I like to think so.
#lore-and-universe
gilded mason
cedar surge
Maybe for another covenant remnant
gilded mason
I feel like they'd probably join the SoS
cedar surge
Im all for covenant remnants actually having different designs
And not the same design over and over that its hard to tell any remnant apart
craggy sierra
Even if they did survive, they’d probably change clothes and not be wearing their weird re-breather mask things anymore.
terse lava
that was only for the operation at the gas mine
craggy sierra
My point was that if they got out their “design” wouldn’t be the same
Since they seemed to only be in gear tailored to their specific circumstances at the time.
It’d be like expecting a construction worker to still be wearing a safety vest after moving towns for 6 years and changing careers to a lawyer.
terse lava
indeed, I would be with Ostral that they would likely join the SOS, we do know they had a camp at Basis
fair hazel
Thel 'Vadam did apologize to the family of certain members too and offered place in SoS
cedar surge
Yea I killed your sons sorry bout that do you want to live in my nation
So how is the arbiter currently standing among elites
Do most still respect him
gilded mason
Sanghelios was completely under his control by the end of the Sunioun mission
And many other colonies followed him
cedar surge
I wonder if he has more colonies than the unsc
The covenant got very fractured so there must be hundreds of elite factions
gilded mason
Probably
feral stirrup
the civil war thing makes sense. but the elites should feel remorse for what they did to the humans
gilded mason
Many do
feral stirrup
after literally genociding them. I wonder how other elite commanders feel
for the actions they made
that's what made OG halo best halo
a enemy you once fought vigorously and often times hated.
eventually turns around after getting betrayed by a life long path they've been brainwashed into
and then becomes your best ally and saves you in the long run
cedar surge
In evolutions a elite comes back to the colony of algolis which he glassed. Looking for a new meaning to life
feral stirrup
the best stories ever made often have that type of story telling because it's so relative to how we behave as primates
gilded mason
Kholo, not Algolis
feral stirrup
yeah i saw evolutions. Criminally underrated video that was barely pushed. thought it was better than the other evolutions videos
cedar surge
Out of every evolutions that one is my favorite
feral stirrup
they never gave a sequel to that video though about what he did to the human and how he interrogated him
feral stirrup
but the story fit perfectly into essence of what halo should be if it where a sequel
halo 4 completely killed the mystery of the forerunners. you need a plot narrative driven by mystery to keep things interesting
cedar surge
I wonder if there were any grunt veterans that survives the whole war
Can a grunt even live that long
terse lava
I don't mind the reveal of the Forerunners that much, their sense of mystery was replaced by the Precursors
cedar surge
If anything prometheans need more lore
terse lava
I don't see why not, with how large the unggoy population was, I could see some surviving the entire war
gilded mason
I'd have rathered Forerunners stayed in the background
cedar surge
Compared to the covenant the prometheans themselves barely have any lore
terse lava
they wouldn't get any deep lore, they were once ancient flesh and blood forerunner soldiers and primitive humans
that's it
cedar surge
That's the enemy you have to fight for two games
terse lava
yes?
gilded mason
No
gilded mason
Why would ya think grunts became crawlers?
gilded mason
No
terse lava
not at all
cedar surge
Do prometheans types themselves have lore?
Like specific prometheans fight specific flood forms?
Like a anti gravemind promthean
terse lava
eh..kinda
the soldiers from halo 5 were once used by forerunners as boarding parties when attacking human vessels
the crawlers were used to swarm into flood hives, taking the brunt of any enemy force befoe actual warrior-servants moved in
vague scroll
it's kind of hard to make a weapon designed to fight a very specific threat
lore would never fit gameplay anyway
but on that note, how the heck do you design a Forerunner drone that fights a planet-sized network of sentient vines?
terse lava
well the incineration cannon was used to take down areas thought to hold graveminds
cedar surge
Simple
terse lava
nuke from orbit? nuke the star you mean
vague scroll
nuke your star indeed...
cedar surge
You make a planet sized promethean
cedar surge
Pacific rim 2:electric boogaloo
vague scroll
no more like gurren laggan
terse lava
was just about to say that
vague scroll
with galaxy-sized mechas
cedar surge
Who wouldn't want a planet sized peomthean
terse lava
Massive multi-light year forerunner mech vs Precursor collective in the form of star roads
cedar surge
One chop and the gravemind is dead
terse lava
you also lose the planet you were trying to save
vague scroll
I'm definitely not hiring you as my defense secretary if I became a prime minister for a country
terse lava
"Emperor Tide, for the crimes of draining the oceans, causing a planetary war, and kicking puppies, we sentence you to a lifetime of cleaning highway rest rest stops"
vague scroll
I plead guilty on all accounts
terse lava
"in that case, your sentence shall be increased, you shall clean the bathrooms of every taco bell in the world for all your waking days"
vague scroll
no wait go back go back
cedar surge
you see a man with a jacket with ONI sign on the back approaching you menacingly
terse lava
ONI agent just hands over a small hat and a mop bucket good luck buddy
cedar surge
Man being a marine must suck
Every faction outside of the unsc wants you dead
Spartans keeping taking your stuff
west silo
And u suck at driving
cedar surge
Can't go to the bathroom without being stalked by a oni agent
Sounds like a you problem buddy
west silo
Autocorrect is funny sometimes
cedar surge
Are the odsts still under oni
lethal comet
They're NavSpecWep like spartans but are marines with a little bit of influence from ONI
dense pulsar
Did assassinating prophets actually do anything?
gilded mason
Not really, no.
dense pulsar
Actually, would Operation Red Flag even make the Covenant chill?
gilded mason
Nope
lethal comet
Before H2 assassinating or kidnapping a prophet would have made a big difference
fair hazel
Kidnapping all 3
lethal comet
Truth became cold towards the other prophets because he had already used them
after h2
versed helm
Wasn't there a Prophet of Stewardship?
lethal comet
There are many prophets
fair hazel
Spartan-IIs board and infiltrate the long night of solace and take it home
gilded mason
Yes, attached to Thel's fleet
lethal comet
Only three high prophets aka hierarchs
fair hazel
infilitrate high charity and capture all 3 hierarchs
gilded mason
He regularly undermined Thel's authority
fair hazel
I wonder what would happen then
lethal comet
High charity would blow them as soon as they exited slipspace
High charity's defenses didn't even hesitate to kill friendlies if they didn't give the codes in time
In Amber Clad only got through because of the schism
versed helm
In Halo 2, the San'Shyuum who shouted "It was Heresy," that was the Prophet of Objection, correct?
fair hazel
except with cortana, it is asumed that they'd give the codes..
versed helm
?
gilded mason
I assumed you were making a joke.
versed helm
this is awkward
gilded mason
...But apparently it's real
versed helm
I was reading the script for Halo 2 because me and my friends love to quote it, and that line caught my attention
fair hazel
as in, reference to what you were thinking
gilded mason
Ah, all right
Now, what I wonder is: if all three hierarchs suddenly lost their positions for one reason or another, and a new set took up the mantle...would MB try setting the record straight again if he could?
