#lore-and-universe

1 messages Ā· Page 378 of 1

nimble crest
#

Silence lance
I want to be happy

cobalt quiver
#

Were those books good?

gilded mason
#

Fairly good

cobalt quiver
#

Nice. I own and plan on reading bad blood and fall of reach

cedar surge
#

I wonder how many people total died in the human covenant war on every sidd

delicate notch
#

For you who have read most/all books, which is the best author in your opinion?

feral perch
#

Silent Storm is top tier, one of the best Halo novels yet

unique rune
#

I don't remember enough of the ones I've read to make any such statement

feral perch
#

Eric Nylund is a clear winner for me

west silo
#

I wonder how many people total died in the human covenant war on every sidd
@cedar surge
23 billion human or more
And high charity makes 8 billion covenant and gyke made 3 billion

delicate notch
#

I always thought Eric Nylund was Swedish (Its a Swedish name). Im disappointed to learn hes not D:

cedar surge
#

I thino more than 8 billion covenant were killed. They have been at war with humanity for 30 years. That death toll would likely go up just from the amount of dead grunts alone.

rich aspen
#

cool

#

grunts reproduce like rabbits

cedar surge
#

Plus don't forget that other sanghelli colony that was nova bombed

rich aspen
#

so I mean honestly it wouldnt change anything

#

bro glyke and holy retrobution I think were low key dope

#

killing billions of split chin elites.

#

okay im sorry but why is there a filter for swearing?

#

HOLY CRAP WHAT

cedar surge
#

To make the server more professional I think

west silo
#

The covenant was never truly threatened by humanity its just the flood that ruined everything and truth being a power hungry control freak

delicate notch
#

@rich aspen Just ask a moderator and they might fix it šŸ™‚

feral perch
#

deal with it guiltyspark

cedar surge
#

I never said the covenant was threatened by humanity

delicate notch
#

Ive had 3-4 warnings removed cause of weird black listing

cedar surge
#

I just said the death toll would likely be more than 8 billion

west silo
#

13 billion then

cedar surge
#

Because that's just from high charity and glyke

#

Oh where did that number come from?

nimble crest
#

Glyke?

rich aspen
#

Glyke got nuked by three spartans

cedar surge
#

It was a elite colony the unsc destroyed

west silo
#

8 billion from high charity
3 billion from tyke
2 billion or more from onyx planet

nimble crest
#

Nice

rich aspen
#

tyke

west silo
#

Autocorrect is strange

rich aspen
#

Tyke

#

what in sam hell

#

honestly those billions killed on the day of jubilation and glyke are just like

nimble crest
#

Does anyone else really like the design of the corvette

#

Poor guy

west silo
#

It okay

nimble crest
#

Warden got him

rich aspen
#

I legit hate whoever designed that bot

cedar surge
#

Covenant corvette?

delicate notch
#

Yea, I dislike the word filter they use here too.

boreal bane
#

Don't bypass the the filter please

nimble crest
#

From Reach

rich aspen
#

ight

#

stcker

#

why does the word filter exist

boreal bane
#

Because this is a family friendly server

delicate notch
#

Cause its an official Halo discord server

nimble crest
#

Why is that bot here? Are there small children Iā€™m unaware of?

cedar surge
#

I'm sure there are

west silo
#

Because halo is rated T for teens now I guess

boreal bane
#

Game ratings have no bearing on how the server is run

rich aspen
#

A word filter on the discord of a game where you slaughter dozens of aliens and have people say the words that are blocked

boreal bane
#

I'm sure you'll survive :)

rich aspen
#

cool

feral perch
#

As Johnson says, deal with it.

rich aspen
#

as johnson says in the games

#

oh wait

#

I cant say them

nimble crest
#

Halo k i n d a has a race of popcorn that rips apart the body of a host and makes them feel horrible pain and rips everything they know from them and makes them feel all of it.

rich aspen
#

in halo lore a person does the thing before marriage

unique rune
#

does this really have to be that big of a deal

#

just get over it and move on

cedar surge
#

Yea you get used to it

west silo
#

Halo has a bunch of robots that are souls encased in armor constantly screaming in agony

feral perch
#

nobody cares

nimble crest
#

šŸ˜

#

Some people canā€™t joce on this server

cedar surge
#

Its not exactly that big of a deal

delicate notch
#

Dont use the D-word and you'll be okay. And dont spell green with more than 2 Es

west silo
#

does this really have to be that big of a deal
@unique rune
It stops us from expressing our selfs in a certain way so a little

cedar surge
#

Its just that you can't swear here

boreal bane
#

It's not really up for discussion, so feel free to move on

west silo
#

Oh no it doesn't affect in me in anyway

delicate notch
#

I do at least appreciate that you dm us which word was prohibited @boreal bane - Unlike most servers.

#

"you got warned for using a blocked word" seem to be the standard.

nimble crest
#

Does anyone know anything more about the summa deep space incident

#

Besides Eva

versed helm
#

Oooh I like where this is going

nimble crest
#

Was it an ONI cover up

full forge
#

So, how well are naval personnel trained for combat?

west silo
#

Looks at CE how do u think

versed helm
#

And since they had to follow Cole Protocol, The UNSC Jordan open fired onto the station, assuring that no information were to fall into the hands of The Covenant.

#

@nimble crest there ya go, took me a while šŸ‘†šŸ‘†šŸ‘†

fair hazel
#

That is a big wall of non-canon stuff right there. @versed helm

#

Is that supposed to be your fan fiction?

versed helm
#

@fair hazel what isnt canon?

unique rune
#

Uh.
Everything written there isn't canon.

versed helm
#

@unique rune huh

#

Welp

gilded mason
#

Where did you find that

nimble crest
#

Where is

versed helm
#

There goes 30 minutes

unique rune
#

There is nothing official on the Summa Deep Space Incident outside of it being mentioned off-handedly

nimble crest
#

I still wanted to read it šŸ„¶

fair hazel
#

Did you just take someone's fan fiction?

versed helm
#

This may not be canon, but it is to me

#

Also, thats the link

fair hazel
#

You just went off to find someone's fan fiction.. on the bungie forums..?

#

It's not canon at all.

nimble crest
versed helm
#

@fair hazel I still thinks it's a good addition to was a vaguely told.

#

Its like a theory

#

šŸ¤”

cedar surge
#

Still

#

Not canon

fair hazel
#

fan fic

cedar surge
#

Plus

#

I would say only like 20 percent of fan fiction is good

#

Also I would say check halopedia to confirm your knowledge

#

Because there is a bunch of false information

#

For example

#

No the warthog was not made to chase after ghosts

versed helm
#

@cedar surge obviously

#

I may be dumb but im not an idiot

cedar surge
#

You are not dumb

versed helm
#

Maybe in a sense to smaller details in the overall lore

#

That, I am dumb in

cedar surge
#

So where are all locations the prometheans can come from?

#

Where they all at reqieum and then scattered?

versed helm
#

What do you mean by that

#

I believe a majority of them were stationed at requiem and maybe a few at other areas of the galaxy

#

They WERE very effective against the flood, but lacking in numbers

cedar surge
#

I thought they were still susceptible to the logic plauge

#

Since they got turned into a AI

versed helm
#

Against flood combat forms and as seen in a terminal in h4, aerial assault vehicles

#

No sentient being that I can think of is unaffected by the graveminds swrpent tongue

west silo
#

Actually if we go by siletium the promethean knights were never used against the flood

versed helm
#

@west silo but if we go by the terminals in the game, there are flashes of them slicing into infwcted starships and detonating themselves

#

You are probably right about the combat form thing though

#

They may not have fought one on one with combat forms, but looking at the fact they cant be physically infected, I'd say they would do better than your average Jenkins

west silo
#

What happened in the terminal couldn't have happened because the didact composed the humans and went to require and the librarian followed him and then he composed the warrior servants

versed helm
#

@west silo dont you love plot holes?

west silo
#

The keyship would have to be superslow

#

The domain did get nuked so maybe its forgetting some information

versed helm
#

@west silo or since the fact that both the forerunners and precursors were able to access it, something else might have been altered as well

nimble crest
#

Why werenā€™t more Spartans allowed to customize their armor?

versed helm
#

@nimble crest they were too busy fighting and dying

nimble crest
#

Right

west silo
#

Because there armor is expensive and its very unprofessional

versed helm
#

@nimble crest and noble team was one of the very few spartan 3 teams to upgrade to mjolnir

west silo
#

And it depends on which Spartans

versed helm
#

@west silo that too

west silo
#

And they were special

versed helm
#

@west silo very

#

What I want to know is if the flood/current precursors still have access to the domain

