Jenkins had the worst flood infection as well
#lore-and-universe
cedar surge
Oh yea the one with the old flood spore
lethal comet
He had to watch and feel the flood control him
cedar surge
Did he infect anybody else?
lethal comet
He went through so much pain in his life
Did he infect anybody else?
@cedar surge He got himself captured
So he couldn't
But if it wasn't for him then the flood would have spread to Earth
west silo
All the while two misfits go demon hunting
west silo
Chief took all the luck
lethal comet
At least Yayap died at peace
frank copper
Keyes is part of the hive mind? I thought John destroyed his brain so he wouldn’t suffer
lethal comet
Keyes is part of the hive mind? I thought John destroyed his brain so he wouldn’t suffer
The proto gravemind was destroyed
The hive mind never even formed
west silo
Keyes is part of the hive mind? I thought John destroyed his brain so he wouldn’t suffer
@frank copper
There is some implications that the flood can infect ur soul
lethal comet
Proto graveminds need to become graveminds before they can form a hive mind and absorb intelligences
sinful pollen
Someone just get booped?
lethal comet
The proto was just mentally torturing Keyes to find Earth's location
gilded mason
Protograveminds are hiveminds. Not as powerful as full Graveminds, but hiveminds nonetheless.
paper hedge
Yeah Kat ❤️ was techie but she could have lead a squad.
west silo
Proto graveminds need to become graveminds before they can form a hive mind and absorb intelligences
@lethal comet
Actually the mona Lisa shows that a proto gravemind can do that no problem
terse lava
yeah, the protos are pretty much organic computers
lethal comet
Protograveminds are hiveminds. Not as powerful as full Graveminds, but hiveminds nonetheless.
Dont they need to become graveminds to transmitt data
terse lava
which are able to speak as wel
gilded mason
Nope
west silo
The proto was just mentally torturing Keyes to find Earth's location
@lethal comet
Actually the it implies it had it all along and was just messing with him
sinful pollen
The Primordial just wanted to be friends but the Forerunners had to interrogate it
west silo
The Primordial just wanted to be friends but the Forerunners had to interrogate it
@sinful pollen
Actually the humans did it first
cedar surge
@paper hedge how do the two correlate. Do we see a lot of her actually capable of leasing people?
terse lava
well originally it didn't know Earth's location
lethal comet
Does the UEG control the unsc or is it the other way around with ONI
gilded mason
HW2:
As the Flood grow in number these key minds combine and expand into larger, exponentially more intelligent networks. The appearance of these vile collectives typically indicate most local animal life and sentient hosts have been infected or consumed. Once a critical mass of key minds have combined the Flood's centralized intelligence can begin to emerge in their seething mass of corrupted flesh: a Proto-Gravemind that sifts through and feeds on the memories of every Flood-infected victim. ```UEG=human govt
UNSC=military
lethal comet
I know that
sinful pollen
Technically, the Precursors should've already known Earth's location seeing as they created the Humans.
lethal comet
The UNSC just seems like a military junta
cedar surge
And they created every other race
sinful pollen
There goes another one
terse lava
the Gravemind during the flood war did admit there were tnings on the Precursors it no longer understood
west silo
Does the UEG control the unsc or is it the other way around with ONI
@lethal comet
The ueg is the government and oni is an intelligence group who acts like a shadow government
paper hedge
@cedar surge she could have try
next delta
did blue team get mark 6 armor when they came back to earth
lethal comet
I meant a military junta
Cause the Fleet Admiral and CINCONI seem to have a lot of power
west silo
Well the ueg did give all it power to rhe unsc during the war and the unsc gave it back after
cedar surge
Just cause she could try doesn't mean she could
sinful pollen
Installation 00 released a new video this morning talking about what the Primordial told the ancient humans when they asked about the flood to make them............you know, off themselves.
west silo
Who are u guys talking about?
Installation 00 released a new video this morning talking about what the Primordial told the ancient humans when they asked about the flood to make them............you know, off themselves.
@sinful pollen
I'm god ur ants the end
sinful pollen
?
west silo
Dumb summarization of how the conversion went
paper hedge
@cedar surge just give her an squad. I believe in her. I don’t care if she’s gone.
terse lava
the precursors saw the universe as a living being on a level far above normal life. The video goes that what the Primordial told the humans was that the precursors were the universe itself. It used them as avatars to experience itself and all life's "sweetness." They would create and nuture life and after it advanced far enough, they could consume it to gain all that there was. In that way, the universe gets to experience life
cedar surge
Sounds like a bias here
paper hedge
No
cedar surge
Yes
paper hedge
No, because she can 🙂
cedar surge
No because she can't
paper hedge
For you. To me, she can 🙂
terse lava
Thus why the forerunners rebelled, the found out the horrible truth and attempted to save all life
west silo
the precursors saw the universe as a living being on a level far above normal life. The video goes that what the Primordial told the humans was that the precursors were the universe itself. It used them as avatars to experience itself and all life's "sweetness." They would create and nuture life and after it advanced far enough, they could consume it to gain all that there was. In that way, the universe gets to experience life
@terse lava
I guess u could say the universe was out get them
Thus why the forerunners rebelled, the found out the horrible truth and attempted to save all life
@Ado 'Ulamee#9207
Technically they found out they were going to get exterminated and replace and saved themselves
terse lava
you did that wrong
but no, we have two versions for the start of the war. One side claims they would be wiped out and thus went out to defend themselves. The other side says the forerunners rebelled for no reason besides not getting the Mantle
I side with the ones who are not revenge driven insane beings
west silo
Question is the precursor picture in warfleet a flood precursor or normal one because if the latter yikes
west silo
Looks more creepy than the primordial
paper hedge
Flood precursor?
