Well I think he has interacted more with forerunner tech than anyone else
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
dense pulsar
The thing is, he's a war hero and not someone with a degree and while I think Master Chief could plausibly complete a doctorate, the UNSC could probably field people who are already qualified to do that
He'd be an interesting case study for Spartan-IIs tho
versed helm
But honestly he would be the best kind of field researcher
He can hold his own even without his armor
dense pulsar
I'd be surprised if they didn't use Master Chief as a basis for training Spartan-IVs and ODST
versed helm
they tried
dense pulsar
Wdym?
versed helm
I feel like the more advanced spartan technology gets that eventually the odsts will end up like the colonial millita and be dispanded
chief is as close as they got to the ideal spartan
dense pulsar
Well it cost like, alot of money and resources to develop just one spartan and presumably they already need a background in specops and on top of that, theres genetic requirements
versed helm
aye
I mean after at least like 10-50 years when they might be able to pump out spartans left and right
the IIs didnt have that issue, cause they were literally raised for the jib
whaddya think the S-IVs are?
dense pulsar
Plus, theres BS jobs you need grunts for. You wouldn't have your Navy SEALs doing field day when theres a bunch of E1-3s to make do it
versed helm
The need for Marines will always be there
I was talking about the odsts which are the sneaky bois
marines are the base, ODST is the quick response, spartans are all-rounder
dense pulsar
And theres the social aspect of it since Spartans were originally for fighting rebels. ODSTs are faceless guys in black armor. Spartans on the other hand, easier to remember. What do you do when its finally confirmed your Spartan was committing war crimes in an outer colony?
ODSTs are really for insertion behind enemy lines to disrupt them or like Pacino said, sneaky stuff
Its just probably easier go get ODSTs than Spartans
versed helm
you forget gray team
they were staking out that asteroid colony for a pretty good chunk of time
versed helm
I'm pretty sure everyone was fighting rebels before the covenant attacked
dense pulsar
Yeah, but Spartans were supposed to be super efficient at it
Noble 6 before he was on Noble team solo'd entire groups
versed helm
the spartan program was made for next level fighting
first, to get the innies
then, to rek the covies
dense pulsar
Now maybe he's an outlier like Chief, but I think a team of them could do the same
versed helm
You guys make good points but I've got school in a few hours so ima go to bed
dense pulsar
Imo, if the Covenant waged a war of conquest instead of extermination, humans probably wouldn't have stepped things up
versed helm
thats debatable
dusky kindle
They covenant waged a war against the humans because we're offensive to their religion (I think don't quote me)
terse lava
The Covenant hierarchs thought humans were left behind Forerunners, thus invalidating the promise of the Great Journey
ionic meteor
The deepest lores
versed helm
Deepest of lies.
west loom
Quick question
Anyone knows which book tells the story of the research team on 07?
carmine sleet
There's not much on them outside of the early chapters of Hunters in the Dark
feral perch
Primordium has info on Installation 07 but not the research team
humble yacht
Doesn’t fractures have I07 on the cover?
west loom
Ik ik
I read Primordium
We just had a debate about the research team on the general chat and I was wondering
There's not much on them outside of the early chapters of Hunters in the Dark
@carmine sleet thanks!
feral perch
Fractures has a Halo on the cover
craggy sierra
I mean it's a mixed bag there with books and games. I'm not opposed to book stuff being brought into the games but do make a bit more of an effort to explain stuff in the game itself
feral perch
I’m just trying to russle the jimmies of Bungie fans who won’t even see what I wrote lol
humble yacht
Oh I07 is on the cover of fractures because of Promises To Keep
west loom
Btw I was talking about halo fractures in the other chat, my mistake
feral perch
Promises to Keep doesn’t have 07 in it.
west loom
Please just avoid spoilers about jt
feral perch
It has Maethrillion and the Ark.
humble yacht
Mentions it
west loom
I got fractures
But have 3 other halo books to finish first lol
humble yacht
Halopedia says it does
Go to the zeta halo page and the go down to Appearances
The cover is IsoDidact remembering looking at zeta through a cracked visor
feral perch
I went to the article for Promises to Keep
It seems that I was incorrect. Interesting.
I never knew that that cover was Bornstellar’s visor
humble yacht
Sorry, cracked ship window
west loom
You really making my curiosity hungry today lol
now I want to get to fractures already, it just sits here, next to me, calling
feral perch
it’s a short story anthology so it doesn’t matter that much when you read it
west loom
yea but I love Born stories
terse lava
Pity they never did a short story on Bornsteller finding the fate of his family
lethal comet
I dont think there was any special reason why 07 was on the cover of fractures
feral perch
That would ruin the ending of the Fractures epilogue
lethal comet
Does make you wonder if 343 had planned the broken halo at that time
feral perch
I was being dumb lol, you meant his birth family
humble yacht
It matches a moment in the final short story
terse lava
I was referring to his father, mother and sister, yes
feral perch
I guess they all got fried by the Halo array
terse lava
They didnt
feral perch
I haven’t read Silentium
terse lava
Infected by the flood, would have been a good tragic story to cover that
It was revealed in Cryptum
feral perch
Was it? I don’t recall that
terse lava
"I never saw my family again. Alive and free"
Yeah, he makes that comment on leaving his homeworld to head to the capital
feral perch
Oh. That’s at least somewhat ambiguous
terse lava
Well it shows he found out his home planet was attacked, and he brought troops to take care of the plague and apparently came face to face with his family
winged pendant
So I have been rewatching the Halo 5 cutscenes
I feel like Halo story turning into Mass Effect/Terminator was the result of them running out of ideas for conflict in the Halo Universe
Personally I think they should have just brought back the Didact
north umbra
Running out of ideas for conflict?
inner basin
I think the concept was a really interesting one but was executed poorly imo
north umbra
can you elaborate
winged pendant
Well the Flood is gone, the Covenant is in shambles, and theirs a peace between Elites and Humans.
north umbra
Bring back the insurrectionists
winged pendant
Personally after Halo 4 there really isn’t much of a fight enough to make a mainline game out of so they put together a new one in a rush
inner basin
can you elaborate
Well the thought of Cortana turning the AIs against their creators and Chief on the run going AWOL with an ex-ONI agent now Spartan hunting him was pretty cool tbh. If this question wasn’t directed at me, then my b
inner basin
Personally after Halo 4 there really isn’t much of a fight enough to make a mainline game out of so they put together a new one in a rush
Have you forgot the Banished along with all the other ex-Covenant factions? There’s plenty to choose from. Remember that the Covenant was a space Empire after all
winged pendant
I guess but it feels like the epicness that 343 wanted to create for Halo is gone
north umbra
Star wars made a big expanded book universe out of the factions split from the empire
winged pendant
Like after saving the world like in each of the four games
humble yacht
Saving the world over and over gets boring
winged pendant
Halo 5 being just cleaning up Covenant would feel like it’s not on that scale of importance
humble yacht
Eventually you’ve got to change the kinds of stories you tell
gilded mason
^
winged pendant
And I am ok with that, but the thing is 343 isn’t
They don’t want to make Halo Reach or ODST
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
inner basin
They don’t want to make Halo Reach or ODST
They never said this
humble yacht
Sucks for us, then
inner basin
Also IIRC Bonnie Ross said that after Infinite, spin-offs aren’t an if, they’re a when. I can’t remember the exact quote but it along those lines
humble yacht
Halo 5, for all its issues, at least wasn’t another apocalypse
north umbra
I agree that the story did get spread thin but saying that theyre running out of possible conflicts in halo is just silly
winged pendant
I mean it kinda was
winged pendant
And yet Cortana powered up the Halo ring in the legendary ending
humble yacht
We don’t know what that meant
carmine sleet
That was more than likely just to be a symbolic "Hey, this is where we're going next" type thing
humble yacht
It’s unlikely that she would fire a halo at this point
winged pendant
So do we know anything about the Infinite story?