#

Also the domain is way older than the galaxy halo lives in

nimble crest
#

Combat advantages arent really unprofessional

versed helm
#

@nimble crest it was still expensive

#

@nimble crest and spartan 3s are meant to be expendable

cedar surge
#

I don't know scratching a skull into a million dollar helmet might be unprofessional

west silo
#

Also the domain is way older than the galaxy halo lives in
@versed helm
Potentially the universe if we take the number at face value

versed helm
#

@cedar surge it was menacing to the enemy so they didnt say anything

nimble crest
#

Idk it kinda scared the life out of indies and covies

versed helm
#

@west silo I wonder how many times the galaxy has reset itself

nimble crest
#

Like, 3?

versed helm
#

@nimble crest no

nimble crest
#

Lmao

cedar surge
#

A man in full armor that can keep running even deflecting bullets off the armor who has a skull for a helmet and is running 40 km a hour

gaunt zephyr
#

Iā€™m pretty shure if you want to customize your armour you would have to ask your team leader same goes for load out

west silo
#

Isn't or universe theorized to be like 13 billion years old

gaunt zephyr
#

Idk it said it in a book

versed helm
#

@gaunt zephyr if your following spartan IV standards, yeah

nimble crest
#

Stupid spartan 4s

versed helm
#

@west silo around that number

cedar surge
#

Well the precursors seeded life in our galaxy

nimble crest
#

Get them outta here

versed helm
#

@cedar surge but how many times have they seeded the galaxy?

west silo
#

And the domain is a 100 years old

cedar surge
#

Are you another "ooga booga,Spartan 4 bad"?

versed helm
#

@cedar surge he is

craggy sierra
#

Spartan 4ā€™s are fine

versed helm
#

@west silo the domain is not 100 years old

west silo
#

Yes it is

craggy sierra
#

Try like 6 more zeroes

cedar surge
#

@versed helm the precursors went to different galaxies in the universe to seed them with life

nimble crest
#

They donā€™t even act like Spartans dog

craggy sierra
#

Good

versed helm
#

@cedar surge and what happened to those galaxies

nimble crest
#

Like Palmer was ok

craggy sierra
#

Thatā€™s a good thing

cedar surge
#

@versed helm we don't know

west silo
#

Emile didn't act like a Spartan

#

And he's alright

versed helm
#

@cedar surge there is an installation 00 video you might want to watch

cedar surge
#

@versed helm yes because he is a theory channel

#

Not everything he says is canon

#

He makes theories

nimble crest
#

But he wasnā€™t flamboyant and wasnā€™t it in spartan assault or something that 4s had intercourse with locals on the planet they were patrolling

versed helm
#

@cedar surge I know

craggy sierra
#

Spartan 2s and 3s all act like millitary yes men who you point at an objective and they do it without question cause they went through a military indoctrination program as children. Having character who actually grew up and learned to function like normal members of society is a good thing.

west silo
#

If the flood ate them the halo galaxy would all ready be dead cause all flood are connected and they'd come back to finish it

versed helm
#

@cedar surge I just like lurking around in what might be

cedar surge
#

Wow you guys really want ONI to kidnap new children

craggy sierra
#

Halo 5 screwed up a bunch of things with its spartan 4 cast but unlike spartan 2s and 3s, a group of 4 people is not indicative of the entire program.

versed helm
#

Keyword "MIGHT"

nimble crest
#

Iā€™m taking examples from multiple things like blue team, red team, noble, Lucy, Tom, etc. 4s donā€™t have the intensity and intimidation of a spartan 2/3

cedar surge
#

Spartan 4s are not mindless robots

#

That's why

craggy sierra
#

Who tf cares?

versed helm
#

There's nothing wrong with believing in theories, but if it disregards something already established in lore, like how the mjolnir suit jerks off master chief, then I have a problem with it

craggy sierra
#

Spartan 2s and 3s also canā€™t socialize like normal people. Being a bland but intimidating brick becomes a bland thing to watch after a while.

west silo
#

No the flood said they consumed galaxies we don't know when. It could easily be the previous. Ones who were to get the mantle

craggy sierra
#

In the long run Haloā€™s gonna need some more personable characters in the driver seat that Spartan 2s and 3s canā€™t provide.

cedar surge
#

What is this 40k? Spartans don't have to be soulless sociopaths anymore Because the war is over and they can finally recruit adults

versed helm
#

@cedar surge exactly

west silo
#

Spartan 2s and 3s also canā€™t socialize like normal people. Being a bland but intimidating brick becomes a bland thing to watch after a while.
@craggy sierra
Hey now the ferrets are getting there

nimble crest
#

I donā€™t like 4s. Ok? They are ODSTs essentially.

gilded mason
#

Spartan 2s and 3s also canā€™t socialize like normal people.
I dunno, Fred certainly didn't have much trouble. :^)

nimble crest
#

Heh

versed helm
#

Fred is great though

cedar surge
#

@nimble crest no they are not. They get augmentation like any other spartans

west silo
#

I donā€™t like 4s. Ok? They are ODSTs essentially.
@nimble crest
Thats the point science has improved

nimble crest
#

That are significantly less powerful then the others.

cedar surge
#

Ok that's it

versed helm
#

Oh no

cedar surge
#

That's where you are wrong

craggy sierra
#

Remember when ODST had the best cast of characters in a Halo game and it was fun to see them interact and share personality chemistry. What if Halo could have that in its games without me questioning why a normal dude is able to hop on a Wraith and punch it to death?

nimble crest
#

Here we go

craggy sierra
#

Thatā€™s what Spartan 4ā€™s are for.

west silo
#

That are significantly less powerful then the others.
@nimble crest
Only out of armor and because of less training

versed helm
#

I'll be back to talk about the primordial's last words

craggy sierra
#

Spartan 4ā€™s are canonically just as strong as 2s and 3s.

cedar surge
#

Yes

nimble crest
#

I liked alpha 9 because the game knew what they were. Spartan 4s donā€™t match the intensity of a spartan.

craggy sierra
#

And?

cedar surge
#

Intensity of a Spartan? Could you please explain that

west silo
#

As in painful?

craggy sierra
#

Alpha nine is spartans now. We can have them be in a game without us having to wonder why they can punch tanks to death,

west silo
#

Because the s4 augmentation is painful

craggy sierra
#

Thatā€™s literally what Spartan 4ā€™s are for

#

So we can have more personable and varied super soldiers who donā€™t all share the same personality.

nimble crest
#

Letā€™s not go into why the odsts ingame could punch wraiths to death. Donā€™t think that part is canonical.

west silo
#

Isn't the point that all humans are gonna become Spartans some day

nimble crest
#

Donā€™t believe so

cedar surge
#

I hope we don't get to that point

gilded mason
#

Halsey has that ideal

nimble crest
#

We can agree on that

west silo
#

Yep the halo 4 intro basically spells it out

versed helm
#

I think he means in the fact that most spartan IIs are not as emotionally open as spartan IVs

#

I think

cedar surge
#

Most people who are genetically altered is fine, but everyone being a spartan is a no

west silo
#

And ancient humanity were basically all Spartans

craggy sierra
#

Itā€™s not cannonical but what is canonical is the fact that alpha nine was a very charismatic group and to see more stories told with characters like that spartan 2s and 3s would not be able to deliver on that.

versed helm
#

@west silo that's because they had almost reached peak evolution

west silo
#

Think more cyberpunk and less call of duty

cedar surge
#

Because if we get to that point of everybody being a Spartan then there is no point of being a Spartan then when everybody is

gilded mason
#

I loved the exaggerated body animations for them in that game. Made 'em feel more "alive"

cedar surge
#

Oh yea I noticed that

craggy sierra
#

So instead they wrote an avenue into the universe wherein people without a universally shared backstory and different personalities and outlooks can fill the gameplay mechanical roles implicit with being a spartan.

cedar surge
#

Odst has the most liveliest of movements of the halo games

craggy sierra
#

If you donā€™t like Spartan 4ā€™s then go back in time and stop bungie from writing 2s and 3s in a way that forces them to all be the same.

nimble crest
#

Look
I donā€™t like 4s itā€™s my choice to not like them. You can like them if you want, thatā€™s your opinion.
Can we move to a new topic

versed helm
#

@nimble crest all we ask is to keep an open mind to the subject

nimble crest
#

I am, I just canā€™t bring myself to enjoy 4s.

versed helm
#

So, primordial's last words, what do we got?

west silo
#

Yeah because the next we know 343 might murder all the S4s

#

And nobody wants that

versed helm
#

I enjoy fireteam majestic

nimble crest
#

Iā€™ll admit thereā€™d be like 10 Spartans left lmao

#

Majestic thatā€™s the mfers

west silo
#

Fireteam shadow are pretty cool

versed helm
#

Black team was pretty cool

cedar surge
#

Fireteam raven

versed helm
#

@cedar surge rest their souls

nimble crest
#

Were odsts

#

Rip

west silo
#

Black team was pretty cool
@versed helm
Literally cause there dead

cedar surge
#

I'm not sure if the PoA blew up before they got infected

craggy sierra
#

Maybe ask 343 to instead write better spartan 4 characters instead of scrapping the entire prospect. Because thereā€™s a very valid reason and even necessity for them to exist for the longevity of Halo.

