From the title its about a marine who fought from harvest to the ark. What's even better is that it has 100 hapters
#lore-and-universe
nimble crest
It’s a cat 2 leader, given abilities to make his own squad
cedar surge
What is cat 2 Spartans?
nimble crest
Spartan IIIs that have the abilities and strength of IIs
cedar surge
So
terse lava
What am I reading here?
cedar surge
Most of them?
nimble crest
No
inner basin
What is cat 2 Spartans?
They have the same gene markers used to scout for Spartan-IIs
cedar surge
Oh
nimble crest
Better said
cedar surge
So what exactly are the correct genetics
inner basin
What am I reading here?
A group of people discussing Halo lore :))
So what exactly are the correct genetics
We don’t really know what they are as far as I’m aware. It was never disclosed from what I can remember
cedar surge
Honestly with how people are I think its a good thing we don't know
inner basin
I think it lends itself creative freedom for fanfic writers. They don’t have to go into too much detail on that
nimble crest
But yeah Jermaine (the leader) is sent on the prototype of the infinity that Cortana mentioned and were being sent to harvest to investigate seismic activities not human in origin. Stop at Ariel while the battle of Ariel is happening. No escorts are provided and it makes a random slip space jump, ends up at a ring.
cedar surge
"Well you see,the correct genetics are ones that are the exact same as ancient Spartans"
What is Jermaine number?
Also
inner basin
Is he/she an Alpha or Beta?
nimble crest
B219
inner basin
Okay, so a Beta
nimble crest
Ye
cedar surge
She got SPI?
cedar surge
I been reading it wrong
nimble crest
Got SPI yes, but was compromised during an op. Replaced with mk5
cedar surge
Wait the infinity got a prototype?
cedar surge
Is the battle of Ariel the battle where thorns parents died
inner basin
Hang on, lemme get a list of my OC Spartan-IIIs;
CPO S-A076
CPO S-A098
POFC S-A142
POFC S-A150
Headhunter S-A216
CPO S-A270
POFC S-B105
and finally,
Headhunter S-G021```Nah Ariel was in late 2551- early 2552
cedar surge
What does the S stand for
inner basin
Yeah, it’s Spartan
inner basin
Sierra is used because it’s the NATO alphabetic word for S
The A denotes that they are from Alpha Company, the B from Beta and likewise the G from Gamma
I did have some experimental stories with Delta company Spartan-IIIs where each had genetic markers to make it into Cat-2 and that ONI took a handful in under their wing and trained them
nimble crest
Nate is a tech head, like kat but jun-like Avas fighting style is like Jorge but acts like Émile
cedar surge
Dumb AI or smart AI
inner basin
Why not have a team AI? Kinda like how DOT is for Noble
nimble crest
That’s what I mean
inner basin
You said assigned to the Ship though
cedar surge
So its a prototype infinity
nimble crest
Because they don’t have mk5 helmets for ai integration, they put it in the main base for UNSC and she communicates with the team from there
Yes
the vanguard
cedar surge
Bunch of other crew?
west silo
Thats pretty big
nimble crest
Not as big as the infinity I believe
west silo
Wouldn't a prowler or corvette be better
Especially since its just for a team of Spartans
nimble crest
Maybe a corvette, but the ship wasn’t classed to the Spartans specifically UNSC was trying to test and field the ship
nimble crest
Was just being used as a form of transportation
Gotta start somewhere
Maybe a corvette would be a better reference but imo the shape of the ship isn’t proportional to the size
Would look condensed
Jermaine uses mk 5 (b)
The helmet atleast
inner basin
Maybe a corvette would be a better reference but imo the shape of the ship isn’t proportional to the size
How about a carrier like the Epoch-class heavy carrier?
nimble crest
Hm
Interesting
I made the ship that big because I need to make it big enough to house the equipment they had onboard
west silo
Isn't that the standard carrier?
inner basin
Well there’s also the Orion-class assault carrier and the Punic-class supercarrier
Both of which are deadly in battle
west silo
Well there’s also the Orion-class assault carrier and the Punic-class supercarrier
@inner basin
Well punics are basically mini infinitys and no idea about the Orion
nimble crest
So how about the story? Too fanfictiony? Any feedback is appreciated
inner basin
@inner basin
Well punics are basically mini infinitys and no idea about the Orion
@west silo Well the Infinity is likely a successor to the Punics (considering both are super carriers) and the Orion-class carriers are all about assault, hence why they are assault carriers lol
west silo
The infinity also kinda looks like a bigger punic as well
nimble crest
And id love to answer some more questions about it
chrome basin
Speaking of story, do you guys believe that Halo has two "canons", the Bungie timeline and the 343 timeline? The Bungie timeline ending with Halo 3 without the final Legendary ending scene, and the 343 timeline continuing up to Infinite? Or do you just keep it all to one canonical timeline?
west silo
No
nimble crest
Not really
west silo
Might as well say there is also a timeline where the covenant won
nimble crest
Not really a timeline if the rings are fired.
unique rune
Seems kinda pointless to make a split like that considering the "Bungie timeline" would just have a bunch of empty space between the end of the Human-Covenant War and stuff like Reach being re-terraformed and the Museum of Humanity.
inner basin
Speaking of story, do you guys believe that Halo has two "canons", the Bungie timeline and the 343 timeline? The Bungie timeline ending with Halo 3 without the final Legendary ending scene, and the 343 timeline continuing up to Infinite? Or do you just keep it all to one canonical timeline?
One canonical timeline... it’s just called the official canon. You can have headcanon if you want to only consider the Bungie era canon and that’s it
chrome basin
I know its officially all one timeline/canon, Im asking if anyone headcanons it
nimble crest
I wish I had forge skills I want to make a cartographer for my map
west silo
Man it's neat that someone recreated a destiny raid map with halo 5 forge
unique rune
Im asking if anyone headcanons it
I'm sure you'll find plenty of people who vehemently refuse to acknowledge 343 era media as canon the same way some of the more annoying SW fans decry the sequel trilogy.
lethal comet
343 era extended universe is way better than bungie era
west silo
Well some of the sequel movies are bad but I get what u mean
lethal comet
Less canonical inconsistencies
chrome basin
Bungie had better music, but I think story wise, 343 probably a little better
west silo
The forerunner trilogy and most of there books are great
nimble crest
And in the story the monitor of the installation assists the humans because they are reclaimers
west silo
Halo 5s story is the only big mistake 343 has really made
lethal comet
Halo 5s story is the only big mistake 343 has really made
Ye
chrome basin
Halo 5, terrible story, but multiplayer could also be better, like adding Elites lol
inner basin
Bungie had better music, but I think story wise, 343 probably a little better
343 fleshed out the world so much and they honestly don’t throw the books to the wayside. Sometimes it felt like Bungie were trying to cause inconsistencies in the canon
lethal comet
Halo 4 had the best story and narration imo
west silo
And in the story the monitor of the installation assists the humans because they are reclaimers
@nimble crest
So when does this take place?
