How are AI able to so easily get into forerunner systems then
#lore-and-universe
cedar surge
dense pulsar
Controls the ship, could spy on Covenant comms, able to interface with Forerunner tech
cedar surge
After the MB why would they not make great anti AI tech in their systems
terse lava
mixture of plot and that there are likely similarities between forerunner and covenant systems
cedar surge
Also humanity advanced too fast
terse lava
because they were in a 300 year war in which the last decade utterly exploded beyond any form of control
terse lava
yes?
cedar surge
It was 30
terse lava
you asked on the forerunner
cedar surge
The HC war was 30
terse lava
the Forerunner-Flood war lasted 300
cedar surge
I watched a video about it and heard the war took over millions of years
terse lava
who told you that garbage?
cedar surge
I don't remember where I watched it
There is a lot of misinformation about halo lore
terse lava
the only thing that was "millions" in the haloverse was the Precursor-Forerunner war that was 10 million years ago
cedar surge
Like seriously,why do so many people get halo lore wrong. And sometimes they just don't bother to look things up
Like the age old question
Why does the AR only shoot 20 yards
Or does the unsc have artillery
terse lava
gameplay, Aliens movie
terse lava
never
cedar surge
Its in your local alleyway behind the ONI building
Maybe the reason people don't like Spartan IVs is because they feel inclusive
Spartan 2s you had to have the right genes
terse lava
I don't think anyone in-universe dislikes the S4
cedar surge
Spartan 3s I think were the same but with orphans
Out of universe
Spartan IVs however could have anybody
unique rune
Spartan-III was less stringent about genetic screening but yes it was still part of the criteria
terse lava
eh I hate all spartans, less so the 3s
cedar surge
You could actually use politics to become a 4 or just be a good foghter
Which lets face it
It you survived the war I think you are a good fighter
unique rune
Or just real lucky
cedar surge
And odsts also became Spartan IVs making people feel less special
Point is,the rs don't make you feel as special as the other generations. Though the thing about how there are hundreds of Spartans isn't a problem though
There were hundreds of 3s at a point
Also how many times do we have to stress this
No Spartan 3s are not trash
They just had different armor
They had better training
terse lava
No one said that
cedar surge
I seen it
And I just say random things to get conversations going
For example. When the covenant capture a Spartan armor what do they do with it. For example a Spartan 3 armor
Keep it as a trophy?
Also the prophets in the covenant. Are they going back to their homeworld?
dense pulsar
I don't see why they wouldn't
The war is over and for the most part, I think the galaxy knows the Covenant was a scam
terse lava
we dont even know if they can return to their homeworld
it was either A. Wiped out when it's parent star went supernova in 600BC, or occuiped by the Stoics who hated the reformists
lethal comet
Don't forget that if their planet survived then it is still missing a huge chunk
cedar surge
Eh it will patch out by now
You think the stoic ideology is still going to be around?
terse lava
The chunk of rock missing didn't damage the planet at all
just made a new sea
and yeah I expect it could still be around, the guys refused to advance with technology for 1200 years after the Reformists left in the keyship. THey had chosen to go into advanced biologcail sciences intstead
lethal comet
They must be at least tier 4 by now
Maybe even tier 3
Since they used to be tier without the forerunners
But the planet is probably dead
cedar surge
Covenant cuisine?
And also
The elites know they fought the prophets in the founding of the covenant
So how do they feel about the prophets that now they can barely walk
gilded mason
Ranges from respect to contempt.
Nizat frequenty fantasized about killing his local prophet
terse lava
Also they were not terribly different during the War of Beginnings anyway. Just were able to stand strighter
dense pulsar
Well, aren't prophets from a planet with lighter gravity?
gilded mason
It's only just barely lighter than Earth
terse lava
Plus there's the fact that the covenant san shyuum are from an original group of only 1000
sinful pollen
Palmer: "I thought you'd be taller."
Chief: "I thought you'd be hotter."
Can we talk about how most of the Spartan 4s we see don't act like Spartans?
gilded mason
They don't act like S2s and S3s
gilded mason
However, yes. They aren't exactly a good first impression for the audience's first viewing of a S4 fireteam's character.
terse lava
The s4s act like college jocks, the promethan soldiers talk like little kids. It is pretty amusing
warped gust
So I started reading Glasslands, and the first chapter feels like I should have read Ghosts of Onyx first
Do I need to?
gilded mason
It'd definitely help out.
sinful pollen
ew reading
warped gust
Ugh, i have GoO but it's physical and the print is really small ugghhhh
orchid prism
Reading is good.
gilded mason
There there
sinful pollen
Don't you know books can give you papercuts? That's like, unsafe
warped gust
Not Ebooks
orchid prism
@sinful pollen 
sinful pollen
eye papercuts
orchid prism
Ok calm down Satan
terse lava
But you need power for an audiobook. unlimited power
cedar surge
Yea prometheans may look as intimidating but they are barely a threat to characters in cutscenes
gilded mason
It seems to be a trend for most enemies
unique rune
Never liked audiobooks much. They’re kinda convenient but I prefer how easy it is to go at my own pace and re-read stuff as needed.
dense pulsar
You ever feel bad about killing Grunts?
unique rune
I don’t
At least not often
Their misfortune and mistreatment under the Covenant usually isn’t part of my thought process when they’re tossing grenades at me
terse lava
Eh
gilded mason
There's certainly a contrast between grunt characterization in books and games. For the former, they're generally thoughtful and introspective, while the latter has them "lol so zany"
cedar surge
So I should feel bad for braining any retreating grunt?
main siren
I won't lie, I had a dream for Infinite where Grunts would make all kinds of swears against Master Chief and stand their ground
terse lava
Yes, shame on you Lance you monster
unique rune
So I should feel bad for braining any retreating grunt?