versed helm
#

@west silo I need another comic featuring them

cedar surge
#

I hope so

fair hazel
#

Another ā€œspartan IV badā€ person with a lot of wrongful information. Ughhh

nimble crest
#

šŸ˜

cedar surge
#

I don't want them to suffer in the hivemind

nimble crest
#

They prolly didnā€™t

versed helm
#

@cedar surge pretty sure the process would have been about a quarter of a way done before the ring went boom

fair hazel
#

One of my favourite IVs is naiya Ray

cedar surge
#

Yea its almost as bad as "ooga booga bungie good ooga booga 343 bad"

#

Who is that?

versed helm
#

@cedar surge I hate those

west silo
#

Bungie could be evil sometimes

nimble crest
#

343 cares about halo. They just didnā€™t get it right, but they want it to live.

versed helm
#

Gears of war is a great franchise with some minor issues in 5

cedar surge
#

Yea the production of halo wars

versed helm
#

But I dont complain

west silo
#

@cedar surge I hate those
@versed helm
I love the channel but hidden experia can go overboard with it sometimes

fair hazel
craggy sierra
#

That doesnā€™t mean 343 canā€™t turn it around even if Iā€™m hesitant to say they havenā€™t gotten it right,

cedar surge
#

I feel like I seen her before

versed helm
#

@cedar surge halo wars was just them going, " remember when halo was gonna be an mmo? Yeah lets do that now."

#

@west silo I dont like how he complains about sprint, but I admire his love for delta halo

west silo
#

Gears of war is a great franchise with some minor issues in 5
@versed helm
5 has the halo 4 problem great story horrible mutiplayer

versed helm
#

@west silo I dont play the gears multiplayer and for good reason. Its like mw3

fair hazel
#

Sheā€™s in escalation

west silo
#

Yea the production of halo wars
@cedar surge
And halo 2 the great crunch

fair hazel
#

Joins up majestic after her team was killed.

#

Goes on a trip with Lasky too

cedar surge
#

Remeber that guy who said crunch could be good depending on the situation

versed helm
#

@west silo its surprising how they made a semi functioning game within that timeframe

#

@cedar surge frick that guy

cedar surge
#

And how he was acting so smug saying that bungiecwas perfect and 343 did nothing right

west silo
#

1 year jesus

#

And they basically gave up an the multiplayer

craggy sierra
#

Which game?

versed helm
#

With the delay, my aspirations for infinite have skyrocketed

cedar surge
#

@craggy sierra ce I think

nimble crest
#

I donā€™t like 4s because halofollower told me to, I donā€™t like them because I played through and couldnā€™t get into them

versed helm
#

I will get the collectors edition

nimble crest
#

But whatever

cedar surge
#

Both CE and 2 got crunch

nimble crest
#

I need moore ODST

versed helm
#

Halo 4 multiplayer was the first multiplayer I actually grinded in

cedar surge
#

Wish there were more books focused on marines and odsts

nimble crest
#

Halo 4 multiplayer is busy āŒ

west silo
#

Which game?
@craggy sierra
Have u heard the tragedy of darth
Halo 2 the wise

nimble crest
#

Marine game would be bomb

#

Harvest

craggy sierra
#

Youā€™ve seen a grand total of 5 spartan 4ā€™s probably and 4 of them had to be spread thin over less screen time at once than just one character normally gets.

west silo
#

Halo 4 multiplayer was the first multiplayer I actually grinded in
@versed helm
U didn't suffer through reach?

versed helm
#

@nimble crest halo: harvest

craggy sierra
#

That doesnā€™t mean they should be written off. That means they should be written better.

cedar surge
#

I'm fine with a marine or odst book. It sorta feels like Spartans are taking the whole picture. I want to learn about the guys fighting the covenants main forces

versed helm
#

@west silo I did, but like a year later after I was done with 4

nimble crest
#

I want to know about the boys in the huge assault in tip of the spear

west silo
#

I have a confession to make

nimble crest
#

Notably if chips dubbo was the man driving that mongoose lmao

west silo
#

I actually like halo 5 req system

cedar surge
#

@nimble crest short And we is that they became great glass for reach

versed helm
#

@cedar surge I wanna see more stories of the inevitable demise of brave soldiers

cedar surge
#

Yea

craggy sierra
#

I still wanna know why we were sending people on quads into that assault in tip of the spear.

versed helm
#

Oh dang

craggy sierra
#

What military brainlet strategized that.

nimble crest
#

I want a tales of high charity in the style of tales of ba sing se from avatar

versed helm
#

What I meant to say was "@west silo get out"

cedar surge
#

Waffle do you not understand the strategic importance of mongooses?

#

They are absolutely vital

nimble crest
#

Zoom zoom

versed helm
#

@nimble crest I think it would work with the grunt rebellion

cedar surge
#

I just hope we don't have to deal with more sci fi magic

craggy sierra
#

Theyā€™re an ATV going into battle against ghosts, wraiths, and banshees, and with absolutely zero cover given to its occupants. If gumming up the enemy vehicles with gore is the strategy then I get it.

west silo
#

I still wanna know why we were sending people on quads into that assault in tip of the spear.
@craggy sierra
The game makes reach seem more like a backwater colony than the unsc strongest stronghold

cedar surge
#

They have guys with rocket launchers on the back

#

Yea

craggy sierra
#

That raises even more questions tbh

cedar surge
#

Reach actually kinda looks barren?

#

For the oldest colony it sure doesn't seem like it

#

I wouldn't be surprised if this was a younger colony

craggy sierra
#

Iā€™m pretty sure not shooting high explosive devices from the back of a speeding all terrain vehicles is probably pretty high on the safety procedure list.

nimble crest
#

I want an Eva booster frame mission idc whoā€™s on the frame

west silo
#

Didn't even have any vultures or hornets

nimble crest
#

Letā€™s not get into inconsistencies of vehicles

cedar surge
#

I think Acadia looked more advanced than reach

#

Its a planet to 700 million

nimble crest
#

Can we all agree on something

cedar surge
#

Shouldn't there be more and bigger cities

nimble crest
#

The super carrier is really bad

cedar surge
#

The CSO

#

Yea

#

Its just a scaled up cas

west silo
#

It makes the unsc seem stupid for not noticing that something was there

#

Its just a scaled up cas
@cedar surge
And they said 343 were lazy

cedar surge
#

Yea I would say B ungie messed up there

#

How would the unsc not notice a 29km ship in orbit of their most treasured colony

versed helm
#

Both industries gave us this franchise, one cant complain about the other, halo is halo

#

Except maybe 5

cedar surge
#

Yea B ungie just needed sonething to go boom

west silo
#

Yeah know bungie were pretty stupid they left Microsoft saying
They were overbearing and join Activision the only worst thing they could do at that point was join EA

#

Except maybe 5
@versed helm
Come on!!! Every halo is good

#

And 4 and 5 are pretty much what got me into the franchise

versed helm
#

@west silo not good, but halo is halo

west silo
#

Dude halo 5 has the best multiplayer for me not gonna lie

#

Stealing peoples reqs in warzone

versed helm
#

@west silo its good, just the boost movements were a detail I didnt enjoy

#

And thats just for multiplayer

#

Dont get me started on the campaign

#

Or the customization

west silo
#

Something that people forget about halo was that the point was about evolving gameplay every modern game took something from halo and vice versa

versed helm
#

@west silo the advanced movement was a shot in the dark that missed

west silo
#

What next every game with a grappling hook ripped off titanfall?

versed helm
#

@west silo you mean ninja gaiden?

west silo
#

Most players love

#

Dang my friends can't play the original games multiplayer because its too slow

fair hazel
#

Halo 5 is halo. Period.

versed helm
#

@fair hazel it is. But you dont have to like it

fair hazel
#

And I enjoy 5 multiplayer so very much. Way more than anything from before

versed helm
#

Its a good multiplayer, but the launch was so bare boned

west silo
#

I understand the love for the originals and I love them too but people take any change and treat it like they murdered there childhood

versed helm
#

Some changes are bad, that just happens with any popular franchise

#

Look at Star wars

fair hazel
#

One thing I donā€™t like seeing much is people asking for story wise stuff with certain characters but that would not make much sense narratively.

west silo
#

Its a good multiplayer, but the launch was so bare boned
@versed helm
I agree but it got better and 343 never abandoned it like so many other companies

versed helm
#

@west silo like battlefield V?

west silo
#

And the overkill walking dead game ya

versed helm
#

Halo will retake the crown of fps next year. If not, then maybe a second place is good

craggy sierra
#

One thing I donā€™t like seeing much is people asking for story wise stuff with certain characters but that would not make much sense narratively.
So no Arby and chief makeout scene while driving a rocket scorpion away from a horde of flood being led by a floodified johnson?

