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#lore-and-universe
terse lava
vague scroll
Also dutifully nicknamed “space pigeons”
west silo
Nah the space leviatheans
terse lava
nah, just give the Mantle to Tide
cedar surge
Least halo doesn't have space whales right
vague scroll
You don’t want to give the mantle to me
terse lava
it does
cedar surge
It what?
terse lava
Harvest
west silo
Yes it does
terse lava
it has whales on Harvest 😛
vague scroll
Forget space whales, try flying whales
cedar surge
Technically not in space
west silo
Outpost discovery
west silo
Its on a halo
terse lava
whichj is floating in space
cedar surge
You know what would be interesting
vague scroll
Kek
terse lava
thus they are in space, and thus space whales
vague scroll
But yeah outpost discovery features flying whales
cedar surge
Brining like 11 thousand people to a deserted planet,changing their memories,making them think they are the last of the human race on earth and observe
west silo
Blind wolves that are actually eyeless raptors
vague scroll
The mantle of responsibility for all things belongs to Sharqoui alone.
west silo
Brining like 11 thousand people to a deserted planet,changing their memories,making them think they are the last of the human race on earth and observe
@cedar surge
Brooo that would be totally oni
cedar surge
Hey you would do it too to secure the human race
west silo
Like they did try to villianize chief just to see how much control they have over society
vague scroll
It went great actually
cedar surge
They what?
west silo
Hunt the truth
vague scroll
^
gilded mason
The Hunt the Truth podcast
west silo
Listen its great
vague scroll
My favorite piece of halo fiction by far
cedar surge
I heard it was and that people were excited for it in 5
cedar surge
Wasn't he the reporter wwho got sent to a ice prison
west silo
Poor phyra
vague scroll
Asteroid prison technically @cedar surge
west silo
The midnight facility
cedar surge
And who would think making humanities number one enemy into a game
west silo
Do you farm grunts or be a grunt farmer
@cedar surge
Grunts are good at farming
Just ask the elites
cedar surge
Let me guess. They farm for the SoS because the elites can't do it?
gilded mason
No no, Elites can, don't worry
west silo
I was thinking glasslands when Jul would watch the grunts farming as a child
And then proceeded to annoy them
cedar surge
At what age is a elite a adult?
gilded mason
No idea
cedar surge
So how different is unsc farming
dense pulsar
Halo; making child soldiers fight for 30 years
cedar surge
Like I appreciate 343 trying to make humanity more futuristic
It just falls flat in some areas
dense pulsar
Wut
cedar surge
Like when the vindication and Poseidon class are both blindingly white
west silo
So how different is unsc farming
@cedar surge
They use drones
cedar surge
Oh
west silo
Sorry mista
dense pulsar
Did the UNSC ever try making Terminator esque machines that could be controlled by smart AI?
west silo
Only limited to drone
Like the wombat drones in odst
That can apparently carry nukes
Every drone can be controlled by ai
They did it with the farm drones in contact harvest
cedar surge
I wonder how many people of the 16 billion humans are marines
I mean the unsc had over 350 million marines on reach alone before it fell
Who knows how many millions they had on other colonies
terse lava
I recall out of the 1 billion or so Thel killed, only 10,000 or so were military personal
versed helm
they were trying to crush humanity
they wouldnt have differentiated between civilians and military
west silo
Wait out of a billion them only killed 10,000 military how?
versed helm
religious cleansers generally dont care about sparing civilians
they mainly rekt planets
most planets have more civies than military
terse lava
I would need t duble check one mment
west silo
Yeah i sounds pretty strange
versed helm
im betting its around the low 100 millions
terse lava
23,000 military personal, and 123 fleet vessels, and 7 planets
west silo
Wat
terse lava
mhm
terse lava
yeah but it's from Locke when he studied Thel
west silo
Well can't really do anything about it thank for the info by the way
terse lava
welcome
terse lava
23,000 military but yeah
terse lava
it was never said they were spread across those worlds, just that 7 planets, along with 123 warships and 23,000 military were g;assed/beaten by Thel
candid laurel
this is one of those things where science fiction writers don't know scale i think it's better to make up your own numbers instead of relying on hard numbers
like how in starwars the clone army they have 2 million clones?
versed helm
the total pop was 18 billion, right?
candid laurel
i think it was 38 billion
versed helm
last i checked, they had 80 planets
candid laurel
still pretty low
versed helm
assuming a pop of even 500 mill per planet
thats 4 bill
but the average must be around 4 or 5 bil
candid laurel
actually no it's 39 billiob
candid laurel
post war population is 18 billion
versed helm
oh
candid laurel
yeah that seems about right
versed helm
that average dropped like a bomb
candid laurel
well they did go through a genocide
versed helm
that they did
cedar surge
39 billion and 800 planets before,16-18 billion left with a couple dozen planets left
Also this looks kinda funny
https://www.halopedia.org/images/thumb/9/98/HE_Spartans_Ealen_IV.png/800px-HE_Spartans_Ealen_IV.png
The Spartans look out of place
Actually they all look goofy
The brute elite war was cool to read about though
candid laurel
idk i'm digging the brute armor and the elites got that classic look to them
spartans do look pretty goofy reminds me of power rangers
cedar surge
Yea but the yellow brute
He looks just funny
Everybody else looks fine
But yea the Spartans look like power rangers
Hey ostral it looks like halopedia doesn't acknowledge the evacuations that halo tweet said when talking about human casualties
Has it ever been stated post war what the human population is?
carmine sleet
Also this looks kinda funny
https://www.halopedia.org/images/thumb/9/98/HE_Spartans_Ealen_IV.png/800px-HE_Spartans_Ealen_IV.png
The Spartans look out of place
Actually they all look goofy
I'd say the problem is just the art looks rushed opposed to anything else. Like, it looks like they focused allot of getting some of the details in, such as on the Brute in the bottom right, but never managed to get around to properly applying detail everywhere else, hence why the Spartans and their weapons look the way they do
versed helm
yea
inner basin
Also this looks kinda funny
https://www.halopedia.org/images/thumb/9/98/HE_Spartans_Ealen_IV.png/800px-HE_Spartans_Ealen_IV.png
I don’t think the Spartans (here) look that bad. I mean some of the armour colour choices are questionable and it’s hard to tell at times who’s part of what Fireteam, but I guess they themselves would recognise who’s who from their armour, so it’s a minor issue that I have
round comet
everyone in that image looks bad to me.
inner basin
Where I do have issues with Spartan-IVs is how they look in Halo 5 (not Halo 4 as much). I’m really hoping with GEN3, all of the problems I had with GEN2 are eleviated
round comet
so far, the gen 3 armor looks perfect.
inner basin
I mean we’ve only seen 4 armour sets so far. But yes, what we have seen so far is great stuff. I typically like to wear Mk. V or Mk. VI and Chief’s Mk. VI would look great for my MP Spartan, particularly in black
versed helm
Mk 7 GEN 3 looks really awesome, it reminds me of Mk V (B) and the concept design for Commando.