humble yacht
Yes
winged pendant
So no Locke?
inner basin
and master chief is on his own
Not exactly. UNSC forces are scattered though. I get Battle of Installation-04 vibes from this game so far
north umbra
thats all i know
humble yacht
We don’t know that much
north umbra
did you watch the gameplay beta Fanimus
winged pendant
Well at least they are taking their sweet time with development
inner basin
We don’t know where Osiris are (all were last seen aboard Infinity in 2558) Blue Team are going back to Reach in 2559 for a mission but that’s all we know until the Shadows of Reach book comes out
winged pendant
@north umbra After pushing away the Rustled Jimmies Brute memes I am not impressed.
north umbra
did you watch it or not
winged pendant
Not fully
inner basin
That explains everything then
north umbra
bruh
brb
@winged pendant go to 6:40 and watch the rest. It lays out the story of the game that we know
winged pendant
So I gave it a watch
Gameplay looks fun
Graphics need more time in the oven
And the story seems, totally different from what Halo 5 was.
So is this like...a reboot of a reboot?
inner basin
I think the term used was a spiritual something (I can’t remember the term for the life of me). But it’s not a reboot. It will be a sequel to Halo 5, but really not involve itself with 5
winged pendant
Yeah it feels like they are just gonna keep the plot focused on the Halo ring
north umbra
I do not care about graphics whatsoever.
winged pendant
Which I am ok with but honestly I don’t just want this to be the story of Master Chief and his bearded friend.
north umbra
I play halo 2 splitscreen which means 1/4th of 480p and it works well enough
I love his bearded friend. Its anyones normal reaction to meeting Chief.
inner basin
Which I am ok with but honestly I don’t just want this to be the story of Master Chief and his bearded friend.
We don’t really know if there’ll be any other characters involved. I really do hope Blue Team make cameos as well as maybe some allied SoS Elites that may have been aboard the Infinity at the time
winged pendant
Imagine a Halo game that lets you choose what character you play as
Or what Spartan at least
inner basin
I also think it’d be cool if the co-op characters are the other players Spartans, and they are confirmed to be canon, even if they aren’t given a canon appearance (kinda like Fireteam Crimson for the longest time before they got a MegaBlox set)
north umbra
Halo game where you make your own player character like skyrim?
And you have to go through UNSC boot camp and stuff
gilded mason
Sanghelios RPG
inner basin
Imagine a Halo game that lets you choose what character you play as
Or what Spartan at least
Are you talking about Spartan generations e.g II, IIIs and IVs? Or specific named Spartans?
winged pendant
Or I was thinking like as you progress through the missions you unlock other Spartans to play as, as you meat them in the game. Because this game really gives off a free roam style game
Sorta like Destiny.
north umbra
Halo 3 odst but the story is youre Johnson escaping installation 04
inner basin
His escape isn’t really anything too interesting (for a game anyways)
versed helm
So Halo CE.
north umbra
that isnt the plot of halo ce
inner basin
So Halo CE.
It’d be post-CE
versed helm
It's more relevant to reference than ODST, lmao.
inner basin
^ That is also true
north umbra
they could retcon the current escape story and make it epic
I figured it makes sense because ODST is like a background story that takes place after 2
inner basin
they could retcon the current escape story and make it epic
But I kinda like the escape being told in a book format. Also not a big fan of major retcons like that
versed helm
He just hides in debris and leaves, lol.
north umbra
i guess its more comparable to fireteam raven then?
versed helm
No.
north umbra
why
winged pendant
So do we know which Installation Halo this is?
versed helm
Because they all died.
inner basin
Installation-07 aka Zeta Halo, Fanimus
north umbra
Because they all died.
@versed helm I mean its setting not what happens in the story. Raven takes place while chief is saving the universe and so did Johnsons escape
winged pendant
I wouldn’t be surprised if it became like a home base considering everyone else got screwed over
inner basin
I mean if you want a game where you play as Johnson, Cov, a good setting would be the Battle of Harvest. The story in the book was good and it could make for an awesome game adaptation while staying true to the canon for the most part
versed helm
It's not comparable to Raven's story because the stories are very different and Johnson even meets with Chief later on after I04's destruction.
north umbra
that would be cool as well
or if we could incorportate my earlier idea the first few missions could be fighting insurrectionists
versed helm
The story of him surviving the events of I04 has been covered in a comic and novel.
north umbra
@versed helm did you read what I said? I said they arent similar in story
versed helm
What are you on about? I am explaining why a game based on his escape would be really boring.
north umbra
It's not comparable to Raven's story because the stories are very different and Johnson even meets with Chief later on after I04's destruction.
@versed helm
versed helm
Looks like you didn't read what I said afterwards.
north umbra
I did but its not relevant so i ignored it.
versed helm
It is because you wanted a game that covers his escape, which would be rather dull.
north umbra
I understand that viewpoint
inner basin
I mean if you want to see how he escaped you could just read the book or look it up on Halopedia or something, but it really wouldn’t make an interesting game
cedar surge
I don't think there is enough material for that
What about when he fought at that colony called Paris
north umbra
It would if they retconned the book but you said you wouldnt like that
inner basin
Yeah, I wouldn’t because the story in the book is good
north umbra
Has anyone here watched Halo Nightfall? Would you recommend it?
versed helm
That's what I have been saying, Beast. The game would involve "press B to hide under debris" and that's the entire game.
Nightfall is pretty garbage.
inner basin
Has anyone here watched Halo Nightfall? Would you recommend it?
