The actions of ONI saved everyone
#lore-and-universe
cedar surge
shell salmon
It's the one where a group of soldier's go onto this carrier and find out that people where experimenting on Sangheili using the flood
feral perch
so we don’t need them anymore
inner basin
Like I said, ONI is a necessary evil. They've done a lot of good and a lot of bad
cedar surge
What?
feral perch
Ah yes, The Mona Lisa
soft notch
Yeah I forgot about that short
inner basin
It's the one where a group of soldier's go onto this carrier and find out that people where experimenting on Sangheili using the flood
I love that story
craggy sierra
tbh there doesn't seem to be much about the insurrection that needed quelling to begin with. ONI just didn't want to give some farmers independence and thought the best course of action was to kidnap kids into a super soldier program and sic them onto them.
cedar surge
We don't need a information gathering agency who also produce our humanity saving super soldiers anymore?
charred edge
You know? I wonder what would happen if, in a purely hypothethical sitaution, all spartans that ever were, were magically dropped with their weapons, in high charity. What would happen.
Clean house
feral perch
Nope because there’s already plenty of Spartans
cedar surge
Its not like Spartans live forever
shell salmon
Okay, look
craggy sierra
I'm pretty sure the entire insurrectionist conflict escalation was because of the UNSC and ONI
charred edge
Doubt
shell salmon
The civil covenant war was beautiful
feral perch
Spartans dropped into a unified High Charity could do serious damage but they would eventually all die.
cedar surge
True
west silo
tbh there doesn't seem to be much about the insurrection that needed quelling to begin with. ONI just didn't want to give some farmers independence and thought the best course of action was to kidnap kids into a super soldier program and sic them onto them.
@craggy sierra
Then again looking places like venerzia I can see why
cedar surge
Yea its at most 1500 Spartans vs millions of covenant
shell salmon
But the flood had food passed to them on a silver platter :/
The war made it easy for the flood to slip in
feral perch
yes
craggy sierra
@craggy sierra
Then again looking places like venerzia I can see why
The placed that's getting almost exclusively screwed by the actions of a corrupt government the people want absolutely nothing to do with?
fair hazel
I'm seeinga lot of non-nuance being talked about ONI
soft notch
Grunt lives matter GLM
cedar surge
Are the 4s arranged into companies like 3s?
craggy sierra
Yes
fair hazel
No
shell salmon
Uh, what's wrong about that Ericky??
craggy sierra
No?
fair hazel
Things are just good and evil, halo is a universe with a LOT of gray
craggy sierra
I was thinking squads then maybe
fair hazel
maybe 117 shades of gray
feral perch
stop
shell salmon
The stories I've heard, ONI is more disturbing then the Lumanili
fair hazel
the spartan-IVs are not arranged in companies like IIIs
feral perch
not funny, didn’t laugh
shell salmon
Ik I didn't spell it right
cedar surge
Illuminati?
soft notch
Yes
craggy sierra
Also the surviving 3s got grandfathered into the Spartan 4 program. So they're very likely paired together now for stuff.
shell salmon
There was a video btw that showed the spartans kia and mia
fair hazel
IVs, there's no set companies.
shell salmon
It made me cry
cedar surge
Gamma company are the ones that had pain nullifying augs right?
fair hazel
the unstable ones
feral perch
no
cedar surge
Oh unstable
craggy sierra
I imagine not because that's actually a really bad thing to have
feral perch
They basically destroy your frontal lobe over time
craggy sierra
Well not only that but being able to feel pain is kind of important
shell salmon
So, who agrees what the Forerunners did was dirty to the Precursors?
craggy sierra
Not feeling pain doesn't make you less immune to gun shots. It just makes you less aware you've been shot
feral perch
In the worst situations you would go into shock and die, though, so that’s what that’s for
cedar surge
@shell salmon yea but I feel as if we are missing something
charred edge
Well.. they sort of gave ancient humanity the short end of the stick
cedar surge
Like maybe the precursors were about to kill the forerinners first
shell salmon
Also, I recently found out it was humans who experimented with the dust on some alien dog or cat species
feral perch
Nobody knows what actually happened with the Precursors and the Forerunners.
charred edge
The flood
feral perch
Yeah, the Pheru
shell salmon
In which hundreds or so years later caused the dust to become corrupted
charred edge
Ancient humans were running from the flood.
And the fore runners were not believing them.
feral perch
the dust was already corrupted but the effects didn’t manifest immediately
dense pulsar
Did humans not have proof of the flood?
shell salmon
Also, the forerunners killed a majority of Precursors for being salty on not getting the mantle
craggy sierra
tbh I think the precursors planned to kill the forerunners first
feral perch
they glassed Forerunner worlds that were contaminated, and didn’t bother to warn them
shell salmon
Then the precursors turned themselves into dust to come back later
craggy sierra
Also the entire concept of the mantle is a metaphor for galactic dictatorship
feral perch
What doesn’t make any sense is how the Forerunners were even capable of destroying the Precursors
shell salmon
Humans then where reverted to the stone age by the forerunners
craggy sierra
So even if the precursors never wanted to kill the forerunners they were still basically saying "btw, here's your new galactic overlords now, have fun and remember to bow to them"
feral perch
Hah.
shell salmon
Well no Waffle
Forerunners had it first
And the precursors then saw that as a mistake
And gave it to the humans
west silo
What doesn’t make any sense is how the Forerunners were even capable of destroying the Precursors
@feral perch
The primordial said they let them selves be destroyed because they were fascinated by the new experience
craggy sierra
Yeah I think the precursors held the mantle and then planned to pass it off to humans
feral perch
So why were they so angry about it? smh
craggy sierra
Forerunners never had it until they took it
gilded mason
Forerunners didn't abide by the safeword
feral perch
ew lol
fair hazel
It is unknown who started the war.
shell salmon
All I know is I am right about the forerunners having the mantle then having it stripped because of their actions
west silo
So Waffle is correct
@feral perch
Actually they were going to test the humans just like the forerunners who knows maybe we would have failed As Well
craggy sierra
Either case it's a bloody stupid system
feral perch
ANARCHY
west silo
No argument there
shell salmon
That's the reason the forerunners attacked
The precursors
If not for that, then it makes no sense
craggy sierra
I still feel like the universe is moving towards humanity rejecting the mantle
west silo
Yes
feral perch
The Forerunners may have been acting in self-defense. They claimed that the Precursors were intending to wipe them out @shell salmon
west silo
Dude we have agreed about this 1000 times now
craggy sierra
Cause like if we do try to do something so bold as establish galactic dominance, that's just going to be covenant war #2 but this time I'm rooting for the aliens
feral perch
Nah I’d definitely rather see humanity as the top dog
shell salmon
Well, the diadact wanted to do something
Something about the flood and something
But they locked him away
west silo
Ha halo is actually warhammer millions of year in the past
gilded mason
...Nah.
