and got pissed off at times
#lore-and-universe
feral stirrup
fair hazel
Yep emperor
terse lava
yeah he was humanized in the bungie era, flippin Fall of Reach shows it, as does The Flood(the CE novel) and First Strike
feral stirrup
but he still remained mostly as a silent protagonist and vessel for hte player to interpret through his eyes
which bungie understood
fair hazel
How lazy
cedar surge
Bungie intentionally made him a shell of a character
It was the books that humanized him
versed helm
Are you a bungie fanboy lol @feral stirrup
feral stirrup
not a recent bungie fanboy
vague scroll
It’s okay to have a silent protagonist for your audience to latch onto, claiming that humanizing a character is a bad thing is well... bad
fair hazel
The one time I’m okay with calling something lazy. And I don’t like using that word for game development often.
feral stirrup
i think bungie has made way too many mistakes lately.
with destiny. I played D2 and was no impressed
terse lava
they made mistakes in the past too with halo
cedar surge
You mean bungie era halo fanboy
vague scroll
Bungie made a lot of mistakes in their pre-halo days too
feral stirrup
of course they did. But many of those mistakes where accidentally awesome
terse lava
no one is perfect
vague scroll
Bungie was never perfect
feral stirrup
like the pistol
vague scroll
Far from it in fact
versed helm
XD @cedar surge
cedar surge
Pistol?
feral stirrup
yeah in CE
terse lava
the CE one
vague scroll
Their success was built on a pyramid of mistakes
cedar surge
That's a gameplay thing
fair hazel
Not very well balanced
feral stirrup
instead of lazily just bullet sponging the enemies and having them one shot you
vague scroll
Myth 2 they turned into malware for a joke
versed helm
You know the big hunk of metal in chief hand lol
feral stirrup
they simply just flooded you with more enemies
vague scroll
Cost the company 500 thousand dollars
feral stirrup
which is how higher difficulty should be
cedar surge
Doesn't the flood also do that @feral stirrup
feral stirrup
yeah
vague scroll
Halo CE only worked 5 weeks before launch
cedar surge
Flooding you with enemies
vague scroll
Halo 2 had to be remade from scratch
feral stirrup
i'm talking about the covies though
fair hazel
Except enemies take more damage and do more damage..
feral stirrup
that to but it wasn't only that
cedar surge
And wasn't in 2 brutes were bullet spomges
versed helm
Halo 2 development was hell for bungie
terse lava
yep
fair hazel
“Instead of “
feral stirrup
2 brutes where no joke
cedar surge
And that sniper jackals were awful
fair hazel
Kind of not consistent
vague scroll
I guess no one wants to hear the story of Bungie as a company run by humans
feral stirrup
halo 2 had brutes in their true form. which was being purely brutes and nothing else
vague scroll
“They were perfect”
cedar surge
Also to bring up a point earlier crunch time is not good
feral stirrup
complete a holes to kill in higher difficulty
fair hazel
Those games, perhaps amazing for their time, have a lot of flaws.
feral stirrup
the only thing i don't miss from the older days of gaming though where the terrible physics
and random deaths caused by it
fair hazel
In their true form..
versed helm
Plus console limits @fair hazel
cedar surge
Halo has good physics most of the time
vague scroll
Truly totally, Halo was never a hot mess that managed to pull off something because of luck and passion
feral stirrup
had a flash back for a minute and completely forgot how frustrating that was
unique rune
Having revisited the campaigns for CE and 2 recently, they’re... yeah, pretty flawed gameplay wise. I still generally think they’re fun but they get to be a right pain in the rear sometimes.
feral stirrup
coupled with the AI being terrible drivers lol
but it was very cutting edge for it's time
CE compared to today's standards had some pretty sluggish gameplay
fair hazel
Well none of that pertains to lore now
terse lava
I still say to this day halo 2 had the best ally AI, via the sangheili
cedar surge
You complain about 343's story but you are also not addrsssibg bungies story
feral stirrup
and awkward jumping mechanics
but i think i know the reason why
it wasn't even supposed to be a shooter originally
terse lava
yea started as an RTS
feral stirrup
so they had to modify what wasn't and make it into one
cedar surge
You were complaining that 343 had a terrible story but you never addressed the issues with bungies story
feral stirrup
kinda like taking a 1993 honda civic hatchback and dropping a 12 valve cummins in it
cedar surge
You just touched on their gameplay
vague scroll
He wasn’t complaining that 343i has a terrible story, he was complaining that everything but maybe one little lore thing was terrible
terse lava
why would there be a cure
vague scroll
Why should there be a cure?
feral stirrup
why is the sky blue?
cedar surge
The flood doesn't have a cure
vague scroll
The flood’s a parasite, not a disease
unique rune
So... on the subject of lore...
Still making my way through Silent Storm. Enjoying it thus far.
Always had this weird nagging that Hector Nyeto sounded familiar and I’m almost a little surprised that I’d forgotten he was mentioned in the Denning’s other Halo novels.
versed helm
The cure are the halo rings
fair hazel
Because of Raleigh’s scattering effect. That’s why the sky is blue
vague scroll
Death is a cure then
terse lava
not really Tide
cedar surge
These sound like random things and not really story issues though
vague scroll
Well fine
feral stirrup
why do i always get contrarians in a box of cracker jacks?
vague scroll
I amend my statement to obliteration
terse lava
yeah, there was nothing in CE-3 that had anything to do with a flood cure
cedar surge
Ok your not going to talk about bungies story then huh
feral stirrup
halo 3's lore problem
vague scroll
Because you chose the flavor when looking at the aisle
You get what you paid for, or rather you chose your soapbox
feral stirrup
was cortanas only real solution just to fire the halo array? when she clearly lambasted cheif for trying to do the same in CE?
terse lava
one was in the galaxy
fair hazel
Except you’re wrong about your question?
feral stirrup
what about the flood on earth?
fair hazel
You make the wrongful statement that she was trying to fire the halo array
terse lava
even if it was complete it wouldn't harm the galaxy
feral stirrup
you really think glassing that continent was enough to contain it?
terse lava
yes
fair hazel
The content was not glsssed
versed helm
Who’s she XD
feral stirrup
what if one spore escaped?
terse lava
it didn't
fair hazel
And, dead flood.
vague scroll
Halo’s can be fine tuned to fire in only a single star system for the record
fair hazel
Well the ancient halos.
cedar surge
Because the flood did not reach the airborne stage yet
terse lava
funny thing, flood turns in plasma
feral stirrup
i'm sure they already where when that cruiser crashed
vague scroll
That’s a fair distinction but I don’t think Hawaii guy knows that ericky
fair hazel
The scenecent halo array can
versed helm
2am I should be sleeping but this conversation is fun lol
cedar surge
@feral stirrup if the flood was airborne earth would be glassed
terse lava
we see flood spores floating around sure, but they weren't high enough in the atmosphere yet
feral stirrup
rtas had a good point
terse lava
everything was burned by the sangheili
orchid prism
25,000 light years the radius of the explosion from halo, right?
vague scroll
On default with the contemporary array yes
feral stirrup
oh and another thing. how the hell did cheif survive the halo firing in the forward unto dawn?
orchid prism
Oh
fair hazel
Oh and the range amplified as the waves overlap
terse lava
because he wasn't in the blast area
feral stirrup
when he didn't go through the portal
gilded mason
how the hell did cheif survive the halo firing in the forward unto dawn?
