Nah, he'll just cry on the floor
#lore-and-universe
gilded mason
Did the covenant do much genetic modding?
Augmentations```
Confirmed for Prelates, unknown for anything else
alpine merlin
Only really with prelates and even then they could only use their augmentations briefly
versed helm
It would've been fun to fight an enhanced Elite or Brute
alpine merlin
Or they could die lol
feral perch
Tem 'Bhetek got beaten by two Sangheili who were past their prime and one exceptional Unggoy. Not impressive.
gilded mason
Tem 'Bhetek got beaten by two Sangheili who were past their prime
Who?
gilded mason
Rtas is nowhere near past his prime
feral perch
s e m a n t i c s
clever fable
Please do not badmouth Rtas. 😤
alpine merlin
Tem 'Bhetek got beaten by two Sangheili
@feral perch
The chief could be bested by a Sangheilli in hand to hand combat tbf
feral perch
he says himself that he's getting old and feeling tired
craggy sierra
That’s a mood
feral perch
The chief could be bested by a Sangheilli in hand to hand combat tbf
@alpine merlin
Three separate situations say otherwise.
gilded mason
And other situations don't
feral perch
such as?
versed helm
I wonder how the Ussans from Broken Circle might return
gilded mason
Fights from TFoR and First Strike
feral perch
The Prelate's defeat on board the Shadow of Intent does not inspire confidence.
terse lava
And against major Thel 'Lodamee
gilded mason
Hey, it's Rtas
feral perch
Chief bested that Ranger in TFoR, and he defeated that Elite on the bridge of the Ascendant Justice, albeit with a little bit of help.
gilded mason
A little bit?
versed helm
doesnt change the fact he rekt em
gilded mason
And what I'm trying to say: Not all fights are going to be with people that are uniform in strength
versed helm
And he got rekt by the Ur-Didact before the Librarian enhanced him
gilded mason
There's gonna be variation
feral perch
But the fact that he defeated a First Blade in hand-to-hand combat at the age of 15 is the best example... Chief is more than capable of beating any Sangheili in CQC.
alpine merlin
Zuka 'Zamamee almost kills him on the pillar of autumn when chief goes to blow the reactor
clever fable
Got rekt even when she did enhance him. lol
feral perch
Chief blows Zuka up, though.
gilded mason
Chief is more than capable of beating any Sangheili in CQC.
Or Szatulai simply dropped the ball.
alpine merlin
In the novel 'The Flood' the chief even makes a point of taking out elites before they get too close
clever fable
always was known for having butter fingers.
feral perch
I'm gonna go with my interpretation.
alpine merlin
Chief blows Zuka up, though.
@feral perch
Because cortana crashed the elevator
gilded mason
There's gonna be Sangheili stronger than John. There's gonna be Sangheili weaker than John. Some with better tactics, some with worse, etc.
feral perch
always was known for having butter fingers.
@clever fable
what does this even mean, he was in exactly 1 novel
alpine merlin
True
versed helm
What about Arby
clever fable
@clever fable
what does this even mean, he was in exactly 1 novel
@feral perch A joke, my guy. lol
cedar surge
How much did the covenant know about the Spartans?
feral perch
Not too much.
cedar surge
Generations,armor,augs?
feral perch
Even by 2552, rumors of Spartans were discouraged among the Covenant's ranks.
alpine merlin
They wanted to kill and capture Johns armor on installation 04 for research
terse lava
A silent shadow was able to. Capture the blueprints of spartan armor, but those were lost when his ship was destroyed
feral perch
And he got rekt by the Ur-Didact before the Librarian enhanced him
@versed helm
The Forerunner Warrior-Servant =/= a sangheili
versed helm
How much damage did Mars receive during the Covenant's invasion of the Sol System?
feral perch
definitely some
carmine sleet
The Chief only managed to defeat the Ur-Didact in Halo 4 due to getting lucky and Cortana managing to anchor him down by manipulating the Hard Light Bridge. Chief likely wouldn't have stood a chance against the Ur-Didact if none of that happened
clever fable
Pretty cool how he was able to take a knife to the brain and not really care.
versed helm
So what would the population of Mars be?
clever fable
Wish he didn't get omega-extra-composed.
carmine sleet
Pretty cool how he was able to take a knife to the brain and not really care.
The knife was in his eye, not his brain
humble yacht
i wouldn't be surprised if it reached his brain, tbh
clever fable
I mean it looked pretty lodged in there, but that's just how I took it.
feral perch
Forerunner armor can do a lot of things
humble yacht
i just assumed that a living forerunner could tank a brain injury and keep going
feral perch
not a bad guess
humble yacht
aside from maybe having their whole head crushed
winged pendant
So I checked out some of Spartan Tanaka’s comic book background
It sucks that the lore that makes then not a bland character is kept out of the main media that people see her most in.
Same goes for Locke and Vale
terse lava
Heck his armor was likely in the process of already repairing his brain and eye
feral perch
it doesn't help that the character models and dialogue are so... bleh for both Vale and Tanaka.
Even Buck seems out of character in Halo 5.
versed helm
but how do they eat? neural physics, thats how
inner basin
I try not to think about how they eat in Mjolnir. The imagery is somewhat disturbing
clever fable
Does mjolnir come with extra ketchup packets, or does that cost too much for the UNSC?
versed helm
Or how Forerunners are vegetarians
feral perch
they take off their helmets to eat
clever fable
Well that's no fun. Think of all the lore we could write that involves them eating with the helmet on.
carmine sleet
I don't think it's a good idea to pull an Agent Washington when it comes to eating food
clever fable
It is a terrible idea, but it will be an entertaining one.
unique rune
Maybe they'd just eat nutrition paste fed through a tube
Like a food nipple, except slightly more edible
terse lava
They juat dispense a small hose and drink food like a fly
alpine merlin
I wonder how much food they would have to consume
versed helm
So does anyone remember where Yprin and her team discovered the Primoridial?
clever fable
thought it was on the rim?
versed helm
I like to know more about that location
Iirc,it was some ravaged planetoid near the edge of the galaxy
I also like to know more about the planets that humanity found that powder that was the Flood
winged pendant
Hey what is the general view on Roland?
cedar surge
He is ok I guess
versed helm
Are the Precursors like gods or no?
humble yacht
they're closer to gods than I'd like in a sci fi franchise
tbh it's still unclear how much the forerunners were actually able to hurt them
they claim most were killed but at the same times, precursors shed physical forms like underwear
terse lava
Did I need that image Chimera?
humble yacht
seems like killing a precursor's body is meaningless when it can just think a new one into existence
clever fable
Once a day, accidents not included?