shell salmon
I do also know he created the premitions
craggy sierra
The didact wanted to reclaim the mantle for himself on behalf of the forerunners and just decided to crisp all of humanity along the way because of some petty 100,000 year old vengence
feral perch
The Didact voted against using the Halos, but he was shamed because he got outvoted, so he was exiled. @shell salmon
really crappy democracy the Forerunners had
shell salmon
Oh also, 343 guilty spark's life is sad
west silo
The didact wanted to reclaim the mantle for himself on behalf of the forerunners and just decided to crisp all of humanity along the way because of some petty 100,000 year old vengence
@craggy sierra
To be fair he was insane
craggy sierra
Remind me again why you're advocating for us to replicate it with himanity stone?
shell salmon
He was forced to be turned into that ball
feral perch
😎 just for poops and giggles
west silo
He was forced to be turned into that ball
@shell salmon
For 100,000 year
shell salmon
Also, I hate when people bring up warhammer40k
craggy sierra
Also they chose to punish him by saving him from death
west silo
Hey!!!!
shell salmon
Everyone says warhammer is better :/
craggy sierra
Which I don't get
feral perch
you just brought up warhammer 40k tho
west silo
Its good
feral perch
no I didn’t
west silo
I actually brought it up
feral perch
when did I say anything about warhammer?
west silo
Sorry
feral perch
I wonder what that facility is in the “Become” trailer
shell salmon
This feels like last time....
feral perch
I saw someone who tried to say that the Flood are based on Necrons or Tyranids or something
When they’re actually inspired by the unrelated Vang
shell salmon
I got into a fight with people in another place because they said the universe of warhammer would destroy the halo universe
And it really got me angry
feral perch
that’s silly.
obviously fans of one franchise are ready to die for their favorite series, so it’s no use arguing
west silo
I got into a fight with people in another place because they said the universe of warhammer would destroy the halo universe
@shell salmon
Haa vs debates always such fun
shell salmon
Yes, I was ready to die for halo
craggy sierra
That's a bit extreme
Also flood are clearly based on The Thing crossed with headcrabs
feral perch
riiight
west silo
And a little dash of popcorn
craggy sierra
But it'd really be folly to say Halo doesn't have its sources
The Pelicans are pretty much 1:1 taken from the alien movies as well as half the UNSCs ship designs
shell salmon
people say starcraft ripped off Warhammer or something
west silo
To be fair halo pretty inspired every mechanic for modern fps games
shell salmon
Oh also, ironically when I brought up the 298 spartans
Guess who uploaded that video.....
dense pulsar
You're not wrong
west silo
people say starcraft ripped off Warhammer or something
@shell salmon
The tyrinds ripped off the zerg actually
craggy sierra
I still don't think I entirely approve of what Halo inspired mechanically in the broader industry
dense pulsar
Regen health, two weapons only, online multiplayer
shell salmon
Halo follower.....
craggy sierra
Yeah I don't agree with 2/3 of those things
dense pulsar
I can agree with that Waffle, it inspired some uh
craggy sierra
Also online multiplayer existed loooong before Halo. Halo just brought it to consoles.
shell salmon
Okay, look
craggy sierra
I guess matchmaking was a thing it did for it
shell salmon
Supposedly Warhammer came out before starcraft
dense pulsar
Braindead thinking and I don't think it was what Bungie intended but who knows
I think they got feedback on Halo 1 and alot of it was "Limited health makes it too hard :("
west silo
Supposedly Warhammer came out before starcraft
@shell salmon
It did but the tyranids were in spired by the zerg just look at the earlier designs
dense pulsar
But even for its time, when compared to something like Half-life, Halo is kinda babby's first shooter
shell salmon
@shell salmon
It did but the tyranids were in spired by the zerg just look at the earlier designs
@west silo How??
feral perch
Regen health is way better than not regen health
craggy sierra
It actually did a lot of harm to your ability to play aggressively in games
dense pulsar
I disagree. No regening health adds a degree of strategy to the game
craggy sierra
It forces a lot of pauses in the combat to stop and wait for health to regen instead of just being able to find some more
dense pulsar
Do you risk health to make a play that might pay off or play defensively but burn more resources
west silo
Wasn't halo gimmick that it was a contrast to the tipical run and gun shooters of the time
dense pulsar
I liked that they brought health back in Reach cause you could grab a pack and shields would charge again which was always nice when someone was around a corner
west silo
Also that
craggy sierra
Halo's other mechanics that keep it more in line with shooters of olde, specifically with enemy design and stuff keeps me more interested in it than other shooters that have mimicked its mechanics
dense pulsar
During 2 tho, I feel like they were playing alot of Counter-Strike when they came up with the BR
craggy sierra
It does use a lot of old school enemy shooter design philosophies
humble yacht
i think we've drifted ever so slightly from lore 
feral perch
It forces a lot of pauses in the combat to stop and wait for health to regen instead of just being able to find some more
@craggy sierra
But every encounter has to be designed around a player approaching it with the lowest possible health otherwise.
dense pulsar
Maybe its because the general community is better than it was when the games first came out but
craggy sierra
Have you actually played DOOM 2016 or Half-Life?
feral perch
no
shell salmon
Hmmmmmm
dense pulsar
They kinda ruin the sandbox in a way
shell salmon
So, hey something always bugged me
feral perch
And CE.
dense pulsar
And yes I have Waffle
shell salmon
What tool did RVB use in the one episode of Sandbox with that hallway at the top
craggy sierra
Those games health systems function nothing like the health systems in other shooters
feral perch
so why would they in a future Halo?
shell salmon
But how did they achieve that??
west silo
Doom 2016 is all about get close to to enemies to gain better rewards
craggy sierra
There's still a large enough buffer before your health begins actively getting impacted in those games to where I don't even actively pay attention to my health value. It's still only about the shields
shell salmon
Will anyone answer this?
feral perch
Not on Legendary
shell salmon
Also, I noticed there's no custom games VC or channel??
craggy sierra
I got through my recent legendary playthroughs with no problem
tbh Halo 2 was still the worst one of those to do
west silo
There's still a large enough buffer before your health begins actively getting impacted in those games to where I don't even actively pay attention to my health value. It's still only about the shields
@craggy sierra
To be honest I grew up on halo and COD so it doesn't really bother me
craggy sierra
It would bother me less if not every game in the industry became like it for the better part of a decade
We've begun getting away from it again the further into the 2010s we went
shell salmon
I'm gonna leave, this sucks.
craggy sierra
Now both types of shooters happily share the market so I still get my niche filled again
I still love Halo for its lore and universe
west silo
U play wolfenstein?
humble yacht
very subtle, waffle 
west silo
He sees all
humble yacht
over the internet?
craggy sierra
Outside my window?
humble yacht
if that's what you think then you probably shouldn't turn around
cedar surge
So during the battle of earth only Africa was glassed?
humble yacht
half of africa
west silo
Parts of Sydney and Australia as well
cedar surge
Australia got hit hard too?