He got inside the portal in time
terse lava
he had gone through the portal before it closed
feral stirrup
ah that's right
terse lava
ah welcome to the heresy Ostral
cedar surge
Oh really you are gonna say that huh
fair hazel
Portal high charity
The whole mess of canon halo reach fall of reach
Too much to list. Don’t want to do it
terse lava
the dead bodies in High charity, the zero explaination of how johnson, thel, and miranda got to earth
cedar surge
How about the fact that most of bungies characters in halo 1 to 3 were static characters and the arbiter was the only one who grew
feral stirrup
oh there is one thing
terse lava
"one"
versed helm
Cortana said and I quite we went through the portal just in time
terse lava
dead
vague scroll
Time between Johnson/arbiter/Keyes getting back to Earth before Chief
feral stirrup
and did thel kill them
terse lava
killed by thel
feral stirrup
we don't know that
gilded mason
They decided to go on a duo adventure
terse lava
with a pet infection form
feral stirrup
lol mckinzey and pereze's excellent adventure
terse lava
named bob
versed helm
With they good buddy Thel lol
feral stirrup
mckinzey and perez hot boxing it with thel
vague scroll
Sounds like a lot of lore problems to me if we have to get nit picky
Just like when people nit pick the 343i games
feral stirrup
"yo thel. this is the best sangheli weed i've ever had man"
vague scroll
Sounds like they suffer through similar problems
feral stirrup
to be fair. 343 has been on a stream of effups
vague scroll
Maybe Bungie and 343i games are just as good, just in different ways
orchid prism
Ah back again with 343
feral stirrup
i think the best thing they did with anniversary is not touch it at all and contract it out to that other studio
cedar surge
Which one
vague scroll
Maybe we shouldn’t judge people’s work as the worst thing ever when clearly people like it more than me
cedar surge
CE or 2
feral stirrup
2
cedar surge
Because they have done good things
vague scroll
Maybe other people’s opinions have merit
fair hazel
Other than halo 5’s overall narrative.. and some things in escalation, some, and initstion, I’d say all the stories have been great
vague scroll
No problem man, you my bro ado
terse lava
wort
orchid prism
Haha wholesome
gilded mason
A common sentiment
terse lava
also yes, I agree with him on that
fair hazel
You can do that in a few books which you probably should honestly. They’re very enjoyable
And they’ll widen your knowledge on sangheili
feral stirrup
locke is just a boring character
terse lava
so is chief, big whoop
cedar surge
So is miranda
orchid prism
So is johnson (kidding)
feral stirrup
i want to see more lore about elites arguing why humans aren't being allowed to be adopted into the covenant
fair hazel
As much as explaining to someone can be okay. It doesn’t been experiencing thing
Best
feral stirrup
and seeing some question it further and defecting
fair hazel
Beat
cedar surge
If you defected you would have been called a heretic amd killed
terse lava
it was never much of an issueenough to leave the Covenant
feral stirrup
yeah the elite on the gas giant was one of those
cedar surge
Yea they questioned the prophets but never left
feral stirrup
but i bet there where far more than just him
terse lava
but not thanks to humans, he just saw the Great Journey as a load of bunk
cedar surge
That's because he was convicted by guilty spark who had evidence
feral stirrup
and that you where being manipulated
terse lava
convinced*
cedar surge
Guilty spark could actually back his claims because he was a forerunner AI
He knew what the rings were for
fair hazel
Human forerunner ai
terse lava
well, it also helped the Covenant saw him as a mouthpiece for their gods
fair hazel
Funny thing that it was a human who told the truth
feral stirrup
it would be funny to see guilty spark meet glados
both of them have a itch but for a different reason
feral stirrup
one has to do constant testing inorder to be satisfied
and the other has to convince a reclaimer in every possible way to activate his installation
cedar surge
That seems to be a bit of a stretch
feral stirrup
to get that programmed digital dopamine rush of satisfaction
cedar surge
He doesn't have to convince a reclaimer
feral stirrup
he must follow protocol
cedar surge
Just take the index
fair hazel
That’s a BIG stretch
terse lava
even stretch armstrong would question that
cedar surge
In CE guilty spark said to kill the chief so he could get the index to activate the ring. He doesn't need a reclaimer. It just helps
cedar surge
At the ark yes
terse lava
but he can hold the index himself if need be, can't use it though
orchid prism
Ok guys one question for Buck, in 5 does he wear the odst helmet in honour of Rookie's death?
terse lava
had he managed to kill chief, he would have just went after another human
he outright says that
cedar surge
If he can't use it then for what reason does he need the index so badly
gilded mason
He wears it because he enjoyed wearing one back when he was an ODST
terse lava
pretty sure he wears it as he was an ODST
feral stirrup
yeah he has to manipulate the reclaimer into activating it
delicate ether
If it ain’t broke
cedar surge
Don't fix it?
fair hazel
Upgrade it?
cedar surge
Bop it
fair hazel
Twist it?
orchid prism
@gilded mason @terse lava i see
terse lava
I hate you both for getting that song in my head now
feral stirrup
hey UNSC why do you still use bullets instead of advanced plasma weaponry
delicate ether
I’m not complaining, love the ODST helmet
feral stirrup
unsc spokesperson "Because that's the way it's always been done sonny jim"
feral stirrup
this rifle you're holding is the same exact rifle your great great great great great great...great grandfather once held
gilded mason
PHYSICS
fair hazel
Except when they don’t.
feral stirrup
ironically everything is still chambered in 7.62 and 5.56
terse lava
excellent Ostral, was worried you'd leave me hanging for a moment there
gilded mason
lol
fair hazel
More than just that
terse lava
may just tag you from now on XD
fair hazel
And there’s advancements thsy can be made that are not just size wise
Unsc has used hard light and plasma stuff.
