#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 391

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 3:51 PM

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hey on halopedia it says in 2559 that some elites are still trying to kill all brutes

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so that mean the gueardians have not cracked down on them yet

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Elites aren't trying to wipe out the Jiralhanae. What page are you getting that from?

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 4:00 PM

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In 2559, some Sangheili commanders had continued hostility, gaining the upper hand in their genocidal campaign against the Jiralhanae as the latter had splintered and begun to fight among each other.

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 4:01 PM

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some Sangheili commanders.

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Not the Elites as a whole.

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 4:01 PM

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yea

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i didnt mean the whole race

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 4:03 PM

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ok

inner basin Sep 1, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Stone he never said the whole Sanghelli race to begin with
hey on halopedia it says in 2559 that ‘some’ elites are still trying to kill all brutes
Emphasis is put on the ‘some’

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 4:16 PM

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i edited it later after he pointed it out

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so he was right to crrect me

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i dont think its possible for these elites to do that

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brutes are being led by intelligent leader now

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Some brutes

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Not all brutes are Banished

echo nebula Sep 1, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Atriox is not leading all the brutes, just those that follow him

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 4:20 PM

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keepers of the one freedom

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and that brute faction the arbiter and unsc were negotiating with

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I can't help but feel like that entry was written before Halo 5 released.

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Like the short story The Return, its place in the universe seems dubious.

round comet Sep 1, 2020, 4:22 PM

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https://twitter.com/TDenningauthor/status/1300813348364316675?s=19

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apparently sacrifice isnt by troy denning

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superintendent

ornate sierra Sep 1, 2020, 4:23 PM

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cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 4:23 PM

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no

round comet Sep 1, 2020, 4:23 PM

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nope

ornate sierra Sep 1, 2020, 4:23 PM

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darn

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that sucks

round comet Sep 1, 2020, 4:24 PM

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mhm

inner basin Sep 1, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Asking for subs is the worst way to go about gaining traction

frigid reef Sep 1, 2020, 4:25 PM

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True

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 4:25 PM

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only thing worse i "sub for a sub?"

ornate sierra Sep 1, 2020, 4:25 PM

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I cant do anything about it it takes me a month to make one sone

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song

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 4:25 PM

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you have to work hard

inner basin Sep 1, 2020, 4:25 PM

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YouTube takes time and dedication. The above too

ornate sierra Sep 1, 2020, 4:26 PM

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I dont got internet at my house i cant work on it at home

inner basin Sep 1, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Sounds like a you problem

ornate sierra Sep 1, 2020, 4:27 PM

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at least listen to one of my songs

round comet Sep 1, 2020, 4:27 PM

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nah.

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 4:27 PM

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why are you asking in lore and universe anyway?

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do you make halo lore songs?

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 4:27 PM

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@ornate sierra please do not use this channel to self promote

inner basin Sep 1, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Like the short story The Return, its place in the universe seems dubious.
@feral perch What do you mean by this?

round comet Sep 1, 2020, 4:28 PM

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and i dont think self promo is allowed outside #471727324895641651

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 4:28 PM

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It’s not

ornate sierra Sep 1, 2020, 4:28 PM

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no ones on that channel

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 4:28 PM

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The Return was written before the Created conflict... It seems like it must be somewhere where Cortana isn't.

ornate sierra Sep 1, 2020, 4:29 PM

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fine by

round comet Sep 1, 2020, 4:30 PM

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the return takes place after halo 3 right

inner basin Sep 1, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Well it did look like an abandoned human colony with only some humans there fighting against Kig-Yar

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 4:30 PM

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the one where the elite go back to kholno?

inner basin Sep 1, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Yeah. Well I can’t remember the planet, but the premise is correct

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 4:31 PM

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i wonder if that plot thread is ever gonna come back

inner basin Sep 1, 2020, 4:31 PM

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It seemed fine enough as a self-contained story imo

round comet Sep 1, 2020, 4:31 PM

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yeah it was Kholo

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 4:31 PM

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the return takes place after halo 3 right
7 years after

inner basin Sep 1, 2020, 4:32 PM

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So... 2560?

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 4:32 PM

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2559-2560

round comet Sep 1, 2020, 4:32 PM

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huhhhh

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thats after halo 5

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somewhere between hw2 and infinite but yeah it shouldnt be important

inner basin Sep 1, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Yeah, but at the time of writing it, the writers likely didn’t know about The Created and Halo 5’s main plot

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 4:33 PM

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So just some shipmaster out doing his own thing unrelated to other events

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 4:33 PM

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they could be so ffar away they dont know?

round comet Sep 1, 2020, 4:34 PM

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self contained story, shouldnt be significant i guess?

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 4:34 PM

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He could know but be avoiding things like the created and Jul’s covenant and the banished

round comet Sep 1, 2020, 4:34 PM

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they could be so ffar away they dont know?

that just sounds so wrong to me, how would he not know

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idk man but then yeah it as written before they knew what was to come

inner basin Sep 1, 2020, 4:35 PM

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He is in old UNSC space. He likely does know some of the things going on (at least)

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 4:35 PM

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I mean that’s the thing with fiction

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People don’t necessarily future proof it

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Because it’s hard to

round comet Sep 1, 2020, 4:36 PM

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so its a bit of retroactive canon?

inner basin Sep 1, 2020, 4:36 PM

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I mean I think it fits pretty well in canon still. It’s just some isolated planet with a minor skirmish on it

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 4:36 PM

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It’s canon until it isn’t

round comet Sep 1, 2020, 4:36 PM

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I mean I think it fits pretty well in canon still. It’s just some isolated planet with a minor skirmish on it

okay, yeah i guess.

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 4:40 PM

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I wonder what those guys are doing now

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Why was the elite using a actual blade

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Shouldn't shipmassters have energy swords?

versed helm Sep 1, 2020, 4:46 PM

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actual blades dont require battery

fair hazel Sep 1, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Because he chose to use a traditional weapon

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 5:13 PM

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so the spears the honor guard use are actually energy weapons

versed helm Sep 1, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Weird

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 5:55 PM

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the blooding years must almost be over

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jul is dead

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with only the servants of the abiding truth left fighting the SoS

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what

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hw does a prowler destroy the arbiters ships

gilded mason Sep 1, 2020, 6:10 PM

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hw does a prowler destroy the arbiters ships```
It's Kilo-5. That answers everything.

dense pulsar Sep 1, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Is Kilo-5 not good?

gilded mason Sep 1, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Some people like it, but many others think it's pretty bad, like myself.

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 6:20 PM

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arming factions that want nothing more than the destruction of humanity

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this can only go well

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at least the created came before it blew up in ONI's face

fair hazel Sep 1, 2020, 6:22 PM

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There’s a lot of people who it’s their favourite series

gilded mason Sep 1, 2020, 6:22 PM

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We know.

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 6:29 PM

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its kind of funny seeing how many insurrectionis groups we know

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like it shows how bad the UEG is messing up

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uh

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the flood are a civilization?

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 6:30 PM

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not really

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 6:31 PM

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halopedia lists them as one

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 6:31 PM

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a civilizaiton is a collection of individuals coexisting together for mutual benefit

gilded mason Sep 1, 2020, 6:31 PM

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its kind of funny seeing how many insurrectionis groups we know
like it shows how bad the UEG is messing up
The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 6:32 PM

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the flood is effectively a single entity, there's no coexistence

versed helm Sep 1, 2020, 6:36 PM

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its like the warden

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single core

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heck load of bodies

main siren Sep 1, 2020, 6:39 PM

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The Flood's whole deal is assimilating all life into a single entity as part of their "unity"

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 6:40 PM

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does that make them a civilation?

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 6:40 PM

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nah

versed helm Sep 1, 2020, 6:43 PM

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a civilisation has multiple faecets

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the flood is assimilating everything into a singular entity

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 6:52 PM

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The Flood is basically the Borg

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and other extreme oversimplifications!

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 6:53 PM

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afaik the borg weren't born from a vindictive origin bent on causing suffering and death

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the borg's antagonism is purely amoral and academic

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 6:54 PM

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yes I was joking

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 6:55 PM

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also one could argue that there is a benefit from joining the borg

fair hazel Sep 1, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Technically halopedia lists them under intergalactic contemporary movement.

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 6:56 PM

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yea i said that

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 6:56 PM

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One could argue that there was a benefit to joining Halo 3 era flood

fair hazel Sep 1, 2020, 6:56 PM

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You said civilization no?