terse lava
what about them?
well we never actually the Primordial's face
just details on what it looks like
west silo
True
paper hedge
What’s a flood precursor?
cedar surge
A precursor who looks like the flood or is it the other way around
terse lava
its just the flood
precursors who reduced themselves into a powder to survive the genocide, but over millions of years that powder became corrupted
paper hedge
Never heard of this before
orchid prism
How did the powder get corrupted?
gilded mason
I suppose an analogy might be like food becoming spoiled
dense beacon
It became corrupted by tech or something didn’t it? Or an AI
gilded mason
Not as far as I'm aware
dense beacon
An AI corrupted the dust and the first gravemind was created, I think
west silo
More like leaving food in the fridge till it gets spoiled
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
yeah, no AI involvement, just pure time
paper hedge
Kat was second in command of Noble team, that’s why I think she can lead a squad. @cedar surge
dense beacon
Can’t lead a squad if your brain has been punctured
Tends to put a hamper on combat
west silo
U know people say the squad ai in halo 5 was dumb but wasnt the reach squad ais worst
paper hedge
@dense beacon I know she’s gone and this discussion started because I suggested Kat as commander in HW2, would be fine. It’s unlikely to happen but would be good.
dense beacon
Ah okay
cedar surge
Everyone in halo wars is already a leader of something or AI
slow igloo
the precursors saw the universe as a living being on a level far above normal life. The video goes that what the Primordial told the humans was that the precursors were the universe itself. It used them as avatars to experience itself and all life's "sweetness." They would create and nuture life and after it advanced far enough, they could consume it to gain all that there was. In that way, the universe gets to experience life
@terse lava
This is just a fan theory, right? While I like it way more than the whole Forerunners just being jealous, its not "considered" canon. Dont get me wrong. Alot of that theory makes sense. Like a crazy amount of sense. Or is it even considered canon about the Forerunners being jealous about the Mantle? I know the Domain can "remember" things differently like an organic brain can
terse lava
I was simply summarizing what he said in the video so yeah it's a fan theory
The jealously part for the mantle we only have the gravemind giving that claim
slow igloo
U know people say the squad ai in halo 5 was dumb but wasnt the reach squad ais worst
@west silo haha honsetly they were both bad. Only thing that inraged me was the in H5 the AI always nearly failed at picking you back up. Atleast you didnt have to worry about that in Reach
west silo
@west silo haha honsetly they were both bad. Only thing that inraged me was the in H5 the AI always nearly failed at picking you back up. Atleast you didnt have to worry about that in Reach
@slow igloo
Yeah just have to worry about Kat driving
slow igloo
oh ok. I now see. Great fan theory and I wouldn't complain if 343 worked it in like nobody really remembers exactly how it happened
cedar surge
Hey you think that ground battles thing will ever come back?
west silo
Hey you think that ground battles thing will ever come back?
@cedar surge
Well never know
cedar surge
Seeing banished and prometheans in it would be cool
But I don't think there is many big post war battles that isn't just Spartan IVs
west silo
Though wasn't there a tweet that said 343 were hiring people to work on other halo related projects
stable flower
Brute Force (released in 2003) on the Xbox had great squad AI.
When a game from 2003 has better squad AI than a game from 2015, that's a serious problem.
west silo
Fear has better ai than most modern games ur point
orchid prism
F.E.A.R. stands for First Encounter Assault Recon, right?
west silo
Yep I think
stable flower
My point is that a game from the early 2000s has better squad AI than a game from the mid-2010s. It's an example of quality over quantity.
I just started playing FEAR back in March. I'm real late.
orchid prism
The original was too good, 2 was ok, 3 was.... bad.
west silo
Just like doom 3
orchid prism
Doom 3 was at least better than fear 3
west silo
No arguments there
stable flower
F3AR? More like SM3AR
orchid prism
My fav was actually Extraction point
stable flower
FEAR AI was good but had it's limitations. The AI wasn't meant to fight one another. This is why there are only two instances in the original game where you see a battle between Replicas and ATC security guards.
orchid prism
Perseus mandate was ok, not that bad
stable flower
Yet the expansion packs seemed to negate that. XP had Holiday as an allied combatant, and PM had your teammates and random Delta Force operatives.
unique rune
So I just finished Meridian Divide, and, uh.
Hm.