So far, I love these hybrids of designs that 343i are producing.
round comet
its the mark 6 gen 3 delete
humble yacht
Are you talking about the Mark vii from the mega blocks? Because if so I think those figures are purposefully designed to mix and match
humble yacht
Mark VI gen 3 is what Chief is wearing in infinite
versed helm
I am referring to the Mega Construx design.
round comet
bruh i haven't seen those what
humble yacht
Yeah, not sure if those designs can be said to be truly canon at this point. Could just be a rebrand of an asset flip
lethal comet
The mk VII appears in kilo five triology
versed helm
I've seen Mk 7 being sold as a costume.
lethal comet
In Mythos we see it is almost exactly like the mk V(B)
humble yacht
Canonically the Mark vii can look like whatever it wants, thanks to the built in nanobots
lethal comet
The helmet cant change
round comet
ah yes nanobots
lethal comet
But I guess mk VII has variants too
candid laurel
Is the Flaming Hayabusa armor canon
humble yacht
No
The flames were not part of hayabusa specially
Also armor effects in general are not canon
There are no Spartans walking around with stink clouds
versed helm
Was Hayabusa even canon?
humble yacht
Hayabusa is canon
versed helm
How very disappointing.
candid laurel
even the unicorn
lethal comet
Hayabusa was a case of if you cant beat it join it
It was mjolnir's competitor
But joined mjolnir later
humble yacht
Hayabusa was developed independently from Mjolnir, then acted as a rival platform until ultimately being integrated with MJOLNIR
lethal comet
The concept art of gen 2 hayabusa was so good I felt bad when it was removed from h4
humble yacht
Gross
lethal comet
https://www.halopedia.org/File:HM-K5-Naomi.jpg
@round comet this
round comet
it does yeah
humble yacht
Like Ske7ch said I think we should take toys with a grain of salt regarding their canonicity
round comet
okay, i like it but is it official?
humble yacht
The Naomi photo? Yeah
round comet
dope.
humble yacht
That’s from kilo 5 books
humble yacht
🚑
humble yacht
Because y’all can’t be trusted
round comet
🇫
lethal comet
The naomi photo is from mythos Chimera
why dont i have reaction perms yet. :((
Same reason why we dont have external emojis
dense pulsar
Theory: ONI has saved Halsey's DNA and Master Chief's and plans to use it to make a clone when they both die
round comet
yeah, nope
carmine sleet
Making a Chief clone the next protagonist wouldn't be all that interesting and is kinda a trope already done in other franchises
humble yacht
Imagine a Chief without the luck
round comet
hard to imagine.
humble yacht
Nah it isn’t
inner basin
I don’t want to imagine it. Why are people so against new protagonists? Yeah, I mean Chief is cool and all, but he gotta step down eventually
humble yacht
It’s just Jerome 
inner basin
🤦♂️
round comet
i mean, he's right lol.
||what about noble 6||
nah wait noble 6 was far more of a brick wall than chief in the games
humble yacht
Jerome is Chief if he failed Spartan 101 the first time and had to retake it
lethal comet
A chief without luck would be a dead chief
round comet
luck? more like plot convenience
inner basin
A chief without luck would be a dead chief
Luck is Chief’s plot armour
lethal comet
Its called plot armor, some say if the forerunners had it then they could have survived the war
round comet
ofcourse.
lethal comet
All pelican pilots except brohammer lack it
inner basin
But the Forerunner’s plot armour was to die to the Flood. Just listen to the phrase “plot armour”
lethal comet
Every pelican pilot that flies chief always crash lands and dies
lethal comet
Even brohammer crashed but didnt die
round comet
because he was with chief
lethal comet
Chief is bad omen for every pilot adn
inner basin
I just think that the Banished’s AA guns are bad. That Pelican should’ve been destroyed (with 2 direct hits)
humble yacht
Remember those marines in the escape pod?
round comet
yes
humble yacht
They were with chief
round comet
YES;
inner basin
I like to think that those Marines died cause Chief was knocked about in the pod crushing them all during landing
lethal comet
Life lesson- If you see chief, run away regardless of whether you are friend or foe
humble yacht
Chief is only lucky because he drains luck from those around him
He’s a luck stealer
lethal comet
Chief is only lucky because he drains luck from those around him
I was just about to say that
humble yacht
When you reach zero luck you die
inner basin
I mean he even stole Johnson’s plot armour, making Johnson unlucky
round comet
Life lesson- If you see chief, run away regardless of whether you are friend or foe
heck even cortana went through so much by being his bestie
round comet
indeed
candid laurel
I would argue the Arbiter is also lucky
lethal comet
Took 3 games to drain it all
Three games and two books
inner basin
hot take: johnson isnt a good character
I mean he was really only there for the comedic relief
Bungie probably just kept him in after his good reception in CE
round comet
mhm, id like him more if he was an actual character and not essential comic relief.
he was good comic relief but still just that, comic relief.
inner basin
I feel in the books he was given better characterisation, if that’s what you’re looking for
round comet
certainly was.
lethal comet
Now that I think about it
Chief is bad luck for ships as well
Pillar of autumn, in amber clad, forward unto dawn, infinity
round comet
🇫
inner basin
It was more Cortana that lead PoA to it’s final resting place, Keyes and Hood did the same for IAC, Forerunner manipulation of sorts for FuD and well we don’t know what’s happened to the Infinity yet, but Chief certainly has been bad luck for all of them
lethal comet
Even Infinity's plot armor couldnt defend it from chief
terse lava
Truth&Rec,Mantle's Approach, High Charity
inner basin
They were all hostile anyways
terse lava
Shadow of Intent
inner basin
Okay that one was an ally, but it’s good (last we heard)
lethal comet
The only thing that saved cairo station from chief was hood's plot armor
terse lava
it got hit by a flood pod but yes it recovered
lethal comet
Chief wasnt around long enough to suck hood's luck
inner basin
Maybe Hood’s also a bad omen, and the two cancel each other out. Hood used to be aboard the SoF, the Roman Blue (now destroyed), FuD (also destroyed), and caused the Infinity to take heavy damage
lethal comet
Finally a worthy opponent
And didnt a whole squad of spartan IVs die when they were around hood protecting him
inner basin
Well yes and no. If you are referring to DeMarco’s squad, no, it was just DeMarco who died, however if you’re referring to JackKnife, then kinda, as all but one were killed by Vladimir Scruggs
lethal comet
The one with vladimir i think
inner basin
Well Vladimir Scruggs wasn’t actually apart of JackKnife, I think he was just present at the Battle of Ealen IV
Okay nvm, I was incorrect
lethal comet
Escalation right?
