They're still grizzled buff bois
#lore-and-universe
cedar surge
Halo wars series armor is the best armor
cedar surge
I wish marines could keep a consistent look though
3 or HW3 marines are what I think would be the best looks
Oh wait
Infinite marines
I forgot about them
They look good
fringe robin
agreed, Infinites marines look awesome
cedar surge
Though I'm not sure how they got new armor
humble yacht
neural physics
plain sierra
y is installation 07 one of the strangest of the halos?
cedar surge
Though going by the step in trailer it looks like the UNSC still have some armor producing facilities left
humble yacht
y is installation 07 one of the strangest of the halos?
because of its history with ancient humans, forerunners, and the flood
gilded mason
ashen storm
creepiest place in halo?
gilded mason
Vale's room
cedar surge
Vale is the re d Spartan right
humble yacht
yep, probably
ashen storm
what game
humble yacht
Pinups of sangheili fashion models posted everywhere
cedar surge
You go into her room and find a model of every arbiter who ever lived
gilded mason
No. Wait. Vel 'Trokaik's room.
feral perch
can you don’t
ashen storm
i wonder what sangheili's eat
plain sierra
jackals
stiff creek
They like food.
feral perch
froot
ashen storm
ah yes food
cedar surge
Eu guys Remeber those interviews where reporters are telling ear veterans to pick up things that killed their comrade or telling them to reenact traumatic experiences
humble yacht
Brutes like flesh that has been seared, right?
but how seared
do you think brutes like their meat seared rare, med rare, or even more?
gilded mason
Rare
humble yacht
i dunno Thel looked pretty well done in that cutscene 
gilded mason
I dunno, seemed juicy to me.
cedar surge
Jorge is looking pretty cold. But that adds to the flavor
humble yacht
looked extra crispy to me
cedar surge
If the elites and brutes just had a cool out they would understand each other so well
Before dropping dead because ONI poisoned the food
gilded mason
Good old fashioned Sanghelios barbeque
stiff creek
Nah.
gilded mason
Does this mean Elite are pirates
feral perch
I think you strained a metaphor
cedar surge
Is a sniper rifle a good melee weapon
stiff creek
An emphatic yes.
feral perch
Use it like a baseball bat.
humble yacht
In gears 5, there is an execution where you use the sniper rifle to knock off an enemy’s head
It’s called Home Run
feral perch
The Gnasher already has that
feral perch
same difference
stiff creek
Longshot looks a bit like the Nerf Centurion, now that I think about it.
From the receiver forward.
cedar surge
Is foward onto dawn good?
cedar surge
It looks a little,movieish? Like you can obviously tell some things are props
feral perch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cedar surge
And they made the AR large
stiff creek
It is a movie.
cedar surge
I think the landfall trailers looked better. Oh
inner basin
Landfall was pretty cool. Looked very realistic
humble yacht
Landfall trailer looked like it took place on a paintball/air soft course
cedar surge
Yea but landfall looked way better
Its what I imagine the Human covenant war looked like
I think its a radar station or mine?
And at least people didn't take their helmet off every time there was a breeze or slight emotional moment
west silo
I prefer forward unto dawn because the it shows how terrifying a covenant invasion is
The elevator scene is the best part
inner basin
I thought the cadets reactions to ODSTs dropping in is probably the best acting in the live action imo. That's not saying their acting was bad elsewhere mind you
cedar surge
They were afraid of the fact that odsts were dropping in right
west silo
Because that means the situation is really bad
inner basin
The fact that they were dropping nearby is what they were scared of as the above states why
west silo
There called helljumpers for a reason
inner basin
It was very early war. I think it was April 2526
gusty whale
yeah wasnt chief like 15 in it
inner basin
Yeah. I remember having this conversation yesterday in general, that's why his age is still in my head
west silo
The movie is like one year after blue team lost Sam. only the ending and the cortana monologue is post war
unique rune
Finished Oblivion last night.
Man.
Poor Nizat.
feral perch
I wonder if Shadows of Reach will awkwardly tie Denning’s previous four novels together
gilded mason
The thing that Halsey wanted Blue Team to get was a device that merges Reach and Gao.
feral perch
Hm.
inner basin
I'd be down if Shadows of Reach threw in a cameo of the Ferrets
cedar surge
Oh if it's during the war do they have post war armor
feral perch
It’s not during the HCW
unique rune
The thing that Halsey wanted Blue Team to get was a device that merges Reach and Gao.
It’ll be like the tail end of the original Bionicle storyline all over again
cedar surge
@feral perch what do you mean
feral perch
Shadows of Reach is set in the year following the events of H5G
cedar surge
I was talking about
gilded mason
They're talking about Forward Unto Dawn, Bricc
cedar surge
The movie
feral perch
Oh.
feral stirrup
dear 343. Please scrap and get rid of echo 216 for infinite
feral perch
dear 343i, please don’t listen to that guy
gilded mason
The pilot is bae
cedar surge
This isn't the chat to complain about infinite
feral perch
The Pilot needs a hug
versed helm
The Pilot is one of 343's most likeable characters
cedar surge
You saw barely 3 minutes of him
feral perch
You’ve seen about seven minutes of the Pilot.
feral stirrup
and i am a customer. so listen to me. this won't work out well if you leave him in
craggy sierra
Tbh I like what I see from those minutes.
west silo
Ur just one dude
gilded mason
He's a cool guy
feral stirrup
the best thing they can do with the story is either reduce his dialogue or scrap it outright
cedar surge
@feral stirrup ywe,a customer,out of millions
feral perch
I am a consumer, listen to me, this will definitely work out if you leave him in.
feral stirrup
doesn't matter if i'm one out of a million customers
cedar surge
Your opinion is not as big as you think
craggy sierra
Yeah the vast overwhelming majority is in favour of the pilot so far dude.
feral stirrup
i never made any such claim. But my point stands
west silo
Am a customer I want metal gears in halo
feral stirrup
slim the fat out of the dialogue, it goes a long way
versed helm
Why? He shows the player that there are REAL PEOPLE who fought in this war.
cedar surge
and i am a customer. so listen to me. this won't work out well if you leave him in
@feral stirrup
feral perch
Halo Infinite has a year or less of development time left. They cannot be making big changes to the story at this point.
cedar surge
That sounds like you think your opinion is that important
feral stirrup
everyone has a right to their own opinion. no need to get so defensive
craggy sierra
What’s wrong with the pilot though? Like back up a bit and explain that for me.
feral stirrup
i just don't see how this will work out storywise
gilded mason
i am a customer. so listen to me. this won't work out well if you don't make Infinite a dating sim
craggy sierra
Halo Intimate. Make it or I don’t buy.
feral stirrup
you mean do make it a dating sim
cedar surge
Why do people come here to complain about infinite
versed helm
Why? He shows the player that there are REAL PEOPLE who fought in this war.
As Lasky said, "You say that like soldiers and humanity are two different things. Soldiers aren't machines. We're just people."
west silo
everyone has a right to their own opinion. no need to get so defensive
@feral stirrup
Doesn't mean u should force ur opinion on others
Everyone else loves brohammer
gilded mason
Halo Intimate. Make it or I don’t buy.```
I'll continue making backgrounds for it, just for you.I'd still be down for Infinite if it was a dating sim
feral stirrup
brohammer is pretty bad character design
craggy sierra
How so?
craggy sierra
Trys too hard to what?
west silo
What
cedar surge
That's not character design
feral stirrup
he just .... was
unique rune
Is... is being a plain Marine pilot considered bad character design now?
versed helm
He's not Johnson though
cedar surge
Character design is how a person looks
terse lava
tha's a pretty bad reason you have
cedar surge
Not how they act
west silo
Having a mental breakdown in a very stressful time
feral stirrup
don't care about playing the definition game lance
feral perch
Why does every character have to be like Johnson? Go play the original games if you want Johnson. @feral stirrup
feral stirrup
you get the overall point
unique rune
Like he's a just a dude that's been stranded in space and just wants to get back to his family in one piece, I don't see what the issue is here.
craggy sierra
he just .... was
@feral stirrup you mean he wasn’t a character and instead just a thing that existed to make quips?
gilded mason
Pilot...had a hard life.
cedar surge
I will gouge out my ears if I have to have a character making wisecracks 24/7
inner basin
Like he's a just a dude that's been stranded in space and just wants to get back to his family in one piece, I don't see what the issue is here.
