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#lore-and-universe
west silo
What about B
cedar surge
We alreadu have that
terse lava
Or titanium C++
versed helm
we discussing hardcore ways to die or something?
cedar surge
Hey guys I'm a insider on ONI and I know about the Spartan 6 program
We skipped 5 because of very horrific reasons
versed helm
what reasons?
cedar surge
so you see we took blood samples of the didact and merged them with human cells to create human-forerunner hybrids
west silo
What bout flood cells
cedar surge
and oh boy the ptomthean invasion was not fun
So our next project was similar but with us trying to use flood cells
west silo
Ahhh here we go again
cedar surge
For example we tried to do something similar to Jenkins but with Spartans in control
Remeber that colony that had to be nuked a few years ago?
Connect the dots
cedar surge
And for the Spartan 6 program we are trying this with AI
And boy I hope osiris manages to get chief home
versed helm
wait
west silo
U know for how much people say oni are incompetent they delt with the flood pretty good
stable flower
We skipped 5 because of very horrific reasons
@cedar surge I can guess 10 of those reasons
versed helm
ik, ik
one thing they could've tried, though
was to hack into the wavelength that was used by the flood to communicate
west silo
Heh the flood use pheromones in the early stages
Apparently from the book the flood
Don't ask
versed helm
what, they spray each other with pheromones?
west silo
I said dont ask
orchid prism
Oooh
versed helm
so, if two flood forms want to talk, they end up taking a bath in each other's pheromones?
stable flower
So Hood's a part of the UNSC?
@gilded mason Hood's the leader of the UNSC
west silo
It was made by the sa> Oooh
@orchid prism
Long time no see bud
orchid prism
@west silo heyo
west silo
Man U disappeared
orchid prism
I was there actually lol
stable flower
Flood in Halo 3 were gross
versed helm
flood is gross in general
orchid prism
Gross is flood in general
west silo
Ya the book was made by the same guy who wrote a mass effect book so bad he apologized by making it non canon
west silo
Mass effect deception
versed helm
mass deception
stable flower
Why did they even call it The Flood if it's not just centered on the Flood but is a novelization of CE?
west silo
Halo the flood is pretty good well every part that doesn't have chief because it destroys his character
gilded mason
@gilded mason Hood's the leader of the UNSC
@stable flower
Was making a joke, my dude.
cedar surge
Mass effect has books?
fringe robin
4 books IIRC
west silo
One non canon
versed helm
i havent read the mass effect books yet. should i?
versed helm
holy heck. i just realized that the typhon from the game prey are quite similar to the flood
versed helm
i didnt say exactly the same
but similar
the same kind of adaptivity
uses bodies to multiply
west silo
I'd say the thing is closer
versed helm
what thing?
terse lava
That was a good movie
stable flower
They need to explore the Covenant fringe species more
west silo
That was a good movie
@terse lava
The remake unfortunately not
gilded mason
Though first retcon the Yonhet design
terse lava
Yes to both
cedar surge
Qwerty
west silo
Hmmm?
cedar surge
How much stronger are hunters compared to brutes
rose vault
hunters are big worms in armour that cant be penetrated and brutes are monkes with gun
soo
they veru strong
west silo
How much stronger are hunters compared to brutes
@cedar surge
A hunter can send a warthog flying by slamming the ground
While a brute requires a gravity hammer to do the same feat
versed helm
hunters are insanely adaptive
Hunters would be unstoppable if they were in Infinite because their biggest weakness isn't gonna be in the game (at launch at least)
west silo
The rocket launcher will have to do then
terse lava
Let's put it this way, the Covenant didnt win any known battles against the lekgolo, when they(the lekgolo) lacked the weapons and armor we are familiar with. The jiralhanae meanwhile, with early 20th century tech were subdued quite easily
versed helm
the leke golo could very easily take over human vehicles. if they can control scarabs, they can do whatever
west silo
Let's put it this way, the Covenant didnt win any known battles against the lekgolo, when they(the lekgolo) lacked the weapons and armor we are familiar with. The jiralhanae meanwhile, with early 20th century tech were subdued quite easily
@terse lava
Well to be fair they had to bring the fight to the ground and nightfall makes it clear u don't want that
terse lava
They had to do the same for the jiralhanae
west silo
They had to do the same for the jiralhanae
@terse lava
Well the brutes planet wasn't an asteroid belt
Making it harder for them to use ships
terse lava
Neither was the lekgolo fully, they had Ratnu
west silo
Plus imagine trying to walk on a giant asteroid planet while avoiding meteors
Neither was the lekgolo fully, they had Ratnu
@terse lava
The arbiter?
terse lava
No, but they did colonize it
The Arbiter of the time spent a full year there studying the worms, apparently meeting the mgalekgolo for the first time as well
west silo
Really cause it looked pretty eaten to me in the terminal
Isn't that the entire reason they killed an entire part of the hunters species
terse lava
Some lekgolo ate forerunner material, that had once been an installation around Te
That's the origin of the rings
Ratnu was just a moon
west silo
Ohhhh the orbital
I thought it was the planet
terse lava
Nope
Those that ate forerunner material were wiped out by the Covenant, the rest brought into the fold
cedar surge
Why does the terminal lekgolo and in game lekgolo look different
west silo
No armor
cedar surge
The ones we see in the games are bright orange
The ones in the terminal are grey
And big
west silo
Hunters are big
heady void
im big
west silo
Like brutes are commonly from 8 to 9 metres
west silo
Space whales are the biggest
lethal comet
They can break tanks with their bare hands
west silo
Man we wish could have seen some of the wild life on the Ark from HITD
terse lava
Also none of them were grey
lethal comet
I'd expect wildlife to be from the ecosystem of catalogued species
west silo
Like the creature that was like a mix between a bunny and a t rex
cedar surge
Well what new sentient race has 343 made?
Oh right yap yap
He is the Spartan of the grunts
The true deserver of the mantle
The one who shall lead the grunts
lethal comet
He is called YapYap the destroyer for a reason
carmine sleet
Well what new sentient race has 343 made?
Oh right yap yap
YapYap is just a Grunt, he isn't a separate species
He is the Spartan of the grunts
Pretty sure he's a normal Grunt, nothing indicates he was augmented
lethal comet
YapYap is the chips dubbo of grunts
versed helm
yapyap is the prophet of grunts
cedar surge
Yap yap is the forerunner of grunts
wispy bough
Finally getting around to catching up on what I've missed.