terse lava
I did find it odd though they could just make new bodies yet this last time they failed at it
humble yacht
maybe they didn't fail at it
maybe they just all left to a new galaxy
except for the ones who became flood
terse lava
That's who I mean
terse lava
I doubt that
humble yacht
or rather fed it to pets that we then ate
terse lava
It sat like that for 10 million years
clever fable
The instructions on pheru-steak said to leave it alone for that long.
versed helm
i think the pet things turned into the flood
terse lava
I think the forerunners damaged the precursors in a certain way to prevent what would be a typical faster regeneration
humble yacht
the pheru ate the dust, then grew tumors that they ate, then they ate each other, then we ate them, then we ate each other
and that's how the flood formed
versed helm
the circle of life
versed helm
but then again, they did survive a war on two fronts for some time
clever fable
Wasn't the crux of it that they didn't show signs of infection? Just "favorable" traits or some such?
terse lava
Not really, the flood escaped their territory pretty easily
versed helm
the crux was that the flood didnt go after the old humies in full force
clever fable
I meant specifically the humans eating pheru bit.
terse lava
Isn't that a step backwards to humans surviving? They were getting steamrolled by the flood and forerunners
They only did well against the forerunners due to san shyuum tech and precursor relics
cedar surge
Man the "to war" line has got to be the cringiest line in the while game
So how long was the jackals space faring before the covenant?
terse lava
Dont think it's ever said. They had colonized asteroids though so maybe around a century or more
cedar surge
Wait the jackals only have millions of people on the capital planet?
Shouldn't that mean fringe?
cedar surge
Also has the UEG stated doing diplomacy with fribddge species
Hired help
So not really part of the covenant then
humble yacht
they were a part, yes, but they're a pirate/mercenary race
it's not really clear how devout the jackals were compared to elites or brutes
cedar surge
i would say not much i think
terse lava
Some sorta were, Reth from Cole Protocol was an apparent believer
cedar surge
skirmishers came from the jackal moon right
terse lava
He saw the kig-yar being elevated to the right hand of the san shyuum, and that the hierarchs would smile on his race in the Great Journey
gilded mason
Some amount of them.
cedar surge
yea but in 3 every covenant species was fighting us again
humble yacht
i mean, the brutes were the ones with all the covenant money
gilded mason
Gameplay reasons, yes
humble yacht
it's not like the elites raided the coffers as they defected
cedar surge
i think the reason why is that that some people be able to tell the differnce
gilded mason
Just like with the Hunters
cedar surge
Heck a person thought CE had to many factions
4 factions
one "space zombies", another aliens, another robots
how do you not tell them apart
hey did the frindge species join in on the schism?
cedar surge
like near main species?
gilded mason
I guess if anyone felt like they had something at stake and could even make a difference with their tech, I could see it. Maybe to garner favor with a winning side, or choosing now to "do what's right"
cedar surge
hey anybody remeber the gremlin?
so the requiem campaign is a reverse of the harvest campaign
cedar surge
They have tea?
And the can't exactly sip it right
They have to throw it down
I actually wonder in what situation does that mouth actually helps
ornate sierra
all i knew was they were at least as old as the Forerunners
humble yacht
the forerunners are much older than the flood
the flood didn't officially manifest until the final millenia of the forerunner's empire
ornate sierra
The Flood killed off the Forerunners right
ornate sierra
because the forerunners got into a war with the flood
ive always wondered how the flood make a gravemind
i know if they accumulate enough biomass the create one but how
does it go from just a large group to a hivemind
humble yacht
they take dead bodies and put them together and convert them into flood cells
humble yacht
if you're asking what the minimum mass for a gravemind is, that's not known
suffice to say it requires alot of mass
ornate sierra
no what im asking is do the flood build a gravemind or does it just form
cedar surge
I think its that they take man nervous system and cobble them together
cedar surge
So graveminds can become planet sized grabemimd
cedar surge
Can there be a system sized gravemind?
humble yacht
it's called Feral Stage
cedar surge
The one in HW2 was way larger than the one at the ring
But it was nearly a gravemind so
humble yacht
you never see the full size of the H2 gravemind
humble yacht
there's probably a lot of it that was not shown. like the tip of an iceberg
cedar surge
Shouldn't have the SoF crew and banished teamed up and destroy the gravemind?
ornate sierra
all i saw was a big worm shark thing
humble yacht
the SoF crew probably wasn't aware of the outbreak
humble yacht
they probably had their hands full with whatever Atriox was doing
ornate sierra
my sibling have know idea what im talking about when i go on a rant
humble yacht
the banished managed to handle the outbreak with just a portion of their forces so it's not like it was that big
well if the SoF was aware of it, the game didn't make that clear
cedar surge
Yea I think a mac strike would have come
Oh wait
They can't do that
Archer strike then
ornate sierra
what does SoF stand for
cedar surge
Spirit of fire
cedar surge
I think there is a autumn class named pillar of autumn 2
Speaking of the PoA
When it blew up it made a new element right
How could have that happened
ornate sierra
Actually the Pillar of autumn is a Halcyon class vessal
cedar surge
Chief just blew up the reactors
gilded mason
Let's...not think about that aspect of Nightfall
cedar surge
@ornate sierra the autumn class is basically halcyon class 2
carmine sleet
The explosion was powerful enough to cause changes on a subatomic level, let's just leave it at that because I'm not a physicist and I have no clue if it's even possible for an explosion to do that
cedar surge
What?
cedar surge
Well
ornate sierra
why just humans
cedar surge
How conviniet
feral perch
because plot
gilded mason
And it can easily be searched for out of the entire universe in a few minutes
feral perch
hooray
cedar surge
Sounds dumb
gilded mason
I just choose to pretend it doesn't exist
cedar surge
Did it all get used up?
ornate sierra
all i know is the explosion blew up the ring
cedar surge
Cause that's a plot convinece if I know one
How would humans get hurt but other species not?
carmine sleet
As for the Pillar of Autumn and Pillar of Autumn II. The Pillar of Autumn, the ship we blow up in CE, that was a Halcyon class with modifications that made it more effective. The Pillar of Autumn II (Electric Boogaloo) was the first of the Autumn class of ships
humble yacht
The explosion was powerful enough to cause changes on a subatomic level, let's just leave it at that because I'm not a physicist and I have no clue if it's even possible for an explosion to do that
lol that sounds like fiction to me
cedar surge
Quantum mechanics
humble yacht
actually nevermind
it's not that farfetched
playing with the numbers of protons and neutrons is the basis of nuclear physics
gilded mason
Honestly, they should have said it was a molecule.