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 6:56 PM

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there is also 13 insurrctionist group there

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yea civilization

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i didnt specify

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 6:56 PM

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One could argue that there was a benefit to joining Halo 3 era flood
Yea, but that Flood was retconned

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no longer is the flood simply a misunderstood organism trying to live its best life

fair hazel Sep 1, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Well what I said still stands then

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 6:57 PM

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since when

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has the flood ever been that

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 6:57 PM

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it was that before Greg Bear

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 6:57 PM

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its very existance makes other species suffer

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 6:57 PM

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so does human existence but we don't call ourselves evil

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Or did the Flood mellow over time? Or... was it Karen Traviss who retconned it with Human Weakness (which I have not read)?

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 6:58 PM

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they aim to asimilate all life

clever fable Sep 1, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Plenty of people call humans evil, but they're usually just being edgy.

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 6:58 PM

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pre-Greg Bear flood was just following a biological imperative

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 6:58 PM

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last time i checked we are not a parasitic hivemind

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 6:58 PM

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it was no more evil than a wasp that lays its eggs in a spider

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a virus isn't evil because it infects organisms, it's only doing what evolution designed it to do

fair hazel Sep 1, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Sometimes it seems that way lance.

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Well, the Flood is sentient. Neither of those creatures are.

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 6:59 PM

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well mob metallity

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 7:00 PM

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The Gravemind has free will, but bugs don’t

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:00 PM

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the Flood's only method of survival is to feed and grow.

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to choose not to would be choosing death

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Apparently they don’t need to feed on anything more than plants and fauna.

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Halo 2 Gravemind and all

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:01 PM

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if you take into account the lore Greg Bear added, sure

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certianly the flood as it exists now is an evil entitity

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but I'm talking about the flood before that retcon

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Eh, I don’t think it’s necessary to add Greg Bear’s stuff. We know the Flood can survive on just animals and plants, but it chooses to feast on sentient beings.

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Is it a recon if its just adding lore?

fair hazel Sep 1, 2020, 7:02 PM

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I wouldn’t call it a retcon

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:03 PM

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it retconned the reason for the flood's existence

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Did it though?

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 7:03 PM

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What was the original explanation?

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:03 PM

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the Halo 3 terminals presented the flood as an organism that considered itself the final evolutionary stage of biological life

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much like the borg

fair hazel Sep 1, 2020, 7:04 PM

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That still holds truth to it

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 7:04 PM

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that doesn’t have to do with its origins though

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Yea

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:04 PM

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and that Forerunner resistance was simply delaying the inevitable

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 7:04 PM

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The precursors said that the flood will soon be all life

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Life will continue through the flood

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:04 PM

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it wasn't a vindictive creature seeking revenge, it was just living its life normally for itself

fair hazel Sep 1, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Imagine observing a contained shield world where the flood infected everyone inside

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But they can’t get out

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:05 PM

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a shark may be evil to a fish because it denies fish its life but from the outside, a shark isn't actually evil

fair hazel Sep 1, 2020, 7:05 PM

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And you just manage to observe

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 7:05 PM

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I wouldn’t put it past the Forerunners. What morons they were.

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 7:05 PM

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@humble yacht bit what if it was devouring all fish in the ocean

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 7:06 PM

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It was such a bad idea to leave Flood specimens alive

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Yea

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Even after all that timr

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Still no cure

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:06 PM

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sharks eat based on their hunger

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they evolved to only eat as much as they need to

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 7:06 PM

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But the flood keep and keep on going

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:06 PM

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but even if they overate, it wouldn't be malicious intent

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let's say you bring an invasive species over and it takes over another species

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Ecentually it will devour all life and starve

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:07 PM

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that's not evil

fair hazel Sep 1, 2020, 7:07 PM

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You need to be able to reason

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And the flood still reasoned

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Sharks are not sentient. The Flood is.

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:08 PM

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you're thinking of it from a human perspective

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which is only natural

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 7:08 PM

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it’s not like you can think of it from a different perspective

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:09 PM

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no but you can recognize that good and evil are human constructs and something inherently non-human is not necessarily bound to those rules

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amorality is not the same as immorality

fair hazel Sep 1, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Good and evil are based on morality

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Pre-Bear flood was amoral, but post-bear flood is immoral

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 7:09 PM

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I don’t believe good and evil are human constructs. The rest I agree with.

fair hazel Sep 1, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Anything which can reason moraly, and the flood with grave mind could reason, has morality. Or something like that

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And hey. Thinking about it form human perspective? Well the flood already absobered human perspective

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Pre-bear Flood was definitely immoral because it intentionally caused torment and sorrow to sentient beings when it had no need to.

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:11 PM

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i mean, that's only under the assumption that morality and intelligence are related

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that morality is a result of a certain level of intelligence

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Ah yes, the Typhon having no mirror synapses is an interesting exploration of that

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in Prey 2017

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:13 PM

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in the anime Parasite, the aliens that take over humans appear evil to the protagonist, but the alien in his arm is confused by his labeling of them, because even though it is intelligent (moreso than the protag himself in terms of learning capacity and capability), as a lifeform it evolved only with a sense of self concern

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Interesting.

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:15 PM

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it questions why the protag is so shocked about the other parasites eating people when that's simply their function as lifeforms. and it even postulates whether the protag is evil for eating animal products

versed helm Sep 1, 2020, 7:15 PM

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That anime is pretty cool

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:16 PM

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now sure, some humans say eating meat is evil but I don't subscribe to that philosophy

versed helm Sep 1, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Ill eat just about anything as long as its yummy in my tummy

carmine sleet Sep 1, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Chimera, why do I want to see that but with Venom instead of whatever the parasite is from that anime?

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:17 PM

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the venom movie feels like a very dumbed down version of Parasyte, now that I think about it

carmine sleet Sep 1, 2020, 7:17 PM

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I need to rewatch it at some point

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:19 PM

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but in all, i found the pre-bear flood to be a more compelling entity because it wasn't so cut-and-dry "evil"

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hence why i originally called it "misunderstood"

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of course, that nuance has been abandoned in favor of a more traditional sense of evil

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Just cause its misunderstood doesntske it right for everyone else to doe

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The flood used neural physics right

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:26 PM

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what's good for the scorpion is not what's good for the frog

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Ripping open holes in reality

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:27 PM

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The flood used neural physics right
Greag Bear Flood did, yes

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Why not try to open holes to the ark to invade it with flood

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 7:27 PM

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the ark was outside the galaxy

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but they used star roads on the Greater Ark and destroyed it, so there you go

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 7:42 PM

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People are pointing out that on the front of jega's chest plate is the same marking that is on eschiurm forehead

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Covenant canon did

dense pulsar Sep 1, 2020, 8:04 PM

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What even are the tenants of the covenant?

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Like other than Forerunners being gods, what exactly do they do to show praise? Whats a sin to them?

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 8:05 PM

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well the most major of sins would be allowing the damage or destruction of a forerunner artifact

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disobeying the prophets would be a sin

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since the covenant are so militaristic, it seems that military service is a form of worship to them

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their way of being worthy of the Great Journey

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Yea

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The covenant declared a genocidal war against the hunters for eating covenant relics until they found that some are around them

hard temple Sep 1, 2020, 9:27 PM

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I'm looking to start reading all the Halo books. Is there a particular order I should read them? I heard somewhere that I should start with Fall of Reach.

gilded mason Sep 1, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Go with release order, yes.

hard temple Sep 1, 2020, 9:28 PM

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Ok thanks

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 9:47 PM

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"We are outnumbered and we are outgunned but our spirit is stronger. Wars may be fought with weapons, but they are won with soul."

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anybody want to argue against this?

gilded mason Sep 1, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Sounds like a platitude

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 9:50 PM

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both the UEG and insurrection are angering to read about

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well

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angering is overdramtic

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but still

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insurrectionists attacking peace meetings as if they want to die to covenant remnants

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and trying to topple humanities biggest defender (although also jerks) while humanity is vulnerable

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and the ueg for trampling over the outercolonies

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and sabotaging their only ally

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the only good person

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i wonder where the new spartan armor was made

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and how the unsc is getting the materials

meager delta Sep 1, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Can someone help me with the beginning of the Halo universe

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like a time line or something

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 10:00 PM

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so you see during the interplanetary war

meager delta Sep 1, 2020, 10:00 PM

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yeah

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 10:01 PM

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wait no, the precursors seeding life in the universe

meager delta Sep 1, 2020, 10:01 PM

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when the forruners choose the humans

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 10:01 PM

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no

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the precursors choose the humans for the mantle

gilded mason Sep 1, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Or, at least, chose them to be tested.

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 10:02 PM

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so the forerunners"killed most of the precursors out of anger"

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which millions of years later due to coruption lead to the creation of the flood

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 10:03 PM

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Anger, or fear

gilded mason Sep 1, 2020, 10:03 PM

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And the Precursors might have been preparing to eradicate the Forerunners beforehand, which led to the retribution. Maybe.