cedar surge
Plasma is worse at mid to long ranges and makes it easier to see where its being fired from. Plus it still can do much against shielding
Like the battle rifle
Probably the most powerful rifle
terse lava
the real reason though is two-fold. Bungie wanted something familar, and lore-wise, humanity had been at peace for a few centuries
feral stirrup
it's always funny to see lore in certain videogames get written and wrapped around gameplay mechanics.
fair hazel
I like post war tech they incorporated advances
cedar surge
Plus bullets would be cheaper than terraforming a whole planet to get ammo
fair hazel
I like when we see stuff change over time.
terse lava
misses plasma rifle
feral stirrup
of course the main reason why the unsc still uses traditional chemical projectile weapons was because of the 200 years of peace
fair hazel
I used the tier 3 brute plasma rifle in warzone recently. It’s fun to use that one
cedar surge
Well bullets are still effective
feral stirrup
weapons tech didn't advance for a long time because there was no driving force or reason
terse lava
not the same
feral stirrup
which makes sense when you look at our modern military
some things have literally not changed weapon wise for over 100 years because it never really needed to
fair hazel
It’s still a plasma rifle.
fair hazel
I hope we see the answer mentioned in a book or somewhere else one day
And a lot of the variants
Actually. I’d like a book to make up a new variant. Then have it come into halo infinite
cedar surge
Bullets would be cheaper to produce than making power for plasma weapons
Don't you have to go to a refill station to give plasma weapons back power?
feral stirrup
plasma weaponry would require a method for storing energy that would have a ton of energy density
literally more energy density than gasoline or diesel
cedar surge
And over heating problems
feral stirrup
so irl if you where to make a plasma weapon you'd basically need either a arc reactor
or mini fusion reactor powersource
that is able to harness almost all of the energy it gets
cedar surge
Yea I don't like it when people say that it should be easy for the unsc to reverse engineer plasma weapons
fair hazel
Or harness stuff from planets atmosphere with certain ships and use in pinch fusion rracgors too
orchid prism
It took years for reverse engineering covenant shields
gilded mason
```👍Or terraform worlds to provide you with the materials and plasma
feral stirrup
yeah terraforming would require boat loads of energy
cedar surge
Because a person justified that energy shielding is advanced so replicating plasma weapons should be easy
gilded mason
lol
fair hazel
Comon guys. You guys should know whay I’m referencing
cedar surge
Stellaris?
fair hazel
Ealen IV and those collecting covenant ships insolent storm
feral stirrup
00 was talking about how shield technology in halo lore worked for spartains
cedar surge
Oh when they terraformed a planet to give ammo
feral stirrup
i thought it was really cool
orchid prism
What's ealen iv? A novel?
feral stirrup
he was mentioning that basically spartain shield tech works by manipulating things at a quantum level
cedar surge
Oh yea the guy who said that in referencing is gen tech
feral stirrup
i thought it was a great theory
fair hazel
A theory does not mean it’s canon
feral stirrup
because something like that could exist in real life
energy shields might not be too far of in the distant future
fair hazel
Do not confound theory with canon.
cedar surge
He actually said that energy shielding is so advanced so replicating plasma weapons should be easy that gen tech guy said. And he sounded so sure of himself
Your starting that again
terse lava
cute
fair hazel
cedar surge
Relatable
gilded mason
A bit big.
cedar surge
Havnt we put the 343 bad bungie good down years ago
fair hazel
I guess we just have to be ready for it so we don’t get, flooded. 😎
cedar surge
Good thing I have OD-OD-OD-ODSTs in position
fair hazel
Looks like we may need to rescue some of@them in infinite
terse lava
watches fully upgraded kig-yar sniper army get overwhelmed by ODST spam
cedar surge
That's the way jackals crumble
terse lava
closest thing to flood firefight at the time
cedar surge
The only 343 ships I really have a problem with is the vindication or anlace
fair hazel
Which I hope we get in infinite because I want to fight with promethean weapons
I like the ships but I just want to know more and see@more of@them in action and other
cedar surge
Vindication because even for the unsc it's a brick and antennas
delicate ether
The Flood, did they sneak onboard the Amber Clad? So confused when it suddenly appears in High Charity
fair hazel
We need more space battles in modern halo stories
cedar surge
Yea most post war ship battles are just the infinity
fair hazel
They probably just took a pelican backa snd infected everyone
gilded mason
Yes, they got aboard the ship through unknown means while Miranda was captured
cedar surge
I miss fleet battles between two factions and not just one ship
Yea who would expect flood to be on a pelican
Though Miranda should no there might be the possibility of flood also being on this ring so why did she land the frigate so close
fair hazel
Perhaps to keep the ship safe, but from@the covenant
fair hazel
You know what moment I enjoy from the battle of installation 04?
When the unsc forces raid the pillar of autumn
delicate ether
Oh
fair hazel
It’s fun to play it too
The sort of building up the resistance moment feels nice
I hope we get some similar stuff in infinite
delicate ether
Atleast in Aliens they kept the ship in orbit, that worked out 😂
fair hazel
We didn’t get to see it in CE
delicate ether
What happened to the truth and reconciliation after “Keyes”?
Or was that the ship in Halo 3
Flood infested one in floodgate
fair hazel
No.
delicate ether
Okay
gilded mason
UNSC forces took control of it, but McKay crashed it into the ring to prevent the Flood onboard from getting to Earth with them
fair hazel
The unsc boarded it. Flood infected. McKay made it crash and die and boom
What he said
delicate ether
Woah
Guess I should read more novels
Nice to know what happens to things off-screen, closure is good
terse lava
I met the novelization of CE @fair hazel
terse lava
eh at this point too tired to think
delicate ether
If most of them are also in Audiobook form then i’m game, mostly enjoy reading stuff on wikis
Never been one for physical books ☹️
plain sierra
who’s in blue team
gilded mason
At the moment: John, Fred, Kelly, and Linda
delicate ether
Hope Infinite keeps it that way
gilded mason
Ye
terse lava
I prefer books
terse lava
hm?
gilded mason
Probably watered down versions```
YehYep
feral stirrup
hard for me to change my mind on that one cause i agree with it
also you know what doesn't make sense at all. Censoring swear words on a channel about a videogame that has alot of swearing in it lol.
a long standing tradition even on -blam!-ing bungie.net
inner basin
I like Spartan Thorne. He felt like he was actually trying to live up to a Spartan’s expectations (which is commendable) but he also didn’t lose his personality. I think he was initially supposed to be in Halo 5 before 343 said “Nah, screw it” and replaced him with Buck instead
At least I think that’s what happened. I could misremembering as it’s early in the morning
a long standing tradition even on -blam!-ing bungie.net
On HaloWaypoint it’s -Yoink!-. Guess 343 are still keeping that tradition
slim thorn
I'm looking forward to see Alpha-Nine back in action again though
But, since they don't have someone to rant themselves on, I'm curious how it will work things out.
