did i scare yall off
#lore-and-universe
ornate sierra
cedar surge
well over mars and tribute hundreds of frigates are being built
ornate sierra
so im being ignored
vague scroll
sir, this is a lore channel
ornate sierra
i do know this
cedar surge
we dont sit on discord all day zero
vague scroll
@cedar surge mars has some large fleet building yards I vaguely recall maybe? Tribute, I don't think I recall anything about such.
ornate sierra
well i apologise bit everytime im on yall are
vague scroll
today and yesterday I glanced in here for a minute and it's been a week before that since I've checked this chat...
cedar surge
distant im asking what do you think happened to those ships after the created
i think they got scrapped
vague scroll
well if there were any, they're just sitting collecting dust
cedar surge
i hope that they have been spared by the angry blue one
vague scroll
Cortana emp'd the Sol System, the Created-affiliated AIs shut down the connective infrastructure between all the colonies
the Created storyline is likely to end by the early 2560s
so it will be a blip on the radar, the universe will carry on as if mostly nothing happened
since we have the 2589 Reach epilogue and the Museum of Humanity in the 2600s
cedar surge
the banished is more interesting to me than the created ever was
i wonder how they are going to deal with the guardians though
versed helm
Does Halo have an equivalent to Blackwater (private military)?
nimble crest
Not to my knowledge
nimble crest
I think he means like an official group sanctioned by the UNSC
versed helm
Not for the Covenant side of things, please keep that in mind.
last anchor
ONI uses a few, but they arent all that important.
nimble crest
Often over looked
last anchor
I know some private companies have militaries (some of the armor in 5 is privately made)
Maybe that counts?
versed helm
Those are for testing equipment though, they are not deployed for operations.
nimble crest
Well then you could say like skunkworks is a pmc but they were more private builders
vague scroll
well there's Dark Moon Enterprises which was a Forerunner AI who took hacked the human networks and created it's own private military corporation
the thing is though that Dark Moon was going against ONI while this AI was also in ONI custody
last anchor
Blackmoon'd be the most likely candidate for Stero probs.
peak veldt
I cant seem to remember any. Do we ever get to see a ship inside of slipspace?
I only ever remember portal enters and exits
last anchor
No. But theres nothing in slipspace but just...black void. It doesnt really look like anything.
vague scroll
the Infinity is visible in Slipspace transit on several depictions in Halo 4 Spartan Ops actually
last anchor
I totally forgot that
vague scroll
while in the books slipspace is described as a black void
the game depicts it as a vaguely rainbow-ish space magic tunnel thing
peak veldt
Most scifi do fancy light tunnels
vague scroll
pretty much
versed helm
the thing is though that Dark Moon was going against ONI while this AI was also in ONI
That reminds me of the incident where the Kaminoans tried to rebel against the Empire with the last batch of Clones.
vague scroll
ah SW Legends-era Battlefront 2
peak veldt
Was wondering if they ever portrayed the inside in Halo. Gonna rewatch spartan ops then.
Also curious if I am right on the lore.
Halo doesn't have FTL speeds right? They just travel at normal speeds but through wormholes that are smaller distance.
vague scroll
no FTL in Halo
versed helm
I don't remember that becoming a part of Legends, it is still canon, no?
ah SW Legends-era Battlefront 2
vague scroll
they create pseudo-wormholes with Slipspace instead
nimble crest
How many settlement planets were retroformed after the war
vague scroll
not canon anymore @versed helm
that's a hard question to answer since not every human colony ever settled is known, and neither is the colonies that got reterraformed - by 2560 they were still in the process of reterraforming
if you want a catalog of known human colonies you can check Halopedia below:
peak veldt
Officially probably doesn't matter but my headcanon for star wars legends is, if nothing has overwritten it, its probably still valid. Probably cause I want to keep KotOR
vague scroll
why's that inconsistent?
peak veldt
Guessing Mark IV has no AI slot?
vague scroll
oh, that's explained away by the SoF finding GEN2 blueprints on Installatino 00
they just fabricated up-to-date variants
as for the actual cutscene, that's just inconsistency over depictions
remember that games are team efforts and not everyone in a design project will be 100% on the same page
nimble crest
Do we know if Isabelle and Jerome will return in infinite
I know I just noticed that
peak veldt
Were they on Anders Halo?
vague scroll
there's no suggestion at this time that the events in Halo Wars 2 will affect Infinite
peak veldt
I forgot where they end up
vague scroll
no they were not on Anders's Ring
peak veldt
Who left on the ring and who stayed behind on SoF?
vague scroll
Halo Infinite will be set on Zeta Halo/Installation 07, a halo ring featured in the the Halo Forerunner Saga novels and Hunters in the Dark
Anders was alone on the ring, Installation 09
everyone else got off
nimble crest
I think Isabelle is cool and hope she is in infinite
peak veldt
Oh so just her. Hope they touch up Halo Wars 2 tho. With the "returning to old look" it seems like good excuse.
I imagine the most we get is an explanation of how Banished get to 07.
Hope they just dont kill everyone off.
jolly furnace
vague scroll
the Banished featured in Infinite and the one featured in HW2 are two different sects of the Banished
Atriox's version is still stranded on the Ark
peak veldt
OH
nimble crest
Yeah
vague scroll
the new one we see in Infinite is Atriox's followers trying to follow whatever directions Atriox left behind for them
peak veldt
Didnt know that. I thought it would be Atriox on Halo Infinite eventually. Thats neat
nimble crest
Where did the SoF go after hw2? I seem to have forgot
vague scroll
it's still at the Ark
nimble crest
What year was hw2 in
vague scroll
2559
peak veldt
Does Cortana have the Ark too?
vague scroll
Infinite is 2560
no the Ark portal closed when the Guardians attacked so Cortana does not have the Ark at the moment
peak veldt
So she has every Halo except 00.
I imagine it would make a great army maker @nimble crest
vague scroll
no particular reason though having control of the galaxy's only Halo factory is a pretty powerful tool to have under your control
@peak veldt you can't make an army from the Ark
nimble crest
Are there any constructs left on the ark
vague scroll
having control of the Ark would instead be like having control of space nukes
sure there are Forerunner machines on the Ark but nothing particularly advantageous from a military perspective
peak veldt
The Foundry can ONLY make halo?
But then I imagine, Could whoever controls Ark make Halos unable to be used?
vague scroll
she's getting all her weapons right now from abandoned Forerunner military facilities across the galaxy
foundry is not a place, the Ark itself is a Halo-making factory
and Halos can be fired individually without going to the Ark
peak veldt
Since all Halo's are on standby, Is the Ark the only switch?
vague scroll
the only reason you'd need to go to the Ark is if you wanted to fire them all at once
"standby" means "ready to fire", essentially the installations were sent messages saying that be prepared for activation
peak veldt
Oh. Its the Wipe it all switch instead of just the area.
vague scroll
yes
dense pulsar
Well, firing one ring puts the others in stand-by
nimble crest
Isn’t, you know, still some flood on the ark?