inner basin
Yeah
lethal comet
Well today we figured where Chief's endless luck comes from
inner basin
I wonder if he’ll still be lucky if he gets the opportunity to retire and takes it
lethal comet
As long as there's people around him he can siphon their luck
inner basin
John uses “Luck siphon” on random civilian
lethal comet
Maybe thats why del rio was dismissed
inner basin
I mean Del Rio made a bad call on leaving Chief there. He should’ve taken the fight to the Didact, or at least deploy troops to fight him
lethal comet
Hey analysts later said that del rio made the right move
He saved infinity and couldnt even have achieved much even if he fought the didact
carmine sleet
It's a tricky one, sure, we wouldn't have had the events from Halo 5 is Del Rio was able to get the chip from Chief, but at the same time, the Ur-Didact would've likely been able to enact his plan with much less opposition
dusty prawn
It’s easy and hard to monday morning quarterback. What if del rio sent the infinity after the cryptum and the didact used forerunner magic to self destruct the infinity’s forerunner engines
inner basin
He saved infinity and couldnt even have achieved much even if he fought the didact
Well I think troop deployment would’ve been quite effective
dusty prawn
Then we’d be saying “humanity would have been alive had he gone back and waited for the didact there”
Though given what info and reputation they had I’d be in favor of a fight or at least a lot of support
lethal comet
Prometheans are top level threats second only to the flood
candid laurel
Prometheans don't seem like a threat
inner basin
You’re forgetting that the Infinity has Spartan-IVs aboard. Even when they were heading to Requiem the first time. One team I remember reading about who was at the First Battle of Requiem was Fireteam Shadow
lethal comet
Prometheans don't seem like a threat
Oh really
inner basin
They are a threat, Walter
lethal comet
Its not like their weapons frickin disintegrate people
round comet
Prometheans don't seem like a threat
im sorry what
candid laurel
how the heck does an ancient advanced race of beings create machines that are mowed down by a bunch of dudes with level 2 combat skins according to guilty spark
dusty prawn
Promethean Knights are kinda dangerous if the didact was so fond of them
lethal comet
how the heck does an ancient advanced race of beings create machines that are mowed down by a bunch of dudes with level 2 combat skins according to guilty spark
Cause gameplay
dusty prawn
Well by the time of 2558 they might be level 3-4
candid laurel
chief shouldn't stand any chance fighting a horde of them let alone one
lethal comet
CAUSE GAMEPLAY
terse lava
thats a funny wayto say neural physics
candid laurel
but in cutscenes i see them get torn to shreds by 7.1 mm rounds
round comet
walter, the prometheans and the created are a threat.
maybe they feel "easy" to ya because of gameplay.
lethal comet
If they made prometheans practical they'd be literal angels of death
candid laurel
they get destroyed by freaking bullets
inner basin
I mean Prometheans were created to combat the Flood, the number 1 threat in the Galaxy, and although they didn’t succeed, it was due to their lack of numbers to combat the Flood
sharp adder
Hmm infinity and her stridends could have rammed the cryputm as it doesn't seem 2 have any offensive measures And no cryputm no getting to the mantle and that means being stuck on requiem as it heads into the sun
round comet
they get destroyed by freaking bullets
..who doesnt?
lethal comet
And never underestimate armor piercing rounds
round comet
in the halo universe, what faction does not get killed by bullets.
candid laurel
they're designed by a hyper advanced race of beings who can collapse stars in a whim and create dyson spheres
terse lava
even the precursors via the flood die to bullets
round comet
they're designed by a hyper advanced race of beings who can collapse stars in a whim and create dyson spheres
the prometheans still used weapons and guns like we do, lol.
candid laurel
and those guys don't seem any better than what the unsc have
carmine sleet
they're designed by a hyper advanced race of beings who can collapse stars in a whim and create dyson spheres
Promethean constructs aren't the ones who do the whole collapsing stars thing. Plus, the Forerunners used technology to do that. Technology which does not fit into the palm of your hand
round comet
and those guys don't seem any better than what the unsc have
so you want the entire forerunner army to return?
candid laurel
i meant guns
lethal comet
And the prometheans were made to fight flood not humans
humble yacht
If they did then they’d have to be vulnerable to bullets
inner basin
Have you also not seen how many bullets it takes to drop a Knight, even in Halo 4?
candid laurel
the promeatheans were the elite force akin to spartans
they weren't designed to fight the flood
humble yacht
What
craggy sierra
...what
inner basin
they weren't designed to fight the flood
Prometheans absolutely were
carmine sleet
Being a race that's advanced enough to build shield worlds does not mean you have an immunity to being shot
candid laurel
i was thinking of the warrior servents
craggy sierra
They literally were. That’s their canonical reason for existing
lethal comet
They can incinerate biomass cause thats what the flood is
They werent made to combat ballistic weapons
humble yacht
Well you don’t fight any living warrior servants
carmine sleet
Well, we have a QTE with one
humble yacht
Because it wouldn’t translate well to good gameplay
round comet
i meant guns
and uh, they used guns as weapons.
what do you want, friggin forerunner nuke launchers and uh starpowered planet destroying gun thingies?
lethal comet
The forerunners didnt expect the flood to have a metal slug firing weapon
humble yacht
Imagine if Tartarus could grab you with his mind and toss you off the stage
candid laurel
no but one shot from their gun should instantly vaporize chief
humble yacht
How fun does that sound?
lethal comet
LUCK
humble yacht
Binary rifle does vaporize you in one shot
lethal comet
Energy shields
unique rune
are we just pretending Sentinels don’t die to bullets either
lethal comet
Hardlight isnt a god weapon
humble yacht
Plasma in gameplay is weak compared to what it should actually do
round comet
no but one shot from their gun should instantly vaporize chief
see uh, what you just said is very much for gameplay soo
inner basin
no but one shot from their gun should instantly vaporize chief
Would that sound fun to fight against? Would you like to die to one shot in Halo 4 and Halo 5? Do you also know that plasma weaponry is also quite lethal?
humble yacht
Just because you can kill something with bullets in the game doesn’t mean it isn’t advanced or dangerous in the lore
lethal comet
The forerunners were fighting the flood not the unsc people
humble yacht
Games gotta game
candid laurel
yes but it makes the promtheans seem like a joke
lethal comet
Prometheans arent supposed to be fighting humans
humble yacht
By that logic every enemy is a joke in halo
inner basin
yes but it makes the promtheans seem like a joke
That’s where you gotta distinguish differences between lore/canon and gameplay
unique rune
do you want a game that's fun to play or not
because I doubt anyone would still be playing Halo if enemies were 100% accurate to their canon representations
candid laurel
in cutscenes i see spartans regularly go through horde of prometheans
lethal comet
Thats like saying slayer would have never survived doom
candid laurel
look at the opening to halo 5 one of them dies in single shot
lethal comet
Weak spots exist
inner basin
in cutscenes i see spartans regularly go through horde of prometheans
There’s only one cutscene in mind and it’s the one from SpOps with Majestic on Requiem. Keep in mind they’re basically fighting Crawlers until a Knight pops up
craggy sierra
Thats something every game does
lethal comet
Prometheans have hardlight projectors
humble yacht
Covenant die to Spartans in one shot in cutscenes too
round comet
yes but it makes the promtheans seem like a joke
alright, lets give the prometheans one-shot kill weapons to not make them feel like "jokes", im sure people playing the game will lovve that.