Two pairs of couples at a same team, could put Romeo an Mickey into bully
carmine sleet
What do you mean by "rant themselves on"?
cyan thunder
So I'm half way through primordium. I'm not too keen on the forerunner trilogy. The pace is a bit slow. It's's interesting, just not my favourite. What I'm curious about, is it explained why only humans can fire the halos? Or at least that's how the games portray it, needing Miranda Keyes to activate Delta Halo.
scarlet topaz
I do know that a human AI gets rampancy because of all the data he/she collects in 7 years if i am correct?
But why do forerunner AI's have rampancy?
Like guilty spark
orchid prism
Yeahh.... 343 guilty spark got bored which probably caused the rampancy in one of the halo cea terminals iirc.
But really, boredom?
scarlet topaz
I mean why is it even possible, couldn't they just make a counter to rampancy in there AI's
craggy sierra
That wasn’t really rampancy in the traditional sense
That was literally just normal psychosis brought on by 100,000 years if isolation
Because the forerunners thought that loneliness would be a good thing for the monitors to feel.
So they kinda just all got psychotically attached to their duties surrounding their rings in lieu of anything else.
lethal comet
Spark was so lonely that he couldn't even power down peacefully
terse lava
to be frank I don't think it's ever said why they didn't consider something like that happening, but guess would assume compartmenization,
craggy sierra
I'm pretty sure the entire forerunner schtick is extreme short sightedness
Everything they do can best be summarized by the Jurassic Park line "just because you could doesn't mean you should."
They're essentially a galactic boogeyman story of what happens when technology and hubris far out paces common sense
craggy sierra
She has follies too. Doesn't she still want to up hold the concept of the mantle?
lethal comet
she wants to pass it on
craggy sierra
Yeah that's not a good thing
lethal comet
The janus key is proof of that
craggy sierra
The mantle was a thinly veiled metaphor of galactic dictatorship and the forerunners very much treated other races under them in a similar way to how Cortana wants to treat them now.
lethal comet
The precursors had the right idea
But they didn't factor in that when faced with extinction their creations would fight back
craggy sierra
There shouldn't be a single totalitarian leadership in the galaxy of a single race
lethal comet
The forerunner precursor war could have been averted
Was there really a need to tell forerunners that humanity is better and they are gonna be exterminated
Any species is gonna fight for survival
craggy sierra
All that matters with that is where the universe currently stands. And I think we'd be better off not having a bunch of dead people dictate the optimal way to run the universe.
Especially since it ended well for exactly zero of them
west silo
Well by all indications humanity wasn't any better they were basically a mini imperium of man
craggy sierra
idk much about Warhammer but from what little I know, any political ideologies from that franchise wouldn't exactly make for peaceful leadership
humble yacht
Screw politics, just live in The Warp
terse lava
I doubt the precursor-forerunner could be avoided as the precursors planned on wiping the forerunners out regardless
humble yacht
That’s what the forerunners assumed
west silo
Nurgle is love
Nurgle is life
terse lava
no reason to think otherwise
humble yacht
It’s not like the precursors attacked first
terse lava
not even gravemind corrected that idea, just said the rebellion was unprovoked
west silo
Warfleet does kinda leen towards the precursors planning to kill the forerunners
terse lava
Yeah
You can argue its biased being a forerunner record, but at this point I look at it like this
While will you believe? Hyper advanced mortal aliens who while imperfect, did try to help keep the galaxy safe?
Or hyper advanced aliens who, according themselves, let themselves be wiped out, and then sought to bring eternal suffering to all life in the universe as revenge
feral stirrup
The gods are flawed
Man I love halo trilogys cannon
Oh I forgot to ad this in yesterday's discussion about what bungie did wrong that 343 actually fixed and did right
Two words
Warthog suspension.
It makes 0 sense on bungies side. Especially the linkage system
terse lava
Well of course they were flawed, neither races were gods
west silo
The precursors were pretty much gods
feral stirrup
The precursors remind me of the xelnaga
Primordial being that hated their successors
Because the forerunners saw them as a threat
west silo
Going to universe and seeding them with life
feral stirrup
Yeah
feral stirrup
They are basically both the creators and destroyers of life
west silo
Same difference
terse lava
Not really
west silo
They are basically both the creators and destroyers of life
@feral stirrup
Well only amon is evil the others just dont care
feral stirrup
The primordial = nihilism embodied
west silo
The precursors are implied to be multiversal by there ftl
versed helm
YO
feral stirrup
Told humans a fate so bad that they simply committed suicide
terse lava
Well he told them how all life would suffer under the flood. That their creators now sought damnation for all life in the galaxy
feral perch
It makes 0 sense on bungies side. Especially the linkage system
@feral stirrup
I’ve seen it argued that the Bungie Warthog used futuristic suspension, and the 343i era Warthog using modern-looking suspension seems inferior to something more futuristic like Bungie’s hog.
light kiln
What does Veronica Dare even do?
feral stirrup
They mostly did that suspension type due to graphical limitations
Multilink suspension requires more animation work. Vs the lengthy but simple elongated torsion bar
sinful pollen
I mean, she made out with Buck in an elevator
feral stirrup
Technically a elongated torsion link suspension would be inferior to that of a front and rear independent suspension setup with double a arm due to it not handling horizontal loads as well. But its also ironic cause the warthawg in ce has a super bathtubby feel.
unique rune
What does Veronica Dare even do?
Classified ONI things
feral stirrup
Lol
jolly furnace
Regarding Precursor motive for genocide, the Domain in Mythos apparently says Precursors planned to exterminate forerunners
Acording to the UNSC Curator AI
sinful pollen
There were two sides to that story. There's a side that says that the Forerunners revolted against the Precursors when they learned that Humanity will inherit the mantle instead of them. Then there's the Forerunner story that said the Precursors were going to exterminate them b/c they didn't pass their test.
cedar surge
In going to be on the forerunner side theree
inner basin
What does Veronica Dare even do?