nimble crest
January, 2552
chrome basin
I did enjoy Halo 4 because Chief talked more, I will admit lol
dense pulsar
Why exactly did 343 remove Elites as a playable race?
gilded mason
They previously said that they didn't have time to do it
terse lava
Both companies have their pros and cons really. Bungie wasnt that great at EU stuff for example
west silo
343 fleshed out the world so much and they honestly don’t throw the books to the wayside. Sometimes it felt like Bungie were trying to cause inconsistencies in the canon
@inner basin
I respect 343 for trying to at least fit TFoR into the universe after what bungie did
chrome basin
so 343 was more into canonizing the novels than Bungie?
west silo
January, 2552
@nimble crest
Ohh soo after the war
dense pulsar
Tbf tho, Bungie seemed to be more like a partner than something owned by Microsoft like 343 is
nimble crest
During
lethal comet
And h4 and h5 mp takes place on infinity's training deck
nimble crest
@west silo Before reach
lethal comet
Why would they let elites onto infinity
west silo
@west silo Before reach
@nimble crest
So wait what monitor did they find
terse lava
Because of the alliance
chrome basin
Swords of Sangheilios
unique rune
so 343 was more into canonizing the novels than Bungie?
I’d say it’s more that 343 is just more willing to acknowledge that other Halo media exists and people care about it, versus Bungie’s general attitude of not liking that it existed in the firet place.
Like. Bungie almost had The Fall of Reach cancelled.
gilded mason
Because the UEG works with the SoS
lethal comet
They don't trust elites enough to let them aboard their flagship
gilded mason
It's canon
lethal comet
Did you forget ONI still exists
terse lava
They apparently do at least enough to tolerate it
gilded mason
There's canonically a couple dozen SoS Elites aboard the Infinity
terse lava
Mhm
west silo
Oni isn't above the unsc
nimble crest
405 forlorn intent @west silo
lethal comet
oni has more control than you think
nimble crest
I am open to suggestions I just made that up
inner basin
Yeah I think there is something like 24 SoS Elites on Infinity
gilded mason
Well, it's literally a thing that is happening, so
west silo
oni has more control than you think
@lethal comet
They can limit the elites to come abroad but if the unsc wants them abroad they can't do anything
terse lava
Pretty much
west silo
There a intelligence group not the government
They can only blackmail someone high up or work behind there back
And oni has only done one of these
nimble crest
Anybody want to suggest a good name for a monitor?
inner basin
021-Infinite Patience
terse lava
What's this monitor like?
lethal comet
Hows 035-Eternal Sacrifice
terse lava
Or 2307 Infinite Penance
lethal comet
Most monitor numbers are multiples of 7 ado
nimble crest
Territorial, not like spark, killing Johnson for a ring, inquisitive
Again, is this story too fanficky?
inner basin
I mean you write about what you want to write about. Otherwise it sucks the fun out of it imo
nimble crest
I make a lil reference to fistful of arrows
versed helm
fistful of arrows as in the non canonical book based on reach?
terse lava
Yeah
inner basin
fistful of arrows as in the non canonical book based on reach?
It’s a shame that it isn’t canon tbh. It was such a good book, but I guess it fits into my headcanon
nimble crest
Did the spartan III armor come the way they look, all customized, or were they given creative freedom
inner basin
They were able to choose their sets to suit their strengths and the missions they were sent on
lethal comet
they made field customizations
nimble crest
Aye
severe cargo
Fun fact: each of the halo installation's monitors number is determined by n = (installation # - 1) ^7. For example, (4-1)^7=343, (5-1)^7=2401, etc.
unique rune
000 Tragic Solitude should’ve been 1/7 Tragic Solitude
smh my head 343 fail
severe cargo
Yeah, like how gravemind also has most of its lines be 7 words or syllables, bungie day being 7/7, if they were around for cea they would've made 7 halo games
inner basin
I really don’t understand the obsession with 7, I only know of it being a re-occurring theme in Halo
fringe robin
Seven is the number of completeness and perfection
lethal comet
343 doesnt do 7 references like bungie
inner basin
Well I meant Bungie Halo. I honestly thought it’d be something more personal tbh
unique rune
Bungie just really liked 7 for whatever reason
lethal comet
And do you know Bungie's 7 steps to world domination
nimble crest
I don’t know the 5th one is divorcing Microsoft tho
round comet
wouldve loved to see that unfold.
severe cargo
Bungie day is july 7th and 343 day is march 43rd.
versed helm
bungie isnt doing so well too with activision taking over publishing of destiny and they are planning to make a new non halo franchise by 2025
lethal comet
The bungie now is totally different from halo bungie
craggy sierra
Except not really. Most of the figure heads barring Marty and Joe are still hanging around.
Besides, Deatiny 2 is fine as a game. It had a very dedicated community and Bungie does their part as much as they did in the Halo days to maintain a high level of engagement with them.
versed helm
but destiny is too underwhelming especially when you compare it to halo bungie
the quality isnt that good
craggy sierra
This is comparing apples to oranges
It has amazing quality for world design, enemy designs, and PvE gameplay mechanics.
All that’s underwhelming is some story aspects which they have been getting better with over time.
For a shooter MMO it’s one of the best I’d say.
round comet
i love destiny 2.
craggy sierra
If you’re comparing it on aspects like capacity to tell a good linear story or cohesive PvP experience then no duh you’re gonna find it underwhelming. You’re expecting something I don’t even think the take fully had on its agenda.
fair hazel
im definitely not into the destiny universe
craggy sierra
Story-wise neither am I. I’m pretty sure more of the people who play it aren’t than are.
But I can’t say that’s high on my expectation list for looter-shooter MMO’s either.
Especially on PC where I reside. We never even got the entire first game.
candid laurel
Unpopular opinion halo infinite should be a loot shooter
craggy sierra
no
lethal comet
No
west silo
What no
terse lava
Heresy
last anchor
Think we're a bit to far into things for THAT change. Wouldnt mind one in like a decade tho
unique rune
Well, that... was quickly shown to be an unpopular opinion.
dense pulsar
How many spartans would it take to do what Master Chief does in Halo 1?
unique rune
With Cortana’s support, probably just one.
terse lava
Without Cortana, pretty much none, as she saved chief from becoming a combat form
unique rune
Alternatively they set off the Halo Array because Cortana isn’t there to tell them “hey this thing isn’t quite what Guilty Spark has convinced you it is”.
last anchor
To be honest mostly they could all have done it, just...with various degrees of adjustment.
Kelly would be faster, and be all over the ring like a rabbit on speed boosts.
Linda would make Truth and Reconciliation look like a JOKE and basically just one-shot everything in the Library.
And Fred...probably would just go around stabbing things. Not a single shot used, just endless bouts of CQC until he reaches the Library and then its shotgun time
Sam?