Ending feels kinda weird when trying to fit it in line with the rest of what we know of the Spartan-IV program’s development timeline.
unique rune
They’re like prototype IVs, yeah, but it’s just weird to think about when there’s the other “prototype” Spartan-IVs, who were... kind of a disaster.
west silo
Zane lady?
unique rune
Ten test subjects, nine of which died, and the survivor left very much mentally unstable.
Ilsa Zane, yes.
unique rune
Judging by what the author of the Battle Born series said, we probably won’t be because the third installment was unfortunately cancelled.
So that is... a mild inconvenience.
unique rune
The publisher decided not to publish the third one (it was a huge disappointment to me as well!) I'm hoping if people let them know they want a sequel, they'll change their mind.
Said it in a response on her website earlier this year.
Kinda sucks. I enjoyed the books well enough.
I guess with those two out of the way it’s finally time for me to start on Silent Storm.
west silo
Wow i really did not need that
sinful pollen
Technically, there can still be normal precursors out there. Not all of them converted themselves into the powder/dust. There were others that just escaped the galaxy and some that put themselves into stasis.
stable flower
I really wanna see the pre-UNSC proxy wars and the Interplanetary War explored more.
cedar surge
And old human vehicles and ships
Is there any current unsc design that dates to back then?
unique rune
Strongly doubt it
Oldest vehicle series that I can find still in service with the UNSC is the Scorpion, and that only goes back to 2218, which is still decades after the end of the Interplanetary War
Some of the art from Halo Mythos on the Interplanetary War seems to show a weapon resembling an MA5K being used... but I would assume that’s nothing more than some artistic license or just an error because the MA5 series didn’t entire service until the late 24th century
Or it’s probably just a separate thing from the MA series entirely
stable flower
We see all these historical Covenant and pre-Covenant conflicts but barely hear about historical human conflicts.
versed helm
we do hear about 10,000 year old human conflicts, tho
frank copper
This TV show they’re doing, hopefully it will feel natural and not bizarre
It could be as big as Star Trek
If they do it right
God hoping
inner basin
I just hope there are no canonical inconsistencies, or at least minimum inconsistencies at worst
cedar surge
I hope they don't rip apart lore for the show
chilly pagoda
Quick question about Flood
so Key Minds are supposed to be super Graveminds essentially
how big are they? Are they a planet sized mind, or something smaller?
terse lava
Planet size, but the term now applies to any compound mind. From a flood juggernaut, to a planet sized gravemind
versed helm
a key mind is something that has attained a certain amount of bio-mass
juggernaut is probably entry-level
humble yacht
A keymind is any coordinator form
they range from a variety of sizes and capabilities
orchid prism
Planet sized graveminds... that reminds me of bretheren moons from dead space.
humble yacht
yeah, the scale is similar, tho the construction method is different
orchid prism
I see
versed helm
both are VERY lovecraftian
orchid prism
Love lovecraft horror
steep pewter
Watched Halo Legends recently.
I really had no idea that Flood Gravemind could grow to become Planet sized monsters.
Now I understand why Forerunners had a hard time against Flood, and Humans had no chance at all.
spiral hollow
Yep When the flood create Keyminds they can access neural physics, which really screwed the Forerunners over
versed helm
I watched Installation 00’s theory on the primordial
About what he said that made the humans commit suicide
And man did it get lovecraften horror
Basically it goes like this
The precursors are manifestations of the living universe which neural physics says the universe is a living thing beyond the comprehension of living things
They seed life in the universe and wait for it to grow advanced
Then when the time is right
The flood, which are basically forms of the precursors, come and consume all life and eat all the memories and consciousnesses. These are “fed” to the living universe, a sort of “sweetness”
Then the cycle repeats again
The reason the domain says the forerunners acted out of no reason and humanity was suppose to get the mantle was because the precursors planted miss leading information
To cover up the truth and their true intentions
That’s the theory he proposed
keen delta
I like this interpretation, as it means the forerunner murdered the precursors for a legitimate reason other than humanity being the intended holder of the mantle
and I like pushing that lovecraftian interpretation of the precursors/flood
dim idol
noob question here... was it ever explained how Doctor Halsey lost her arm?
versed helm
The forerunners found about this dark secrets of the precursors
And acted to protect all life
They have different interpretations of the mantle
The precursors include suffering for all life
carmine sleet
noob question here... was it ever explained how Doctor Halsey lost her arm?
Spartan Ops, she was wounded by Palmer in an attempt to assassinate her (Orders from ONI), Jul later cut it off
versed helm
Forerunners want life to live in peace
dim idol
Spartan Ops, she was wounded by Palmer in an attempt to assassinate her (Orders from ONI), Jul later cut it off
@carmine sleet thank you for the explanation 🙂 seemed to have missed that one!
carmine sleet
No worries
versed helm
And the mantle could be thought of as the precursors wanting species to fight
To wage war
In order for their “experiences” to be more “sweet”
stark fern
so was the greater ark only used to make the rings? or can it fire them, as well?
frank copper
Since I’m dumb, someone please re-explain what the Ark actually is
carmine sleet
The Arks served as foundaries where the the Halos were made and as a place to store and preserve life as well as allowing someone to fire the rings. The Greater Ark was destroyed during the Forerunner Flood War while the Lesser Ark survives to the current day of the Halo franchise
unique rune
Not really sure why I've suddenly been reminded of this, but, uh. One of the complaints I've seen with 4/5's D79-series Pelican design is that it... apparently can't actually fly?