It’s pretty good imo. It develops Locke’s character pretty well and shows that Halo 5 just made him a cardboard cut-out
west silo
It's pretty good once they get to the ring
Though I still find the explanation for Randall stupid
inner basin
Yeah that’s the only canonical jarring part for me. The fact that the UNSC invested so much into the S-IIs and then just let him go confuses me. We know that Maria was let go to start a family, but that could just be a test to see how Spartans can act in civilian life before more want to start retiring
We are aware though that she’s likely ready for a call to action if the UNSC needs more Spartan-IIs for whatever reason, but it’s unlikely that’ll happen considering they have at least 500+ Spartan-IVs around 2557-2558
west silo
Whats really jarring was that they were able to remove the augmentations with no side effects what so ever
gilded mason
I really don't buy them able to really remove any of the augments. Maybe the bone plating? But at that point, why even bother?
west silo
And when he goes missing there just like
Spartans go gone
inner basin
Whats really jarring was that they were able to remove the augmentations with no side effects what so ever
Well I wouldn’t say no side effects. The stitching and cuts themselves are still visible from where the plating was taken out
west silo
I really don't buy them able to really remove any of the augments. Maybe the bone plating? But at that point, why even bother?
@gilded mason
Aren't there nervous systems like replaced with wires or something
Well I wouldn’t say no side effects. The stitching and cuts themselves are still visible from where the plating was taken out
@inner basin
Doesn't all Spartans have scars like that?
Especially if u use the halo 4 scanned trailer
Even the 4s have scars
north umbra
why did they remove augmentations? to reuse them?
gilded mason
Because Randall didn't want to go back to the UNSC
These...really don't look removeable
They all basically become completely integrated into the Spartan as they grow older
west silo
Did they take out his eye augmentations too
west silo
Thinking about it
The Spartan4 augmentation process sounds horrific
They literally get there muscles taken off and then stitched back onto them
Sounds like something chaos would do
inner basin
@inner basin
Doesn't all Spartans have scars like that?
That was just post-augmentation though. His seem to be permanent
west silo
No but seriously wouldn't it have made more sense to just kill him then
U know tie up loose ends
What if he became an insurrectionist
inner basin
That’d be very unlikely for Spartan-IIs. They were indoctrinated and brainwashed so that they’d never turncoat. There was 1 case, but that’s because the Spartan was deformed and became a monstrosity during the augmentation process I think. I can’t remember the Spartan-II’s name
gilded mason
Soren
inner basin
Ah yes, that’s the one
west silo
Its still is a major security risk
cedar surge
Yea why would the unsc just let Spartans go
west silo
Soren
@gilded mason
Wait isnt soren head of oni now
cedar surge
Actually why does the unsc and ONI suddenly have a change of heart post war
versed helm
Convenient writing.
west silo
Yea why would the unsc just let Spartans go
@cedar surge.
Weirdly it was oni that did it
cedar surge
Like ONI hounding on halsey and letting Spartans go
inner basin
@gilded mason
Wait isnt soren head of oni now
That’s Serin Osman. They do have similar names tbf
cedar surge
I also don't buy the unsc just letting Spartans leaves that easily. What if they join the insurrection and tell them everything?
west silo
Even stranger why did they make a Spartan have a family during the war right after reach fell
cedar surge
Didn't the kids have some of the enhanced abilities of a Spartan?
That sounds super convint
inner basin
They didn’t make Maria have a family, she wanted to. She’s also still likely on a reserve list and is still augmented considering she tested out the Mk. VI armour that we recieved at the start of Halo 2
west silo
Didn't the kids have some of the enhanced abilities of a Spartan?
@cedar surge
I don't think she had kids
inner basin
Didn't the kids have some of the enhanced abilities of a Spartan?
That’s only known to pass down to the kids of the Orion Project, not the Spartan-II program
west silo
Maybe ur thinking of the Spartan 1.0
They didn’t make Maria have a family, she wanted to. She’s also still likely on a reserve list and is still augmented considering she tested out the Mk. VI armour that we recieved at the start of Halo 2
@inner basin
Bruh so if 10 of the Spartans wanted to leave would they let them
inner basin
I also don't buy the unsc just letting Spartans leaves that easily. What if they join the insurrection and tell them everything?
This is also very unlikely as the IIs were indoctrinated and brainwashed into believing that the UNSC was good. There is also only 1 case of one Spartan-II becoming a turncoat and this is discussed above
@inner basin
Bruh so if 10 of the Spartans wanted to leave would they let them
I doubt they would let 10 leave, but they did let 1 leave so maybe it’s to test how Spartan-IIs can act in a civilian environment and adapt to civilian life
west silo
Brainwashing can only go so far since even some Spartan 2 didn't like the UNSC
Dang chief even got fed up with them
inner basin
There’s not many cases of Spartan-IIs disliking the UNSC also, they didn’t like the Insurrectionists either. Again that was likely heavily included in the brainwashing
west silo
Jorge liked the innies just didn't agree with their methods
west silo
Pretty sure its said he agreed with there points just didn't like the methods of doing so
inner basin
I don’t believe there’s a record of this at all
The only line I recall of him discussing Innies in-game is when he asked why would they want to cut off Reach from the rest of the colonies
west silo
If its not from reach then it was from a canon fodder or lootcrate
inner basin
I don’t think so. There was never a mention of Jorge having Innie sympathies as far as I can recall
I mean maybe a Canon Fodder, but the only one on Reach that I can remember was Have S’moa, but the only part in it I remember was the S-III teams that were on Reach I’m pretty sure, and how they were confirmed to be S-III teams
humble yacht
his b.net character profile says he was vocal about self provincial rule, and just as vocal about his distaste for separatist and insurrectionist movements
west silo
Are we sure the bungie. Net thing is still canon?
Because some of them have been retconed
humble yacht
Unless it’s explicitly been said to not be, it still is
Also a character profile is unlikely to need retconning
Maybe you just misremembered about Jorge. It happens
west silo
Most likely
versed helm
What ever happens to the washed out body’s because in Halsey journal she mentions that the body’s were place in cryo
cedar surge
Dissected maybe?
unique rune
Some of the Spartan-II washouts were later rehabilitated, successfully augmented, and entered service as full Spartan-IIs at a later date. Red Team's Jerome-092, Douglas-042, and Alice-130 were among them.
dense pulsar
I really don't see Master Chief living a normal life
Even if he retired it would probably be to a civilian job in the UNSC
fiery token
sharp adder
bt if apatans ll ha kids there augmented and genes woud pass don to there kids
unique rune
...Not necessarily.
Some of the hormonal/chemical ones might, but the mechanical, physical modifications almost certainly wouldn’t.
gilded mason
Wouldn't reproductive genes not be effected by the augments? I remember some discussion about that a long while back.
lethal comet
They may have fast reflexes and reaction times but wont have stuff like increased muscle density and carbide ceramic ossification
Wouldn't reproductive genes not be effected by the augments? I remember some discussion about that a long while back.
Spartan IIs still have the best genes
Thats why they were chosen
unique rune
Wouldn't reproductive genes not be effected by the augments? I remember some discussion about that a long while back.