Punches things. Seriously JoJo level fisticufs here, Im talking "yeet a Hunter off the cliff with his bare hands" punchin
last anchor
I know, but this is all hypothetical. Linda was quite obviously clinically dead and in spess throughout all of Alpha Halo.
Kelly and Fred were stuck on Reach.
candid laurel
Which halo spartan was the best driver
gilded mason
Kat
lethal comet
Kat
candid laurel
Lmao
last anchor
I dont actually think we had a best pilot that I remember. Anyone?
terse lava
Some random hornet pilot
stiff creek
At this point, I'd bet Chief.
Now that I think about it, Palmer wasn't that bad in the Pelican.
Mickey is probably a pretty good pilot.
versed helm
FoeHammer was the best
terse lava
They can, yes
inner basin
Not just ODSTs though. All members from each branch of the UNSC can become a Spartan-IV by getting recommended to the program by a higher up for doing something noteworthy
lethal comet
Or nepotism
inner basin
Nepotism wouldn’t work for becoming a Spartan-IV
lethal comet
His father and grandfather were generals
He was an average marine with no remarkable abilities
inner basin
Yeah I know, I read the Halopedia article just now. To take note, it said he had an undistinguished career as a Marine
inner basin
I mean he isn’t too bad with a Sniper
versed helm
guys do you know anything about jai 006 i cant seem to find out enoguh about him except that he was in grey team
carmine sleet
Halopedia has a page on him
cedar surge
Yea letting a random marine who hasn't really done something special into the Spartan program seems a bad idea
Because now through this way its way easier to get a traitor in
versed helm
what if jai had killed thel during their encounter it would ve had a completely different outcome of the halo universe
cedar surge
Dead universe
versed helm
halo wouldnt continue
just coz of one spartan's mistake
we got thel vadam the arbiter
btw do you think that chief will meet red team in infinite
inner basin
Probably not because Red Team and the SoF are basically stranded at the Ark
prisma root
are the San'Shyuum species extinct?
prisma root
out where?
inner basin
In the Universe
prisma root
is it confirmed?
inner basin
Well not all of the San’Shyuum left their home planet
prisma root
they left the homeplanet
inner basin
I don’t think it’s been confirmed that they died
prisma root
their planet suffered some kinda trouble right?
inner basin
No... I don’t believe so
prisma root
wait
inner basin
You could be thinking of the Grunts home planet (that is rather quite hostile) since their society collapsed
prisma root
Contemporary San'Shyuum civilization developed on a planet rich in artifacts left behind by the Forerunners, whom the Covenant would later revere as gods. Prophets derived their legitimacy as leaders as well as their colloquial names from this connection. The San'Shyuum of the Covenant originated from the Reformists, a radical faction that believed Forerunner technology should be deeply analyzed and fled Janjur Qom aboard the Forerunner Dreadnought after a lengthy civil war. According to the San'Shyuum, their homeworld was later allegedly destroyed in 648 BCE as the result of a natural stellar collapse. Because of this, they elected to make their home on the mobile planetoid station High Charity, powered by the Dreadnought.
prisma root
how can anyone survive a stellar collapse?
inner basin
Do you understand what allegedly means?
inner basin
It basically means a claim with no evidence. If we’ve learnt anything from the Prophets and San’Shyuum in Halo is that they lie and manipulate
prisma root
according to the san shyuum their homeworld was destroyed by a stellar collapse
they dont know how
but it was destroyed
i know what allegedly means
that's not the topic here
wtv the reason may be
their planet was destroyed
inner basin
The San'Shyuum later claimed to the rest of the Covenant that Janjur Qom was destroyed when its star allegedly collapsed upon itself in 648 BCE.
They claimed it was with no evidence
prisma root
so janjur qom is still there?
lethal comet
Do you think the sangheili would would have liked to know that there were san shyuum who shared their original faith
inner basin
so janjur qom is still there?
Possibly
versed helm
ancient san shyuum were wiped due to the activation of a ring but still many san shyuum live in the universe
prisma root
The San'Shyuum later claimed to the rest of the Covenant that Janjur Qom was destroyed when its star allegedly collapsed upon itself in 648 BCE.
@inner basin your source? i want to read more.
lethal comet
if the elites knew that the stoics were against the use of forerunner artifacts, whose side would they have picked
stoics or reformists
The answer is pretty simple
prisma root
ancient san shyuum were wiped due to the activation of a ring but still many san shyuum live in the universe
@versed helm are you sure that's true?
lethal comet
Thats why janjur qoom "allegedly" blew up
prisma root
i did google search and it said could not find results related
inner basin
Most people who use Sanghelli names opt for ones they made up, except Usze here. That’s one of the canon characters you can play as in co-op in Halo 3. I think he’s the 3rd playable character
versed helm
its obviously a made up name
terse lava
on the topic of the san'shyuum homeworld, if I recall it was even mentioned those in the Covenant were doubtful of the eyes when it was announced
jolly furnace
Janjur Qom may or may not still exist. Unknown right now
lethal comet
It probably does tbh
dense pulsar
What would change about the events of Halo 1 if Grey Team was there?
west silo
Is cortana still there?
west silo
Then nothing changes really
round comet
...hmm?
west silo
Maybe one of them goes with Keyes and would be able to make sure that everyone that isn't Johnson gets numed
round comet
oh
now i see
What would change about the events of Halo 1 if Grey Team was there?
instead of chief?
nothing much. stuff will still go the way it did in CE mostly.
nimble crest
What if 6 was on the autumn and Chief
carmine sleet
If Grey were there alongside Chief, it's likely they'd have been deployed to run operations elsewhere before eventually regrouping with Chief either on the Truth and Reconciliation when you go after Keyes or when Chief goes to blow up the Autumn
terse lava
Truthfully they would likely doom the galaxy somehow. Compromise a covenant ship later nabbed by the flood
Actually just realized. With 3 demons running around, I almost wonder if Thel would regain full control of the fleet rather then being forced to bicker with stewardship
cedar surge
Also if halo was to be reset like you said,that would make the entire first halo trilogy non canon
Which would make a lot of people mad
terse lava
Hm? Who said anything about it being reset
nimble crest
Is it weird having two Spartans wearing the same helmet in the cutscenes of reach? Does anyone else get that?
cedar surge
@terse lava there was a person two or 3 days ago who talked about the halo universe being too big and or overlapping so its likely the games and universe are going to be reset
terse lava
They arent going to be reset
cedar surge
They said the fact that unless Spartans exist the universe falls apart is a fault of this which is a good reason why it should be reset
nimble crest
Wait, what are you guys talking about 😂
cedar surge
Bout the guy who said halo should be reset
round comet
there was a person two or 3 days ago who talked about the halo universe being too big and or overlapping so its likely the games and universe are going to be reset
thats dumb lol.