It's obviously because he isn't Johnson /s
versed helm
Brohammer is symbolic of real people who go into a war knowing that they might lose everything
feral stirrup
also another problem that i've always had with halo series is how the fans will visciosuly attack you if you show any points of criticism that usually end up being true like with my predictions way back in the day about halo 2 vista and how it was going to be bad port on microsofts part
terse lava
he just acts like a normal person. dont see the problem there
craggy sierra
I really don’t get the point. Your argument right now is just that him having a personality is bad.
west silo
Johnson is great but kinda overrated not gonna lie
feral stirrup
also this is the other problem with people putting words in my mouth
unique rune
I'm honestly really excited about how his dynamic with Chief is gonna play out. Enjoyed what we did get from the campaign demo a fair bit.
craggy sierra
Yeah Johnson’s fun to watch but emotional investment is a little lacking
feral stirrup
i never had a problem with characters having personality. i have a problem with it feeling unauthentic
west silo
also this is the other problem with people putting words in my mouth
@feral stirrup
They are the words from ur mouth
cedar surge
When have we ever "viciously" attacked you. All we did was criticized you. You are the one putting words on our mouths
craggy sierra
The pilot is one of the most authentic characters I think I’ve seen in Halo so far.
feral stirrup
"no no no you don't tell me what to do" He says to the guy who literally saved all of humanity
unique rune
The guy who's also responsible for dragging him back into this mess with the Banished.
west silo
Yeah Johnson’s fun to watch but emotional investment is a little lacking
@craggy sierra
The only loss really was no more memorable quotes
feral perch
Ah, Master Chief hero worship. Not everyone worships the Chief.
feral stirrup
I bet the gameplay in infinite is going to be alot of fun, but there is much work to be done with character development and story
gilded mason
Because the pilot is going through a harrowing ordeal.
versed helm
I bet the gameplay in infinite is going to be alot of fun, but there is much work to be done with character development and story
@feral stirrup We know barely anything about the story
gilded mason
He's human, he's gonna be stressed.
feral perch
You are in no position to determine that @feral stirrup
feral stirrup
doesn't matter the dialogue makes no sense. He should know who he's dealing with when it comes to dealing with the chief
craggy sierra
The dude’s dying alone in space for god knows how long. Finds his ticket home in using chief to power up his flight, and then chief is just like “so you see those AA canons over there?”
west silo
I bet the gameplay in infinite is going to be alot of fun, but there is much work to be done with character development and story
@feral stirrup
We've barely seen anything
cedar surge
Your critisizes kinda sound weak
feral stirrup
halo 1 2 and 3 had far better dialogue. in alot of points it was even driven deep in philosophy.
feral perch
It makes perfect sense, he doesn’t care about what Chief has done because he wants to get back to his family
craggy sierra
doesn't matter the dialogue makes no sense. He should know who he's dealing with when it comes to dealing with the chief
@feral stirrup what?
feral perch
halo 1 2 and 3 had far better dialogue. in alot of points it was even driven deep in philosophy.
@feral stirrup
um, no
west silo
halo 1 2 and 3 had far better dialogue. in alot of points it was even driven deep in philosophy.
@feral stirrup
Remember to war
unique rune
halo 1 2 and 3 had far better dialogue.
PFFFFFFT.
feral stirrup
um yes
west silo
Halo 3 was as deep as a puddle
feral stirrup
it's insane how people defend 343 from any sort of cricisim at all
unique rune
CE-3 had quotable dialogue.
Not necessarily especially good dialogue.
craggy sierra
The universe doesn’t entirely revolve around the chief. Not everyone is going to always bend over backwards to appease him at the cost of their own hides.
feral stirrup
you mean to tell me halo 4 and 5 had better dialogue than the original trilogy?
cedar surge
Yes
feral perch
Name one deep philosophical line in the OG trilogy @feral stirrup
feral stirrup
ok so it's the opposite game then
versed helm
it's insane how people defend 343 from any sort of cricisim at all
so we're just going to ignore the past 8 years of backlash?
feral stirrup
I say blue you say
gilded mason
Though I felt CE and 2(barring John) had pretty good dialogue.
unique rune
Real hard to take the Halo community seriously when we have examples of... this.
unique rune
CE's isn't too bad
feral stirrup
yes it did. Lots of memorable quotes and a great choice of voice actors
frank copper
What exactly is the criteria for good dialogue
versed helm
Memorable =/= "good"
feral stirrup
ok so dialogue i can't remember is good then. got it
west silo
You are really saying CE had good dialogue
@cedar surge
The only memorable dialogue was with 343 guilty spark
feral stirrup
once again opposite game
feral perch
I’m still waiting on those deep philosophical lines @feral stirrup
feral stirrup
i say up you say down for the sake of saying down cause i said up
craggy sierra
@feral stirrup Buddy you just came in to a chat that houses people intricately familiar with the finer details of the Halo universe and are finally seeing characters with more grounded emotions in a game more closley showing how the books depict people acting (like real humans with emotion) and saying we're wrong for wanting that.
feral stirrup
i don't have to show you ever part of the philisophical lines. you have all of the quotes and dialogue right in front of you. do your own footwork
unique rune
...When you make a claim, you're the one who's supposed to provide the defense.
craggy sierra
Johnson never showed any emotion until his 11th hour and instead solely existed to plop out quips
west silo
Hi> i don't have to show you ever part of the philisophical lines. you have all of the quotes and dialogue right in front of you. do your own footwork
@feral stirrup
Then name one
cedar surge
Honestly I don't know why they come here. They come here to say "343 bad" and that we are 343 fanboys and leave
feral perch
i don't have to show you ever part of the philisophical lines. you have all of the quotes and dialogue right in front of you. do your own footwork
@feral stirrup
you’re just pulling stuff out of your hat. The burden of proof lies with you, because you made the claim.
cedar surge
You can't make a claim and not back it up
feral stirrup
pulling what out of my hat? The covenants philosophy isn't that much of a secret at all
cedar surge
And never say "search it up yourself"
west silo
Johnson never showed any emotion until his 11th hour and instead solely existed to plop out quips
@craggy sierra
Dang he was literally supposed to die in the first game
cedar surge
Then say one
craggy sierra
He did die like 15 times in the first game
Cause they never made him invincible in gameplay
feral perch
pulling what out of my hat? The covenants philosophy isn't that much of a secret at all
@feral stirrup
That’s not deep philosophical dialogue
feral stirrup
dr. lance I will give you one. but it doesn't matter which one i give you. because you already have your mind made up in wiggling around anything i say in disagreement
craggy sierra
dr. lance I will give you one. but it doesn't matter which one i give you. because you already have your mind made up in wiggling around anything i say in disagreement
@feral stirrup You kinda seem to already have your mind made up that having characters that aren't just the original trilogy is bad.
feral stirrup
this does not look well for 343 if their rabbid fans attack you from showing any forms of criticism. i hope at least they themselves understand
unique rune
dr. lance I will give you one. but it doesn't matter which one i give you. because you already have your mind made up in wiggling around anything i say in disagreement
I'd say we're generally pretty open to adjusting viewpoints, provided good reason.
west silo
The most deep thing in halo is really the mantle just because of how many different meaning it might have
gusty whale
i still havent seen any actual evidence as to why he @feral stirrup doesnt like brohammer? other than "i dont like him"
craggy sierra
You have literally not explained a single detail of why you think the pilot is a bad character outside of the vague notion of "he tries too hard" and are saying he should be fully removed from the game.
feral perch
weak sauce
cedar surge
when have we actually attacled you. When have we ever actually started throwing insults at you? You are keep on saying these things when we havnt
gusty whale
you know what i meant
feral stirrup
everything about this is subjective and opinionated.
west silo
i still havent seen any actual evidence as to why he @feral stirrup doesnt like brohammer? other than "i dont like him"
@gusty whale
Other than him not being a cardboard cut out
cedar surge
All we did was criticized you
unique rune
Have you never had to defend an argument in your life?
feral stirrup
once again people putting words in my mouth because they are so sensitive and can't take any form of criticism
versed helm
everything about this is subjective and opinionated.