I prefer to think of it more as a mercy killing
because I can’t imagine they’d be much better off if they manage to get back
terse lava
Would think they'd fair alright. Maybe get some rations revoked....now if they were under jiralhanae command...yeah likely
plain sierra
dense pulsar
Le monke
terse lava
well we have certainly never seen a sangheili punish an unggoy for surviving a battle
stable flower
well we have certainly never seen a sangheili punish an unggoy for surviving a battle
@terse lava What about Another Day At The Beach?
terse lava
They outright retreated, and he simply grabbed one by the neck before throwing him aside
cedar surge
Plus all he did was throw the grunt away from the odst squad
A brute would have thrown the grunt at them and the grunt being turned to swish cheese
versed helm
I understand that there are people who were unhappy with 343 removing all the mystery surrounding the forerunners, but if you ask me? I think it was very cool to see all this new lore spring up surrounding them. Plus I feel that the precursors do a good job of filling that “mysterious predecessor species” role
This is just my opinion btw
terse lava
True
cedar surge
Then we get more lore on the precursors and find out about a even older species
versed helm
cause otherwise we'll get stuck on who made the precursors, how they came into the possession of the mantle, how they made the domain
humble yacht
Imo precursors are already too much
terse lava
Perhaps, I was fine with the Forerunners but blame bungie
versed helm
one thing that could be interesting, though
what did the precursors make the forerunners from?
lethal comet
When did the Thursday war take place again?
craggy sierra
what did the precursors make the forerunners from?
@versed helm I feel like getting questions like that answered would be superfluous, add nothing to the lore, and probably make a confused history even more confusing.
The line probably should’ve been drawn around turning god into an ancient alien race that made the universe.
I think Halo’s history should be treated like real life history. We’re aware of all the tragedies and wrong doings, trials and tribulations that brought society to where it is today, but very little of it is something I expect to get brought up in any meaningful way in my day to day.
terse lava
I would hope that type of crap is avoided
craggy sierra
Halo's lore is kinda like if you learned about Egyptian slavery and then had to deal with the threat of being kidnapped and forced to built pyramids when you go to the store for milk. Somethings are better left just being historical foot notes.
terse lava
that was an odd comparsion
craggy sierra
It's true though.
There was the thing in the past that played a foot note role in making the world be what it is today. The thing with Halo lore is that everyone expects those things from the past to make a recurring threat.
And I don't get why the past can't just be the past
carmine sleet
Honestly, it'd be nice if once the Created threat is over, the next threat is something that isn't an ancient Forerunner macguffin
craggy sierra
They also say that while ignoring the fact that the Halo universe is currently at a pivotal point of making history for itself with alien diplomacy post-war
terse lava
was
jolly furnace
Regardin MB and logic plague, in H3 terminals version, it may not have entirely consicious on his part to turn on Forerunners either as in the terminals I think its noted GM may have non-physically tampered with MBs Core Matrix prior to him turning.
craggy sierra
It's not healthy to dwell on the past with an abundance of potential in the present.
jolly furnace
If so then I dunno if I'd consider MB's turn fully his own doing but rather he believed it was due to his matrix tampering
craggy sierra
was
@terse lava Well this is what we're advocating to change after the current affairs get taken care of
jolly furnace
As for logic plague itself, it could be an aspect of GM's absolute desire to corrupt everything
It's somewhat implied that this is just the nature of being exposed to the Gravemind directly— It's utter malice and desire to corrupt is absolute. The Logic plague is transmitted through memes and complex information encoded in everything it says, and it's likewise implied that the same goes for any communication it has with organic life, too.
humble yacht
When did the Thursday war take place again?
Between H3 and H4
lethal comet
I meant year
humble yacht
Have you tried Halopedia?
lethal comet
Halopedia doesnt really say the year in which events occured
humble yacht
I recommend delving a little deeper, the info is there
stable flower
This is just my opinion btw
@versed helm I agree. The Forerunners can't be mysterious and faceless forever.
deep pewter
versed helm
@versed helm I agree. The Forerunners can't be mysterious and faceless forever.
@stable flower I remember playing Halo 4 for the first time, I was getting a sneaking suspicion it had something to do with the forerunners after fighting the promethian knights for the first time
cedar surge
I mean
The already amount of forerunner mcguffins
The forerunner engines humanity somehow got to work on the infinity,the Janis key,the moon that constructs and deconstruct planets,the composers,the domain
And I think post war was actually going somewhere interesting before the AI uprising
terse lava
Yeah
stable flower
I like to see the UNSC portrayed as a professional military force, not the unprofessional irregular insurgency/guerrilla group that Bungie made them out to be.
terse lava
They are still rather lousy, that dialogue if theirs..cringe
craggy sierra
post-war can still go interesting places once the AI thing gets resolved
Also I think we lost the ability to see the UNSC as a professional millitary around the point in the series where their engineers greenlit a vehicle design like the warthog
cedar surge
That was hundreds of years ago
Plus when fighting hot plasma
Faster is better than bulkier
craggy sierra
Yeah so the UNSC lost credibility to be professional hundreds of years ago
Like you literally have nothing but your own grip to hang onto the back of a speeding vehicle that may or may not even have any intentions of staying on a road.
Every jump you take in Halo should've probably killed the man on the back
craggy sierra
There aren't foot straps though
I don't think anywhere in canon has ever pointed to there being foot straps
ivory willow
There are, they're just invisible and nobody knows about them, it's a micromolecular film that's put on the bottom of every UNSC issue boot and it only attaches to the back of the warthog
craggy sierra
Are those standard issue?
ivory willow
Every UNSC issue boot has them
That's why the UNSC never fields a large army of foot soldiers, the boots are too expensive
cedar surge
Plus its not like the gunner is turning the turrets using their own strength
What do you mean
There were 300 million marines on reavh
ivory willow
Yeah that's 600 million boots
cedar surge
Probably a few million went to harvest
ivory willow
The population of the colonies is probably in the tens or hundreds of billions
cedar surge
Why are you so interested in boots
craggy sierra
I'm gonna need a reference for that claim about the boot costs
cedar surge
No that's not
There were only 39 billion people on all the colonies including earth
Where the hell are you getting this info
ivory willow
cedar surge
If the unsc can't even afford boots they are a failure of a milotary
So
You pulled it out of thin air
Grip strength
ivory willow
You cannot hold something with your hands hard enough to keep your feet on the ground
craggy sierra
It's still a bafflingly stupid design that also doesn't explain why you give them no cover from fire with it when that's literally a thing modern military Humvees will do for gunners.
terse lava
Most humans vehicles are poorly designed
cedar surge
@craggy sierra the speed of the warthog makes up for the defence
craggy sierra
Modern millitary humvees go at normal car speeds so idk what you're getting at there.
cedar surge
When you are facing plasma its better to be fast then be turned to molten metal
Plus
Who wouldn't want to be the gunner
In halo 2 we literally see the gunners having no problem staying on
In a cutscene
craggy sierra
I feel like that's more so physics breaking to accommodate the universe and not the universe properly reflecting physics
cedar surge
You can't argue with cutscene though
A warthog jumped up and fell back down and kept going and the driver was fine
versed helm
warthogs are OP. imagine what would happen if they had two gunner stands
cedar surge
Nothing can go wrong with more firepower
So would the banished now have been a serious threat to the covenant back then?