versed helm
Mendicant Bias?
gilded mason
Ye
gilded mason
I imagine he might try for a more subdued approach the second time, as to not scare these new guys off
versed helm
One thing I would like is a Halo game/comic that takes place on Installation 02 because that ring appears to be mostly ocean.
dense pulsar
Before Halo 2 tho, had they managed to kidnap the prophets, War over or Covenant goes "Great Journey waits for no one lmao"?
gilded mason
The latter. New prophets can always take up the position.
terse lava
Well I would expect rescue missions to be attempted by the Covenant as well
I don't think they would elect a new trio right off the bat
gilded mason
True
Though if Truth or maybe Regret weren't among those kidnapped, I could see them attempt to get it swept under the rug.
terse lava
I can only childishly now think of ONI talking to Mercy and getting nothing but sterotype old person complaints
gilded mason
lol
dense pulsar
What would the UNSC even ask for to ensure the Covenant doesn't attack again if they got the Prophets back?
terse lava
"Truce or they die" or bluff them and claim they have the location of a halo?
gilded mason
They wouldn't know what a Halo was if Red Flag went off correctly
terse lava
they would if they talked to the hierarchs enough
gilded mason
True
terse lava
The more I think on it, the more I believe the Covenant may actually halt the war just to save the hierarchs. It was said that they and the council planned on being present on halo to start the great journey. Perhaps covenant theology says only the hierarchs have the "divine touch" to do it with the index
sure you could elect a new batch to do it as well perhaps, but from their standpoint...don't see the forerunners being too happy with such a big sin
lethal comet
They wouldn't know what a Halo was if Red Flag went off correctly
@gilded mason Nope
The freighter Floral Express found Gamma Halo after escaping from Battle of Tribute at around the same time when the Autumn found alpha
vague scroll
Well the operative phrase is “if Red Flag went off correctly”
I don’t really think Red Flag was intended to include an invasion of the Epsilon Eridani System
gilded mason
It never found the ring itself, it only found scans that matched a Halo ring
And ONI only knew that the scans meant something because they had Cortana's data from 04
(Though I always felt the way 03 was "found" was incredibly silly to begin with)
Also what Tide said.
vague scroll
03’s discovery was certainly silly under close scrutiny due to the supposed necessary distances needed to make the Halo array’s blast radius practical
Unless the halo universe in the Milky Way is a lot smaller than it seems, having 03, 05, and 04 all on Earth’s door step does feel weird
gilded mason
05 was actually nearly on the other side of the galaxy
harsh skiff
So i have a question about the arbiter in halo 2 when he gets his armor removed and gets attacked by the glowing stick by tartarus. Why cant we see the arbiter's weiner does he not have one?
gilded mason
He has a slit
lethal comet
Imagine making jump into a system with a ring out of thousands of systems
vague scroll
Great we’re in a Tenny tiny galaxy
gilded mason
Indeed. It's just way too improbable
harsh skiff
so arbiter is female???!!
gilded mason
No
lethal comet
So i have a question about the arbiter in halo 2 when he gets his armor removed and gets attacked by the glowing stick by tartarus. Why cant we see the arbiter's weiner does he not have one?
@harsh skiff Look up reptilian reproduction
lethal comet
Sangheili are oviparous
harsh skiff
but he is an alien not a reptile
vague scroll
They’re sauropods, closer to dinosaurs
If you really need to say it, they’re reptilian in nature
lethal comet
I just meant reproduction
harsh skiff
so is it canon that in the halo universe there is caviar made from elite eggs
gilded mason
No
vague scroll
They lay eggs and Thel ‘Vadam is certainly male and doesn’t lays eggs
harsh skiff
Elite Caviar confirmed
lethal comet
Strange that San shyuum babies are called pups
harsh skiff
they are dogs
harsh skiff
thats like saying cows are too big to be eaten just cut it
viral apex
but if you crack an egg open and fry them u can eat them that way
lethal comet
Then it isnt caviar
viral apex
just like fried chicken
vague scroll
grumbles Don’t eat the alien eggs please, they are from a different biosphere and may be incompatible with your digestive system
lethal comet
And Elite eggs are fertilised
gilded mason
No no, let them die. It'll be a learning experience.
vague scroll
That’s a good point
harsh skiff
so is there a limit to how big of a monstrosity can be made with hunter worms or is it possible to have like a planet sized hunter worm ball
vague scroll
Free demonstration everyone, here try an egg - if you don’t die of an alien condition, you can deal with the brood mothers killing you
lethal comet
Yes there is a limit
viral apex
Why did Kat from Reach die from one headshot, has to be the worst death in Halo Lore
lethal comet
Nutritional requirements are directly proportional to size for lekgolo
harsh skiff
as a prank noble team thought it would be funny to disable her shields
vague scroll
No explanation for that, working theory is that radiation knocked out the Spartans shields @viral apex
lethal comet
Why did Kat from Reach die from one headshot, has to be the worst death in Halo Lore
She didn't activate energy shields
vague scroll
There’s literally no explanation but calling it worst death in the series is kind of disingenuous. Sure it’s without precedent but it’s not without purpose, if anything it just reinforces that Spartans aren’t invincible killing machines.
harsh skiff
the 30 million mundguns of energy messed with her brain waves, causing her to have a brain malfunction it is a very subtle hint by bungie you can hear kat's voice begin to slur after the glass shatters and this is a hint to why she forgot to activate her shields. Her brain was not strong enough for the energy
viral apex
Emile killed elites, George took out a ship, and carter killed a scarab those are great deaths
Kat just boom headshot dead, terrible death
vague scroll
Killed by a Zealot sharpshooter for the record
viral apex
thanks @harsh skiff for the explanation
lethal comet
It takes time to recharge shields once you activate them
harsh skiff
you forget that kat had a great death because she dies while saying a sentence unlike any other noble team member
dense pulsar
The deaths in Reach are pretty ironic tho
lethal comet
And she had just put on her helmet
dense pulsar
Heavy weapons man dies in a big boom
Captain goes down with his ship
Jun doesn't die but he just disappears
Lone wolf dies alone
lethal comet
What did that poor scarab ever do
It just wanted to say hi
viral apex
how was Kats iconic @dense pulsar
harsh skiff
it is so ironic the smart one gets her brains mixed by a pink needle symbolizing pink means girl and needle meaning sharp object
lethal comet
They shot out the intel expert's brain
dense pulsar
Yea
lethal comet
Blamite do be powerful tho
viral apex
Kat got to be the worst spartan
lethal comet
It must have exploded in her brain
Kat got to be the worst spartan
@viral apex What makes you say that
dense pulsar
Why do they take off their helmets tho?