@feral stirrup Backpedaling
cedar surge
this does not look well for 343 if their rabbid fans attack you from showing any forms of criticism. i hope at least they themselves understand
@feral stirrup
unique rune
Bud I think you're the most sensitive one here
cedar surge
Putting words in your mouth huh
craggy sierra
everything about this is subjective and opinionated.
@feral stirrup Okay but you were trying to advocate for 343 to remove something from the game based on an opinion that you are largely the only person I've seen hold. We're more perplexed than anything and none of your explanations are helping us understand.
feral stirrup
anyway here's the quote
"Your forefathers wisely set aside their compassion. Steeled themselves for what needed to be done. I see now why they left you behind. You were weak… and gods must be strong."
gusty whale
you still havent explained your opinion, which was the original discussuon in the first place
terse lava
Looked over what you said @feral stirrup Your main criticism seems to be, if I am understanding it correctly, that brohammer telling chief to back off was bad writing, as chief has saved humanity and brohammer should have known this, and thus behaved more proper. Correct?
feral stirrup
the idea of a godlike being that previously had no face, The expectations of what the covenant saught. And the fact that humanity where the reclaimers threatened their very existence
cedar surge
That's a good quote
unique rune
It's... it's decent quote but it's... about as deep as a rain puddle.
cedar surge
But the trilogy also had the "to war quote"
craggy sierra
@feral stirrup All you've said is "he tries too hard" and also asserted the game would perform poorly for leaving him in.
feral perch
It’s not philosophical, it’s historical
feral stirrup
literally a falsified prophecy. The people that where in charge of the original scripting. KNEW what they where doing because you could tell that they where huge history nerds
craggy sierra
That last part is something I'm especially perplexed by. How will it "end poorly" for the game to leave him in?
unique rune
you could tell that they where huge history nerds
What part of that quote suggests anything about the dialogue writers being history nerds?
terse lava
I am unsure I would go that far, the original triligy just had a lot of bible references
feral perch
that much is true
feral stirrup
dr. lance . I don't have to play the meandering game with word play/definitions if you understand what thresholds of overall effectiveness are.
craggy sierra
You're still not explaining anything
You've just made assertions without substance. How will it end poorly for them to include a character everyone is in support of?
west silo
I am unsure I would go that far, the original triligy just had a lot of bible references
@terse lava
And they just put them in to sound smart
feral stirrup
we don't know if everyone is in support of that character
this is a tiny echo chamber
craggy sierra
You're literally the first person I've seen in this discord of 90k people
terse lava
in support of the Chief?
feral stirrup
it doesn't represent the entire aggregate of their customer base.
but it certainly is the loudest
terse lava
or of Brohammer?
craggy sierra
What does represent their entire customer base?
unique rune
I'd argue that the community coming to adopt the nickname Brohammer for him is pretty telling of what most people think
feral stirrup
did i not say we don't know?
craggy sierra
So how do you know it will end poorly for them then to include him?
feral perch
Brohammer is largely liked
west silo
we don't know if everyone is in support of that character
@feral stirrup
Even Hidden experia loves bro hammer and he's the biggest bungie follow er
craggy sierra
You're the one making that assertion it's going to end poorly to have him.
unique rune
No one's gonna come up with an endearing nickname that gets so widely used as 'Brohammer' does if a good chunk of the community dislikes him
feral stirrup
hidden likes anything microsoft or 343 produces
cedar surge
Can you give any evidence that many people will hate brohammer?
terse lava
I admit I did find him a bit annoying at first, but the more I saw him I realized he's just some average joe. It's expected for someone in his position to act the way hehas
feral perch
HiddenX most certainly does not @feral stirrup
west silo
hidden likes anything microsoft or 343 produces
@feral stirrup
Hahahaaa ur funny u know
feral stirrup
evidence? For crying out loud it's a videogame
agian nobody is murdered. you aren't goign to find any type of physical evidence of anything
unique rune
We really are just going in circles at this point.
I give up.
craggy sierra
You said it will end poorly for 343 to include the character. What led you to this conclusion?
terse lava
a video game you are critical of a single character
west silo
The dude that hates change loves 343
feral perch
you can’t come in to this channel with that attitude
evidence? For crying out loud it's a videogame
@feral stirrup
feral stirrup
also 10 v 1 seems like a fair fight
gusty whale
yourejust dodging the point. why will brohammer make the game come out badly
versed helm
hidden likes anything microsoft or 343 produces
Take one look at his twitter and you will be proven oh so wrong
terse lava
10 vs 1? Who ever said this was a fight?
cedar surge
Really? This is a discussion channel. You have to back up your claim. This is not who screams loudest wins
feral perch
Bruh what lol
agian nobody is murdered. you aren't goign to find any type of physical evidence of anything
@feral stirrup
feral stirrup
i wonder if the COD fans are as bad as this if you criticize their story
cedar surge
Really dude
feral perch
CoD gets a reboot every single game
west silo
Take one look at his twitter and you will be proven oh so wrong
@versed helm
The hate the guy has for 5 is really sad
terse lava
okay, Dude, let me ask a simple question
feral stirrup
no i'm not answering it
cedar surge
You were complaining we were "attacking" you but you insult us
terse lava
why not?
craggy sierra
You essentially busted in like a wrecking ball, said that a game should remove what's shaping up to be a well liked element, and that it will end badly if they don't. Those aren't things you say with some indication of that being an outcome.
gusty whale
exactly because u cant
feral stirrup
and i'm not playing the question/definition game
terse lava
I care not for that
feral stirrup
i came here to make a point of what i think needs to be changed
west silo
i wonder if the COD fans are as bad as this if you criticize their story
@feral stirrup
Memes aside COD fans are better than u
gusty whale
you came out and said brohammer was bad. you instigated this. we ask why, and you dodge the question
feral perch
nobody from 343i takes feedback here, that stuff belongs on Waypoint @feral stirrup
terse lava
that is perfectly fine, your point was made, but you didn't clarify why you felt that way.
versed helm
i came here to make a point of what i think needs to be changed
@feral stirrup You didn't make the point, you just kept Strawmanning the argument
craggy sierra
He doesn't have an explanation or a reason. He's just Bungo good, 3v4 bad.
feral stirrup
anyhow lets wait for the game to come out. so i can tell you all how much i was right. which will be the fun part
cedar surge
Yup its the exact same guy
versed helm
Don't get too ahead of yourself
craggy sierra
Why do you think you'll be right?
feral stirrup
but of course you will deny it no matter what.
inner basin
And if you're wrong? Then what?
craggy sierra
Because you though a port to one of the worst windows OSes was going to be bad 13 years ago?
gusty whale
the dodging is making me crazy
cedar surge
And made the exact same claim
west silo
I bet he listens to that 343 "insider" guy
versed helm
I bet he will be back
terse lava
perhaps
west silo
Well that was fun
cedar surge
Yea guys I'm pretty sure the Hawaiian guy just made another account
terse lava
for all we know, he could be right, or he could be wrong
versed helm
For now, Time is our ally
unique rune
Even if he's wrong he's gonna come in here and claim he was right.
But anyway.
terse lava
I think he just liked to stir the pot
west silo
U think he'll even remember
terse lava
maybe maybe not
cedar surge
Its annoying how they make claims and say they don't need to back it up
terse lava
well if one truly felt that way, why make such a passionate claim
unique rune
I sure hope my local library system gets the Halo books that I recommended for purchase...
They've gone ahead with all the other requests I've made so I don't see why they wouldn't.