Amazon didn't have paperback Broken Circle and Shadow of Intent in-stock so still need to find those.
carmine sleet
Shadow of Intent is part of Halo Fractures so you could just get Fractures instead of buying Shadow of Intent seperately
main siren
^
wispy bough
yo what
sec LOL
omg yes ty
didn't realise that it was that short of a book that it would fit in Fractures
let sgoooo
versed helm
nice
cedar surge
We should give hunters more armor along with making it power armor to make tjem even better soldiers
cedar surge
Anybody else keep forgetting drones are a thing?
inner basin
Yeah because they haven’t been in a Halo game since Halo Reach I believe. I haven’t played Wars 2
inner basin
^ Recently replayed that and I remembered instantly why I hated it
humble yacht
No drones in reach
inner basin
We should give hunters more armor along with making it power armor to make tjem even better soldiers
Power armour? No. More armour for protection? Yes, absolutely
No drones in reach
Yeah they were
In PoA after Carter’s death
inner basin
Still there though
carmine sleet
Yeah because they haven’t been in a Halo game since Halo Reach I believe. I haven’t played Wars 2
There weren't any drones in Halo Wars 2. Could've made for a unique leader for the game though
inner basin
I also forgot about New Alexandria. At one of the jammer locations with the “suicide Army soldier”
Unless he’s supposed to be a Marine, but he’s wearing an Army BDU
unique rune
I completely forgot they were in that objective
Probably because I always just start immediately running for the elevator after setting the jammer off
inner basin
I almost forgot it myself and I played the Reach campaign recently
carmine sleet
Aye, it wasn't a well thought out encounter
Almost as if they didn't care too much about making it interesting
Like, imagine if instead of drones, it was stealth Elites or something like that
inner basin
Spec Ops Elites would’ve made for a sick encounter with Drones flying in on your flank
carmine sleet
Heck, maybe even have it where the Elites are stalking about as you enter, so if you're smart and know where they are, you can take them out before you get rushed by them when you take out the jammer
inner basin
I think that’s too much to ask from Bungie at that point as they were sick of making Halo games over and over
I think that’s why Halo Reach kinda suffered before 343 took over the mantle of Halo responsibility
It really is a shame too because Spartan-IIIs had so much potential prior to Reach (and even though it didn’t show them off fully) I still regard Reach highly.
cedar surge
Drones are kinda of a forgettable alien
I don't think they have a character in their entire race
Plus they never really got that much focus
inner basin
Drones are kinda of a forgettable alien
I think underrepresentation would do that
cedar surge
Yea I barely remember the drones when talking about the covenant
And most depictions of the war doesn't even show drones
inner basin
It just sucks though because Drones are kinda like Grunts in terms of their strength so why not pair the two up? One is a ground force and the other is an aerial force
It could really make encounters more interesting as you don’t just have to shoot enemies at your level or smaller than you. You have to look up sometimes too. That’s probably one of the very few reasons I like the Promethean Watchers (in 4). They’re a bit better in 5 (imo)
cedar surge
Yea a combined grunt and drone swarm would be cool
Seems like a missed opportunity for the wars series
Do the covenant have any more species? Could have sworn I heard they had a few more
inner basin
Well there’s a collective term for those that aren’t as common as Brutes, Elites, Grunts etc and they’re known as the Covenant Fringe
Actually they were never fully integrated in the Covenant Empire after a quick Google search
lethal comet
Do the covenant have any more species? Could have sworn I heard they had a few more
There were the yonhet
inner basin
Yeah they’re apart of the Fringe
lethal comet
And the prophets had a hive of sharquoi that were kept a secret from the rest of the covenant
They wanted to deploy sharquoi during the battle of Earth but never got the chance to due to the schism
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I wonder what happened to those Sharquoi
Probably forever dormant considering all of the High Prophets are dead and I believe they were the only ones who knew about them
lethal comet
Well that maybe the last hive then
All others have been destroyed
And I doubt that the prophets could have controlled them
cedar surge
Sharqoi?
lethal comet
sharquoi
cedar surge
Is that the name for drones?
lethal comet
these
Big hulking beasts
And I doubt that the prophets could have controlled them
Since they didnt have the vertex
And Hekabe found it on the ark
inner basin
Is there not multiple?
There wouldn’t just be one considering how many hive nests of Sharquoi there are
Never mind. As I was reading that Halopedia page it said a single individual can control them en masse, so I’d assume there is only one vertex
cedar surge
Hey I think those guys were in rise of atriox
inner basin
What Hekabe and his clan or the Sharquoi?
cedar surge
The sharquoi
lethal comet
no they werent
cedar surge
I think a skirmishes was trying to enslave them before Atriox stopped her
Oh wait
Was that the drones?
lethal comet
There are only two references and only one appearance of sharquoi in entire halo canon
Halo envoy and the halo 2 collectors edition booklet
inner basin
Keep in mind that the appearance of Sharquoi isn’t the biggest appearance either. It was substantially brief in terms of the amount of times they appeared in the book
lethal comet
Its shocking to see how much forerunners experimented on armies against the flood
The sharquoi
the thanolekgolo
the composed prometheans
And still failed
inner basin
They weren’t very ethical tbh but people always criticise Halsey first in that non-ethical department
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You see if the humans had just explained to the Forerunners what was going on instead of just invading violently there’s a chance things could’ve been different. I mean I understand why they didn’t, but it’s a shame they didn’t try to come to some sort of an agreement. It kinda mirrors how the modern day Humans and Elites came to an agreement to defeat the common enemy, and they found well a peace first and then an alliance thereafter
lethal comet
That wouldnt have made a difference
Humans never really had a cure for the flood
And flood was bound to return anyway
Forerunners were too arrogant to see some puny 'parasite' as a threat to their civilisation
inner basin
Oh yeah, I know humans didn’t have a cure, it was a ploy by the Flood, but the Forerunners were weakened by the humans attack
lethal comet
Forerunners were too arrogant to see some puny 'parasite' as a threat to their civilisation
They would have lost even if they werent weakened due to this reason
inner basin
Well that’s where the humans come in to convince them otherwise
Show footage of what has happened to their civilisation
lethal comet
Do you think the didact or faber would let that happen
They knew that humans were fighting the flood
They just didnt believe them
inner basin
I think the humans would be allowed to plead with them or present a case of what has happened to them. They show footage of how they were being flooded and how their own forces being infected and turned against them.
lethal comet
Didact thought that the evidence was forged
That there was no parasite
just human making excuses for expansion
inner basin
That was in light of what the humans had done. I’m saying that the humans never attacked Forerunner space
They went to them for help instead in this instance
Have you even been listening this whole time?
lethal comet
We both know that no two species in halo universe are buddy buddy with each other
inner basin
I’m not saying they are buddy buddy. Like I said, they plead with them to team up and battle a common enemy
lethal comet
And like I said, too arrogant to recognise a parasite as an enemy
inner basin
And then this is where the non-forged evidence comes in. The Forerunners would more likely believe the humans considering they aren’t trying to expand but just run away (as they didn’t attack them)
inner basin
Yeah but the Floods plan was for the humans to flee, but instead of being peaceful they were so scared that they attacked the Forerunners space and so the Forerunners were weakened by humanity’s forces. What if the Flood’s plan failed because humanity saw through it
lethal comet
Humanity and forerunners were not exactly friendly due to the mantle thing
round comet
okay uh can someone give me a quick summary of the discussion so far or just tell me the question at hand.
lethal comet
okay uh can someone give me a quick summary of the discussion so far or just tell me the question at hand.