Is there actually any weight to that? Like has someone actually gone and done an in-depth analysis on the airframe or something?
Or is it just people complaining that they think it's ugly?
carmine sleet
The original 12 rings were made by the Greater Ark but all but one were destroyed, with the last surviving ring, Zeta, being added into the current array, made by the Lesser Ark
That's a good question Nova, someone should test it out
unique rune
It's just something that seems really weird to me because I've seen it mentioned on multiple occasions but I've never seen any work or evidence that suggests it's not aerodynamically sound or whatever.
carmine sleet
Aye, like, I can understand disliking the design, since it does have quite a significant difference in terms of look, but I don't think anyone has actually worked out if it can't fly
frank copper
So the Halo Wars 2 + Infinite ring, is Zeta
And Halo Wars 2 takes place on the lesser Ark?
unique rune
The ring in Halo Wars 2 is Installation 09, intended to replace Installation 04 as Alpha Halo.
Yes, HW2's events are on the Lesser Ark.
The ring in Infinite is unidentified thus far but there's a fair bit of info that implies it's Zeta Halo.
frank copper
What makes a Halo an Alpha
unique rune
Firing sequence
The rings are named in the order that they fire when the entire array is activated
Alpha first, Beta second, Gamma third, and so on.
Though for whatever reason the names make a jump from Zeta to Kappa for the sixth and seventh, respectively...
frank copper
There’s a Halo named Kappa?
gilded mason
Yes, 06.
frank copper
Can the Ark keep making unlimited Halo ring replacements
carmine sleet
The Sentinels don't build the rings
frank copper
Who then, builds the rings
unique rune
The Ark can construct additional rings as long as it has the resources and is in working condition.
frank copper
Why does humanity keep the Lesser Ark active. Doesn’t it pose too much of a risk knowing that it can keep constructing galaxy destroyers?
feral perch
Humanity doesn't have a choice.
The Ark was far from being tamed by UNSC researchers when the Banished invaded.
carmine sleet
Onyx Sentinels definitely weren't building a ring
feral perch
There wasn't a Halo ring anywhere near Onyx.
What kinda fanfiction have you been reading?
Now, Sentinels comprised the outer shell of Onyx.
keen delta
Don't need to disable the ark if you disable the array one hula hoop at a time
dense beacon
K n ow y o u r l o r e
keen delta
Pretty sure that was infinitys mission in halo 4
jolly furnace
Regarding Installation 00s theory, the Domain stored the experiences and memories and knowledge of living beings after they passed on so there would be no need for the universe to manifest Precursors to create life only to then absorb them as Flood so as to add to the universe's sweetness as the Domain does that already basically.
keen delta
Perhaps it's intended to do it all at once to prevent stagnation
cedar surge
Wait when as person dies they go to the domain?
versed helm
No
Not exactly
The domain contains knowledge and other things
I don’t think halo has an afterlife
But one thing is for sure
The precursors are the real villains of the universe
west silo
The reason the domain says the forerunners acted out of no reason and humanity was suppose to get the mantle was because the precursors planted miss leading information
@King of hell- Crowley#4584
Am pretty sure it was the primordial who said that not the domain
jolly furnace
Its believed by Forerunners the Domain transfers knowledge and memories of living beings after they pass on
Given it was made to store knowledge of all life and experience its logical that the Domain can do this automatically when a lfeform has passed
Or else it wouldnt be able to store that knowledge
As not all life will invent composers or means of uploading to the Domain
or even learn of its existence
in the first place
agile hollow
is there a 353 guilty spark?
carmine sleet
No
thin elk
They have different names
versed helm
Yeah the primordial is a precursor
He could have altered it
We don’t know for sure
And with the domain it is their creation after all
Free to change it as whatever they wish
peak veldt
How much time between Halo CE end and Halo 3 end?
How much time between Halo 3 end and Halo Wars 2 End?
Does Installation 04's second replacement end up on Threshold again?