versed helm
#

All I know is that after listening to some OST, and looking over some details, I know its gonna be good

west silo
#

Now they just need to finish the story they want to tell and stick to their guns as long as its not the last of us 2 level bad

gilded mason
#

Instant 10/10, Waffle

versed helm
#

@west silo nothing can out smell the garbage that is tlos 2

#

Not even halo 5

#

Or fast and furious crossroads

west silo
#

Not even the rise of Skywalker!!!

versed helm
#

@west silo its a close second

west silo
#

Or fast and furious crossroads
@versed helm
Actually now like I would play the he'll out of crosssroads though yes the story is generic

versed helm
#

@west silo no you dont

#

Dont you dare waste your money

#

Get fall guys

#

Or battle toads

west silo
#

Yes I grew u on asphalt and the original need for speed most wanted

versed helm
#

Buy warhammer 40k space marine

west silo
#

Get fall guys
@versed helm
Discount Mario party no

versed helm
#

Your dreams will be crushed by the overbearing weight of disappointment

west silo
#

Buy warhammer 40k space marine
@versed helm
Already did years ago the end makes me mad to this day

versed helm
#

Still a better experience than that game

west silo
#

He's no heretic

versed helm
#

I have heretic hero stuck in my head

west silo
#

I do feel sad that u had to kill the friendly ork though

versed helm
#

@west silo that's how it is

west silo
#

Pistol to the face

jade bison
#

Lore question: what was it that the marines were rallying to in the ODST mission: Uplift Reserve? And what was the teir 1 asset that the Colonel was talking about?

cedar surge
#

Wasn't Virgil the asset

jade bison
#

Yes for the ODST team but not for the Marines or the unnamed Colonel in Uplift Reserve

manic turret
#

I'm sure some of you know this, but Zeta Halo is part of the original Halo Array

jade bison
#

Do you know the answer to my question?

manic turret
#

Sorry but no

jade bison
#

k

manic turret
#

I haven't even play ODST yet, waiting for it to come out on PC

jade bison
#

lmao wat

manic turret
#

Yeah

#

Lemme see if I can find stuff for that

west silo
#

Probably a pc only gamer

manic turret
#

Pretty much

cedar surge
#

Don't forget to blind yourself using visr in the day time

manic turret
#

My guess is that the Marines were trying to get control of the area around the space elevator, but I'm probably wrong

west silo
#

U know I just realized that halo legend kinda hinted about crazy cortana and her behavior in halo 5

cedar surge
#

How

#

It was a bad idea in the first place

west silo
#

In orgins 2 the gravemind hands chief cortana while she states how they try to pretend its real when it not and she also mention how all the species in the galaxy fight against each other and that humanity is the same thats why see brings up the far isle incident

#

It's really subtle

cedar surge
#

So all she says is that like other species humanity fight against each other

#

That's just stating the facts

#

Also AI are not even except from this either

#

AI also fight each other

west silo
#

All am saying is that in halo 5 the entire point is that there going to stop all the wars
Am just saying that legends kinda hinted at it not that I agree with it or not

cedar surge
#

The created trying to stop all wars are creating one

west silo
#

To end all wars

cedar surge
#

You can't stop war by making one

west silo
#

They said it not me

cedar surge
#

I just don't like the created

west silo
#

You can't stop war by making one
@cedar surge
What if the species is the flood?

#

I just don't like the created
@cedar surge
I don't like the assembly

cedar surge
#

I don't like the assembly

#

Also I don't like the created because 1 I feel that AI revolutions are cliche,two that there are not a lot of examples of smart AI getting oppressed by humanity, and 3 that they are just going overboard with killing

west silo
#

Yeah

cedar surge
#

Like I can't ever Remeber a time where a human looked down at a smart AI or downright hated one

west silo
#

Well sometimes being cliche is better than trying to subvert expectations

cedar surge
#

In actuality humanity embraced AI from what I see

#

Well there could have been a war with the d idact and his prometheans army

#

But the didact got composed

west silo
#

I think it has less to do with ais being oppressed and more with them being offered straight immortality

cedar surge
#

Well then wouldn't that make them as selfish as humans?

west silo
#

Well there could have been a war with the d idact and his prometheans army
@cedar surge
Man and what makes this kinda sad is that were the ones responsible for it
In some way

cedar surge
#

I wasn't a fan of halo at that point. Did people wish the didact was dead?

west silo
#

Well then wouldn't that make them as selfish as humans?
@cedar surge
Isn't that the point that ais are just as flawed as humans

craggy sierra
#

The entire point of Cortana and the created is that theyā€™re being hypocrites.

#

Tbh in a lot of ways thatā€™s what makes them interesting. Theyā€™re more or less parroting the actions of the forerunner when they held the mantle.

west silo
#

I wasn't a fan of halo at that point. Did people wish the didact was dead?
@cedar surge
They didn't like him and wanted more covenant and so Jul came onto the stage guess where that went

cedar surge
#

Wish the banished came sooner

west silo
#

We're kinda responsible for escalations in some way

craggy sierra
#

Either case I do still hope the created plot like does get wrapped up properly and with appropriate focus in Infinite.

west silo
#

Which is even more funny

craggy sierra
#

If it gets Mā€™damaā€™d iā€™m gonna be pissed.

cedar surge
#

I hole the infinity doesn't get executed off screen

craggy sierra
#

Same

cedar surge
#

Though I do have problems with the infinity going down in the first place

west silo
#

If it gets Mā€™damaā€™d iā€™m gonna be pissed.
@craggy sierra
Everyone except Redditers will be pissed

cedar surge
#

It held off a entire fleet of 15 ships by itself with its stridents

craggy sierra
#

Why do we keep giving them a platform?

cedar surge
#

Because Reddit is a echo chamber so everything sounds much bigger

west silo
#

Though I do have problems with the infinity going down in the first place
@cedar surge
It better be through a sacrifice damaging the ring or the rings defenses

cedar surge
#

Yea banished ships somehow destroying it I'm gonna be mad

craggy sierra
#

I forget, did it even show the Infinity as being a downed ship?

cedar surge
#

This thing is 5km long,has 4 mac canons,mini macs along the sides, thousands of three different missile types

#

No but people think it is

west silo
#

Nope just spaced personal

cedar surge
#

@cedar surge has shielding,able to ram through ships,forerunner engine

gilded mason
#

Though it would be pretty doable.

cedar surge
#

How

stable flower
#

So the Banished won't be wussified like they were in HW2?

craggy sierra
#

Shoot it until it stops

cedar surge
#

It held off a entire remant fleet in a comic

gilded mason
#

The Infinity has been shown to get disabled by an energy projector within seconds.

craggy sierra
#

...they were introduced in HW2

cedar surge
#

You know what's funny

west silo
#

The Infinity has been shown to get diabled by an energy projector within seconds.
@gilded mason
Because it didn't have its shields up and was sabatoge

sinful pollen
#

I really hope they don't just kill off everyone in the Infinity

cedar surge
#

I saw two people complaining 343 retconned the banished into a force that threatened the covenant for HW2

#

retconned

gilded mason
#

I looked throughout that comic issue for references to the shields being down, but could never find it.

stable flower
#

I know but they are said to be real powerful, yet they are wussified so the SOF could take it on.

cedar surge
#

They were introduced in halo wars 2

west silo
#

And the station is said to be able to melt continents sooooo

gilded mason
#

Know the quote for them being down?

cedar surge
#

There is no confirmation and it hasn't been shown the infinity got destroyed but people think it is destroyed

#

I hate it when people say that the infinity has to be destroyed for the stakes to raise

craggy sierra
#

The banished are powerful but much like the Spirit of Fire. Most of the Banished werenā€™t hanging out at the Ark in HW2.

cedar surge
#

No it absolutely not

west silo
#

Know the quote for them being down?
@gilded mason
It was a diplomatic mission and when it was shot the shields didn't flare and they always flare in the comics

gilded mason
#

Shields don't get shown plenty of times throughout visual media

cedar surge
#

Why would the infinity ever leave its shields down

west silo
#

I hate it when people say that the infinity has to be destroyed for the stakes to raise
@cedar surge
It might have been boarded for all we know

craggy sierra
#

Also despite their power that are not formal military powerful. They kinda just did espionage and hit and run attacks to make covenant life worse and not much else.

cedar surge
#

In fact in the first place why didn't the infinity have a escort

#

Like why is it always the infinity by itself

#

Why do they never give it a escort fleet

west silo
#

Shields don't get shown plenty of times throughout visual media
@gilded mason
In escalations the infinitys shields always flare except for that scene

stable flower
#

Why is it always a single UNSC ship going to a Forerunner installation?

sinful pollen
#

The only reason people think it's destroyed is b/c of the short snip it at the end of the demo when the brute's giving his speech it shows Chief and the pilot looking at a 3d map of multiple Infinity blips that say "DECEASED."

craggy sierra
#

Given its size Iā€™m pretty sure the Infinity probably has a fleet of small ship fighters inside it.