Could the forerunner flood war have been avoided
And humanity not devolving
inner basin
okay uh can someone give me a quick summary of the discussion so far or just tell me the question at hand.
Basically what if humanity didn’t attack the Forerunners but instead plea with them to face down a common enemy. Essentially team up the way the Elites and Humanity did to finish off the Covenant (except obviously different circumstances considering how much more of a threat the Flood is to the Human-Forerunner force compared to how much of a threat the Covenant was to the Sanghelli-Human force)
lethal comet
Thinking of it, What were the Elites like before the halo array fired
Since there was no forerunner 'god' or temple
inner basin
Likely still on their own planet (or planets) just chilling out or something
lethal comet
In halo legends origins they look like a tier 7 but I dont trust halo legends for canon stuff
Like romans
inner basin
I don’t think they would be that bad. Maybe somewhere like how we are in real life
lethal comet
And brutes were still tier 7 which was expected
inner basin
They just keep killing each other. They basically are devolving themselves because they are constantly infighting or at least aren’t ever evolving
lethal comet
Same stuff happened to unggoy
Came up to industrial age then started fighting over resources
inner basin
Poor Unggoy never have a strong civilisation. Pre-Halo array firing the above happened and post-Halo array firing their civilisation collapsed due to unfortunate circumstances
lethal comet
Came up to industrial age then started fighting over resources
This was post array pre covenant @inner basin
inner basin
Oh. I thought we were still talking pre array firing. You just radically changed the subject
round comet
Could the forerunner flood war have been avoided
Basically what if humanity didn’t attack the Forerunners but instead plea with them to face down a common enemy. Essentially team up the way the Elites and Humanity did to finish off the Covenant (except obviously different circumstances considering how much more of a threat the Flood is to the Human-Forerunner force compared to how much of a threat the Covenant was to the Sanghelli-Human force)
GREAT question.
i think, IF forerunners had understood humanity's motives and both had co-operated, then i can say that theycould have allied against the common threat (and maybe win but likely not).
lethal comet
I wouldnt expect many species' to be much different pre firing except less advanced since there were no forerunner cheat sheets
Was there a guardian at balaho?
inner basin
Hmm, it’s possible but maybe their worlds would look different and be filled with rich materials considering there wasn’t a civilisation living there before them (that was then just wiped off the face of the Universe)
cedar surge
I f the forerunners were proactive
inner basin
I think these are things that 343 CAN explore whenever. They just go by a) what they want to develop or b) demand. Something I’ve wanted them to delve into forever is the Spartan-III program and Headhunters
cedar surge
The forerunners controlled the galaxy right
inner basin
Well they didn’t control the Galaxy (unless this is post-human devolution)
cedar surge
Then how come in halo origins we see covenant and human races get halo rings at their locations
Shouldn't have they been assimilated before the foreign of the rings
lethal comet
The forerunners controlled the whole galaxy for about a few thousand years
cedar surge
Yea
lethal comet
nothing compared to their ecumene of 10 million
inner basin
Okay so it is post-human devolution then. Right, that’s why I put it in brackets. Prior to humans being devolved the Forerunners shared control of the Galaxy with Humans, did they not?
versed helm
but then they messed up
round comet
GREAT question.
i think, IF forerunners had understood humanity's motives and both had co-operated, then i can say that theycould have allied against the common threat (and maybe win but likely not).
now, when i say this im taking the extremely low chances of forerunners doing that into account. But its very likely that this wont ever have happened because forerunners are arrogant fools and hypocrites, regardless of how advanced they are.
cedar surge
Do prometheans ever truly die?
versed helm
well, they are outside the domain when they get rekt
and i dont think they remain connected to it once they form
so, yeah
i guess they do
cedar surge
So to free every person who became a prometheans you have to kill em all
Guess the age old plan of the havoc nuke is gonna have to be used again
Did the unsc create a nuke stronger than the Shiva post war?
versed helm
le nova
cedar surge
Does the unsc use skyhooks?
lethal comet
They already have orbital elevators
clever dagger
I hope 343 knows what they’re doing. Guilty Spark coming back seems like a very sus decision to me
round comet
guilty spark is put there following his own arc which is disconnected from the rest of the narratives
lethal comet
The Ace of Spades's crew is his family now
cedar surge
Are they the millennium falcon of halo
With a likable cast and a iconic ship?
And a robot
carmine sleet
Spark coming back doesn't mean he'll be in the games any time soon
cedar surge
Spark becomes a forerunner and beats up the created. I know this because I looked at a 4chan page of a infinite leak
inner basin
Spark coming back doesn't mean he'll be in the games any time soon
I personally don’t want him to appear again because there’ll need to be tons of exposition to explain his current situation so those not into the lore are caught up, and it won’t be a good experience for anyone
cedar surge
Yea it would be like cortana reviving
You have to go into tthe EU to find out how they came back
inner basin
It’s exactly like that
Some people still don’t know how we got from Halo 4 to Halo 5 because they don’t want to go into the EU
lethal comet
And I don't think Chief would be fond of spark given their history
inner basin
Definitely not. Especially given Spark’s new appearance too. Makes him more of a threat to Chief (at least to Chief upon looking at him)
humble yacht
there's not really anything in the EU that bridges the gap between H4 and H5
even if you skip Escalation, H5 doesn't really continue any plot threads started from SpOps
inner basin
Well from Spartan Ops (which is part of Halo 4’s narrative)
past olive
I wonder what the Spartan V program is gonna be like
I was wondering if one existed and apparently it does, even if it's just by mention
humble yacht
nope
past olive
but according to this wiki page (which may or may not be accurate) it isn't established until 2568
humble yacht
i doubt they would name a new generation of spartans something different
uh, sounds inaccurate
versed helm
they'd just be S-Vs
humble yacht
S-IIIs had a new designation because Ackerson wanted to differentiate his spartans from halsey's
S-IVs had a new designation because the new spartans were ethically sourced
past olive
it's a small page with not much info but apparently a Dr Vincent Kalser founded the Spartan V program in hopes of creating adult Spartans who were easily on par with the S-II's
humble yacht
link
versed helm
isnt that the S-IVs? adult spartans?