She was an ONI Supervisor for Alpha-9, a few times, but she’s an ONI Agent so most of her dealings are highly classified
cedar surge
It seems more believable than the entirety of the forerunners being selfish and killing the precursors
jolly furnace
three sides - the Curator account differs from both other accounts in ways
It says forerunners claimed Mantle and became prideful and arrogant, Precursors observed, didnt like it and decided to erase forerunners
and give mantle to another species
forerunners sent fleet to PK
to spy on Precursors
and learned the genocide plan
forerunners then struck first
Also this account says Precursors stayed in PK after seeding life in MWG
leaving only their architecture and tech behind
All acocunts contradict somewhere
versed helm
Who will inherit the mantle at the end of infinite
gilded mason
No one, probably.
carmine sleet
The Mantle is a flawed concept and should be disregarded
Plus, I wouldn't really say there's anything that indicates that someone new will inherit it in Infinite
versed helm
Ok
jolly furnace
Mantle will either be discarded or shared by all in the end.
Long term, it will fail regardless i think
Cos species will always fall into conflict
in the end
So says the cynical part of my mind
sly stream
why does halo 2 and odst have the best stories in halo games
versed helm
I mean reach was a good story
jolly furnace
4 is best story
deep pewter
2 > 4 > ODST
sly stream
reach would've benefitted from stronger character development for noble team
deep pewter
Reach is on the bottom regarding story
sly stream
halo 4 could have been a LOT better
versed helm
That’s true but reach story was setting up CE
sly stream
it looked pretty good with those in development storyboards
like, palmer and the spartan ivs were a lot better
deep pewter
4 could’ve been a lot better, but it was still really good
deep pewter
I hadn’t read any of 343is books at the time and still enjoyed it
It didn’t really rely that much on outside knowledge
sly stream
well then i just didn't enjoy it as it was then
feral stirrup
Halo 4s story made no sense besides the parts that where already pre existing in lore
Revealing forerunners as enemies wasnt a good approach. Forerunners are supposed to be all dead
sly stream
i dont even remember 4's plot, chief awakens the didact, the didact wants to so something evil, chief stops him, cortana goes rampant and dies
feral stirrup
It killed the mystery behind them .
jolly furnace
Lore prior to 4 revealed not all died
sly stream
Revealing forerunners as enemies wasnt a good approach. Forerunners are supposed to be all dead
@feral stirrup this, forerunners should be left unexplained
feral stirrup
Yes
deep pewter
You can’t consistently leave something as a mystery
Especially as making the covenant the main baddie would step on the original trilogies story
feral stirrup
Or just have the balls to end it all right there after halo 3
deep pewter
And 3 ended with a reveal of a forerunner planet
jolly furnace
U think doing COvenant again would have been a good idea? No just no
deep pewter
3 ended on a cliffhanger
jolly furnace
We needed a new foe
Forerunners were the logical choice as they were ripe for exploring
feral stirrup
Always better to end something on good terms than continue to dilute plot armor
jolly furnace
and we didnt even get flesh and blood ones bu robots
feral stirrup
Starwars cough cough
jolly furnace
Cos Forerunners at height of power stomp on all modern races
deep pewter
Humanities inevitable rapid expansion post-war would lead to the demystifying of the forerunners either way
jolly furnace
Yes
feral stirrup
A contact harvest game however would be super interesting
deep pewter
343i never would’ve gotten the clear to make a non-John related Halo game as their first foray into the series
carmine sleet
Making a game out of Contact Harvest would mean they'd have to change allot about the original story to make it work
nimble crest
How so?
feral perch
I cannot believe you compared The Fall of Reach's prologue to a Call of Duty title... just... what??
nimble crest
I’m talking about Harvest
feral stirrup
Yeah no more cod cookie cutters
carmine sleet
Well, they'd have to make it so Johnson encounters way more than just a couple Jackals when he boards his first ever Covenant ship and add in a whole load of new combat sequences that involve conflict that weren't in and likely take away from the original story
And that's just a few things
nimble crest
Well either the jackals would have to be tougher and inflict more damage or there would have to be some more aliens
feral stirrup
You'd definitely have to have scully do the voice work
feral stirrup
I think so
nimble crest
That’s so weird to me
terse lava
This is going again?
nimble crest
Brutes aren’t exactly talkers
terse lava
No but they still listen to orders
feral stirrup
The genocide pretty much started when the profits learned the humans to being the chosen successor to their gods
nimble crest
But I mean I would think that the prophets would send a more thinking species
terse lava
They didnt really learn that. They assumed humans were forerunners
nimble crest
Like the elites
terse lava
And that there's a chance you will be left behind in the journey
feral stirrup
Medicant bias told them
nimble crest
You think mendicant will be in infinite?
terse lava
He told them humans were his makers
feral stirrup
They had to keep it underwraps otherwise the covenant would be broken
nimble crest
If the covenant hadn’t met the humans and they found the rings, would they basically be harmless?
terse lava
No
feral stirrup
They need humans to activate it.
nimble crest
They need a reclaimer to activate them so they would’ve just been unable to do anything
feral perch
Halo rings do have defenses. If they managed to pilot the ring to another location, those defenses could be used on individual ships and whatnot... but that's very impractical.
terse lava
Well remember given enough time it's never been said the covenant couldnt figure it out
feral stirrup
This all boiled down to the profits trying to safeguard their power
terse lava
Prophets*
feral perch
There's no reason to think the imitative Covenant would ever figure it out, especially if 000 Tragic Solitude wasn't able to find a workaround.
If a Forerunner ancilla can't find a way, I doubt the Covenant ever would.
nimble crest
Who was the monitor of the ark?
jolly furnace
good point
feral perch
000 Tragic Solitude was the Ark's monitor.
jolly furnace
If Forerunners own ancillas cant get around the human-encoded feature of Halo activation, covies likely wouldn't
feral perch
No, he went crazy and tried to kill all life with the Halo array.
jolly furnace
Would Ur-Didact be able to fire a ring now
?/
Though i am expectin Cortana to figure out a way to fire a Halo without humans for some reasons
or merge a composer or sublimation device with a Halo firing mechanism
I feel like 343i will do that
nimble crest
Was the ark outside of our galaxy?
feral perch
Yes.
nimble crest
By how much ?
cedar surge
A lot
feral perch
Halopedia is your friend.
gilded mason
imitative Covenant
People seem to forget the very next part of that quote, where Halsey goes on to say that even if they seem imitative, the Covenant are still incredibly intelligent and are capable of great feats. And later media talks about how "imitative" is a bit of a misnomer.
nimble crest
Was the lesser ark outside of it too?