They can produce their own weapons and vehicles now
And are lead by a smart leader
versed helm
Probably
gilded mason
A threat that might deserve more attention, at least
cedar surge
I think they could have shaken the covenant
versed helm
I mean they were easily able to gain control of Zeta Halo
gilded mason
Though I wonder how much "The Harbinger" had to do with that.
cedar surge
I think the 800 colonies makes more sense than just 17 colonies
It is much easier to hide the destruction of one colony out of hundreds than a colony out of only 17
gilded mason
Remember that most of those 800 are counting science stations, mining outposts, and other small things that happen to have humans living on them.
versed helm
That's also a good point. I wonder who the Harbinger is tho. Also when I first watched the trailer, I thought he said "The Arbiter" and I was like "Oh come on, don't turn the Arbiter against us as well"
cedar surge
Still
My point is
That humanity wouldn't have survived 30 years with only 17 colonies
Even with Cole protocol
That's way to little
Who even thought that 17 colonies make more sense
Out of 800 colonies only around 60 to 80 survived
I wonder how much of the economy was crippled
With the huge amount of lost life
terse lava
Think so
obsidian thistle
Yes
cedar surge
So if you shot a mac shot into slipspace would it just keep going?
versed helm
Doesn't slipspace travel need specific shielding?
fringe robin
well, I mean the mac round would be going slower than you would be traveling in slipspace
nimble crest
How many Spartans where present at reach?
gilded mason
26 S2s
feral stirrup
dear 343. hire dudes from the idsoftware team part time. they'll show you how to make a efficient game engine
they'll teach you everything.
sinful pollen
@feral stirrup What makes you think that Slipspace isn't an efficient engine?
feral stirrup
i didn't say it wasn't. I just think the guys from idsoftware could really ad some nice touches to that engine
i was super impressed with id tech 7
smooth as butter, almost no hiccups. and had file sizes half of what the original 2016 doom had
343 should learn about these compression techniques and coding wizardry so their games load in like half of the time. I hope with the slipspace, they find a way to eliminate most loading screens
sinful pollen
I doubt Zenimax would outsource their devs though
feral stirrup
you'd be shocked and suprized how much outsourcing goes around in the industry
many dudes end up quitting a particular dev to go work for another dev and carry all of their trade secrets with them
sinful pollen
True, but Zenimax is really strict, look what it's done to Bethesda
feral stirrup
bethesda sucks now no doubt. but Id software seems to be unscathed by them
gleaming vapor
^^
feral stirrup
welll see how long that lasts dou
terse lava
I would think the slipspace engine will be just fine
craggy sierra
My question is why bring up engine building in the lore channel?
gilded mason
Th engine will be discussed in-universe, as the twist for the game is that Cortana created Halo Infinite.
craggy sierra
It wasn’t even a Segwayed topic
terse lava
This place has had weirder non lore questions anyway
cedar surge
How do you shoot down plasma torpedoes
feral perch
you can’t
cedar surge
I read that on halopedia on unsc PD of them also shooting down plasma torps
feral perch
I mean, the novelizations have them using archer missiles to intercept plasma torpedos I guess
it’s kinda silly imo but maybe it’d work
cedar surge
So shooting metal at plasma to have it absorb the plasma
terse lava
They cant shoot down them, only dodge them
Shooting metal will just melt the metal, plasma will go on
However, the plasma can be dispersed if passing through a cloud of metal pieces
feral perch
I thought so but I think Nylund had archer missiles cancel out plasma torpedoes at least once
humble yacht
If the missile detonated then it could disperse the plasma gas
Alternatively enough mass could absorb the energy of the plasma bolt
terse lava
Yet I do not believe we have any such examples of archers or MACS MACS being used in that way and working
humble yacht
How sad
terse lava
Closest I can think up was at the battle of Onyx when the battle group shot at the Covenant reinforcements. It all became molten slag that just splashed off the shields
nimble crest
Is James 005 eod armor canon? Or should he be wearing the mk4 helmet
fair hazel
Missiles were used by infinity against plasma torpedoes
Glass lands
Are you talking about from the comic ?magicka
cedar surge
How do unsc fighters usually fair against covenant fighters. Considering that covenant fighters should have usually massively outnumbered unsc fighters
terse lava
And they stopped the plasma? Not sure how much I buy that seeing as Karen ignored most of canon and thought the plasma torpedoes were solid objects
cedar surge
Its being held together by magnetic fields
humble yacht
How could you think plasma is solid
If you’re not well versed in physicists then a plasma torpedo may seem solid
terse lava
She clearly wasn't
humble yacht
Because the idea of a mobile electric field that persists with no power source is pretty fantastical
nimble crest
I thought rod in fuel rod was metaphorical for the masses shape but I found out it is an actual rod
nimble crest
The rod it ejects I thought it was just a mass of fuel like the wraith
Or the scarab
terse lava
It's more a burning chemical gel encapsulated
nimble crest
Like no the pic I have shows an actual rod
humble yacht
It doesn’t fire the rod, it just loads a rod
The CE fuel rod cannon clearly shows Rods sticking out the top
fair hazel
the plasma torpedoes are physical things stored in the ship and they are like, charged/powered by the ship's fusion reactor
i mean pinch fusion reactor
it's canon
terse lava
Yeah...its..well..choice words
nimble crest
I’m just saying it was weird
terse lava
Dont see why they needed to make them a physical thing
cedar surge
You mean halo encyclopedia?