Except maybe because of current circumstances.
cedar surge
I bet he is one of those people who day nobody plays games for the plot
craggy sierra
Seems to be an odd choice to come to a lore channel then
terse lava
shrug
west silo
I bet he's in general right now
cedar surge
I like this channel batter
feral stirrup
stir what pot?
west silo
I like this channel batter
@cedar surge
Me too its pretty much the only channel I use for halo
terse lava
oh, you are still here
west silo
Oh no
feral stirrup
disagreeing with you on one particular item is stirring the pot?
i don't need a mob to decide for me what i think is good story wise
terse lava
It's that your claim was fine, but you didn't give much reason for that claim
gusty whale
no, not explaining why is stiirring the pot
craggy sierra
Yeah you haven't explained a single thing
feral stirrup
goggle you try respoding to a wall of texts
terse lava
hate brohammer? I am fine with that, but at least give a why
craggy sierra
We've all been asking the same thing
gusty whale
its as simple as "if you make a claim, back it up"
west silo
Just respond to the important ones
feral stirrup
character is overemphasized and shoved in your face without any real backstory or build up
terse lava
everyone easy easy, let's let him explain his reason
unique rune
I'm still trying to get over the fact that the Battle Born kids are a separate group of 'prototype' Spartan-IVs from the 10 candidate group that Ilsa Zane was part of.
Automatic assumption was that they were part of that 9 that died.
craggy sierra
Okay now we're getting somewhere
feral stirrup
we don't know who he is. so why should we develop any reason or caring for him?
terse lava
ok, I can see that
feral stirrup
it's like someone walking up to you off the street and telling you a huge story about their personal life about their wife and kids
unique rune
Well.
I mean.
We've barely seen anything of the campaign thus far.
west silo
character is overemphasized and shoved in your face without any real backstory or build up
@feral stirrup
Because its a teaser to make u know something about him
feral stirrup
you've never met this person before so how do you even know they are telling the truth?
unique rune
We have, what, no more than 10 minutes of actual campaign content?
feral stirrup
10 minutes is plenty for a first run and introduction for a character
craggy sierra
Well I'm assuming the game is going to set about developing him over its runtime and not keep all of him in the dark.
terse lava
True Dude, the problem is indeed we barely have any backstory for him. Perhaps when the game comes out his character will make more sense
unique rune
10 minutes is plenty for a first run and introduction for a character
Sure, but we spend like eight of those minutes solely with Chief.
craggy sierra
Like you don't get the entire character's backstory up front in really any media.
unique rune
So.
It's more akin to two minutes of anything with the pilot.
craggy sierra
There's lots of characters who's backstories we never got at all in the original trilogy
feral stirrup
who knows ando. maybe they'll fix it and make him less intrusive. Really this story shouldn't be about him
west silo
And he wasn't very calm
terse lava
it isn't, he's just a side characer
versed helm
343 have stated this is a Chief focused story
craggy sierra
The story isn't about him
terse lava
and he acted like a civilian would in his shoes, panic, fear, worry
so I can see him snapping at chief for example
west silo
who knows ando. maybe they'll fix it and make him less intrusive. Really this story shouldn't be about him
@feral stirrup
Its not about him!!!
Hes just a side character thats the opposite of chief
craggy sierra
The pilot is probably going to be used to cause changes in the chief from what I'm gleaming. Like we're picking up Chief's character development from Halo 4 that Halo 5 shelved.
feral stirrup
halo Ce was great because you had a zap Brannigan piloting your ship.
terse lava
Foehammer? I am curious on the Zap comparsion
craggy sierra
There's going to be actual character dynamic and stuff.
feral stirrup
no jacob keys
west silo
The pilot is probably going to be used to cause changes in the chief from what I'm gleaming. Like we're picking up Chief's character development from Halo 4 that Halo 5 shelved.
@craggy sierra
Similar to boy in god of war 4
feral stirrup
= zap Brannigan.
terse lava
Zap was more....blunt and arrogant
west silo
Who's zap?
terse lava
I assume you do mean Foehammer though in the comparsion, correct?
feral stirrup
he probably flirted with alot of crew on the autumn.
west silo
Ohhhhhh blondie
craggy sierra
idk about God of War but did Kratos have any character development besides just raging murder for the first 3 games that ended up getting shelved?
west silo
Foehammer was a chick
@terse lava
Yep
terse lava
you are talking about Foehammer, the pelican pilot,correct Dude?
or are you thinking Captain Keyes
west silo
idk about God of War but did Kratos have any character development besides just raging murder for the first 3 games that ended up getting shelved?
@craggy sierra
The first game and ascension alittle
feral stirrup
well that's fitting
brohammer = lela. my least likeable character
you know what that's saying too much
brohammer = amy
feral perch
@feral stirrup We know from the novels that Keyes didn’t flirt with anyone
feral stirrup
in the novels he didn't but IRL he would of cause cmon man. Captain
west silo
The guy was a loner after halsey left
feral stirrup
you could just hear the chad in his voice
gilded mason
...🤔
feral stirrup
he would of invited other female cadetes in his own personal quarters and asked the chef to serve Champaaaagen
feral perch
Just stop
gilded mason
Now you're getting...
west silo
Yeah okkkk
versed helm
Ok just got back. What has this turned into?
feral stirrup
dude captain keys was a complete chad. And a gentleman. He's a mans man and all that others in the UNSC would prescribe themselves to be.
Brohammer isn't this confident character i could ever get on board with in infinite just saying
versed helm
Because he's not a captain
somber raptor
even that lord hood fella was a big fan of keyes and his daughter, right?
terse lava
gentlemen, sure, but nothing more
unique rune
This convo turned yikes real fast.
feral perch
Brohammer shouldn’t have to be a confident character.
terse lava
kinda did
gilded mason
Eyup
inner basin
^ Indeed
arctic zephyr
Breh, we have not even finished with the 2nd AA gun.... We got to get past those to even see what Brohammer will shape up to be.
somber raptor
no, it turned into an echo chamber
west silo
He's a pilot in halo they die Instantly
feral stirrup
i can picture ostral, stone, beast, emperor, and ado being characters from king of the hill
all just standing next to a picket fence telling eachother, Yep....yup, mmmhmmm, yep.
somber raptor
pretty much
feral perch
He can be perfectly believable without being like Johnson or Keyes. And besides, Chief is the confident character.
gilded mason
A redneck Sangheili, what an image
terse lava
....I better be Boomhauer
feral stirrup
stone. Gamers don't want emotionally weak characters in a warzone
terse lava
Ostral, you can be Dale
west silo
That boy ain't right
gilded mason
You're Dale
feral stirrup
we want strong people who aren't afraid to lead, Even miranada was stronger than him
unique rune
Who is this 'we' you speak of
cedar surge
Ngl the word gamers is kinda cringe
arctic zephyr
Its not that Chief is confidant, he just has one purpose and that is to fight everything.
west silo
we want strong people who aren't afraid to lead, Even miranada was stronger than him
@feral stirrup
Miranda was an idiot
craggy sierra
Hello fellow GAMERZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
feral perch
Chief is absolutely confident
terse lava
may not even be his pelican
frank copper
Hi Garfield
arctic zephyr
Yeah, that he is just here to beat the crap out of aliens.
feral stirrup
but chief has great background experience. he literally knows nothing but war,
arctic zephyr
Pretty much
feral perch
And Brohammer’s purpose isn’t to lead.
terse lava
well...yeah
feral stirrup
so through that experience in being a super chad veteran. he is by default very confident
west silo
Hello fellow GAMERZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
@craggy sierra
It really makes u remember why ur a GAMER
craggy sierra
That's kinda what's making their character interesting
terse lava
yes, but as has been said, Brohammer isn't a leader
craggy sierra
The fact that chief is actually interacting with the normal rank and file for once.
unique rune
It really makes u remember why ur a GAMER
It makes me remember why I try not to associate myself with the term
terse lava
has not shown any want to, he wants just wants to leave the ring
feral stirrup
if bro hammer won't lead even in on his own part. Then he is as good as that pilot in CE when they crash landed
arctic zephyr
Plus Chief is pretty much an emotional cripple due to the Spartan 2 program.
craggy sierra
I think the point is to have chief be the shot caller for once
gilded mason
He was a gamer boy
she said see you later boy
he wasn't clean enough for her
inner basin
if bro hammer won't lead even in on his own part. Then he is as good as that pilot in CE when they crash landed
Well I liked Foehammer so that works for me
craggy sierra
Instead of just getting blindly pointed at things to shoot by Cortana or a CO
terse lava
that's kind of his reason to exist Dude
arctic zephyr
So he really only knows unit based contexts and small groups of independently capable specialists with a similar mandate.
terse lava
he's just your ferry driver
craggy sierra
You'd think "gamerz" would be all for playing a character being chad enough to take his own initiative and be the shot caller for once.
feral stirrup
Chief needs to be the wig splitter and shot caller all bundled into one
feral perch
what
craggy sierra
Chief was never really a shot caller in any game from any era.
terse lava
wig splitter....creative and don't believe I have heard that before
feral stirrup
he calls the shots. and splits brutes wigs
west silo
Chief was never really a shot caller in any game from any era.