But even then it was silly, since it mysteriously only effected humans
cedar surge
If all it took is the reactor exploding to find out about it how hasn't the unsc found out before
humble yacht
i thought for some reason it meant changes quarks and stuff
cedar surge
They blew up ships during Cole protocool
carmine sleet
Ok, yeah, that sounds about right Chimera, it's been so long since I did physics that I've forgotten stuff like that
cedar surge
Actually has it ever been explained why it only affects humans?
gilded mason
Nope
carmine sleet
It's explicitly called an element so it can't be a chemical since those are made up of multiple elements
cedar surge
I can't see a reason why it would affect humans and not other species
carmine sleet
Wait, no, I think I got that wrong, I need to go read up on this stuff
gilded mason
It is very contrived
Don't any elements not already on the table have, like, extremely short half-lives or something like that? Or really unstable?
humble yacht
an element is like the lowest building block for a chemical compound
ornate sierra
thats true
humble yacht
was the nature of that nightfall weapon radiation or something else?
how did it kill?
cedar surge
Was it like a gas form?
gilded mason
While Locke and his team undergo decontamination, reports continue to arrive of infections up to ten kilometers from the blast site. The bioagent, an entirely foreign element, appears to randomly break down human DNA, but does not affect the other species that also inhabit Sedra.```I heard biological weapon
west silo
Whats weirder was that the covenant were too scared to get it themselves
how did it kill?
@humble yacht
I think it selectively targeted human blood types or something
cedar surge
Ok that just seems dumb
gilded mason
^
cedar surge
There is no given reason why it only affects humans
humble yacht
halopedia calls it a bioweapon in some areas
cedar surge
It is just giving covenant remnants a kill humans free card
west silo
Its a new element thats literally it
cedar surge
Yea I think this is how ostral feels about the nova bomb
gilded mason
Ye
humble yacht
the weapon targeted DNA, not blood types
specifically red blood cell DNA
at the end of the day though it's not very grounded in real science so it's just your run of the mill fictional bioweapon
west silo
Wait then why didn't every human in the area die then
carmine sleet
Plot armour
west silo
Doesn't everyone have red blood cells?
humble yacht
it's not explained why it was selective
i imagine the writers did not want to get bogged down in the mechanisms of DNA damage and genetic marker targeting
west silo
Ehh its creation is already dumb anyways
So wait does this mean that if a fusion core blew up on a halo ring it would create this new element
humble yacht
Who knows all the variables that contributed
west silo
Autumn blew up on a ring?
humble yacht
Location in space, presence of materials or energy
west silo
The flood explains the explosion and nothing usually happens
carmine sleet
Autumn blew up on a ring?
It did, at the end of Combat Evolved, after Chief damaged the reactor with grenades/rockets
stable flower
There's a common misconception about the Gold Sentinels from Halo 2.
west silo
There's a common misconception about the Gold Sentinels from Halo 2.
@stable flower
What's that?
stable flower
They're referred to as Majors but they're really called Eliminators. The Majors are the silver ones with shields.
west silo
Oh
unique rune
Is... that canon?
I've literally never heard of them being called Aggressor Sentinel Eliminators.
west silo
To be honest there's nothing u can really do about it especially when a lot of people still think that only john and six are hipa lethal
carmine sleet
What does hyper lethal have to do with the canonicity of Sentinel names?
unique rune
Speaking of Sentinels.
I wonder if we'll ever get a full design for Safeguard Sentinels.
carmine sleet
I hope we will some day
unique rune
Would be neat to get a look at the Phaeton Eos at some point as well.
inner basin
I was just saying that some misconceptions will still exist
I’ve got a good one for you. People still thinking that all the IIIs are inferior to the IIs (without armour). It just really grinds my gears everytime I see someone say this
What makes it even worse is in some situations, when I try to correct them, they just say I’m wrong
inner basin
That doesn't mean they aren't on par with the IIs, and if that's their source, they'd learn that
stable flower
They're called Eliminators in the game files of Halo 2
obsidian thistle
Names in the "Code" are not canon. Though its one of the "only" way we can actually name stuff.
Just a distinction to make
If the Gold Sentinels dont keep the "Eliminators" name in later media. It would at that point be trivia/production note and no longer the primary name.
glass oak
Ye I mean we didn’t get in depth forerunner lore until 2012 so the forerunner Saga probs Trumps the game files for the not yet expanded OG trilogy
So anyone got some juicy lore to discuss I’m bored and want to be geeky plz 😂
terse lava
All good
cedar surge
I got a good one
glass oak
Plz 😂
cedar surge
How many trees does it take to kill a Spartan
Death by falling onto trees from orbit
Best way to die
glass oak
Chief was lucky at the start of three then so many trees 😂
feral stirrup
haha
so i hear Joseph staten is returning to work on halo
Maybe he can clean up the mess that 343 writers have created.
nimble crest
Yeh
feral stirrup
343 is playing a very wise game here, they are actually listening to their customers and fan base
nimble crest
I need Lucy in infinite
feral stirrup
i have no problem with them delaying it. Id software did the same thing with doom eternal
it's better that you take a step back and look at things till you get all the right angles before finishing it
if staten still has it in him to do awesome storytelling and writing. then it will be night and day better for 343 and as a result they will do much better as a developer by keeping the right people
who actually know how to write lore,
Now all they have to do is rehire marty if he might be interested.
i thhought infinites demo music was ok but only marty's brain knows how to ad the actual detail and emotion
infinites current music is not bad at all by any means. it's still a huge improvement
west silo
Its pretty funny when u realize that every bungie halo game rushed and had like only 1 year of development
unique rune
I sure hope Staten's writing talents actually show through this time instead of whatever happened with Chief's half of Halo 2 and Halo 3 in general
terse lava
That was the point at the time
He was still more a player vessel then his own character
craggy sierra
Staten almost definitely isn't having a hand in the plot of Infinite
Not at this stage in the game
He's just there to oversee the project and keep it on schedule
west silo
Yeah if he was the game story is already dead
5 years of development and to change that in only 1 ?
versed helm
I mean halo 2 development was a nightmare lol
west silo
They didn't even want to finish the multiplayer
terse lava
Mhm
west silo
Wasn't there something that joe Staten didn't live halo odst and that game has one of the best stories in my opinion
west silo
Must be miss remembering then
versed helm
I’m starting to think that evil cortana is a fragment because it make sense to me since cortana did die after she saved chief at the end of halo 4 since she said and I quote Most of me is down there. I only held enough back to get you off the ship
west silo
It was confirmed a long time ago that she is a fragment
versed helm
Ok
west silo
In a comic of course!
stable flower
I wish certain "forgotten" things like Gold Sentinels and Enforcers appeared in more Halo media
feral stirrup
chief never really needed to talk
and the one liners where heavily inspired by the 80's
ever notice how sometimes development hell can lead to some of the most ground breaking products?
it's usually development hell because you are trying so many new things all at once to make something ground breaking
west silo
The last of us 2 would disagree
And the only new thing in 2 was probably only the online co-op for consoles
unique rune
...Didn’t Bungie have the opposite problem of dev hell with the Halo games? Dev hell is when stuff gets dragged out and postponed and delayed constantly, but Bungie had to cut things because of time constraints, so...
west silo
With ce they had to scrape the entire original and rebuild essentially dragging it out
Its the reason the halo for the Mac came out later and wasn't that good
unique rune
I’m still oddly hung up on the Mantis’s bizarre introduction date.