gilded mason
Yes
nimble crest
What was the difference between the two? Was the lesser one smaller or what
cedar surge
Lesser ark was the second ark after the first one got destroyed
nimble crest
It was built after the events of halo 3?
gilded mason
No
cedar surge
No the ark in halo 3 is the lesser ark
gilded mason
We went to the Lesser Ark i Halo 3
cedar surge
It just got repaird
gilded mason
The lesser Ark is what built the seven current Halos
nimble crest
How big was the original one?
cedar surge
The original ark got destroyed by the flood thousands of years aho
gilded mason
ashen storm
whats the biggest halo creature
feral perch
craig
ashen storm
ah yes
cedar surge
Precursors or gravemind
Wish we could see the new ships more in action
Like a autumn class leading a fleet to retake a colony
Or stridents and Posiden classes on patrol
nimble crest
Did the covenant attack mars ? Wasn’t there a colony there?
nimble crest
Is mars the only planet in the system they terraformed?
cedar surge
Just damaged after the covenant destroyed the defences there and moved on to earth
No they did it to nearly every planet in the system
Not gas giants though
Do you think the unsc managed to figure out how to live on gas giants?
nimble crest
Probably not but maybe use it’s resources or something idk
Maybe a ship building planet or a station
I learned only recently that it took 3 months in slip space to get to delta
feral perch
No, it didn't.
inner basin
Lance, there are only 4 non-gas giant planets in the Sol system. Funnily enough the 4 gas giants are the furthest from the Sun
gilded mason
About two weeks, actually.
inner basin
But he learnt it so it must undoubtedly be true /s
feral stirrup
i wonder if they will have the profits return
inner basin
I hope Infinite makes a profit
gilded mason
eyy
feral stirrup
maybe a couple of them
inner basin
As for Prophets, no. I don’t want Infinite to have any Prophets
feral stirrup
haha like your avatar
inner basin
Thanks. Del Rio’s face here as aged like a fine wine
gilded mason
👌
terse lava
You know, I wonder how the Covenant on Regret's ship passed the time to delta. Same with the IAC crew
craggy sierra
I mean the prophets kinda lost the most out of any race from the war. They no longer have a religious order to rally people under so if they do appear it wouldn’t be as prophets. Just San’Shyum
terse lava
Well they already were just san shyuum. 😝
west silo
Probably a prelet
terse lava
What about the prelates?
west silo
They could appear in infinite
terse lava
I doubt it seeing as most fell saving san shyuum citizens from high charity
west silo
And they are san shyuum
I doubt it seeing as most fell saving san shyuum citizens from high charity
@terse lava
Oh really
terse lava
Yeah
west silo
Fighting the flood?
terse lava
And sangheili yes
nimble crest
I’m sorry 😭 them boys lied
inner basin
aged much better than halo 3's faces
Is this Del Rio you are referring to Erick?
cedar surge
So the Shan shyum are on the run to not answer to their crimes?
gilded mason
Ye
gusty whale
oh yeah werent the san shyum allies of humanity during ancient times?
fair hazel
Yep beast
gusty whale
interesting to think that they used to be friends now they want to wipe eachother off the face of the galaxy
gilded mason
Well, not anymore, I imagine.
cedar surge
When they do finally find the prophets who are they gonna make them answer too
There is no galactic council or anything
And who knows what ONI will do
So will they answer to the swords of sanghellios?
gilded mason
If it came to it, probably a joint council of people from the UEG and SoS
inner basin
And who knows what ONI will do
Repeatedly chants “Midnight Facility”
cedar surge
Like hood and the arbiter?
gilded mason
Yeah
gusty whale
wait didnt hood die in a comic or am i trippin
gilded mason
Nope
gusty whale
guess im trippin then
gilded mason
At the moment, he's drinking his days away on a secret planet
inner basin
With Serin Osman cause she’s also important and they have a S-IV as protection
gusty whale
yeah i thought he got impaled in a comic but i guess he survived
inner basin
I never recall him getting impaled personally
inner basin
Hmm. When?
inner basin
Explains why I don’t remember now
cedar surge
He attacked the leader of the unsc for his dad going missing?
What
How is that hoods fault
It was cutters chive to chase after the covenant
If it wasn't for cutter humanity would have definitely lost
gilded mason
Then-Captain Terrence Hood (Cutter's former executive officer) blamed himself for allowing the ship to go missing, as he ignored orders to avoid contact with the Covenant; the ensuing engagement prevented Spirit of Fire's log buoy from being recovered, thus denying the UNSC any indication of the ship's whereabouts.
cedar surge
Oh
fair hazel
Hood is not 'the leader of the UNSC'
gilded mason
Close enough
cedar surge
Wasmt he in control of all of the forces of humanity at one point
Because the situation got that dire
humble yacht
he was during the H-C war
west silo
Yeah pretty much after Coles death
humble yacht
and the defacto leader of the UEG, since the UNSC took over during that tumultuous time
cedar surge
Psi sepentus best space battle
west silo
Battle of the greater ark baby!
cedar surge
What happened to battlegroup India after Cole told it to leave him?
west silo
Didn't they join up back with the fleet?
cedar surge
Which fleet
cedar surge
Cole told battlegroup India to retreat while him in his flagship lured the covenant to destroy 300 covenant ships
At the end of the battle
west silo
The planet becoming a miniature star might have destroyed it or the got back to unsc space and reported his death
cedar surge
No battlegroup India retreated back to slipspace before the explosion
I think they joined up with the reach fleet
sonic mica
west silo
Then they proceeded to fight in the war and were probably destroyed
cedar surge
You think any many marines survived the full war? Johnson fought in the first and last years of the war
terse lava
perhaps, unless you are being fully literal in which only Johnson's squad would count
west silo
if we u the 27 billion number a lot of marines died
tame belfry
Johnson's squad got wiped like, 4 times
terse lava
come to think of it, wasn't the only survivor from his original squad that chick he later slept with?
nimble crest
Didn’t captain cutter get his stomach ripped up by a grunt and that’s what the shooting was
At the meeting
nimble crest
Then who was it
feral perch
who was what?
nimble crest
There was a grunt that got frightened by a marine and started scratching and clawing at him and shot at it and spooked the covenant with the shots and the grunt survived
And got killed later by the covies
Not a marine but a militiaman
feral stirrup
why didn't we find out what happen to that guy that elite captured in halo waypoints : the return?
that was actually incredibly well done story telling wise. We need more stuff like that
i don't care if 343 doesn't make another game without elites being a playable character
i just want to see more side movies about elites
terse lava
I want both
next delta
how many humans lived before the war
wasnt it like 72 billion or something?