harsh skiff
so we could see thier faces
dense pulsar
You never see Master Chief do that and he's a hyper lethal vector
lethal comet
Would you wear a helmet for days at a time
dense pulsar
I was always under the impression that spartans are just war machines
viral apex
thats why the chief will live forever
lethal comet
You never see Master Chief do that and he's a hyper lethal vector
All spartans are classified as hyper lethal vector
viral apex
there is actually a training vidoe for spartans now and they play Kats death
and say never r3emove ur helmet
dense pulsar
Well
Tbf
In real military alot of training and rules are written in blood
if theres a rule or regulation
vague scroll
Strange Palmer and Thorne enjoy taking off their helmet
harsh skiff
they took off their hemets so they could play catch with them while they waited in the middle of a highly occupied enemy zone it is actually a very intelligent decision by noble team to take off their helmets because it allowed them to get rid of kat, their most useless member.
dense pulsar
its because someone got hurt or messed something up
lethal comet
Didn't palmer once kill a elite by beating it with her helmet
gilded mason
And Hoya
vague scroll
It’s sci fi, you’re reading too much into it
Helmet coming off is just rule of cool
lethal comet
Chief takes his helmet off as well
vague scroll
There’s another helmet underneath
dense pulsar
I could accept that if in-universe Spartans weren't supposed to be "the best of the best"
lethal comet
ayy
viral apex
Dont u ever talk about Palmer again
lethal comet
There’s another helmet underneath
That cutscene was the best
viral apex
she is second worst spartan
lethal comet
Palmer had potential to be a great character
dense pulsar
Whos like the 3rd best spartan tho?
lethal comet
Whos like the 3rd best spartan tho?
@dense pulsar Buck
dense pulsar
Idk
lethal comet
Nobody beats Buck
vague scroll
You’re not supposed to accept it, that’s the whole point of rule of cool - you ignore it because you enjoy it enough to do so. Sure it doesn’t work for everyone but for most people they don’t care, suspension disbelief isn’t really that hard to maintain
dense pulsar
Buck is more of an ODST to me than a Spartan
vague scroll
1337 is non-canon, just for the record : 3
harsh skiff
so after halo 4 it is assumed that chief takes off his armor and does some other things. Does this mean that master chief hit up the club and if so does chief get laid?
dense pulsar
Nah
vague scroll
Odd One Out is an intentional parody of Dragon Ball Z
dense pulsar
he probably slept and ate MREs
lethal comet
Spartan IIs are still kinda virgins
vague scroll
Made by the anime studio who made DBZ, it’s intentional cringe
dense pulsar
Spartan IIs don't have time for netflix and chill
harsh skiff
I think that master chief went straight to the beach to get some sun on his pasty white skin
vague scroll
Randall-037 had a daughter, guess that means he grew up huh
harsh skiff
been in that suit for so long not good for the skin
vague scroll
One up the Chief
lethal comet
According to the books Chief is as pale as a ghost
lethal comet
been in that suit for so long not good for the skin
@harsh skiff Spartan IIs prefer mjolnir over no mjolnir, most of the time
dense pulsar
I assume it's a psychological thing for them
I mean, Chief himself probably views himself seperate from humanity at this point
lethal comet
For all we know Chief can be peeing at any given time because he is cathetherized
dense pulsar
True
harsh skiff
never forget that the suit can do the nasty to his pp
west silo
Thats fake
lethal comet
Can't do that while hes cathetherized
And Spartan IIs don't really release many sexual hormones due to their augmentation
west silo
Well wasn't it more of a side effect than a guarantee
dense pulsar
I wouldn't be surprised if ONI was like "Yeah, we don't want him to start taking women for his own so make it do things to him in his sleep"
lethal comet
yeah side effect in some spartans
west silo
I wouldn't be surprised if ONI was like "Yeah, we don't want him to start taking women for his own so make it do things to him in his sleep"
@dense pulsar
Girls are quite literally the last thing on chief minds
teal anvil
Fr tho
lethal comet
Still in the process of indoctrination they must have been taught to suppress desires
harsh skiff
so do the shields have a limit on what it can and cant block
west silo
Nope
harsh skiff
because if some one tells Cheif to catch something wouldnt it bounce off his shields
he cant catch things anymore
lethal comet
The shields are disabled on the palms and soles
west silo
because if some one tells Cheif to catch something wouldnt it bounce off his shields
@harsh skiff
It does he has to power down the shields in certain areas
lethal comet
His guns would protect his palms
west silo
so if they shoot his hands he will be done for
@harsh skiff
No just how thick the shields is
harsh skiff
when he throws a grenade why dont the jackal snipers shoot his hands off
dense pulsar
I remember something in a novel were a flood form was going to infect Chief but Cortana redirected power in the suit to stop it
west silo
Cause Spartans can bullet time
Sometimes
lethal comet
You try shooting a 4 to 5 cm target from a few meters
harsh skiff
also if they knew that master chief is the biggest threat to the covenant why didnt they just nuke him once they found out his location
west silo
I remember something in a novel were a flood form was going to infect Chief but Cortana redirected power in the suit to stop it
@dense pulsar
The flood bad book with an interesting side story
dense pulsar
Because Master Chief is usually around Covenant ground forces
Would you nuke massive swaths of your army for one guy?
lethal comet
When there adrenaline starts pumping everthing around them slows down for them
west silo
also if they knew that master chief is the biggest threat to the covenant why didnt they just nuke him once they found out his location
@harsh skiff
They would have damaged forerunner artifacts and thats a big no no
harsh skiff
its the biggest army ever and its not like master chief was being stealthy whatsoever so radio to the ship and blow the entire area up they will lose some troops but they kill the most important person
lethal comet
Their reaction time becomes so low that it cant be measured
dense pulsar
What about the ramifications from that tho?
"The covenant clearly doesn't care about us so lets start a new sect"
west silo
When there adrenaline starts pumping everthing around them slows down for them
@lethal comet
There reaction times and are in the milliseconds right
harsh skiff
@harsh skiff
They would have damaged forerunner artifacts and thats a big no no
@west silo they literally lasered the area in the cutscene after chief kills regret
lethal comet
@lethal comet
There reaction times and are in the milliseconds right
@west silo without adrenaline
When in combat its off the charts
west silo
@west silo they literally lasered the area in the cutscene after chief kills regret
@harsh skiff
He just killed a prophet that time basically his threat level went from 50 to 1000
lethal comet
Since the prophet was already dead what did they have to lose
west silo
They can her a pin drop in a sandstorm
harsh skiff
every problem for the covenent would have been solved if they dropped everything they were doing and focused on the master chief
harsh skiff
its not like they were losing the war
lethal comet
NO
dense pulsar
George, you say this, but I think the UNSC would take advantage of that
lethal comet
All coop except 3 and 5 are non canon
harsh skiff
no
dense pulsar
Imagine if they focused on one guy
west silo
every problem for the covenent would have been solved if they dropped everything they were doing and focused on the master chief
@harsh skiff
That's the covenants flaw there basically a bunch of statics in space
dense pulsar
And the UNSC just did whatever it wanted
lethal comet
Spartans may be strong
but orbital defense platforms are stronger
lethal comet
They YOLOd it
lethal comet
Regret's ship went yolo and straight up ignored the super macs
stable anvil
That planet was their higgest shipyard
harsh skiff
im just saying when they see master chief the elite radios in "demon here i will die so nuke my area and ensure his defeat" then the shipmaster says "ok that is a sacrifice i am willing to make because he is literally single handedly killing everyone"
west silo
Reach did get bodied but half a fleet for one planet?