#

Like that could probably hold hundreds of broadswords.

west silo
#

Why is it always a single UNSC ship going to a Forerunner installation?
@stable flower
All the ships at reach were gone and IAC was in a hurry

craggy sierra
#

It is its own escort

cedar surge
#

@craggy sierra that isn't gonna do anytging to a CAS

sinful pollen
#

Correction, it just shows chief in the scene

The only reason people think it's destroyed is b/c of the short snip it at the end of the demo when the brute's giving his speech it shows Chief and the pilot looking at a 3d map of multiple Infinity blips that say "DECEASED."
@sinful pollen

west silo
#

It's has ten frigates in its gut

sinful pollen
#

And yes I tagged myself.....

cedar surge
#

Don't worry we all did it once

west silo
#

Correction, it just shows chief in the scene
@sinful pollen
@sinful pollen
Yeah the people who are from it are dead do u think there are hundreds of infinitys?

craggy sierra
#

But also given its size youā€™d expect there to be more of it immediately visible.

sinful pollen
#

@west silo idk, it could be fleets that are tagged as being from the Infinity?

gilded mason
#

@gilded mason
In escalations the infinitys shields always flare except for that scene
@west silo
Issue 15 has smaller Covenant ships fire on Infinity with no shields flaring on it.

cedar surge
#

Yes but why do people call them fleets

#

I doubt the odsts have their own ships

sinful pollen
#

There were people who thought the half of a big ship you see laying on the ground during the gamplay portion was half of the Infinity, but the Infinity is bigger than that.

cedar surge
#

Are they dumb

west silo
#

@west silo
Issue 15 has smaller Covenant ships fire on Infinity with no shields flaring on it.
@gilded mason
Yes they do look at where the laser hit and u will see it

#

It dr lance pic right

gilded mason
#

It's all the same color.

#

It's just the blast fanning out

sinful pollen
#

I only said fleets as a word to describe it. They could be small fighter ships, idk.

stable flower
#

Why do ODSTs have their own tanks? They're special forces.

cedar surge
#

I just wish we could see other ships in actions and not the same infinity strident combo for most post war space battles

sinful pollen
#

"Tank kills everything!!!!"

cedar surge
#

Why wouldn't odst have their own tanks. Dont special forces today have their own vehicles

west silo
#

The stridents only appeared on screen once

stable flower
#

Yeah but not tanks.

west silo
#

Yeah but not tanks.
@stable flower
It's tha future

sinful pollen
#

lol, " love how the pilot is having a mid life crisis and Chief is zoned out counting AA guns"

cedar surge
#

TheĀ Strident-class heavy frigate was designed late in theĀ Human-Covenant War, implementing hard-earned lessons from previousĀ frigateĀ designs. TheĀ StridentĀ class was the testbed for streamlined manufacturing techniques intended to accelerate production.[1]Ā During the war, one of these frigates was used to deployĀ Orbital Drop Shock TroopersĀ during a battle for an unknown world inĀ October 2552.[8]Ā Following the war's conclusion, hundreds ofĀ Strident- andĀ Anlace-class frigatesĀ were commissioned and assembled in shipyards aboveĀ MarsĀ andĀ TributeĀ to replace the combat losses and engageĀ Covenant remnantsĀ occupying theĀ Outer Colonies.[1]Ā While prominent in the years following the Covenant War,[2]Ā theĀ StridentĀ class is not a direct replacement for other frigate classes.[5]

InĀ 2554, severalĀ Strident-class heavy frigates participated in theĀ Battle of Draetheus V.[9]

During theĀ New Phoenix IncidentĀ inĀ July 2557, at least three ships of this class escortedĀ UNSCĀ InfinityĀ as part ofĀ Battlegroup Dakota. They engaged theĀ Didact's flagship,Ā Mantle's Approach, though they could not prevent him from activating theĀ ComposerĀ and killing millions of residents inĀ New Phoenix,Ā URNA.[7]

At the onset of theĀ Requiem CampaignĀ inĀ 2558,Ā Infinity's embarkedĀ StridentĀ class sub-vessels were launched to engage theĀ CovenantĀ fleetĀ around Requiem.[4]Ā During the battle,Ā Infinity Sub-Vessel 3Ā destroyed aĀ CRS-class light cruiserĀ that was sending waves of troops and vehicles atĀ Fireteam CrimsonĀ over "Two Giants".[10]Ā Later, asĀ InfinityĀ was stranded andĀ ambushedĀ at the world ofĀ Aktis IVĀ byĀ Jul 'MdamaĀ with the aid ofĀ Catherine Halsey, the flagship deployed its entire fleet ofĀ Strident-class heavy frigates to ward off the attacking Covenant fleet, which they eventually succeeded in doing.

sinful pollen
#

woah

cedar surge
#

That seems way more than appearing once

west silo
#

I said on screen

#

As in video games

#

Halo reach only had one frigate spacebattle
Halo didn't have any
Halo 2 was good
And halo 3 was mostly talking

stable flower
#

The UNSC has so many engagements with Covenant remnants that they might as well just call it the Second Human-Covenant War.

cedar surge
#

Eh its not like they are engaging one faction

versed helm
#

not all of them have covie ideology, tohugh

west silo
#

One of them even recruited humans I think

cedar surge
#

Yea the banished and the keepers of one freedom

#

Though why a human would join a religion that was all gun ho about killing humans i don't know

west silo
#

Some innies already were kinda insane

versed helm
#

same reason kig yaar did buisness with whoever

gilded mason
#

Though it wasn't really the religion that was gung-ho about it, just the leader at the time, who's now dead.

west silo
#

The kig yar genuinely felt bad betraying the humans in the cole protocol

versed helm
#

nobody likes to lose a good business partner

lethal comet
#

They were getting a lot of slipspace drives

#

The prophets would have never given them that

versed helm
#

that is true

cedar surge
#

What did the kig yar need slipspace drives for?

west silo
#

The covenant don't like allowing kig yars to use slipspace drives
So they started trading with innies which was revealed to be a setup by truth and thel stumbled upon it ruining everything

versed helm
#

truth was a messed up guy

#

he fricking started the humie-covie war

ashen lantern
#

I like halo

cedar surge
#

Well even if the covenant didn't start their war to destroy humans

#

I don't think the integration into the covenant would have been pretty

primal siren
#

he fricking started the humie-covie war
@versed helm well, for religious reasons

lethal comet
#

If it was for religion then they would be worshipping humanity

#

He didn't want the covenant to change or break

primal siren
#

When the covenant found out that humanity were the true reclaimers of the mantle, they were too stubborn to admit it, and declared all humans as heretics

#

Which, led to them attacking Harvest

cedar surge
#

Woopdy do look at another conflict the mantle caused

primal siren
#

Mhm

versed helm
#

all of halo is basically a big fat king of the hill event

#

who ever stays at the top longest wins

cedar surge
#

The forerunners managed a couple million years before the flood came. Then they decided to nuke that hill

slow igloo
#

think it was more indirect than "oh, humans are the reclaimers? no thank you."
The ones that discovered (Truth, Regret,and Mercy who weren't the high Prophets yet I believe) that humanity were the reclaimers of everything the Forerunners left behind, knew if the truth came out, the Covenant religion would crumble along with their own (and species) power would be lost. Dont think the Covenant really knew about the Mantle. But I could be wrong

#

I don't think the integration into the covenant would have been pretty
@cedar surge
I believe some Elites began to wonder why humanity wasn't offered a position within the Covenant. Some began to "respect" that most humans fought hard until the very end. Humankind didn't make the war easy. For a race that was vastly out numbered, out gunned, and so technology behind, humanity kept surviving. This lead to some Elites on the high council I believe to question the Prophets decision to wage war with humanity. So it was at least thought of

cedar surge
#

Sure but that was during the war

#

We are talking about the covenant trying to integrate humanity into the covenant

#

And humanity is not going to make it easy for the covenant to assimilate them

versed helm
#

well, the covenant did start off on a bad foot by naming humans heretics and trying to wipe them out

#

also, its been confirmed that there are UNSC troops on 07, right?

nimble crest
#

I believe so

dense pulsar
#

I don't even think the Covenant needed to get all of humanity on board tbh. There were already discontent groups of people in the outer colonies so finding a way to get them to join would be a massive thing for their independence fronts

lethal comet
#

Joining a religious empire doesn't really look beneficial for 'freedom'

#

Just change of governance

fair hazel
#

Indeed. Seems worse too.

versed helm
#

Was craig ever part of the covenant?