Which reminds me, the Cherbourg Run apparently occurred during the Battle of Meridian going off of what Halopedia says, citing the H4 Essential Visual Guide.
Been a while since I last had my hands on a copy so my memory is fuzzy and I just wanted to clarify, does the guide specifically mention that it was during the Battle of Meridian?
stable flower
I too am bothered by that. I find it hard to believe it was introduced in 2403, which would make it pretty outdated by the current time in the series.
unique rune
Yeah, even if you ignore how outdated it would be, the date just doesn’t work with the rest of the timeline for UNSC mech/exoskeleton development.
dense pulsar
What if Bungie had all the time they needed tho?
terse lava
Then we would likely have a far different game series
lethal comet
H3 could have had better face models
cedar surge
Well hood,Johnson,and truth all look like ghouls
unique rune
Halo 3 could’ve spent more time on its own campaign instead of having to wrap up Halo 2’s for like the first 1/3rd
west silo
Halo 2 would have had a less cliffhanger ending
main siren
That's the thing. Game development is not infinite (No pun intended). At some point, a deadline must be met.
We can talk all day how things could've been if Halo 2 and 3 got as much development time as needed, but we can't really ponder on the past, can we?
craggy sierra
H3 could have had better face models
tbh what I wanna know about Halo 3 is why they never had mocaped animations when that was a thing that became common in the previous generation
unique rune
but we can't really ponder on the past, can we?
well we can, it’s just not really gonna go anywhere useful
cedar surge
Why don't elites carry energy shields?
A elite charging down a hallway with a shield would be unstoppable
gilded mason
Answered yer own question. ;)
unique rune
Well... they almost gave Sangheili point-defense gauntlets for CE.
Rtas even uses one in the old Graphic Novel.
It’d probably be pretty redundant though, considering Sangheili combat harnesses project a full body energy shield already.
terse lava
The reason, at least for some, is an honor aspect. We see in Ghosts of Onyx, Voro Nar 'Mantakree ordered his sangheili to carry kig-yar defense gauntlets. His soldiers did not like this idea, considering it lacking honor and went with it regardless
west silo
Man the elite honor thing just makes them extremely stupid
cedar surge
Not totally
west silo
And hypocritical as well
terse lava
Well in that one example, those who disliked the idea were most likely young minors, not veteran soldiers who know how dangerous an enemy can be
cedar surge
Or are there some unlucky old minors
terse lava
....the sangheili rank. The blue armored sangheili
west silo
However refusing medical help is stupid
@cedar surge
And also part of their honor code
terse lava
sigh knew someone would.make a joke on it
gilded mason
Voro Nar 'Mantakree ordered his sangheili to carry kig-yar defense gauntlets.
Though I imagine for those under Voro, it was more regarding using Kig-Yar equipment
Since as said, Elite shields exist
terse lava
True Ostral, but I figure only veterans would want to use them
cedar surge
So do all elite ranks fight on the front lines?
west silo
Elites: sneaking is very cowardly
Also elites: uses active camouflage
terse lava
Not our fault you guys cant make good camo
cedar surge
The elites are only making themselves invisible to fight you
gilded mason
As seen throughout different media, a lot of Elites have different ideas on what is "honorable"
terse lava
Indeed
cedar surge
Sneaking would make you avoid them
terse lava
Recall the minor from headhunters when confronted on glassing
west silo
Yep
terse lava
He saw it as wiping away a sickness
Where other sangheili saw glassing as without honor
cedar surge
Plus its dishonorable to sneak behind a elite and shove a knife into its spine
west silo
The one in wars saw its as an infection
cedar surge
So elites would rather just smash ground forces onto planets and kill everything personally?
terse lava
Halo wars? He was concerned about the flood being in the forerunner relic
cedar surge
Man the unsc would have wished the elites have done that
west silo
Plus its dishonorable to sneak behind a elite and shove a knife into its spine
But somehow honorable to kill a bunch of unarmed trainee
@cedar surge
terse lava
If the sangheili truly had a choice they would likely never glass a world
cedar surge
Hey the trainees were learning how to fight
terse lava
But the san shyuum say otherwise
cedar surge
So it was fair
west silo
Halo wars? He was concerned about the flood being in the forerunner relic
@terse lava
Nope harvest when they found the map
gilded mason
Like the Covie ship evacuation situation from both Cole Protocol and Silent Storm. For the former, Thel saw it as horribly dishonorable for his subordinates to escape from the ship when it looked lost, while the shipmaster from Silent Storm sacrificed himself to allow everyone else a chance to escape.
west silo
Hey the trainees were learning how to fight
@cedar surge
They didn't even have weopeans or armor
cedar surge
Its doshonerble to leave a about to explode vessel
terse lava
"The hierarchs grow impatient, we can delay no longer!"
"What if the infection defiled the relic?"
cedar surge
I think elites are not the smartest bunch
terse lava
He was concerned on the flood, not humans
cedar surge
Yea
west silo
"The hierarchs grow impatient, we can delay no longer!"
"What if the infection defiled the relic?"