@craggy sierra
Sad halo 4 noises
And 3
feral stirrup
you've never been to prison bro
feral perch
and you have?
cedar surge
Never thought about brutes with wigs before
unique rune
I... don't think that's something to brag about, but... okay.
craggy sierra
I mean Halo 4 was the closest to it.
feral stirrup
yeah i was locked up in the UNSC's hardest maximum security prison
craggy sierra
But now we see chief doing it not only for himself but other people as well.
feral perch
oh boy
craggy sierra
I'm tellin' ya, they're picking that character arc back up
feral stirrup
met alot of friends there. homies still call me even when i moved back to reach
west silo
I mean Halo 4 was the closest to it.
@craggy sierra
And 3 when he chose to go to the ark
craggy sierra
@craggy sierra
And 3 when he chose to go to the ark
@west silo What?
feral stirrup
scrap brohammer
craggy sierra
That was Miranda's call made with Hood's blessing.
feral stirrup
let him go. you will hate it at first but trust me it will be a very good move long term.
feral perch
Brohammer’s purpose is probably just to ferry the player from place to place and have someone to talk to in lieu of Cortana.
inner basin
scrap brohammer
Still haven't gave a good reason why tbh
unique rune
Sounds like it'd get lonely pretty fast
feral stirrup
we resurrect echo 419
feral perch
That would probably mean another year or two year delay, dude. Absolutely unacceptable
cedar surge
No
terse lava
.....
west silo
That was Miranda's call made with Hood's blessing.
@craggy sierra
Hood asked chief if he trusted cortana and he said yes and hood gave the go ahead
unique rune
Ah ha. An even worse storytelling decision.
feral stirrup
but this time we have oprah winferey do her voice
terse lava
I know you are joking but....ugh
craggy sierra
Also you're ignoring the fact that Brohammer seems to have watched all his friends get murdered and was slowly suffocating in space for who knows how long. I think anyone would be shaken by that experience.
It's literally being human
feral stirrup
"this is echo 419 here just letting all unsc personally know, that
feral stirrup
"you get a warthog, You get a warthog, You get a scorpion and you get a mongoose"
inner basin
stop
^ You should do this dude
west silo
This is why fans don't write stories
terse lava
there are some good halo fanfics out there
unique rune
Some fans are pretty capable of doing it well... this is not an example of that.
feral stirrup
fans have already written stories even within halo original dialogue
have you not even heard the grunt lines of speech?
inner basin
there are some good halo fanfics out there
E.g Fistful of Arrows
cedar surge
Least its not another "lets make infinite another endgame"
feral stirrup
grunts = what bungie thinks their halo fans sound like
west silo
there are some good halo fanfics out there
@terse lava
And many horrible ones
terse lava
I never said there wasn't
cedar surge
The horrors I saw when scrolling through them
feral perch
I think lore and universe is the wrong channel for you, dude
cedar surge
Yea this is the channel for discussing lore
feral stirrup
grunts are apart of lore.
what they said in game is also apart of the lore because it is cannon
somber raptor
grunts are not part of halo lore?
feral stirrup
if you can't even talk about the story in game. then honestly what can you talk about lore wise?
inner basin
cannon
My guy can't even spell canon right
somber raptor
The Grunt rebellion needing an Arbiter to be chosen to put it down?
feral stirrup
oooooooh. this is 343 only lore
feral perch
Grunt dialogue isn’t part of the story
somber raptor
hahahahahahahahaha
feral stirrup
i get what you are pushing for now
somber raptor
and you call yourselves halo fans?
unique rune
Unless their in-game actions and appearances are for whatever reason relevant to a conversation, there's not much reason to discuss it here.
west silo
There dialogue unless scripted are non canon
terse lava
well, the more easter egg things they say wouldn't be considered canon
cedar surge
Who is putting who's words in other people's mouths now
feral perch
“343 only lore?” Don’t be absurd.
somber raptor
bungie, into grunt's mouths, and amking it aprt of the lore
feral stirrup
it's very obvious that most of hte people in here never knew halo back in the bungie days
somber raptor
what a joke
unique rune
Like if you want to talk about the Unggoy Rebellion, sure, or maybe stuff like Yapyap's involvement at the second Ark Conflict...
But just running your mouth about other things...
somber raptor
these 'halo fans' are even less into halo than 343i is
versed helm
it's very obvious that most of hte people in here never knew halo back in the bungie days
@feral stirrup
feral stirrup
that's why they heavily criticize all of the bungie aspects of lore
i finally get it now
craggy sierra
Bungie was opposed to all lore that existed outside of the games. So we do very commonly take Bungie's takes on lore with a grain of salt now.
gusty whale
were allowed to criticize
unique rune
back in the bungie days
You mean the part where they didn't give a toss about the lore and almost got The Fall of Reach cancelled.
craggy sierra
Especially since they went out of their way to contradict a book for an entire game.
cedar surge
So you guys can call 343 terrible but we can't criticise bungie
feral stirrup
that's like me ripping off art from someone else and not allowing the original artists / community involved to be even allowed to speak
somber raptor
criticize bungie all you want
gusty whale
and fyi halo 3, reach, and odst are my top 3 games of all time and i am heavily invested in the lore
somber raptor
but denying that bungie created halo's lore is insane
inner basin
Bungie was more careless with the lore though because their game lore overruled/retconned the books whereas 343 treats both equally
unique rune
but denying that bungie created halo's lore is insane
Except... no one's denying it?
craggy sierra
Halo 2's still my favourite Halo game for its story
west silo
I find it kinda funny that cam is literally just a hype man
unique rune
The hell are you geniuses on about.
feral stirrup
beast. Doesn't matter. Bungies lore still > 343's lore
somber raptor
multiple just said "bungie is not necisarilly canon"
cedar surge
who the he'll said that B ungie didn't make the lore
terse lava
would say it depends on the subject in question
inner basin
beast. Doesn't matter. Bungies lore still > 343's lore
Eh...
feral stirrup
and you all know this to be true. the original trilogy had way better writers
craggy sierra
beast. Doesn't matter. Bungies lore still > 343's lore
@feral stirrup Have you read much of 343's lore?
west silo
Halo 2's still my favourite Halo game for its story
@craggy sierra
Halo 2 has the second best story
somber raptor
also, 343i's lore is garbage. they completely ruined the mystique of the forerunners
arctic zephyr
Halo CE was my favorite. It was just fun.
terse lava
Personally I prefer the expansion 343 has given the Covenant during and before the war
versed helm
Some of Bungie's lore has plotholes
gusty whale
ah yes i say it it must be true
feral perch
He is legit a 343 bad bingo gud guy
somber raptor
no, i detest bungie now
craggy sierra
So why did Halo 3 dump on Halo 2's characters and have stupid lines like "to war?"
feral perch
Halo 3’s story has a massive plothole
somber raptor
but bungie didnt ruin halo's lore, 343i did
feral stirrup
if bungies lore has plotholes. Then 343's looks like your typical street in detroit
terse lava
yes some can claim that the Forerunners lost their mystique, but there was only so far the plot could go
somber raptor
stop with the strawman arguemnts
gusty whale
i love bungies games and love 343s games i dont get why it has to be one or the other
queen otter
but bungie didnt ruin halo's lore, 343i did
Uh oh.
versed helm
stop with the strawman arguemnts
@somber raptor ^
feral perch
343i didn’t ruin Halo’s lore
somber raptor
you cant summarize my arguemnt with the 'x is bad' rhetoric
cedar surge
"And you all know this to be true"? Didn't know you could read our minds
inner basin
but bungie didnt ruin halo's lore, 343i did
That's exactly what a Bungo good, 343 bad type of guy would say
queen otter
No one ruined lore.
gusty whale
exactly lore is lore
somber raptor
no, ruining the Forerunners = ruined lore
terse lava
As I said it depends on the topic
what if one didn't care about the forerunners? would lore still be ruined for them?
queen otter
Ruined to you is very different from my definition.
west silo
also, 343i's lore is garbage. they completely ruined the mystique of the forerunners
@somber raptor.