and 28 billion died
terse lava
23 billion or so
west silo
Wasn't it 23 billion that died in palace hotel
terse lava
23 billion had been killed at that point in the war
west silo
And it could be in the 50 billion if we go with halseys journal
terse lava
shrug
west silo
23 billion had been killed at that point in the war
@terse lava
Its kinda implied it was only military deaths
terse lava
If I recall Cortana simply said they (those who died to the scarab on the bridge) would ledt behind like the 23 billion previous humans
west silo
"They will be left behind like the 23 billion before them" as I said kinda implied
Anyways do a unsc cars u water as fuel
terse lava
Doesnt really imply military only, but meh
versed helm
How many arbiters were there
feral stirrup
the idea behind a one world government seems awful
at least the writers acknowledge how messed up the unsc and oni where
terse lava
182 Arbiters
versed helm
Ok
west silo
To be honest civilians life seems great in the ueg unless ur in the other colonies
feral stirrup
depends on the extend of how much the unsc effected things
knotty mesa
Which halo ledgends shorts are canon, is it all besides odd one out?
feral stirrup
if the unsc's only job was to provide global defense and leave the rest of the governing duty to civilians then yeah
local civilian govs
with autonomy
nimble crest
I don’t think the package is believeable
feral stirrup
which is probably the way it worked inorder to have a thriving society within the unsc's colonys
nimble crest
Halsey looked like she was a teenager
feral stirrup
they'd have to let people trade and respect civilians personal privacy
west silo
Just the art isnt canon for some like the package and the duel
feral stirrup
but what's weird and correct me if i'm wrong is that i don't remember any lore mentioning if humans during the time before the covenant war reached any point of having a zeitgeist economy
to where robots and stuff made almost everything they consumed for them
west silo
Are u talking about ancient humanity
Because no there was no lore about it and the were added in but there still pretty cool
cedar surge
@knotty mesa all of halo legends is canon except for odd one out
The visuals are not exactly canon though
cedar surge
The plot is canon but I don't think the visuals are
So if it pertains to the plot of the episode its canon
But if its purely visuals its not
knotty mesa
My point was in the package the mjolnir armor has sheilding but when the short should take place mjolnir shouldnt have sheilding yet (given its blue team and cheif)
cedar surge
Did it say when it took place? Havnt watched that yet
plain sierra
who killed decimus
cedar surge
The SoF and her marines
stable flower
Anyone interested in what that mysterious alien occupation in Shadows Of Reach is? My money is on the Banished.
terse lava
Going with either Banished or Nizat having made his own faction and going to the world
cedar surge
Eh those ships on the cover font don't have banished colors
knotty mesa
It doesnt say when it takes place iirc@cedar surge
feral perch
It’s not the Banished, that much is confirmed
knotty mesa
You sure the package takes place that late?@cedar surge
I know the gen 3 mark 6 takes inspiration from the design used in the short
feral perch
In a blog post, 343i said that Halo Infinite is the first time Chief has encountered the Banished.
knotty mesa
Im refering to the halo Ledgends short the package which afaik doesn't have the banished
feral perch
So Shadows of Reach has some other faction.
cedar surge
I never said when the package takes place,just if it said it did
feral perch
I think it’s 2544... don’t quote me on that.
knotty mesa
Yeah, im pretty sure its pre halo Reach
Since its really the only time that blue team is all together and can rescue ||halsey||
unique rune
Operation: WARM BLANKET and thus the events of The Package took place in 2544.
knotty mesa
Thats what 8 years before reach
unique rune
8 years, yeah. Pretty much everything in Bungie's entries in the franchise happened in 2552.
knotty mesa
I always expected reach to be in fall due to the color pallet of winter contingency
And halo 1 to be the winter of 2552
vague scroll
you got to remember that time is not constant across many planets and locations
Reach's autumn is not Earth' autumn
knotty mesa
Yeah true
vague scroll
and plus, places like the Halos aren't exactly "Earth-like" environments
they might be breathable and have similar climates and fauna
knotty mesa
Yeah they have certian biomes for certian things like cold for flood study
vague scroll
but it's an artificial, it has more in common with an air conditioned room than earth's biosphere
aye
in the Halo CEA terminals, they show Guilty Spark easily just lobbing entire sections of Alpha Halo into space because he could and he did it for research
knotty mesa
The only time we are on earth too is in new monbasa which is an equatorial city
vague scroll
if he wanted to as the monitor, he could make the entire ring eternal winter most likely
cedar surge
So would you guys say that the needles is the most painful covenant weapon?
Plasma should kill you quickly
But needles would stab you and explode leaving shards in the flesh
vague scroll
I’d say both are pretty nasty ways to die
And you won’t feel the needles, you’ll be paste spread across the walls by the time you realize you’ve been hit
In the lore, blamite generally explodes on contact with soft tissue
Very rarely does it maintain its structural integrity, for example with Chyler Silva in Halo 4 Forward Unto Dawn
terse lava
Always found it odd how some kig-yar use the needle as a cutlass. Great idea sure but you lose the blade in your first battle
flat swift
what happens if two spartens have children
pale zephyr
I doubt they could. Spartan-II augmentations practically left spartans with zero drive. Let alone the ability.
gilded mason
Nah, it only had a risk of lowering drive
flat swift
what genes would the child have
gilded mason
Normal ones, the augments wouldn't change the kid-making genes
pale zephyr
Well, technically...
There are several cases of Spartan-I soldiers having children after leaving service, said children did gho on to have some of the enhanced traits of their augmented parents.
As for S-II's, there's no records as far as I know?
flat swift
when was the s1 go into retirement
vague scroll
the only Spartan-II with known children was Randall-037 who was stranded on the colony of Sedra for a time. As part of a deal to retire from the Spartans, he agreed to be de-augmented by ONI. He had a kid on Sedra.
Except his child died during the bio weapon attack in Halo: Nightfall so we never got a chance to see whether she exhibited traits or not of Spartan augmentations
unique rune
The modifications to the -IIs are all physical, phenotypic modifications, not genetic, so there wouldn't be anything to pass down to offspring anyway.