@terse lava
He was talking about humans coming in there
cedar surge
It was a sarcastic commemt
west silo
Thats why he was shocked when they blew it up
lethal comet
If elites don't get promoted after battles its more 'honorable' for them to commit suicide
cedar surge
what?
lethal comet
Its a thing with minors
west silo
Wow they really went with the Japanese interpretation didn't they?
gilded mason
Though I think it's only ever referenced in the Encycopedia
west silo
Dang u halo legends!!!!!!
lethal comet
Minors are expected to either get promoted to major or die heroically on the battlefield
terse lava
I have no reason he would be referring to humans. Only one sole time have we seen them taking humans as an infection
cedar surge
How do they never run out of minors then
lethal comet
They have a lot of colonies
gilded mason
It probably doesn't happen very often
cedar surge
Its not like you can promote most of them
terse lava
Yes that's true, but it is at least for their first campaign, rather then battle
lethal comet
Minors dont have much survival rate in battle either
west silo
Minors are expected to either get promoted to major or die heroically on the battlefield
@lethal comet
Actually I think it was a campaign instead of battle
cedar surge
So I guess a bunch of elites bit the sword during the harvest campaign
The covenant looked like fools
Getting repelled twice
lethal comet
And they also commit suicide if they are crippled in battle without honor
cedar surge
Wat
lethal comet
Even zealots have commited suicide like this
cedar surge
why so much suicide?
west silo
Its just funny at this point
lethal comet
Honor
west silo
why so much suicide?
@cedar surge
The elites are Japanese now
gilded mason
That's not exclusive to Japan
cedar surge
How is suicide in the back lines more honorable than charging again back onto the front lines
Who thinks of this
lethal comet
Things may have changed post covenant
cedar surge
What elite thinks of this
terse lava
Minors apparently
west silo
That's not exclusive to Japan
@gilded mason
I mostly meant with the whole samurai honor thing
lethal comet
In their minds, not dying on the battlefield is cowardice
cedar surge
Man the unsc must have made a monopoly on minor therapy
gilded mason
I mostly meant with the whole samurai honor thing```
Yeah, that sort of honor thing isn't exclusive to samuraiWhat?
west silo
In their minds, not dying on the battlefield is cowardice
@lethal comet
Wouldn't that make every one cowards?
lethal comet
Unless they perform excceptionally
cedar surge
So a minor could kill 5 Spartans,destroy multiple armed vehicles, cut through marines and odsts,yet is a coward gor not dying?
Oh
lethal comet
And most elites don't see a retreat as honourable
cedar surge
Really huh
lethal comet
So a minor could kill 5 Spartans,destroy multiple armed vehicles, cut through marines and odsts,yet is a coward gor not dying?
Oh
No
west silo
I mostly meant with the whole samurai honor thing``` Yeah, that sort of honor thing isn't exclusive to samurai
@gilded mason
Its the one most associated with elites
gilded mason
Because it's all a lot of people can think of.
lethal comet
Killing 5 spartans is like enough for promotion to officer or general
cedar surge
Cool
west silo
There not that far gone
cedar surge
Man the elites probably would have loved to hear the production of 900 spartans
Free promotions
lethal comet
Spartans arent exactly easy to kill
terse lava
Come to think of it, I am unsure if the Covenant ever recognized SIII as demons
lethal comet
And they are more obsessed with the kill than teamwork
west silo
Every elite during operation torpedo must have gotten promoted
cedar surge
All Spartans are demons @terse lava
cedar surge
And I don't think they could ever tell the differemce between generations
Just different armor
terse lava
Yes, but the term was associated with the SII, we dont know if they saw SIII in the same category
cedar surge
And I repeat
west silo
Maybe they couldn't recognize the three cause of their armor
cedar surge
We dont know if they knew the S3 were a separate thing
lethal comet
Lower ranking elites will do anything to kill a demon even if it means getting their comrades killed
cedar surge
They associated the term demon with spartans in general
west silo
The SPI armor might have confused. Them
Making the think they were more advanced odsts
terse lava
What I mean is, we know they call ODST imps, spartans demons. What I am curious if they considered SIII as part of the demons
lethal comet
odsts cant defeat an entire army
terse lava
They were far more fragile then a S2 so thus why I question if they saw them as demons
lethal comet
SIII are most definitely demons
west silo
Spi armored Spartans neither
terse lava
Ugh...
west silo
Tje spi armor is weak
cedar surge
A marine can shove a knife through weak?
west silo
It just a spy odst armor
lethal comet
300 spartans destroyed a whole army of thousands
terse lava
Ok I will try this way
west silo
300 spartans destroyed a whole army of thousands
@lethal comet
And it was considered a pytric victory because of the loss
terse lava
In the covenant's view, would the SIII be as lethal as the SII? They lacked the augmented armor, lacked the fancier biological augments
lethal comet
They had far better training than IIs
cedar surge
Didn't the 3s have either better or just different augs?
lethal comet
They had better augs and better training
cedar surge
Plus how would the covenant tell what augs the Spartans have
lethal comet
Those made up for lack of mjolnir
west silo
There augmentation were safer and had better results
lethal comet
Plus how would the covenant tell what augs the Spartans have
They cant
cedar surge
Plus don't Spartan 3 armor detonate apon death?
lethal comet
No
cedar surge
Really huh?
lethal comet
mjolnir blows up
cedar surge
They just left that armor for the covenant to pillage
lethal comet
Dead spartans IIs go out with a nuclear bang
unique rune
I don’t think it’s entirely out of the realm of possibility that they could’ve mistake SPI-clad S-IIIs as just very capable unaugmented humans, but those wearing MJOLNIR probably would’ve been lumped into the ‘demon’ moniker.
west silo
Compare a S3 in spi and a S2 in armor who do u think is more dangerous
cedar surge
Mombasa in my playthroughs should look like a crater then @lethal comet
west silo
Mombasa in my playthroughs should look like a crater then @lethal comet
@cedar surge
M
No Spartans died
lethal comet
They need another spartan for that
cedar surge
@west silo you didn't catch the joke
west silo
Will didn't go kabooom
lethal comet
Only other spartan IIs know the codes for detonation
lethal comet
Will's armor was molten
versed helm
otherwise the IIs would be the human version of suicide grunts
lethal comet
And you need another spartan to detonate
cedar surge
Hey Spartan 2s actually contribute
lethal comet
This failsafe is meant for asset denial
west silo
But what if no other Spartans are there
unique rune
Compare a S3 in spi and a S2 in armor who do u think is more dangerous
In a straight out brawl, MJOLNIR will always give the wearer the upper hand.
