute physiology
versed helm
what if they literally drop the pod on him
like, they rain the pods directly in the camp. not behind enemy lines
not near the camp
but right in the middle
a very major element of surprise
lethal comet
You are saying the guy who can kill infectors without even looking isn't gonna dodge objects falling out of the sky
candid laurel
why not just drop an elephant on top of him while were at it
versed helm
actually. orbit drop whatever you can into the camp
the sheer shock and awe will give a major adv to the UNSC
it wont last long, agreed
but while it does
lethal comet
It would be better to target to the methane storage first
versed helm
dropping a pod on that is suicidal
even by ODST standards
they will literally go feet first into h e l l
carmine sleet
If you're going to the point of dropping things on top of Atriox, just use a Mac cannon, no need to waste pods
versed helm
that is also true
versed helm
high banished activity equals atriox, right?
lethal comet
not necessarily
sharp adder
Hmm nuke all of atrioxs territory at the same time
lethal comet
One ship that hasn't had a refit in more than 3 decades can't have that many nukes to spare
cedar surge
I find the whole "species returning to their planet after the covenant fell" thing dumb
lethal comet
I find the whole "species returning to their planet after the covenant fell" thing dumb
The lower species' never got to colonise other worlds
versed helm
cause they got colonised
carmine sleet
It makes sense many would want to go back home, especially those who were fighting on the front lines. Most would be longing for home after fighting for so long
the UNSC doesnt have more NOVAs, right?
They likely do but the Spirit of Fire wouldn't have access to any since it's unlikely they'd keep one on the Ark
versed helm
im wondering why they didnt use any NOVAs in the war for 07
which they lost 167 days ago
carmine sleet
Easy, the ring is too valuable to destroy with a NOVA. And a waste of one too, given that the Autumn's engine blowing up was enough to destroy 04 back in Combat Evolved
cedar surge
The brutes do have more colonies though
sharp adder
Yeah a go a would probably make more pieces
cedar surge
The prophets put a lot of them on resource rich worlds
round comet
why would you use a NOVA to destroy a halo
i think theyd only be used when there is no other option or a way to win
carmine sleet
They are only used when there's no other choice. Which in 2552, was what many thought
Hence why Grey used one
lethal comet
A couple of high yield nukes will be enough for a ring
carmine sleet
You probably don't need multiple nukes
lethal comet
So just one nuke near the control room to disable a halo?
carmine sleet
Doesn't matter where, look at CE, the Autumn's engines blowing up was enough to destroy the ring
carmine sleet
It was refitted with ones that were more standard for the UNSC navy in 2552
It's more than likely most UNSC ships in the post war have similar or better reactors
versed helm
Isn't it kinda strange, though? I mean, in a HCE context it made sense, but nowadays... I'm not so sure? Compare the PoA to any newer UNSC/Covie ship or Forerunner construct. Honestly it doesn't even have to be new. The Pillar of Autumn is a bean compared to a Covenant Supercarrier http://halo.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_scalecomparison/1280.html?display=keyshipscale