humble yacht
But tbh this is a pointless convo, haters gonna hate
lethal comet
If we go by that logic then the doom games shouldnt exist
You literally survive hell itself
round comet
kinda impossible for a marine tbh
unique rune
Watching the Halo 5 opening cinematic featuring Osiris again, and, uh, none of them actually directly take on any Promethean units, save for Vale who mows down a Soldier with her SMG.
carmine sleet
I need to rewatch that cutscene again
unique rune
Oh I take that back, Buck also nails a Soldier twice with his shotgun
lethal comet
That cutscene looks like a badly choreographed super hero movie
round comet
i remember it very well but i have scrapped the memories of a lot of stuff i saw in halo 5 from my brain
: )
dusty prawn
@candid laurel 98% of the people who follow this stuff get confused about the difference between prometheans and promethean knights, due to the game shortening everything to just promethean. So you end up with confusion like this in conversations sometimes.
candid laurel
yeah the name is really confusing
dusty prawn
Except the UrDidact (who is now composed anyway) the last prometheans as they existed in their true form were composed 100,000 years ago. As far as we all know there’s no discernible difference between human or the promethean durances/AI/essance being placed into a promethean knight robot body. Unless something pops up saying something different, but there’s been no sign of a difference. That’s unrelated to what everyone was talking about but it’s something I haven’t thought of before.
versed helm
Will i have a good understanding of the lore of if i just play 1-4+reach+odst+terminals? Ive seen alot of other things like comics, movies, animated series and all of that juicy stuff but i cannot get invested. I wanna start easy
lethal comet
You should be good with the games and terminal if you want to know the brief back story
versed helm
I understand that halo 5 is a little more advanced with its lore
lethal comet
If you have trouble investing in books then I suggest halo mythos
versed helm
Im trying to understand the halo ring, the ark and the first firing of the rings to begin with
lethal comet
Yeah buy halo mythos it really helps with the timeline
versed helm
Alrighty thanks
lethal comet
Forerunner books can be confusing and boring at times
So the long way or the short way your choice
versed helm
Yeah. The terminals are good in halo 4 but in CEA they are a little challenging for me
inner basin
In Halo 5 they have audio logs which are somewhat similar to the terminals except with no visuals. However instead of one per level, they have a few to find. It has some interesting insights and backstory into Halo 5 and about the Guardians and everything like that
lethal comet
Halo 3 terminals are useful to know about the forerunner flood war
Play on legendary if you want to know why mendicant defected
versed helm
Halo 3 has terminals?
lethal comet
yeah
humble yacht
Yep
versed helm
You can tell this is all new to me
lethal comet
on the levels set on the ark
versed helm
Ohhhh ok
humble yacht
And one on the final level
lethal comet
The one in the final level and the final one in the covenant have different outputs on different difficulties
versed helm
I still need to finish halo 3
lethal comet
Halo 3 terminals are confusing for players not really familiar with forerunner lore
humble yacht
I don’t see why that should be the case
It was the first time halo delved into forerunner lore
versed helm
I somewhat understand the forerunner lore
inner basin
Tbf I was confused on my first playthrough of Halo 3
humble yacht
The forerunner trilogy is largely based off of those terminals
versed helm
Im watching the halo 4 terminals, then moving to halo cea
lethal comet
halo 4 terminals are much better
humble yacht
And then Greg Bear ran with it like a dog
Fix’d
versed helm
I agree they are easy to follow imo
last anchor
I need to reread Silentium again
lethal comet
Halo 3 terminals were supposed to be an extension of the iris campaign
versed helm
So when 343 gs is in the halo cea terminals (2,4,6) is that before or after the diadact fired the rings?
versed helm
Yeah that confused me lmao
obsidian thistle
Halo 3 terminals were supposed to be an extension of the iris campaign
@lethal comet more I'd say they form 1 narrative. Where IRIS is a sorta prelude that starts a few things thats continued in the Halo 3 terminals.
versed helm
Theres not alot to give it away that it was after and i dont have the time to research every bit or lore
lethal comet
does halopedia have no stuff on the servers cia
I cant find any on the iris page
servers 1-5 and that ip address
obsidian thistle
That said we do have pages on the servers. But I do have a goal to make the whole IRIS wiki experience better
lethal comet
When I went through the iris page on the wiki it only had external links that led to no where
obsidian thistle
At this current time
The Episodes are like that
1 to 5
But
Its a misnomer. Thats not the actual "Episodes" lol
Tbf as said (and was gonna go into lol) I have a huge IRIS plan.
Where the Servers still have dedicated pages sure. But the Episodes turn into this layout
Cause each "Episode" is a build up to each Server. :)
2007 in-universe was a wild time yo
versed helm
Can i skip halo wars 1 and 2? I never thought it had a huge impact on basic lore?
I believe its about the insurrectionists and uncs?
carmine sleet
Halo Wars 1 is about the Spirit of Fire trying to stop the Covenant on Harvest, Arcadia and a Shield World in 2531. Halo Wars 2 is about the Spirit of Fire trying to stop the Banished on the Ark in early 2559 after being missing for almost 30 years
versed helm
Oof right ok thanks
last anchor
Does have some of the best characters in the series though.
inner basin
Yeah the HW games do feature one of my favourite characters in the franchise, Jerome-092 along with one of my favourite Spartan-II teams, Red Team, behind Team Omega
I just like Team Omega because their team composition has 3 blank slots that players can insert themselves in
obsidian thistle
*Unless Keiichi is in Omega. Then its 2 blank slots
carmine sleet
I would like more about Omega in the future. Just a shame that we only got confirmed members in HW2 and next to nothing else about them
inner basin
I would like more about Omega in the future. Just a shame that we only got confirmed members in HW2 and next to nothing else about them
Your forgot another piece of information we know... That they are alive as of 2558
feral perch
That’s speculation by Jerome.
inner basin
*Unless Keiichi is in Omega. Then its 2 blank slots
Do we know if Keiichi was a washout? I mean we don’t know if Team Omega were washouts, but it’s suspected they are due to how they were worked closely with Red Team, who are confirmed washouts
That’s speculation by Jerome.
Well it’s more likely that they survived up to 2558 than not. Besides Halopedia has it listed as active up to 2558 so...
feral perch
Jerome tracked their activity through UNSC documents and believes they may be alive in the post-war era.
inner basin
Records received from the Henry Lamb research outpost show they they did survive the war, just nothing much after that except speculation
feral perch
Hm.
cedar surge
So the canon reason why earth only had 200 million is due to extensive evacuations by the unsc right?
gilded mason
Yeah. Though it really doesn't make any sense at all.