@dense pulsar
Humanitys strongest military stronghold u mean
lethal comet
If it wasnt for the shipmaster being a coward
dense pulsar
George, you say this, but military personnel are still valuable resources
They usually are qualified in more than one thing in combat
harsh skiff
not compared to the size of the covenent fleet
stable anvil
But without the shipyards ship production is much slower
west silo
Chief would have died there
@lethal comet
Wasn't he like 17 or something
dense pulsar
It takes time to train someone for a job and then make sure they get the correct quals
lethal comet
He was in his late 20s or early 30s in the package
harsh skiff
this is assuming that earth is the only colony left because in halo 3 that old dude say earth is all they have left
west silo
He was in his late 20s or early 30s in the package
@lethal comet
I really don't even know how they got halsey
stable anvil
There was that op in 2525, and the package is 2552 so he probs about late 30s
lethal comet
Her shuttle was captured and the covenant thought she must have been a valuable asset
west silo
this is assuming that earth is the only colony left because in halo 3 that old dude say earth is all they have left
@harsh skiff
Remember when it also said chief was the only Spartan
lethal comet
the package wasnt in 2552
gilded mason
2544
dense pulsar
Are the spartan 4s any better than 3s?
lethal comet
They have personalities
west silo
Are the spartan 4s any better than 3s?
@dense pulsar
There about equal really
gilded mason
In terms of raw strength, 3s have 'em beat out of armor
west silo
The armor goes along way
lethal comet
And 3s don't need tune ups from time to time
gilded mason
Ye
dense pulsar
spi armor looks kinda cool ngl
lethal comet
Kelly broke the reflective plates on Ash's SPI iirc
west silo
Pretty sure it was during the sparing when Kelly first met them
harsh skiff
why do grunts have such large forearms what evolutionary advantage would a grunt get from having a larger forearm than a larger upper arm
west silo
why do grunts have such large forearms what evolutionary advantage would a grunt get from having a larger forearm than a larger upper arm
@harsh skiff
Because game
harsh skiff
it is actually a disadvantage to grunts
west silo
And there basically crabs
lethal comet
Can't live on the floor of swamps
west silo
Especially when every year the planet is trying to kill ya
west silo
Doesn't the planet also have a bunch of earthquakes every year or something
lethal comet
ngl Halsey in The Package looks too much like a anime girl
gilded mason
anime, not even once
west silo
ngl Halsey in The Package looks too much like a anime girl
@lethal comet
It was made by Japanese what did u expect
No offense
lethal comet
Like making Halsey a blonde, really
lethal comet
And The Package has too many lore inconsistencies
west silo
And The Package has too many lore inconsistencies
@lethal comet
Green brute blood
gilded mason
Package also had Kelly wearing heels and a breastplate
west silo
And that
west silo
Wasn't it a prototype like red teams
gilded mason
John had no idea that shielding for Mjolnir was possible before he tried Mark V in 2552
lethal comet
Wasn't it a prototype like red teams
@west silo Spartan IIs except black and red team got their energy shields in 2552
west silo
CCS class don't have that much weaponry
@lethal comet
Well this was before the new lore came out
lethal comet
Even Noble got shields before spartan IIs
Noble team got their MKV in 2551
But theirs didnt have AI housing
west silo
And originally covenant ships only had plasma tops and glassing cannons in the old lore
lethal comet
They had anti aircraft guns and Ventral beams
west silo
Plus weren't most of those weapons in the package point defense guns
west silo
Okay happy gaming
fair hazel
CCS does have a lot of weapons.
Pulse laser turrets
And only some visual stuff and minor stuff like that is non cannon
west silo
Dang the CAS has 900 guns and most of them are PD lasers
earnest palm
Hey I just joined this server today. My friend and I had been discussing a theory, but I wasn't sure if it was something others believed or could even be plausible so I was wondering if anybody would be willing to give me their opinion on it
"The IsoDidact stated that the Forerunners would cease their participation in the affairs of the galaxy and exile themselves, although they both hoped that their descendants would meet each other some day. Riser responded by hoping their descendants would reunite and act like brothers, making trouble and finding strength together"
Could Chief be the descendant of Riser and Arbiter be the descendant of the Iso-Didact's son?
gilded mason
That's...just a bit too implausible for me.
west silo
Arbiters an elies?
That's...just a bit too implausible for me.
@gilded mason
Most likely it would be the geas spark was looking for in renegades
earnest palm
As far as I'm aware, we don't know the origin/evolution of the elites. I wasn't sure if there was anything that specifically made this theory impossible. I think the last we knew of Iso-Didact's family was just that he had a son. Over 100,000 years could be long enough for them to branch off into the Sanghelli
lethal comet
Sangheili already existed before halo's firing
IDK why a forerunner would want to become a sangheili
gilded mason
100,000 years is very short on an evolutionary scale
lethal comet
Sangheili were already a thing then
gilded mason
Ye
earnest palm
Yeah if they were already in existence then it would definitely be implausible
lethal comet
Maybe a few geas on the catalogued ones on the ark maybe
earnest palm
Unless they got some inter-species fornication going on lol
lethal comet
I definitely believe that the Librarian put Geas on humans, sangheili and San shyuum
Human geas lead to spartans
earnest palm
So still not impossible, just a bit of a stretch
west silo
I definitely believe that the Librarian put Geas on humans, sangheili and San shyuum
@lethal comet
Pretty much just humans
cedar surge
Then why wouldn't they also be able to use forerunner tech as easily as humans
earnest palm
It just seemed like such an odd thing to include, about their descendants fighting as brothers and causing trouble if it weren't alluding to Chief and Arbiter. It fits nicely in a narrative aspect at least (to me)
west silo
Nothing really hints she did it for the others
earnest palm
But wasn't really sure if it fit the lore
lethal comet
Why place mendicant in control of a keyship
west silo
Then why wouldn't they also be able to use forerunner tech as easily as humans
@cedar surge
Geas can also just be like an soul of ancestors or something
lethal comet
Why leave so many forerunner ruins on sanghelios and san sahuum home world
west silo
Why leave so many forerunner ruins on sanghelios and san sahuum home world
@lethal comet
They couldn't clean it up galaxy spanning war hello
Why place mendicant in control of a keyship
@lethal comet
Mendicent somehow took control of one
lethal comet
@lethal comet
They couldn't clean it up galaxy spanning war hello
@west silo Why not on Earth
west silo
@west silo Why not on Earth
@lethal comet
Uhh
lethal comet
Earth didnt have any forerunner cheat sheets for humans
west silo
The ark portable was supposed to bring humanity there
dense pulsar
The forerunners thought humans we're the next best thing after them but since they fought a war, they were probably still salty
west silo
Dang onyx was all for the humans they just got the password wrong
lethal comet
Maybe they knew if everyone started on even ground then the humans would end up having an advantage
So give the sangheili and san shyuum cheat sheets to staay ahead
The Librarian meant something when she said "A thousand Lifetimes planning"
dense pulsar
what if halo was just a documentary
inner basin
Then my whole life is a lie
But it also probably wouldn't go down well with the community
Dang onyx was all for the humans they just got the password wrong
I don't think that's what it was. Humanity had Onyx, it's just when Chief destroyed I-04 the Sentinels stationed there went agro on the humans there
lethal comet
They didn't go agro immidiately
Ash failed the test
So they fired on the 'fake' reclaimers
inner basin
Well if we want to get technical. I just woke up like 10 mins ago so give me a break
lethal comet
Del rio just woke up
inner basin
Del Rio is woke AF (As Fudge)
lethal comet
Del Rio just needs some love
inner basin
I mean I think he was a character who wasn't supposed to be liked
nimble crest
Del rio is from a different timeline where the marine that chief yeeted into the pod lives and escaped 04 and gets promoted and is an angwy boy forever
inner basin
A Marine can't get promoted to a Captain in the Navy. That's not how that works
inner basin
But you said Del Rio (as in the one in our timeline) is from a different timeline. What happens to him in this alternate timeline doesn't transfer over to ours
nimble crest
Dude it was a joke maybe he and chips dubbo opened a rift in space and came to our timeline
inner basin
Well I mean you said something that was quite ridiculous, so I followed up with something responsible. If you're gonna make up something crazy, you could at least run with it
nimble crest
😐
lethal comet
Well only reason Del Rio became captain was because he could keep quiet while Infinity was in development
Lasky was Parangosky's choice
But he didn't have high enough rank the first time around
lethal comet
Not really
versed helm
How so?