"too big", "too overlapping"
terse lava
Seems childish to me
cedar surge
Not only would it destroy 20 years of lore,it would also anger everybody who liked the halo games,from the bungie games to the 343 ones
All your favorite characters? Gone
Hey thanks writers for writing halo for 20 years,but all your stuff is non canon. Now
In this everybody loses
He also pointed out that it would allow chief to act like how he always was in the books
round comet
that happened to SW lol
cedar surge
Which is strange
At least in star wars the movies got kept canon
All of the movies
round comet
except in SW the movies are canon yeah
cedar surge
Here he is saying the games would be declared non canon too
343 is already on thin ice with some of the community
round comet
ah yes the big brain 343 bad peoples
nimble crest
Everyone does dumb stuff
343 cares about halo, even if they express it in strange ways
round comet
the way i see it, 343 did a few bad things which are
- halo 5's campaign was mediocre
- 72 hours
- what they did to the didact ok wait thats 72 hours
cedar surge
A nitpick of mine is how some new unsc ships look like
But just a nitpick
The unsc infinity looks like a more advanced Punic though
lean quartz
I get what you mean, I'm a big fan of the bungie designs of the weapons and armour myself, the 343i ones havent particularly wowed me yet, but I could just be full nostalgia mode there
round comet
oh yeah i forgot to include
4) art style
cedar surge
Yea but the halo wars stuff they made is really cool
lean quartz
Oh for sure, the stuff with the banished and all that, top tier stuff
terse lava
Eh so long as the sangheili were around I could live with it
round comet
ulamee, wanna add to the list?
terse lava
Pardon?
round comet
- halo 5's campaign was mediocre
- 72 hours
- what they did to the didact ok wait thats 72 hours
and 4) art style
where 343 went wrong ^
terse lava
Lack of playable sangheili
round comet
ok thats fair
lean quartz
I think a lot of my complaints for 343i's stuff are really minor things, nothing that'll properly detract from my own experience besides 5's campaign, I'm admittedly new to 343's lore, used to read the books when bungie made the games but im hella rusty
cedar surge
If everything got reset so would your elite lore @terse lava
terse lava
It's my #1 problem with them
lean quartz
Sangheili customisation would be so cool
lean quartz
Elites on a low carb diet going forward
round comet
the elites in halo 5 were hunchbacks lmfao
lean quartz
Jackals be looking like sticks over here lol
round comet
i love everything about infinite so far
cedar surge
Yea
round comet
#651594850042511365 @agile plover
agile plover
I changed it thank you
lean quartz
The music that I've heard is hella nice
agile plover
Accident
cedar surge
But people on the subreddit were complaining that the enemies in the trailer didn't look like banished. And now are complaining that jega doesn't look covenant
I think they just like to complain
Oh hey
If elites are ppayable
Robot arms
I hope the banished have their own ranking system
lean quartz
Yeah, I think nobody is ever gonna be properly satisfied unfortunately
Be cool if there was a guild style system with a big meta game thing for that perhaps
round comet
But people on the subreddit were complaining that the enemies in the trailer didn't look like banished. And now are complaining that jega doesn't look covenant
ur first mistake is listening to what halo fans on the internet have to say, the second mistake is out of all places you go to reddit.
lean quartz
Seconded, I use reddit every day but its trash
In a good way sometimes
But mostly trash
round comet
indeed.
cedar surge
Seriuosly. People were complaining that a elite from the banished,who usually have blocky armor and weapons, doesn't look covenant
round comet
bruh.
terse lava
Fools
native grove
halo is halo
cedar surge
I think they can't just get away from the covenant
round comet
reddit.
cedar surge
Heck when I was new to halo I asked a lore question on the subreddit and they told me to go to halo story
Also
Elites overated.
Brutes stomp
round comet
halostory is calmer.
cedar surge
Yea I prefer halo story
round comet
but still full of people who think they know a lot,
lean quartz
Playable brutes would be so nice @cedar surge
round comet
not to mention, bad writers.
stable flower
Anyone else hate how Johnson is never mentioned in post-war media?
cedar surge
Yea there are ssone people who make asssumptions without looking it up
round comet
Anyone else hate how Johnson is never mentioned in post-war media?
no.
nimble crest
I mean, what they gonna say about it
cedar surge
Like the people who assumed that the unsc only had the warthog,scorpion,falcon,elephant,mongoose, and hornets
nimble crest
Don’t soil him
round comet
even in halostory there is a lot of big brain yeah.
cedar surge
Well there are a bunch of smart alecks there
round comet
certainly.
stable flower
He survived the whole war, witnessed the first AND last casualties, and he gets lasered by a rampant lightbulb.
cedar surge
But it is a good place to talk about lore
round comet
there are still people who go "halo 4 and5 non-canon bring flood baaaack"
nimble crest
I want more drive-able vehicles, vultures, phantoms, pelicans, etc
cedar surge
Except for the guy who said halo 4 should have been 2 milleniums later
nimble crest
So did arbiter, and he didn’t get a bro moment with chief
terse lava
Weird
round comet
He survived the whole war, witnessed the first AND last casualties, and he gets lasered by a rampant lightbulb.
ok, and?
cedar surge
So?
terse lava
Yeah nothing really to add to Johnson's story
nimble crest
Only way to add to it is contact harvest video game
stable flower
And... he was forgotten about.
cedar surge
He is dead
cedar surge
What can he do now?
stable flower
Plus, ATN nullifies everything we did at the end of Halo 3, so it's even more tragic.
cedar surge
He is ashes on a halo ring
terse lava
I never see anything on miranda or keyes, or Silva, or Noga, or Xytan
nimble crest
How many Spartans were forgotten? ODSTs? How many died in the war?
terse lava
Well really, a half finished halo was never going to kill the flood
terse lava
That was stupid on our parts to think that
cedar surge
She didn't like her mother
west silo
I never see anything on miranda or keyes, or Silva, or Noga, or Xytan
@terse lava
Those last 2 definitely need some love
unique rune
The galaxy is a really big place and lots of individuals were involved in the War.
Maybe 117 or 'Vadam could make a minor reference to something he said at some point, but, like.
He was such a minor element in the war in the grand scheme of things that it's not strange that he hasn't ever been mentioned since.
cedar surge
Did a cool thing on a science ship
stable flower
I have mixed feelings though.
round comet
oh, johnson? id like him more if he was an actual character and not essential comic relief :)
terse lava
I agree, Xytan does need some love
stable flower
Johnson was being a d-bag to Spark the whole time
nimble crest
Spark was a baby about the ring.
fair hazel
Miranda being in tv show
terse lava
It was his charge to take care of
west silo
Well spark did kinda not do anything to help during CE
nimble crest
When is that coming out again
terse lava
His problem was he didnt provide any alternative to Johnson
west silo
And then was gonna kill the humans on the ring
nimble crest
Wasn’t the original warthog run gonna be a pelican?
round comet
oh, johnson? id like him more if he was an actual character and not essential comic relief :)
he was still fun btw
gilded mason
I agree, Xytan does need some love
If Xytan does get more stuff, I hope it paints him as a more agreeable sort that would have been open to new ideas and change.