343 probably should have just retconned that 200 million number
inner basin
What’s this about?
inner basin
200 million seems quite low to me personally
gilded mason
@dusty prawn
Oh and yeah, I drew my profile pic myself. Thank ya.
cedar surge
Yea halopedia says billions died during the battle
inner basin
Do we have a population number before the Battle of Earth?
gilded mason
10 billion
gilded mason
Yeah. Earth would have to bascially be just...a wasteland
cedar surge
If it was reduced to 7 or 5 billion it would make more sense
feral perch
even two or three billion
inner basin
There were extended campaigns at other areas of Earth. Fun fact, that’s why the Rex VISR was created
gilded mason
I imagine 343 said that billions were evacuated because otherwise, that ~9 billion dead would interfere with their "Humanity pops right back up only months after the war looking confident and fresh" thing.
cedar surge
we needed 3 decades
gilded mason
Seriously.
inner basin
I’d argue even more when you considering that the Infinity has Forerunner tech incorporated into it’s engines
feral perch
Just kill off Cortana like Serina and have Chief truly on his own for a game.
cedar surge
Forerunner tech should not be this easy to reverse engineer
feral perch
Halo 4 would’ve been better that way imo
inner basin
Forerunner tech should not be this easy to reverse engineer
That’s basically what I just said if you read in between the lines
cedar surge
I argue it should take decades maybe even close to a century to start understanding forerunner tech
Yea
Also
The forerunner Spartan suit
inner basin
Is it Venator or something?
feral perch
just throw Halsey at it, like they did. She can do smart stuff and bam
gilded mason
Ah, Halsey. She can even hack a Forerunner AI from a dang terminal.
She is...superwoman
inner basin
Halsey uses neural physics
gilded mason
Ah yes
cedar surge
Deus ex halsey
feral perch
Also they had Huragok from Onyx helping them.
cedar surge
I hope that with the created takeover and eeventual destruction that some forerunner tech gets destroyed
inner basin
I hope that with the created takeover and eeventual destruction that some forerunner tech gets destroyed
I want to see the Infinity go down. It’s too OP
cedar surge
Well yea
And the unsc is being stupid with it
You do not put your posed warship all alone in the middle of space with only frigates as support
inner basin
I think the Autumn-class Heavy cruiser makes sense post-war considering the UNSC’s somewhat stable alliance with the SoS. That could be a solid explanation for energy-shielding
gilded mason
The Infinity is weird. It's simultaneously weak as heck, getting disabled every other week, yet also OP, with those attacks never actually sticking and just completely hogging the spotlight and having people say "Oh yeah, it could easily beat a CAS or CSO."
cedar surge
We don't get to see other captains,admirals and other ships do battle
inner basin
Well we got a bit of SoF space battle, but it didn’t really last long lmao. SoF uses Spartan insertion
feral perch
“Nooooo you can’t just ram through the hull of my CRS-class light cruiser!”
“Haha Infinity’s prow go skrrshboom”
gilded mason
Y'know what would've been funny...if during Palmer's speech when that happened, it turns out it wasn't that easy to just frickin' ram another starship of that size. And it just completely ruins the front of the ship. Everyone just looks at each other.
inner basin
Imagine if Palmer fell from her little balcony when the Infinity rammed the CRS. Now that would be hilarious
gilded mason
lol
feral perch
imagine if Palmer fell and didn’t stop falling
inner basin
What? 
I mean I’m kinda getting shooting star meme vibes from that, but also really confused
feral perch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cedar surge
Yea I sure do want to watch the most powerful ship in all of humanity to fight another space battle. I have absolutely no idea how this is going to turn out
Being on the most powerful ship in humanity is boring
Because we know its going to survive
Unlike other classes of ships which may or may not have shielding which may totally dir
feral perch
I like it because I like it when humans win
cedar surge
Sure
But I would be more fine with it if it didn't get nearly ever space battle all by itself
We never get to see the autumn,anlace,Poseidon ships in action
Its all infinity and her stridents
I care more about a fleet vulnerable to destruction than a singular ship that will never be destroyed
unique rune
the ship the Infinity plowed straight through was an RCS-class
feral perch
what an imaginative name heh
cedar surge
That name makes it sound like a toy
gilded mason
Remote
Control
Ship
cedar surge
Beside
I'm fine with humanity winning
But not with a singular ship
Besides what idiot would put their flagship all alone in the middle of space
carmine sleet
I don't think the RCS in the opening of Spartan Ops was alone, there was plenty of other ships about
You just can't really prepare for a ship suddenly appearing out of slipspace and smashing through another
gilded mason
Talking about Infinity being alone, not the RCS
carmine sleet
Oh, I see. Doesn't Infinity deploy smaller ships in the same cutscene?
unique rune
Yeah, Infinity deploys her complement of Stridents.
unique rune
I feel like you’re ignoring how UNSC ships in general didn’t have a great track record against Covenant ships
Without energy shielding, plasma and laser weaponry just burned straight through their hulls, while Covenant vessels were protected from the missiles and guns typically employed by the UNSC
Frigates aren’t much more than engines strapped to MACs, which were practically the one single thing that could consistently put a hole through Covenant shielding and armor
unique rune
Frigates have missiles
They do, but that’s not what gave them any fighting chance against the Covenant
Maybe for something like surface bombardment but they’re mostly useless in ship-to-ship engagements
cedar surge
Useless until the shields go down
unique rune
By the time that happens, I’m pretty sure the UNSC force would already be losing that engagement.
cedar surge
Keys and Cole would disagree
dusty prawn
The vast majority of early book space battles had the mac guns take down the shields in timing with missile impacts
That’s just how they did it. It’s kinda reflected in the reach game why you fly that sabre, kinda
In timing as in prior to missiles iirc, unless I have that backwards. I honestly might, I’ve been woosy all day
Point is, is missiles were totes useful, considering they didn’t have much of a fighting chance to begin with
unique rune
Missiles were useful, yeah, I’m not arguing against that point. But the main issue is that they don’t do much unless the shields are out first, which is what made MACs so important.
versed helm
emp can take down shields, right?
unique rune
They can overload shields, yeah. Good luck finding one powerful enough to take out a warship’s shields though.
dusty prawn
They needed nova bomb missiles. Imagine. Imagine the chaos
unique rune
Short of a nuke I don’t think there’d be many options for disabling ship shielding with an EMP.
versed helm
how about chucking a heck load of plasma nades?
if one can disable a wraith
they could disable a lot en mass
or a high frequency rhythmic pulse generator
instead of a one hit wonder
keep chipping away at fast rate
cedar surge
I don't think that's how it works
What works on as ground vehicle won't scale up
Plus I think post war missiles are better
There was one scene in the comics where students were launching missiles and those missiles were messing up covenant ships in one blast
cedar surge
So do humans celebrate the day the HCW ended?
Actually I'm not sure if humanity could all do it on the same day
versed helm
Wouldnt they have a unified calendar?
unique rune
I'm pretty sure there is a unified calendar, based on Earth time, if I remember correctly.