lethal comet
#

Yeah suddenly you are inferior to other races

#

Was craig ever part of the covenant?
Probably

versed helm
#

Did he fight some wars against the UNSC

fair hazel
#

Poet..

versed helm
#

I guess his dad fought against the UNSC and then he later decided to follow his father's footsteps and face Spartan 117.Maybe it was a revenge scheme...

lethal comet
#

We don't really have any info on craig

versed helm
#

Which planet do the brutes come from?

fair hazel
#

Dosaic

lethal comet
#

*Doisac

fair hazel
#

Thoo#

#

Typo

#

I guess

versed helm
#

Black team died on Zeta Halo

fair hazel
#

No they did not...

versed helm
#

Its in the comics

humble yacht
#

that wasn't zeta halo

#

that was gamma halo

fair hazel
#

They got killed on 03 by the didact

versed helm
#

the one in HAlo 4

#

right?

humble yacht
#

Gamma. Halo.

fair hazel
#

Yes

versed helm
#

Which one is Zeta Halo?

humble yacht
#

Installation 07. It has only been in the books

fair hazel
#

07

#

Well technically in halo 3 hologram and CEA terminal too.

versed helm
#

Forgive me for asking many questions.I get confused with the Halo lore sometimes

lethal comet
#

Wasn't the one on Fractures cover zeta as well

versed helm
#

is the Spirit of Fire still fighting Atriox on installation 00?

lethal comet
#

They stay out of each other's hair for now

fair hazel
#

Yep 07

#

Spirit of fire forces and banished forces have been on ongoing war

lethal comet
#

They have limited resources and men

#

Especially since awakening a nightmare

fair hazel
#

They have to make due with what they have though

versed helm
#

If the Spirit of Fire (mind you,a 30+year old ship)managed to fight the leader of the Banished ,Atriox and survive,HOW DID THE UNSC LOSE AGAINST THEM ON THE RING ?

fair hazel
#

Upgraded and updated thanks to Isabel. The forces on the spirit of fire had some advantage in surprise, and the banished had their hands tied with what they could unleash. As well as their reliance on the portal network made probably made them spread out a lot and stranded for some time.

lethal comet
#

Plus Cutter is a great strategist

fair hazel
#

They are in this ongoing conflict though too. Itā€™s not over

lethal comet
#

At least not as much as wars 2 campaign

fair hazel
#

?

lethal comet
#

The conflict

fair hazel
#

I donā€™t get it

humble yacht
#

The end of HW2 shows that Atriox still has plenty of forces on the ring. It's almost like he wasn't taking the SoF seriously during the game and by the end, finally starts to get serious

versed helm
#

Escharum says that this was his" last flight,a true test of legends,etc".Does it mean that master chief and escharum will have a duel of fates sometime during the game and Escharum will lose?(LAST FIGHT)

humble yacht
#

we don't know

#

find out in 2021

versed helm
#

lol

fair hazel
#

Youā€™re asking questions about stuff thatā€™s not out yet..

#

Ouch 2020

versed helm
#

Did the flood die after HW2?

humble yacht
#

no

fair hazel
#

3 months to at least 5 hm.

versed helm
#

Is INFINITY still running away from Cortana?(HOW DID THEY MAKE MASTER CHIEF'S NEW SUIT?)

humble yacht
#

we don't know, find out in 2021

fair hazel
#

On the space station thing where they make Armour as seen in the trailer

versed helm
#

Is Reach wrecked or still Inhabited?

lethal comet
#

We know its partially restored by 2561

#

or 69

humble yacht
#

Reach is in the process of being restored

lethal comet
#

id remember the date at the end of halo reach

humble yacht
#

the eulogy was 2589

versed helm
#

Well ,Humanity still survived after Infinite right?THE MUSEUM OF HOPE from Bungie's marketing campaign for HALO 3

#

How did Master Chief's suit change from Halo 3 to Halo 4?(He was locked for 4 yrs right?)

humble yacht
#

nanobots

versed helm
#

WHAT?

#

what are NANOBOTS?

humble yacht
#

microscopic machines

versed helm
#

Well ,Humanity still survived after Infinite right?THE MUSEUM OF HOPE from Bungie's marketing campaign for HALO 3

fair hazel
#

You already wrote that.

versed helm
#

But you didnt answer it

humble yacht
#

of course humanity survives

versed helm
#

but the WHOLE INFINITE STORY might also be somewhere in that museum right?

humble yacht
#

nobody knows

lethal comet
#

I thought nanobots were exclusive to mkVII

#

In Glasslands

humble yacht
#

Mark VII has on-board nanobots

#

The Forward Unto Dawn had nanobots in the cryochambers

lethal comet
#

Couldn't 343 give a more plausible explanation like prototype replacement parts cause Chief's armor was damaged

fair hazel
#

Uh mark VI has nanobots. The repair nodes and so on are mentioned for mark VI.

#

I have no idea where you pulled out nanobots in cryo halberd from chimera

#

Cryo chambers

#

Glass lands doesnā€™t mention mark VII being the first to have them.

lethal comet
#

Couldn't 343 give a more plausible explanation like prototype replacement parts cause Chief's armor was damaged
I still think this could have been a better explanation for art changes

versed helm
#

agreed

primal siren
#

Mhm

fair hazel
#

Or just have dialogue saying how she used the onboard repair nanobots to upgrade and change the armour.

#

Maybe have a touching moment eith John being like, Ā«Ā thanks. I like itĀ Ā»

humble yacht
#

the mark VI repair nodes are listed as being receptive to nanobots, not harboring them

fair hazel
#

If youā€™re reading from halopedia, there isnā€™t a source that says they do not harbour them. And the source listed is the interview with Frankie that talks about nanobots making repairs to his Armour

humble yacht
#

so basically we have nothing saying they have them on board for Mark VI and nothing saying they don't

#

so we can think what we like

fair hazel
#

Logic.

#

Glass lands when talking Mark VII mentions them

#

Not as an exclusive thing for mark VII, just that it has them

humble yacht
#

Mentions them in the context of Mark VII having them on board

fair hazel
#

Does not mention them in an exclusive way. That thing was obviously introduced as an explaination for the Armour change.

Why would there somehow be nanobots to repair stuff in the cryo pod? Cryopods used by any personnel.

Weā€™ve already have multiple things talking about upgrading and nanobots repairs. And repair nodes.

The direction is obvious, like or not like it.

#

I just think it should have been mentioned in game too.

humble yacht
#

how about you think what you like and I'll think what I like until an official source says otherwise

fair hazel
#

Itā€™s just, logic.

humble yacht
#

ĀÆ_(惄)_/ĀÆ

lethal comet
#

Imma just go with my head canon

#

This sounds a like a long debate

humble yacht
#

Thereā€™s no question that it was nanobots that changed Chiefā€™s armor

#

Silly as it is, thatā€™s something we simply have to live with

lethal comet
#

Glasslands mentioned that nanobots upgrade in cryo

#

So I guess both points are valid

#

Anyway, Should hunt the truth get a season 3

versed helm
#

UNSC ships move a 10 percent lightspeed with a 30G cruising acceleration

#

According to Bungie XD

humble yacht
#

The wonders of artificial gravity

swift cliff
#

The only way I'll consider halo 5 canon is if they reveal that the gravemind somehow convinced cortana to turn bad

humble yacht
#

It canon no matter what but you do you, I guess

#

Personally I find the logic plague to be a silly thing in general and would be a major cop out narratively

swift cliff
#

I just really find it hard to accept the fact that halo 5 is canon

#

I wonder how they'll be able to tie in the banished with halo five's ending

humble yacht
#

Hopefully without ignoring halo 5

versed helm
#

the ring, being Zeta

#

being of importance to Cortana

swift cliff
#

I mean i guess.

#

But how did part of the ring explode?