SPI’s merits are more in stealth and infiltration.
cedar surge
@west silo bbetter grab a plot important bomb then
versed helm
the III can stab you in the back, the II can punch you through the face
cedar surge
Or mac stroke
lethal comet
A squad of spartan IIIs in spi can definitely overwhelm a spartan in mjolnor
cedar surge
Can the Spartan 2s punch through me?
versed helm
the nose and ear, aye
lethal comet
ye
cedar surge
Oh
west silo
@west silo bbetter grab a plot important bomb then
@cedar surge
A bomb that exploded when covenant dna is detected but only certain covenant
versed helm
i read the pinch, my bad
lethal comet
Halo reach is a example that bungie didnt read the books
cedar surge
Still
versed helm
but she did get pretty shook from that
cedar surge
Shouldn't tthat mean broken bones?
lethal comet
According to protocol you have to detonate mjolnir if the spartan dies
unique rune
Spartan-III and Spartan-II augmentations are stated to canonically be equally as effective, so. Shouldn’t matter if being punched by a II or a III, ignoring armor.
lethal comet
They didnt blow up emile, kat and the dead spartans in lone wolf
west silo
@versed helm
Master chief did punch his finger through a jackal in the face
@west silo
lethal comet
Cat 2 spartans can beat spartan IIs in every aspect
west silo
They didnt blow up emile, kat and the dead spartans in lone wolf
@lethal comet
Soooo much free armor for the covenant
Cat 2 spartans can beat spartan IIs in every aspect
@lethal comet
Except experience
west silo
Alpha company can match that kinda
@lethal comet
And 2s have been trained since 7
lethal comet
Some alpha's have been trained since 4
west silo
And have 20 or so years ahead
Some alpha's have been trained since 4
@lethal comet
Wait? Weren't S3s 9 or 10?
lethal comet
They varied from 4 to 9
They just picked up orphaned children with the right genetics
west silo
Wow wow wow were the S2s the ones defined by genetics
lethal comet
The spartan III augs didnt need halseys criteria
gilded mason
Right genetics for S3s is what he means.
west silo
Oh
unique rune
They weren’t as stringent with genetic screening because the S-III program’s augmentations were safer
versed helm
aye
west silo
And more free kids
lethal comet
Alpha company cat 2s can beat most S IIs
west silo
Alpha company cat 2s can beat most S IIs
@lethal comet
What can they do
versed helm
alpha company had 2 categories?
lethal comet
@versed helm You know cat 2s right
west silo
I thought we didn't even know if cat 2 existed
lethal comet
Cat 2s are canon
gilded mason
That's regarding S2s
west silo
Or am I thinking of class 2
versed helm
someone please re-explain the cat 2s thing
versed helm
ahhh
lethal comet
No[e
cedar surge
Noble team is part of that right
gilded mason
Yeah
west silo
Yep
lethal comet
Cat 2s have genetics that could have passed for Spartan IIs
versed helm
you know, we still dont know what happened to kurt's MJILONIR set
cedar surge
I thought Kurt had SPI
lethal comet
Kurt's mjolnir was destroyed
versed helm
sad
west silo
you know, we still dont know what happened to kurt's MJILONIR set
@versed helm
He put it in the basement
lethal comet
I thought Kurt had SPI
He had the option between mjolnir and spi but chose the spi
Kinda stupid imo
west silo
Kurt's mjolnir was destroyed
@lethal comet
Didn't he wear spi to make the S3s feel more comfortable around him
lethal comet
His mjolnir was destroyed when Onyx disintegrated
versed helm
yeah. but from a tactical viewpoint, the MJILIONIR would've been better
west silo
The fight came to him when he lest expected it
lethal comet
That spelling tho
Mjolnir
Cat 2s have spartan II genetics
Which makes them even stronger and smarter than other S-IIIs
lethal comet
ONI thought sending them in suicide missions was not the proper use
So they gave them mjonir
They are better than Spartan IIs in every aspect except combat experience
But their superior training made up for that
west silo
So six is better than John?
lethal comet
John has luck
gilded mason
He might be better in some aspects, he might be worse in others
west silo
Than Linda?
lethal comet
Blue team are some of the best IIs
fair hazel
You’re interpreting things... in an odd way I’d say
gilded mason
Fred is the greatest Spartan in existence.
lethal comet
They all have thier own specialities
carmine sleet
Pretty sure Kelly is literally the fastest Spartan bar none
west silo
Man at least say red team
west silo
Pretty sure Kelly is literally the fastest Spartan bar none
@carmine sleet
Didn't John beat her fastest running speed in FoR
lethal comet
Kelly is the fastest spartan
carmine sleet
Didn't need to tag me and no, Chief is not faster
lethal comet
That was an obstacle course
west silo
They tried to kill him
lethal comet
No
west silo
Yes ackerson wanted to kill him to setup halsey or something
lethal comet
Oh you are talking about ackerson
west silo
Why u think they shot a anti tank missle at him
lethal comet
Yeah he dropped a literal missile on john
west silo
Cortana had to save hum
lethal comet
Even the best spartan cant survive a direct hit from a missile
But he deflected the missile with his arm like the bada** he is
west silo
The airburst created a 3 meter crater for Christ sake
lethal comet
Ackerson wanted the funding that Halsey was getting
versed helm
lethal comet
Mjolnir development cost a lot
versed helm
...
lethal comet
Did you know that the first spartans to get MkV were noble team
versed helm
I’m home
lethal comet
Noble team got MkV with energy shielding even before Spartan IIs
versed helm
spartan 3 suits💩
lethal comet
The only thing their armor didnt have was AI housing
If they had then imagine cortana in six's head in pillar of autumn
west silo
And apparently needing sprint modules
west silo
I understand the additions I just HATE it
cedar surge
Yea the whole Spartans can't sprint sounded a bit dumb
west silo
It should be able to be activated with out needing an attachment
cedar surge
Hey wait a sec
versed helm
and when they do 3 seconds later there breathing mega hard
west silo
Yep
lethal comet
Their panting sounds like a 40 year old man on a treadmill for the first time in his life
lethal comet
Does that mean that is speed walking speed?
Sprinting
west silo
They ran 30km in an hour or so
west silo
Man chief must have been out of shape in 2
lethal comet
It took them two decades to go from mk 4 to Mk 5
Then they put out mk 5, mk 6 and mk 7 in one year
gilded mason
Always felt that was really silly
west silo
And only 4 years to mass produce gen 2
nimble crest
Spartan III armor is hawt
versed helm
ricochet right? nfl spartan
nimble crest
NFL
versed helm
very nasty
unique rune
Seeker ain’t a boombox, someone just stuck a Keurig on a Spartan’s head as a prank
west silo
In retrospect its actually pretty smart
Elite: sir is that a demon
Elite2: no minor its way too ugly to be a demon
fallow jasper
spartan armour is big hawt
versed helm
SMEXY AF
fallow jasper
its awesome
west silo
Spartan pants are big diapers
cedar surge
Spartans have integrated technology into their suits post war to blind the enemy with color
fallow jasper
i see
versed helm
COOL
cedar surge
Like just get a couple of Spartan 4s and you can blind the enemies with all the colors of the rainbow
charred sedge
Ha noice
cedar surge
Though you could also blind them by putting on the worst helmets in the entire program
charred sedge
Why not combine both methods?