It'd be like expecting the kids of people with hip implants to have hip implants from birth
flat swift
what about s4
vague scroll
some of it was chemical based so it's possible those could have been passed down but you are correct that it's very uplikely
Orion ran all the way into 2506 so S-1s weren't ever retired but information on what happened after for them is spotty
S-IV children are... plausible though the augmentations are fine-tuned to each person so changes made might necessarily be consistent across the generation
flat swift
s3
vague scroll
S-IIIs ironically have the most likelihood due to having chemical-based augmentations, mostly steroidal type injections but they too also lost their sexual drive, though by no means are they infertile
but they also have the highest attrition rates of the Spartan generations so seeing offsprings of S-IIIs is even more unlikely
Orions did have children that seemed to exhibit some kind of genetics passdown for the record
cedar surge
I don't get it. Wasn't the 1s and 2s surgical?
How do the kids get the genes from surgeries
vague scroll
because not all aspects of the augmentations are surgical in nature
rich aspen
Okay guys
Spartans still have the s x drive
It was a possible side affect
Fred clearly shows attraction to vets lopes butt during last light
Like it’s explicitly stated
vague scroll
The catalytic thyroid implant, and muscular enhancement injections were hormonal in nature - thus possible for continued effects later in life, or even an offspring - that doesn't necessarily mean augmented offsprings, that could be something as odd placed like a birth defect or latent health concerns for offsprings because of modifications made on a potential S-II who became a parent
@rich aspen it's more than that, Spartans can have children - Randall-037 had a daughter
rich aspen
@vague scroll oh yeah
dunno why the whole thing about Spartans not having kids really stems from then
vague scroll
people misread the wiki, have only ever picked up the Fall of Reach, or haven't bothered to watch Halo: Nightfall
cedar surge
So how strong are Spartans? Like are they capable of lifting up a warthog?
vague scroll
it's easy to forget that Halo lore is massive and that not everyone is in tune with it. For me, I've contributed to Halopedia and consider myself somewhat knowledgeable on Halo lore - I haven't read six or so of the novels. It's quite an investment to remember this kind of stuff.
Personally, I find the fascination of Spartans' capability for having an offspring something trivial but it seems to be one of those things people love to know more about.
Spartan strength is subjective to the author/storyteller but generally flipping a warthog is in their wheelhouse when wearing armor. Flipping a scorpion is a bit outlandish even for Spartans.
main mountain
classic
lethal comet
Isn't it mentioned in Fall of Reach that the spartan IIs augmentations suppressed their sexual hormones
And Spartans CAN have kids
Randall was an example
gilded mason
Only that there was a risk of it happening
lethal comet
Haven't seen any spartans with those emotions except black team pre augs
or maybe randall
versed helm
What does it take for a spartan to become a headhunter
lethal comet
Skills and the ability to survive without human contact ig
versed helm
Ok
versed helm
Ik jun lead a headhunter team
lethal comet
6 would have been headhunter too i presume due to him being a lone wolf
And "making entire armies disappear" sounds pretty headhunter to me
versed helm
I mean noble six was a hyper lethal like chief
gilded mason
Marketing term, later expanded by 343 to mean every Spartan
versed helm
I’m still surprised that we haven’t gotten more lore for noble six
gilded mason
Personally, I'd feel it a bit wasteful
lethal comet
They already canonised Six's gender
lethal comet
Because he hasn't been expanded upon yet
cedar surge
No he is even more of a shell than chief in the main games
Six doesn't have any personality
lethal comet
Bungie did that on purpose
lethal comet
Six is supposed to be a reflection of the player
cedar surge
Them how are you supposed to make a character out of that
unique rune
Which is why trying to give him deeper character building would only lead to disappointment and outrage
lethal comet
Finally make canon stuff on him
cedar surge
Making a character that's a reflection of millions of people who all have different views on six
You can't make a character out of that
lethal comet
Fistful of arrows at least gave personality to rest of noble
unique rune
Yeah, and?
cedar surge
Yes because they had personalities
unique rune
The other members of Noble were written with the intent of being their own characters
cedar surge
They actually had souls
unique rune
not player self-inserts
lethal comet
What about the rookie
cedar surge
Rookie died
unique rune
I mean.
They killed off the Rookie.
Tells you enough about him.
lethal comet
At least wasn't as much of a self insert
west silo
Doomslayer is pretty much a player insert and he has more character than six
lethal comet
Slayer is literally a god in the lore
cedar surge
He refused to fire on civilians and had a pet bunny
west silo
Wow i did not know that
lethal comet
He refused to fire on civilians and had a pet bunny
@cedar surge that was the original slayer
west silo
He refused to fire on civilians and had a pet bunny
@cedar surge
He was also a little insane
cedar surge
Doom actually has lore
lethal comet
btw in the reboot the forces of hell succeeded in conquering earth unlike the og dooms
west silo
btw in the reboot the forces of hell succeeded in conquering earth unlike the og dooms
@lethal comet
The reboot takes place thousands of years later
Dude read the lore
west silo
The incineration cannon
lethal comet
How effective would slayer be against flood I wonder
west silo
How large is the outbreak?
lethal comet
High charity in halo 3
cedar surge
Nothing can harm the doomslayer except the energy demons use in doom
lethal comet
The spartans sure as hell wouldnt survive the forces of hell
cedar surge
Anything mortal will not work on the doom slayer armor
west silo
Man am not even sure how chief survived fight inside a graveminds with billions of flood forms
lethal comet
The flood doesn't seem mortal to me
lethal comet
What would the definition of mortal be
west silo
Anything mortal will not work on the doom slayer armor
@cedar surge
Are u saying if the nova bomb blow up on Doomslayer he would survive?
cedar surge
Any thing not used by demons
west silo
Dude stop it
cedar surge
The energy demons use is the only thing that harms it
lethal comet
How many spartans do reckon could take down a marauder
west silo
How many spartans do reckon could take down a marauder
@lethal comet
One with the right equipment
cedar surge
What were those marines dking on high charity during halo 2
Shouldn't have the covenant killed them
lethal comet
spartans don't have anywhere near as powerful regeneration as slayer @west silo
west silo
They were prisoners along with johnson
cedar surge
To be eaten?
west silo
spartans don't have anywhere near as powerful regeneration as slayer @west silo
@lethal comet
Have u any feats of slayer regeneration?
orchid prism
Well Slayer's blessed with the divinity machine
west silo
To be eaten?
@cedar surge
Maybe
lethal comet
They needed backups in case johnson and miranda wouldnt activate halo
cedar surge
Cole protocol has taken a extreme turn
lethal comet
You know that the covenant taking you alive is worse than killing you
especially when its brutes
west silo
Dude this is what I hate about doom they take something thats obviously hiperbol and use it as gospel
The slayer was beaten by a building falling on him then they just took his armor
orchid prism
He wasnt killed
versed helm
Did you think black team was washouts or no