What symbols do you use for a spoiler ?
vague scroll
yes there is always going to be Flood on the ark
peak veldt
I think Halo Wars 2 touches on that but I havent played the DLC
vague scroll
Reawaken the Nightmare, yeah
the thing you need to understand is that Halos destroy the Flood's food source and converted material - it does not kill the Flood itself
nimble crest
I know
peak veldt
They could glass the areas and High Charity I guess.
nimble crest
I’m just saying Cortana is basically immune (not because she’s an ai)
versed helm
Isn't it called Awakening The Nightmare?
nimble crest
How do you make spoiler blur
vague scroll
so even if a Halo fired, you still need to quarantine the remnant flood material - because the Flood on High Charity was too much to destroy outright, the Forerunner sentinels put up a shield wall to keep them in instead
@versed helm you're right, my bad
vague scroll
if someone needs to spoil something they can say it in #485883236430512168 instead
I'm sure the mods would prefer it that way
nimble crest
It’s just relevant to the conversation
vague scroll
what would the spoiler be for then, if you don't mind saying that? I assume that wouldn't be a spoiler
based on that I can tell ya whether it's actually a spoiler or not
versed helm
Don't forget that nothing has been released within the last two months for it to be regarded as spoiler territory.
nimble crest
Because it’s half prediction half most likely
nimble crest
I don’t want to be held accountable for ruining someone’s game 😂
Spoiler
||cortana probably has the logic plague. You could here the graveminds voice under hers when she sent her message over the universe||
vague scroll
that's a long standing theory, it's not confirmed and the community has been talking about that since Halo 4
nimble crest
That’s my chunk of the chew
vague scroll
yeah it's not really a spoiler
nimble crest
She got it during her stay at ram ran- I mean high charity
versed helm
Oh my God, they explicitly state what is considered as being spoilers in the other channel. Just do yourself a favour and read it, Magicka.
vague scroll
it's not confirmed Magick, they've been saying that for years and there's more evidence to say she's not got logic plague
than there is evidence for it
nimble crest
Well ais serve the flood if they have it right?
vague scroll
the theory got popularized by either HiddenXperia or HaloFollower as I recall
nimble crest
What is the logic plague? That the flood will eventually win?
vague scroll
but anyway, yes, Flood can use logic plague to convince AIs to work with them but it's not really something Cortana has actually exhibited
gilded mason
^
unique rune
The logic plague isn’t really so much an actual disease as much as it is a series of arguments to convince an individual that what the Flood is doing is right
versed helm
Okay, when has she served the Flood in Halo 4 and 5? If she was infected, Warden Eternal would eliminate her, not ally with her.
vague scroll
logic plague is just the Gravemind talking to an AI and having a conversation that makes it change it's opinions on a matter
some people compare it to insanity but I'd probably gander it's more akin to Stockholm syndrome
all it really does it make the AI sympathetic to the Flood's cause
even if it's a screwed up circumstance, it took a long time for Mendicant Bias to become infected by logic plague
gilded mason
And Human Weakness shows that Cortana was able to resist the Gravemind's manipulation.
versed helm
It's pretty interesting how he managed to recover from it. That's if my theory about Mendicant Bias is correct, lol.
vague scroll
yeah Mendicant Bias did overcome the logic plague but that was after 100,000 years of meditation
versed helm
Hello! I was thinking back to the spartans augmentations and remembered they had a neural interface. However through halo 5, when helmets of spartans are off, i dont see them. Are they still there or am i just looking for things that shouldnt be there?
You see, I believe that he has separated himself into various fragments.
vague scroll
Spartans still require neural implants @versed helm
it just wasn't modeled in the game
no that was forced upon him @versed helm
vague scroll
MB spent the plot of Halo 3 reuniting himself on the Ark because one fragment was there, the other was aboard the Keyship
it's in the Halo 3 text terminals
versed helm
I find him to be one of the more interesting Forerunner characters, most of their lore is rather boring to me.
vague scroll
i get that, you might enjoy the Forerunner Saga trilogy of novels by Greg Bear if you haven't read them
since it's set during the Forerunner era before the Halos firing
versed helm
I enjoyed the short story for Defender of The Storm.
vague scroll
otherwise if you just want to learn more about Mendicant Bias, just read media that he's featured in - I think he's seen briefly in Contact Harvest, seen in the Forerunner Saga, featured in the H2 and H3 terminals, and there's some Forerunner stuff in the H4 terminals that are unrelated to MB otherwise that might interest you then
versed helm
My problem with the Forerunner lore is how pointless it is to become invested in the characters. I'm sure some of the stories are fairly well written but the massive reset button is another factor that discourages me from investigating it.
vague scroll
when you say reset button, you mean the halos themselves?
wispy wasp
why did chief seemingly do nothing to the proto-gravemind on the truth and reconciliation when he came across it?
vague scroll
well on one hand, he didn't know what it was - on the other hand, he did punch it to prevent it from getting access to Keyes' neural chip and the location of Earth and other such stuff
wispy wasp
that is true, maybe i just expected him to do more to it
also, was keyes still alive by the time chief made it to him?
vague scroll
nothing wrong with that, just some times questions like that come up when you're already familiar with halo lore
I don't know tbh, I assume he was practically brain dead at that point
dusty prawn
Oh man, that flood jenkins mouthing thank you. Such a dark experience
unique rune
Rewatching the Spartan Ops/Infinity cutscenes and I gotta say Majestic really isn't that annoying.
Some of their interactions feel a bit silly but they don't seem really outlandish for people who grew up normally.
The "toss it into the sun lmao" ending still bites though.
inner basin
You want to know of an unsung hero in Halo. The ODST Baird. I went back to rewatch some of the Evolution adaptations and seeing his sacrifice to protect the co-ordinates of Earth and enact the Cole protocol was honestly really brave
versed helm
Yea
cedar surge
bard?
nimble crest
Baird
dusty prawn
@unique rune the only thing that bugged me about majestic was the Hoya bust out of the rock and slowly walk forward shooting until a knight tries to get him thing. I get he is angry about his friend getting hurt and he feels invincible but it’s just so crazy. Completely jeapordizes the safety of himself and therefore his team, maybe arbitrarily, and doesn’t feel bad about it when he’s wheeled back on.
If his line to palmer went from “it’ll take more than that to kill me” to “that’s not going to happen again” or some degree of ownership and learning it’d be 100x more respectable
nimble crest
What is “air assault”? It’s on a bunch of armors. Is it ODST or something else
vague scroll
What is “air assault”? It’s on a bunch of armors. Is it ODST or something else
@nimble crest
"The MJOLNIR/AA variant was developed as an improvement of the venerable ODST helmet."