past olive
there's no source to what info it uses or anything so idk might just be fiction https://halofanon.fandom.com/wiki/SPARTAN-V_Program
isnt that the S-IVs? adult spartans?
yes
humble yacht
fanons aren't canon
past olive
thought I was on Halopedia
humble yacht
nope
past olive
welp
humble yacht
rip you
past olive
I dun goofed
versed helm
you done goofed real goodly, my man
humble yacht
you hyucked for the last time
past olive
I do think an S-V program should exist though
versed helm
they are adding fire team upon fire team. thats as S-V as it gets
past olive
I'd imagine the S-V's would have Promethean augmentation since it's new technology that ONI and the UNSC would likely want to dabble with somehow
inner basin
S-V seems really unnecessary unless they can differentiate from S-IVs, which I don’t see happening at all for at least a long time
humble yacht
the prototype spartan IVs already covered that theoretical ground of adult volunteers having as much strength (or more) than spartan IIs
but it didn't pan out
lethal comet
Maybe easier mass production
humble yacht
production wasn't the issue with the prototype IVs
lethal comet
And removing the need for tune ups
versed helm
define promethean augmentations
past olive
yeah I get that the S-IV program already achieves what the UNSC wants which is why I'd imagine the possible S-V program works on more experimental items with S-IV volunteers
define promethean augmentations
I guess anything from promethean hybrid armour to direct biological alteration, maybe even composed
I would not imagine these would be playable characters, not in a mainline game at least
versed helm
so you basically want hardlight armour
inner basin
I mean Hardlight armour by itself isn’t even that good if that’s what you are meaning
It would be terribly inefficient
humble yacht
first you'd have to figure out how it works
carmine sleet
If anyone's getting promethean augments, it'd more likely be former Covenant trying to gain an edge over Spartans in combat
past olive
Hmmm
inner basin
Besides your term of Promethean augmentations would be some form of biological change to the user, not an armour change
And I think that’s nowhere near possible for the UNSC. Give it maybe a 100 years and then it’d be more feasible
versed helm
and prometheans arent actually biological
so what kind of biological changes would you augment into the S-Vs?
versed helm
the prometheans dont have any tissue to regen, per say. its all hardlight and recomposed materials
lethal comet
so what kind of biological changes would you augment into the S-Vs?
@versed helm I replied to this
versed helm
ahh
aighty then
Ability to be interesting. 
they gave all of that to the IIs and IIIs
I disagree but meh.
i mean, Palmer got some of that, though
lethal comet
Spartan IVs dont have that cool factor that IIs and IIIs had
Except Buck
Buck is life
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I liked Fireteam Crimson for the same reason that people like the Rookie and Noble 6
west silo
Rookie isn't that much of a character
clever dagger
i remember when i got real mad when he got killed off but i'm over it now
humble yacht
rookie was the most extreme version of "blank slate" halo has had as a player character
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Wouldn’t that be Fireteam Crimson because you don’t even see them in cutscenes
west silo
Noble six was worse
clever dagger
since alpha nine is back together they could just add another random person and nobody would notice
inner basin
Noble six was worse
How? Noble Six speaks and is confirmed a male in canon
clever dagger
at least six had a quip here and there
inner basin
I think Fireteam Crimson is the most blank slate of all the characters in Halo. They don’t have confirmed genders or names, just armour sets
west silo
Six was just almost literally carbon copy of john
lethal comet
No
inner basin
Eh, kinda, but also not really
humble yacht
Yea i guess Crimson is the most literal example of "blank slate" halo has had
orchid prism
You know i never got to know those dead spartans in lone wolf, who were they?
clever dagger
i'm sure those dead spartans were six hallucinating
west silo
I think rhere red team
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Unknown. They’re presumed Spartan-IIIs possibly part of Gauntlet, Red or Echo Teams
west silo
Its from a datapad in reach
versed helm
rookie's not that great of a character
You're correct, he is better as a glove for the player to wear.
west silo
Spartan 3 red team
clever dagger
you know, i wonder if alpha nine will make an appearance in audible media again
inner basin
I didn’t think a datapad mentioned Spartan-III Red Team
I thought their only reference was from Jun
versed helm
They could even be featured in Infinite, whether it be their presence or corpses, lol.
clever dagger
at least dutch
orchid prism
@inner basin ted? Not red?
versed helm
Dutch is my favourite out of Alpha Nine.
orchid prism
Oh sorry typo
inner basin
@inner basin ted? Not red?
It was a typo man. You know what I meant
clever dagger
they might just recast his VA 
orchid prism
Yeah lol
west silo
I didn’t think a datapad mentioned Spartan-III Ted Team
@inner basin
Yep a Spartan team called red team sacrifice them selves so some marines can get away
versed helm
Why?
they might just recast his VA
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@inner basin
Yep a Spartan team called red team sacrifice them selves so some marines can get away
I thought that was on Tribute, and that team didn’t have a designation
clever dagger
i know he was green lantern in the first injustice and he got recasted in the sequel by steve blum
i might just be overthinking things though
versed helm
Dutch's voice actor did?
clever dagger
yeah
west silo
A bunch of wraiths were coming and they had no anti tank weapons
inner basin
Then that was S-II Beta Red
west silo
Then that was S-II Red Team
@inner basin
Nope
inner basin
Do you have a link to the source, or have at least fact checked
versed helm
We'll have to wait and see.
west silo
I would have to search through the datapads will be back
inner basin
Here’s a link to the Halopedia page on the S-III Red Team. There’s no source mentioning a data pad - https://www.halopedia.org/Red_Team_(SPARTAN-III)
Nor anything about them dying/holding off Wraiths either
I know this cause not only did I check the page just now, but I’ve read it through and through as I’m a big S-III fan
I think you are mixing up Beta Red with the Spartan-III Red Team. We know they fought off a whole Covenant armour column before someone called in a fire mission on top of them (which was part of the audio conversations in Reach)
west silo
Then it must have been that red I was thinking about
inner basin
As for the evacuation thing you mentioned earlier, there was a Spartan-III Team on Tribute that held off oncoming Covenant forces to allow for a Pelican with civilians and possibly Marines to evac from the capital. The team were KIA and later (well after the war had ended) were honoured in a war game simulation that S-IVs took part in
Sorry for overloading you with info, but like I said, I am a big fan of S-III lore and know a great deal about them
I still wonder if Owen was calling a bluff in Battle Born when he said he was separated from his team or he was genuinely being honest. I mean it makes sense that he was honest considering he was wounded when we first see of him. Speaking of his team, I wonder if they are also S-IIIs or are they just regular troops such as ODSTs maybe?
west silo
No problem the extra lore is appreciated
stable flower
About the Covenant fringe species, I doubt we'll be learning more about them.