fair hazel
And the books thankfully expand on Johnson. Even in silent storm yay
nimble crest
He almost shot down the PoA in CE
round comet
And the books thankfully expand on Johnson. Even in silent storm yay
YES.
terse lava
Or perhaps, the opposite of Thel, a reason he became more stubborn@gilded mason
round comet
see now we're talkin
west silo
I like slient storm Johnson a lot he's provides comedic relief while also being a BA
gilded mason
@terse lava
I say that mainly to oppose the line of thinking that "He's got the biggest fleet of elites ever and every elite would follow him if he was alive and not Thel and they would relentlessly hunt humanity no matter what so of course all elites are evil and it's a good thing to genocide them." 😋
round comet
im secretly thel
gilded mason
Nice
round comet
true story
nimble crest
I’m secretly Keyes brother, locks
west silo
Ha
round comet
nice to meet u
nimble crest
Nice to meet ya
feral perch
Wouldn’t it be Lockes?
scarlet frost
Who thinks you can survive argumentation ?
gilded mason
Nope
unique rune
Pfft. I wouldn't survive any form of military training, let alone Spartan augs.
scarlet frost
Ohh jeje very difficult process
nimble crest
Nope
scarlet frost
Spartan 5s are not so difficult to become
nimble crest
4s?
feral perch
hwat
cedar surge
Nope
scarlet frost
Yeah 4s i mean
cedar surge
I think the IVs got their muscles ripped off and get new ones
nimble crest
Ugh I don’t want to think about that
scarlet frost
Bur dr halseys work saved the world
cedar surge
Halsey didn't do IVs
nimble crest
She didn’t do IIIs
cedar surge
@scarlet frost halsey only did the Spartan twos
ure very other generation was by as different program
scarlet frost
Yess ik but i mean that her work saved the human race
nimble crest
IIIs were made by Halseys rival, and I think Halsey had atleast something to do with 4s
feral perch
Nah
scarlet frost
4s got their muscles riped fr ?
nimble crest
@feral perch nah to which part
feral perch
Halsey didn’t have anything to do with S-IVs
cedar surge
Does jun really see it as a good thing that a bunch of Spartan IVs are willing to betray the unsc?
Showing they have free choice
unique rune
4s got their muscles riped fr ?
No, they didn't. Some muscle grafts are involved but they're mainly just treated to boost their growth and make them stronger. But I'd argue that Project ORCHID's modifications are still much more intensive than its predecessors. ASTER's were much more high-risk resulting in the high mortality rate of the Spartan-II program, but Spartan-IVs have almost all of their internal organs replaced with improved, fabricated equivalents or otherwise enhanced, on top of augmentations functionally comparable to previous generations.
tame belfry
They're like Frankenstein's super soldier
unique rune
Yeah, basically.
None of the Spartan-IVs do, presumably.
Or at least they're modified from their original state if not replaced outright.
cedar surge
So the deformed spartan 2 could have waited until after the war to get fixed?
Actually did he die during the battle of reach?
versed helm
Who buck?
unique rune
Soren-066?
I don't think we really know about his status after going MIA.
He's supposed to be involved in the upcoming TV series, so I'd imagine we'll see just what exactly he's been up to after that whole incident.
Man. Remember when the TV show was supposed to launch alongside Halo 5?
Fun times.
gilded mason
Oh god, I remember that.
unique rune
Now it's set for... 2021.
Maybe they should push it back another two years so it can go on air on the 10th anniversary of its announcement.
cedar surge
The show been announced for 10 years?
Its just like the movie then
I hope the show will be like star wars the clone wars. Where it shows dealings,combat,politics and both sides
And the clone wars got away with showing gruesome stuff
dense pulsar
Kurosawa-type film about wandering Elite warrior and his grunt companion
versed helm
that'd be dope
cedar surge
Lord hood does like overstating stuff
The fleet at reach was 10 times this size
You glassed half of africa
Also couldn't have Sedona transmitted where the Phoenix was going to hood's ship before going?
fair hazel
She did
nimble crest
Where’d he go doe
nimble crest
No about the prelates
cedar surge
Augmented prophets
That are warriors
Oh it says on their page the banished have thrall colonies
dense pulsar
Thralls?
carmine sleet
Rabid grunts
cedar surge
So did the unsc give other outer colonies the harvest treatment? Like fighting 5 years for it?
Or extended campaign
Harvest was just the breadbasket of the unsc
cedar surge
So how good is h u manities communication is now?
candid laurel
They probably wouldve but i think covenant rather just glass the olanet from orbit than commit ground troops
I read that they got some kind of slipspace internet that is used by the navy
last anchor
Waypoints intercolonial
cedar surge
Is waypoint a post war thing?
Like after finally being able to make a reliable intergalactic internet
terse lava
Think they had it before
cedar surge
I find it funny that hotay has a much bigger halopedia page than some other characters
last anchor
(Shrug)
nimble crest
How widespread was the use of (b)? Was it specific to cat 2?
lethal comet
The (B) were used by IIs as well
Fred had a mk IV (B)
Mk VII heavily resembles the (B)
cedar surge
Is there just a on I base on every colo
inner basin
Mk VII heavily resembles the (B)
But it also has nanomachines so Naomi obviously wanted it to look like B-class Mjolnir
sharp adder
Unsc also had massive bukers on inner coliies to survive bombardments
humble yacht
but Black Team was black
carmine sleet
Grey Team also wore Grey too
Maybe Red and Blue teams just didn't get the memo about colour coded armour, am I right? At least the Blood Gulch Crew tried to coordinate their colours /s
lethal comet
Green team was kinda green
carmine sleet
Blob, ew, digusting
sharp adder
It was a joke
lethal comet
What'd he do
sharp adder
I could have gotten worse but didn't oh i had so many thing Bout the coulurs i didn't say i
I said a really bad joke
carmine sleet
I'll DM you, Usze
sharp adder
Im superseded i got a warning for it
carmine sleet
Maybe now's a good time to move on
round comet
indeed.
lethal comet
Where was tragic solitude during battle of the ark
carmine sleet
Staying out of the way, he didn't care enough about the conflict until Chief damaged the Ark when Installation 08 fired
lethal comet
So he didn't think of both spark and mendicant as threats
west loom
what does the covenant eat normally?
lethal comet
what does the covenant eat normally?