"Entered service in 2535; the MJOLNIR/AA variant is exclusive to Army airborne units."
- Halo Reach Armor Description, Air Assault Helmet
That doesn’t answer my question but I’m assuming it’s like what Osiris did in the beginning of 5
real crow
Halo reach is so much sadder when you know just how doomed they are
nimble crest
Yep
vague scroll
well, let me say it another way then - it's a armor design built off ODST but it's designed for Army Special Forces.
particularly Army Airborne, hence the designation "Air Assault"
as for the role, it's anything from using dropships to insert into an area in a quick manner, to high altitude combat on space elevators, or high altitude insertions with a parachute/parafoil, or falling out of an atmospheric-side starship
it's combat insertion that inserts from the air, just not using drop pods like the ODSTs
and it's for the UNSC Army instead of Marine Corps (which the ODSTs are part of)
simple locust
Are there any known infiltrator units in Halo? Could the Promethean soldiers have been used as them against humans, and prophets?
versed helm
when you say reset button, you mean the halos themselves?
@vague scroll Yes, I was.
cedar surge
@simple locust Spartans,elites,and brutes use stealth generators
Some odsts use them in their armor also
versed helm
SPI, right?
cedar surge
Yea
nimble crest
Did the mk 5 (b) come in specifically black ?
versed helm
What implies that it did? One Spartan wearing it in that colour?
nimble crest
Didn’t fred wear it in forward unto dawn? Wasn’t it black as well?
carmine sleet
That wasn't Mark V(b) in Forward Unto Dawn
unique rune
The armor Fred was using in Forward Unto Dawn is an unnamed variant of Mk. IV
nimble crest
(B)
inner basin
The armor Fred was using in Forward Unto Dawn is an unnamed variant of Mk. IV
@unique rune It’s Mk. IV[B]
unique rune
Oh so it is called Mk. IV[B]
Didn't catch that on the Halopedia page
inner basin
Fred-104's Mark IV(b) helmet in Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Check the bottom bulletpoint of the Trivia section on Halopedia
unique rune
After upgrading from Mk IV and Mk IV(b) variant MJOLNIR armor, Frederic utilized Mk V COMMANDO for much of his initial campaign on Reach.
Yeah I see it now
lethal comet
The real reason why he wears the (B) variant is because they reused the props from the remember reach discover hope trailer
Fred wears Thom's helmet
And kelly wears kat's helmet
cedar surge
so did noble team not know about red flag?
versed helm
Doesn't all of Noble Team technically wear Mk V (B)?
I am referring to the body armour, not the helmets.
cedar surge
so the person who panicked and bombarded charlie company at reach
did they get punished at all
versed helm
The variant of it.
I assume it stands for "Bravo", since it would be appropriate to think that the UNSC use the military alphabet.
cedar surge
has james ever been found
its not like he could just disapear
he was jsut blown into space by his jetpack
lethal comet
space is not small
And they had more things to worry about since reach was under attack
cedar surge
so after reach was recolonized
they revealed what the spartan 2s and 3s actually were
wouldnt that just give fuel to the innsurrection
unique rune
Man what does the b stand for
Probably nothing
Just used as an indicator of a secondary variant
restive hornet
Right, I need you guys to help me settle a bet. What would happen if an ODST drop pod was deployed during slipspace? Not into, but when a ship was in slipspace (Potentially going into battle) an ODST drop pod was deployed with an ODST inside?
ornate sierra
That is very a interesting question
rain imp
It wouldn't survive the transition. The stress of exiting slipspace would tear it apart.
ornate sierra
maybe they would stay in slipspace
cedar surge
no it wouldnt
ornate sierra
why not
cedar surge
you cant survive in slipspace without a slipspace drive
restive hornet
The two current theories for the bet are, A. You get randomly deposited in space and time or B. You glitch through the universe into another
ornate sierra
there are asteroids in slipspace you saying they have slipspace drives
cedar surge
Direct exposure to the slipstream is incredibly dangerous. Despite the presence of a quantum field which effectively keeps the ship within a "bubble" of normal space,[40] people traveling on a slipspace-capable craft can experience a range of symptoms, from nausea, to heart failure or even death. It is also known that some people react to slipspace jumps stronger than others.[64] Even more uncommon, but still known to happen, is the total disappearance of a person while in the slipstream.[65]
cedar surge
yep
from halopedia
6also another reason6
the drop pod is too small
Entering and exiting the slipstream is normally only attempted by ships of large mass, their gravity wells stabilizing the constantly fluctuating slipspace to a degree that allows safe passage.[72] Small ships, such as dropships, do not possess the same gravity and are placed under considerably more stress than a warship, able to crack the hull and buckle reinforcing struts.[73] It is not impossible, and UNSC slipstream monitoring probes make the transitions all the time, but require heavy reinforcement to survive the stresses, and are unmanned, having no need to protect internal occupants.[72] Specialized craft like Long Range Stealth Orbital Insertion Pods can make the transition, but are still an extremely uncomfortable ride.[66] A Slipspace-to-normal space transition has been successfully attempted by a Spirit dropship, but it had been extensively equipped with Titanium-A battleplates, lead, and carbon-molybdenum steel I-beams.
ornate sierra
that makes sense
ornate sierra
oof
rain imp
LRSOIP could. SOIEV I don't think could.
ornate sierra
do yall know how to make a bot on discord
cedar surge
nah6
rain imp
What's with all the 6's? 🙂
ornate sierra
do you anyone who does
lethal comet
If the vessel is reinforced then you can exit slipspace in dropships
versed helm
Are the Flood capable of infecting Promethean Knights, and are there any recorded instances of it occurring?
cedar surge
6extsensive reinforcment
lethal comet
Blue team exited slipspace in a spirit dropship in first strike
cedar surge
] A Slipspace-to-normal space transition has been successfully attempted by a Spirit dropship, but it had been extensively equipped with Titanium-A battleplates, lead, and carbon-molybdenum steel I-beams.