How does the covenant know the center of the unsc is there?
west silo
Lucky guess?
humble yacht
they remember Chips Dubbo's accent
cedar surge
They got ptsd and tried to halt the producyion of more Aussie marines
Actually
I don't know much about chips dubbo
Is he a fandom thing
humble yacht
yea
cedar surge
Should've known a marine couldn't have lasted that long
cedar surge
Still imagine a marine who managed to survive against every enemy
Johnson doesn't count
west silo
Johnson?
cedar surge
He died to guilty spark
west silo
Well almost
cedar surge
What do you mean almost
west silo
He almost survived against every enemy
Spark just changed teams in the middle of the game
dense pulsar
He does that alot
cedar surge
Spark was being stupid about it
Just trade the ark and a ring for the destruction of the flood
west silo
The guy was on his last snickers
craggy sierra
I find it hard to blame spark when his creators gave him the ability to have loneliness induced psychosis and left him alone for 100,000 years
west silo
Just trade the ark and a ring for the destruction of the flood
@cedar surge
To him the ring was basically all he had
west silo
Technically it was his like getting a replacement phone
cedar surge
@craggy sierra can't the monitors chat with each other?
west silo
@craggy sierra can't the monitors chat with each other?
@cedar surge
Something happened and they lost contact
Spark even went to another ring and no one was home
cedar surge
Then why not give him something to do
craggy sierra
This type of stuff is what I mean when I say the forerunners weren't smart
west silo
Then why not give him something to do
@cedar surge
His job was to take care of the ring
Thats what he do
cedar surge
Ah yea check the ring and do nothing else for thousands of years
west silo
Like raising a species or something
@cedar surge
Animals were on the ring play with them I guess
craggy sierra
Yeah that's specifically why he was so obsessed with protocol beyond being hardcoded to follow it. It was literally all he had in his life.
west silo
Hey blame bornsteller for thinking putting his friend in this position was a good idea
craggy sierra
None of the other monitors were exactly faring much better either. And those ones never even had the excuse of being based off a living conscience.
The forerunners actually just built in the ability to suffer from mental illness
west silo
Hey ai want to be human get human problems as Well I guess
And exuberant witness is doing fine
For now
craggy sierra
Wasn't she prone to mood swings a lot?
In a similar way Guilty Spark was?
I think the only difference is she hasn't murdered anyone yet
west silo
Eh?
Naw she just liked zoos alot
And cortana was trying to take control of her installation
gilded mason
I don't think I recall that, either.
gilded mason
Perhaps.
west silo
I think was when cortana tryed to take her planet
Which to be fair I would be upset too
cedar surge
Do shield worlds also have monitors
cedar surge
Line?
gilded mason
Yeah, like the one from Blood Line
west silo
Weapons that shoot into slipspace
dusty prawn
certain shield worlds did, at the very least
Enduring Bias was huffing it around with the 'Xellus Sangheili until he got hit with a rock
then again when a huragok plugged in his battery again
gilded mason
Enduring Bias best boy
dusty prawn
Almost as good as Exuberant Waifu
cedar surge
The purple monitor from 5
west silo
Less than a handhandful of colonies
gilded mason
Bias guy```
We meet him in Broken Circle, a good book you should read.Maybe like 40 to 30 percent
west silo
Ohhhh him
cedar surge
If the covenant actually did assimilate humanity do you think humanity would have been allowed to keep making its own weapons?
The brutes did
cedar surge
And who would humanity side with
gilded mason
I guess whoever would support them in turn
charred edge
Given humanity if they join the covenant majority of them would of rebelled figuring out the truth sooner or later.
cedar surge
I don't think most of humanity would have bought the religion
charred edge
Same.
thin gorge
military high command already knew it was bull
craggy sierra
I mean most of the races got curb stomped into buying the religion anyways
charred edge
Maybe if they found them earlier they would of.
thin gorge
i doubt the armed forces would accept their fate
versed helm
hm?
gilded mason
Any humanity would join them. When extinction might be in the cards, you'd do what you can to prevent that.
west silo
Many religions probably wouldn't
craggy steeple
Random question. I’ve been looking at Halopedia again recently after getting back into MCC in preparation for ODST’s firefight. Where are the getting info I had no idea about? Like Emile having a brother who sacrificed himself, or Kat’s grandma being an army general. Was there extra lore released on Noble after the game’s release? And if so, in what form?
west silo
Random question. I’ve been looking at Halopedia again recently after getting back into MCC in preparation for ODST’s firefight. Where are the getting info I had no idea about? Like Emile having a brother who sacrificed himself, or Kat’s grandma being an army general. Was there extra lore released on Noble after the game’s release? And if so, in what form?
@craggy steeple
There usually in stuff like lootcrates or canon fodders
craggy steeple
Oh I see, I see. Well it’s interesting that even now, they’re building the lore of character who only appeared once or twice.
west silo
Its pretty common to add lore for characters in outside media if they can't get it in game
cedar surge
Do grunts actually believe in the religion?
Actually what is the religion even called
gilded mason
Many do, I imagine
west silo
Weren't there a bunch of grunts worshipping a Guardian in halo5
carmine sleet
There was
west silo
Its was nice until ya had to kill them
cedar surge
If the sentinels are holy warriors what are prometheans
humble yacht
when did the covenant ever call sentinels Holy Warriors?
cedar surge
I think 2
humble yacht
in CE they attacked sentinels. in 2 they did as well
cedar surge
I don't Remeber the line well
gilded mason
Here's a SpecOps Elite's line in Halo 2 about them:
"Sentinels, the holy warriors of the Sacred Rings. Why have they sided with these Heretics?"
humble yacht
if sentinels are holy warriors then so are prometheans
probably why they let them command covenant forces after Didact was released
gilded mason
Didact combined his forces with Jul's in Halo 4.
humble yacht
i still find it unrealistic that Didact granted Jul an audience and gave him administrative control in case he failed
gilded mason
I guess Didact liked him
west silo
The guy was pretty insane
humble yacht
i mean i like dogs but I don't let them answer the phone
west silo
U don't?
gilded mason
Thought he was competent enough, then
charred edge
He was probably a puppet at best.