People in the community don't like seeing change. I saw one person on Waypoint call the Yonhet "Star Trek aliens", and another say "They don't belong in Halo".
gilded mason
To be fair, their design is really awful.
I imagine they'd have a better reception if they didn't look like...that
west silo
True
nimble crest
They don’t look like they’d blend in with a covenant night club in high charity
inner basin
They do look a little... odd for being one of Halo’s alien species
nimble crest
Can’t see a yonhet vibing with some sangelli listening to covenant dance
inner basin
Can’t see a yonhet vibing with some sangelli listening to covenant dance
I think you mean Covenant Prayers
west silo
Covenant Gospel
nimble crest
Listening to ashes
inner basin
Covenant Gospel
Covenant Prayers is literally part of Halo 5’s OST btw - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PzCWEn86VXY. I wasn’t making a reference to their religious devotion
fair hazel
I like covenant prayers
gilded mason
What was that, Erick
fair hazel
Sorry my keyboard switched languages on its own
inner basin
What did I miss?
fair hazel
Keyboard switching to arabic on accident.
inner basin
Oh. That’s always fun
versed helm
cedar surge
Does the unsc use one type of engine for their space craft?
inner basin
No. They have several types of engines
They’re also known as Fusion Drives
@cedar surge Here’s the Halopedia page on them if you’re interested in the different types as I’m sure as hell not typing each of them out - https://www.halopedia.org/Fusion_drive
cedar surge
That's a lot more than I was expecting
inner basin
I mean the UNSC has been around since 2163 so it’s not too far fetched to think that they do have a number of Fusion Drives. I mean ofc there were likely some other forms of engines prior to the making of Fusion Drives, but if there were, we don’t know anything about them, well at least I couldn’t find anything
west silo
Is it still canon that the UNSC still use Quantum fields ?
cedar surge
Isn't anything that gas quantum in its name technobable?
west silo
Halo isn't exactly hard
cedar surge
So if Cole was still alive would his cruiser still be usable?
A valiant class would be useful for fighting the created
Plus it was still able to make that slipspace jump
west silo
It wouldn't really help at all other than being a transport for civilians
warm ridge
@cedar surge what about cole and quantum fields applies here?
cedar surge
Its a different question
@west silo tHough isn't valiant classes the heaviest of all cruisers?
somber tiger
So quick question, how come Jorge was a Spartan 2 yet Miranda wasn’t? I’m sure they were biological siblings or at least half siblings assuming Miranda’s mother was Halsey
gilded mason
Jorge wasn't Halsey's son, so...
somber tiger
He wasn’t? He does call her mom
gilded mason
He said "ma'am"
somber tiger
Oh, I could’ve sworn he said mom
gilded mason
Nope-o
carmine sleet
His accent sounds like he's saying "mom" to some people, which I don't get because he clearly says "ma'am"
alpine mantle
i wanna join and start a duo fireteam
gilded mason
Never leave home without 'em.
alpine mantle
i want to join
cedar surge
Plus halsey would be horrible to turn her daughter or any child of hers into a Spartan
alpine mantle
recruit me
gilded mason
Wrong chat for that, Furry.
cedar surge
You know that sounded like a insult till I looked at the name
gilded mason
lol
alpine mantle
what chat then
gilded mason
It'd be pretty hypocritical for me to use it as an insult lol
What game are you trying to join in. MCC?
alpine mantle
halo 5
gilded mason
Then either go to one of the #lfg chats, or the #471767281072865300 chat.
cedar surge
Do prometheans have any strongholds or planets under their control? Not the ones under the created. Before the uprising
Or were they all just at reqieum
gilded mason
Can't recall anything about that aspect other than Requiem, yeah
plain sierra
do u think let volir will turn on atriox because he lost a lot of his men on the enduring conviction
gilded mason
My gut says "maybe".
cedar surge
Plus Atriox gave volir a purpose
Now that the banished can produce weapons and armor,brute ships when?
upper iris
When Infinite releases
versed helm
Hey so who else thought that buck should have beaten Mickey's head in with his fists
gilded mason
Nah
inner basin
He wasn’t? He does call her mom
I know I’m a bit late with this one but British people also address their Mothers as “Mum”. I know this because I myself am British. So if you wanted further proof that Jorge said Ma’am (even though the subtitles confirms this), then here you go. Just as a note (as I have a feeling if I don’t address it, I’m gonna get called out on it), I’m not saying the character Jorge is British, but his voice actor is/sounds it. A lore explanation could be that Jorge has British ancestors or grew up in an area with British ancestry
humble yacht
Oh god another person thought Jorge called her “mom”?
feral perch
Jorge is of Hungarian descent, Beast.
humble yacht
You didn’t read the whole post, I see
feral perch
he still says “a lore explanation could be” when in fact it could not
humble yacht
I do wonder how infinity stayed hidden from her for so long despite having forerunner engines
gilded mason
I have a feeling that will never be answered.
humble yacht
And after she found it once, how would it be able to hide again
terse lava
Neural
gilded mason
Biology
plain sierra
wasn’t the infinity by earth when cortana found it
cedar surge
Hmmm now where could the most powerful warship,one of humanities only advantages over covenant remnants right now while the repairing of the capital could be
Still the whole slap forerunners engines onto the infinity seemed stupid to me
fringe robin
IIRC Chimera, the UNSC Infinity was built radically different and contains 3/4in plot armor.
cedar surge
Yea it is the most plot armored ship in halo
The unsc must have traded with the rebel alliance at some point
fair hazel
Except all the times it's been damaged and put in danger?
terse lava
"Danger"
gilded mason
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Danger""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
terse lava
Everyone knows it wasnt in danger
west silo
The thing nearly gets destroyed on a daily basis
gilded mason
Yet always escapes
fair hazel
Needing a lot of repairs... hole punched through... boarded multiple times. Lots of people die during these events.
west silo
The mantles approach, Spartan ops, the traitor thing
fair hazel
Mantle's approach it wasn't in immiedate danger there
gilded mason
Lots of people die during these events.