6
oh yea
lethal comet
And if the slipstream is 'smooth' then you can be exposed to slipsapce
cedar surge
radiation
lethal comet
The forerunner Slipspace crystals made the slipstream smooth, like normal space
With them you can take non reinforced dropships like the pelican in slipstream
cedar surge
didnt one reverse time
lethal comet
Yes
lethal comet
When they came it was october
When they left it was september
The pelican and condor are different ships
Just have similar design
cedar surge
90 perceet of the body is pelican
lethal comet
Condor is bigger and 'fatter'
inner basin
And has a slipspace drive equipped
But it does fill the role of a Pelican... except at a longer range
We may be seeing some in Infinite though
cedar surge
probably the gunship version
inner basin
I don’t think so. The Pilot was mentioning “going home” a lot. I don’t think they’d be able to go home in the G81. They don’t have a slipspace drive
cedar surge
the pilot in he demo looked sad/defeated in front of condors so i dont think ts the regular variant
feral perch
The Condor Gunship only exists on Installation 00 anyway because it’s an illegal mod by Isabel
inner basin
We don’t know what he was sad about. That could be anything
cedar surge
he was looking for slipspace drives
inner basin
But it could be something else as we don’t know the story
cedar surge
or they could have already been pillaged by the banished
inner basin
The Condor Gunship only exists on Installation 00 anyway because it’s an illegal mod by Isabel
That’s right. I forgot about that
feral perch
I don’t remember. I think it’s the sheer volume of firepower?
unique rune
The Vulture is still currently “officially” the heaviest standard combat air unit the UNSC has to offer – but rest assured, there’s nothing official about the Condor Gunship. This imposing flying fortress is actually a repurposed and highly weaponized civilian dropship. While the Condor Gunship does break a large number of UNSC weapons platform regulations, its effectiveness in battle is truly undeniable.
Still amuses me a bit that the G81 basically just has bunch of Spartan Lasers and a mini-Onager bolted to its underside.
feral perch
it’s amazing
cedar surge
oh hey the vulture is still in service
nimble crest
I dream
cedar surge
how the grizzly got decided to be too expensive and not the vulture
is a bit beyond me
nimble crest
Grizzly wasn’t official UNSC right ? The SoF made them
cedar surge
no it is
unique rune
The Grizzly does see use beyond the Spirit of Fire's forces, just in a very limited capacity because it's big, heavy, expensive, and painful for logistics.
cedar surge
the grizly is very much official
what they meant by forge's pet project is upgraded grizzlies
its still in use by the army though
and by that qoute it seems the vulture is still in service
and its bassicaly the unsc's flying scarab
but somehow the unsc is having no problem with it but the grizzly
heck the covenant needed to use orbital supriority to destroy them
unique rune
I'd imagine the Grizzly is just deemed impractical for most purposes because the Scorpion already can fulfill most of the same roles, but with lower strain on supply chains, transportation, and budget.
In comparison, the Vulture doesn't really have any straightforward counterparts that can easily replace it
feral perch
I want a Mongoose with a Scorpion cannon attached
unique rune
Most Pelicans in UNSC service seem to be in dropship configuration rather than gunship
nimble crest
I want a pelican with a splaser
unique rune
I want a Mongoose with a Scorpion cannon attached
What I want is a Scorpion hull+cannon with the tread modules replaced with Pelican engine nacelles
feral perch
that would be beautiful
cedar surge
as soon as it starts to fly,a marine jumps underneth it and puts a mine on the bottom
carmine sleet
I want a pelican with a splaser
Already had that in Halo 4
feral perch
Kapow
nimble crest
How’s about a gun goose but no guns and just mac cannons
inner basin
Don't be ridiculous. It'd have to be Mini MACs
rain imp
Much more sensible.
nimble crest
Fine. Warthog with a Big Mac.
fair hazel
Oh no
nimble crest
Oh yes
ornate sierra
that would be so cool
cedar surge
So how many marines were at the ark
cedar surge
aint it just a ship at that point
so wait
oni just shot 300 spartans into slipspace
nimble crest
Hm?
humble yacht
Space Xerxes
cedar surge
oh they did make a new post war varient of the drop pod
nimble crest
It has a cup holder
cedar surge
the unsc and banished caused the covenant a lot of trouble
actually wasn't the coenant getting ganged up on by the flood,humanity,elites, and the banshed near the end?
inner basin
oh they did make a new post war varient of the drop pod
It's used on some Warzone maps in H5. At least in the WZFF game mode. I can't speak for regular WZ
carmine sleet
We don't even know if we'll see ODSTs in Infinite
versed helm
ODSTs are pretty integral in Halo
humble yacht
CE did fine without them
carmine sleet
Halo 4 and 5 also didn't feature them
cedar surge
For the battle of reach,is 210 ships lost for the covenant a big deal for the covenant?they lost hundreds of ships in other battles and operations before
versed helm
escharum mentions that the USNC is hunted, indicating that there could still be UNSC forces on the ring
humble yacht
that's all but confirmed
versed helm
exactly
humble yacht
the demo showed a map with a "save the marines" side mission
versed helm
and at this point, ODSTs are pretty integral in the UNSC
cedar surge
Well 2,3,odst,and reach had them
versed helm
at this point. not mentioning any other game.
humble yacht
Just because they are a major part of the UNSC doesn't mean we'll see them in the game
versed helm
think about it. what are the chances that UNSC wont have deployed ODSTs on the ring
humble yacht
low
cedar surge
There are hundreds of odsts on the infinity
carmine sleet
Just because ODSTs are part of the UNSC and could have potentially been deployed, doesn't mean they are going to appear for definite in Infinite
versed helm
is it confirmed that the infinity was also present at 07?
cedar surge
And plus its not like they disappeared from halo media
carmine sleet
There are hundreds of odsts on the infinity
Just because they had loads on Infinity, doesn't mean they'll appear, case and point, Halo 4
humble yacht
ODSTs wouldn't be used for security. depending on how the battle on I07 went, it's possible ODSTs were utilized to drop behind enemy lines, but even if they did, they may have all died
versed helm
the dead part is very likely
carmine sleet
Like, it'd be cool if ODSTs do appear, but it isn't going to make or break anything if they don't appear
humble yacht
we'll simply have to wait and see. but there's no reason why the game has to feature ODSTs
versed helm
it'll be good if they do, but not bad if they dont
humble yacht
i think you just like odsts
cedar surge
750 odsts
versed helm
i kinda do, yeah
inner basin
It'd be like fanservice for ODSTs to appear, but I miss fighting alongside them so I really hope it happens
cedar surge
750 odsts on the infinity
versed helm
chances of ODSTs being deployed to the ring are high, but chances of us seeing them arent all that high
carmine sleet
It'd be like fanservice for ODSTs to appear, but I miss fighting alongside them so I really hope it happens
It'd be fanservice if they appear for the sake of it. If there's a good reason, such as UNSC reinforcements arriving and ODSTs being deployed first to get troops down on the ground faster or someone specifically requesting ODSTs for an op, then it'd make sense
humble yacht
we simply don't know
versed helm
wait. you all mean them dropping down in the pods happening, or the soldiers being present?
cause im talking about the troopers, not the pods
cedar surge
That would be a cool equipment
A beacon to get some troops to your locations
Plus why would all the odsts go behind enemy lines
versed helm
cause thats literally how they work
humble yacht
dropping behind enemy lines is one of their main functions
humble yacht
depends on just how bad the banished beat the unsc
cedar surge
ODSTs wouldn't be used for security. depending on how the battle on I07 went, it's possible ODSTs were utilized to drop behind enemy lines, but even if they did, they may have all died
@humble yacht
humble yacht
may have
versed helm
this aint the covenant. the banished have a different MO. given that they wouldnt be able to exactly convince the ODSTs to join up, they would either keep them prisoner or rek em
and reking them is far more likely
cedar surge
How does this exactly affect the odsts,we seen them fight brutes before
Heck Palmer managed to kill a brute chieftain on her own as a odst
versed helm
the banished brutes work better than the covie ones
cedar surge
Evidence?
humble yacht
just because alpha nine was successful in surviving a bad situation doesn't mean all odst will have that same luck
versed helm
Evidence?