Mysteries are made to be solved
gusty whale
but not everyone thinks the forerunners were ruined
versed helm
no, ruining the Forerunners = ruined lore
@somber raptor That's purely an opinion
somber raptor
yeah, their lore would be ruined if you did not personally care about them
gusty whale
including me
feral stirrup
you guys really need to watch critical drinkers videos to understand how to properly structure a story and understand plot narratives
somber raptor
universe does not revovle around you
craggy sierra
@feral stirrup Why are you here if you fully acknowledge that you are going to forever and eternally hate everything 343 does while understanding they're not going to be going anywhere.
somber raptor
yes, it's my opnion. thanks for pointing that out
yiminy
triggered fanboys got triggered
gusty whale
and youre the expert @feral stirrup?
queen otter
One part of lore that you don’t like doesn’t ruin its entirety
feral stirrup
waffle. Dude people thought visceral games where going nowhere because of the sucess of deadspace
inner basin
universe does not revovle around you
Same goes for you, but you're in the minority with your opinion
feral stirrup
but look what happened. Don't think microsoft wouldn't do the same either
feral perch
you guys really need to watch critical drinkers videos to understand how to properly structure a story and understand plot narratives
@feral stirrup
this is 100% the worst thing you can do in an internet debate. Don’t recommend somebody else’s words because you won’t make your own coherent argument.
feral stirrup
if infinite does not push record breaking sales i fear they might scrap the studio
west silo
you guys really need to watch critical drinkers videos to understand how to properly structure a story and understand plot narratives
@feral stirrup
Movies and games are not the same dispite what tlou2 wants u to think
queen otter
the dude, that’s not happening.
feral stirrup
stone have you even watched his videos?
somber raptor
you fellas really dont know how to debate, do you?
feral perch
lol Halo 5 broke records and Infinite probably will too.
cedar surge
If anything you guys are being the fanboys. You are calling 343s lore trash while constantly praising bungies lore while barely looking at the faults
craggy sierra
Who tf cares about sales? They're trying to push game pass subs way more than upfront sales now a days.
unique rune
you fellas really dont know how to debate, do you?
As if you're any better.
craggy sierra
It also means you're not going to get accurate sales numbers on Infinite in any way.
somber raptor
yeah, mariah carey songs also broke records, that doesnt mean theyre good
feral stirrup
CD reviews games and pushing the same thing with how to structure chracters and story for developing a proper lore and universe
unique rune
Shouting "343 ruined X" over and over isn't a debate
feral perch
Critical drinker is a bit crass and vulgar, isn’t he?
queen otter
@unique rune @somber raptor ladies ladies calm down lol.
somber raptor
stay out of this
inner basin
Do we have a mod watching over all of this?
queen otter
calm down. Just calmness lol.
somber raptor
i did put forth actual points and arguemnts though, emperor
your summary aint reflecting reality
feral perch
no you didn’t
somber raptor
and none of you have even tried to deal with my criticism outside "shut up bungie lover"
which is silly
you guys are a joke
versed helm
How did Cortana know about the Ark? Why didn't the flood spread itself throughout the galaxy when it took over high charity?
unique rune
Also.
If you really want to talk about "proper narrative structure"... Halo 3's story spends half of its campaign on being the falling action to Halo 2.
craggy sierra
i haven't said that at all cam
queen otter
This is getting heated.
craggy sierra
No one here has
feral perch
There’s nothing but subjectivity in the statements you made
inner basin
Cam, then criticise something and I'll respond
feral stirrup
yeah the originals where by far the best games
queen otter
We are arguing about arguing lol
craggy sierra
Okay? and?
inner basin
yeah the originals where by far the best games
That's subjective, but okay
gusty whale
i like how yall are saying certain things from 343 ruined halo you call us fanboys. @feral stirrup and @somber raptor seem more to be bungie fanboys than us being 343 fanboys
feral perch
No, there can be objectively true points of contention
feral perch
Halo-era Bungie
somber raptor
you should really think these things out a bit better google
feral stirrup
yeah current bungie sucks.
craggy sierra
That doesn't mean the lore of all 343 stuff is bad, especially with some of their more recent books.
somber raptor
there can be objectively true points, but were talking about video game lore and persnonal preferences
craggy sierra
Some of their more recent books have been great.
gusty whale
i was talking about halo bungie, not destiny bungie
somber raptor
which is solely the realm of opinion
unique rune
Oh boy is it my turn to move the goalposts next
west silo
The books are honestly one of the best parts about halo
queen otter
yeah....anyway
somber raptor
but you'll double down and move said goalposts anyway
feral perch
you remove your position from any kind of falsification and then claim nobody has valid rebuttals. that’s cowardly
queen otter
Yikes
unique rune
I mean
You were the one who moved them in the first place
feral perch
no it’s definitely your problem
somber raptor
when did i move the goalposts?
unique rune
defends Bungie's Halo-era decisions
called a Bungie fanboy
"no current Bungie sucks I can't be a Bungie fanboy"
somber raptor
thats not moving the goalposts at all
queen otter
feral stirrup
so if you defend something that makes you an automatic fanboy of it?
somber raptor
i like old halo. i used to like bungie, but disliked them before destiny
craggy sierra
I'm glad the pilot is in specifically because it reflects themes of more grounded and realistic depictions of human emotions and interactions that are present in a lot the books.
somber raptor
and so im not a fanboy
feral stirrup
that argument literally makes zero sense.
somber raptor
you calling me one is then a lie
and so then is your arguemnt now
there, refuted
that's how debate is done fellas
feral perch
so if you defend something that makes you an automatic fanboy of it?
@feral stirrup
YOU WERE LITERALLY ACCUSING US OF BEING 343i FANBOYS FOR THIS EXACT REASON
somber raptor
you are 343 fanboys
not because he said so, but because that is an objective truth
west silo
Can we just agree to disagree and stop
queen otter
I am not. So your argument is now refuted @somber raptor
cedar surge
You are a massive hypocrite
feral perch
I’m not a 343i fanboy
west silo
This is going nowhere
feral stirrup
why? what's the point of having a discussion if everyone always agree wtih you all the time?
gusty whale
me neither
feral perch
lies
unique rune
not because he said so, but because that is an objective truth
So... when you say it, it's true, but when we say it, it's not.
Alrighty then.
gusty whale
but i like a lot of their decisions
somber raptor
that emperor guy is too
feral stirrup
you might as well not talk to anyone then and only talk to yourself. We all have disagreements which is the point of having a discussion or debate related to lore
gusty whale
i like bungie and343 equally
cedar surge
They also made bad decisions
queen otter
Can we just move on? Lol. This is laughable.
craggy sierra
343 gave us the Legacy of Onyx book so they a'ight in my mind.
unique rune
I have... many criticisms of how 343 handled the in-between period of Halo 4 and Halo 5.
somber raptor
you just ignored mine anway, so i should probably keep it equitable and ignore yours, if you made one
feral perch
Halo 5’s campaign is really, really awful.
unique rune
Mainly in regards to the Escalation comics.