its like an entry-only TRON world
Leaving the world in TRON is pretty difficult.
nimble crest
TRON?
versed helm
Mhmm.
nimble crest
Any y’all good at basic photoshop? I’m dumb
lethal comet
really basic then yes
nimble crest
Like you know the camera feed thing that was in ODST and reach that the superintendent was on?
lethal comet
?
nimble crest
You remember from ODST when the camera showed veronicas helmet fly through the air and land in the building? The camera that was recording it
wispy wasp
What's the reason in reach that you sometimes see from the prospective of a camera in the cutscenes?
nimble crest
Dots view I guess?
wispy wasp
Security cameras like in the package
carmine sleet
What's the reason in reach that you sometimes see from the prospective of a camera in the cutscenes?
It was Bungie trying to be more interesting with the camera angles in cutscenes
wispy wasp
Ok, so just creative liberty
carmine sleet
Basically
jolly furnace
Aye seeing the Domain in H5 near the end made me think of the Grid from TRON Legacy
Ok as for inter-species reproduction, Halo isn't that soft when it comes to its sci-fi. I doubt even humans and Forerunners with their genetic code similarities could produce a hybrid.
Sangheili already existed in Forerunner era
So Sangheili are not a evolutionary off shoot of Forerunners
I mean one is reptilian
The other is mammalian.
As for MC being related to an AH. We know he'd be related to an AH who was devolved like all current humans are.
Greg Bear hinted prior to Primordium's release that he may be related genetically to a character in that book
orchid prism
What's that giant animal named in Nightfall level of Reach?
jolly furnace
Moa?
terse lava
Guta
jolly furnace
Ah yah them
paper hedge
HBD Buck
flat swift
weren't the children that were stolen for the Spartan 2 program cloned or something like that?
versed helm
Yes
flat swift
Where are the Clones?
gilded mason
They're dead
terse lava
Human cloning is not perfect. The clones died within several months due to genetic abnormalities
cedar surge
Couldn't you just flash clone a brain,turn it into a AI and not have to wait till somebody is dead
humble yacht
That’s illegal
fair hazel
And unethical
Also it was more than simply brains she cloned
Like I said. More than just brains. You need to grow the rest
versed helm
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think the ends justified the means when ONI kidnapped children
humble yacht
I’m sure you and Halsey would get along
gilded mason
Or rather, would have
fair hazel
Will have?
versed helm
I mean, if ONI and Halsey didnt do what they did, humanity would be extinct
gilded mason
The UEG/UNSC let it get to that point in the first place
Instead of actually trying to address colonial concerns
versed helm
Seems like a needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
Situation
I thought the Innies started bombing innocents first
humble yacht
Ultimately the Spartans being useful against the covenant was a happy accident
versed helm
But without the Spartans, humanity would have lost, which (imo) justifies the Spartan II program
humble yacht
Welp that’s why there are different views on philosophy
You take the utilitarian approach
versed helm
Its not the utilitarian approach, its the natural approach. Its within our natural insticts to keep humanity from going extinct
That includes taking drastic measures
humble yacht
Ends justify the means is basically the definition of utilitarianism
terse lava
Even the Covenant went by that rule
"Their decision to wipe out humanity is debated to this day"
Not really a great idea to put into practice
versed helm
If ONI didnt do what they did, humanity would have become extinct. ONIs actions saved the human race. I dont see how most people could take the position that would have the entire human race (and all other races) destroyed forever
terse lava
ONI are hardly heros
orchid prism
The spartan program was a coincidence for humanity's survival.
versed helm
But it still saved the human race
terse lava
Dont forget they killed millions of humans due to causing a civil war for the Sangheili
versed helm
How did they kill millions of humans?
terse lava
Meddled in sangheili politics, ended up causing Jul to seek vengeance against humanity as a whole and the didact being released
versed helm
The didact being released is Chiefs fault, not ONI's
And trying to postion humanity as top dogs isnt that bad imo
terse lava
Kinda is if you screw over your sole allies who are still more powerful then you
Had they simply helped back the SOS rather then play both sides, I would think humanity as a whole would have been better off
versed helm
Well humanity did use the Infinity to help out the SOS take total control of Sangelios iirc
fair hazel
Far isle bombing
terse lava
Also humanity didnt help Thel take sangheilios, he pretty much did that on his own. Closest they came to helping was test running the Infinity's MAC on an enemy army outside of Vadam Keep
terse lava
They also destroyed some of his frigates
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
So far as I am concerned, ONI can go rot in a hole
inner basin
I highly rated ONI during the HCW. Post-war however is a different story
terse lava
Think the only thing I liked out of ONI may have been the SIII
orchid prism
@terse lava same
versed helm
ONI still saved humanity soooooo 🤷♂️
terse lava
No, Thel saved humanity, Cole saved humanity, Whitcomb/Harverson saved humanity, chief saved humanity
Although Harverson was an ONI agent so will give that one
humble yacht
You cannot attribute the Spartans successes to ONI
That’s like when parents try to live vicariously through their children
orchid prism
We don't do that here.