@cedar surge decimus, pavium, voraidus, hyperion
cedar surge
Well a group did get overrun by a hundred thousand elites
versed helm
they had custom weaponry
cedar surge
I mean grunts
humble yacht
your ODST followers in Halo 2 can die to a minor squadron of covies
cedar surge
That's gameplay chimera
humble yacht
there isn't really a measure of when they'll survive and when they won't
maybe for atmosphere purposes, they'll all be dead in infinite. who knows
versed helm
plus, the ODSTs on infinity (if the infinity was at 07) would be facing the banished for the first time, but the banished has xp in reking humans
cedar surge
Why would marines be alive and not odsts
cedar surge
Also humanity knew about the banished for a while
versed helm
ODSTs are more liable to jump into fights, i guess?
humble yacht
the banished on I07 are not the same banished from the Ark, in all likelihood
humble yacht
when I say not the same, I mean not the same individuals
versed helm
i mean they would probably use different tactics
humble yacht
i.e. atriox is not on I07
cedar surge
So the banished would be more like cells?
humble yacht
atriox probably just left behind some forces
versed helm
an ODST used to fighting covies would face difficulty in fighting a banished squad
humble yacht
he didn't take 100% of banished to the ark
versed helm
at most, an ODST would have the element of surprise
if dropping in unknown territory, that wont help a lot.
cedar surge
Odsts on the SoF seem to be doing fine
humble yacht
it's a different kind of fight on the ark
versed helm
do we have non-game lore regarding the SoF?
humble yacht
not every engagement will have 1:1 parity in results
humble yacht
we don't know how many banished attacked the UNSC on i07
the ark had one carrier's worth of banished. maybe a whole fleet attacked the ark
cedar surge
I think canon fodder said the CAS came along with another ship
humble yacht
on the ark?
cedar surge
Yea
versed helm
so, from the time when the scientist from SoF gave the banished a free ride into space till now, just how much could the banished have grown?
agreed, they had a lot of troops, but it seemed like they lost a lot of troops on 09
inner basin
agreed, they had a lot of troops, but it seemed like they lost a lot of troops on 09
Not just troops. Vehicles too
humble yacht
pretty sure the carrier was the only slipspace-capable vessel they took to the ark
versed helm
so when did they get to 07?
and how did they get to 07, if they lost their only slipspace worthy craft
versed helm
it would make sense they have a few glassing ships
inner basin
and how did they get to 07, if they lost their only slipspace worthy craft
They have others. The Carrier was the only slipspace drive equipped vessel they took to the Ark
humble yacht
and how did they get to 07, if they lost their only slipspace worthy craft
it's not the same force that went to the ark
cedar surge
Well they took 2
humble yacht
what halopedia article says this?
stiff creek
The cool one got dominated by sentinels.
cedar surge
Destroyed
versed helm
and again, when did they get to 07?
stiff creek
I'm not familiar with a second Banished ship on the Ark.
inner basin
We don't know yet
versed helm
cause if they had AA guns, they had to be there for a LONG time
feral perch
Not necessarily
humble yacht
so they had a ship that was capable of glassing beams but not capable of slipspace travel
stiff creek
This is a tad confusing to me, dudez.
gilded mason
...Very odd.
humble yacht
maybe the glassing beams were just a gameplay element for that level
versed helm
even if they got sentinels to build the AA guns, it would've taken at least a year for the banished to get a grip on 07 as they have rn
cedar surge
Well the covenant managed to-do it in what,2 or 3 months?
versed helm
on 04? they didnt have AA guns
feral perch
but what if they’re pretty neat?
cedar surge
@feral perch what?
versed helm
then chief and brohammer would've died the moment they got close to the ring
inner basin
The Covenant almost had AA guns setup at the Ark. 2 that we know of
versed helm
on a section of the ark, not the whole thing
versed helm
for the banished to be as OP on 07 as they are right now, they must have gotten there at least a year before HI begins
humble yacht
Infinite takes place 6 months after the UNSC lost
stiff creek
5 and a half.
cedar surge
And 2 months after SoR
versed helm
assuming they fortified the ring after the war
cedar surge
After what war
versed helm
thats still a lot of work before the war
the war that humanity lost 167 days ago
6 months is a good chunk of time, if you have forerunner tech at your disposal
but not that good
humble yacht
6 months without worrying about major opposition
versed helm
HI takes place in 2561 or 2562, i think
humble yacht
2560
cedar surge
Ey small tidbit
versed helm
the date was sometime in march, right?
humble yacht
may
feral perch
May 2560?
cedar surge
Sigma octanius should be habitable by now
versed helm
167 days, thats 5 months
humble yacht
may 28 2560 is when the demo happens
versed helm
so, humanity lost by the end of 2559
cedar surge
Lost on the ring or in general
humble yacht
as far as we know, the "loss" only applies to the engagement on the ring
stiff creek
^
stiff creek
07 is far away, it could've just been a decently large battlegroup.
versed helm
human/SoS forces
humble yacht
yes, there have been forces on I07 for years
cedar surge
Saner way you can say humanity lost by the destruction of reach
versed helm
so, the banished rekt them first
cedar surge
Oh wait 1I07 was already discovered?
humble yacht
iirc the UNSC found zeta halo shortly after Halo 3
versed helm
HW2 occurs in 2559
humble yacht
while chief was asleep
humble yacht
something like that
stiff creek
It exists.
versed helm
you dont say
stiff creek
And depending on which ring is in the Halo 5's legendary ending, it may be... on, or whatever that was.
humble yacht
the last bit of info is that the research team on the ring had not found any flood activity and had not made contact with the monitor
stiff creek
That too.
versed helm
do we have a date stamp on that? is it 2555?
humble yacht
up until the banished, seems like it was pretty peaceful
gilded mason
I think they said they couldn't find the Library or the control room either.
cedar surge
Has there been a monitor not hostile to the unsc?
versed helm
exuberant witness
feral perch
Zeta Halo is a weird place
gilded mason
Has there been a monitor not hostile to the unsc?```
Besides Witness, there's also Static Carillon.Think so
feral perch
Also Penitent Tangent was technically friendly
humble yacht
there is little info about I07 before the banished conflict because before that, nothing really happened
no one is gonna write a novel about a totally normal research experience on the ring
versed helm
aight. humanity lost at beginning of 2560, last contact with 07 is 2555
humble yacht
i don't think that's correct
gilded mason
last contact with 07 is 2555
Rather, it's the last time we, the audience, got an update
humble yacht
yea, there's a difference
stiff creek
Yïs.