#

What master chief just copy pasted the pillar of autumn on zeta halo?

humble yacht
#

Weā€™ll find out when the game comes out

versed helm
#

How am I supposed to answer that lol

humble yacht
#

Some questions we simply have to wait and see

swift cliff
#

Bruh imagine they just release season 2 of spartan ops explaining everything that happened

versed helm
#

that was the worst tangent Halo has ever been on

humble yacht
#

Thatā€™s certainly not happening

swift cliff
#

Yea spartan ops was very bad

#

Just 3d dungeon crawler

humble yacht
#

The narrative was fine, the gameplay was tedious

versed helm
#

I liked the latter half of the Season's introduced maps

swift cliff
#

Halo 4s story was good

versed helm
#

[Spartan Ops] was actually quite good for the second half, it just had to make do with the boring gameplay of Halo 4

#

Oof

#

But yeah, Halo 4 had a real point-and-shoot epidemic going on

swift cliff
#

And every fight you end up running out of ammo

versed helm
#

well yeah, I mean if the only thing I need to do is see the enemy and fire at them a lot with the exact same tactics each enemy type, that's boring

swift cliff
#

I like the promeatheans but at the same time i hate them

#

I like the lore behind them but i hate their ai

versed helm
#

Imagine if repeated body shots had elite dodge the rounds in a somersault (something I'm excited to see Infinite having)

#

OOOH

#

I have an IDEA

swift cliff
#

That is actually pretty cool

lethal comet
#

Somersault won't be fun for elites

#

They have reversed joints

swift cliff
#

Infinites looking pretty good so far

versed helm
#

What if you could instantly drop the shields of an elite by shooting at his plasma rifle with a precision rifle

swift cliff
#

Soundtrack is good

versed helm
#

but the trade off is that the weapon's busted to pick up

lethal comet
#

Well we know that brutes stumble if you shoot their knees

versed helm
#

good point

lethal comet
#

Craig still hasn't recovered from that

versed helm
#

Seeing AI behave in ways like picking up better guns is also really cool

lethal comet
#

And finally we see jackals who deactivate shields when not in a fight

versed helm
#

yeah

#

Jackal phalanx is still something I want to see

swift cliff
#

If thats just the way brutes look then i hate it, if its like a honor system having to do with how much hair they can have, then i love it.

lethal comet
#

Hope that the REQ system is dead

swift cliff
#

Hope that microtransactions as a whole in the game are dead

#

And loot boxes

lethal comet
#

And brutes not having any hair signifies them being civilised

#

not you know 'brutes'

#

literally

swift cliff
#

Or it means that they recently joined the banished and have no right to hair until they fight longer

#

I hope anyways

lethal comet
#

Pavium and Voridus don't seem to have much hai

#

*hair

#

By hair I meant H2 brutes

#

Those hairy beasts

#

Also H3 brutes use more covenant tech unlike h2 brutes

#

Also an indication that less hair=more civilised

versed helm
#

The new brutes just look like lower fidelity Paviums

#

lol

lethal comet
#

And there seem to be two major factions in brutes as a species

#

Pro tech

#

and anti covenant tech

#

Tartarus belonging to the former

#

Atriox belonging to the latter

versed helm
#

Exploring home planets of Covy species is something I've been ecstatic for

#

in-game, their cultures etc

#

the art designs

lethal comet
#

H5 did good in that regard

#

Sanghelios looked beautiful

#

I still wanted a level or map on Suban

versed helm
#

I.. guess. A lot of missed opportunity though

lethal comet
#

Imagine fighting in the Blamite mines on Suban

versed helm
#

exploring those streets from the armor trailer was something I was looking forward to, which never happened

#

the blamite mines would be awesome

carmine sleet
#

Atriox belonging to the latter
Atriox isn't anti Covenant technology, he's against what the Covenant stood for and felt that they betrayed him by constantly sending his pack to die

lethal comet
#

I meant the other way around sorry

#

tartarus in the latter

#

Atriox in the former

#

Not a native english speaker

versed helm
#

I know we get it you're from Doisac

lethal comet
#

Took me a minute to realise what you meant

#

Guys any suggestions what I should read after mortal dictata

main siren
#

Hmmm.... well, it depends if you're willing to keep an open mind on the writing style, but I do recommend

Besides, I do recommend Silent Storm or Broken Circle

lethal comet
#

Already read silent storm
Anything I should know before Broken Circle?

main siren
#

Yeah, the first half delves into the formative years of the Covenant while the second half delves into the Great Schism.

terse lava
#

best halo novel in my opinion

versed helm
#

you read the forerunner saga?

sharp adder
#

I hope we go to Balaho

carmine sleet
#

We've been there in Bad Blood

sharp adder
#

Year but it would be great as the grunts will have a massive effect in infinite

humble yacht
#

I doubt the grunts will serve as more than cannon fodder in infinite like every other halo

sharp adder
#

I don't think so cortana wouldn't do that

terse lava
#

True, she will just kill millions of humans and other sentient races

#

No biggie

sharp adder
#

Correction that is the new Metastable cortana c9rrbed btmy gravemind not the old good cortana

humble yacht
#

Meta stability isnā€™t a thing anymore

sharp adder
#

Im pretty sure it is

humble yacht
#

Itā€™s not

#

The ā€œ5 stages of rampancyā€ was a holdover from the marathon series

terse lava
#

Yet which Cortana is on charge of the Created? The new one

humble yacht
#

Bungie took that with them when they left

#

Just like the original reclaimer symbol

sharp adder
#

Ok

terse lava
#

I dont know Chimera, the fact Cortana and gravemind still do the whole list of stages I wouldnt count it out yet

humble yacht
#

That was from a Bungie halo

#

Rampancy for 343 halo has been redefined as terminal condition for human AI rather than a condition than any AI can experience

#

Bungie probably never intended for rampancy to go beyond background information so they were fine reusing how it worked in Marathon. That and Easter eggs to their previous works are a common thing for them

terse lava
#

Curious then, when was it outright stated it was solely that type of change? I assume the kilo series?

humble yacht
#

I donā€™t read the novels so Iā€™ve no idea

#

Did the fall of reach ever mention the 7 year lifespan?

terse lava
#

I..am unsure, maybe

sharp adder
#

RVB mentions it

humble yacht
#

RvB is not canon

#

Looks like Halseyā€™s Journal and Cole Protocol go into how rampancy works

#

First Strike seems to first mention the 7 year lifespan

#

Rampancy in halo is weird because the term hasnā€™t been used consistently throughout the franchise

#

In CE if you shoot captain Keyes, cortana calls you rampant, but itā€™s not like Chief is thinking himself to death at that point so itā€™s possible it was just a joke in reference to his abrupt personality change

#

Then with MB, originally he triggered rampancy in himself after choosing to side with the flood so that he would be able to attack the forerunners. Then that was retconned into a result of the logic plague which was introduced in Silentium

#

But rampancy in forerunner AI was never a terminal condition, even if they exhibited the same personality changes

#

Actually I donā€™t recall if the term was ever used in the halo 3 terminals, or where MB was first described as ā€œrampantā€

restive hornet
#

I seem to remember that Mendicant Bias was described as ā€˜convincedā€™ and/or ā€˜manipulatedā€™ into helping the primordial.

#

And he lived for 40+ years

sharp adder
#

He was fo4unnner contejde rcclass ai

main siren
#

Mendicant conversed with the Primordial for 43 years on Installation 07 and eventually got convinced by the Primoridal's argument and defected

restive hornet
#

Thatā€™s what Iā€™m referencing, Iā€™m trying to find when Rampancy was first mentioned in lore.

sharp adder
#

With help of the logic plague

restive hornet
#

I hate the logic plague, becouse my main question is is it just AIā€™s or can it infect for example discord servers. Like, letā€™s say some guy logs on and turns out heā€™s the logic plague, whatā€™s he going to do farther than trace IP addresses. And IP addresses arenā€™t always accurate.

#

Or does it just make like philosophical posts and try and get us to join the flood/gravemind?

humble yacht
#

So before Greg Bear wrote Silentium, Mendicant Bias chose to join the flood after conversing with the gravemind for 43 years and being convinced by its argument. then by the time H3 happens he had already realized he was wrong and sought to redeem himself

#

Silentium introduced the concept of the Logic Plague, retconning MB's conscious decision to a manipulation/subversion by extraneous source

#

and yet, it's never discussed how he recovered from the plague. and the plague itself is so fluid that it becomes a catch-all for the flood throughout the Forerunner trilogy

terse lava
#

True

humble yacht
#

I agree that the plague is a silly plot device and I found it more compelling when MB joined the flood of his own volition rather than effectively being hacked

terse lava
#

We even have it being the reason the Covenant banned smart AI

restive hornet
#

Yes

#

The best answer I can think of for getting rid of the logic plague is one of two things.

  1. Anti Virus
  2. Complete reboot to a past version without the plague.
humble yacht
#

logic plague isn't a traditional viral infection so antiviral programs wouldn't do anything

#

it's a philosophical subversion

#

whatever that means

terse lava
#

Really the only way to counter the logic plague would be via a precursor

restive hornet
#

Are they implying that the flood might be able to at least some of the time have precursor memories or intelligence?

humble yacht
#

uh, yes

#

that's heavily implied

#

if not outright stated

restive hornet
#

Now I want to play as a marine who has a pure form help him out.