In general, I don’t believe they would, since there’s not really any genetic modification going on.
gilded mason
Spartan IIs still have the best genes
Thats why they were chosen```
Yeah. But I'm talking about the augment alterations not being passed down.If chief does retired he would probably choose a nice place to settle down to live out the rest of his life
west silo
Question in the beginning of ODST the rookie jumps out of the pod on the side of a 3 or 4 story building
versed helm
I guess third story building
west silo
And pretty much walks it off for the entire game so are odsts augmented or is the armor just that good
terse lava
Well he did get hurt pretty well in the landing
unique rune
The real answer is “don’t think about it too hard”
gilded mason
I guess good armor+falling technique+medigel
unique rune
Medigel is magic
gilded mason
Just like Neural Physics 🙃
versed helm
Medigel heal all lol
west silo
Is his armor different from the one in nightfall cause that might explain it
unique rune
The chemists at Optican accidentally tapped into the powers of neural physics when formulating medigel, no other such incidents have been recorded
west silo
Or is it oni hoarding all the good dtuff
unique rune
Is his armor different from the one in nightfall cause that might explain it
Yes, ODST armor is different from Nightfall armor.
gilded mason
Understandable
dense pulsar
ODSTs actually get an injection to make their bones dense so they don't break when they're actually hell jumping
west silo
Yes, ODST armor is different from Nightfall armor.
@unique rune
As in the nightfall one is better?
dense pulsar
I don't think it's as extreme as the Spartans tho
versed helm
The big question is did ONI know about the voi portal
west silo
Not until truth dug it up
unique rune
As in the nightfall one is better?
It’s... not exactly clear. I would imagine they’re pretty comparable since they’re both designed for unaugmented personnel.
west silo
Well cause in nightfall they fall really far
Realllly far
And don't even flinch
Well news everyone just saw that joe Staten is the project lead for infinite
lethal comet
Not until truth dug it up
@west silo They knew
dense pulsar
Imagine if ONI did find the Voi portal tho
lethal comet
The big question is did ONI know about the voi portal
@versed helm Johnson interrogated the engineer at the end of odst
dense pulsar
I'm sure they would find a way to hold the rings and the ark hostage
west silo
Nope
lethal comet
Along with Spark's knowledge they figured out it was the portal to the ark
west silo
The keyship just plowed right through them
dense pulsar
Yeah but it had to yolo itself
Imo, I think the UNSC could have defended Earth way better but plot demanded the Covenant breakthrough
lethal comet
Truth took a calculated risk
Imo, I think the UNSC could have defended Earth way better but plot demanded the Covenant breakthrough
In halo 2 when Regret's carrier ignores the cairo station, thats the definition of YOLO
nimble crest
Virgil knew about the ark portal base before 3
dense pulsar
Exactly
west silo
Truth took a calculated risk
@lethal comet
To be honest the unsc probably couldn't even damage the thing
nimble crest
Not after being interrogated but it’s said in the logs
dense pulsar
What if regret messed up and the UNSC dealt with the rest of the fleet better?
lethal comet
Not after being interrogated but it’s said in the logs
That was the whole point of halo 3 odst
west silo
Just stay in the ship till the covenant fleet arrives
dense pulsar
I mean, the fleet at Reach was larger than the one that came to Earth and that one sustained heavy causalities by the UNSC
Other than Regret yolo'ing himself through, I think Earth would have been fine especially if they thought it was going to be Reach part 2
west silo
Didn't the real battle of earth started after they went through the portal
terse lava
Well the jiralhanae reinforcements sent by Truth arrived within minutes/hours of Regret leaving
west silo
Am talking the halo 3 portal
dense pulsar
Did the rebels have any major engagements with the Covenant?
Oh, I figured the Covenant must have left at that point because of the Great Journey
Why stay on Earth when the biggest thing in your religion is about to happen?
terse lava
No, by the time the ark portal opened, the battle had ended
west silo
The portal was on earth sooo
dense pulsar
They would just leave through the portal
But I like the Biblical reference Bungie put in. They needed the ark to save them from the flood.
west silo
No, by the time the ark portal opened, the battle had ended
@terse lava
Really? Didn't hood only send 2 ships because he needed the others for the battle
west silo
But I like the Biblical reference Bungie put in. They needed the ark to save them from the flood.
@dense pulsar
The ark didn't really save anybody
It was firing an halo on the ark
No he sent those as almost nothing was left
@terse lava
You sure
Sorry if am sounding annoying
Its just am really questioning things now
dense pulsar
I know that but the ark was A.) Used to carry the DNA of all living things in the galaxy, much like the ark in the bible B.) Used to save them from the flood
terse lava
Nah it's fine and yeah, most of home fleet was in tatters by that point
dense pulsar
Now, dying seemed like a better alternative than infection to the forerunners so I would say, yes
The galaxy was saved from the flood
dense pulsar
Yes
terse lava
Not much choice therr
dense pulsar
Its not a perfect 1:1 but its a neat lil reference
There's also 7's
7 being god's number
7 x 7 x 7 = 343
west silo
There were actually 12
unique rune
Well. Not as originally written.
The older 12-ring array and Greater Ark didn’t exist until the Forerunner Trilogy.
Before then it had just been the 7-ring array and what we now call the Lesser Ark.
terse lava
Bungie always had plenty of 7 reference stuff
gilded mason
And I heard the Greater Ark was written into existence by accident
terse lava
True
Although
It kinda had to exist as the details from Cryptum didnt match the lesser ark, so pretty much yeah
cedar surge
Any chance of the greater ark being repaired?
terse lava
No
cedar surge
So it was completely destroyed
terse lava
It was torn to pieces by star roads
cedar surge
Though how were ark even made anyway
terse lava
They were made by mining out planets and using other material
The forerunners had literal infinite energy
cedar surge
So the rock in the middle is just a planet
dense pulsar
Its really a mystery how they lost to the flood then
terse lava
It's a planet used to construct halos
They lost mainly due to the star roads and logic plague
west silo
Its really a mystery how they lost to the flood then
@dense pulsar.
The flood were just better
cedar surge
Then eventually wouldn't they run out of the planet?
Like would they send out sentinels to find another planet
terse lava
They would, a new one would then be taken and replace the old
west silo
They lost mainly due to the star roads and logic plague
@terse lava
And Mendicent giving away all there locations to the flood
cedar surge
How do setinals move a planet
cedar surge
Really?
west silo
How do setinals move a planet
@cedar surge
Retriever good yo
cedar surge
I thought if you didn't have a slipspace field you would be harmed
terse lava
The forerunners had full mastering of slipspace
They were capable of doing stuff that makes no sense
west silo
And star roads could shut them down
dense pulsar
Can any human be considered a reclaimer/inheritor or is it just uberchads like Master Chief?
west silo
Spartan ops plot point
terse lava
Mhm
west silo
Glassmon scene
terse lava
progress?
cedar surge
That's the guy who was betraying the unsc right
dense pulsar
Then why did Guilty Spark have a random marine try to run through the Library?
west silo
That's the guy who was betraying the unsc right
@cedar surge
If by accident yes
cedar surge
@dense pulsar well I don't think you need to be a reclaimed to get the index
terse lava
The marine was simply chosen for the task
west silo
Then why did Guilty Spark have a random marine try to run through the Library?