dense pulsar
Yea
There was something futuristic but believable about Bungie's designs for Spartan armor
fallow jasper
yeah
cedar surge
Hey guys
1 to 2 years until sigma octanius ain't a navigational hazard anymore
Yea but the infinite armor looks great
It makes Spartans look like actually tanks
Walking tanks
Fighting against a genocidal nemy planning to eradicate humanity
I feel like I heard this in another universe
versed helm
😳
lethal comet
doom?
inner basin
Especially aliens. Why can aliens almost never be friendly :’(
lethal comet
Humans want human genocide too
Ai want human genocide
Now humans seem like the problem
inner basin
In terms of Halo, not really. Aliens are still the bigger problem
inner basin
The Insurrection is a shadow of their former self post-war
They kinda have splinter groups similar to the Covenant
craggy sierra
Also just let them have their independence and they’ll probably stop.
inner basin
The only real Innie threat which is still minor in scale is the New Colonial Alliance (NCA).
Also just let them have their independence and they’ll probably stop.
For the time being, they kind of have their independence. The UEG/UNSC is in disarray due to the Created rn. At least last we saw in Halo 5
inner basin
Venezia is not a threat. They are not united
lethal comet
They are dealing in covenant weaponry and ships
Did you forget pious inquisitor
That thing could destroy frigates and cruisers
versed helm
PI was a pretty major thing in the K-5 series
lethal comet
That thing had a ventral beam
versed helm
and the coordinates to sol
cedar surge
So the autumn class has a different way of shieldimg
carmine sleet
Different way of shielding from what?
ornate sierra
the autumn also has 4 feet of titanium A battle plating
feral perch
Halcyon yes
nimble crest
Was Jorge wearing modified mk4?
gilded mason
Yeh
nimble crest
It’s so chunky I wish it was a customization option
craggy sierra
It’s probably not specifically for that reason
cedar surge
So who is the tallest of the 4s
knotty mesa
The rounds jun gives at the begining of night fall are supposed to be special rounds right
nimble crest
I’m assuming they wouldn’t send two Spartans on a recon op without standard ammo so yeah that probably was special rounds
cedar surge
Is MJLNIOR that resistant to projectile small arms?
cedar surge
I mean
Can it easily deflect unsc guns? I read about it nearly being impervious to unsc small arms but I see it getting shot through by unsc weapons multiple times
nimble crest
Yes
Noble had multiple small arms bullet holes on their armor and they were fine plus the armor was strong enough to withstand falling from space so I think it would be fine against a ma37
And emiles helmet was damaged by a 50. Cal machine gun and he survived so I think the visors are good to go aswell
Were the odsts more navy or army?
craggy sierra
Considering most of the Spartan 4's are un-introduced idk if we can say who the tallest is
cedar surge
Navy
craggy sierra
There's hundreds of them and we've met like, less than 20
nimble crest
What was the average height?
cedar surge
How many 3s do we know
craggy sierra
¯_(ツ)_/¯
nimble crest
Around 20-30 I think? Idk
Not 30
15-20
Noble team, the cut Spartans from reach, thom, Lucy, a few others
cedar surge
So uh,Palmer threw a knife through a spartans arm right
nimble crest
Hm?
cedar surge
I remember seeing it but not why
Was that sspartan a traitor?
Did micky run to the insurrection with the Spartan suit?
unique rune
The rounds jun gives at the begining of night fall are supposed to be special rounds right
Sort of
A266 specifically mentions they're HVAP instead of the APFSDS usually associated with the SRS99s
fair hazel
Venezia is one of my favourite halo planets, very intersting
dense pulsar
How do ODSTs fair against the Covenant when compared to the average marine
nimble crest
Odsts have improved armor and all of the armor in the Misriah armory (I think) have a membrane over their armor that when shot by plasma projectiles doesn’t absorb it but spreads the plasma out so there is less damage to one area.
cedar surge
I think a group of odsts were able to stop the covenants advance into a city
stable flower
And emiles helmet was damaged by a 50. Cal machine gun and he survived so I think the visors are good to go aswell
@nimble crest Wait, isn't that off of 'A Fistful Of Arrows'?
nimble crest
Yeah
feral perch
Odsts have improved armor and all of the armor in the Misriah armory (I think) have a membrane over their armor that when shot by plasma projectiles doesn’t absorb it but spreads the plasma out so there is less damage to one area.
@nimble crest
I think you might be thinking of refractive coating, which may or may not be applied to ODST BDUs. I know that it was applied to Mjolnir Mark IV suits.
nimble crest
I thought it was applied to ODST armor plating not the bdus
ODST bdus are good for 15 minutes of EVA I think aswell
cedar surge
Isn't fistful of arrows fanfiction
nimble crest
Was written by one of the original writers for Bungie books + it fits lore and is really good imo
obsidian thistle
All Halo official novels fit the lore xD
last anchor
No retcons here like Star Wars thank god
As for Fistfull, its not OFFICIALLY canon no, but as far as Im concerned it works best to fill the gap and 343 doesnt seem interested in filling it right now so
Mind you it doesnt actually tell us how Jun got off Reach
craggy sierra
I’m still on the fence about first strike canonizing time travel.
dense pulsar
Wut
cedar surge
Yea
One time halo had time travel
It was dumb
But it exists
I will say that time travel does not belong
Even if you explain it by saying "but slipspace"
Slipspace has gone from a way of transportation to a mcguffin of its own
obsidian thistle
I’m still on the fence about first strike canonizing time travel.
@craggy sierra actually First Strike never confirmed it was timetravel. It was debated but never outright said.
In some old Forum discussions with Vociferous it was put that it may be "Time dilation" instead of Timetravel in that one case. Something later media has delved in greater detail.
At this current moment there is only 1 undeniable case of timetravel in Halo.
And thats the ILBs 2552 to 2004 connection.
343i keep saying ILBs is canon. Yet ILBs main narrative cant work without the timetravel.
Regardless what caused it is locked away in a ONI location in Boston. Never to be seen again
cedar surge
Wish marines and odsts got more books. The universe is more than Spartans
craggy sierra
Is there much you’d really be able to specifically do with them?
fair hazel
batleborn follows interesting characters
cedar surge
The young adult one that has kids right
Or teenagers
What happens in those books?
So the elites were fighting other species before the covenant
Where did they go after?
terse lava
not fighting
a single Sangheili vessel was attacked by aliens
and besides knowing the alien didn't speak a civilized tongue, that's it
cedar surge
You think they became a fringe?
unique rune
What happens in those books?