Pretty much im just curious how much time it takes for a Halo to be made, what happens after and how far along the Halo 3 one was
carmine sleet
Space of a few months between end of CE and Halo 3. Just under 7 years between the end of Halo 3 and Halo Wars 2. Installation 09 was intercepted before it reached its destination by one of the Guardians commanded by Cortana
humble yacht
- less than a year
- 7 years, give or take a few months
- No
- Unclear. Depends on the state of the ark and how much material is in the Foundry
peak veldt
I was always surprised how far along the Halo 3 ring was, tho I guess when you do the Warthog run it looks VERY unfinished. Did the pulse fire off before it broke?
versed helm
Is there a reason why 343 guilty spark went crazy when Johnson tried to fire installation 08 early or no
bright briar
Protocol was to protect the installation, and he knew that firing early would destroy it. So he was acting to save the Halo.
versed helm
Ok
fringe robin
"Protocol dictates action!"
carmine sleet
Spark was also still not happy about his first ring being destroyed and he was suffering from rampancy too
terse lava
always found it amusing. The Flood is currently tainting the ark and his new halo, but he's perfectly happy to wait a "few more days" to fire it. He never gives a reason to hold the firing outside of drstruction. no, "While new, this installtion can deploy enough sentinels to out area to delay the flood"
gilded mason
@unique rune
Fancy meetin' ya in MCC, Nova.
unique rune
Oh holy crap I didn't notice
gilded mason
I was the Elite MVP ;)
terse lava
hm? nice
sly stream
doesn't ce take place in 2552 and 3 take place in 2553
gilded mason
Nope, only the epilogue was later revealed to take place in 2553
sly stream
ah
frank copper
2552 was the Golden Year for events
sly stream
does Halo Wars 2 have a better story than the first one
gilded mason
Eh, not really.
sly stream
well that kinda sucks
obsidian thistle
I'd say HW is a great contained story. While HW2 is great for starting narrative threads and keeping em open.
jolly furnace
Question - how much can an Elite shield take in canon before being drained for recharge.
gilded mason
Depends
jolly furnace
Like canonically could take tank an entire mag from a BR or an Assault Rifle
Just wondering
gilded mason
Like, there was the ranger that tanked 5 sniper rifle shots from Linda.
jolly furnace
Like in quick succession
gilded mason
Yeah
jolly furnace
Jeez
Such rounds would be armor piercing too
those be heavy rounds
That's only a ranger too
Now i wonder how their strongest personal shielding fares
And those shields are nothing to those of Forerunner personal shielding
obsidian thistle
Lets say its hard to guage shield strength.
Seeing as so many factors are in play
gilded mason
Yeah
west silo
He did have a special shield through because he was being used as bait or a destraction
gilded mason
Ain't talkin' about Oblivion.
cedar surge
I think there was a elite killed by a revolver but I'm not sure if they had shields
stable flower
They need to bring back Hocus.
Halo's creators have an annoying habit of making characters and forgetting about them.
unique rune
...Who?
Oh.
The Pelican pilot from Halo 3.
Don't see what bringing her back would really add, but.... alright.
west silo
Remember when some elites elites survived getting shot by 50mm cannons?
fair hazel
I'd like TJ Murphy back personally
terse lava
Dont recall any time a sangheili has survived a 50 mm cannon
west silo
Oblivion when the elites are shooting at the prowler and. It shots back at them with its point defense guns nizat and some other elites get shot
cedar surge
Has it been specified that those are 50mm?
So with reach gone what was the second oldest colony out of the solar system?
vague scroll
that's an unknown tbh
west silo
Has it been specified that those are 50mm?
@cedar surge
Doesn't warfleet say that most unsc point defense guns are either 50mm cannons or coulguns?
cedar surge
Huh
But wait
Elites are surviving point defense guns?
Don't point defense guns have to be way more powerful than that
west silo
Ur first question about the guns
Hey blame the book
Remember that time a hunter got one shoted by a pistol in the flood
half jacinth
In fall of reach, Chief mentions that there can’t be too many AIs in the same place. Why is that?
nimble crest
The Director has stated ai are not to communicate with each other.
half jacinth
The ones in Fall Of Reach, broke that rule. Correct? Since they left as soon chief walked in
gilded mason
Was it in the context of the Cole Protocol?
half jacinth
Smh
I can pull the quote form the book after this game. He just said that Athena told him so. Not that much context of why
lethal comet
The AI rule could have been put into place after Mack tried to save sif in CH and put the nav database in danger
Rampant AI can get attached like humans
nimble crest
Were any Spartans besides chief present at the battle for earth
Not necessarily in Mombasa
gilded mason
Fred, Linda, and Will went to places like Antarctica, the Yucatan Peninsula, and Cuba during the battle.
nimble crest
Why did the covenant pick Cuba? Were there any artifacts?
gilded mason
Brutes were using its elevator to ferry nukes around
nimble crest
Another question, sorry
The brutes already started killing elites prior to the schism? Like on the mission with buck
And scattered about Mombasa streets
gilded mason
Ye
As soon as Regret left, Truth had his Brutes that were already there begin the Schism
nimble crest
Why did Veronica say it was classified? Was she just saying it to say it?
gilded mason
She probably had no idea why it was happening, but thought it best not to jump to any conclusions
cedar surge
The brutes were stealing nukes?
nimble crest
And what happened with Virgil after the war? The huraguk I mean
COVIe nukes
Like the big spiked one on the Cairo
cedar surge
I didn't know the covenant also used thsm
gilded mason
It and Sadie started working together to do stuff
nimble crest
Sadie?
gilded mason
From ODST?
cedar surge
Before getting kidnapped by insurrectionists somehow
nimble crest
The girl from the audio logs?