@dense pulsar
He was a reclaimer
cedar surge
Why didn't guilty get as group of marines
terse lava
Whether being a reclaimer or spark just seeing him as talented.
Likely because that risks flood infection
west silo
Spark was off his rocker As Well
cedar surge
A group of marines or just a group like Fireteam raven would have been suitable
terse lava
Remember though the flood get more intelligent the more they consume. Using too many humans would just be feeding the parasite
west silo
A better question why didn't spark throw away the section of the ring with the flood
west silo
He was aware from the beginning he didn't even send any sentinels
dense pulsar
Extreme temperatures kill the flood, so theoretically, jettisoning part of the ring into space could kill it?
terse lava
The flood can survive in space
west silo
Extreme temperatures kill the flood, so theoretically, jettisoning part of the ring into space could kill it?
@dense pulsar
Actually the flood in the mona lisa were found floating in space
terse lava
He was aware sure, he tried to warn a covenant ai of the danger the flood possessed
west silo
So just throw away ground zero before it got worse
terse lava
Well we also see flood biomass on the surface of various vessels too
dense pulsar
The covenant ai really just wanted them to die so he didn't have to do things anymore
Big lazy vibes
terse lava
It likely spread too fast for that. As a point of reference, Roland comments to the S4 that had voi ot been glassed, Earth would have fallen to the flood within hours
dense pulsar
What was that one monitor that also just stopped caring?
terse lava
2401 Penitive Tangent
dense pulsar
I think you can see him on one of the Halo 2 maps iirc
west silo
Poor guy he was so rampant he didn't even know the gravemind had him
Nor remember that he had a facelaser
dense pulsar
Halo survival horror game where an AI has gone rampant and a gravemind has taken over the ship
terse lava
Could argue that was disabled by the gravemind
terse lava
Never explained
west silo
Halo survival horror game where an AI has gone rampant and a gravemind has taken over the ship
@dense pulsar.
Just adapt the mona lisa
Never explained
@terse lava
What were the flood doing on the gas money though
terse lava
The mine had been modified to become a flood research facility
west silo
Wait its not the same gas mine from fractures right?
terse lava
Correct
west silo
Really? Didn't that one fall into the gas giant
dense pulsar
What if the Brutes had sided with the humans instead of the Elites? Would the war be lost?
dense pulsar
Human brain power can't offset their shortcomings can it
terse lava
plus the sangheili had more control over material then the jiralhanae
olive portal
how hot were ancient san shyuum really
gilded mason
Really hot.
versed helm
hot enough to send forerunners in a tizzy
olive portal
kinda wish i was born 100k years ago now ngl
versed helm
hotter than Rtas 'Vadum?
gilded mason
Maybe not that hot.
knotty mesa
What exactly happened on earth while cheif went to the ark?
dense pulsar
Probably nothing while Covenant stragglers got mopped up
The flood just popped up so they were probably dealing with any lingering effects of that too
lethal comet
If san shyuum had fashion, how would models look like
swift kelp
carmine sleet
Halo hasn't really delved too much into that side of Covenant society. We don't really know much about any famous non-combat/non-political figures within the Covenant
sharp adder
th normal acient human civian is equal to masterhceif
dense pulsar
Wut
lethal comet
Wut
same
versed helm
I think he's saying that the run of the mill Ancient Human would be a match for Master Chief
inner basin
[X] Doubt
lethal comet
we dont know enough about them to say that
versed helm
I wouldn’t put it against them
carmine sleet
th normal acient human civian is equal to masterhceif
@sharp adder Source?
versed helm
Chief was almost killed by a basic caretaker model for overseeing a dormant ring. With something of somewhat similar security like an Ancient Human footsoldier, I wouldn’t be surprised
cedar surge
So are shortswords still in service?
So what did the unsc tell the public about the flood
They can't tell too much or some stupid insurrectionists are going to try to use them as weapons
carmine sleet
The Flood is a highly classified secret. They aren't going to tell the public that what are basically space zombies exist and had managed to land on Earth
terse lava
yeah, the public was told that after truth left, another covenant fleet jumped in to glass the area before following truth
lethal comet
The public doesnt even know about prometheans let alone the flood
Its not good for 'morale'
terse lava
the only civilians to know of the flood in the modern era were the ones in the Covenant
lethal comet
Even they only knew of it as a trial in the great journey not a threat to the galaxy
terse lava
well they just knew it once existed and did threaten the galaxy, before the halos fired and wiped the corruption away as the Forerunners ascended
broken hollow
Plot twist Yap Yap the destroyer is master cheifs son
cedar surge
I thought they told the public about the flood in that outpost discovery thing that was in universe
They even showed a infection form
feral perch
That’s quite true
humble yacht
It’s unclear in what capacity Outpost Discovery fits into canon
broken hollow
Did you know a single flood spore can wipe out an entire star system
feral perch
false
knotty mesa
Why is it that no hunters or engineers are seen with the separatist elites in halo 3?
feral perch
Bungie thought their players were too stupid to tell the difference between allied hunters and enemy hunters
feral perch
Or green
knotty mesa
Yeah
broken hollow
Halo ce's hunters were way too easy to kill
knotty mesa
Thats because you have a hand cannon my dude
broken hollow
Yea jus aim for the head
Did you know even when u don't have grunt bday party skull on there's a 1 in 1000 chance of their still popping with confetti
feral perch
that’s not true
broken hollow
Look it up
feral perch
No, you made the claim, you back it up
humble yacht
It’s true, the onus is on the claimant
broken hollow
I can't I watched it in a video
feral perch
link the video to me then
broken hollow
General Kidd said it so I believed him
broken hollow
Ye
feral perch
hearsay
broken hollow
What's y'alls favorite elite design?
humble yacht
Well you shouldn’t believe something just because general kidd said it
humble yacht
Reach officers
lethal comet
What's y'alls favorite elite design?
Halo reach general
broken hollow
I liked h2a general
knotty mesa
Zealots from reach
humble yacht
There is no general in H2A
feral perch
... but in all seriousness, Reach Elites are my favorite.
knotty mesa
Or standard combat from 3
lethal comet
H2a councillors were great
broken hollow
Let me correct myself I liked the h2a honor guards
knotty mesa
Halo reach elites are too sluggish, I know that in a vidoc they said its because spartan IIIs are more nimble but still
humble yacht
Nothing sluggish about that roundhouse kick
knotty mesa
Or that one frame melee tbh
feral perch
Reach Elites are the most nimble enemies in Halo outside of Skirmishers
lethal comet
Reach elites feel more lore friendly in terms of size
feral perch
Maaaaybe Drones are more nimble
knotty mesa
Did reach have drones in any mission?
feral perch
Yes.
lethal comet
New Alexandria and Pillar of Autumn
knotty mesa
I dont remember them from campaign tbh
feral perch
And Tip of the Spear
lethal comet
Tip of the spear doesnt have drones
feral perch
Yes it does
lethal comet
where
carmine sleet
Tip of the Spear Drones can easily be missed because you could just destroy the gun from afar
lethal comet
god i am blind
I have never seen them in my nearly a decade of halo
My first ever encounter with drones was new alexandria
charred edge
So question. How did the gravemind get onto high charity?