Don’t think he had any other officers to be honest.
west silo
Jul did almost destroy the infinity though
charred edge
The librarian?
west silo
Cheater
west silo
Promethean lover
Its still kinda weird that the unsc have a forerunners soul running around there ship
humble yacht
you mean when they put Endurance in their WZ sims?
west silo
Yep
humble yacht
welp
west silo
I guess they got inspired by the matrix
cedar surge
Still find the forerunner engines dumb
west silo
How?
inner basin
I kinda agree, especially considering the UNSC allowed a war criminal to install them on the UNSC’s soon-to-be flagship
fair hazel
inspired by the matrix..? why
versed helm
Bro what
inner basin
Well there is references in the Spartan Ops cutscenes about Halsey not wanting to walk around the ship she built with her hands cuffed. I don’t know if that part’s true, but I do believe that she was a key part in installing the Forerunner engines onto the ship. You could maybe give the Spartan Ops cutscenes a rewatch and come to a conclusion yourself if you don’t want to take my word for it
cedar surge
I also find the fact that the unsc just put the engines into the infinity stupid
Who knows what could have happened
Actually how does unsc tech even interact with the forerunner engine
The engine is way more advanced than anything unsc or covenant
And the amount of stuff that went wrong because of a pice of forerunner tech
west silo
inspired by the matrix..? why
@fair hazel
The endurance of will thing
And the amount of stuff that went wrong because of a pice of forerunner tech
@cedar surge
What other stuff?
cedar surge
Composer,dreatheus moon that turned out to be a forerunner machine that assembled and deasembles planets and destroyed the form or colony
Does the steinals count
west silo
Composer,dreatheus moon that turned out to be a forerunner machine that assembled and deasembles planets and destroyed the form or colony
@cedar surge
Those are uncompariable to a forerunner engine in everyway
Those are all weapons
cedar surge
Ok
west silo
Its like saying the UNSC shouldn't have tried to reverse covenant shield technology because there usually rigged
cedar surge
Rigged
But isn't the forerunner engine just on the infinity? Not a reverse engineered thing?
west silo
Yes but the point still stands
The only time it almost got them killed was when another forerunner artifact interacted with it
inner basin
Ehh, but even then, the Forerunner artifact Crimson brought onboard was interacting with all of the human made systems too
humble yacht
Through the connection with the engines
cedar surge
So the artifact can but the guardians can't?
cedar surge
It was never explained? It is more of a forerunner mcguffin than usual?
terse lava
pretty much
cedar surge
Sometimes they don't make sense
Like in that comic where the covenant capture a random unexplained forerunner thing
west silo
Remember that forerunner thing in one of the Spartan games that was like super important until it just up and left
west silo
Never to be seen again
cedar surge
I forgot all about it
Unexplained forerunner mcguffin are annoying
Because they use the excuse "well its forerunner"
Why should we care if we don't even know what it does
fair hazel
a type of slipspace anchor device thing
unique rune
Decided to re-read Bloodline and I am once again irritated by Escalation.
versed helm
Escalation is one of the deepest and darkest narrative points in Halo’s history
It’s utter trash
terse lava
problem is it had great promise and fell flat on its face
terse lava
story I guess you could say
fair hazel
Theres good and bad stuff in it
terse lava
the Absolute Record, a device capable of showing all forerunner tech, gone. Halsey being able to outsmart a forerunner Contender class ancilla
west silo
Decided to re-read Bloodline and I am once again irritated by Escalation.
@unique rune
Man bloodlines was an acid trip
cedar surge
Eh I'm fine with the unsc not fast forwarding to forerunner tech in a short timeframe
west silo
I mean it comes off more comical than anything else
Its was literally you are not worthy then yeet
cedar surge
Does humanity and covenant species have that much different calenders?
Like how far apart is earth and high charity's calender
west silo
I only know that an elite year is like two years or something
dusty prawn
I thought a leap year was every 4 years 
Yeah it was every 1.5 or so ish. No idea how the calender on high charity worked, outside of general ages
cedar surge
How many languages dud the covenant manage to learn
gilded mason
Here's a conversation about it during the first few months of the war:
“The one they call English and a few others,” Nizat said. “There are so many.”```
lethal comet
We know that the covenant's equivalent of a day is 11 Human days
terse lava
I love how the san shyuum there tries to excuse himself for not learning any
gilded mason
yeah lol
terse lava
Correction, a day on high charity
lethal comet
Just started Broken Circle and its awesome
cedar surge
@terse lava how did he excuse it?
terse lava
That he didnt have time thanks to his duties
gilded mason
👌
cedar surge
So does this mean the covenant species only speak a few languages?
Before the humans
gilded mason
Guess so
lethal comet
They all adapted to the San Shyuum's language
gilded mason
Sangheili, actually
lethal comet
Sangheili is drastically different from pre covenant
cedar surge
Their original languages still exist right?
lethal comet
I
Their original languages still exist right?
The servants of the abiding truth use it
cedar surge
How philosophical
cedar surge
Death
unique rune
Probably like rolling around in rotting meat
lethal comet
Even flood needs love
cedar surge
Wouldn't touch a flood form with a ten foot pole
gilded mason
how did he excuse it?
Oh yeah. Here ya go:
“You did not honor my decree that the Vicars of the Fleet learn the language of our enemy?” Nizat did not hide his surprise, for he had always found the Minor Minister more ambitious than determined, and ‘Szatulai’s example had emboldened him to let his disapproval show. “Truly?”
The wattle beneath Survey’s chin reddened. “My other duties have demanded my attention.”
“Of course. ‘Lakosee will bring a translation disk for you.” Nizat used a hand gesture to signal the steward to take his time returning, for he wanted an opportunity to digest the message on his own before enduring the Minor Minister’s advice.```All flood forms deserve a present in the form of a havoc nuke
Oh
He can't be bothered to learn
So the outer shell of high charity is the crust of a planet
lethal comet
Yep
cedar surge
Does that mean they ripped out the crust of a side of the planet?
lethal comet
Yes
cedar surge
How
lethal comet
The dreadnought was not meant to be moved
The single key ship ripped a chunk out of a planet and wasnt even using its full power
cedar surge
Oh
lethal comet
Imagine what 100% utilization would look like
cedar surge
Goodbye halo 2 chief and high charity
So the covenant plan was to activate the rings and die right?
lethal comet
"ascend"
cedar surge
Why does what's left of the covenant plan to activate the rings at the ark,which would not make them "ascend"?