It'd result in some discrepancies between Earth and local time though.
obsidian thistle
@cedar surge its alluded to in the short "Petra" in Halo: First Strikes 2010 adjunct that they celebrate the anniversary of it
cedar surge
Oh
So where do de commissioned ships go? On halopedia it says the marathon class was decomisioned after the autumn class came out
Which also must mean the navy is a comfortable enough place to decomision capital ships like that
inner basin
Well the UNSC Commonwealth was being decommissioned at the ship breaking yards at Aszod on Reach
feral perch
Shipbreaking yards eventually
inner basin
I think you can see the Commonwealth half way through decommission during the Pillar of Autumn level in the Halo Reach campaign
cedar surge
Yea I think the ship breaking yards are now at tribute
Also why decomission a frigate during the war
For the marathon class it makes sense since the war was over
terse lava
The ship was likely too damaged to be of anymore use
west silo
What kind of food do grunts eat?
terse lava
Meat and food nipples
terse lava
Nutrient paste
west silo
Was it a sigma octus
terse lava
Smells like old cheese wrapped in sweaty gym socks according to a marine
west silo
Nasty
versed helm
Grunts loves the nipple
inner basin
Was it a sigma octus
@west silo No, I believe it was Draco III, the birth planet of Buck
feral perch
I misread that as "birth of planet Buck"
an entire planet made out of Nathan Fillion would be...
carmine sleet
Would reality be able to handle that?
inner basin
I misread that as "birth of planet Buck"
The word I was looking for was homeworld but it slipped my mind when I was typing it
feral perch
i think you stumbled upon an indescribably charismatic concept
inner basin
an entire planet made out of Nathan Fillion would be...
I just imagine the UNSC flying up to this planet then, at that point, a transmission is sent from the planet itself saying “Well here I am”
candid laurel
a planet made out of Nathan Fillion slaughtering Covenant and Mercenaries alike
going through ancient ruins and destroying them in the process
fair hazel
You wrote nathan drake..
terse lava
Planet Buck gets pulled towards a black hole Now, get SET, for a combat drop
chrome hearth
anyone feel up for watching one of the Halo movies? join me in general discussion vc.
chrome hearth
i left? hold on
my bad, i was scrolling through some of my other discords and must've clicked on one of the voice channels.
@candid laurel alright, two choices. Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn or Halo: Nightfall? Nightfall was made in the mind of being an action horror movie.
candid laurel
on second thought i'm kind of in the middle of a game
chrome hearth
no problem
cedar surge
So how are tge covenant remnants getting ammo for needlers
Isn't it only at sanghellios moon?
And how is it so widespread if its only from one planet
unique rune
Blamite is only known to be found on Suban, yeah. Most Covenant remnants probably have connections to Sangheili arms manufacturers to source it.
A: Suban is indeed the only known source of the beautiful - but deadly - crystalline material used for Needle ammunition. However, due to the vast and expansive breadth of the former Covenant empire, hundreds of carefully curated storage facilities were employed across dozens of systems to serve as local waystations for Covenant fleets to restock their stores. Following the collapse of that empire, these stores have become ripe for the picking by any number of interested and opportunistic parties. Additionally, not all factions with active mining operations on Suban are loyal to the Swords of Sanghelios, or even the Sangheili specifically – in an ever-volatile galactic landscape, many manufacturers are content to supply raw materials to whoever has the gekz, regardless of affiliation.```
From the 7/8/2016 Canon Fodder article.So somehow the Covenant mined up enough blamite and had vast amounts of it stored all over.
Seems a bit far-fetched since it's all sourced from a single moon, but that's the canon explanation we have, so.
terse lava
well it is also an entire moon, not just a few veins. Plus it mostly likley doesn't take much to craft the needles
unique rune
I suppose that's probably true.
Just seems a little out there to me since a single moon is supposed to be providing the entire Covenant's supply of a material that isn't exactly used sparsely.
terse lava
man I miss the days of canon fodder fridays
terse lava
mhm, even just the add-ons to the universe page too
versed helm
Anyone else besides me want to see more Covenant centered novels?
terse lava
Alwways
versed helm
Wish they would release a paperback version of Shadow of Intent
Along with an audiobook version
terse lava
well it did fit into Halo:Fractures so there is a paperback of it
it's just one of several stories rather then it's own thing
versed helm
True
terse lava
I would enjoy one focused on one of the wars mentioned in the commando harness bio
cedar surge
I like reading canon fodder
terse lava
mhm
cedar surge
So does those manufacturers also take Cr?
I could see some insurrectionists trying to get some
terse lava
hm?
cedar surge
The manufactures selling blamite
Oh wait
Blamite explodes
That's why its called that
terse lava
it's more so just a callback to one of Halo's old working titles
vague scroll
Blam! as it were
also on that note, no there aren't any known Insurrectionist factions operating beyond the human sphere and in the direction of Sanghelios or the former Covenant worlds
and Insurrectionists don't usually use cR
Insurrectionists generally use flex cards (Venezia at least), Covenant used to use Gekz
strong sage
Anyone knows what kind rounds MA40 use? Still 7.62 or possible different?
unique rune
It’s probably still 7.62 but I don’t think it’s publically known yet. Nothing on the model seen in the campaign demo or other promo stuff seems to indicate what ammunition the MA40 accepts.
cedar surge
You think marine armor in infinite any different?
Sure it looks different
But do you think it will preform better against energy weapons?
terse lava
dont see why, unless we are outright told
unique rune
From what little we do have of the new Marine BDU... it doesn't look a whole lot different from the cross-branch BDU seen in Reach, so.
I doubt it'll be any more effective than that iteration.
I'm a little bit sad about the new Marine gear being more like the type seen in Reach. Was rather fond of the post-War getup introduced in Halo 4, though I seem to be just about the only one who feels that way.
unique rune
The colors on the post-War BDU were probably always my biggest gripe. The fairly common combination of beige, brown-red, and olive drab really did not look great.
cedar surge
Yea when you give them color they looked way more ridiculous
I take these versions more seriously https://www.halopedia.org/images/thumb/8/87/Marine_Evolution.jpg/1200px-Marine_Evolution.jpg
Than thesehttps://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/f/f9/H4-UNSCMarineVariants.jpg/revision/latest/top-crop/width/300/height/300?cb=20160830052417
cedar surge
Was odst armor faring much better against plasma?
terse lava
No
cedar surge
So in reach six had to use a pack to safely get down to earth right?
gilded mason
Yeh
cedar surge
So does that pack is not needed anymore
humble yacht
Chief’s fall isn’t comparable
cedar surge
Jerome falling from the CAS onto the ark
humble yacht
He had a heat shied and fell from a shorter height
cedar surge
Also isn't Jerome using a 2 decade old suit?