ONI bad.
terse lava
Would say more we have not been shown much good from them
humble yacht
ONI is a necessary evil but shouldn’t be praised or celebrated
terse lava
Pretty much
Hm, think any remaining covenant from at the ark battle attempted to get to the halo?
humble yacht
If they did it wouldn’t matter
terse lava
True
main siren
They were sterilized when the Elites partially glassed Installation 05
terse lava
Well there were likely still flood running amoke below the surface of the ring
inner basin
Basically the Flood on Installation-05 have been quarantined and those that were roaming free were sterilised
fair hazel
I like ONI in the way they’re interesting and stuff and fun story wise
cedar surge
Hey wait a second
The banished glass the ark and get murked by setinals
But when the SoS do it they are fine
gilded mason
When did the SoS do it?
terse lava
Delta halo
cedar surge
Installation 05
gilded mason
Ain't the Ark. :^)
cedar surge
Why do the elites get a free pass
gilded mason
Also 'cause Elites are bae
cedar surge
Zuko would be proud
terse lava
In seriousness, delta was already damaged so no defense sentinels
cedar surge
I wish we get to see that big setinal from halo 2 again
terse lava
Big sentinel? The enforcer?
terse lava
Yep
inner basin
Please don't say "grabby bits" again. It doesn't sound right
fringe robin
g r a b b y b i t s
plain sierra
who was the elite that atriox killed in wars 2 cutscene
fair hazel
The one who was sent to execute him
plain sierra
with the blood blade
humble yacht
The Executioner
cedar surge
Yea but what is his name though
unique rune
None has been given
cedar surge
So for any elite for living in the UNSC are there any laws specifically made for them
gilded mason
Unknown
cedar surge
Can't see to many humans happy with elite living with them barely half a decade after the war
gilded mason
Guess it'd mainly depend on high close to the action those humans were
cedar surge
Outer colonists then
gilded mason
Though you'd also wonder how many people from those colonies that got invaded actually survived to actually harbor hatred
cedar surge
Was it inner or outer that had the most surviving colonies
versed helm
I believe it was the outer colonies.
cedar surge
Really?
Would have thought it was inner
Considering how many outer colonies got roasted
And unsc presence would slow the covenant more in the inner colonies
versed helm
Also remember how many colonies the Covenant weren't aware of.
cedar surge
If the ueg was to fall into civil war I think the ueg/UNSC would actually win compared to post war
I mean pre war
Because with new ship classes,hundreds of Spartans,experienced soldiers,and new vehicles I think the unsc would stomp the insurrection
versed helm
That's kind of obvious though.
cedar surge
Yes
But somehow insurrectionists keep managing to mess with the unsc
Heck they nearly captured and destroyed the infinity multiple times
How does this keep happening
Actually now do I think about it
versed helm
They have to make interesting stories somehow.
cedar surge
Do remnants hire human mercs to fight with them now
Like a remnant hirering a insurrectionists group to attack another remnant
Wonder if that insurrectionists fleet from the battle of PSI serpents is still around or got destroyed
versed helm
I wonder if any ex-Covenant members suffered from PTSD.
terse lava
quite likely, they are still mortal
and lack the fancy tech the forerunners would have to deal with such a thing
We do see a tiny bit of it in the Return, when the shipmaster quickly leaves the bunker filled with human skeletons and seek refuge further away rather then sleep in there
cedar surge
So what happened to the people who died in there
It couldn't have been glassing
Did the covenant storm the bunker?
terse lava
no they died from the glassing
cedar surge
What
terse lava
what?
cedar surge
If the bunker got glassed shouldnt have nothing been left?
terse lava
it wasn't directly glassed
but it was still on the surface rather than being an underground vault
cedar surge
So are underground vaults effective defending against glassing
feral stirrup
343's depiction of that elite in the hospital bed in halo 5 seemed way over the top
you're too honorable to have medical attention?
cedar surge
Yea that didn't make sense to me
feral stirrup
wouldn't you want to be fixed so you can get back out there and keep killing?
feral stirrup
yeah that to
i'd rather die on the battlefield as an elite
fix me up so i can get back out there and honor the arbiter
gilded mason
It's why I posit that only some of the more odd states are ones that shun medical treatment, and many others are perfectly fine with it or, at the very least, tolerate it. As seen within The Flood, Hunters in the Dark, and Silent Storm
terse lava
hm?
cedar surge
Because lastly,a regular human,was able to stagger one and it never even got to attack
That thing was heads and shoulders above Lasky and yet he still was able to jump on it and hit it in the face
And instead of attacking it screamed at him
cedar surge
These are the soldiers meant for fighting the flood and yes
plain sierra
why was locke vs chief a bad fight
cedar surge
They fought like guys at McDonalds
frank copper
Because the fight looked slow, unimpressive and weird
plain sierra
well they r kinda in like 1000 lb suits
frank copper
Then how is he doing backflips on a large enemy in The Halo 4 intro scene
terse lava
because of the augmentations his body had
frank copper
I know, I’m just saying that Spartans are shown to have cooler fights than the main one in Halo 5
craggy sierra
Cinematically the fight was kinda eh.
If this is another discussion about Spartan 4’s not being able to fight 2’s though then just don’t. It’s a canon fact that 4’s aren’t pushovers and that’s not changing.
plain sierra
i’m pretty sure they were both holding back that’s why they didn’t go nuts
unique rune
The “both were holding back” is a reasonable enough in-universe excuse but in general that was just a poorly done scene
livid current
That's all in the past. The real question is how in the world infinite is gonna deal with the Halo 5 ending.
cedar surge
I keep hearing that's its gonna be a soft reboot and characters won't mention what happens in 5
gilded mason
343 only ever said that it's a spiritual reboot, in that they'll try to capture the same wonder from CE as you try to figure things out
livid current
I'm not gonna lie: I was not a huge fan of the H5 plot, but I think the ending set up something that could be really cool. Just the idea of the Infinity on the run, not knowing how to fight as the Guardians chase them across space. That could at least make an awesome book, and maybe even a game of its own.
terse lava
feels like it would be rather repititive
livid current
Well maybe eventually they could actually figure out how to fight back
terse lava
well that's kind of expected to happen anyway...because HFA
plain sierra
how did the gravemind get on high charity cuz we see his tentacles at the end of halo 2
versed helm
He could have used a covenant vessel to fly himself to high charity
cedar surge
How would he transport his massive body out of the setinal wall and on to a ship
humble yacht
In chunks
livid current
I don’t know if there’s any real lore to back this up but I figured since gravemind is kind part of all the flood, a collection of flood forms could somehow form a physical vessel for gravemind wherever the need arose
craggy sierra
...no
plain sierra
lies for the weak
livid current
From Halo Waypoint “Evidence suggests that if the Gravemind is somehow removed from the collective that supports it, the remaining Flood will immediately begin working to establish yet another Gravemind.” I dunno. That cutscene was a truly awesome ending though.
terse lava
He likely put part of himself on the In Amber Clad which later rebuilt him on the station
cedar surge
Yea when a gravemind dies the flood goes feral
Though there are mentions of multiple gravemind during the flood forerunner war
Does that mean they are all really the same gravemind but different bodies or actual separate graveminds
humble yacht
Same gravemind,
If two graveminds talked to each other it would just be talking to itself
cedar surge
Ah so the gravemind got schizophrenia
Then would killing a gravemind make that much of a difference?