terse lava
Literally nothing hinted at it before though
nimble crest
Anybody else want to see the weirdness?
fair hazel
Just because it wasn't hinted doesn't mean it couldn't have been
terse lava
I could say, buy older covenant ships using that method sure
nimble crest
The fuel rod cannon fires an actual projectile along with the fuel
stable flower
@craggy sierra Don't forget the fact that despite 400 years of existence, they didn't bother to research and develop energy shielding for their ships. They'd rather wait for a multi-species alien alliance to start curb-stomping before doing so.
fair hazel
... Are you talking about the UNSC..?
terse lava
He is from an earlier conversation
fair hazel
Things aren't like a research tree where you see the options and you spend research points on
cedar surge
Do you guys think that if it wasn't for the insurrection,the unsc would have gotten customer harder?
fair hazel
Discovering things can be, tricky, especially on your own
craggy sierra
Whaaaaaat
fair hazel
I think so dr Lance, if I am understanding what you are saying correctly
cedar surge
Also shielding isn't sometjing you just start researching out of the blue
nimble crest
If they weren’t fighting the insurrection they would have lost the covenant war
cedar surge
Yea the insurrection kind of prepared the unsc
Cause the unsc had to start rolling out new classes and technology
nimble crest
I.e: no Spartans
terse lava
Or know how to fight in space
nimble crest
That too
cedar surge
Heck some people think the mac gun is overkill
stable flower
Didn't they already know that from the Interplanetary War? Or did they get soft overtime?
cedar surge
That was hundreds of years ago at that point
Like 400 or 450
Its like a country not having to fight anyone for centuries and slowly putting down their army
nimble crest
Did the covies attack every terraformed planet in the sol system
nimble crest
Luna?
cedar surge
Moon
terse lava
The moon..
cedar surge
Luna is a name for the moon
humble yacht
Wizards come from there!
cedar surge
I'm not sure if every planet got colonized
fair hazel
You're not going to build cities IN jupiter
nimble crest
I doubt the gas giants
terse lava
It's also made of cheese dont forget Chimera
nimble crest
Or the extremes
terse lava
The extremes? What pluto?
cedar surge
I think the unsc could colonize those
terse lava
I cant remember if Venus was tamed or not
nimble crest
Probably not Venus
cedar surge
They are capable of making atmosphere and making continents
terse lava
True, they literally create a whole new crust onto of the existing one
They likely have research bases there, along with the gas giants
terse lava
Would think the belt would have various mines scattered
terse lava
No
humble yacht
No
cedar surge
Well its a entire planet
humble yacht
If you mess with the moon, you mess with earth
cedar surge
That would probably take a way longer time
terse lava
The moon is not a planet
humble yacht
Colony != planet
terse lava
Its..no its not, its a.colonized moon. That does not make it a planet
humble yacht
You could live on an asteroid and it wouldn’t be a planet
terse lava
Pluto deserves the title of planet back more then the moon
humble yacht
Lol
nimble crest
Fr
terse lava
you will always be #9 to me Pluto
cedar surge
Is the moon a full terraformed colony or
nimble crest
Doubt it
cedar surge
Do they live in habitats
cedar surge
Maps?
terse lava
Still barren, outside of any habitats
nimble crest
Multiplayer maps
terse lava
The mp maps
Also as for the other question, only the Covenant could hollow out moons in the modern era
humble yacht
Victory is mine.
nimble crest
Will there be spin off games in the 10 years to the next title?
versed helm
Edit: Possibly
terse lava
Maybe
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
versed helm
We have no idea, they haven't confirmed anything.
cedar surge
I want marines
nimble crest
Yes
cedar surge
And odsts
humble yacht
If you want headhunters then play reach
nimble crest
Alpha 9 on reach
humble yacht
Has a whole game mode for that
nimble crest
Imagine playing as a marine during the battle of new Alexandrea
versed helm
They didn't really, ODST is loved by most Halo fans.
terse lava
Just waiting for either an OG Covenant based game or a SOS one
nimble crest
Great schism game
terse lava
That works too
versed helm
I would say that your conclusion is subjective, Dr. Lance.
humble yacht
What if a human tuned a halo to only target elite neural patterns?
nimble crest
Escaping high charity as a person in the holy city
cedar surge
@humble yacht can it do that?
nimble crest
Not any humans could probably figure that out chimes
versed helm
What if a human tuned a halo to only target elite neural patterns?
The Halo universe would be a better place.
nimble crest
Ostral would disagree
cedar surge
Wow look at this ONI spook guys
humble yacht
Because it would be funny
gilded mason
No kiddin'
versed helm
I am not affiliated with a fictional shadow government, Dr. Lance.
terse lava
Know what else was funny? Harvest's current population
nimble crest
Harvest game
cedar surge
Yea I know
humble yacht
Attacking farmers was low
nimble crest
Spartan game before shields
versed helm
Everything the Covenant did to the humans was low.
cedar surge
Well the covenant did eat humans soooo
terse lava
What do you expect from jiralhanae
gilded mason
Attacking farmers was low```
Then why're ya advocatin' the same thing. :^)Yes, that is addressed when saying "everything".
unique rune
Spartan game before shields
Just play on Legendary. You spend more time with your shields down than charged.
feral perch
Elites can’t farm, they’re too honorable for that
humble yacht
What if ONI coerces that elite who like Palmer to betray his people by promising him a date with her?
nimble crest
Didn’t the jackals eat people too
gilded mason
Bricc pls
cedar surge
Yea
versed helm
What do you expect from jiralhanae
I expect them to behave like the impulsive, primitive aliens that they are, like the Kig-Yar and Unggoy.
feral perch
Kig-Yar aren’t primitive
terse lava
Nah he simply died in Palmer's arms. Sweet nothings whispered into his ears
gilded mason
Why he gotta die, Ado
nimble crest
The kig yar were dragging a marine away in the believe trailer
versed helm
I regard them as a primitive species.