So oupost discovery
Is all of it canon?
lethal comet
Chief jumped off the dreadnought after it entered the atmosphere
And he used a forerunner door to break his fall
terse lava
I still wonder whatever happened to the ship brought Thel, Johnson, and Miranda to Earth
craggy sierra
I’m pretty sure that was the shipmasters ship.
humble yacht
Shadow of intent didn’t arrive til floodgate
craggy sierra
Didn’t it?
humble yacht
Unless it dropped them off then left then came back
craggy sierra
I figured it was just hanging out off screen or something until the plot deemed it time for it to exist.
humble yacht
The elites in floodgate talk as if they just came from I05
Makes it sound like Rtas stayed behind to keep the flood at bay and only abandoned post when they breached his blockade
cedar surge
Why did the unsc just leave a frigate just sitting there
humble yacht
Sitting where
cedar surge
What if the flood used it to escape from the ark
terse lava
what now?
cedar surge
The in amber clad I think
terse lava
The flood couldn't reach the frigate, it wasn't close enough to any landmass
gilded mason
Talking about Johnson parking the Dawn on Halo 08?
terse lava
or,if you wanna look deep into it
humble yacht
We don’t know how the flood took the Amber Clad
terse lava
The Gravemind wanted them to leave
craggy sierra
We don’t know how the flood took the Amber Clad
@humble yacht actually, I think we might
humble yacht
Teleported?
craggy sierra
No
gilded mason
Aw
humble yacht
I guess flood have been shown to be able to pilot a pelican, albeit badly
cedar surge
Yes
craggy sierra
It’s suuper easy to miss and I might be reading it wrong but in Quarantine Zone I think or one of those arbiter missions. I don’t know, the one with the vehicle section and Marty shredding on the guitar.
terse lava
well in the flood's defense, the pilot always dies
gilded mason
That's QZ, yes
cedar surge
You would pilot a vehicle badly if it was meant for two hands and you have 3
humble yacht
Marty doesn’t shred on guitar
terse lava
or ten hands
cedar surge
And 6 pedals for 4 directions
terse lava
anyway, what about the level?
craggy sierra
When you come out of one of the tunnel in the distance you see a fairly innocuous Pelican taking off from what seems to be a hot combat zone and fly away.
terse lava
oh no it's not taking off
craggy sierra
I’m pretty sure it was
terse lava
that's Miranda's pelican flying over the battle
cedar surge
Why couldn't the flood also done a warthog run onto the foward onto dawn
terse lava
you see it crashed later by the library entrance
cedar surge
They can use the vehicles
humble yacht
Because mb only kept the path clear for Chief
humble yacht
Well that’s not true
gilded mason
Oh?
cedar surge
Hey its sad but you can't evacuate every warthog
humble yacht
There’s a warthog at every pillar
terse lava
plus when you think about it, MB was likely helping tear down the place on top of the flood
gilded mason
Wait, really?
cedar surge
Some have to be left behind
gilded mason
Huh, guess my eyes always glazed over them
cedar surge
Mendicant was helping chief in 3?
terse lava
well canon-wise are they really there?
craggy sierra
I might need to replay that mission but I’m almost certain that pelican was taking off and flying away in a direction that wasn’t towards the library.
terse lava
he was on Halo yes
humble yacht
According to the final terminal, yes he kept chief safe during his escape
terse lava
nope,it was flying from the frigate, over the QZ, and making a bee-line for the library
gilded mason
This makes me wish the flying skull was available for Halo 2
terse lava
whole reason you see the ship hovering nearby later in the level
agreed
one day maybe...along with a perma-camo skull
humble yacht
Maybe one day we’ll get all those steaks Bungie owes
round comet
maybe
terse lava
only if Bungie masters neural physics to finish their slingshot
with an extra cup of darkness
humble yacht
Would you like extra triangles with your steak?
round comet
would i need to pay extra for that
humble yacht
Yes
It’s like guac at chipotle
I wonder if when The Traveler arrived at earth, it saw the pyramids of Giza and went like “nope”
gilded mason
darkness
SUBMIT SUBMIT
COME GUARDIAN
round comet
I wonder if when The Traveler arrived at earth, it saw the pyramids of Giza and went like “nope”
LOL
yes.
humble yacht
Also how did a darkness ship exist on the moon for so long without letting the rest of its friends know
Assuming it got there after the traveler
You’d think it’d notice a big white orb floating just about earth
terse lava
it was shy
humble yacht
That looked more like laziness
“Oh shoot, there’s the traveler. I’ll notify the rest of the fleet... right after I take nap on this moon... zzzzzz”
terse lava
speaking of...have we even seen what darkness....looks like?
humble yacht
The individuals? No
terse lava
like, a single hivemind? a species?
round comet
its very dark
humble yacht
We’ve only seen their ships
terse lava
what about that copy of the protag
round comet
17 Healthy and Practical Ways to Break Out of Laziness
humble yacht
Probably not an actual darkness entity but a projection
terse lava
of course
humble yacht
(But we all know the real reason was because Bungie didn’t want to make new models)
terse lava
eh true I guess
round comet
:kek:
terse lava
Pity I stopped playing destiny
terse lava
hm...did moon pyramid cause horrible tentacle horror?
terse lava
then no
round comet
but they both do be lazy tho
terse lava
eh, whole plot is weird and slightly lazy
humble yacht
Weren’t all the ghosts connected by ethereal tentacles or some crap?
terse lava
thought it was just each held a shard of traveler light
humble yacht
Maybe I’m thinking of Death Stranding
terse lava
never played it so who knows
round comet
death stranding is..interesting
terse lava
will pass, from what I have seen too weird
craggy sierra
There’s no such thing as a game that’s too weird if you ask me
terse lava
hm, I wonder how the various alien races in Destiny would fare in Halo
lethal comet
Not well
round comet
oh its very weird, usually kojima has a team of writers to filter the "too weird" ideas
but here he's just in full flow lol
terse lava
well you already have the Covenant I mean Fallen
could see them as a fringe, as for the Cabal...not sure
craggy sierra
I’m still convinced the fallen are just enemies from Marathon.
terse lava
won't argue against that ^ as for humanity vs Vex, I am curious why you think that
humble yacht
Cabal are a pretty standard sci fi military force
I don’t think they have anything UNSC hasn’t really seen before
Vex time travel
Totally unfair
terse lava
yeah but they can blow up stars....apparently, or ram planets. Something crazy like that
Covenant vs Cabal anyone?
terse lava
Lousy NOVA bomb
gilded mason
aaaaAAAAAAA
craggy sierra
Mood
terse lava
I still hold that the Covenant have something similar
gilded mason
It'd certainly be odd if they didn't
terse lava
Precursor get star roads, Forerunners have the halos, humans have NOVA
humble yacht
aaaaAAAAAAA
That’s how I feel about precursors
terse lava
that's just the logic plague talking Chimera
round comet
chimera has what
craggy sierra
aaaaAAAAAAA
That’s how I feel about logic plague
terse lava
sword logic?....
gilded mason
"DOES CORTANA HAVE THE LOOOOGIC PLAGUE? WATCH THIS 10 HOUR VIDEO"
humble yacht
Killing a hive doesn’t actually kill it, which is dumb and cheating
terse lava
...what?
round comet
oh right logic plague, i like it for MB but i absolutely despise it for cortana because it neither makes sense nor is good writing.
humble yacht
You have to kill hive in their ascendant realm to fully kill them
terse lava
are you telling me I purged the moon multiple times for nothing
humble yacht
Otherwise they can come back
gilded mason
oh right logic plague, i like it for MB but i absolutely despise it for cortana because it neither makes sense nor is good writing.