gilded mason
Yeah
nimble crest
Yeh I’m doing the audio log adventures on the streets and how many are there ?
gilded mason
A lot
cedar surge
How did Virgil get kidnapped by the insurrectionists again?
nimble crest
Why did the indies want him
cedar surge
You would think ONI would of had him secure
gilded mason
I guess Mickey had something to do with it? I forget, really
cedar surge
Oh yea did the unsc ever plan of having a engineer on every unsc ship?
nimble crest
He had covie intelligence and a superintendent big whoop
gilded mason
They might've planned on it
gilded mason
No idea
cedar surge
Its not too bad a plan until you relise they would probably cause another nova accident
nimble crest
That’s a arc waiting to happen
cedar surge
Cause the engineers activated the nova bomb killing everyone on the moon and planet and destroying the entire fleet
nimble crest
I wonder if the Cortana Schtick would have affected the engineers
cedar surge
Imagine if that happened on every unsc ship with a nuke
half jacinth
Chapter 12, paragraph 3. Is when chief mentions he sees a dozen of AI. Long quote
cedar surge
It would be a dumb way to have ships explode
cedar surge
There are likely other unsc personal still on the rings. We even see a save marines icon
What do you mean how
gilded mason
I assume they simply got to safety on the ring before Banished ships killed them
nimble crest
I’m assuming the mission we saw at demo was like a few missions in
gilded mason
Yes.
nimble crest
Like shouldn’t they go to reach first chronologically? They are doing thst right?
gilded mason
What?
nimble crest
Or is that just the book
cedar surge
Shadows of reach
cedar surge
Its halo 5-bad blood-shadows of reach- then infinite
nimble crest
What in the world is that book gonna be about
gilded mason
Stuff
nimble crest
Why are they returning
cedar surge
Blue team coming back to reach to pillage castle base
gilded mason
To get something of Halsey's
cedar surge
That's the plot
nimble crest
But
cedar surge
Oh yea there is a alien faction there
nimble crest
I thought it was
cedar surge
So likely banished
nimble crest
D e s t r o y e d
nimble crest
Sword base got blown up or castle
gilded mason
Then again, the alien craft looks very...not-Banished
nimble crest
Maybe a splinter group for the other species or something
And would the SoS and banished got along? They are splinters of the covenant but still
cedar surge
Just because both of them rebelled does not make them friends
cedar surge
Hope this splinter group isn't just called the covenant or covenant remnant and are actually given a name
nimble crest
And the new alien faction might be one of the other alien species rebel groups or god maybe one of the fringe
Please god no
gilded mason
Neo Nova New Covenant 2.0: Electric Boogaloo
nimble crest
That got people talking
cedar surge
Covenant 3:its real this time
gusty whale
part of me hopes its a new species thats like more dangerous than elites/brutes and such
half jacinth
One of my wishes for halo infinite is when you play Co op, the other 3 players will play as their MP Spartan. Instead of a dupe Chief
nimble crest
Didn’t the fringe from nightfall basically become porkys after the covenant got destroyed
cedar surge
Yea how long has it been since we met a new faction not apart of the covenant in some way?
nimble crest
Hahahaha haha
frank copper
I wonder how many covenant remnants after the Storm are still religious
nimble crest
Prolly not a lot
half jacinth
Probably none
cedar surge
Most enemies are covenant faction,prometheans, or insurrectionists. I wish there were more standalone factions
nimble crest
Shouldn’t most of the SOS look like how the halo 3 elites look?
cedar surge
Art change
nimble crest
But like canonically
gusty whale
it is weird that they and the covenant still share armor design
half jacinth
Jul’s covenant was so disorganized. Throughout the first level of Halo 5, high command elites were starting to doubt him/ insulting him. I loved that detail
cedar surge
Canonically o think its still 3 but to save time and money they used the art change. But that is just from what I got from it
nimble crest
How big is high charity? I have so many questions just popping into my head
fringe robin
384km in diameter
cedar surge
Bigger than both death stars
gusty whale
i just saw an achievement for halo 5 to help some elites get past the prometheans on the first mission, i wonder if theyd attack you after
nimble crest
Like, the size of a moon?
cedar surge
Small moon but yea
nimble crest
Wish there was more said about the structure of high charity and the living situation
It wasn’t all military right?
nimble crest
Like they had domestic lives too yes?
gusty whale
i like learning about normal stuff that happens in halo, outside of the fighting
i think its cool
nimble crest
Covie desk jobs
Covie night clubs
Covie convertible
Covie high school
Covie music
I ponder
nimble crest
We cry with you
cedar surge
And in the corner of your eyes you see the unsc and ONI dancing
gilded mason
wude
cedar surge
They didn't even have to lose anything for the covenant capital to be destroyed
Plus a prophet died
Its a win win situation there
nimble crest
Well a frigate
weary wadi
i think its cool they had entire huge cities inside of their ships
nimble crest
In amber clad went with it
cedar surge
Aw cone on there are thousands of frigates
gilded mason
Also caused a lot of UNSC personnel to be tortured for all eternity. That's gotta bite.