humble yacht
i'm sure the research team was sending regular updates to UNSC command up until the banished attacked
versed helm
so, from our view, the banished could've gotten on the ring anytime between 2555 and 2560
stiff creek
Those scientists must've been ultravibin on a ring as peaceful as it was.
humble yacht
the attack happened sometime in 2559
it's unlikely it was a long, drawn out engagement
versed helm
2559 is when 09 was intercepted by cortana
stiff creek
Same situation as the Henry Lamb research outpost.
cedar surge
Cortana should know where all forerunner constructs are right
versed helm
man, 2599 is a messed up year
humble yacht
Cortana should know where all forerunner constructs are right
not necessarily
versed helm
last i checked, she needs both halves of the janus key
humble yacht
the domain is a galaxy spanning network but without a map, she may have to locate things manually
which could take time
she had to find the guardians manually
versed helm
say, that broadcast message from the banished, the trailer one, do we have a year for that?
humble yacht
she's an ai but the galaxy is a big place
cedar surge
But it might be something else they are talking about
humble yacht
the fact that she could find the guardians manually over a period of seemingly weeks is a testament to how fast she is
versed helm
how much you all willing to bet that it came from 07, before the war on 07
cedar surge
The ONI personal did sound worried about hearing some audio
About how something was broadcasted
On chatternet
I think its obvious that they were talking about the banished message
versed helm
The ONI personal did sound worried about hearing some audio
@cedar surge where does this happen?
main siren
Halo 3 Oni Archives video, IIRCX
versed helm
H3 is 2552, too early
humble yacht
🤦♂️
versed helm
and whats iirc? for the life of me, i havent been able to figure out what it means
humble yacht
if i recall correctly
versed helm
yeah, im kinda dumb in non book lore
humble yacht
the H3 Oni Archives is a video that was published on YT to promote H3 launching on MCC PC
it's not something that happened during H3
gilded mason
And in-universe, occur way after the fact
versed helm
i thought it discussed the events of H3. my bad
cedar surge
I don't think so
Let me check
No there is no date
Though I can't see it being during the created times of as I losing over everyone
Cortana would go out of her way to destroy oni
humble yacht
2558
stiff creek
Fity eight.
inner basin
Yeah. HW2 is 2559
stiff creek
Hey Chimera.
versed helm
so, working on the assumption that ONI didnt do that debrief during H5
stiff creek
Infinite is 2560, not 61?
inner basin
As far as we know, yes
versed helm
the attack on 07 happened between 55 and 57, or 55-58
stiff creek
Okay, good. Thank you Beast fren.
I don't know why this whole time I thought it was 61.
I didn't like that time skip. 2560 is favorable.
humble yacht
the attack on 07 would have to be after the events of H5
versed helm
that leaves a 3-4 month gap between 09 being intercepted by cortana, humanity losing on 07 and the banished conquering 07
58 - cortana starts galactic domination
59 - cortana finds 09, banished attack and get 07
cedar surge
What do you think cortana did with anders?
cedar surge
Well a guardian did intercept the ring
humble yacht
the guardian is huge and anders is tiny
versed helm
beginning of 60 - humanity gets rekt trying to get back 07
versed helm
she would've deployed sentinels
humble yacht
deploying sentinels on a guardian would be the stupidest thing ever
versed helm
not on the guardian, deployed them on the ring
she could very easily get into the ring's systems and deploy them
humble yacht
oh your talking about cortana
versed helm
yep
versed helm
tru dat
versed helm
what if cortana did a bio-scan of the ring?
she would legit be the only life form on the ring
humble yacht
she'd detect plants, animals
i'm not saying she couldn't find Anders if she really looked, but it's not like it's for sure that she did
versed helm
that is also true
humble yacht
it's simply not known at this time
versed helm
and anders doing anything on the ring would definitely give her away
also, i think the banished attacked 07 between H4 and H5
both years were really turbulent for humanity
humble yacht
yeah, i doubt that
between H4 and H5, infinity was hella busy
but for something like securing I07, they would have been sent there
versed helm
the first attack on the 07, before humanity lost 167 days ago
humble yacht
when an alien faction attacks a halo with UNSC forces on it, that's a "drop everything to go help" scenario
because of how dangerous the halo is
versed helm
not if you're being attacked by the species that made it
humble yacht
if the banished attacked during the events of Escalation, we would have heard about it
the banished didn't make the halos
versed helm
the didact composes a good bit of humanity in H4
versed helm
so, would ONI and UNSC give more attention to 07 being attacked, or earth being attacked?
humble yacht
even if the attacks were concurrent, which would be silly from a narrative standpoint, it would have been addressed after the didact was defeated
but throughout all of Escalation, no mention of I07 occurs
they go to peace talks, they fight didact again, they find the absolute record; all this stuff happens but no I07
versed helm
nobody knew the banished rekt the human forces on the ark till SoF got there
humble yacht
because I07 was perfectly fine at that time
the ark is a different matter because it's extra-galactic
we don't know how far from human controlled space it actually is
versed helm
whats the closest UNSC planet to 07?
humble yacht
there's no realistic reason why the encounter between the banished and the unsc on I07 had to be a long battle
it makes more sense that it was sudden and harsh
versed helm
that it does. and im not saying that it was long
Hello
im saying the banished were already nicely snuggled in 07 when humanity lost the fight to win 07 back
versed helm
think about it. humanity recovers from getting partly composed, when AI start going rogue
not all AI go nuts, but enough do to cause a lot of mayhem
humble yacht
AI didn't start going rogue until 2558.
versed helm
the composition event occurs near end of 2557, right?
humble yacht
you mean the attack on New Phoenix?
versed helm
yep
humble yacht
yes, mid 2557
versed helm
didact appears mid 2557
everybody goes nuts
ONI starts focusing on forerunner stuff
highly unlikely they ignore everything else
humble yacht
they wouldn't ignore everything else
humble yacht
a halo is still forerunner stuff
versed helm
and ONI getting to know about 07 being attacked depends on 07's proximity to a UNSC planet
humble yacht
if you don't get an update from a group stationed on a galaxy-killing weapon after awhile, you send someone to investigate
you don't ignore that for a year
to do so would be narratively unbelievable
humble yacht
the ark is, again, extra galactic
versed helm
so wouldnt they have tried to keep in touch with it?
humble yacht
sending messages back and forth is not as simple
versed helm
exactly. im saying thats what happened at 07
craggy sierra
idk if you can even set up quick communication with the ark given how far away it is
versed helm
you cant
humble yacht
so with the ark
when the Created attacked Earth, they shut down the portal to the ark
thus severing communication
also, the unsc had the immediate issue of the created to deal with
versed helm
wait. doesnt isabel say the portal shut down 3 months ago?