terse lava
Eh the kig-yar arent terribly primitive
versed helm
The space pirates? You have to be joking.
terse lava
Jiralhanae now...whole other story
versed helm
They are not civilised in the slightest.
humble yacht
The UNSC should have developed cryo weapons to use against the elites
gilded mason
Sure they are
nimble crest
What about buggers
versed helm
They should have done many things to stop the Covenant but here they are.
nimble crest
Are buggers primitive?
terse lava
They developed tools but we dont have much else on their culture
nimble crest
What happened to hunters after war? Slither away?
versed helm
They are just a more advanced group of insects to me.
nimble crest
The leckgalo
terse lava
They only had one planet, their homeworld
humble yacht
Lekgolo are still around
nimble crest
Leckgo
terse lava
Lekgolo? Did their own thing
nimble crest
Vibed
humble yacht
Many joined covenant splinter groups like the Banished
terse lava
Just waiting for a group to come along and go "welcome humans to the Covenant!....what schism?"
versed helm
I wonder if Firefight is a simulated war game that Spartans play.
nimble crest
I’m assuming not, considering it’s live fire with covies
terse lava
Well a comic showed a invasion style game
versed helm
Uh, I'm talking about it being in a simulated environment, Magicka.
terse lava
I am guessing if you wanted to try and make the FF canon, were simply battles on reach
nimble crest
Oh yeah I’m sure they had that kind of thing
We have that now
Like in forward unto dawn movie
versed helm
Sorry, let me clarify, I'm not talking about it being a physically real war game. I'm talking about Firefight being played by Spartans on electronic devices.
nimble crest
Yeah probably but I’m pretty sure that was more for marines and non augmented fighters
versed helm
Spartans have played digital versions of war games.
nimble crest
What is the likelihood spartan IIs would get customization options for armor?
Like small things like webbing and helmets
nimble crest
I mean before 2553
versed helm
Oh.
They probably had the option to, but I doubt that they cared.
This was a point where they were death machines, not people who should focus on individuality.
nimble crest
I mean most Spartans would want to increase combat effectiveness yes?
unique rune
We've got plenty of media that depicts Spartans wearing different armor configurations for different mission requirements during the Human-Covenant War, so...
versed helm
You have to also look at their mindsets, remember when Kurt was tasked with training Spartan 3s? He went out of his way to wear SPI armour to ensure that he did not distance himself from his peers.
feral perch
that was dumb imo
versed helm
Okay.
nimble crest
Like I want the Spartans in my little short story to be depicted wearing modified Mark V. That depict their combat styles
versed helm
A lot of aspects to Halo are dumb but that's because they sometimes focus on moral narratives.
nimble crest
Was it like wearing clothes for Kurt lmao? Non augmented personnel can wear SPI
versed helm
Jorge's sacrifice was dumb but it still held emotional value and impact. The writer probably did that with Kurt to give the impression that he was a good leader.
nimble crest
I mean there wasn’t a real way it couldn’t have not been dumb because there wasn’t another way unless tweedle 6 and tweedle 5 sacrificed a marine
terse lava
You know something I never thought about much before. Why did the gravemind never bother sending flood to the delta halo control room, or leave chief alone in high chairty
feral perch
Jorge’s sacrifice was meaningless because he needn’t have existed in the first place for the story of Reach to work. The novel told a perfectly convincing version of the fall.
nimble crest
The super carrier was still a threat. It was huge.
versed helm
All right, continuing this would be a waste of time.
feral perch
The super carrier was a massive support ship and also didn’t even have to exist
nimble crest
We can all agree the super carrier is terribly stupid
gilded mason
or leave chief alone in high chairty
By then, John had failed his mission, so Gravemind had no further use for him as an autonomous individual.
feral perch
The Gravemind is completely incompetent in Halo 3.
In Halo 2 he’s okay but yeah he should’ve gone to the control room anyway.
terse lava
Perhaps, but he could have easily given chief a pelican to continue thr chase
nimble crest
Lmao imagine a combat form landing and saying “it’s.... all.... ready chief......” and handing off the pelican
gilded mason
He might've known that John was already set on following Truth, not Tartarus.
feral perch
That’d be awesome
terse lava
Or if that was the case, he could have had flood rush the control room to assist Thel and others
nimble crest
Miranda would’ve gotten infected
terse lava
Why would she be infected? He would need someone to get the icon and I doubt the flood could just yank it out like she did
Otherwise you would have seen Thel do it
feral perch
Afterwards
terse lava
Well then of course
feral perch
the Flood would kill them all and take the index
nimble crest
Because once the flood got what they wanted, they attacked chief and arby in 3
Which means the same thing would happen
What did happen to the index in 2
feral perch
The Gravemind was so stupid for not ripping Chief and Arbiter apart with its tentacles in The Covenant
terse lava
Guessing Miranda kept it around
nimble crest
What if it was at the memorial on the hill in the end of halo 3 would’ve been nice
terse lava
Dont think so
nimble crest
Shame
cedar surge
Ibtginkbthe unsc is studuing the infex
feral perch
say hwat
fringe robin
"I think the UNSC is studying the Index"
unique rune
I think Chancellor Palpatine is a Sith lord
delicate notch
Haha, a great joke that is @unique rune
cedar surge
Can the longsword take a lot of damage?
It looks like a beast
Although it probably gets overwhelmed
west silo
There weopeans are insane but no idea if they can tank it
The only longsword feat I know was when one got shot down and crashed from orbit and was still in one piece but totaled
cedar surge
With that massive frame and armor I expect the longsword to survive plenty of plasma shots
dense pulsar
Regarding the Memorial in 3
cedar surge
How else could there still be veteran pilots with that size
dense pulsar
You can see shoulderboards for The Master Chief petty officer of the Navy
Were they killed in any specific media?
stable flower
There's something that bothers me. It's called the Insurrection, but the Outer Colonies want to separate from the government, not overthrow it, so wouldn't it make more sense to call it the Secession, and refer to the rebels as Secessionists?
gilded mason
Perhaps calling it that was a deliberate move on the part of the UEG
versed helm
What are the chances for a spartan ii to survive the augmentations
versed helm
I was about to say it have to be like 50/50 or higher
west silo
Didn't like only 35 of them survive out of the 100 or something?
cedar surge
Not all outer colonists wanted to separate
And I doubt most of them joined insurrectionists groups
west silo
Some innies were just spiteful
gilded mason
It was out of 75
west silo
Oh thanks
gilded mason
And some were deformed instead of killed
west silo
Like Serun and red team
gilded mason
Ye
plain shale
were it so easy
versed helm
what do you guys think that Forerunner building in the promo material for Infinite is?