nimble crest
^^
cedar surge
Well isn't that only 250 people
nimble crest
The ones that didn’t got to go to a COVIE night club. W
cedar surge
In sure this will in no way harm the unsc
gilded mason
Earth, too. And some of the people that went to the Ark
cedar surge
Hey only one covenant infected ship got to earth thanks to our tall 4 lipped friends
nimble crest
Well the base in halo 3 in the beginning wasn’t over populated
cedar surge
Of course its a military base
nimble crest
What I mean is that what was the ratio of wounded to upright troopers at that battle
unique rune
oh I can’t even say that
dang it
i just saw an achievement for halo 5 to help some elites get past the prometheans on the first mission, i wonder if theyd attack you after
The Sangheili Commander does change to a friendly once you reach the objective on that particular section.
That was... not a fun achievement.
cedar surge
Actually how are any of those soldiers alive. Do you think they exclusively got hit by brute weapons? Since plasma is s one hit kill for marines
nimble crest
Weren’t needlers nearly always lethal?
cedar surge
Oh wait there was that unsc marine who survived a needler shot to the back in halo wars
nimble crest
Blamite man
cedar surge
Uh I thinks it lethal when a bunch hit you
nimble crest
Well a lot weren’t needed to kill kat
gilded mason
Likely lethal when one hits. They're really big.
gusty whale
@unique rune cool
nimble crest
What weapon could a marine survive more then 1 shot
cedar surge
Plasma pistol
unique rune
Kat’s... incident was also a bit of a weird one, considering usually blamite shards stay embedded in a target instead of piercing clean through.
cedar surge
Must have been a weird angle
nimble crest
It ‘twas
gusty whale
kats death pisses me off because if she'd just put her helmet on earlier to let her shields recharge she'd be fine
cedar surge
Marines can also survive spikers
gusty whale
wait what?
cedar surge
Like that marine who while pinned to the wall by a spiker shot down two brutes with a BR by himself
Yea the glassing disabled the shields
nimble crest
The emp blast killed the shields of the team for a while and only could recharge after a while
cedar surge
Gameplay@gusty whale
fair hazel
That's not a confirmed lore thing
nimble crest
80 million ruentgons
Carter couldn’t contact Holland the radiation destroyed most electronics
nimble crest
And Romeo survived a gravity hammer so add that to the list
fair hazel
MJOLNIR is EMP hardened.
cedar surge
He went flying by the gravity hammer blast,then got stabbed by the blade
fair hazel
Romeo was impacted by the blade
wispy wasp
Is there a limit to the size of a flood infestation or coule it in theory have control over the entire universe?
cedar surge
Yes
fair hazel
i'd say only limtied by the physical limitations of the universe
cedar surge
It could take over the universe
And the flood could rip apart the physical limitations
wispy wasp
That's scary
fair hazel
any technology sufficently..
wispy wasp
So what you're saying is that the flood could infect multiple universes if it becomes big enough in one?
fair hazel
there are a lot of empty spaces between the small islands of asters
gusty whale
i heard awhile back about a spartan 2 that got stuck in a slipspace bubble on a space station, whats the deal with that?
fair hazel
non canon nicole from dead or alive?
gusty whale
idk i know shes in that but idk if shes canon or not
fair hazel
not canon
gusty whale
rip
west silo
Ilovebees is canon though right?
gusty whale
i wonder why they would make a whole story for it if it isnt canon
@west silo didnt bungie say it wasnt then 343 said it is as long as it doesnt contradict anything?
i heard that recently i dont remember where
west silo
And 343 is in charge
And it doesn't really contradict anything aside from the time travel
fair hazel
it's in kinda semi-canon?
west silo
Eh better than non canon
gusty whale
the time travel could be explained in that just because we havent seen it, doesnt mean its impossible
gusty whale
first strike and tfor are weird for me because even though ive read them in the past couple years (first strike twice) it seems like so much happens that i dont notice, like i completely forgot about the whole nova bomb that blew up an entire moon as well as a fleet
west silo
The nova bomb thing happened in ghost of onyx actually
First strike had the uneven elephant
wispy wasp
Was Cortana made before the fall of reach or during it?
wispy wasp
Ok, did she know of chief before the fall of reach too?
gilded mason
Not much
wispy wasp
So in ce it's just a inconsistency when she says miss me to chief like when keyes asks if they made it?
gilded mason
What?
wispy wasp
At the pillar of autumn in ce Cortana asks chief did you miss me when he gets over to the bridge
And at the start of the stage keyes asks Cortana if they made it
I wasn't sure if it was just the lore being different between reach and ce
gilded mason
Well, they did get to know each other for two days beforehand. And Cortana would be playful enough to say that even then
terse lava
They did work together in a test run of the armor and AI together
gilded mason
Keyes was asking about if they managed to slip the Covenant ships chasing them. (They didn't)
versed helm
Are female elites considered cannon or no
wispy wasp
Oh, that makes a lot more sense now. I it was talking about noble 6 (or at least just spartans left behind)
gilded mason
...Yes, there are female Elites.