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 10:03 PM

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the flood,whose goal is to assimilate all life,then attacked ancient humanity

meager delta Sep 1, 2020, 10:03 PM

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yeah precursors mb im a little rusty with the lore

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Tbh you’re better off just typing “precursors” into halopedia and reading up like that

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 10:04 PM

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ancient humanity then started glassing worlds to destroy the flood,includig forerunner worlds

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and the forerunners did not get warned

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yea

humble yacht Sep 1, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Anything you get here will be woefully simplified

gilded mason Sep 1, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Indeed

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 10:04 PM

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this would take a hour or two to get evrything

meager delta Sep 1, 2020, 10:05 PM

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I'll do that and thanks though

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 10:06 PM

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also to let you know

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 10:42 PM

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sports leagues, do they still exist? in human colonies

vague scroll Sep 1, 2020, 10:43 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Galactic_Grifball_League

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 10:46 PM

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so spartan 4s are sports teams now

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hey wait a sec

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dosnt mjlnior have lights that are energy projectors?

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the new armor does not have any

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 11:10 PM

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"UNSC expeditionary forces that managed to avoid the Created's Guardians were able to regroup with the Swords of Sanghelios on Sanghelios" does this mean just the infinity?

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or a few other ships and fleets

junior compass Sep 1, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Can anyone give me an approximate max speed for say, the UNSC Forward Unto Dawn? Not slipspace, just normal.

sharp adder Sep 1, 2020, 11:20 PM

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same as the pther convered colonyl to war ships

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 11:24 PM

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i think 343 said they wont name speed for starships

vague scroll Sep 1, 2020, 11:27 PM

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they're not going to give those data points

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@cedar surge The reunion on Sanghelios is referring to the events of Halo: Bad Blood where Teams Osiris, Blue, Palmer, and Halsey hanged out on Sanghelios for a a short BBQ with the Arbiter and his Swords before being picked up by Infinity the next morning. They didn't stay very long.

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 11:29 PM

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oh

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i wish that was more specific

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actually wait

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it listed canon fodder as its source

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and in the article on a warthog it says expiditionary forces are engaging the storm covenant and created scouts

vague scroll Sep 1, 2020, 11:31 PM

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ah then that's another matter, didn't realize that was in a Cannon Fodder but if that's the case - it is indeed canon

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directly from the source

feral perch Sep 1, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Storm Covenant?

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Have they canonized that term?

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 11:32 PM

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no

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thats just what i cal them

vague scroll Sep 1, 2020, 11:32 PM

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storm covenant is still a cool name, even if it's just become a fan-only denomination for Jul's forces

cedar surge Sep 1, 2020, 11:32 PM

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easier than just calling them jul mdamas covenant over and over again

candid laurel Sep 2, 2020, 12:53 AM

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You know whats a cool name truth and reconciliation

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Also shadow of intent, pillar of autumn, forward unto dawn, amber in clad

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All sound so cool

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Dawn under heaven

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The PoA sister ship

candid laurel Sep 2, 2020, 12:57 AM

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Fleet of particular justice, spirit of fire

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Whoever names these ships

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Well the unsc infinity

candid laurel Sep 2, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Infinity soundds cool but it will never beat pillar of autumn

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Pillar of Autumn is quite nice.

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So is Spirit of Fire. But the best one is the UNSC Say My Name.

candid laurel Sep 2, 2020, 1:01 AM

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I like forward unto dawn the best

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And after that probably in amber clad

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So poetic

signal inlet Sep 2, 2020, 1:05 AM

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who remembers henry the elite lol

candid laurel Sep 2, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Must be best buds wtih craig

signal inlet Sep 2, 2020, 1:08 AM

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lol no unfortunately, he's from the mona lisa

unique rune Sep 2, 2020, 1:13 AM

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Oh how convenient it is that I've read Broken Circle and Shadow of Intent
Can use them as examples for a class I'm taking

candid laurel Sep 2, 2020, 1:13 AM

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What class

unique rune Sep 2, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Something about comparing sci fi from around the world

Just using them for a response in a basic 'what is sci-fi' sort of discussion at the moment

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 1:15 AM

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who remembers henry the elite lol
Do we know which one took the pod? I haven’t read the Mona Lisa in like forever and it’s never covered in the adaptation

unique rune Sep 2, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Pretty sure it isn't covered in the original text either

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Just left ambiguous

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And I don't believe any newer media has gone back to give a definitive answer

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 1:17 AM

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I wasn’t suggesting it was covered in the original text because God I really can’t remember it since it was so long ago. I was mainly wondering if it was covered in any other media

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But you answered that question

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I think most people just assume Henry survived considering he’s an Elite and more stronger than a regular unaugmented human, but maybe the lack of gear (besides a bat) on Henry’s part makes it more fair?

candid laurel Sep 2, 2020, 1:20 AM

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Oooh i did this before for highschool assignment

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When i answered what scifi was i said it was a genre of fiction which has elements of science to it

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A good example of scifi in halo is forerunner trilogy

humble yacht Sep 2, 2020, 4:13 AM

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All of halo is sci fi

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The forerunner trilogy is probably closer to science fantasy

past prawn Sep 2, 2020, 4:41 AM

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What happened to col holland

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Don't know

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Probably died in fall of reach

candid laurel Sep 2, 2020, 4:55 AM

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just got myself thinking since Halo Spartans are based on ancient Greeks in history the Covenant do they got the equivalent to Persian Immortals

tulip grail Sep 2, 2020, 8:00 AM

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Probably the Arbiter since it’s a title passed on in death.

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The Immortals ranks are reinforced after each death so they’re kept more or less at full strength.

dense pulsar Sep 2, 2020, 8:44 AM

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If the rings had been fired again, would there have been another re-seeding effort by the Monitors, Sentinels, and remaining Forerunner AI?

candid laurel Sep 2, 2020, 9:09 AM

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probably because everyone would be dead

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 12:12 PM

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What happened to col holland
Poor guy lost his remaining team of Spartans to ONI

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 12:17 PM

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so did the covenant won the battle for earth just due to plot armor?

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 12:23 PM

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No the unsc fleet litrelly got wiped. Out basically but they maged to escape to the others side 2th planet but the covie fleet took a worse beating than the unsf because of all the mac. Platforms

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 12:25 PM

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yea the original fleet that attacked earth only had a CAS left

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until truth smashed through the fleet and defense platforms again with a second fleet

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6but what 6i do call plot armor

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is how the covenant managed to sneak a 29 km long ship over reach

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and no one noticed

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 12:48 PM

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Seriously someone on reach had to notice that no meteorites were entering atmosphere

craggy sierra Sep 2, 2020, 12:56 PM

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If the rings had been fired again, would there have been another re-seeding effort by the Monitors, Sentinels, and remaining Forerunner AI?
@dense pulsar no because the forerunners had to run around and collect all the DNA samples for that by hand before the rings were fired. I doubt everyone would be okay with Prometheans running around jabbing them and their pets with syringes to get blood samples.

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The last re-seeding was the result of years of effort. If the rings are getting fired now a days it’s going to be a relatively in the moment event that doesn’t have those years of forethought put before it

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:14 PM

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20 odps could hold off a entire invasion force,but 300 can't

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:17 PM

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tbf reach was literally the unsc military hq

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Don't forget it was clocked

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Still no meteorites must have been an anomaly

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:21 PM

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And also it was in a uninhabited area of reach

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True or maybe they used a massive metor storm to cover it plus those spirals also help hide it

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:26 PM

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spirals?

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Spires you mean

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I dunno

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Didnt look very uninhabited

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:26 PM

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Yes

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:27 PM

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There were factories and power plants

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:27 PM

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reach is a 400 year old colony6

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:27 PM

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I mean that area of reach

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:27 PM

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people aare going to be all over666

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:27 PM

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It wasn't all cities

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:27 PM

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That area had mining industries

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:27 PM

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not to mention the sensor grid

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:27 PM

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yeah

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:28 PM

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Yes small ones with clocked covie base and ship

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:28 PM

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And you'd think they monitored the whole system

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:28 PM

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And colineist miners with illegal weapons

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:28 PM

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Cause there are 2 big colonies and the unsc hq

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:28 PM

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you dont need cities to notice a 29km ship

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:28 PM

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They were literally in the UNSC's backyard

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:29 PM

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the sensor grid was all over reach

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:29 PM

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They did but think unsc couldn't reLlly dexter anything clocked ules it moved or was bumped into

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:29 PM

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detect anything?