They would be out of range of the firering of the halos
terse lava
Fun fact on that gravemind cuddle. His body has no moisture
gilded mason
His body has no moisture
That's the key to the puzzle
cedar surge
Fun fact,nova bombs wipe out all life on a planet
gilded mason
He's been upset this whole time because he has dry skin
terse lava
Fun fact, water is wet
Yes, his goal is to assimilate the race with the most fair skin
cedar surge
Fun fact:did you know prophets used to be handsome?
gilded mason
Fun fact: did you know they still are? 😉
terse lava
Ostral, may I speak with you? leads him to heresy purge chamber
lethal comet
Imagine Truth on a catwalk
terse lava
Just picture handsome squidward with waddles
cedar surge
@lethal comet no
lethal comet
That frail old man has a lot of talents
gilded mason
You can break my body, but never my spirit
cedar surge
@gilded mason a gravemind can do both budfy
gilded mason
Nice
lethal comet
We need to give the gravemind some moisturizer
gilded mason
^
cedar surge
Hey maybe the reason why we havmt seen the unsc use nova bombs
Is that they are saving them for flood infections of colonies
Too many flood forms to handle? Nova bomb on the way
terse lava
Yes
cedar surge
That suggest there is a 3rd nova bomb
gilded mason
I'd say 3 to 5
cedar surge
Maybe that's why the unsc didn't have to face a invasion of a major covenant remnant
They got nuked out of existance
gilded mason
Or, Cortana had no idea that they were already out
ebon mauve
They used 2. Since they are so OP I hope that was the only 2, despite how cool the scene from Ghosts of Onyx was
gilded mason
^
cedar surge
Shiva orbital bombardment may make more sense
What was it they said the nova was made out of? 9 nukes attached to each other?
Is it specified how powerful these nukes are?
terse lava
Well, one shattered a moon and irritated a planet to its core. Wiped out every form of life on the surface along with coastal cities. That was from one bring held in orbit on a supercarrier
The other was left on a planet, blew it to bits
cedar surge
Imagine if brutes and humanity teamed up before the covenant. The covenant would of had a even harder time
Also do you guys think blowing up a planet instead of just nuking it is overkill?
gilded mason
Yes
cedar surge
Same objective,bigger and smaller outcomes
cedar surge
How is it insane for the unsc
terse lava
Dont forget in the forerunner era, if a flood fleet jumped in system, the defense fleet would blow up the star
cedar surge
They don't really have morals for the covenant
gilded mason
I mean power-wise
The power of the NOVA bomb compared to everything else is monumentus
terse lava
Is funny to think as far as we know, the Covenant never needed such crazy tech
cedar surge
Well yea
There is some space between the nova and I think havoc
And other smaller nukes
But does it really matter when you deny a tactical advantage to the covenant
cedar surge
ONI would be to differ
dense pulsar
Well, the Covenant wanted to completely eradicate humans
cedar surge
It is totally fair somehow I think
dense pulsar
What did they have to lose?
cedar surge
Yea
gilded mason
Y'all know I'm not speaking ethics-wise, right?
dense pulsar
If they didn't resort to crazy tactics like that and think about the consequences after the war, there wouldn't be a humanity
cedar surge
Well
If you think about really hard
I can offer a explanation on Why they are so powerful
neural physics
terse lava
Well the NOVA bombs would have done nothing besides make the planet you are trying to defend worthless
dense pulsar
Ah yes neural physics
gilded mason
You dare use that term...against me?!
terse lava
That's our joke
cedar surge
Send them to enemy planets
dense pulsar
They already lost several colonies tho Ado. Whats better, losing a planet or too, or losing human lives, something that can't easily be regained
cedar surge
@dense pulsar uh
They lost a lot more than than
That
How many colonies do you think there are @dense pulsar
dense pulsar
Oh god dang
cedar surge
Yea we went from 800 to a few dozen
gilded mason
Anyway. I am saying that their power completely dwarfs the power of every other UNSC tech by many, many orders of magnitude. There's a vast gulf between it and everything else in the modern setting. And it's somehow the UNSC of all factions that has it. That's (one of) my issues with it.
dense pulsar
I mean, the same could have been said about actual nuclear weapons at the end of world war 2
cedar surge
Mista
Bombs went from destroying buildings and streets to flattening cities
However we go from flattening cities to destroying planets
We usually have to have something in between
dense pulsar
It only makes sense tho, this is hundreds of years after they were introduced and they were already pretty crazy in the century they were introduced
gilded mason
The power needed to destroy a planet is almost incomprehensible
dense pulsar
How much energy is needed?
gilded mason
225 million Yotta Joules
humble yacht
Depends on the size of the planet
Also depends on what you mean by “destroy”
You mean blow up the planet DBZ style?
dense pulsar
What about crack a substantial portion of the crust of the planet.
cedar surge
It actually blows the planet to pices
@dense pulsar musta it was able to crack the moon and destroy the surface of the planet it was over on a ship in orbit
He amkiunt of energy
dense pulsar
That does sound kinda silly tho
I thought it was more like the crust got blasted away rather than it was DBZ'd
humble yacht
By comparison, the asteroid that killed the dinos was somewhere between 1 and 50 yottajoules
gilded mason
The nuke would have to have a mass of 9 quadrillion tonnes to deliver 225 million Yotta Joules. For reference, The Mantle's Approach, which is about the size of High Charity, has a mass of 4.7 quadrillion tonnes
cedar surge
Oh
dense pulsar
So it would have to be heavier than an entire ship
gilded mason
A ship the size of High Charity
dense pulsar
What tech did humans reverse-engineer that came from the Forerunners?
fringe robin
Infinitys engines
humble yacht
They didn’t reverse engineer the engines
gilded mason
They're straight up Forerunner engines
fringe robin
ah
humble yacht
They just glued forerunner engines onto infinity
fringe robin
lol
humble yacht
Well hey
fringe robin
must be bolted on with heavy plot armor
humble yacht
Forerunner stuff responds to humans
gilded mason
Good 'ol' cheatcodes. 😋
terse lava
Yes but its just.....dumb
humble yacht
There are dumber things imo
terse lava
Reverse engineer to make your own engine ea faster, sure
humble yacht
Infinity’s engines are pretty inoffensive to me
humble yacht
That’s how I feel about almost everything from Greg Bear
dense pulsar
Wouldn't Forerunners use an energy source for their engines that humans probably wouldn't know about?