Grunts eat some formula from nipples
Elites eat grains and meats like humans
Brutes eat meat mostly and will eat any species when they ae hungry
west loom
what about hunters and san shyuum?
lethal comet
jackals eat fruits and meats
Hunters eat rocks or anything that has minerals and nutrients
We don't know much about san shyuum
west loom
well
cool thanks
lethal comet
San shyuum eating habits are probably like humans
lethal comet
His viewers are too loyal to him
round comet
...what the hell are "logic plague seeds"
and how do you "activate the logic plague seeds"
does this guy know what the logic plague is
or does he think its some sort of time bomb
round comet
wow.
oh hey he also doesnt know that the domain was severely damaged
after the halos were fired
bruh.
cedar surge
Are you talking about halo follower or xperia
round comet
xperia
cedar surge
Should a known
round comet
pale zephyr
I C O N I C
round comet
i hate that word.
lethal comet
Why dont you ping him and say that caboose
lethal comet
Look at the comments on that vid
pale zephyr
I think you're boiling things down way too much
lethal comet
The commenters think this is a great idea and 343 should take notes
lethal comet
343 Does a way better job than people say
round comet
i prefer 343 over bungo,
lethal comet
Bungo fanboys are the problem
round comet
the way i see it, 343 did a few bad things which are
- halo 5's campaign was mediocre
- 72 hours
- what they did to the didact ok wait thats 72 hours
lethal comet
They had a great idea just poor execution
round comet
bungo fanboys, you mean a major chunk of the halo fanbase?
because apparently reach is good but halo4 is bad (narrative wise)
lethal comet
The only game in the reclaimer saga that felt true to the reclaimer theme is h4
round comet
ehhh i guess.
pale zephyr
Halo 4 was well written and directed tbh. Though I never got the whole chief/cortana relationship idea.
They only really worked together for like..6 months?
round comet
so?
its not like either of them had loads of friends with them during all that time.
round comet
eh.
pale zephyr
I can getr them being partners and having a bunch of sass and banter.
But I never thought that losing her would break chief up like it did?
round comet
he is emotionally unstable, and like i said he didnt really have anyone else.
cedar surge
Most people think they have great ideas when they are actually mediocre
round comet
i see what you are trying to say though.
cedar surge
Also in halo 3 guilty spark shot a marine and that marine lived
pale zephyr
Nah, I get that.
lethal comet
And cortana felt sympathetic towards spartans
pale zephyr
I just don't see such a deep bond forming over 4 months of actual time workjing together.
lethal comet
She wanted to end the war so chief would never have to go through pain again
round comet
okay i finished that video and bruh that was awful now on to the next video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNU2ZeAi-Vw this should be interesting too
lethal comet
Thats kind of why she took the mantle
cedar surge
If cortana had the logic plague wouldnt she just unleash the flood on everybody already?
lethal comet
No more war
pale zephyr
Now, cortana being a little possesive over chief, especially after 4 years alone with him in cryo?
I can see that.
round comet
okay i finished that video and bruh that was awful now on to the next video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNU2ZeAi-Vw this should be interesting too
apparently he has proof that she has logic plague, in this ^ video.
pale zephyr
The logic plague essentially tortures an AI until they start working with the flood.
Canonically, the gravemind did use it on cortana. But she was saved by chief in H3 before it could break her.
cedar surge
Ugh the comments
round comet
YEAH LMAO
pale zephyr
Though iirc she was pretty badly damaged by it.
round comet
jesus
Canonically, the gravemind did use it on cortana. But she was saved by chief in H3 before it could break her.
nah.
ok, maybe.
cedar surge
Saying t that they knew all along and 343 had to catch up
round comet
pale zephyr
I'm psure it was mentioned in one of the books.
lethal comet
He forced the location of earth and the ark out of her
cedar surge
They really do think they are that important and smart huh
Hey wait
When was tales from slipspace come out?
round comet
The Logic Plague is pretty much just a series of logical arguments in favor of the Flood. It's basically an advanced form of manipulation, made possible through the combined intelligence of all living Flood. It's not even an AI-exclusive thing, the Ur-Didact fell victim to Logic Plague as well. And the goal wasn't always to completely convert its victims, but rather to get them to act in a certain way or do a specific thing.
cortana after her time with the gravemind cannot have the logic plague because the first thing she did after being rescued is HARM the flood, which directly opposes the idea of the logic plague which is to HELP the flood in their motives.
We saw what Cortana went through at the hands of the Gravemind first hand, and it certainly effected her. Aside from the usual arguments, he tortured her, made her experience pain, made her relive the memories of Flood victims. His goal was never to turn her to his side, it was merely to get her to break and reveal what she had been hiding. You're completely right in saying that she didn't get away completely free, but the effects of her time with the Gravemind likely merely advanced her rampancy (which was, in fact, the Gravemind's goal, he was planning to take advantage of her matrix's shortcomings and overload her with extreme amounts of data to onset rampancy). Her experiences would manifest in the form of PTSD, not infection. In a way, her every action following Halo 3 is a result of her time with the gravemind, but only in the sense that it helped to onset her Rampancy.
this is the only correct explanation.
cedar surge
Because it answers why cortana is acting like she is in 5
lethal comet
The logic plague took 41 years to convert Mendicant
round comet
43
cedar surge
So that means the explanation was already out,just that he refused to accept it
lethal comet
right
pale zephyr
Mendicant was a much more powerful AI than cortana however.
round comet
that matters?
pale zephyr
Of course..?
Cortana is basically a calculator compared to a contender class ancilla.
round comet
logic plague like i said is not some virus, its a form of manipulation.
cedar surge
And they all are saying the flood are for sure going to be in infinite
lethal comet
Cortana did come close to her breaking point but the logic plague did not get to cortana
round comet
how powerful the AI is, doesnt really matter that much.
wait did yall read what i copy pasted
lethal comet
And they all are saying the flood are for sure going to be in infinite
Zeta was like the flood hq in primordium
cedar surge
That's where I know I put my foot to far
round comet
i can actually copy paste some more stuff, regarding why-flood-no-in-infinite
pale zephyr
Honestly, I used to really love xperia, but his lore vids are slowly becoming more and more..halofollower
cedar surge
Yea
pale zephyr
More madcap theories than actual lore
cedar surge
Actual lore is tutning into speculation
pale zephyr
Also he's WAAAAY too fixated on sprint..
lethal comet
That's what not having new media does to them
cedar surge
And I hate how his fan base are acting like they are hearing the word of God
round comet
he is obsessed with flood and the logic plague theory is one of the worst theories i have ever listened to.
ever.
pale zephyr
He's become one of the sprint = halo dead guys
lethal comet
Xperia will be alright for a month or two when Shadows of reach comes out
pale zephyr
And its so dumb
cedar surge
"Oh yea 343 bad but if they do this really great thing(terrible theory) then they good
round comet
yep.
cedar surge
I mean didn't he throw down his headphones when he saw sprint in infinite?
pale zephyr
Well, at least he's still a MUCH more reliable source of content than halofollower.