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:29 PM

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And they can detect slipspace anomalies

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:29 PM

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the ammount of radition the ship should be giving off

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Not if it came in out of sensor range

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:30 PM

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There isn't anything non suspicious as a 30km long asteroid

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Or they temporarily disabled it

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:30 PM

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boi it is in sensor range

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it was right over reach

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:30 PM

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They can sense the whole system boy

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They literally have probe deployment stations

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They can monitor other systems as well

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:31 PM

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But remember the spires are what kept it hiden they were probably three before the ship got their

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:31 PM

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no

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:31 PM

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no

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The spires must have took time to deploy

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:31 PM

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they set up the spires after the CSO got there

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:31 PM

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Im pretty sure the pire hid the ship partly

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Oh well it was in low power and cloaked

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:32 PM

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And you cant hide a 30 km long ship at a fortress' doorstep

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:32 PM

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And if it moved slow enough it would not be decked

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:32 PM

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thats like trying to sneak into a countrys capital using a aircraft carirrer

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thats not how it works

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Well the covermt were more advanced and the unsc didn't think the covie would get to reach so soon

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:33 PM

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oh yes they did

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the unsc knew the covenant were coming to reach soon

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Tgey weren't prepared for a full invasion

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:34 PM

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oni knew about the invasion and didnt tell everyone

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Or well but the nuclear mind feild was always there

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oni knew about the invasion and didnt tell everyone
@cedar surge that wouldn't surprise me at all

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:35 PM

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they were going to try to capture the CSO for operati6on red flag

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:35 PM

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Because ONI is going to ONI

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they were going to try to capture the CSO for operati6on red flag
@cedar surge yeah but they had the pillar tf autumn as backup

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:37 PM

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And I dont think red flag would have been succesful

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:37 PM

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not it any way6

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:38 PM

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about 20-25 spartans against hundreds of thousand of covenant

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:38 PM

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You never know well even if they did caputing the prohets or any of them would not have stopped the war

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:38 PM

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On their turf

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In the biggest covenant ship ever encountered

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:38 PM

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if they had a few hundred 3s then maybe6

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:38 PM

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Yes lots of spatan lls and llls

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:39 PM

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lance is something wrong with your keyboard

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:39 PM

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yes

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:39 PM

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It would have been great ch9as to there advantage

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:39 PM

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it keeps out of nowhere typing 6

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:40 PM

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I read it like carter giving orders

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not it any way6
Not in any way 6

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if they had a few hundred 3s then maybe6
If they had a few hundred IIIs, six

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Ok, so let me get this straight, Blob thinks that it was easy for the Covenant to get the Long Night of Solace in position over Reach because they think the area filled with mines and stuff was abandoned and the UNSC wouldn't have detected something that big?

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:42 PM

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yea

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 1:42 PM

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Blob, you do realise that sensor grids on Reach literally cover the entire planet, the Covenant didn't just get a ship that big into an area like that by finding a blind spot

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The fleet had to enter the system cloaked to avoid detection, then they deployed the teleportation spires and stealth pylons to hide their activities on the planet's surface

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:45 PM

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I know that the easy part was getting the ship off the planet

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:45 PM

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getting the ship,off?

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:45 PM

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The fun part was actually getting below atmosphere

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 1:46 PM

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The Long Night never landed on the surface, it remained cloaked in space/high atmosphere

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:46 PM

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you mean destroying it

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:47 PM

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Only the corvettes and cas ships came to surface

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 1:47 PM

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They ferried troops and resources to and from the surface of Reach using smaller ships or the aforementioned teleportation spires

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 1:47 PM

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Well th3 eastes part was destroying the unsc ship that destroyed the spire

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 1:48 PM

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The "eastes"? What? You mean easy?

unique rune Sep 2, 2020, 1:48 PM

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what does destroying the Grafton have to do with any of this

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 1:49 PM

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I don't know either

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:50 PM

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In fall of reach they deployed drop ships first

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Then smaller ships

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And we saw that corvettes got into the atmosphere without detection in reach

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The corvette that attacked sword base

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 1:51 PM

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The fall of Reach within the Fall of Reach novel happens later on than the arrival of the Long Night

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Basically, the game contradicts a bunch of stuff in the novel and 343i have, over the past however many years, been patching up the issues presented by both the novel and the game being canon

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:52 PM

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I meant possibilty

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The zealot team in winter contingency most definitely came from dropships

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And probably camoflaged ships at that

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since Jun didnt see any dropships till they came close to deploy

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 1:55 PM

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so the fall of reach is after halo reach right

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 1:57 PM

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It's weird, I'd have to go find Halo Canon's timeline video again and rewatch it. Timelines aren't exactly my speciality

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Which is a little ironic, honestly, given my love for time travel in media

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 1:59 PM

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I just go with head canon in fall of reach

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Its a mix of both reach and fall of reach

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And Reach didnt fall in a day

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:01 PM

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even if the covenant showed up with a lot of force

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having reach fall in a day would be dumb

humble yacht Sep 2, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Tell that to all the Nylund fans postums

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:02 PM

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its a entire planet with millions of marines and odsts with around 40 spartans

terse lava Sep 2, 2020, 2:05 PM

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which would be a non-issue really, just glass them

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Only reason they deployed on the surface in the first place was because of Forerunner artefacts like the one under Sword Base

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:06 PM

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plus having to land to take down orbital generators

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 2:07 PM

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In fall of reach they didnt land ships straight

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away

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they sent in drop ships from orbit since the platforms cant hit em

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In halo reach they didnt fire at the corvette was because they didnt want to make sword base a massive crater

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:09 PM

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what about groundside mac canons

terse lava Sep 2, 2020, 2:10 PM

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they went after those too

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:13 PM

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oh wait

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 2:14 PM

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If bungie used the power of the canonical super macs

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Then there would have been a massive earthquake and a tsunami

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:14 PM

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yea this discussion started because i said that the covenant landed at earth because of plot

terse lava Sep 2, 2020, 2:14 PM

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welll...yeah, they went to earth for the ar portal

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:16 PM

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i mean

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getting past the grid

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plot armor

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 2:17 PM

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What do you guys think the ONI archives are leading up to

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Each episode says something about a new threat and that ONI has found it

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:18 PM

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i think its either the banished or harbinger

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i wonder if its somethng new or just another covenant remnant

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Maybe the ONI archives are the hunt the truth equivalent for infinite

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Marketting

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:27 PM

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so spartan IVs play through the games as simulations right

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 2:28 PM

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yes

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That means

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Grifball is canon

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:29 PM

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no i mean playing through master chiefs and rookies and 6's fghts and battles

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 2:30 PM

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no

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That replay thing only appears in spartan strike and spartan assault

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:31 PM

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really could have sworn that they used the MCC to train

terse lava Sep 2, 2020, 2:32 PM

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no, that's multiplayer

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Only h4 and h5 mp use simulations

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and the simulations are randomly generated environment for combat traing

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 2:37 PM

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It's been said that all the maps from the older games exist canonically within the simulations

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 2:39 PM

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And technically Red vs blue is canon as well

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The show not the plot

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:39 PM

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what?

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how are they canon?

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they dont fit in the lore\

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how is red vs blue canon

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you mean red team and blue team fighting each other?

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 2:43 PM

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No

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The show rvb

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Like the machinima exists

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:44 PM

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in canon

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 2:44 PM

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yes

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:44 PM

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how

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Halsey watched it

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You can see it in her diary and halsey's lab

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:47 PM

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so who made the show

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it couldnt have been spartan 2s or 3s

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Red Vs Blue is definitely not canon to Halo. Halsey's lab is literally just a room filled with Easter Eggs, most that you don't see in the cutscene

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:48 PM

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oh wait easter eggs

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easter eggs are not canon

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Depends on the Easter Egg but the Easter Egg room is filled with non-canon eggs

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Like, a good canon Easter Egg is the screen in CEA which shows Linda's vitals from her Cryopod

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Either way, Red Vs Blue is not canon to Halo, it's canon to Red Vs Blue

versed helm Sep 2, 2020, 2:50 PM

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Big brain time

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I’d like, like

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Some RvB characters referenced in the Halo series, like a soft canonising

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Or at least similar events that leave room for the interpretation

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:52 PM

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well donut,sarge,simmons,and grif were in 3

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 2:52 PM

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The password lacking marines

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:52 PM

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behind a door

versed helm Sep 2, 2020, 2:52 PM

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But only up until season 13, none of that other blah

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Oh yeah

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Yeah that was cool

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 2:52 PM

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And yeah no, they aren't going to be able to soft canonise RvB into Halo, it'd be very messy to try and make it fit

versed helm Sep 2, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Not if it’s soft and squishy

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:53 PM

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yea as much as i like RvB that would be a bad idea

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Red Vs Blue is fine existing as this weird web series that uses Halo games to be created in, it doesn't need to be part of the actual Halo canon though

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:54 PM

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because in red vs blue the covenant are only elites,spartans dont exist, there are robot gods wearing spartan suits,covenant tech is forerunner tech

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and etc

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oh yea and in the newer season there will be fire demons

versed helm Sep 2, 2020, 2:54 PM

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No but think of, for example — an ONI division focused on a certain project, and it implies the existence of HAYABUSA and FREELANCER in conjunction with the spartans and mjolnir

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That stuff

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:55 PM

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see thats fine

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its a reference

versed helm Sep 2, 2020, 2:55 PM

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@cedar surge I mean more like Halo has it’s own filter of similar events happening

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 2:55 PM

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References don't equal making something canon

versed helm Sep 2, 2020, 2:55 PM

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But not in perfect order

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:55 PM

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spartans dont exist in the RvB universe

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Like, the whole of Project Freelancer would not fit into Halo without major changes

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 2:55 PM

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I feel that a reboot/reimagining of Halo is perfectly justified because of the disconnect between the OT and actual canon. By deliberately omitting core aspects of Chief's character and misconceptions arising from how the games portray character relationships and lore, there's a case to be made that much of the series' narrative cohesiveness and integrity is stuck between a rock and a hard place trying to please everyone (Chief is NOT the Last Spartan! Precursors were NOT a 343 creation! Cortana was NOT created with Forerunner technology!]