humble yacht
Vacuum energy
dense pulsar
Unless Forerunner tech was retro and future proofed for less advanced civs
humble yacht
Forerunners took energy from theoretical alternate realities
dense pulsar
What in the world
humble yacht
They killed universes to make their ships go
dense pulsar
They could do that but their genius stopped at making giant death hoola hoops?
humble yacht
Talk about metal
gilded mason
They took the energy from parallel universe's big bangs just as it happens
dense pulsar
Still somehow lost to the flood tho
humble yacht
Well
gilded mason
Problem with the Flood, they also have access to Forerunner tech
humble yacht
Sometimes it doesn’t matter how much energy you have
gilded mason
And Precursor tech
dense pulsar
How good is precursor tech? I was always under the impression that Forerunner tech was just left over Precursor stuff
fringe robin
magic only appears that way to those who don't understand
gilded mason
nods magic
dense pulsar
I keep seeing that term thrown around but what exactly does it entail?
terse lava
Neural physics?
It was the precursor idea that the universe itself was alive, and through this they created their structures made out of literal thought pretty much
dense pulsar
Thats magic bro
terse lava
Yea
craggy sierra
Magic
lethal comet
If you don't understand something in halo lore, slap Neural Physics on it
versed helm
how did precursors do stuff? neural physics
how sis the forerunners turn photons into solid, tangible stuff? neural physics
how is chips so good at surviving? neural physics
terse lava
chief's luck? Neural flipping physics
grand iris
Anyone realizes that there is something odd about spartan 3 service tags? Carter for example is A-259 but on his armour it says S-259
versed helm
carter is from the alpha group of S-IIIs
the A is for discerning which group
but the armour is for a spartan, so the S
grand iris
Think in lore it's to prevent people from raising questions on why their service tags are slightly different?
knotty mesa
So presumably spartan 2s have 1 or potetionally 0 through 150 or so spartan 2s then spartan 3s pick up numbering
gilded mason
So presumably spartan 2s have 1 or potetionally 0 through 150 or so spartan 2s
Nah, they had reduced funding, so they only got to have 75 instead of the greater amount
grand iris
And the death as well as crippling of candidates which is more than half didn't help
gilded mason
Indeed
grand iris
It's said spartan 3's who meet the requirements of the 2 program can take the same augmentations and without crippling or killing them
knotty mesa
So spartan 3s as base augmented into 2s
grand iris
If they meet the requirements...Their's is a 100% success rate than the 44% rate of their predecessors
since medical tech increased
Kurt 051 called it a quantum leap over the ones he had when recruited as their trainer
knotty mesa
What book is kurts story in?
grand iris
Ghosts of Onyx if i remember
versed helm
aye
grand iris
Haven't read it myself though. Should have picked up the book when i saw it
dense pulsar
How will Elite culture change once everything is finished?
lethal comet
What do you mean by 'everything'
dense pulsar
Well, the major conflicts in the Halo universe
broken hollow
The sangheli are driven almost directly by their culture and religion their culture might change but they're religion isn't changing
charred edge
Would the elites harm innocent civilians or would that go against their honor?
versed helm
culture, more than religion
charred edge
Because I know they are hard core honorable warriors sort of?
carmine sleet
Elites have glassed many human planets without ever deploying on the planet personally, since not all planets have Forerunner artefacts on them
versed helm
Isn't Chol Von still alive?
cedar surge
Is the Cyclops a better mech than the mantis?
lethal comet
Isn't Chol Von still alive?
Yes
She escaped via escape pod
Is the Cyclops a better mech than the mantis?
Both have their pros and cons but mantis has energy shields
Cyclops has more specializations
The cyclops is faster
The mantis has a neural link
inner basin
The Cyclops also moves faster (nvm you mentioned that), but you need to keep in mind that Mantises were created well after the War whereas the Cyclops was used during the War
carmine sleet
The Cyclops is not originally a combat mech, whereas the Mantis is
cedar surge
Yea I know but somebody said that the Cyclops would have been the better mech for combat
Cause of how tall and skinny the mantis is
Are mechs that useful for combat
versed helm
a cyclops with a heavy gun would be very combat effective
lethal comet
Do not underestimate the mantis
versed helm
a cyclops can rek both buildings and troops, even without a gun
a mantis is not to be messed with, agreed
but the cyclops, if given ranged weaponry, would be an all-rounder
i think the colossus also has melee, right?
cedar surge
It stomps on people
versed helm
oh yeah. cause of the size
lethal comet
Just wait till hannibal mantis goes into mass production
cedar surge
Is the original mantis still a prototype or already in mass production
dense pulsar
I don't know
Mechs are basically bipedal tanks and you don't really need to fully destroy them to make them no longer a threat
I think infantry with rockets could just take out a leg
lethal comet
It was only used by classified operators and Infinity's spartans
dense pulsar
And boom, its stuck in place
versed helm
also used in HW2
dense pulsar
Yea, but how good is it's mobility? Its just a walking target then
dense pulsar
With enough concentrated fire on the legs, I don't think its holding up
lethal comet
By then neither are you
dense pulsar
Maybe not even blow off a leg, just damage it enough to cause mechanical failure
lethal comet
That weakness will always be there
dense pulsar
Thats what I'm saying, it being bipedal is a detriment
lethal comet
How else can you get a running tank
dense pulsar
Its an easy target
lethal comet
It can run
charred edge
LOOKS at war thunder April fools moments
lethal comet
Smaller target than a tank
dense pulsar
Jets that can you fire at you before you can even see them?
lethal comet
Mantis can dodge most but tanks cant
dense pulsar
Maybe with a Spartan operator
lethal comet
And mantis supposedly feels like an extension of your body
dense pulsar
Especially if the yield of the explosive is high enough
dense pulsar
Plus they have to do a full 180 if youre behind them
lethal comet
Its kinda meant for spartans and skilled operatives
dense pulsar
A Banshee thats maneuvering well enough would just fly around it
Fly out of range of its weapons
lethal comet
Hannibal is working on that
lethal comet
Thats like a wasp attacking a ghost
Ground vehicles are always susceptible to air attacks
dense pulsar
But imo, the mechs more so
A Scorpion just needs to Rotate its turret
Not the the entire vehicle
inner basin
You realise the upper body of a Mantis can rotate 360 degrees, right?
craggy sierra
I still think the mantis is dumb. Its legs look like sticks that can be shot out with a pistol and if you knocked it on its back it probably wouldn’t be able to do anything but flail.