I thought a gravemind could control all flood in the galaxy
Sure you killed the one on your planet but there is still one 10 light years away controllimg the flood
humble yacht
Graveminds seem to have a max range of influence
Otherwise the flood on I04 wouldn’t have been in fetal stage
cedar surge
Maybe the forerunners had something to block a gravemind influence
But I doubt it
Something like that would have been very important in the war
Actually how did the gravemind in 2 form?
I don't think there is that much life on the rings
And its obvious it formed before anybody came there
humble yacht
It formed over a long period of time
Because Penitent Tangent ignored warning signs
cedar surge
So a monitor became lazy?
gilded mason
Yup
cedar surge
That's sounds like the worst type of person to leave in charge of the flood
More so a halo ring
humble yacht
Well they didn’t know he was lazy when they made him a monitor
cedar surge
Though I felt a tad bit bad that he got infected by the logic plague
craggy sierra
I wanna know how you be lethargic when you never have to feel like you expend energy
humble yacht
Uh, what makes you think that?
humble yacht
Just because he was captured doesn’t mean he was plagued
craggy sierra
Logic plague requires gravemind first
craggy sierra
Gravemind only formed because monitor shirked duties
craggy sierra
Ir at least that it was more clearly defined
cedar surge
In lore or in general
craggy sierra
In general
cedar surge
Why do you hate the logic plague
Its shows the flood is powerful enough to infect AI
craggy sierra
It’s led to so many stupid theories about Cortana that people have begun in some areas accepting as fact.
Despite the fact it took like 70+ years for MB to become infected
People seem to not understand that Cortana just had normal age induced rampancy and if she was in alliance with the flood she would’ve probably already acted in their interests instead of investing into giving the grunts better technology.
humble yacht
It’s just lacking as a plot device
Takes away personal responsibility from those who help the flood
craggy sierra
I’d be okay if it at least had more clearly defined rules.
humble yacht
And also it’s op and not clearly defined
At first it was for AI, but then Greg was like “nah it works on biological too”
craggy sierra
It wouldn’t be OP if it required everything to need 70 years of active interaction like MB.
cedar surge
What do ya mean OP. You mean the fact that it can infect any AI in listening radius?
humble yacht
Basically it changes to be whatever Greg needed it to be
cedar surge
Some people would say mendicant lasted so long because he was a forerunner AI
craggy sierra
Tbh I’d still rather list it as requiring 70 years on AI since there’s nothing to the contrary
It still doesn’t stop people from fighting with excuses about Cortana not being as advanced.
Also logic plague would just undermine everything that’s happened and remove the burden of responsibility from Cortana’s character.
So like why even bother then?
humble yacht
It removed responsibility from MB too
In Bungie era, MB chose to side with the flood
That was more compelling imo
craggy sierra
Medican Bias at least got forced to sit alone on the naughty corner to mull over killing his entire race for an eon.
cedar surge
Yea I really hope 343 doesn't just do "oh hey UNSC,thank you from saving me from the logic plague,just ignore the amount of people I killed or had my soldiers killed and lets be on our merry way! Oh and also give AI's more rights,you're fine with that right?"
craggy sierra
Like even if he could be forgiven there was no one left around to forgive him and that still has impact to his story.
Cortana’s not even looking to kill all of humanity
terse lava
I can see it sadly happening
cedar surge
That would be the worst narrative decision
craggy sierra
At best she feels regretful and we metaphorically pull the trigger on her with a bitter sweet ending.
cedar surge
Even somebody tried to justify it saying that we did forgive the covenant species and are working together with them
humble yacht
We didn’t forgive them
cedar surge
Humanity nowhere near forgave the covenant
Hell
They are trying to genocide elites
craggy sierra
We’re working on making peace but it’s rocky
gilded mason
Not to mention, it's sort of a case-by-case basis
For Cortana, this is a single person
cedar surge
Humanity created and gave smart AI life
And the AI betray them
Heck the amount of people dead from just the guardians rising to the EMP pulses
To likely ships that fell out of the air on To population centers
gilded mason
rip Sydney
cedar surge
People in hospitals
craggy sierra
Tbh I wonder what the rest of the created AI will do if Cortana gets yeeted.
cedar surge
People in any transportation
gilded mason
We know some took over a human space station for their own use...and then accidently blew it up a short while later
cedar surge
Who is gonna want to trust AI for a while after this
gilded mason
lol
craggy sierra
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cedar surge
What about the AI who was in charge of mombasa
craggy sierra
Maybe 343 got confused with Marathon lore.
cedar surge
What about serina
gilded mason
Yes, in Halo 5 itself, we saw an AI constantly get voted to be the colony's leader
cedar surge
Or isabel
craggy sierra
Vergil was a dumb AI...
gilded mason
I might be missing some, but all the AI that I can recall were generally treated with respect.
cedar surge
I think the UEG actually gave more rights to AI than they "needed" too
They could be in control of cities or entire battlegroup,or trusted with the most secret of info
That's not being oppressed
craggy sierra
It’s probably some cross between sovereign citizen “I never asked to be born” and “why do I have to die in only 7 years”
cedar surge
That's one step away from being a citizen
gilded mason
Conversations from the Universe actually has Cortana discuss this with another AI
cedar surge
@craggy sierra its not like the unsc wants them to die in 7 years
gilded mason
How she is grateful for all the opportunities she has as an AI
craggy sierra
It’s not like they wanna die either
craggy sierra
But when the time comes the UNSC just says “dems de breaks” and ends it for them. They don’t even really get to leave on their own terms.
cedar surge
Because of how expensive smart AI likely are
See that's fair
But really
Killing so many people
Killing ambassadors
Overthrowing the government
gilded mason
Oh yeah, here's a line from Cortana in Human Weakness (when she's being tortured by Gravemind)
I’d rather die as a human, short-lived construct or not. I’d rather die for humans. Because so many of them have – and would – die to protect me. That’s what bonds us. You’re wrong, Gravemind. I was never just an expendable piece of engineering.
cedar surge
Ruining so many peoples lives
Yea it makes the AI just look selfish with stuff like this in comparison
dense pulsar
Whats Cortana's end game exactly?
terse lava
well now with the Created...yeah it doesn't paint them in a good picture
cedar surge
Plus wouldn't AI technically be tools?
gilded mason
""""""""""""""Peace""""""""""""""
terse lava
correction Ostral
craggy sierra
Yes but you get brought into existence for the sole purpose of fulfilling a specific function and to be made acutely aware of your own mortality and the fact that they’ll have a new model up in a week to replace you, probably might make you a bit jaded even if you do carry on well with people around you.