How could this reboot/reimagining work? Hire entirely new but experienced writers who have never played Halo and school them on The Fall of Reach, the Covenant empire and how they work, the history of the Forerunners, flood and ancient Humanity, and the accurate personalities and relationships of Chief, Cortana, Blue Team and co. Have the writers not feel pressured to be hyperreactionary towards criticism and to only take such into account when they know that it would improve the story for the better (We do NOT want another Halo 5). How would Halo have been written differently if these lore elements were there from the very beginning would be a fun challenge and benefit narrative cohesiveness in the long run.

Anyway this is something unpopular I need to get off my chest.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:56 PM

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no

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343 did that already

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and you would be erasing 20 years of lore

versed helm Sep 2, 2020, 2:56 PM

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@carmine sleet I know, but they’d still be recognisable. It could easily be done and make the reader go “oooh, RvB nice”

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Halo is not getting rebooted. The only reboot that is happening is a spiritual reboot, everything is still canon apart from anything to do with 1337

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 2:57 PM

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thats like erasing all star wars lore and movies after a new hope and trying to restart over again

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not only are you going to anger everybody who liked the newer and older stuff

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the series is too big to reboot everything

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what disney did is make the movies canon and slowly introdue legends stuff

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its like playing a very long video game

versed helm Sep 2, 2020, 3:00 PM

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If external media becomes too much of a problem, they can easily write over it to be more appropriate for the game direction

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disney prequeled the SW series

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:00 PM

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and then having to restart the whole game over again

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 3:00 PM

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To be fair on Star Wars, there was allot of bad stuff in the old legends continuity, sure there was some good stuff but... It had a whole load of bad things

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:00 PM

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web bungie did that

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and people didnt like that

versed helm Sep 2, 2020, 3:01 PM

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For good reason, lol

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web bungie did that
@Dr.Lance#8076

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Obviously people didn’t like it, but the games come first no matter what

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Books are a guide at best

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Books and games are on the same level under 343i in terms of what's canon

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 3:03 PM

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@cedar surge No series is safe from the evil scary reboot button
And I don't want a reboot/reimagining of Halo in my lifetime, but there is a case to be made that one for Halo is reasonable.

versed helm Sep 2, 2020, 3:03 PM

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Until the crossroads come into the fray too much. Well, if a campaign director wants to go into a direction which doesn’t line up perfectly with where said character was in some old book, they shouldn’t have that kind of burden

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:04 PM

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no it is not.thats pulling the plug on all lore. if everything people like is suddenly gone. why should they care anymore

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Until the crossroads come into the fray too much. Well, if a campaign director wants to go into a direction which doesn’t line up perfectly with where said character was in some old book, they shouldn’t have that kind of burden
The world is so expansive and unfilled that this shouldn’t have to happen

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:10 PM

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this is a entire universe

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this barely ever happens

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 3:11 PM

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The world is so expansive and unfilled that this shouldn’t have to happen
Looks at the Halo TV Show
And yet the Halo Universe instantly collapses when there's no SPARTANS or chief on screen, got it, general audiences.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:12 PM

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you do know thats from a fan tv show right?

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 3:13 PM

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No, i'm talking about the upcoming TV show starring Chief.
The exact same happened with the old Star Wars EU where writers thought that every single Star Wars story needed a Jedi in it.

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Halo has told plenty of stories without Chief or Spartans in them

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Yes, but the general audience can't survive without one.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:13 PM

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yes they can

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halo 3 odst

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the same way jedi and sith are important for star wars stories but many are told without the two

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Who's the quote face of Halo? Chief
And what is Chief? A SPARTAN.
To general audiences Halo is only defined by Master Chief

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:15 PM

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its the same way JEDI are the face of star wars

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Rogue One says hi

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 3:16 PM

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It’s a shame that the show couldn’t pull another Spartan into the mix. Why not have a Spartan-III? Why not? People really can’t tell the difference between the two if both are wearing Mjolnir

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:16 PM

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many sci fi universe or universes in general where the universe collapes without the main character or people

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halo is not special in thiis regard

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space marines are the face of 40k

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jedi the face of star wars

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shepard for mass effect

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Who's the quote face of Halo? Chief
And what is Chief? A SPARTAN.
To general audiences Halo is only defined by Master Chief
@shut dew
Those people aren't true halo fans or believers of halo

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:18 PM

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should they be rebooted because of it?

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Those people aren't true halo fans or believers of halo
Don't gatekeep because people don't know who characters from the expanded lore are

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:19 PM

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most universes collapse without the main characheter

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many universes are defined by those characters or people

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 3:20 PM

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"If you don't inject the right bits of fan service [into a Halo movie/TV show] the directors will [face immense backlash from the fandom/general audiences]"

Some guy on reddit, but he's 100% correct on this

This is why any Halo movie or video game movie in general even post-Detective Pikachu are going to struggle with critics.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:20 PM

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your source is

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a rando on reddit?

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 3:20 PM

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Meh i love halo because of it not because of the important main characters

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But Johnsone death did hit me hard

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Johnson's death isn't relevant to you trying to gatekeep the franchise, Blob

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 3:21 PM

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At least he went out with a bang

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:21 PM

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gatekeeping is not good

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escpecially if they stuff like "IF YU DONT LIKE THE ORIGINAL GAMES YOU ARE NOT A TRUE HALO FAN"

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 3:24 PM

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He was my favourite non augemed human 2nd came Dubbo

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:28 PM

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plus people recognize that reach and odst are still halo without master chief

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Yeah reach is one of best games

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:29 PM

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of course spartans are the face of the franchise and integeral to the lore,but stories can still be told without them

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Yewr like the one with the prison ship and the flood

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:31 PM

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when they reach enough biomass at the coordinated stage toproduce them

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 3:31 PM

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The spres are mad from the flood

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Tiny ells comming through the not nedee lungs spreading everywhere

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Tiny ells comming through the not nedee lungs spreading everywhere
@sharp adder https://imgur.com/gallery/APsJHNw

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Not suprised someone did same but with planet killer Gildora

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Found the reddit thread I was talking about, scroll down towards the botton
https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/35nw7o/why_dont_we_have_a_halo_movie_yet/

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 3:35 PM

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So the infected produce them?

L
Yes
@versed helm
Yes

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:35 PM

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super cells coming together to form a flood spore

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Yep

humble yacht Sep 2, 2020, 3:36 PM

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they're using the term spore wrong, if that's the case

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Well it's easier than trying to explain how the neelder works

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:41 PM

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tenth you talking about unreal donnie?

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 3:43 PM

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??????????????????????????????????????????????

chrome hearth Sep 2, 2020, 3:43 PM

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anyone up for watching one of the Halo Movies?

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:45 PM

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tenth i dont see the qoute

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though i do see some good arguemnets

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though it has the same problem of 40k

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 3:47 PM

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@cedar surge Here it was, written by the user unrealdonie:

Let's face it, nerd communities can be awful. If the self contained story is missing the right bits of fan service, it will be despised by the masses. Most people hate ODST, Wars, and Reach because the Chief isn't in them, or because they're different from the core games, or because ODST and Reach don't have the Flood. The scriptwriters would have to work overtime to shoehorn everything they can into the film to appease those rabid fans, all while struggling to make the [redacted] thing cohesive.