The frigate?
Reason I’m asking is due to the size of the grave mind is it even possible for it to fit inside of it?
craggy sierra
You get a pretty good sense of scale when you see in amber clad warp inside of it and how big its crash in the side of it is in relation to all of the skybox
Like there’s full on sky scrapers in the distance
You just hang out along the outer wall of the place in Halo 2
charred edge
Yeah... the grave mind is legit a alien worm/ snake thing
craggy sierra
Oh you meant the gravemind
charred edge
Yeah.
craggy sierra
It doesn’t have an official size given but it’s definitely not bigger than High Charity.
charred edge
But if definitely made it to high charity.
craggy sierra
Also grave mind sizes can vary a lot depending on their biomass.
feral perch
The Gravemind is every Flood organism. The vocal outlet you see in the opening cutscene of the level by the same name is just that; one part of something much more vast
craggy sierra
It did
charred edge
You telling me it can fit on the frigate?
feral perch
If a combat form got on the frigate, then so did the Gravemind
craggy sierra
Going theory is it had access to the Ring’s teleportation grid
charred edge
I see. In halo 3 Cortana level what’s the section of high charity you are possibly in?
The maintenance section?
craggy sierra
Yeah
Tbh that level was a bit underwhelming for what it could’ve shown you of high charity
charred edge
Yeah
Would love to explore more of it.
Oh
Can’t say that
Wierd
The doors on that level creeped me out.
The flood organic ones
charred edge
Think the halo rings would make a good settlement at all?
Remove the firing mechanisms and any flood labs [I don’t know why the forerunners decided to have flood labs on some rings]
craggy sierra
I’d make a summer home in one
charred edge
Only down side is probably not having WiFi.
craggy sierra
Tbh the UNSC was actively disarming them before the events of H5
charred edge
But other then that I would love to live on one and explore stuff.
craggy sierra
Also the Halo universe has to have some intergalactic internet equivalent.
charred edge
Hopefully the monitors are not crazy like spark....
cedar surge
@craggy sierra waypoint
craggy sierra
They kinda all are a bit crazy
craggy sierra
But they’re easier to talk to since we now actually understand what they’re talking about instead of just dumping protocol on us and explaining nothing.
craggy sierra
The domain is weird. It doesn’t really have a physical representation.
Think of it like ancient alien Amazon Web Services
Except all the servers are stored in the nth dimension
And might in fact just be that dimension
charred edge
Brain hurts....
lethal comet
'internet' isnt what it now in the halo universe
The waypoint is always under surveilance by unsc
craggy sierra
This is why you sign up for Nord VPN
charred edge
Insert classic YouTube sponsor clip
craggy sierra
Tired of a military that's enforcing intergalactic marshal law snooping on all your Uggoy lewds.
Nord VPN
cedar surge
The best ones are the ones were they know the product is trash but they know their audience is smart enough to figure it out
cedar surge
Unggoy what
charred edge
Love how master chief everywhere he goes something big has to blow up.
Halo 1 a HALO. 2 a scarab 3 couple scarabs and a ARK.
Different question. How did a super carrier get into reach undetected?
Kind of can’t miss something that big.
craggy sierra
cloaking
charred edge
So no one detected a slip space rupture or whatever you call it?
craggy sierra
They can slip space in halfway across the system they're in and just fly in normally
charred edge
Gg UNSC gg....
craggy sierra
In Halo 2 they seemingly slip spaced in farther away than Jupiter and never got detected until they passed by sensors on one of its moons
That was even without cloaking cause they never expected a human presence
charred edge
Blame the prophet.
lethal comet
And there werent many ships so it could easily be mistaken for a big asteroid
charred edge
I guess.
lethal comet
The reason why Thel's fleet was detected cause you cant miss 300 ships
charred edge
I’m nitpicking UNSC way too much.
craggy sierra
I still hope one of these days we get a Mass Effect style galaxy map to show us how everything is laid out in the Halo universe.
charred edge
Would be nice.
craggy sierra
Cause it is something I wonder about a lot and they do seem to have similar stuff in their ship-board navigation stuff.
lethal comet
What was that absolute place with the janus key
charred edge
Huh?
lethal comet
That can show where everything is
craggy sierra
I'm not asking for that kind of detail
lethal comet
The Absolute Record
craggy sierra
I meant where like all of humanity's colonies are, what the aliens territories are, and where the so far discovered forerunner stuff is.
lethal comet
That stuff is better in books
craggy sierra
If I'm being frank the forerunner stuff in Halo is kinda what I care about the least.
I'm more interested in the universe and the currently living inhabitants of it.
craggy sierra
Is No Man's Sky even meant to be in the Milky Way?
humble yacht
no
craggy sierra
I would've gone with the Elite Dangerous map
Which is 1:1 scale to the size of the milky way
But yeah I do wanna see where everyone sorta lives in relation to eachother and what general areas a race calls "their land"
lethal comet
Probably just coloured dots on systems based on influence
fringe robin
NMS has 255 different galaxies
humble yacht
someone beat NMS 255 times?
fringe robin
it's not that hard, you just keep jumping
fix your ship up after going to the next galaxy and keep on trucking
humble yacht
i thought to get to a new galaxy you had to reach the center of a previous one?
craggy sierra
Point was that NMS isn't really applicable to Halo when Halo is set entirely within the Milky Way
I think Elite Dangerous is an interesting game for giving a sense of scale to how big the galaxy really is, even with FTL travel.
There's a bubble in that game that represents the area the players have mapped out over the years of the games existence and it's absolutely tiny to the full scale of the game
humble yacht
so nobody in Elite Dangerous has just tried crossing the whole galaxy from one end to the other?
craggy sierra
They have but we're talking having to jump across billions of star systems while the upper end of ships jump range in that game is about 40 star systems before having to stop and refuel
knotty mesa
Are there any named Lekgolo factions?
craggy sierra
See that splotch of colours? That's the entirety of the Elite Dangerous Galaxy that has been explored
This is that splotch of colour up close that represents each faction's territory
http://remlok-industries.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/ED-PP-map-cycle-80.jpg
And even just within that is absolutely thousands of star systems
craggy sierra
With great difficulty
tbh I've had my own personal speculation that the 343 redesign of their faces was to make them make more biological sense.
However they eat, they evolved with a mouth that's meant to take large wholesale bites out of stuff. The thing is their original mandibles don't look like they have much of a good muscle grip to be able to do that with.