Nobody of note
And then the Infinity is back up to tip-top shape the next time we see it.
fair hazel
Poor Bradley!
west silo
By cannibalizing its sister yes
fair hazel
Time tends to pass between the events..
gilded mason
That doesn't exactly dispute what I said
terse lava
The Infinity is a Saturdsy morning cartoon in ship form
"I'll get you next time Didact/Jul, Cortana"
west silo
Didn't the pilliar of autumn take down like 5 covenant ships in CE somehow
terse lava
The covenant at alpha halo were the heros all along
west silo
Why
terse lava
Could have ended Cortana then and there
terse lava
The universe? Really?
craggy sierra
Between the ring and the flood, kinda
They could’ve ended a lot of things with the events of that game alone
fair hazel
you mean the galaxy?
west silo
The halo universe
terse lava
Well we know the Covenant had some type of flood protocols as thel issued an "Alpha Quarantine" for the fleet on realizing the flood were there
west silo
And zealots were the ones used to take care of flood outbreaks
terse lava
On reading that passage again, it appears to hint more that zealots in particular were used to combat forerunner machines that have been reactivated, but are tainted by logic plague
west silo
Is that the temple wraith discription
Could have sworn it mentioned zealots fighting the flood
terse lava
the distant past, Zealots alone had the terrible responsibility of destroying parasite-tainted Forerunner gifts that ran amok after activation. Masterwork Wraith with hardened armor, improving handling, and a faster rate-of-fire for the plasma mortar."
west silo
Sounds like forerunner ruins or structures with the flood in them
deft pulsar
Question, can flood only infect creatures with a nervous system?
terse lava
They can infect anything organic, but a nervous system is required for controlling an organic being. Anything lackingnthay is broken down into biomass
west silo
Nope its just more easier
deft pulsar
I see
west silo
Like hunters
deft pulsar
Wait... are the only remaining flood on the ark and zeta halo?
gilded mason
Might not be on Zeta. Though S4 teams have been known to destroy Flood elsewhere.
deft pulsar
Oki
cedar surge
It doesn't matter if the infinity nearly gets destroyed. We know its in no danger. That is plot armor. No matter how damaged it gets it will survive
deft pulsar
Say that to the spirit of fire
terse lava
Its still not as bad as infinity gets
deft pulsar
So the mark 1 exoskeleton prototype, was it used for research for the cyclops project?
And the mantis project?
west silo
The cyclops came before it and the mantis is one of the only designs that survived
west silo
The normal one serina just removed the tools and added a weapon
west silo
Bunny?
UNSC oe banished
deft pulsar
Unsc
west silo
Then its either the colossus or the mantis
deft pulsar
Ok
craggy sierra
Tbh I don’t mind the Infinity. It’s kinda just what gets used to ferry the plot around the galaxy to different places so I don’t have any real grudges against it there.
Kinda be like saying the Enterprise from star trek sure seems to pull through a bunch of stuff when that’s not really the point of the show
It’s a useful tool to have narratively when you want the plot to not be kept in one area and the games began building up characters around the crew to be developed over time.
cedar surge
Yea but then most of the plot seems to surround the infinity
Also I don't think halo had much of a problem of staying in one place for too long
limpid kernel
Did everyone from halo 1 get a memorial
versed helm
yo
fringe robin
#thoughtsandprayers
versed helm
i guess the memoral from h3 was for all of em
lethal comet
H3 memorial was for those lost on the ark and other important people throughout the war
versed helm
yea
cedar surge
So using the neural implants would the unsc know everybody who died?
craggy sierra
Maybe?
It probably makes keeping track of numbers easier but I don’t see those having full proof connection.
Also totally unrelated but I don’t know how I fee about army recruitment requiring brain surgery in Halo.
flat swift
It's for the DNI I think
versed helm
✍️
frank copper
Who is the CEO of Oni
gilded mason
Me
lethal comet
Me
Hinge heads cant do that
gilded mason
Though the commander in chief is Serin Osman
sleek star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3no1uBSGEE Halo Infinite - What is the deadly HARBINGER? + Mendicant Bias seen in trailer? Theories and News!
gilded mason
Hinge heads cant do that```
*Watch me*Is Serin Osman a Spartan I
gilded mason
2
gilded mason
🦑
gilded mason
Only mention of robes for Sangheili were in regards to monks and priests
Otherwise, we have visuals and descriptions of tunics and leggings.
And shawls.
gilded mason
And while it's possibly not civilian-related, shipboard Sangheili wear tabards denoting rank when they're not wearing armor.
Are there any pictures?```
One moment@craggy sierra what's wrong with brain surgery?
lethal comet
The only out of armor elites on halopedia are naked elites
gilded mason
That's from Escalation.
And if you wanna see it, here's an interpretation I drew based on that and the written descriptions:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPyxB4nUUAIDDVX?format=jpg&name=orig
limpid kernel
That's some real good art
gilded mason
Thank ya
orchid prism
Ngl, it looks great Ostral
gilded mason
👍
orchid prism
Oni?
cedar surge
Either chief or halsey
dense pulsar
I could see that
versed helm
the forerunners also considered humans as enemies,
i mean, the didact still does
what isnt god, must be the devil, i guess?
craggy sierra
Forerunners kinda considered most things enemies.
versed helm
heck they considered teach other enemies after some time
faber and didact
such good buddies
versed helm
where he at right now, though? i think he died
west silo
Faberoli
cedar surge
I have a great idea
Why don't we give marines the gen 1? The first incarnation of MJLNIOR that required to be near a generator to work and give it to marines
To defend stuff
I'm sure nothing can go wrong
Plus generators can supply energy to ODP all the way up in space
cedar surge
Does older gens of the Spartan suits get used?
dense pulsar
Does Spartan armor cause normal people to die because the material its made of is so reactive that it breaks their bones and rips muscle?
gilded mason
Ye
versed helm
that it does
dense pulsar
Is that all iterations of MJLNIOR armor?
versed helm
its an armor in a constant state of trigger
dense pulsar
I don't think you need to be a spartan for SPC or whatever its called
versed helm
@dense pulsar it mostly has to do with how fast it accelerated your body
Similar to not synergising quick and fast twitch fibres when exercising, and you go straight to heavy weights or run too fast without a warmup and your muscles break
Except in this case it’s a more extreme example of that function
versed helm
Are there any rouge spartan 2
carmine sleet
Rouge as in the colour red? Daisy wore red armour
versed helm
from halo legends, right?