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Though somewhat incorrect about "most people" he's right about the fan service

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:49 PM

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he is right though

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most people dont know about the lore though

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the mot they would know withoout playing halo or any of the games are spartans

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 3:50 PM

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I think Nightfall was well received without a Spartan (in armour) or have anything recognisable by general audiences and Halo fans

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:51 PM

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was nightfall a big thing?

chrome hearth Sep 2, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Totally

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and half-half

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 3:51 PM

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It wasn't a big thing, no. It was just exta EU material like FuD

chrome hearth Sep 2, 2020, 3:51 PM

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although, Forward Unto Dawn was really good as well.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:52 PM

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have not seen it yet but the weapons look really like props

chrome hearth Sep 2, 2020, 3:52 PM

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by your opinion, mine, they look good

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:53 PM

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plus if your a halo lore fan i dont think they will coomplain about shoving every aspect of lore in

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well

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say

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but who knows

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there is no way you can shove all halo EU into a single movie though

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Let's face it, nerd communities can be awful. If the self contained story is missing the right bits of fan service, it will be despised by the masses. Most people hate ODST, Wars, and Reach because the Chief isn't in them, or because they're different from the core games, or because ODST and Reach don't have the Flood. The scriptwriters would have to work overtime to shoehorn everything they can into the film to appease those rabid fans, all while struggling to make the [redacted] thing cohesive.
Can I just say this is a really bad hot take. ODST and Reach are among fan favourites

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:55 PM

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ye i dont know where he got that from

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odst and reach seem really loved

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donk yes

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Infinity uses reverse-engineered tech

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:55 PM

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they used forerunner tech in gen 2

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of spartan armor

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 3:56 PM

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ye i dont know where he got that from
Reddit because apparently that's where business execs discuss their feelings about sci-fi universes and how to appease to general audiences of course

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:56 PM

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its both

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 3:57 PM

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There's no point in trying to understand every Mjolnir set on the GEN2 platform. It'll just hurt your brain due to how many sets there are

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 3:58 PM

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there is about 200 right

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 3:58 PM

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I don't know. It sounds about right

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You could always use Halopedia to learn more

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The only issue with that is people don't know every Mjolnir set on the GEN2 platform due to how many there are. I know all the important ones and those that are donned by a high profile characters in the universe, but I didn't even know one was called Hellcat until you brought it up

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:02 PM

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im questioning why the unsc needed so many sets

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20 to 40 makes sense

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 4:03 PM

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That is a good question, Lance

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:03 PM

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200 just sounds like logistics hell

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Humanity spamming out Mjolnir sets faster than they can repopulate

dense pulsar Sep 2, 2020, 4:03 PM

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I actually liked ODST and Reach because I knew Chief's story was logically (at the time) concluded and other conflicts and aspects hadn't been explored yet

unique rune Sep 2, 2020, 4:04 PM

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there is about 200 right
Counting alternate skins separately, yes

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 4:04 PM

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FOTUS straight up uses the forerunner tech

unique rune Sep 2, 2020, 4:05 PM

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the actual number in Halo 5 is more in the ballpark of 70-ish base armor sets

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 4:05 PM

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And forward unto dawn is better than nightfall imo

dense pulsar Sep 2, 2020, 4:06 PM

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I know Cole was pretty good at fighting the Covenant for a time but were there any black eye victories that Humans gave the Covenant?

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:07 PM

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some

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harvest campaign

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the two nova bombs

unique rune Sep 2, 2020, 4:09 PM

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err
off the top of my head
Operations Torpedo, Prometheus, Silent Storm, and First Strike would probably count?

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Yes

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Etran harbourage too

versed helm Sep 2, 2020, 4:16 PM

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what about cutter's victory over atriox on the ark?

humble yacht Sep 2, 2020, 4:18 PM

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he won the battle but not the war

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 4:19 PM

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That conflict is still ongoing unless you're discussing the Battle of Installation-09, which the Spirit of Fire won handedly

humble yacht Sep 2, 2020, 4:20 PM

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HW2 ends with Atriox glowering as he looks over his still very sizable forces

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kind of like he's getting into the mindset of taking the SoF seriously after they shamed him a few times

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Mjolnir manufacturing was democratized

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:23 PM

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the gen 2 platform seems to have very sepcialized suits

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i could have sworn reading about a few suits all sing the exact same thing

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if spartan suits are the expensive

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imagine how many ships they could have made with that money

humble yacht Sep 2, 2020, 4:27 PM

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GEN2 increased on the specialization of mjolnir

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Prices have gone down

humble yacht Sep 2, 2020, 4:28 PM

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GEN1 had some specializations, like EVA and Scout, but GEN2 took it to a new level

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underwater specializations, assassination specializations

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vehicular specialization

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:28 PM

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why assasination

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why does assination need a special suit

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 4:29 PM

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That’s what some Spartans sos is Liza in?

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Specialize

humble yacht Sep 2, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Wetwork MJOLNIR specializes in silence, low profile, infiltration

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:30 PM

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has it been said how many spartan IVs there are

humble yacht Sep 2, 2020, 4:30 PM

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not total

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iirc infinity has ~1700

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:31 PM

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what

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why

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why does it need so many

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well it is almost destroyed every other monday

humble yacht Sep 2, 2020, 4:31 PM

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because spartans perform a lot more ops now

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:31 PM

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but so many spartans in one place

humble yacht Sep 2, 2020, 4:32 PM

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it's a big ship

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and it goes on alot of missions

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:33 PM

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is that most of the spartan IVs?

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because then they wouldnt have been captured by cortana

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 4:34 PM

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iirc infinity has ~1700```
Wait what. Where'd ya find that number?

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 4:34 PM

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300+

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 4:34 PM

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iirc infinity has ~1700
That's ONI personnel. It currently has a [REDACTED] number of Spartans, including S-IVs

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:35 PM

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that makes more sense

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hey wait

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why redacted for spartans but not ono

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oni

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 4:35 PM

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They wanna keep the amount of Spartan assets they got close to their chest?

humble yacht Sep 2, 2020, 4:36 PM

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because SIVs are supposed to be the players

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 4:36 PM

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And 343 does as well, in case they accidently kill too many.

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Or just don't make Multiplayer canon then

humble yacht Sep 2, 2020, 4:37 PM

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too late

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:37 PM

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what about when a author goes death happy and kill a few hundred spartans

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Then don't make it canon in Infinite, there's still time

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👀

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:37 PM

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and yea i would rather multiplayer to not be canon

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gen 2 is good at landing from orbit right

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 4:40 PM

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I love MP being canon

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 4:42 PM

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It limits creative freedom though.

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Not if it's in a sim

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:42 PM

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because now anything you make in it has to be canon?

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Everything is canon unless otherwise specified should not apply to multiplayer at all.

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Well in that case

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Grifball is canon everyone

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:45 PM

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yay

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lets beat the guy who stole my promthean kill with gravity hammers

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Grabs hammer

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:47 PM

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i wonder if the unsc made spi for spartans again how it would look

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with reach glassed

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is titanium a very needed comoddity?

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because that was a big part of reach's advantage

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spires of titanium

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 4:52 PM

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i wonder if the unsc made spi for spartans again how it would look
Why would they need to? They still have a number of suits. They likely still have experimental suits too that were given to some (if not all) Spartan-III Headhunters

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:52 PM

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i said if

humble yacht Sep 2, 2020, 4:52 PM

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titanium is nice because it's lighter and harder than steel

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but it's also more brittle

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hence why in halo they use titanium alloys

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 4:53 PM

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i said if
True, but they still likely won't with Mjolnir GEN3 on the way

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:53 PM

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so what will happen to the old suits

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 4:54 PM

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They might be in use by some Spartans. We know of one Gamma who still wears SPI

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I do want to mention that Gammas may not be allowed to upgrade to Mjolnir due to their augmentations that affect the brain or maybe it was this Gamma's personal choice

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 4:59 PM

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hold up

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forge had a daughter

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Yeah

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 5:00 PM

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She's kinda awesome too

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Rion

lethal comet Sep 2, 2020, 5:01 PM

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S IIIs can wear mjolnir

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They just prefer spi

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SPI is better for stealth

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 5:01 PM

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I never said they can't. Besides I was discussing the Gammas specifically, it's an interesting point to bring up

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I wouldn't mind a SPI inspired design for a set of armour in Infinite

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I wouldn't mind a SPI inspired design for a set of armour in Infinite
I would love this.

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Here's what i don't get iv can't beat a lll a lll can't beat a ll yet a iv can equally fight a ll and then you see lock3 standing equal in. Height to lasky in armor hen palmer. And lasky next to each other same height then palmer next to Spartan lls they tower over her then chief vs locke they are equal height how on earth does that work

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 5:04 PM

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iv can't beat a lll a lll can't beat a ll
Who says?