Their newer structures look like they have much more muscular foundation to be able to do that with...it just looks a bit daft.
cedar surge
You know I have to question that when it looks like their teeth is just one poke away from stabbing out their eyes in the redesign
Is lasky a good captain? Like on the level on Keyes or Cole?
craggy sierra
tbh I'm not really seeing that
Like it's closer to their eyes but it doesn't look like it'd flex in a way that would ever bring it in contact with them.
cedar surge
Still what's the point of the top mandibles being past their upper jaw
craggy sierra
¯_(ツ)_/¯
All I know is I have a much easier time believing the elites in H5 can actually tear flesh with their jaws while in classic Halo I have an easier time believing Rtas got his injury from trying to eat a sirloin.
feral perch
lol
cedar surge
The unsc could have simply beaten the covenant by making elite food too hard
Is there a need for elite jaws to move when talking?
Itts not like they are doing anything
The talking comes from the throat right
craggy sierra
Yeah
tbh They shouldn't be able to form consonants
So by design for them to speak English they probably have a Xenomorph mouth
cedar surge
That's a bit funny and scary to think about
So how do different phenotypes of covenant species work
They come from the same planet but look very different from each other
craggy sierra
Do all humans look alike?
feral perch
how do parakeets and penguins exist?
cedar surge
Yea I know
feral perch
species variation
shell salmon
Hey, here's something I've never understood? And I don't know if it's because of time constraints, but why do almost all the aliens speak english?
cedar surge
They dont
craggy sierra
In general or just in Halo?
shell salmon
In halo
cedar surge
They do for our convinece to understand the story
craggy sierra
Yeah in Halo 2 they definitely weren't speaking english in all the arbiter sections
shell salmon
convenience*
cedar surge
Just like how here in movies and tv shows everybody speaks the same language
Where tilt came from
feral perch
Some Covenant squads were ordered by the leadership caste to speak only human language(s) in order to understand what their enemy was saying.
cedar surge
Gotta be tough to understand the amount of languages humanity has
shell salmon
Okay, well going to another thing. What do you guys think of the great S
gilded mason
Schism?
craggy sierra
It sure was a civil war alright
shell salmon
Yes that word
cedar surge
The covenant civil war
Can that still even be called a civil war now that the covenant is gone?
feral perch
Nope
cedar surge
I don't think there is one true covenant faction
shell salmon
Covenant isn't gone
cedar surge
It is
shell salmon
It's really not
cedar surge
The one in 4 and 5 are remnants
feral perch
The Covenant was defeated in Halo 5, dude
shell salmon
Sure they're smaller groups now
shell salmon
But there's still quite a bit of activity but it's spread out
charred edge
Technically it was destroyed in halo 3.
feral perch
no they’ve been defeated
cedar surge
No the covenant broke down into different groups and are fighting each other
feral perch
Jul ‘Mdama’s Covenant is done. Kaput.
shell salmon
Okay, look I didn't ever play the fifth game
And I never will
I wanna believe that..... doesn't exist
feral perch
w/e, just don’t make lore claims if you don’t know the material
cedar surge
If a nation was destroyed and all that's left are rebel groups the nation is still not around
craggy sierra
Your fault then if you don't know the current state of the covenant
shell salmon
Excuse you?
craggy sierra
As a religion it's going to be about as wide spread as any cult now a days
feral perch
no, excuse you lol
shell salmon
I've been watching this lore youtuber channel for a long time
feral perch
LOL
shell salmon
I know my stuff about the halo lore
cedar surge
That's not as impressive as you think it sounds
feral perch
Read Halopedia, or the novels, or the games, and use YT only to supplement the source material and/or Halopedia
shell salmon
But in my opinion I won't consider halo five canon
craggy sierra
Except for the fact that the Elites cleared the last of the covenant extremists off their planet.
Missed that detail
feral perch
that’s a very unoriginal take
soft notch
I consider all as canon despite how bad it may be
shell salmon
Halo 5 ruined cortana
feral perch
Yes
soft notch
Well in a way yeah
versed helm
Halo 5 ruined a lot
soft notch
But we must see this till the end
cedar surge
Yea 5 messed up
shell salmon
Now, I don't hate 343
craggy sierra
Yeah no not wrong but that doesn't mean it's not canon.
shell salmon
Because after the mess of halo 5
charred edge
4 and 5 art style killed it for me.
shell salmon
They actually dropped a great game
feral perch
Considering something non-canon just because you don’t like it isn’t helpful
cedar surge
Halo wars 2
soft notch
Yeah my major complaint was art style
shell salmon
Yes
craggy sierra
On the bright side Halo 5 had good ideas. Ideas that can at least be made good with a sequel.
shell salmon
I love halo wars 2
craggy sierra
So hopefully that's where Infinite's coming in
cedar surge
What do you think of the story?
soft notch
I still play halo wars 2 but the all air tactic ruins it for me
shell salmon
Well for a long time
I thought brutes weren't smart enough to stop listening to the prophet's lies
cedar surge
Apprently the shortswords had a concept where it was a unit before they changed it
shell salmon
Until well halo wars 2 dropped
soft notch
Atriox is the goat no lie better then tartaraus
craggy sierra
The Banished were around before the end of the war
cedar surge
What was it
shell salmon
Ik
cedar surge
5 or 10 years before?
feral perch
Atriox is incompetent
cedar surge
What do you mean
soft notch
How
shell salmon
It was even stated that the covenant could help hold Atriox down
Never*
Could never hold*
soft notch
Atriox wooped on red team
shell salmon
Let me say this as well
soft notch
He isn't all brawn no brains
shell salmon
Will Craig ever become a thing?
soft notch
Easter egg
feral perch
Atriox lost his right hand (Decimus), his largest starship, and a Halo ring (which is what he went to the Ark to get) all to the ol’ Spirit of Fire. In fact, the Banished never win a battle against the UNSC in HW2’s main campaign.
cedar surge
How is Atriox fault
feral perch
BRUH
soft notch
I see what you mean
craggy sierra
Yeah this is what happens if you look at plot beats without context
shell salmon
Well the banished kicked the flood's butt
feral perch
He’s supposed to be some brilliant tactician but all he does is lose
cedar surge
Since when
craggy sierra
Because you beat him
cedar surge
Since when has it been stated he is a tactical genius
soft notch
But they weren't about to kill off the good guys like that at least he is still alive and is winning in infinate
soft notch
Well their monkes
cedar surge
You ain't wrong
feral perch
Yes, in engagement after engagement throughout the campaign. Atriox can’t even keep his lieutenants from screwing things up. Also, Atriox isn’t in Halo Infinite afawk
shell salmon
Remember the beginning cutscene for awakening the nightmare?
cedar surge
They opened high charity even after Atriox told them not too
charred edge
Which is odd.