Those were generally not great.
craggy sierra
I am a fan of things 343 has done, especially with regards to finally porting the games to PC now.
feral perch
Halo 4 multiplayer got boring faster than all the others.
feral stirrup
yes porting the original bungie games was a great idea
west silo
you might as well not talk to anyone then and only talk to yourself. We all have disagreements which is the point of having a discussion or debate related to lore
@feral stirrup
It gets very annoying and an outright waste of time when I idiots say literally nothing productive or constructive at all
craggy sierra
I'll still call them out if they do stupid stuff but they've been on a good streak for a long time now since H5
queen otter
You can hit max level within 2 months on H4. Yeah, that’s pretty bad lol. That is if you are playing it every day.
feral stirrup
so spartain what you are saying by being productive or constructuctive is pretty much agreeing with everything you say at all times?
unique rune
I have no strong feelings regarding Halo 4's MP but I'm quite fond of the campaign.
feral perch
But Brohammer seems like a very promising character to me.
arctic zephyr
Halo 5 was a bit rough. Not bad, but they just did not put out their best.
But that is opinion
feral stirrup
halo 5 made zero sense
craggy sierra
so spartain what you are saying by being productive or constructure is pretty much agreeing with everything you say at all times?
No, that just means not constantly saying 343 is literally satan every sentence and leverage criticisms without vitriol.
queen otter
It made sense, but it didn’t execute well at all.
inner basin
halo 5 made zero sense
I thought it was quite coherent. The premise just wasn’t executed properly
somber raptor
343 isn't satan. they just never met expectations when it comes to producing halo games
feral stirrup
the cortana plot was dumb
craggy sierra
c'est la vie
unique rune
I think a lot of the concepts in Halo 5's campaign could've worked, but the execution was... very far off the mark.
Thought it was mostly fun to play, though, repetitive Warden Eternal fights aside.
somber raptor
i dont hate 343i, though i do hate that they ruined the frerunners, which ruins the entire background lore of the game
west silo
so spartain what you are saying by being productive or constructuctive is pretty much agreeing with everything you say at all times?
@feral stirrup
No its actually putting up an argument that doesn't only consist of you going nah uh 343 bad halo bungie dah bestest evaaaaa
cedar surge
Yea cortana coming back was dumb
gusty whale
"hey, i actually gave an arguemnt as to why im not a fanboy have any of you?"@somber raptor ok. im not a 343 fanboy because i think halo 4s multiplayer sucks, and i like halo 5s story on paper but it wasnt executed well in the game. im not a bungie fanboy because i frankly find halo 1 boring at a certain point, and i dont like some aspects of the art style, such as certain weapon designs. hows that for an argument?
craggy sierra
I mean there's some elements of the forerunners that kinda just raised too many questions without being explained
somber raptor
though if you fellas are criticizing 343i, i will then say i was wrong to call you fanboys
feral stirrup
so basically it refers to the ladder of what i just said spartan
arctic zephyr
Yeah.... it just felt clunky, it made sense chronologically, just not cleanly fit in with the rest of the lore, and it did not have the same weight that previous games had to their delivery. It just felt like a series dungeon runs instead of a chaptered struggle.
somber raptor
assuming you're arguing in good faith, and i do for now
feral stirrup
they always made jokes about halo 5 to where you might as well just call it call of halo duty
west silo
Yea cortana coming back was dumb
@cedar surge.
It should have been the didact or at least done later
craggy sierra
Didact's depiction in Halo 4, kinda garbo. You have to go super out of your way to get his entire backstory.
somber raptor
though that said, the library was a garbage waste of time in halo ce, but i dont think it actually amde the game worse for it being included
somber raptor
the game was a masterpiece, the library was just the low point
arctic zephyr
yup
craggy sierra
Most of the second half was the low point
feral stirrup
meaning the library is still better than halo 5
arctic zephyr
It still has the glitch where you can throw a grenade out of the pelican and go for a ride to the edge of the map
feral stirrup
odst did suck
craggy sierra
ODST was great though
unique rune
The Library just makes me question why anyone ever trusted Bungie with level design.
gusty whale
i agree its a masterpiece, just levels like assault on the control room and truth and reconciliation get boring for me
feral stirrup
for a game that wasn't even a complete game
queen otter
I doubt anyone forgot about ODST
craggy sierra
I liked ODST because it was the first time they showed somewhat relatable characters in Halo.
arctic zephyr
ODST did not really do it for me as a halo game. It does well as a standalone snippit into the wider world.
feral stirrup
i honestly did. I can't even remember what was in it besides being a shock trooper
west silo
Didact's depiction in Halo 4, kinda garbo. You have to go super out of your way to get his entire backstory.
@craggy sierra
Well u kinda have to do the same for the prophets true intentions as well
feral stirrup
and a love drama between buck and that one chick whos name i don't even remember
queen otter
Dare
gusty whale
mombasa streets is easily the best mission in all of halo imo
feral stirrup
haha nobody cares about dare
queen otter
I do
gusty whale
the ambience and the terminals are so good
feral stirrup
you are one out of a million. even the 343 fanboys don't care about her
west silo
Most of the second half was the low point
@craggy sierra
Its literally just going backwards but this time flood
versed helm
Even if ODST is one of my lesser preferred Halo games, it was refreshing
queen otter
you are one out of a million. even the 343 fanboys don't care about her
Ok
unique rune
I like ODST a fair bit.
Revisiting it as part of the current MCC PC flight test has been fun.
Though I forgot how ridiculously far you lob grenades in the game.
west silo
yeah, the library is still much better than halo 4 and 5
@somber raptor
Really??
somber raptor
really
versed helm
The mission from CE?
arctic zephyr
Its the gameplay that saves it.
feral stirrup
yes really. the library was a great zombie apocalypse level
arctic zephyr
it becomes an endurance challenge very easily
craggy sierra
That's kind of one of those things where how do you even compare 45 minutes of walking down a hallway fighting hordes of the exact same enemy to a full game.
queen otter
But it was not better than H4 and H5 in its entirety.
feral stirrup
the library would of been even better if you had woody harrelson to guide you through it
inner basin
I wasn't a big fan of the Library or Two Betrayals for that matter
fringe robin
the library was a snoozefest
craggy sierra
Who?
arctic zephyr
And a speed contest. Its so fun when you get a good rhythm going and start rolling from engagement to engagement.
feral stirrup
chief, 343 guilty spark and woody harrelson guiding you through the library fighting off tons of infected zombies
arctic zephyr
Put it on legendary and get a good little skirmish map
versed helm
Idk about it being better than all of Halo 4 and 5. I personally thought Midnight from Halo 4 was a fantastic level (that’s just my opinion tho)
west silo
The library was just annoying
somber raptor
the library was terrible because it was 10 doors too long, but it was still better than 4 and 5
which was 2 games too long
fringe robin
edgy
queen otter
It was not better than H4 and H5
unique rune
I don't think there's any missions in Halo 4 that I especially dislike... in comparison to some of the stuff from the original trilogy...
queen otter
The only one I disliked was “Forerunner” in H4. It was a pain on legendary.
arctic zephyr
The forerunners were not that unique from the covenant or flood and were not very interesting to me. Pretty much just pinning down the knights like jump pack elites and the little dog things like jackals.
Vehicles get you the rest of the way.
west silo
I don't think there's any missions in Halo 4 that I especially dislike... in comparison to some of the stuff from the original trilogy...
@unique rune.
The level cortana was only saved by the end cutscene
unique rune
The only one I disliked was “Forerunner” in H4. It was a pain on legendary.