lethal comet
Mechs literally have on board computers for balancing and not falling over
inner basin
You really don't know much about the Mantis lore then, do you Waffle?
lethal comet
Titanium legs cant just be destroyed
It can survive direct hits on weak spots
And energy shielding goddamnit
inner basin
The Mantis does have less armour and raw firepower than a Scorpion, but it makes up for it with energy shielding (which a lot of people seem to forget) and greater/faster mobility. Notice the 2 things that the Mantis has in it's advantage, the Scorpion is missing
craggy sierra
I still think that outside of game mechanics, a scorpion shell would just cleave a leg clean off of it.
inner basin
You underestimate the power of energy shielding. It'd likely take two shots if the Scorpion operator doesn't miss
Besides the Mantis isn't an anti-armour vehicle. It specialises more in anti-infantry/anti-air vehicle, but can also deal with hostile light ground vehicles
obsidian thistle
The Cyclops however does have a lot of variants xD
Like... wow
So many variants
So glad Grim merged some together xD
inner basin
If there isn't a Hannibal variant, I'm not interested ;P
west silo
What about a riot variant instead?
humble yacht
fires bean bags
terse lava
and high-pressured water replaces the rockets
cedar surge
Plus something running at you is more scary than something driving towards you
Plus
Group of mantis vs scarab
Can mantis drop from orbit?
terse lava
doubt it
unique rune
I think?
If I remember correctly, Jerome's modified Mantis drops in for its deployment animation in HW2... but it's been a while since I last played the game to check.
carmine sleet
Given the right protection, anything could theoretically be dropped from orbit
terse lava
well 1. His is modified, 2. multiplayer=|canon]
carmine sleet
Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of vehicle drop pod
unique rune
Just checked and yeah, Jerome's Mantis is dropped in for its deployment animation, but, again, need to account for the things that Ado mentioned.
versed helm
Has the Y'deio system been taken over by Cortana?
carmine sleet
Unknown
versed helm
Earth can't catch a break,can it?
terse lava
should have had more kit-kats
versed helm
Like how many times has that planet gotten attacked by an extraterrestrial force?
cedar surge
Lets see
Forerunners
Flood
Covenant
Prometheans
Created
Insurrectionists
Yea
It got messed up
terse lava
maybe precursors if they did the whole "wipe out dinos bit"
unique rune
How long have mantises been in use?
Since the early 25th century, apparently.
First entered service with the UNSC in 2403.
unique rune
According to its official Universe page on Halo Waypoint, yes.
carmine sleet
That doesn't seem right
unique rune
Yeah, it sounds real weird. Since the Mark I prototype ADS was still being tested late in the Human-Covenant War... and the Mantis is supposed to be Mark IX....
carmine sleet
Are we certain we're not getting mixed up with the Mantis AA guns the Covenant uses?
unique rune
Might’ve been a screwup on 343’s end but it definitely says 2403 on Waypoint
west silo
Isn't the mantis based off the prototype armor?
unique rune
Which is still weird considering one of the potential canon reasons for the Mantis’s name is because of the Covenant’s Mantis AA guns.
Isn't the mantis based off the prototype armor?
Same project lineage, yes. Both were designed under the HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL armored defense system projects.
terse lava
something funny I just realized, that the Jiralhanae were apparently so trival, their intro to the Covenant was given no "Age of Conversion"
feral perch
2492 wasn’t it?
west silo
I think the years that the brutes were apart of the covenant should have been longer
unique rune
Looking at the Mantis's history again... yeah, someone's definitely messed up somewhere along the line, since the initial prototype of the Mark IX was apparently still being field-tested during the Battle of Meridian.
How strange.
terse lava
agreed, when I read Ghosts of Onyx, I figured they had been in the Covenant for at least 200 years
pity they made it so short
west silo
But just 60?
How big is there population?
Especially since they were used like bullets in some battles
terse lava
their homeworld has 12.5billion
west silo
Wow
terse lava
and apparently their only self-made colonies were their two moons
west silo
Well they did nuke themselves right after leaving there homeworld
terse lava
eh pretty much
feral perch
Halopedia says the Jiralhanae had an age of conversion... is it possible for two ages to exist simultaneously?
terse lava
well, Shadow of Intent if I recall correctly, the minister comments only two ages passed between the jiralhanae joining the Covenant and the schism
let me double check that though
feral perch
Shadow of intent has a weird chronology though
terse lava
here we go "In less then three ages, we lifted them from savagery to starships"
so yea, just the Age of Doubt and Age of Reclaimation
cedar surge
Seems too short
terse lava
well it' what 343 apparently chose when deciding the Covenant timeline. I assume it's to show the amount of favoritism the jiralhane got. 60 years compared to 3400 years of the Sangheili
west silo
Ehhh wasn't bungie the ones who made the 60 years thing?
feral perch
Interesting that the Jiralhanae joined the Covenant one thousand years after Chris Columbus’ voyage. Both eventually led to major upheavals in an empire... just coincidence?
west silo
I think not☝️
cedar surge
So if the covenant found humans really early before the artifact at harvest told them the humans were reclaimers what do you think would if happened
Or are artifacts like that all over the place
humble yacht
humans would have probably been killed anyway
gilded mason
Depends on the mindsets of the current Hierarchs, I suppose.
humble yacht
we don't exactly take kindly to people trying to enslave or oppress us
gilded mason
I imagine many humans would prefer surrrender over extinction.
gilded mason
And maybe they'll only become Fringe species. Or if they fought valiantly enough in a potential initial war, they'd let humans keep more autonomy.
give me liberty or give me death
live free or die hard```
A nice *sentiment*, but...
clever fable
Would the Covenant's typical tactics allow humans to shine valiantly in a war effort? They don't seem suited to our best aspects.
gilded mason
I meant an initial war betwwen the UNSC and Covenant if first contact still doesn't go "well"
gilded mason
They don't seem suited to our best aspects.
Though whatcha mean?
humble yacht
even if humans somehow joined the covenant as fringe or otherwise, the luminaries would still identify them as reclaimers/forerunners
that would ultimately cause problems for the religion
gilded mason
Yep, so a large question would be how does not-Truth take it?
clever fable
Aside from stealth focused squads with active camo, much of what we see is more like "shock troopers" and "shock troopers but now with even more shock". Humans aren't unknown to do those tactics obviously, but the covenant's efforts against humanity just seem very homogenous.
gilded mason
Truth hates
charred edge
I don’t know why he liked the brutes.
terse lava
He didnt hate humans, he hated what he thought they were
clever fable
easier to control supposedly.
gilded mason
He felt he could control them more easily
terse lava
Yeah
gilded mason
Humans aren't unknown to do those tactics obviously, but the covenant's efforts against humanity just seem very homogenous.