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 5:04 PM

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You are aware that the IIs and IIIs generally are on par with each other, right Blob?

unique rune Sep 2, 2020, 5:04 PM

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then palmer next to Spartan lls they tower over her then chief
because the heights in Halo 4's epilogue aren't canonically accurate

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Height to lasky in armor hen palmer. And lasky next to each other same height then palmer next to Spartan lls they tower over her then chief vs locke they are equal height how on earth does that work
Height inconsistencies happen all the time in games

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Like Mantle's Approach. 🙃

unique rune Sep 2, 2020, 5:05 PM

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I'm pretty Chief and the other Spartans throughout the other cutscenes in 4 are technically scaled too small
probably because of limitations with mocap actors

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:05 PM

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put them on walking sticks then

unique rune Sep 2, 2020, 5:06 PM

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That's... not how it works

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 5:06 PM

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put them on walking sticks then
Would probably make it difficult for choreography

unique rune Sep 2, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Then you'd have really awkwardly placed points of articulation

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:06 PM

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i was trying to make a joke

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it fell flat

round comet Sep 2, 2020, 5:06 PM

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#GiveUsSomethingLikeBrokenCircles

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 5:06 PM

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They could in theory scale things up and down but it wouldn't be practical to animate things at different sizes. Like, they'd have to do a whole load more work to make things look right

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 5:07 PM

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#GiveUsSomethingLikeBrokenCircles```
More Broken Circle would always be nice

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:07 PM

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yea isnt the MA bigger than high charity?

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 5:07 PM

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#GiveUsSomethingLikeBrokenCircles
#GiveUsSomethingAboutSpartanIIIsFirst

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 5:07 PM

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yea isnt the MA bigger than high charity?```
Around there. It's insane

round comet Sep 2, 2020, 5:07 PM

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#GiveUsSomethingLikeBrokenCircles```
More Broken Circle would always be nice

its necessay, covenant history needs to be expanded.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:07 PM

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yea it looks smaller in the game

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 5:08 PM

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The design of the ship really doesn't lend itself well to being around High Charity's size.

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 5:08 PM

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And animation alone is already a whole load of work anyway, so trying to get animators to make someone look giant in how they move based off of mocap data of a normal sized person would be really tricky, especially if they interact with someone who is meant to be normal sized

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Granted, I'm a level designer, not an animator so I ain't the best person to talk about animation

unique rune Sep 2, 2020, 5:08 PM

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It's not quite as big as High Charity but stuff like Phantoms, Liches, or Broadswords shouldn't even be visible against the full size of the Mantle's Approach.

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Yeah

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I think it's kinda easy to brush that off when focussing on the story though

round comet Sep 2, 2020, 5:09 PM

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the mantle's approach is h u g e

sharp adder Sep 2, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Bigger than the death star

unique rune Sep 2, 2020, 5:10 PM

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I think it's kinda easy to brush that off when focussing on the story though
Yeah, it's not really important but it's kinda insane to think about when you do look at the official numbers.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:11 PM

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imagine something of that size towering over a city

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it has millions of promtheans right?

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 5:11 PM

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I mean it would probably be towering over multiple cities as it's that big

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:12 PM

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the UEG and unsc s lucky the didact didn't start landing promtheans

unique rune Sep 2, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Roughly 140km long and 140km wide, 370km tall.

It'd cover a pretty sizeable section of land.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:13 PM

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and the infinity only blew a small hole in it

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 5:13 PM

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the UEG and unsc s lucky the didact didn't start landing promtheans
The Didact was too busy using them to stop the Chief

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:13 PM

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doesnt he have millions on board

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i think he has a few to spare

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 5:14 PM

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But I mean his whole plan was to compose humans, not necessarily kill them

round comet Sep 2, 2020, 5:16 PM

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c o n s u m e

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:23 PM

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you think cortana would ever use a composer

unique rune Sep 2, 2020, 5:24 PM

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I'm sure she'd find some way to justify using one if necessary

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 5:24 PM

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She definitely threatened to use one, so...

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:25 PM

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"well you see,this guy in this one colony said im looking really blue today,so i had to use the composer. ya know?"

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and im sure some fans wouldjust justify her needless killings all the same

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massaceres,destruction of cities,forcing everybody under her rule like a empire. hey didnt cortana say she hated the unsc for being a empire or was it just oni and halsey

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 5:31 PM

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"well you see,this guy in this one colony said im looking really blue today,so i had to use the composer. ya know?"
MCU humor in a nutshell

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 5:34 PM

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massaceres,destruction of cities,forcing everybody under her rule like a empire. hey didnt cortana say she hated the unsc for being a empire or was it just oni and halsey
When Cortana was trying to justify her actions by saying that it's a gift and allowing every species to be more than they can be naturally, Chief brings up how Halsey did the same for him, but Cortana replies with "No, that monster forced you". I'm gonna assume from that line that it is just a hatred towards Halsey that Cortana has. Ironic really considering Halsey made Cortana.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:35 PM

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"you see john,im not forcing other species,techinically im giving them a choice"

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which is about the same level of reasoning for getting the spartan 3s

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 5:37 PM

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I really want to see an Unggoy murder-mystery prior to the collapse of Balaho’s biosphere.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:38 PM

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i hope that there isnt a galactic council and every faction just does diplomacy with each other without one

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i just find galactic councils boring

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 5:41 PM

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I hope to see much of the galactic population slowly come to get over Cortana's rule with only the UEG-In-Exile and the Banished duking it out.
And then Cortana is defeated for good right as Humanity "being the heir to forerunner legacy" becomes known to the public.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:42 PM

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you want most of the public to be on cortanas side and then realise their legacy?

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Not allied with Cortana, but a sense of "Fine, let's make do with what we have"

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It's the same as supporters of political parties grumbling as their opponents win and hold office for the next couple of years

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Humanity should not adopt the Mantle

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Too late, Everyone's already going to wonder exactly what Cortana was talking about

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 5:44 PM

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no, Chief and others are aware of the Mantle

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They shouldn’t adopt it because it’s a bad philosophy

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:44 PM

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well humanity cant exactly do anything with the mantle

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the mantle requires forces to make other species bend

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 5:45 PM

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no, Chief and others are aware of the Mantle
The amount of people who know the full extent of that MOR interpretation is in the single-digits.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:45 PM

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forces that humanity does not have

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 5:45 PM

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"We humans should rule over all of you other races."
"Why?"
"..."

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Even as the Created came to power

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 5:45 PM

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That’s not even the issue. It’s not like awareness means that adoption is inevitable.

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Humanity should reject the idea of the Mantle

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The Flood might’ve been stopped without firing the Halo rings were it not for the Mantle.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:47 PM

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heck if it wasnt for the mantle the flood might have not even be around

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Even then with what is known about the Mantle, it doesn't have to be a galactic dictatorship.
If anything, realistically ONI would use it to push subtle humanocentricism as a "justified" means of the others atoning for their crimes against humanity.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:47 PM

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yes it is

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 5:47 PM

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uh NO

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:48 PM

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it is that one species shall be above others

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 5:48 PM

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ONI should NEVER have the Mantle. EVER.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:48 PM

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and not everyone will want to be under another species

carmine sleet Sep 2, 2020, 5:48 PM

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The Mantle is a flawed concept

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 5:48 PM

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The Mantle is inherently a racist and supremacist ideology that has no place anywhere.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:49 PM

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its telling one species

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"you are better than every other species"

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"make other species bend"

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 5:51 PM

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"This corrupt human politician here? He's better than you, alien that has worked tirelessly towards peace."

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Correction
The Forerunner's Interpretation of the Mantle is inherently a racist and supremacist ideology that has no place anywhere.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:52 PM

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and we know what happens when people think they are part of a supior race

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Thing is, even the Precursor version is. Since it's still elevating one species.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:55 PM

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and there are some very bad people in the unsc,ueg, and insurrection

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imagine what they would do with that knowladge

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 5:55 PM

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The Insurrection has a ton of bad folks especially

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:57 PM

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heck there are some insurrection movements who want nothing more than the desruction of aliens

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to try to stop peace efforts

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Sapien Sunrise? They should have more presence in the lore.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:57 PM

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yea i think so

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Their name is mega cringe so I’d rather not

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:58 PM

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imagine how many people they would get if they learned they were part of the supirior race

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 5:58 PM

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I think the lore has spent enough time on "To hate aliens, or not to hate aliens? That is the question!"