humble yacht
earth had just fallen, they didn't have the capacity to check on the ark
portal shuts down. 1 month later, atriox shows up, surprises the science team
2 months after that, cutter shows up, helps out isabel
but during that 3 months, the unsc was still reeling from the created
versed helm
im not sure what month the portal shuts down
but assuming it to be mid 2559
wait, nvm
humble yacht
so maybe, the earliest the banished could have attacked I07 and it makes sense that the UNSC couldn't respond would be during 2558 after the created disabled Earth
versed helm
yes. thats what im saying
humble yacht
but that's still unlikely
versed helm
they recover from one calamity, and before they check on everything, have to deal with another
humble yacht
we'll simply have to wait for the game
echo nebula
It would have been nice to have had date/time stamps on the playthrough
humble yacht
what playthrough?
gusty whale
what are conditions like on earth after cortana attacks? is the power still out all over the world, or are prometheans roaming the surface or something? ive never really thought about it until now
humble yacht
not sure we know
versed helm
would make sense that the people on 07 sent a distress message, but they sent it during the created attack, so nobody got it
humble yacht
i doubt the population of earth is being killed by prometheans
echo nebula
The E3 game play video where the MC is throwing energy cores and trying to destroy AA guns
humble yacht
maybe under arrest or curfew or something
but tbh when you have a guardian at the planet, you don't need prometheans on the ground
gusty whale
true
versed helm
yeah. a gaint bot in the sky can be a very good discouragment device
welp. i gots to sleep. thanks for bearing with me, @humble yacht
ornate sierra
hello everyone
west loom
I have a question, for a follow up question
The mjolnir armor, it has a nuclear reactor on the back, correct?
humble yacht
It’s nuclear, yes
west loom
So, theoretically, they can use themselves as a mini nuke in extreme cases?
I mean, you'd think they would, but I don't remember any mentioning of such act
For example, in cases like noble 6 ending, when the spartan knows he's dead, just blow up the suite to take as many with you
echo nebula
Mjolnir Mark VII Powered Assault Armor
Next-gen fusion-plasma hybrid power system
The suits are designed to detonate if a Spartan dies in combat. But I cannot remember where it says that
Fail-safe detonation system:
This system functions as a self-destruct mechanism in order to prevent a dead Spartan's armor from being compromised by hostiles. It is activated by a series of digits that only the Spartans know. When engaged, it produces a reactor overload that burns everything within a ten-meter radius, then produces a large blast
Halo: First Strike, page 315, page 377 (2010 edition)
west loom
Exactly, it sounds very logical, but I don't remember any cases where it happened
vague scroll
west loom
I'm stupid
I read the ome with Grace and totally forgot
Still
I wonder how we didn't see that in the games, or reach at least
humble yacht
The only one who had that opportunity would have been Emile
But that would have been stupid because it would have endangered Keyes and Noble 6
west loom
6 could've done that too
inner basin
He didn't have time to
humble yacht
Maybe if he didn’t spend time actually trying to fight off the elites
inner basin
Yeah, but then that would be boring
humble yacht
Is it stated how the code just be delivered to activate the self destruct?
Voice or type?
west loom
Imo it would've been a better ending
Sending him out, with a bang
Voice or type?
If to base off of Halo legends, voice
carmine sleet
Ok, quick question because I need to double check something, the Mangler is not a "slug round" version of the Mauler and is basically a Brute revolver, right?
barren niche
The Halo Fanwiki says its a “gravity weapon”
The mauler seems to fit your description
carmine sleet
You have watched the gameplay for Infinite, right? Because the Mangler isn't a gravity weapon
vague scroll
so, I don't know the trustworthiness of Halo Fanwiki, first time I've heard of them
that said, gravity propulsion for Brute weapons is a technological staple for them
the spiker for example uses gravitonic means of propelling their ammunition
barren niche
Seemed a bit sketch to me. The image attached to the article didn’t seem right.
vague scroll
probably is then, if you have any suspicion, then consider it a trustworthy gut feeling
unique rune
I don’t think we have enough info on the Mangler to really make any solid statements on just what exactly it is
vague scroll
here's the Halopedia article instead
on that note though, the Mangler does share a design model similar to the Mauler
but the ammunition in the drum shares visual ques with shotgun shells
or maybe a flare gun upon further consideration
carmine sleet
Aye, like, I don't really understand why people think it's a shotgun pistol because outside of a similar shape to the Mauler, it doesn't really look or handle like a shotgun
glacial wharf
oh yeah have self dentonating armor. sounds safe...
when you die lets take 3 of my squad members with me as well
vague scroll
it's the shells @carmine sleet and the way the gun behaves in the gameplay - plus the mauler too was something of a shotgun pistol
glacial wharf
lol. im imagining a chain reaction of a battalion of them. 1 guys dies. kills 3 more then so on and so forth
in formation too
vague scroll
fusion in theory is stable, not a circumstance risk like that
it takes a very particular process for that self destruct sequence to take place
and the explosion only extends about 10 meters
glacial wharf
it would make more sense for the armor to just light up and burn away. like in rysis
crysis
that 30 feet dude. and you into formation. then next guy i less then 2 feet away
vague scroll
there's never been a story moment in Halo where a MJOLNIR suit has exploded without the explicit request by the user or a teammate activating the suit detonation sequence
and yeah it is almost 30 feet but Spartans can escape that radius pretty quick
glacial wharf
imagine. standign in formation. then somone in the battalion has a heart attack. but no one realizes it cause drill instructor is reaming them out for not clean the motorpool right....
then. POPCORN
vague scroll
yeah that's not how the suits work...
glacial wharf
well "if the user dies"
i think a fusion explosion would kill anything in its radious
vague scroll
the self destruct sequence has to be initiated manually
death does not cause automatic detonation
glacial wharf
ok. that just sounds like a design flaw.
i have pfc. johnson. sneak up and activate it
hate*
vague scroll
could do it if a Spartan was doing some kind of noble sacrifice
but otherwise, if a Spartan dies, the suit is just inert
glacial wharf
like setting it of on pfc. johnson
versed helm
Hello. Another quick question! I read it somewhere and forgot but why do the prophets need humans to activate the rings? Im referencing halo 2.
vague scroll
because humans are the chosen successors to the Forerunners (designated Reclaimers) and are the only species genetically coded to be able to use forerunner technology
cedar surge
Well engineers and hunters
So who is the person higher up who keeps letting insurrectionists know valuable unsc information
candid laurel
How would a flood infection work in a planet full of Lekgolo
I'm just trying to wrap my head around this
candid laurel
If a single spore landed in the middle of Times Square how long before were all consumed
sharp adder
less thna a hour i would say
dense pulsar
Can the flood survive a tactical nuke?
dense pulsar
Nova bomb type beat
cedar surge
Sai
keyminds is a blanket term
a flood form that controls and direct other flood forms
cedar surge
why? it makes sense to me
the proto gravemind, juggernaught,gravemind, and planet sized gravemind all control flood
it makes sense to put them under one type
candid laurel
oh well that confused me
still my point still stand
nukes won't hurt planet sized graveminds
cedar surge
the nova bomb
stiff creek
Planet-sized Gravemind is what the older keyminds are.
stiff creek
I was saying I like that more than the keyminds just being commander Flood.