Covenant attacks Meridian in search of a Forerunner artifact, handful of students trapped at the dig site work with Owen B282 to rescue the remaining residents of their city and get off the planet
second book they head back to Meridian to retrieve the artifact, figure out what it does, and investigate a Forerunner structure on the opposite side of the planet
turns out the exposure to the Forerunner guff wasn’t exactly healthy and the only way to save them was to augment them as part of an early Spartan-IV prototype thing
cedar surge
Oh I heard they became Spartan IVs
unique rune
yeah
they do at the end of the second book
now
funny thing is
I initially assumed this made them part of the initial 10 that were mentioned in the Escalation comics
so I was just left thinking
“oh so these kids are dead now right?”
unique rune
pretty much
feral perch
that’s dumb
unique rune
since it’d make them immune to complications from their exposure to the Forerunner stuff
and it was used as a test for the augmentations
I didn’t really care for that bit of the books
cedar surge
You know
That's not helping their case on how anybody can be a spartan
Since students at a digsite can become one
Even if the 2s were kidnapped kids
They were kidnapped cause of their genes
But this is a young adult novel
So we need teenagers being able to do stuff
Are there any cool battle scenes?
unique rune
ehhh
kinda?
there’s some fairly interesting combat bits since the books are dealing with civilians and an injured Spartan scavenging whatever they can
cedar surge
Like making sure to conserve ammo?
And also
Why is a Spartan with teenagers
Why hasn't anyone from ONI or unsc picked them up
unique rune
He got separated when dropping in. I think there was Covenant comms jamming which is why no one outside could reach him
The writing really isn't that bad
The books are fine
fair hazel
... dumb..? They made teen spartans before already..
feral perch
it’s not the teenager part
fair hazel
Besides these might not be all full spartan in the first place
it might be some prototype or something, we got to wait to know
feral perch
It’s the making random teens into Spartans because they were sick, and S-IV stuff before 2553.
fair hazel
i think my favourite part from meridian divide was when they go to the city, and arrive
and the city is like..
a ghostly ruin in a way, and i just imagine it in my head,
Augmenting them, but perhaps it's best to wait before drawing definite conclusions on how it happens, as this may be part of precursor to that stuff
feral perch
I’m just waiting for Shadows of Reach at this point
Such a shame it got delayed to October
fair hazel
I want more books of all kindss
terse lava
Covenant history(pretty much everythin), unsc history (Rainforest Wars, interplanetary wars, the Insurrection)
round comet
ah yes covenant history, broken circles is absolutely in my S tier of halo books
id like more stuff like that
cedar surge
My problem is with them being random kids and not specifically selected kids
Teenagers have been spartans before
But they have been specifically selected
These were randos
round comet
the spartan 3s?
cedar surge
These kids
craggy sierra
I mean I think they've progressed the program past needing specific genes to not kill the recipients.
cedar surge
Didmt the first ten Spartan 4s die to the augs
round comet
the sparan 3s had a narrower selection criteria
cedar surge
We are talking 4s
unique rune
Didmt the first ten Spartan 4s die to the augs
Nine of those ten died, the survivor was left... very mentally unstable.
Though you have to remember that those augmentations were wildly different from the final project's augmentations.
That initial class was meant to be as strong as a MJOLNIR-clad Spartan, except while out of armor.
fair hazel
my keyboard swithced yet again
And I literally forgot what I said. Ah right, there is a lot of stuff that can be expanded upon
versed helm
Was each spartan augmentations difference or no
fair hazel
all spartan generations have different augmentation
round comet
the 4s are essentially ODSTs in power armour, lance.
fair hazel
No they are not.
versed helm
No
fair hazel
and there's already some ODST armour that seems to be powered to an extent.
terse lava
The 4s are simply more often chosen from the Odst branch
cedar surge
I may not like the 4s but they are not just odsts in power armor
terse lava
As they are supposed to be the best of the best of the best
fair hazel
They also ahve to go thorugh spartan training
round comet
The 4s are simply more often chosen from the Odst branch
which is what i meant.
fair hazel
If that is what you meant then you did not communicate that properly at all.
round comet
right.
they weren't kidnapped at the age of 6, and they didnt have a wide selection criteria the way the 2s did.
fair hazel
i think everyone is aware at the differences between the spartan generations right now.
And how they were selected.
Conscripted/selected
cedar surge
I just find it convenient that he kids needed Spartan augmentation to live and not any other kind
Wait hey
fair hazel
Augmentations.
cedar surge
Isn't that one insane Spartan the one who tried to take the infinity?
cedar surge
Yea
fair hazel
I am really curious at her faction's plan, and her plan.
And how they ride out the created/
cedar surge
Yea but how could a force of less than"what,20 people take over the entire infinity
fair hazel
infintiy was not crewed very well and had control of the bridge
control the bridge, you can vent people out
round comet
hmm
fair hazel
easy
round comet
relatively yes lol
cedar surge
I thought ONI kidnapped her after
fair hazel
ONI? Or someone else?
fair hazel
uh yeah they do..
cedar surge
Oh
gilded mason
Good ol' Nyeto
versed helm
Was Naomi father the only one that figured out that the flash clone wasn’t real or no
unique rune
be very suspicious of the government to begin with
fair hazel
no, arthur's dad
cedar surge
"I hate the unsc,oh hey why is my daughter melting?"
gilded mason
arthur```
I think you mean *Chad*Did a unsc fleet ever go into covenant territory?
gilded mason
A whole fleet? I can't recall.
cedar surge
What about raids? Like trying to cripple the covenant by attacking trade with stealth ships
Oh wait
Cloaking tech wasnt good then was it
versed helm
I don’t think so
terse lava
Only a couple times from Silent Storm
main siren
Ado, you just reminded me that I should start reading on Silent Storm. I've not been reading for weeks. Geez 😄
versed helm
Didn’t the covenant knew that humanity was going to inherit the mantle or no
cedar surge
I don't think so
Or else extra glassing
So brutes liked human guns right?
Why not try to remake them
Oh wait
The covenant doesn't do that
dusty prawn
The entire point of the Minister of Fortitude's call to exterminate humanity and name himself Truth was to hide the connection of humanity to the forerunners as much as possible. If the covenant as a whole knew that secret then the jig is up and he failed hardcore
also recall that the only ones that really knew that besides the 3 hierarches are the couple of fanatical brutes that Truth trusted to use the humans to light the rings, namely tartarus and the few at the end of Halo 3. Miranda and Johnson specifically being used to do so. It was a closely guarded secret
cedar surge
The name for covenant vehicles were given by the unsc right?