Or 343shill
sorry i mean greenskull
lethal comet
Has he made a theory video on jega yet
cedar surge
Yea
pale zephyr
I swear, Greenskull only ever posts a video when 343 or MS are sponsering it
lethal comet
How much made up stuff did he say about jega
lethal comet
The section on jega definitely isnt 10 minutes
lethal comet
Still can't believe how many people call him jenga
pale zephyr
It's easier to remember tbh
We have craig, now Jenga
Also that mk. VII armour has me salivating dfkhjdsn
cedar surge
Stops talking about the canon fodder stuff at 7 nearly 8 minutes
And starts making ideas
Actually at 9
lethal comet
And those ideas don't have any backing right
pale zephyr
Xperia has always been one to theorize, but I think the content drought is really startiung to starve him of good thoughts lol
round comet
oh so apparently this guy thinks that the words of a prophet, one of the guys who believed in the great journey and that forerunners became gods after firing halos, mean that cortana logic plague = confirmed
and im sorry how exactly does a prophet know of the logic plague?
pale zephyr
Next video: THE PILOT IS MENDICANT BIAS 100% PROOF!!!
lethal comet
He thinks of logic plague as a disease or parasite
pale zephyr
I think he remembered the librarian mentioning the Geas seeds and thought it sounded cool
lethal comet
there is no such thing as geas seeds
round comet
geas "seeds"
pale zephyr
I know, but she literally said "The seeds we planted"
round comet
you mean personality imprints?
pale zephyr
I think he took it literally
round comet
OH
lethal comet
That was a metaphor
round comet
right
pale zephyr
I KNOW
round comet
I think he took it literally
yep lmao
pale zephyr
xczvkljbndfzvkvbjhdf
cedar surge
What's with him and seeds
pale zephyr
He's hungry :<
round comet
food
lethal comet
He has been infected by the gravemind
cedar surge
This theory is almost as bad as generations tech video on the unsc
pale zephyr
Generation tech lol
cedar surge
my pain as a unsc bias person when I watch them parade false information
pale zephyr
Once we get more actual news and content drops, xperia will improve. I know it.
He's never really made bad videos, but he's really got nothing to work with rn.
versed helm
he did cover jega pretty well
cedar surge
Still
pale zephyr
He's trying to hard to keep his upload schedule, but its making him reaaaaally reach
round comet
He's never really made bad videos, but he's really got nothing to work with rn.
i just watched two of his vids, and they were awful.
cedar surge
Nothing matches halo follower
lethal comet
He has been starved of new lore
pale zephyr
^
cedar surge
Also xperia's fans treats his words as gospel
pale zephyr
That too.
lethal comet
There hadn't been a canon fodder in 4 months
cedar surge
So any wrong information or bad theory
lethal comet
No new media this year
cedar surge
They take as truth
I swear anytime a AI does sometjing strange there will be a bunch of people swarming "LOGIC PLAUGE LOGIC PLAUGE"
round comet
"If Cortana has the logic plague in Halo 6, it makes the original trilogy have even more purpose in the new Halos. I love how events that happened in the old trilogy are having effects in the new Halos"
what did i just read.
cedar surge
How
cedar surge
How does it give the originAl trilogy more purpose
lethal comet
Why do people confuse rampancy with logic plague
round comet
"I really hope 343 uses this to make Halo 6 a great game and can fix where Halo 5 went wrong. Because if this is the case, this brings EVERYTHING together in these past 2 games. Why Cortana "died" and the librarian's stuff in Halo 4, the madness of Cortana in Halo 5, and even her behavior in the original trilogy. I feel like Captain Keys even could have foreshadowed this in the very first mission when he speaks of the consequences of letting an AI into enemy hands. Of course, it wasn't the Covenant that got Cortana like Keys was originally thinking of, but a worse enemy... The flood."
what is this.
cedar surge
Because its the best they can theorize
unique rune
Because people are grasping at every little straw that might lead to the return of their beloved Flood
I still hate fighting the Flood more than I do Prometheans so I don't think I'll ever understand why people insist on their return.
round comet
all this and the flood for infinite will make me quit halo lmao.
cedar surge
Ok these people are really saying some dumb stuff
lethal comet
I am all for more factions
cedar surge
The reason why cortana can't fall into enemy hands is because they will find earth
lethal comet
But the flood wouldnt be a great choice now that I consider that Infinite is going to be open world
round comet
"I'm hoping there's a scene in Halo 6 where Chief is in the middle of a battle between The Covenant and Prometheans, only for everyone to stop and look at where Cortana is, controlled by Gravemind. He would say "I am a monument to all your sins", then release thousands of Flood forms and attack everyone.".
proof that halo fans are awful writers.
lethal comet
Flood will not work with open world
cedar surge
No wonder why people hate halo's fanbase
round comet
"well I am glad to know cortana is infected by the logic plague (because it would be stupid if she didn't) but since this is close evidence she does have it I just hope some people would understand what it is."
the self awareness here...
cedar surge
I think most of the people in his videos have never gone into the actual lore
lethal comet
I want to throw a copy of primordium at them now
cedar surge
I think most of the people there are just bungies followers who blame everything bad on 343 and never actually gone into the lore
So they lap up everything he says
round comet
the comments certainly make that seem to be the case, lol.
"What if this was the primordials plan the whole time, they would become a plague for the whole world and wait until that moment they see potential in an A.I to get the mantle, which was created by the primordials, they'll use cortana, to use the mantles power to become primordials yet again, because there gravemind remembers everything from every Gravemind before it, so it could of kept this plan for years since the beginning of time. And since it has so much wisdom they probably could foretell what has happened from the beginning."
i need to stop reading yt comments.
cedar surge
Halo fans seem to have a thing wjere they think they know everything by playing the games and watching a few lore videos
lethal comet
They forget that bungie never cared about the extended lore
cedar surge
Yea bungies would rather burn the EU to the ground just to have only their games canon
round comet
"Created in on Instillation 07 for unknown reasons, Chief finds Mendicant Bias who reveals the Logic Plague (and gives Chief hope he can save Cortana) and the Flood (This moment just NEEDS the Flood theme to kick in). Cortana intends to free the Flood and use the guardians to prevent any organic resistance as they infect the galaxy.
It ties all of Halo together. Ultimately, throughout it all, the Flood remain the true primary antagonists of the franchise."
i swear, this is the last one im posting here.
lethal comet
343 has done a great job of fixing the canonical inconsistenies caused by bungo
versed helm
bungo
round comet
sadly reach was not good enough to be saved,
cedar surge
Reading these is just plain painful
round comet
lethal comet
They tried at least
But reach and fall of reach are too much out of alignment
But one thing I truly want is a reference to Johnson's final words
"Never let her go"
cedar surge
And the worst part is
lethal comet
Or "When I make a promise, I keep it"
cedar surge
I seen people say that if we don't get to save cortana halo will be Dead
dense pulsar
I feel like the "monument to all your sins" works best really for Halsey more than it would Chief
cedar surge
And then they say everybody will just forgive cortana because "unsc corrupt lol"
dense pulsar
Oh please god no
I think its kinda dumb they're like "the elites killed billions of us but not lets leverage that politically when asking for war reparations"
lethal comet
ONI never forgets at least
dense pulsar
If I was the UNSC, I'd probably be issuing unfair treaties left and right
cedar surge
Curruption =/= stupidy
lethal comet
Humanity wasnt in a position to enforce the conditions of those treaties @dense pulsar
ONI did it right with kilo five
cedar surge
@lethal comet they also justify that since ONI is corrilupt they would let cortana back
dense pulsar
It seems like itd be a really dumb move imo
cedar surge
They seem to think that corruption equals stupidity and being plain suicidal
dense pulsar
The risk is too high both because she's clearly rampant and because it would be really bad optics
lethal comet
Cortana needs to be terminated or contained
dense pulsar
I really hope they don't do a "Chief spares Cortana" type deal
cedar surge
"So we know you did war crimes,committed mass murders,and nearly brought our governmemt to the breaking point,but because we are corrupt and somehow stupid we are going to let you straight back in!"