Sounded like you were trying a rebuttal.
cedar surge
oh
stiff creek
My apologies.
stiff creek
Don't think so.
Unless they just don't exist anymore.
Which I hope isn't the case...
Meh.
cedar surge
they still exist
stiff creek
Yeah?
stiff creek
vague scroll
gravemind just refers to any large concentration of a Flood control conscience in it's collective
at least it's been redefined as such
cedar surge
why wasnt etra harborage have a gravemind or become a planet sized one by halo wars
the entire outside was covered by flood
vague scroll
because there wasn't enough higher order intelligence to construct a gravemind from
the Flood was forced to rely on local wildlife
cedar surge
well in 2 there wasnt any sentiant life yet a gravemind was still able to form
vague scroll
and at the time only recently started encountering the Covenant and UNSC as potential hosts by time of Halo Wars
that's one of Halo 2's big mysteries
aka referring to one of the circumstances that HiddenXperia coined as "Meddlers"
candid laurel
i looked it up the Gravemind on Alpha Halo was overlooked by the forerunner and stayed hidden
cedar surge
yea but
how did it form
also going back to a conversaition earlier
i asked f the losses in ships for the covenant were big for the covenant due to them having way less ships at the first and second battle for earth
vague scroll
Halo 2 was Delta Halo, not Alpha Halo (Halo CE)
no, the Covenant had many ships but the loss of High Charity certainly set their naval and military capabilities back
Regret's fleet during the first battle was an expeditionary unit and was small because Regret didn't know of the defenses he would face
cedar surge
the covenant was not just high charity though
vague scroll
Truth's forces were limited due to most his vessels coming from Covenant loyalists that survived the battle of High Charity
cedar surge
it was just the capital
vague scroll
yes but the loss of the capital and the start of a civil war meant that there weren't many available ships to use
either many ships were lost from fighting at High Charity or were tied up fighting the civil war in other parts of Covenant space
in the book First Strike, Blue Team destroyed a Covenant refit station that was hosting an invasion fleet intended for Earth that had over 300 starships, all were destroyed
Earth got really lucky
inner basin
There was also Xytan Jar’ Wattinree’s Covenant Separatist Fleet. About 2/3 of it was destroyed in GoO
dusty prawn
He was so tall
dusty prawn
I bet you could walk under his legs like it's a door way and he wouldn't even notice
what he was like 11'? I know they theorize some of it was high shoes and some hologram thing but still
that's tall
inner basin
Yeah he was 11ft 6in approximately
candid laurel
that's as tall as the didact
cedar surge
He could probably carry a Spartan in each hand
lethal comet
Xytan wasnt actually that tall
He used projectors for dramatic effects
*holograms
gilded mason
I think that was from an unverified email. And Grim later confirmed that Xytan was 11+ft
cedar surge
Hey now that o think about it
That guy in morta dictata who was planning to kill billions of people at earth
Wouldn't have a ODP sniped the ship as soon as it came into range?
Or any of the home fleet?
gilded mason
I'd be surprised if the home fleet was replenished by then. Unless the usual "millions of UNSC ships now exist" thing happens.
lethal comet
And that thing had ventral beam
cedar surge
When was morta dictata?
lethal comet
2553 or 2554
cedar surge
Because the it seems the unsc has some ships to spare
Like vindication classes and strident at the battle of dratheus
lethal comet
How many escorts does the infinity actually have
cedar surge
Or the fleet that was escorting the infinity
lethal comet
In forward unto dawn they made it look like infinity had hundreds of escorts
lethal comet
look in the background as well
Look at the number of frigates
ok it may not be hundreds
But infinity definitely doesnt have that many escort ships
cedar surge
Well yea
The infinity is usually by itself
It has attached itself to other fleets before
Its main escorts are its strident
But if the movie is canon then that scene also is
Which means the unsc does have fleets as big as that up and running
Though I'm surprised that by that point the Paris class is still in use
Yea it was the Paris,autumn, and charon class along with the infinitu
@gilded mason so before the created how many ship do you think the navy had?
gilded mason
No idea.
cedar surge
At the hight of the war I think the number would have been 2000 or 2500 like echarts said. But now probably a few hundred
dense pulsar
Would a nova bomb work on forerunner stuff?
dense pulsar
Then why don't they just blow Cortana up
gilded mason
She's kinda in the Domain
lethal comet
They could just lure all the guardians then deploy a nova
dense pulsar
#BlowupCortana2020
vague scroll
@cedar surge @lethal comet what you’re thinking of is Battlegroup Dakota, they only make an appearance in the level Halo 4 Midnight and in the epilogue of Halo 4 Forward Unto Dawn
It’s escorts include Paris-class heavy frigates , Autumn-class heavy cruisers, Poseidon-class light carriers, Vindication-class battleships, and Strident-class heavy frigates.
dense pulsar
What class was PoA?
cedar surge
Halcyon
@vague scroll i thought it said that battlegroup only had 7 ships
Or was it named ships
lethal comet
Its says multiple so I guess
But it doesnt say the ones we see in forward unto dawn are dakota
It just says escorts
vague scroll
There’s no established exact number, okay yeah checking again - you’re right Battlegroup Dakota is only referencing the Battlegroup at Midnight
vague scroll
That said, nothing says the Infinity was not without escorts at Requiem - the e3 2012 trailer also featured a escort group
Parises anyway were visible
dense pulsar
E3 2012 was 8 years ago. I remember the ancient evil trailers
terse lava
the requim campign
vague scroll
If doesn’t really matter but Halo 4’s visuals are inconsistent so making a big deal out of whether ships were present or not is more a waste of energy since they get dropped from the lore and never mentioned again
cedar surge
Yea like how pelicans were massive when going into the autumn class
That's how it should be for frigates and destroyers
Not cruisers
terse lava
or the fact the birdge of the POA is massive in-game
lethal comet
But forward unto dawn showed alot of autumn class and paris class
vague scroll
It only showed maybe 15-30 ships
Nah, just Paris - we haven’t seen any Charon models since Halo 3
cedar surge
Halopedia says that both classes were in that scene
I wish we could ever see the autumn,Posiden,or anlace class in action
Hey wait
Do you think dakota escaped cortana?
vague scroll
Hmm, if Halopedia says so I guess but I’d have to examine it