soft notch
Dude brutes are naturally like that tho
shell salmon
And when Atroix came to the scene
soft notch
Atriox is like the better version of brutes he actually is smart
feral perch
Brutes are actually closer to bears than apes, btw
soft notch
Mix
shell salmon
He single handedly crushed an infected form with his hand
cedar surge
I wonder if tarturas could get a high position in the banished
soft notch
No atriox took down red team
feral perch
that’s not impressive, Jas
craggy sierra
No
cedar surge
@shell salmon chief did that too
shell salmon
Who?
craggy sierra
Tartarus is a middle manager who can't really do much without being given explicit orders.
cedar surge
Chief
feral perch
Atriox took down three relatively inexperienced Spartans who had just come out of cryostorage. Not all that impressive...
shell salmon
Middair*
soft notch
I would say impressive
cedar surge
Is red team really that innexperinced?
feral perch
Compared to all the Spartans, yes
soft notch
What were they Spartan 2
cedar surge
Halo wars 1 was only 20 years before CE
feral perch
Yes, they were S-IIs
shell salmon
Bruh idk about you, but I loved in halo wars 1 where I would watch spartans get infected
west silo
They had only fought for 5 years in Thewar
feral perch
Red Team washed out of the augmentation program and had to be re-trained and re-augmented some time after 2525
shell salmon
How where they s-2? They where there at the beginning of the war
On the planet that had been first glassed
feral perch
uh yeah, only S-IIs were around for the opening years of the war
shell salmon
halo wars takes place before Reach
craggy sierra
S2s predate the war
feral perch
^^^
soft notch
Yeah
shell salmon
15 days if I remember
feral perch
no lol
craggy sierra
They were made to fight human insurrectionists.
charred edge
Really? Didn’t know.
feral perch
20 years before Reach, Jas
shell salmon
Uh no??
craggy sierra
They got pivoted to alien war priorities after that happened
feral perch
Uh yes
shell salmon
Where are you getting your sources?
craggy sierra
This is literally all in the first Halo book ever made.
feral perch
Halo Wars is in 2531, Reach is in 2552.
shell salmon
Mine is hidden Xperia
craggy sierra
Fall of Reach
west silo
Oh boy
craggy sierra
pffffffffffft
feral perch
LOL HiddenXperia is a joke around here if you didn’t know
craggy sierra
Yeah he's kind of a meme
shell salmon
But he gets his facts right :/
feral perch
How would you know?
shell salmon
Better than Halo followetr
feral perch
That much is true
craggy sierra
Clearly not if you're saying what he said
west silo
Even the animation has them fighting innies
charred edge
Why is he a joke?
cedar surge
That's kind of a low bar there @shell salmon
charred edge
Seems like enough guy.
west silo
Iconic
shell salmon
Now then, tell me how many spartans died on reach in one day
cedar surge
I think around 40
west silo
10
soft notch
That's it
shell salmon
Let me find the video
cedar surge
Really?
soft notch
Thought it was more
feral perch
But yeah Halo Wars has an in-game chronology that you can look at. It shows you all of the major events throughout the Covenant War. Halo Wars is in 2531, and Reach is on 2552. My source is the game itself @shell salmon
west silo
Wait S2 or S3
cedar surge
Both of them at reach
shell salmon
298
soft notch
Just in general
cedar surge
I think it was around 200 for each
shell salmon
298 spartans
cedar surge
I mean 20
soft notch
Yeah that number seems more like it
west silo
Just in general
@soft notch
That wasn't at reach
fair hazel
Does something need clarifying?
soft notch
Wasn't there more
west silo
And that was beta company
cedar surge
You are thinking of a spartan 3 operation
soft notch
U right
shell salmon
The important bits at least
feral perch
You clearly don’t
soft notch
Johnson
fair hazel
I'm confused
cedar surge
Yea he is just got some things wrong
shell salmon
Trans female
cedar surge
Oh sorry
west silo
What?
feral perch
Lore and universe chat is a place where you will get corrected if you say something inaccurate
soft notch
?
fair hazel
I'm confused at what needs to be corrected.
west silo
What's going on
craggy sierra
Jaslyn was saying the spartans were only created after the war
cedar surge
Was Johnson there during the retaking of harvest?
fair hazel
... drop it stone.
shell salmon
No
charred edge
What now?
west silo
Wow
soft notch
No
feral perch
Ericky I didn’t do anything
craggy sierra
She was clarifying something stone
soft notch
Lol im lost now where were at
feral perch
What needed to be clarified?
fair hazel
Spartan-IIs were abducted for the insurection. Pre-Covenant. III's were made for the covenant. IV were made as adult volunteers post-war, well you could argue that program was going towards the end of the war
inner basin
I think I'm gonna come back later
soft notch
Haha
feral perch
good idea
fair hazel
There. What else needs clarifying?
shell salmon
The spartan 3, and fours I already know about fully
fair hazel
They're not all dead
soft notch
Yeah ik
shell salmon
RIP rookie'
fair hazel
may he rest with noble six and all the other non-characters
soft notch
RIP JOHNSON
feral perch
Yes, RIP Rookie. He shouldn’t have been executed.
shell salmon
Also, let me just say this
fair hazel
He has a character at least. Johnson that is
shell salmon
Don't screw with Oni
feral perch
He should have played a Jazz solo into the night
craggy sierra
I'll never forget his amazing quote
"..."
Brings me to tears every time
cedar surge
Around 900 3s died in the war right? Cause 300 for each company and each one was wiped out?
soft notch
He was executed?
feral perch
He was executed by an Insurrectionist
shell salmon
He was killed by an idk how to say the word
cedar surge
Yea
soft notch
Oh
west silo
Headshot
cedar surge
lost the lead
shell salmon
Which caused someone, and Buck to do the spartan program
inner basin
Around 900 3s died in the war right? Cause 300 for each company and each one was wiped out?
698 mainline company Spartan-IIIs were wiped out
shell salmon
And someone else to become an insurrectionist
feral perch
I hope Cortana destroys ONI
craggy sierra
It caused a big falling out with alpha-nine and was one of the reasons Buck went on to become a Spartan 4
soft notch
Yeah
fair hazel
No. Around 600
west silo
Mickey to betray them for some reason
inner basin
*598, my b
cedar surge
W@feral perch I think that would be a bad idea
shell salmon
Mickey's parents where insurrectionists or one of them was
soft notch
I dont know much about odst's
cedar surge
Even with as bad as ONI is
feral perch
I’d like to see a universe devoid of ONI’s meddling
cedar surge
The unsc needs it
inner basin
ONI is a necessary evil
shell salmon
There's one comic that makes me very shaky
craggy sierra
tbh I'm still hoping there's a post-Infinite universe shakeup with that stuff
west silo
Oni saved every really
cedar surge
ONI is needed for the Spartans,queling of rebellions, information gathering and shady stuff
fair hazel
You know? I wonder what would happen if, in a purely hypothethical sitaution, all spartans that ever were, were magically dropped with their weapons, in high charity. What would happen.
soft notch
One is just not to be trusted at all
feral perch
They’ve already done all that stuff