Anybody with sense would terminate cortana
dense pulsar
What I'm thinking is going to happen is Blue Team is going to get Noble Team'd
Chief will be the last one with a wmd
lethal comet
These people confuse black ops and intelligence with corruption
They can't just kill blue team like that
round comet
The risk is too high both because she's clearly rampant and because it would be really bad optics
she is not rampant.
in 5.
lethal comet
she is not rampant.
That's kinda debatable
round comet
she has been cured, rampancy is a state of terminal illness and she isnt in that state.
cedar surge
Cortana in 5 is a rampant fragment
dense pulsar
To everyone else she might aa well be rampant
lethal comet
rampancy is more than just death in AIs
round comet
she has been cured, rampancy is a state of terminal illness and she isnt in that state.
this.
obviously the changes have not been reverted, but she isnt terminally ill or "thinking herself to death".
dense pulsar
Didn't a forerunner AI turn on its creators too and nearly end the galaxy?
round comet
which is what rampancy is.
dense pulsar
Different strain of logic plague maybe?
lethal comet
Different strain of logic plague maybe?
NOOOOO
cedar surge
HELL NO
lethal comet
Logic plague is not rampancy
round comet
Didn't a forerunner AI turn on its creators too and nearly end the galaxy?
logic plague.
not rampancy.
dense pulsar
I know but I brought that up as an alternative to rampancy
lethal comet
Rampancy includes human emotions, superiority complex (sorta) and loss of reason
versed helm
logic plague can be taken as flood induced rampancy, i guess
round comet
obviously the subtle personality changes have not been reverted, but she isnt terminally ill or "thinking herself to death", thus not rampant.
lethal comet
Logic plague is just defection through manipulation
lethal comet
And caboose rampancy is not all 'thinking yourself to death'
That death is the outcome of rampancy
she is still rampant
but avoided death
round comet
that "thinking yourself" part is rampancy, death is death
heck 343 actually confirmed that she isnt rampant anymore after her fragments reformed into a whole in the domain.
scroll down to the last part will ya
the subtle changes were not reverted, but she aint rampant.
rampancy is illness.
round comet
indeed.
round comet
thats called hypocrisy
cedar surge
She even claimed she would do better than the forerunners
While doing the exact same
lethal comet
Thats superiority
round comet
better than the forerunners
that aint a high bar to cross
lethal comet
The guardians are proof how the forerunners saw the mantle
cedar surge
And cortana is using it the same exact way
round comet
its poetic
dense pulsar
The mantle is just space dictatorship
round comet
its not meant to be that.
craggy sierra
It’s kinda how everyone uses it
versed helm
its like the space age version of the trojan war. but the horse is a giant robot, and nobody's fooled
dense pulsar
And in a weird way, the galaxy atm kinda needs it or atleast did
versed helm
it doth not
dense pulsar
Wdym? Half the galaxy was really down for genociding humans for 30 years, then had a civil war while the flood was mucking about
cedar surge
You are just going to cause more chaos
Dicatorship brings order,but not exactly good order
dense pulsar
I mean, theres still a sizable chunk of people who still believe in the Covenant despite there being objective evidence that the Forerunners weren't gods
round comet
Wdym? Half the galaxy was really down for genociding humans for 30 years, then had a civil war while the flood was mucking about
and a species with the mantle will solve that? like it did in the forerunner era?
cedar surge
That's bassivally slavery in a trench coat mista
dense pulsar
Well, its not exactly run by an organic being at the moment
versed helm
the mantle is just another word for basic humility
cedar surge
Yea its also telling a species to rule all others
craggy sierra
the mantle is just another word for basic humility
@versed helm by basic humility, you mean one race above all else forcing everyone else to swear humility to them.
cedar surge
Yet every species who got the mantle oppressed everyone else.hmmmmm
Maybe the mantle is flawed for a few reasons
dense pulsar
Is humanity in control or a crazy AI?
cedar surge
The created
The created sent their guardians throughout the Orion arm to force the mantle onto other species
They think the mantle is for AIs
The wiping out of meridian,the killing of ambassadors,stranding ships in space,throwing a frigate onto Sydney
All done by them
craggy sierra
Tbh I’m interested to see what will come of the created if Cortana does get removed from power. Like how many AI are there because they agree with her ideologies vs how many are just there because they feared mortality.
cedar surge
I feel like the latter makes up most of the created
round comet
probably.
it will become a hotly debated topic within UNSC and ONI.
what the hell to do.
craggy sierra
That’s still interesting thought though what might come of those AI personally though.
Like I doubt you can just delete the entire domain
craggy sierra
That’d be a let down. I wanna see uneasy immortal AI diplomacy.
round comet
That’d be a let down. I wanna see uneasy immortal AI diplomacy.
to destroy the core theyd have to go to maethrillian.
and there's also this little issue
called the guardians
those guys can only be deactivated that way.
craggy sierra
I dont think they would take well to thousands of traitors
Yeah but also what are they gonna do? Wage a willing war on the AI that have every forerunner construct at their beck and call?
round comet
i mean.
craggy sierra
Actually ONI probably would
craggy sierra
So did I
cedar surge
The unsc would probably would
craggy sierra
We’ve seen guardians knock out entire planets in one go with EMPs
I doubt we’re taking that in a direct fight
round comet
We’ve seen guardians knock out entire planets in one go with EMPs
yeah i know, they have no way to beat those except stuff like nukes
and even that is just the best option, im not sure if it will work.
cedar surge
Actually in new blood its been revealed that stuff knocked out can actually just be repaired
Bad blood
craggy sierra
It’s not about forgiveness, it’s about the fact that if Cortana goes and the rest of the AI following her are like “we’re just gonna go live our own lives, please don’t stop us” then what’s ONI gonna do? Chase after them and invite them back to curb stomp us with guardians for a round 2?
cedar surge
I mean
craggy sierra
It’s not about forgiveness
round comet
Bad blood
the huragok...
craggy sierra
It’s about NoT dYiNg
cedar surge
Some Spartans probably want to take a swing at the created AI
craggy sierra
They have GUARDIANS. Giant skyscraper sized owl robots that can lock down an entire planet and all space travel in under a minute instantly.
It’s not even a foot battle at that point
round comet
even nukes may not work.
cedar surge
Nova bomb would work
craggy sierra
Double RIP the planet they’re on then
carmine veldt
Nova Bombs make anything work