If I had to guess, it would either be the Palace of Pain or the "Auditorium"
plain shale
what promo material exactly??
fringe robin
plain shale
Well then it is most likely the auditorium
whatever that might be
i dont think they would include a place of torture in the art for a game that hasnt been released they are trying to set the stage for something else
versed helm
Maybe, but ya never know. We did see three reddish-orange lights in a pyramid shape (albeit upside-down) reflecting off of Chief's visor in the gameplay trailer for Infinite
cedar surge
The forerunners really called a place the palace of pain huh
plain shale
It was a place where they did experimnets on humans during the human forerunner wat
war
"horrible experiments"
versed helm
They were initially performed by Faber to find a potential cure for the flood
plain shale
I kinda like how the forerunners didnt belive the humans during the human flood war, they only cared about the humans retreating and taking there colonies. Then they were like oh shut
versed helm
Well I mean it's not a good sign if you just fire on their planet without warning
versed helm
I think the Didact was maddest of all
plain shale
he was the guy who designed the shield worlds for hide from the flood right??
so he mad old
versed helm
yea
plain shale
makes sense that he would be going crazy
versed helm
The forerunners were jealous
versed helm
haha
plain shale
RESPONSIBLITY
Precursors chose right
if the forerunner got people like the didact running things they don't deserve it.
craggy sierra
Tbh I stand by the belief of everyone being dumb and the mantle is a bad concept.
plain shale
So was the mantle a physical object or did they just hype it up for no reason
like almost a religon
craggy sierra
The mantle is a concept
plain shale
idiots
craggy sierra
More specifically it’s a thinly veiled metaphor for space dictatorship
versed helm
I mean you're not wrong
craggy sierra
Or at least so has been the end result of everyone who’s adopted its philosophy
versed helm
I feel like the Forerunners used the Human-Forerunner war as an excuse to stop their advancement because they were getting concerned
craggy sierra
The stuff Cortana is trying to do now with forcing a galactic police state, that’s more or less what the forerunners were doing back in the day.
terse lava
Fun little question, had the Covenant found earth in an earlier age, say during the Roman Republic, would humans be treated as cannon fodder or soldiers?
plain shale
Depends where the covenent were technologically
versed helm
The stuff Cortana is trying to do now with forcing a galactic police state, that’s more or less what the forerunners were doing back in the day.
@craggy sierra Those who don't learn from history...
plain shale
most likely cannon fodder due to the fact that they have always been more advanced
histroy always repeats itself
craggy sierra
Well know Cortana is basically doing the equivelant of looking at WWII Germany and being like “Those guys seemed to have the right idea tbh.”
plain shale
pretty much
craggy sierra
She’s not failing to learn from history, she’s bloody inspired by it.
plain shale
maybe cortana knows something of the precursors
and wants to prevent the mistakes of ancient civilization
terse lava
Yet she is making that exact same mistake
craggy sierra
Yeah no tbh all signs in the Halo universe point to all current species of the galaxy having far more common sense than literally everyone who came before.
terse lava
Well AH apparently were doing something right for the precursors to like them
craggy sierra
I mean the other reason I disagree with the mantle is just cause rip all the other species we’re trying to have diplomacy with I guess
terse lava
I figure it's because they sacrificed their own selves rather then others during the flood wars, wiped out plague worlds quickly and stayed to themselves on the galactic outskirts
craggy sierra
If humanity is just like “yeah some ancient dead people crowned us king of the universe so listen to us” it’s just going to be another all out war except I’d kinda be rooting for the aliens.
terse lava
Eh I always figured the sangheili would have been better for a "mantle chosen" race, seeing as they did the same stuff AH did
craggy sierra
But no the concept of the mantle is either moving towards humanity willingly rejecting it or the responsibility being mutually shared with all races.
cedar surge
I prefer the former
terse lava
Pretty much
cedar surge
Because species are not hiveminds
terse lava
flood
gilded mason
Most species, then. Ya cabbage.
plain shale
so far the only hive mind i know of is reddit
west silo
Didn't the forerunners mind control an entire species once
versed helm
The forerunners weren't following the initial vision of the mantle
west silo
We don't even know the true definition of the mantle
gilded mason
Any version that follows the "One species enacts the Mantle" rule will only lead to ruination. And that rule seemed to be endorsed by the Precursors anyway.
west silo
Hey blame the precursors
gilded mason
That's what I just did.
west silo
Ohhh
terse lava
@gilded mason lettuce thank you very much
gilded mason
Ah, yes.
terse lava
Really the closest that came to bring a good galactic civilization was the Covenant. Multi species, a common thing uniting them, and they let others join
Compared to the forerunners who got possed if someone else said they were the mantle holders
gilded mason
Mmm, garlic
west silo
Really the closest that came to bring a good galactic civilization was the Covenant. Multi species, a common thing uniting them, and they let others join
@terse lava
Ummm the grunts wouldn't agree
terse lava
Without the Covenant their race would have gone extinct
west silo
The elites were close to mindless slaves
terse lava
The irony is pointed out in the h3 beastanirum
west silo
The drones are probably also slaves
terse lava
Mindless? Hardly
west silo
And the hunter were pretty much forced into it
gilded mason
Nah, they were given a lot of autonomy
terse lava
Eh the yanme'e see the san shyuum as their queens
terse lava
What?
west silo
The San shyuum Queen thing
cedar surge
Don't like the librarian design. Just extend her nose and you have a human
Does the brutes have any rank like arbiter is for the elites?
dense pulsar
Alright, so you're a Spartan-III doing Sp3 stuff but you get a message that says you're going to take part in Operation Torpedo. Wyd?
gilded mason
That's the operation that exterminated most of Beta Company
west silo
Alright, so you're a Spartan-III doing Sp3 stuff but you get a message that says you're going to take part in Operation Torpedo. Wyd?