she ran away to her house
but saw the clone halsey had put in
and then we flash ahead to see her getting needled
lethal comet
Why don't we give marines the gen 1? The first incarnation of MJLNIOR that required to be near a generator to work and give it to marines
Thats the origin of cyclops and mantis
versed helm
How did the Covenant races measure time?
round snow
units
i think
i rember in the flood an elite saying something like "15 units"
thats what they called them i think
versed helm
What units did they use for age?
versed helm
Also makes me wonder if they celebrate birthdays.
lethal comet
Unit is comparable to one hour
265 units make a cycle
Cycle is the equivalent of a day for teh covenant
And the solar cycle is the equivalent of a 'year'
And then major events spanning decades are ages
The time is based around the artificial day/night cycle in High Charity
versed helm
Their equivalent of a day is 265 hours?!
terse lava
I wouldnt say ages equal decades, just thr current major event
nimble crest
They get that measurement for 11 days because that’s how long a day is on high charity
lethal comet
High charity never sleeps
limpid kernel
I know that grunts sleep all the time
cedar surge
Does high charity ha've a high population density?
lethal comet
Imagine new york,Tokyo and vatican rolled into one
fringe robin
estimated 7.7billion IIRC
craggy sierra
It kinda looked like it was only the size of NY or something
nimble crest
They had a city specifically for grunts because they breathed methane
lethal comet
It kinda looked like it was only the size of NY or something
Its a whole chunk out of a planet
versed helm
and NY aint as big as a planet, contrary to popular (american) belief
and thats just one city
there's also the unyielding heirophant
fleet sedge
I did some math I think you guys will appreciate https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/igcpgn/lets_take_a_moment_to_appreciate_the_amount_of/
versed helm
no wonder the laser is so OP
fleet sedge
Imagine paying 4 billion to charge your laser boi
versed helm
you can cut a scarab with it, tho
so i think its worth it
plus, the UNSC must have outposts which have a high energy output
lethal comet
Unyielding hierophant is basically a moon sized mobile dock
Kinda sad it had tto be destroyed
versed helm
it gets rekt in silent storm, right?
feral perch
No, you're thinking of the Ring of Mighty Abundance.
The Unyielding Hierophant is in First Strike.
versed helm
ahh
fair hazel
Already laser scorpion
cedar surge
Full production or prototype?
versed helm
No wonder the Covenant's forces are so dumb.
11 days
fair hazel
Hannibal scorpion
cedar surge
For all these new weapons
The unsc doesn't have a new carrier to carry them all
Nothing like the charon or orion or epoch class
inner basin
Already laser scorpion
Well we don’t know if they’ve been fielded or still being tested. Same with the Hannibal Mantis and Wasp
humble yacht
the hannibal tank is a testbed for Hannibal Weapons to try out new directed energy weapons on vehicles
inner basin
Yeah I wasn’t disagreeing with his point, I was just saying we don’t know if they’ve been fielded yet. As far as I know it’s being tested
carmine sleet
It's possible they've seen limited use in the field, maybe as a "Hey, we want to test this thing against live targets" type deal
green raft
what happened to Dare
humble yacht
she married buck
green raft
No she didn’t
humble yacht
yes she did
green raft
Are you serious
humble yacht
yes
gilded mason
Why wouldn't he be...?
green raft
Did they have kids
green raft
So why didn’t we see Dare in Halo 5
humble yacht
considering the galaxy is in turmoil, i doubt they were thinking about children
gilded mason
Because she was elsewhere
green raft
Where is she
gilded mason
She was off doing other ONI missions
carmine sleet
Not likely
green raft
So she’s actually still alive
humble yacht
yes
green raft
Wow
I had no idea about her
All I remembered was Buck stepped on a roach and Dare told him to stop being a baby then they kissed at the end of the game I was like lol omg I had no idea they were a thing
gilded mason
You didn't realize it?
carmine sleet
When did he step on a cockroach in ODST?
cedar surge
You mean stepping on a drone?
Plus I don't think it was exactly hard to see they were in a relationship
green raft
yeah
I think it was data hive
idk, it’s been years for me
so is it true that ONI created the recon armor
west loom
quick question
idk if I missed that part of the lore, or it just not exist; Why does the banished want the humans dead?
west loom
oh
thanks
I knew something felt missing in HW2 and in infinite's trailers
green raft
tbh I’m getting the game to play multiplayer
versed helm
i want to fire more weapons
green raft
yeah
cedar surge
Were the banished going to hold the rings like a gun to the head of the galaxy in HW2?
versed helm
i guess they just wanted control
like, atriox revolted primarily because he had seen enough of of his bros get rekt
so best guess is that he wanted to be in power
and the array is arguably the best way to do it
also, the greater ark got destroyed, right?
or is it in unknown extra-galactic space?
versed helm
i thought beings on the ring didnt get affected by the killer pulse
humble yacht
Can’t find anything that says that
Not sure where that idea came from but if it ever existed, it was probably retconned
versed helm
so, the greater ark is gone for good
humble yacht
Yes
west loom
Otherwise why get the game?
@humble yacht companies do tend to spoil a lot in trailers, mostly in movies but games sometime too
stable flower
So why didn’t we see Dare in Halo 5
@green raft Because Brian Reed
humble yacht
That’s not why
green raft
hi @stable flower
gilded mason
She'd kinda have no reason to be in the game at all, Reed or no Reed.
humble yacht
Not every character is important to every situation
green raft
who is Brian Reed what game is he from
humble yacht
That’s like saying “why wasn’t dare in Reach?”
gilded mason
who is Brian Reed what game is he from```
He was a writer for 343. He wrote some Escalation issues, SpOps, and Halo 5.It'd be nice to see Alpha-Nine visually again instead of only in the books
gilded mason
was Dare even born then```
...What year do you think Reach was in?no idea
gilded mason
You know it was right before CE, right?
green raft
yea
humble yacht
Same year as most everythIng else in halo
gilded mason
You know CE was right before Halo 2, right?
green raft
so why would she be in Reach
gilded mason
We're talking about her being born.
humble yacht
Picard facepalm moment
green raft
she wasn’t even relevant then
gilded mason
We know.
humble yacht
That’s the whole point
humble yacht
Exactly
gilded mason
You thought she wasn't born during the same year that ODST takes place, that's what we were getting at.
gilded mason
Yes, that was odd.
humble yacht
Probably trying to start some crap
cedar surge
So what did covenant places of worship look like?
wind crest
So I have a question
In halo two master chief goes to Mombasa and In ODST the setting is Mombasa so is master chief running around the same time as the rookie or is he already gone
gilded mason
In the intro cutscene to ODST, we see the carrier and In Amber Clad leave in the giant slipspace portal.
humble yacht
He’s already gone
wind crest
@gilded mason @humble yacht ok that clears that up. Can you see the amber clad in the cutscene
gilded mason
Ye
wind crest
@gilded mason I just re watched the cutscene the covenant ship dwarfs the amber clad you can barely see it
winged pendant
Is there any extra books for Fireteam Osiris or Tanaka and Vale specifically?
gilded mason
All they got is Hunters in the Dark, some Escalation issues, and a little bit of Bad Blood.