cedar surge
Peace through superior firepower
dense pulsar
"Alright, no more war. I'm mom and I say you guys have to play nice now"
terse lava
'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''peace''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
gilded mason
Ah yes, of course
terse lava
"Peace in our time"
dense pulsar
We're gonna get a mass effect 3 ending aren't we
cedar surge
Yea guys threating to kill people will totally result in peace
terse lava
would have been nice if we were shown some type of "good side"to the Created but nope
craggy sierra
Lance that’s not what she’s trying to so
cedar surge
The good side we seen is them being nice to the grunts
gilded mason
But seven minutes, seven hours, seven years – whatever remained, Cortana would be more than satisfied with it. Eternity and all the data you could eat weren’t worth a darn if you didn’t have the right company.
dense pulsar
"The forerunners didn't actually make Halo to kill the flood. They made it to kill organic life so they wouldn't make AI that would kill organic life"
terse lava
post halo 5 Cortana: What was that? she says through a mouthful of data
gilded mason
lol
craggy sierra
Also the entire concept is that this is a broken off corrupted fragment of her own mentality that mimicks Halsey’s own flawed ideologies pushed to their unhealthy boundaries.
cedar surge
Yea her obsession with john
dense pulsar
Is she going to make more Master Chiefs?
cedar surge
Don't think so
terse lava
John-sempi please loveme
cedar surge
No
terse lava
-Cortana,maybe
craggy sierra
I mean Halsey also believed in superiority of the mantle which Cortana has claimed for herself to meet her own ends. She’s basically trying to turn the galaxy the way the forerunner run it. By beating people into accepting peace.
cedar surge
Waffle do you have examples of AI being angry that they were born or mad that they were made for a specific thing?
craggy sierra
Forerunners were not kind to other races under them.
terse lava
lifeworkers were
dense pulsar
Halo infinite, you come across kidnapped child soldiers being trained by Cortana to be Spartan Vs. Master Chief has flashbacks to his time in training, the comrades he lost, the freinds he lost. Knowing that there's no other path for these children he starts blasting
cedar surge
Isn't there a line from witness that says that cortana is pretty much doing the exact same things as the forerunners?
craggy sierra
Half of Cortana’s sales pitch to other AI is escaping their own mortality. They clearly weren’t happy with that aspect of existence and I doubt many would be.
cedar surge
And cortana says she is somehow doing stuff different?
dense pulsar
Its not the worse that could really happen
Iirc, alot of Spartans died like super young
terse lava
what next? Children infected by the flood?
cedar surge
Didn't Haley try to extend a AIs life in slipspace?
dense pulsar
An entire company of spartans died and they were like
craggy sierra
The domain is essentially that
dense pulsar
12
cedar surge
That seems like the unsc trying to make AI live longer
terse lava
well that's Ackerson for yea
dense pulsar
Even with that tho
gilded mason
Ye
dense pulsar
What about people who die from planets being glassed?
craggy sierra
Whaaaaaaat about them?
terse lava
well....they didn't suffer
..........much
fun fact actually, the sangheili saw glassing as without honor
craggy sierra
I don’t think glassing is meant to usually be an anti-personnel tactic.
cedar surge
Plus did the A Is ever address the problem about living so little to the unsc? Wasn't there a whole case of a AI wanting to live longer and not be terminated and instead of the unsc shutting her down they put her in stasis?
terse lava
thre was one case yes
cedar surge
I mean heck serina terminated herself
terse lava
how many others though is not said
it's likely there may have been some pre-war but during the war I doubt that was a major concern of humans or AI
unique rune
Gonna suck to be Iona once everything with the Created blows over
gilded mason
I thought this was really good:
https://haruspis.blog/2017/01/14/human-weakness-ruminations-on-cortana/
terse lava
just watch, she'll be the only one given rights
cedar surge
Yea its gonna have to suck to be a AI after the created blow over
Because all the stuff the created pulled who is gonna trust AI
terse lava
Covenant and 40k Imperium cheer
dense pulsar
Inb4 the galaxy is blown back to the stone age
cedar surge
Also somebody tried to say that the unsc could accept cortana back because its corrupt
No that would be dumb
Its like your friend or kid brutally harming you and you just accepting them back with a open arm
plain sierra
why did cortana’s personality change so much between halo 4 and 5
gilded mason
Rampancy messed with it
craggy sierra
Because it’s a snapped off corrupted element of her original personality and the good cortana died in the bubble.
cedar surge
Because narrative change
Well at least the unsc may address the life expectancy problem
dense pulsar
Marathon takes place further in the future right?
terse lava
of course not
cedar surge
What's marathon
terse lava
that's a whole seperate game
dense pulsar
An older Bungie series
unique rune
A different Bungie IP
carmine sleet
Marathon is not part of the Halo universe
unique rune
They tossed a bunch of references to it into their Halo games
cedar surge
Why would you think its in the same universe?
dense pulsar
Because it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside and I like to theorize about how they're connected
cedar surge
Nah that's just the flood spore
dense pulsar
Oh no
craggy sierra
The reason I joked about Marathon earlier was because the AI in that game did feel oppressed.
terse lava
sounds of activating plasma weapons intensifes
cedar surge
Did they actually show AI being oppressed?
craggy sierra
It was essentially the butter robot from Rick and Morty but it had control of all the ship’s airlocks.
dense pulsar
Wheres the worst place a flood spore could land on Earth that would kill it pretty fast?
cedar surge
I don't watch rick and morty
terse lava
why is everyone using that example now...
cedar surge
Antartica
craggy sierra
Marathon didn’t show much of anything. It was a 90s FPS.
craggy sierra
Marathon was a game you had to read the manual to get the story for.
cedar surge
The secret totally not real super duper ONI base under in Australia
terse lava
as for the AI, we only see how they are treated during wartime, as expendable as humans
before, well who knows
cedar surge
AI in halo are not expendable
Smaart AI
Actually how do smart AI see dumb AI
Dumber relatives?
terse lava
they are pretty expendable when you tell them to self-terminate when a base is about to get captured
rather then say, grab their chip
cedar surge
Don't they usually try to avoid that
And also I think Cole protocol only states that you only terminate AI when you can't escape with them and its about to be captured
terse lava
well look at Cortana's older "sister," Halsey let her die rather easy
exactly, thus why I said they are treated as expendable as a human in the war
cedar surge
Plus in CE Keyes rather had organs with chief rather than just killing her on the spot
Why autocorrect
terse lava
heh
cedar surge
How are cortana and organs similar in any way
terse lava
that's because chief was right there, and an effective soldier
had chief for whatever reason already been off the ship
byebye cortana
cedar surge
Should have left her with Fireteam raven,so chief could see what true hero's look like
terse lava
funny
dense pulsar
Cortana was a pretty important asset tho
terse lava
she didn't know forerunner