Yeah, that one’s definitely a bit of a pain.
inner basin
IMO Halo 2 had a great story but wasn't that fun to play whereas Halo 5 didn't have a well executed story but was fun to play, but what's this gotta do with the lore?
queen otter
I agree
versed helm
Agree
queen otter
In H5 it was definitely fun playing around with abilities within the campaign
versed helm
Oh yeah this is a lore chat
west silo
The promethean knights in 5 were pretty balanced
gusty whale
i personally like the overarching story of halo 5
chief getting hunted and the guardians etc
but playing as locke screwed it up
queen otter
Tbh H5 on paper seems pretty cool.
arctic zephyr
I would give it a 3/5
queen otter
It wasn’t really Locke that screwed it up. I think people didn’t like him because a mainline halo game usually featured Chief 95% through the game.
arctic zephyr
Good, but not really the hitter it could have been.
inner basin
Being hunted by this ex-ONI agent had an eerie vibe to it when I first heard it, but again, the execution just wasn't good
gusty whale
it would have been cool if he was in the background hunting you and you narrowly escape him each mission or something
arctic zephyr
They squandered a lot of opportunity for expanded context and new engagement types
queen otter
But as opposed to H5 you only get to play as Chief less than like 30% of the game.
west silo
It wasn’t really Locke that screwed it up. I think people didn’t like him because a mainline halo game usually featured Chief 95% through the game.
@queen otter
Its more that they went overboard with his levels
queen otter
His levels?
arctic zephyr
That hunting scenario was the whole Meridian part of it.
It would have made a better campaign if it was like that the whole game.
west silo
Like out of the 13 missions only 3 are chief
nimble crest
Does anyone know any videos about all known spartan IIIs
gusty whale
i love locke as a character but i dont like playing as him
versed helm
Ok I’m going to ask a lore question. We know that during the Forerunner-Flood War, The Didact was unable to compose himself because his “new form” was incompatible with the composer, yet he was able to be composed after he returned to Installation 03. Is there an explanation of why? Just curious
unique rune
I just wish 343 hadn't mission aborted hard with a bunch of the remaining plot threads from Spartan Ops before Halo 5.
Those could've been neat to explore.
queen otter
Like out of the 13 missions only 3 are chief
H5 has 15 missions not 16. But close enough lol. Locke was featured in 12
unique rune
Is there an explanation of why?
I don't believe so?
Closest I think we've gotten is more or less "this time he got hit with multiple instead of just one," though that may just be speculation.
west silo
Ok I’m going to ask a lore question. We know that during the Forerunner-Flood War, The Didact was unable to compose himself because his “new form” was incompatible with the composer, yet he was able to be composed after he returned to Installation 03. Is there an explanation of why? Just curious
@versed helm
6 composers at once I guess
H5 has 15 missions not 16. But close enough lol. Locke was featured in 12
@queen otter
But u get the point
inner basin
Does anyone know any videos about all known spartan IIIs
@nimble crest The following is a video of those that survived the HCW - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fXBmMKsndE. I know it's not exactly what you asked for, but it's the best one I could think of
queen otter
Yep
versed helm
@versed helm
6 composers at once I guess
@west silo that is all I could think of really
I was just curious if maybe there was any other underlying reason
unique rune
Man.
I'd forgotten how... not... great Escalation's art is.
west silo
Man.
I'd forgotten how... not... great Escalation's art is.
@unique rune
Halsey looks possessed in most panels
inner basin
Man.
I'd forgotten how... not... great Escalation's art is.
Kinda fits my opinion of the comic as a whole
unique rune
Yeah the writing isn't much better
if at all
nimble crest
Did nobles armor come as is or where they base model of something
unique rune
It mostly just feels like "well crap we still have dangling threads from Spartan Ops, gotta kill those somehow"
west silo
What makes escalations sad is that it was supposed to be Spartan ops S2
nimble crest
I want a spartan II-III spartan ops about reach or headhunters or something
versed helm
Shadows of Reach is still planned for October correct?
unique rune
Last I checked, yeah, still scheduled for October
inner basin
I want a spartan II-III spartan ops about reach or headhunters or something
I'd be game for this tbh. Anything S-III really I'd be game for
nimble crest
I love them
versed helm
Last I checked, yeah, still scheduled for October
@unique rune I think they were originally planning to do something similar to the Fall of Reach where the book released about a month before the game
nimble crest
I really want more headhunter content
inner basin
I love them
Glad someone else likes the IIIs as much as me. It used to be just me and Eternal Canadian (wherever he is now)
nimble crest
Imagine a fully tactical headhunter game
Choose your approach to missions
Long marches and stuff
Stealth full assault
inner basin
This has been a dream of mine, but I still hope that their might be a Headhunter DLC in Infinite. I mean there isn't a shortage of Spartan-IIIs when you include the Gammas, but I bet there are some veteran Alpha/Beta S-III Headhunters still kicking
versed helm
Imma be honest, I kind of like Del Rio. I feel like he’s symbolic of a UNSC that has moved on. That’s just me though
nimble crest
Would Lucy be active as of 2560
inner basin
We last heard of them in 2558 I think, but they are on Travelyan which was moved into slipspace to disable a Guardian and escape the servants of the Abiding Truth
vapid willow
You know, I never stopped to think about how much of a treasure trove Trevelyan is for the UNSC. It was meant to house the remaining Forerunner population, so even just basic quality of life stuff for Forerunners would be astounding to Human scientists.
west silo
Didn't onyx have a cloning facility or something
gilded mason
Not as far as I'm aware.
gilded mason
Probably
versed helm
Shipmaster’s definition of an even fight: Outnumbered 3-1
Offensive Bias’s definition of an even fight: Outnumbered 436-1
gilded mason
Rtas is his name, FYI
terse lava
what's going on?
versed helm
Rtas is his name, FYI
@gilded mason thanks
safe stump
Are the engineers still there though?
I believe they kept some there but moved a bunch to Infinity from what I can remember, plus transferring two to Port Stanley, etc.
gusty whale
one of my favorite things about halo is onyx/trevelyan and how absurdly massive it is
i saw that its diameter is the same as the diameter of earths orbit
which is ridiculous
cedar surge
I saw a thing that said it was as big as our solar system before it turned into sentinels
gusty whale
i thought before it turned into sentinels it was an average planet size
but i know its shield world version contains a small system
terse lava
I still wonder what happened to those sentinels guarding it
gilded mason
"Traviss kinda forgot about the sentinels."
gilded mason
Was making a Game of Thrones joke
terse lava
i am sad I did not get it 😫
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
then again never got heavily into it
gilded mason
You get the reference, though, right?
gilded mason
Ah, okay lol
terse lava
after watching the blonde chick jump into the fire and then later be nude with dragon eggs....yeah
gilded mason
||The showrunners said something like: "Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet" in response to her suddenly getting her dragon killed by them when she was flying over the water to scout out enemy territory. Even though the previous scene has her talking about how troublesome that fleet is and how she'd need to be careful.||
cedar surge
Maybe those sentinels went to the ark
terse lava
ah I see
gilded mason
That would...take a while.
cedar surge
The SoF managed to do it in 30 years with some help
gusty whale
do we know what brought the sof there or nah?
nimble crest
Wasn’t halo reach gonna originally follow the book without alterations
gilded mason
Don't think so? Some early planning even had it taking place over a period of around eight months
feral stirrup
halo doom eterninfinite should be the title
cedar surge
Watched Spartan ops 7
Why are marines barely killing anything with their ARs but Palmer somehow manages to kill prometheans with duel magnums and lasky staggering a promthean and shooting it with a shotgun
Why are only marines treated as canon fodder that can't do anything
Also
Wow prometheans suck
They can't even kill a ship captain
feral stirrup
the marines in those scenes should just wear useless white plastic armor
cedar surge
Marines are not grunts
feral stirrup
since they can't hit anything
feral stirrup
...
loud saffron
cedar surge
That apprently the marines can't hit a thing but a ship captain can stagger a promthean and kill it
feral stirrup
hence why those marines should wear useless white plastic armor
cedar surge
That was the stupidest case of plot armor I've seen
I don't think it was ever that bad
feral stirrup
if they edited that scene with those marines wearing useless white plastic armor that doesn't fit in to the background setting that would make way more sense in why they can't hit anything
craggy sierra
You seem to be oddly obsessed with the phrase "useless white plastic armour"
nimble crest
White plastic armor?
unique rune
probably referring to stuff like Imperial stormtrooper armor
craggy sierra
He was
nimble crest
Would the heretics in halo 2 kill humans if the humans weren’t shooting first?
gilded mason
Don't think so
nimble crest
How do you think that intermission would go
gilded mason
"Yeah...sorry."
gilded mason
Maybe they did.