@dense pulsar
Just one question is my name Tom?
gilded mason
No, it's Lucy.
west silo
Well still better than the alternative
west silo
Especially since apparently she's been faking not being able to talk all along
west silo
That is the part that annoys me the most
gilded mason
Also, Cat, you were thinking of Thom
dense pulsar
You sure?
west silo
Yep
gilded mason
Yes..
west silo
There Thom and tom
dense pulsar
Who adds an H to Tom and calls it a nane
gilded mason
Apparently his parents
west silo
The former is from the deliver hope trailer
gilded mason
Also people in real life, apparently
unique rune
The full name is usually spelled Thomas for English speakers. So.
west silo
Technically thom is short for thomas
dense pulsar
I hope naming conventions 500 years from now aren't that bad
unique rune
nah they're all named like Elon Musk's kid
unique rune
Maybe his parents just really liked potato-based food products.
gilded mason
based
west silo
Halo has some really unique names though especially in the mona Lisa
dense pulsar
How does the administration of planets work exactly?
Like if you're born on Earth in like Canada, can you go to one of the colonies but still be considered a citizen there?
unique rune
Well. They still kind of exist. There's been some rearrangements and mergers but yeah, you'd be considered a citizen of the UEG instead.
cedar surge
All there is is UEG
Still its cool that depending on which part of earth colonists come from affects the colony's culture
Instead of every colony feeling like they came from one country
dense pulsar
Space Yakuza
gilded mason
Not really talked about, so possibly not.
cedar surge
Yea slipspace isn't cheap enough for small groups of people to go bounty hunting
Actually on the topic of jackals getting slipspace drives from humans
How does that work
Isn't human slipspace drives worse than covenant ones?
west silo
Covenant tech
That isn't rigged to explode
Isn't human slipspace drives worse than covenant ones?
@cedar surge
Better than moving at slower than light speeds
terse lava
Yes the kig-yar weren't allowed to have slipspace capable vessels
Cant really blame the Covenant there seeing as the kig-yar were space pirates
west silo
Man I really wish they would have retconed how close the kig yar homeworld is to harvest
terse lava
Why
west silo
Its like only 2 light years away
It really makes u wonder how the covenant never found it sooner
terse lava
Blind luck I guess
terse lava
The kig-yar home system is only 41 ly from Sol
west silo
Yep thanks to contact harvest
cedar surge
Contact harvest is the novel that kept lowballing stuff right?
17 colonies and now distance
west silo
Joseph Staten really liked the universe being small
cedar surge
Why
west silo
For some reason
cedar surge
Halo is not a small universe
west silo
Tell him
dense pulsar
The ark is on the edge of the galaxy right?
cedar surge
17 colonies doesn't make sense
terse lava
No, its fully outside the galaxy
cedar surge
And neither does this
terse lava
Further out then even the LMG cloud
dense pulsar
So theoretically, the ark could be used as a way point to head to other galaxiea
west silo
Dang in shadow of intent he wrote that there were like only a hundred CAS class ships
dense pulsar
LMG cloud?
cedar surge
Wot?
terse lava
It was already used like that by the last forerunners, who left for other galaxies
dense pulsar
Wait theres forerunners in other galaxies?
cedar surge
The covenant has massive industrial capability
west silo
I told u he likes small
terse lava
Large Magellanic Cloud
dense pulsar
What do you think they would have done if they came back and found the Covenant?
west silo
Why would a small universe be better
@cedar surge
Easier to keep consistant I guess
gilded mason
Yeah...Staten had issues with sizing
cedar surge
Its like putting every halo in the same arm of the galaxy
terse lava
They would likely be disappointed and shocked, but not intervene
cedar surge
Why does it feel that either the sizing,science,or lore of the books can get so crooked
cedar surge
17 colonies is dumb for various reasons
west silo
They would likely be disappointed and shocked, but not intervene
@terse lava
An entire species is getting killed they would probably stop that or else there not doing there job
cedar surge
Plasma ain't solid
dense pulsar
Writers probably have different visions of what the Halo universe is like
west silo
"Writers dont understand space"
@terse lava
Greg bear does
terse lava
In that wargammer 40k universe, before the human imperium took over, there were hundreds of human empires in Sol alone
terse lava
@west silo the halo 3 ARG showed forerunners being aware of current events
west silo
Writers probably have different visions of what the Halo universe is like
@dense pulsar
This is not 40k thankfully
cedar surge
You mean a few hundred on each planet?
sinful pollen
I have a question for you guys, in the YouTube videos of 343i recording the new audio they were recording Pug noises. Do you think those are going to be flood noises?
cedar surge
Pug noises are also used for grunts
gilded mason
They've used pug noises for grunts before, I believe
terse lava
sigh pulls out dead horse
cedar surge
Put away that rotting caracass
gilded mason
Ah, beat me to it, Lance
terse lava
Rotting? This is a bag of bones
gilded mason
lol
sinful pollen
But is Chief Chuck Norris?
lethal comet
Isn't human slipspace drives worse than covenant ones?