Then humans making use of those kinds of tactics under Covenant rule might impress them. We know they have nothing against clever tactics, after all.
clever fable
That's what I mean kinda. What exactly is the expected amount of alotted freedom to employ those tactics? We know Thel was considered an unconventional mind, and that makes it come across as though many of humanity's better machinations of warfare might be looked down upon to me. That's just my assumption though.
feral perch
Terrorism was considered dishonorable by Sangheili
gilded mason
Nah, not only Thel, but even in Oblivion, we see other Covenant cleverly outsmart UNSC tactics as well. Most shipmasters probably use uninspired tactics because there's simply no need for anything else most of the time.
terse lava
I would say it was more thanks to the advanced tech the covenant had that made them appear to lack good tactics
clever fable
I don't mean to imply that Thel was on his own, only that his implimentations were considered non-conventional for the Covenant.
gilded mason
Locke considered them non-conventional, at least
And I see no reason why any Covenant tactician would be upset by those tactics if they bring results.
feral perch
the plot of halo oblivion summarized:
"Chief, this is a trap. Go get it anyway."
"ok."
it turns out to be a trap
"aw shucks."
gilded mason
Also:
Nizat and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day
feral perch
featuring some kids that nobody asked for
cedar surge
So who are the covenant's smart ship and fleetmasters?
clever fable
Is Oblivion rated well?
terse lava
Replace day with "Age"
gilded mason
Is Oblivion rated well?```
YehIt is
feral perch
Oblivion is good but pointless aside from Nizat's story.
terse lava
I only bought it for his story
cedar surge
So if your a covenant fringe sspecies you are given autonomy but still part of the covenant?
clever fable
Is there a number on the amount of fringe species?
cedar surge
Did any fringe species join in the war?
terse lava
Yeah, "pay your taxes and tithes and we will leave you alone"
cedar surge
Wow
terse lava
Not that we.know of
terse lava
Population usually too small
cedar surge
Oh
terse lava
Couldnt "trade service for salvation"
cedar surge
Like a few million?
terse lava
Likly
clever fable
Was humanity the largest opposing faction the Covenant came across then?
versed helm
Or inhabit resource poor areas of the galaxy
feral perch
Honestly if Oblivion had just been that one chapter where we get all that juicy lore about High Charity and he steals that thing from the vault, that'd be enough.
gilded mason
Hehe
cedar surge
The banished,grunt and jackal resistance were not that large
Humanity was the largest out of the 3
feral perch
jackal resistance?
cedar surge
Yea
gilded mason
The Covenant did have large issues fighting the Yanme'e and Lekgolo, though
versed helm
Well wasn't it said that the reason as to why the Covenant never deployed their full military might against humanity was because they were waging war against other interstellar empires?
cedar surge
I read that on the halopedia
That the covenant had to fight to integrate jackals
No?
Where did you get that?
versed helm
I probably got that off of waypoint or something i thought of
cedar surge
Was it a YouTube?
craggy sierra
I don’t think they got them in by selling them religion
clever fable
I remember there being a few scant lines alluding to that, but I don't know if it was ever concrete.
cedar surge
@versed helm trusted source or just a random person
versed helm
Random probably
cedar surge
Well there is that one line in wars
clever fable
Mostly theory by community based off like two lines but maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
feral perch
Regret was just being hysterical like he usually was.
clever fable
That boy needed some milk.
cedar surge
Ripa talking about using all the covenants forces to destroy humanities forces and regret exclaiming "and leave us defenceless?!"
feral perch
He needed to shut down Ripa's zeal so he made up an excuse
cedar surge
Yea I take that as the covenant needing forces to take care of pirates,rebellions,banished, and maybe something related to the flood sometimes
clever fable
Was Ripa always so hot headed, or was that just after becoming an arbiter?
gilded mason
Always
cedar surge
I think so
feral perch
he just liked violence
knotty mesa
Always
cedar surge
I read ripa killing his clan leader
feral perch
that's pretty much his one character trait
cedar surge
And trying to start a rebellion I think
feral perch
yep, violence
clever fable
hydra dominatus! @knotty mesa
knotty mesa
Indeed 🐍
clever fable
Chances of us getting anymore backstory on Ripa are slim then I guess?
knotty mesa
We got a comic
knotty mesa
Maybe a short story in an anthology or something
versed helm
Is it possible that the Sangheili were waging war against other races prior to their first contact and subsequent war with the San'shyuum?
feral perch
why?
versed helm
How many planets did the Sangheili colonize prior to their war with the San'shyuum?
gilded mason
67
cedar surge
Oh
gilded mason
And they did fight other species beforehand, yes
clever fable
That's more than I was expecting honestly.
cedar surge
Well humanity had 800
versed helm
What if it's possible that the Sangheili wiped out the unknown bipeds on the Planet of Blue and Red?
gilded mason
Nah, the text implied they were long extinct
cedar surge
What was the 3rd species in the covenant
cedar surge
With ssanghelli as the main troops
versed helm
Then there's the so called "unidentified assailants" in the System of Miasmic Giants
cedar surge
How much of the covenant army is grunts do you think?
versed helm
I still like to know who those assailants were
terse lava
Random aliens
gilded mason
And these were planets, not just mining stations or research outposts.
terse lava
It was before the covenant was even formed
I do wonder if having just the lekgolo made the sangheili and san shyuum rather dismissive of other life
versed helm
I also heard that they might've been the aliens that crash landed on Alpha Halo in 40,000 BC
The unknown assailants
cedar surge
So if a species was made a fringe because they didn't have enough people,why not have some of that species just work with another? Its not liked you have to make every member apart of the military
Or do they actually do that
terse lava
All members of the Covenant have to provide troops
alpine merlin
Nearly sure all species were used in the military bar the san shyuum
clever fable
I mean they used to have prelates didn't they?
terse lava
Those were limited
versed helm
I still say it would be fun to fight a Prelate
terse lava
More like special ops then soldiers
versed helm
How dangerous is a Prelate compared to a Spartan?
clever fable
I want more stories of them.
cedar surge
Saw a halo follwer video on them
Well not really watch
Just looked at
And he used a pic of xytan I think
feral perch
Prelates could barely handle an S-III in my estimation.
gilded mason
How dangerous is a Prelate compared to a Spartan?```
Staten thought them up as equivalent to Spartans in powerI don't think they ever actually fought Spartans, so...
alpine merlin
Master chief could take a prelate easily