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 5:58 PM

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to destroy the "lesser" race

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and the alternitive

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is so boring

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"humanity leading all alien races to greatness"

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that suddenly humans are trying to bring every race to greatness

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Very "White Man's Burden"-esque

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:00 PM

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post war was good up until the created because it had diplomacy

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and conflict

shut dew Sep 2, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Status quo ACTIVATED

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:01 PM

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people trying to make alliances

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and sabotage and betrayal

craggy sierra Sep 2, 2020, 6:01 PM

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I'd be surprised if the created curb stomping governments doesn't lead to both of those things by leaving power vacuums spattered around everywhere

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:02 PM

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apprently the unsc and UEG are still around

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with materials group also still being around

craggy sierra Sep 2, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Yeah but who knows to what extent, cohesion, or capacity

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 6:03 PM

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We know the UNSC and UEG are around considering in the 27th century, I believe New Alexandria and another city have been rebuilt on Reach. That's not definitive by any means, but it'd seem like a thing the UNSC/UEG would do

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:04 PM

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well on canon fodder it did say marine expiditionary forces or working with sanghellios forces to destroy whats left of the storm covenant and created scouts

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and the fact the unsc hae skyhooks set up to make gen 3

craggy sierra Sep 2, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Only 100+ years from now

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:04 PM

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uh no

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its in 40 years

craggy sierra Sep 2, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Oh right

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:05 PM

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hey wait a second

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after the created is over

craggy sierra Sep 2, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Either case, being around and having building efforts doesn't mean that the universe is still a cohesive element

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:05 PM

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the unsc will finally have to use diplomacy with the outer colonies

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and not just stomping them under foot

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actually having to negotiate with them and listen to their problems

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 6:06 PM

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😮

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Wowie

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:06 PM

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i know right

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Only 100+ years from now

its in 40 years
Well it's early in the 27th century. Around the 2610's I believe, so both of you are wrong

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Unleeeess 343 just says "The UNSC is powerful again a few months later lol"

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 6:07 PM

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They did it before

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Yeah.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:08 PM

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maybe a ten year timeskip?

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 6:08 PM

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There is no such thing as storm covenant...

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 6:08 PM

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There is no such thing as storm covenant...
That was the fan name for Jul's Covenant

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 6:08 PM

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It's just a fan name, Erick.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:08 PM

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yea

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and its faster to say

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Highly innacurate and non canon one

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Oh well.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:08 PM

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ok

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 6:09 PM

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It does sound better though

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 6:09 PM

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The unsc likely has certain assets

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No

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 6:09 PM

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It does sound better, indeed.

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 6:09 PM

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It sounds like people believe whatever and wanna be journalists can’t do their jobs properly.

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 6:09 PM

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There there.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:09 PM

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oh yea its from a journalists

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Well none of us are journalists (as far as I know). We're all just here in one channel in one Discord server discussing it

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Mobile assets I would guess.

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And perhaps certain companies operate clandestinely to supply the unsc.

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Not every asset was seized by the created

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 6:13 PM

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A good example is the Infinity from what we've seen in the Universe thus far

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 6:13 PM

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I was thinking too of certain mobile facilities and locations.

nimble crest Sep 2, 2020, 6:14 PM

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So is the SoS atheist or do they praise the gods on Sangheilios

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 6:14 PM

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I imagine it's secular, with the members free to believe whatever

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Even in the banished. Some believe some some.

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Dont *

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Yea for example

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Orion class carriers

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Or epoch class carriers

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They can produce weapons and armor

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For when the unsc doesn't have those facilities back up yet

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 6:17 PM

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The infinity can too

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Yea and along with those classes

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 6:18 PM

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I wouldn't be surprised if the Autumn-class has some facilities listed above onboard

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:18 PM

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I wonder how many people are going to be mad to be back under the unsc

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Either just "oh they are back" or "come on Why can't you guys just die off"

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 6:18 PM

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I might be surprised

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Well the created did likely turn Sydney into a crater

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Oh wait

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The unsc will need a new high com base

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 6:20 PM

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It might not have been

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That serin osman and lord hold evxatuation by BB

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 6:20 PM

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The unsc will need a new high com base
Rossbach's World

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 6:21 PM

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It was so timely.

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Smile and wave. Quickly quickly. Into the prowler bye. Earth falls.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:23 PM

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You would leave too if you saw a giant owl over your house

fair hazel Sep 2, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Well that was before it showed up.

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:24 PM

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"Oh hey,why is our leader running running towards the power?"
ship falls out of the sky
"Oh so that's why"

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I don't think the unsc would even want gao and veniza back though

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Just supernova them lol

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:26 PM

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You can't just pull a Cole every time something goes slightly south

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 6:27 PM

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I mean I was kidding. It'd likely create more Innie sympathies and is also extremely unethical. Worse than kidnapping kids and making them Spartans

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Well I was also making a joke

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Oh hey

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What if the space commies come back

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Maybe after the created with the galaxy in chaos again we can actually see the new stuff bbeing put to use

nimble crest Sep 2, 2020, 6:31 PM

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If we see a banished scarab in infinite I’ll cry

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 6:31 PM

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why

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Out of fear or happiness

nimble crest Sep 2, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Happiness

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Gamma company is still alive right

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300 Spartans around here somewhere

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Ostensibly

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 6:38 PM

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300 Spartans around here somewhere
330 initially but we know of 7 who are KIA. Team Gladius (5), Holly, and Dante. The last two being apart of Team Sabre which is now discontinued

nimble crest Sep 2, 2020, 6:55 PM

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How many IIIs are out there?

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Unknown. You could probably make a case for around 400 being alive post-war

nimble crest Sep 2, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Ok dumb question

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How many 3s were made?

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Around 1000

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Or 900

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 7:03 PM

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930 were made. 1245 were conscripted and trained

gleaming jackal Sep 2, 2020, 7:03 PM

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How many spartn IVs are there 🤔

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 7:04 PM

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300+

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 7:04 PM

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500+

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 7:04 PM

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at least 2

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Nah, one of those was a figment of your imagination.

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 7:04 PM

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We know that Infinity had a contingent of Spartan-IVs onbaord, somewhere between 300-500

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 7:05 PM

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oh yeah. Sorry Spartan Cena, time to let you go

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Farewell

gleaming jackal Sep 2, 2020, 7:05 PM

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I hope they make it more difficult for spartan 4s to be recruited

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 7:06 PM

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The only S-IV is the single member of Fireteam Crimson.

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Correct

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 7:06 PM

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I hope they make it more difficult for spartan 4s to be recruited
I mean there are parameters

gleaming jackal Sep 2, 2020, 7:06 PM

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It kinda takes away from the legendary status of most Spartans if you can just sign up to become one

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 7:07 PM

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You can't just sign up though. You have to be offered

gleaming jackal Sep 2, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I know its more than just"sign here to become a demigod" but like the magic of s 2 and 3s is that there is a limited number of them

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Well in the grand scale of the UNSC, there are only a limited number of Spartan-IVs. The only reason there was so many, so fast between Halo 3 and Halo 4 is because the Spartan branch likely asked so many war veterans to join. I'd assume a great number of them being pulled from the ODSTs due to how high risk their missions were. Of course Spartan-IVs come from every branch of the military, but I like to think that most were pulled from the ODSTs. Could also explain why they are rarely seen post-war

gleaming jackal Sep 2, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Also I feel like part of being a spartan is the stoic personality that most 2s and 3s have. The spartan ops cinematics didn't do a great job of portraying s 4s as that

feral perch Sep 2, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Why should they be the same?

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S-IIIs don’t have the same demeanor as IIs either

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Wait

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IVs came from the navy?

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The guys who use ships

gilded mason Sep 2, 2020, 7:22 PM

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IVs come from everywhere

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Also I feel like part of being a spartan is the stoic personality that most 2s and 3s have. The spartan ops cinematics didn't do a great job of portraying s 4s as that
But what about Crimson. Their feats were pretty impressive if you playthrough Spartan Ops. Some S-IVs are even Headhunters. That's pretty stoic and BA imo

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Hadhunters stay behind enemy lines right

inner basin Sep 2, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Well I wouldn't say they stay behind enemy lines, but yes, they are inserted behind enemy lines

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 7:48 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/a/af/HR_Screenshot_Epilogue-After.jpg doesnt the ship in the back look a ittle bit like the autumn class

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and has that ship always been there?

vague scroll Sep 2, 2020, 8:14 PM

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It’s always been there in the epilogue

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It’s make and model remain unknown though

uncut mountain Sep 2, 2020, 8:30 PM

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arbiter

cedar surge Sep 2, 2020, 8:37 PM

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soooo those hundreds of ships at mars and tribute

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evaporated by the created?

ornate sierra Sep 2, 2020, 8:51 PM

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wazzup everyone

vague scroll Sep 2, 2020, 8:51 PM

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@cedar surge not sure what you mean by hundreds of ships over mars and tribute, could you explain what you mean by that?

ornate sierra Sep 2, 2020, 8:51 PM

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do yall just sit on discord all day

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if so thats sad 😥