Indeed.
terse lava
Eh I dislike the LP,I agree with Chimera that MB choosing on his own was better
cedar surge
Could a gravemind just start speedtalking on waypoint and infect thousands of smart AI in under a minute?
humble yacht
It was better when mb chose to join the flood of his own will rather than be subverted
terse lava
actually wait a minute
was it truly, utterly confirmed he fell to LP? Wasn't that just what the Forerunners came to the conclusion of?
humble yacht
Ask Greg bear
craggy sierra
I mean I’m kinda indifferent to MB’s reasoning. He still kinda helped his own kind to an early grave and had to sit in the naughty corner for 100,000 years to think about what he did.
terse lava
this is why I like the Covenant, they are beliviable
round comet
was it truly, utterly confirmed he fell to LP? Wasn't that just what the Forerunners came to the conclusion of?
i think he was?
like as far as i know he def did
cedar surge
Could there ever be a AI that's as smart as the gravemind and lock it in a eternal loop of debate?
round comet
Could a gravemind just start speedtalking on waypoint and infect thousands of smart AI in under a minute?
no lol
terse lava
well...actally there was
round comet
and i dont see why he'd want to
round comet
Could there ever be a AI that's as smart as the gravemind and lock it in a eternal loop of debate?
abbadon/organon/domain
terse lava
yep
cedar surge
Well hasn't the logic plague gone from a debate to the flood can just infect any AI it speaks too?
gilded mason
Always hated Abbadon
terse lava
that's only later stages
cedar surge
Who is abbadon
terse lava
a precursor AI
craggy sierra
It took the gravemind 75 years to get it on MB
terse lava
whose mind the Domain was built on
humble yacht
When did Abaddon converse with GRavemind?
cedar surge
Could multiple AI gang up on the gravemind in debate then?
round comet
Well hasn't the logic plague gone from a debate to the flood can just infect any AI it speaks too?
the logic plague theory for cortana sucks. period.
terse lava
he didn't,the question was couldan AI be as smart as gravemind
gilded mason
Abaddon made the Domain/Precursors way too..."close", as it were.
versed helm
Wasn't Abbadon at the domain when the IsoDidact went back after the rings fired?
cedar surge
Is abandon a real person?
gilded mason
An AI.
round comet
Wasn't Abbadon at the domain when the IsoDidact went back after the rings fired?
indeed.
humble yacht
Well gravemind was the mind of an actual precursor plus a few trillion minds
Abaddon was just a creation
cedar surge
Oh I thought you were talking about a author @gilded mason
versed helm
Halo lore is so fascinating
cedar surge
Yea
humble yacht
Unless the precursors follow the trend of creating intelligence smarter than themselves
round comet
It took the gravemind 75 years to get it on MB
42
humble yacht
43.375 ish
cedar surge
Would the precursors even need AI?
versed helm
I thought it was 43
round comet
okay, 43
cedar surge
They are already gods
terse lava
well, we do get a comparsion on abbadon compared to the best forerunner AI. A keyship to a wodden canoe
round comet
Would the precursors even need AI?
why woudnt they?
terse lava
everyone loves ai
cedar surge
That so
versed helm
Mendicant Bias is Goat
round comet
eh.
terse lava
..what?
terse lava
how would they be doomed?
terse lava
If the Covenant found Reqiuem during the war, nothing would happen
cedar surge
Mangoes approach
terse lava
it only opened thanks to chief
cedar surge
Oh really
round comet
mangoes mangoes mangoes
terse lava
yeah, reclaimer fancy pants title
versed helm
The covenant can't do anything with Forerunner technology because Humanity are reclaimers right?
cedar surge
What about using engineers
terse lava
the Covenant can do plenty with forerunner tech
gilded mason
They just have to try harder.
terse lava
they just don't get the VIP status and have to work harder
round comet
it only opened thanks to chief
@cedar surge just like the halos, other forerunner stuff can only be activated by hoomans
terse lava
again, wrong
cedar surge
I don't like how humanity got that fancy "oh we are the kings of the universe" title
terse lava
only important forerunner sites are encoded for humans
cedar surge
Yea they can actually be activated by engineers
terse lava
they can be activated by a normal covenant soldier too
versed helm
ah ok
round comet
yeah i mean important stuff, like halos
gilded mason
Not only by engineers, yeah
cedar surge
Or hunter worms I think
terse lava
Thel turned off the QZ shield remember
ancient sangheili improved their tech with forerunner stuff
cedar surge
A stupid decision
terse lava
not as stupid as parking a frigate over a flood zone
gilded mason
A stupid decision```
Though at that point, there was no Floodhmm i think something like this was at the other halo ring,in sure nothing bad can happen this time
Well you see @terse lava
terse lava
well think about this,last time the Covenant were caught unprepared for the flood
this time, they sent only dropships
cedar surge
Parking the frigate there was a tactical maneuver
You just don't understand the detail of it
terse lava
I could not read that with a straight face
round comet
terse lava
I guess it shouldn't be a terrible surprise from Miranda "To war" Keyes
gilded mason
She tries her best. =(
cedar surge
Well it is captained by the person who walked up stairs,fiddled with her gun,says "to war" in response to someone asking for orders,walks down stairs to actually give some
terse lava
true
west silo
She went to save Johnson by also nearly killing him
cedar surge
That's the cringist thing in any halo game
terse lava
I will admit this, she pretty much has the worst end in the entire franchise
cedar surge
Yea
terse lava
as far as she knows, she doomed the galaxy
terse lava
well just the fact she was killed, knowing she failed
west silo
Had a dramatic moment in front of the enemy
cedar surge
Oh im just going to break into tthis heavily guarded room all by myself and shoot a brute with a shotgun and get shot in the back
west silo
Getting her killed
cedar surge
Actually how did Miranda not explod
round comet
miranda was killed for the sake of it, lol.
"how about we kill her so we get drama and emotion"
craggy sierra
Tbh they did that to both her and johnson
cedar surge
Didnt Marty say that some characters had to die
craggy sierra
Staten was really opposed to it
cedar surge
And that nobody would get attached to the marines
terse lava
I could have lived with chief getting axed too
gilded mason
He saw that nobody died in the script so he was like, "Welp. Time to kill...Miranda."
west silo
Whats funny about the scene is that a phantom was right outside
craggy sierra
That among other reasons is why I’ve begun developing a bit of a jaded opinion of Marty
cedar surge
Death of a character for the sake of character death is dumb
terse lava
is odd how the phantom didn't just smash through the window
west silo
Or drop elites
cedar surge
You know what would have helped
terse lava
there was only 3, the pilot and 2 gunners
terse lava
or spark
cedar surge
Or any other actual soldiers
west silo
At least bring someone
cedar surge
She is a captain of a ship
terse lava
actually wait what was stopping spark from helping?
craggy sierra
Couldn’t we have just mac cannoned the control room after dropping the shield?