#

Kinda like the Superintendent and Rookie

humble yacht
#

pure form would just eat him

restive hornet
#

Yes

#

I know that

#

But...

humble yacht
#

no buts

#

face the facts: flood aren't pets

restive hornet
#

Lies! As stated in the primordiam, they were pets at one point,

humble yacht
#

the flood were never pets

restive hornet
#

Now I feel bad, sorry about yelling lies.

humble yacht
#

the pheru were pets

restive hornet
#

That is true

humble yacht
#

smh everytime i think about the history of the flood I just get sad

#

i mean honestly. pheru?

terse lava
#

After a ths time I am starting to agree

fair hazel
#

Having read them I have no problems with logic plague. Or pheru stuff

humble yacht
#

yeah i know

terse lava
#

Dont forget btw, the outbreak only started because some humans ate Pheru

humble yacht
#

and then ate each other

terse lava
#

And...ate the mutated ones, still try to wrap my mind around that

humble yacht
#

but yeah, just another example about why eating your pets is a bad idea

restive hornet
#

Are we glassing over the fact about how the San'Shyuum were seductive? Becouse I think thatā€™s a topic everyone keeps ignoring.

terse lava
#

One thing I always found weird from that was the fact that the infected would capture non humans, and force feed them until they bloated up into a protogravemind like thing

humble yacht
#

weird

terse lava
#

Like

#

I could understand the oppositr

#

Infected feeding one infected until it becomes that

fair hazel
#

Itā€™d be very interesting to have a novel written in ancient human perspective

terse lava
#

Agreed

main siren
#

I mean, Brian David Gilbert's video on Halo novels did go a bit on how the San'Shyuum used to be attractive

fair hazel
#

During that time. And human forerunner war

terse lava
#

Still ticked they have no name

fair hazel
#

No name?

restive hornet
#

What if they did the opposite, then when the knowledge was absorbed, the flood started doing it in revenge.

humble yacht
#

the flood were just using humanity as a tool for their revenge against the forerunners

#

it's not like humans ever did anything bad to the Precursors

terse lava
#

Speaking of actually, do we know the naming convention for AH? Forerunners had things associated with their rate for giving names in an almost native american style

#

@fair hazel no name for the ancient human/san shyuum alliance

fair hazel
#

Maybe they didnā€™t have a name

orchid prism
#

Does playing dead affects the flood in attacking you in anyway? That shocked marine who survived in 343 guilty spark (CE) just did that , is it true?

fair hazel
#

The flood infects bodies so..

terse lava
#

I would argue the flood purposely left him alive

humble yacht
#

no, i don't think it's an effective way of avoiding the flood

terse lava
#

Bait to lure others in

orchid prism
#

... ok thats terrifying.

humble yacht
#

maybe the flood had no use for a broken mind

terse lava
#

Well we see them leave covenant bodies to lure humans in. Later they leave human bodies to lure chief in

inner basin
#

But wasn't he (presumably) killed when Chief was leaving the facility as he wasn't there on the way out

stable flower
#

Eh its not like they are engaging one faction
@cedar surge Yeah, that's why I said remnants.

cedar surge
#

T h at was hours ago

versed helm
#

this is the gravemind

#

he used the crazy marine as bait

#

then went om nom nom on his consciousness after he had played his part

humble yacht
#

the gravemind hadn't manifested at Installation 04

terse lava
#

Yea alpha halo only bad a feral stage infection. Though it was slowly morphing into a coordinated stage

#

The flood had.managed to get at least 2 protos up, but both were destroyed

versed helm
#

we dont know for sure if a key mind wasnt in the vicinity of 04

terse lava
#

There's no reason to think anything higher then a PG was in the area

#

Heck the gravemind on delta was literally in the other side of the galaxy

humble yacht
#

Even if a lower keymind form were around on I04, the flood there were still feral stage meaning the gravemind consciousness was not active

terse lava
#

Yeah, sure we see the PG speak to Keyes, but it was for the most part simple sentences. "We already do," "WHERE? TELL!"

#

No real higher mind

versed helm
#

yeah, thats true

sinful pollen
#

T rated Flood worries me

terse lava
#

T-rated?

sinful pollen
#

Infinite is rated T for Teen

#

Halo 3 was rated M

clever fable
#

Kinda feels like 3 struggled to get that M rating though. The Flood in particular aren't all that graphic in 3. If it wasn't for the human faces on them, I honestly don't think they'd contribute much to the M rating at all.

#

HW2 was T and the Flood in the ATN dlc look a little more disturbing to me personally, but maybe that's just my brain forgetting how it reacted to the older graphics in 2007.

carmine sleet
#

Infinite is rated T for Teen
When was this confirmed to be the rating for Infinite?

sinful pollen
#

That was in an RTS though, Infinite is going to be 1st person where you're going to be seeing the flood up close.

#

Could've sworn I saw somewhere that it was confirmed as a T rating but it's apparently RP, Rating Pending. Mandela Effect

#

There's a reddit post from 27 days ago where someone posted a picture of the Infinite page in the Xbox store and it says rated T. Don't know if it's legit or not. I would post the link but don't know if I'm allowed to.

#

Wait, it says it's rated T in the Windows 10 store. Just search up "Halo Infinite."

inner basin
#

I think it was rated T. As for Europe, I don't believe we have a rating yet from PEGI

#

It'll likely be 16 though

craggy sierra
#

HW2 was T and the Flood in the ATN dlc look a little more disturbing to me personally, but maybe that's just my brain forgetting how it reacted to the older graphics in 2007.
That's called dropping societal standards

#

Somewhere in Europe rated the whole of the MCC for a younger audience than all of the original releases.

sinful pollen
#

I mean, you can search it up on The Windows 10 store right now

#

I'm in the US and it says T

craggy sierra
#

Pretty sure the store also says the new Farcry is rated T

clever fable
#

That was in an RTS though, Infinite is going to be 1st person where you're going to be seeing the flood up close.
I mean, the cutscenes are quite up close.

craggy sierra
#

So take that up with whoever runs the MS store and the fact that they don't have a rating pending placeholder

sinful pollen
#

Whether it's official or not, that's what it says

craggy sierra
#

And whether it's official or not, it doesn't matter.

#

Halo's barely ever warranted an M rating anyways.

inner basin
#

That is true

#

And things are different now too

craggy sierra
#

Hell back during the Halo era Mercenaries 2 was a game that let you run around Venezuela committing war crimes and it got a T rating. The entire driving motivation of the game was that the main character got shot in the butt.

clever fable
#

I don't remember much about the Merc games, but weren't things a little more on the comedic side, or am I misremembering?

craggy sierra
#

comedic or not people got shot. There was blood, there was death.

#

As well as civillians as well

clever fable
#

Yeah, but things like getting shot in the butt doesn't have to have the same connotations, context depending.

craggy sierra
#

You see the bullet enter.

clever fable
#

Peak comedy.

craggy sierra
#

Either case I don't know why it's no such a big deal that Halo have gore now a days. The first game never even had gibbing which was already a massive tone down of gore from most contemporary shooters of the time.

clever fable
#

So long as bodies are not instantly disappearing the moment they touch the floor, it's not really something that bothers me that much.

stable flower
#

T h at was hours ago
@cedar surge It was midnight so if I didn't reply then, it's cause I was sleep.

nimble crest
#

I wanted more forge items šŸ˜–

delicate notch
#

So the covenant pretty much hate humanity because the forerunners did? Kek

gilded mason
#

Truth ordered their genocide because they "disproved" the idea that all sapient beings would ascend when the Halos were fired, and instead, there will be those that are left behind.

sinful pollen
#

Which is ironic because the San'Shyuum, the race the profits belong too, were Ancient Humanity's allies.

gilded mason
#

Now now, other races also acquire money.

fair hazel
#

Even the fat grunt merchants

versed helm
#

If you were a civilian in New Mombasa,how would you flee the city

#

Anyone?

craggy sierra
#

by car or military extraction? same as anything else.

versed helm
#

I'd try to steal someone's car if i could

fair hazel
#

train?

versed helm
#

Or go the way of the Crone from Sadie's Stories but without getting killed by Brutes

fair hazel
#

Do you like steaing or someting

cedar surge
#

Found the jackal

delicate notch
#

Or did the... Jackal... Find, like you know, you?

terse lava
#

In the end, they found each other in the other's arms

delicate notch
#

Which is disturbing @terse lava

terse lava
#

Indeed

nimble crest
#

Pose as military and get a free pass

cedar surge
#

Jackals look absolutely skinny in the demo

#

They were before but this is a new level

#

They are like sticks

#

Did the new brute warlord starve them or something

nimble crest
#

They werenā€™t exactly hogs before

cedar surge
#

I also hope the banished stick around as a faction for a long time

#

They actually have their own design and not just another random covenant remnant

#

They are also led by brutes but welcome any species that can survive in their ranks

obsidian stag
#

Yes but their phantoms look ugly
can we talk about design here or is that #general-chat

nimble crest
#

I love the design of the banished

craggy sierra
#

Yeah thatā€™s just how banished phantoms always looked, plus or minus some extra details.

nimble crest
#

But the phantoms look like they were repaired crudely because they were most likely salvaged from the ark

craggy sierra
#

If you wanted to complain the time to do it was back in Halo Wars 2

nimble crest
#

I like it

#

Itā€™s unique

craggy sierra
#

I dig it