Better than no drives
west silo
@west silo the halo 3 ARG showed forerunners being aware of current events
@terse lava
Maybe they retconed that because the only forerunners in the galaxy kinda left
terse lava
Ostral, can you help me put this hoof back in place?
gilded mason
I guuesss
cedar surge
So uh
west silo
What is this dead horse?
lethal comet
@terse lava
Maybe they retconed that because the only forerunners in the galaxy kinda left
@west silo There were no forerunners. It was Mendicant
west silo
Yep
cedar surge
Good
terse lava
@obsidian thistle hey, do you know if 343 ever really retconned the halo 3 ARG stuff?
lethal comet
IRIS just showed that Mendicant is watching US
west silo
I wouldn't be surprised if bungie retconed it
orchid prism
@terse lava i thought it was the real CIA lol
terse lava
Hm, I was quite certain it was forerunners
dense pulsar
The Halo lore department of the CIA
terse lava
Ah yes, Agent Halo of the CIA
west silo
ONI is that u
terse lava
But you shouldn't know that, please took at this bright light
cedar surge
At least contact harvest didn't do anything like saying the covenant only had 200 planets to humanities 17
dense pulsar
I wish ONI would kidnap me and turn me into a super soldier
cedar surge
No you wouldnt
orchid prism
You might die
terse lava
Funny, we have yet to be told how many worlds thr Covenant had
west silo
At least contact harvest didn't do anything like saying the covenant only had 200 planets to humanities 17
@cedar surge
The luminary thing is pretty stupid
If u know
terse lava
Well losing a backwater colony of billions did nothing, or losing hundreds of vessels during the entire war
Also the population of Joyous Exultation
dense pulsar
How much of humanity actually died during the war?
orchid prism
That's a lot of damage
dense pulsar
Jesus christ
west silo
Actually earth only had 2 or something million in halo 3
orchid prism
7 billion casualties...
west silo
And then 12 billion come halo 4 somehow
cedar surge
Evacuations
dense pulsar
Has there been any lore about the social ramifications of the war? What the common person thinks about aliens now?
cedar surge
I think a bit xenophobic for now
west silo
Has there been any lore about the social ramifications of the war? What the common person thinks about aliens now?
@dense pulsar
Its pretty glossed over
cedar surge
I mean first context has been disastrous
So I wouldn't be surprised if most civilians hate aliens
west silo
By force ?
@cedar surge
Nope by free will
cedar surge
On a planet that didn't get hit by the hot beam?
gilded mason
For many, it'd probably depend on how effected they were personally by the Covenant, though it'd vary on a deeper level per person
west silo
Even having auctions
cedar surge
Really?
This wasn't just a war
It was a genocide war
People tortured and eaten alive
west silo
Remember the halo 4 harvester
cedar surge
With planets glassed
And they are just working together like that?
With no suspicion?
No anger?
west silo
4 years baby!!!!!
cedar surge
No resentment?
west silo
Woooowwwww
gilded mason
Well, 343 had to make more people okay with them since they weren't willing to move the timeline up a couple decades. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
west silo
Alien cheeks
cedar surge
Jeez halo should have been decades along the timeline now
Only 4 years was not enough
gilded mason
It'd have made a lot of things more bareable
west silo
If u think thats ridiculous play mass effect
cedar surge
That's the one where the whole galaxy gets colonized in 3 games right
cedar surge
Plus just having humans damcing with covenant species after all the atrocities the covenant committed feels
west silo
Great game by the way
west silo
Plus just having humans damcing with covenant species after all the atrocities the covenant committed feels
@cedar surge
Well to be fair most of the humans are out laws
cedar surge
343 intensified the humanity is special plots
We can't even do things by our own merits
west silo
Oh yea I hate the humanity is special plots
@cedar surge
At least make them work for it
cedar surge
We have to be hand held through becoming the kings and queens of the galaxy by a race of supreme beings
west silo
We can't even do things by our own merits
@cedar surge
Humans were always special since CE to be honest
cedar surge
The fact that we could use forerunner tech should have been enough
west silo
We have to be hand held through becoming the kings and queens of the galaxy by a race of supreme beings
@cedar surge
After getting turned into monkeys
cedar surge
At least we didn't end up like brutes
I want to see how old hood could get before he could look like a combat form
west silo
Well there is a good halo short story with a human and elite working together
cedar surge
But we will never get to see that will we
west silo
And the ending is a great dose of reality
cedar surge
Feels like halo is afraid to hit the fast foward button
gilded mason
Ugh, that ending was awful for me
west silo
Its called desert owasits
west silo
Read it
gilded mason
The ending just made me wish I never read it to begin with lol
west silo
Humans are the real monsters
cedar surge
Wow bro that's so deep
west silo
The ending just made me wish I never read it to begin with lol
@gilded mason
The girl got good character development
cedar surge
Now let me put it in my 10GB folder full of that cliche
west silo
Its pretty much why I can't get into star trek that cliche
cedar surge
Yea guys
Humanity is the monster
Not the race that eats and tortures whole galaxies
west silo
These monsters are going to kills humanity but if we protect our selves were no better than them
cedar surge
I'm glad b ungie didn't make hood magically forgive the elites
west silo
343 didn't either tho
cedar surge
But then we have people just working around elites like its no problem
Didn't say that
gilded mason
Hood's actually a huge Thel fanboy these days.
cedar surge
Really
gilded mason
Ye
stiff creek
Kek
west silo
Oh come on
gilded mason
Nah, it's nice
stiff creek
He decked out his wheelchair in Arbiter esque designs.
west silo
He dedicated an entire planet to him obviously
cedar surge
Oh hood got wheels now?
stiff creek
Probably.
west silo
Rosbash world?
gilded mason
Nah, he's back to walking unassisted
stiff creek
Oh, good.
cedar surge
You were right the first time
Anyone who hadn't riden in a warthog is not apart of the unsc
And have we seen hood in a warthog?
No
Therefore he is weak
cedar surge
No
gilded mason
But you said
west silo
Keyes was never in a warthog
stiff creek
Hoodhog
west silo
:^)
@gilded mason.
Hood is the UNSC
stiff creek
If you join the UNSC you don't fight for Earth, or peace.
You fight for Hood.
gilded mason
Because they mean opposite things
cedar surge
You know I have a great idea
stiff creek
Hood worship
cedar surge
Every Spartan should get hit by a warthog as part as training
west silo
Every Spartan should get hit by a warthog as part as training
@cedar surge
They had worst in training
cedar surge
To tough them up for the battlefield
A marine won't care if they run over a spartan
@west silo ok then
Get hit by a pelican
cedar surge
Gotta prepare them for crash landings
west silo
Better get hit by a planet
stiff creek
Be solo fired on by a ring.
cedar surge
Getting composed
stiff creek
cedar surge
Getting a nuke fired on them
west silo
Arm wrestle a star road
cedar surge
Getting a pat on the back from two hunters