Oh. And Nightfall.
winged pendant
I assume Nightfall isn’t that good?
winged pendant
You would think with Fireteam Osiris being made to be like the new main crew that they would flush out the lore for them a little more
Like especially with Tanaka and Vale
Buck and Locke at least have a decent background
terse lava
Suppose they were going before route of chief. Unless you read FTR he didnt have much backstory. Just enough to understand
cedar surge
Read the history of Eayn. I hope the arch matriachs either become a faction
Kig yar drained vehicles would be cool
terse lava
Drained?
cedar surge
Designed
Also how do you think the unsc delt with mass amounts of bodies after battles for the colonies
humble yacht
Depends on if they won or lost an engagement
I doubt you’d risk going back to reach or harvest to bury dead
dense pulsar
Well, I figure alot of bodies on Reach would be straight up glassed
terse lava
I dont see why they even bother, they had more important things to worry about besides grave detail
cedar surge
Well on colonies that managed to survive the covenant onslaught
For example meridian
Would they just make mass graves?
Wait this is 500 years into the future
So they likely got new things to bury dead with
So are resources on glassed colonies still useable?
Do Spartans other than the chief get monuments?
terse lava
Noble team did
craggy sierra
Did they?
craggy sierra
Who was even left alive to ordain that? Jun?
Halsey feels like she’s busy being an enemy of the state to go set those up on her behalf.
And keyes died in CE
craggy sierra
They’re legend but also not really personally known. Especially outside of the military sector.
craggy sierra
I still think it would’ve had to be someone personally on the level with them to know what they did to warrant it.
lethal comet
Urban Holland may have survived
And don't forget how many lives they saved in new alexandria
People never forget
Jun survived
Though I doubt he made it to 2610
craggy sierra
I mean S3’s still have increased life expectancy when not being sent on suicide missions.
And he works a desk job now
dense pulsar
Yea
People record everything on their phones so I wouldn't be surprised if someone managed to record a Covenant attack were a Spartan showed up
Plus, theres the retired veterans who probably have mad stories about Spartans
And I think alot of the war would make for great post-war movies on the colonies, kinda like how there was a flood of WW2 movies
All you have to do is make the Spartans look like selfless heroes in a few Saving Private Ryan type movies instead of killing machines, and boom, you got a "Rifle squad that saved the day" myth for them
cedar surge
@lethal comet Spartans are gone after 2610?
lethal comet
Cant say
cedar surge
Oh wait you said declassified
Like letting people know
I though the Spartan program was over
lethal comet
Parangosky released all the stuff on spartans when she retired
The only thing we know for sure about the 2600s is that Reach has been recolonised and Earth is safe and opened the museum of humanity
versed helm
Interesting question: Is Emile able to see well through his helmet’s visor?
cedar surge
Yea
versed helm
In the Halo Evolutions: Headhunters short, we see Jonah B283’s visor get scratched pretty badly by an energy sword, obstructing a bit of his vision in the process.
cedar surge
Was that during the battle of reach?
versed helm
It’s uncertain when the Headhunters short takes place. But Jonah was also wearing SPI, I imagine there’s a structural integrity difference between MJOLNIR helmet visors and SPI.
lethal comet
And energy swords are HOT
The heat must have been too much
Emile just scratched the visor
Jonah's visor was cooked
stiff creek
Pretty sure the blade was an inch or two through his visor.
Was not just a hot scratch.
Twas a gouge.
terse lava
It did go through the visor, but the sangheili was skilled enough to not let the blade kill Jonah. The heat though did pop one of his eyes
versed helm
That sounds like a legitimately horrifying experience.
terse lava
Is pretty messed up yeah
versed helm
its sounds like something that would happen in deadspace
a guy getting gouged by a heated knife and legit getting his eye popped like popcorn
stable flower
@green raft Dunno what the problem is. All I did was quote your post.
green raft
what?
frank copper
There’s a problem in this server everyday
green raft
what do you want from me
frank copper
I count 20+ arguments each day I come here, it’s quite notable.
And all these arguments usually tend to stem from confusing misunderstandings.
frank copper
Find out next time on CSI
versed helm
dun dun dunnnn
dense pulsar
Who was the physically strongest Spartan-II?
versed helm
I'm pretty sure it was Kurt, isn't he taller than both of them?
lethal comet
nope
knotty mesa
Jorge bicep curled noble 6
cedar surge
Read a halo comic saying that Spartans were property. Does that mean that they no longer have their UEG citizenship?
lethal comet
They were UNSC 'assets', though that changed after the war and they were allowed to retire
versed helm
technically, they no longer exist in the normal sense of the word
lethal comet
?
versed helm
That doesn't answer his question, there is still some form of structure to ONI, an organisation that doesn't "exist" either.
versed helm
The point still stands.
see, technically, the people the S-IIs and IIIs were are dead
i mean, their civil lives
i guess only the S-IVs have the retiring option
If the master chief doesn't retire I swear I will make 343i look like the blacksite from odst
lethal comet
The spartan IIIs are kia
versed helm
Incorrect.
they're MIA
SPARTANS NEVER DIE
Not all of them are listed as that anyway.
and not all the IIIs are dead
I only know of Jerome and one other but I forgot her name
dense pulsar
I mean
What would Master Chief even retire to do? He's spent his entire life embroiled in conflict. I don't see him easily transitioning to a civilian life at all. Like, he has no friends or family. He probably doesn't know what civilian social norms are like, and important adult things you need to do will probably be last on him imo
It would just be a sad, slow, fade to black for him
versed helm
Well I mean he could become a scholar and focus his time into research instead of conflict
carmine sleet
Chief isn't exactly the kind of person to go into research
dense pulsar
He'd probably be shifted to an instructor for future Spartans
versed helm
That seems like a peaceful existence for him
He deserves the best retirement and that also seems like something he would do
dense pulsar
I just don't see research being the thing for him