orchid prism
@gilded mason how thick are they lol?
gilded mason
@orchid prism
They look almost exactly like the men
orchid prism
.....
versed helm
XD you crushed his dreams lol @gilded mason
wispy wasp
You wouldn't have asked if they were
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
He love those nice thick juicy elites lmao
orchid prism
😭
gilded mason
Just go for males, dude. Less issues that way.
orchid prism
Oh
terse lava
I would think the females would have more the "curves" you see of various female races in sci-fi at least
gilded mason
Why's that?
orchid prism
Yes, voluptuous elites
terse lava
Simply due to the typical sexual difference
males usually have more muscles for example
unless you are an angler fish
gilded mason
A fair amount of species have larger females
terse lava
I did say usually
gilded mason
Yeah.
orchid prism
The female angler fish eat the male after mating?
terse lava
no
gilded mason
Nah, the male fuses with the female's body
vague scroll
The praying mantis female eats the male
And male praying mantises are smaller than females
terse lava
....really? that's considered offensve?
orchid prism
Must have confused with others
terse lava
yea, the male angler fish becomes little more then a reproductive juice bank for the female
vague scroll
Dang nature. You scary 😛
terse lava
don't forget female spiders in certain species will eat the males too, sometimes the males let it happen willinly
give her exra protien
orchid prism
Brutal
feral stirrup
anyone else in here dissapointed with infinite?
vague scroll
But yeah I wanted to say, begone the concept of females in non-mammal sci fi species having mammal-like attributes please...
feral stirrup
the first preview look so good then 343 had to drop the ball.
terse lava
I can tolerate some, but yea agreed foe the most part Tide
feral stirrup
but i respect them more now for at least delaying the game
so many lore holes in it
and i'm still one of those stubborn types to still believe that chief is still drifting in space somewhere
vague scroll
What do you mean lore holes?
feral stirrup
the fact that they decided to make the forerunners humans enemies starting with halo 4
vague scroll
So you’re saying that everything after 3 never happened...
feral stirrup
when guilty spark clearly called humans in halo 3 forerunners or decendents of them
cedar surge
We have fought them in 1 2 and 3
feral stirrup
yes
precicely
we never directly fought forerunners. we only fought forerunenr AI's following protocol
vague scroll
He didn’t call humans Forerunners, he equated them to forerunners. He meant metaphorically
cedar surge
That sounds a bit close minded
feral stirrup
in 1 2 and 3
i know what bungie never revealed the full i dentity of forerunners
in their games, and that was specifically for a reason
vague scroll
So?
343i decided to go explore the Forerunners, what’s wrong with that? Nothing lore breaking there
cedar surge
You know why b ungie never revealed the forerunners ? Have you talked with them or have any thing to back it up?
feral stirrup
usually you'd write a part that intentionalyl never resolves it's self and remains as a mystery so taht fans can endlessly interpret it
i'm talking about revealing their faces in 1 2 and 3
they where intended to be a long extinct species
cedar surge
If you make a mystery with no answers people will get bored of it
feral stirrup
and that mystery alone generates interpretational value and makes you want to dig deeper into the world
well god is still a mystery is he not?
yet people never get bored with him
vague scroll
Well I don’t mind a mystery with no answers, you don’t have to like the 343i forerunners but saying that the way things played out is wrong is just an opinion without merit
cedar surge
Your bringing god into this?
feral stirrup
we don't know what god looks like
cedar surge
That's because he is a religious figure
feral stirrup
yes because the idea of god perfectly fits with the foreruners
cedar surge
With stories
feral stirrup
as even the covenant worshiped them as gods
yet never knew exactly what they looked like or who they where
cedar surge
Sure but before 343 have we seen them do heavenly things other than just making the rings?
vague scroll
Talking about religion may be against this discord’s rules, I suggest we walk back from this example
feral stirrup
but only had a glimpse of what they where by what they left behind, hence copying alot of their technology
terse lava
I do sometimes question if the Covenant knew what a forerunner looked like or not
cedar surge
Probably not
vague scroll
How about a more pragmatic comparison. Protheans in Mass Effect
cedar surge
I don't know them
vague scroll
We didn’t know what the Protheans looked like until Mass Effect 2
feral stirrup
protheans wherent the underlying mysterious force like the reapoers though
terse lava
even then they were rectonned
vague scroll
The protheans were the mysterious species in the original game
terse lava
they weren't, no, but they were the "ancient race troupe" filler
feral stirrup
the protheans where supposed to be the species that failed to go against the reapers but left behind a method to defeat them
cedar surge
The forerunners in the bunige era have made the rings,fired them,put life back where they belonged, and left
vague scroll
Isn’t that essentially the Forerunners then?
terse lava
heh, I do wonder in the ME universe if any races actually teched up fast enough to be a real threat to the reapers
vague scroll
Because the forerunners left us a weapon to destroy the Flood
feral stirrup
that is actually the only bit of lore i like from 343's side is the lore of the precursers
vague scroll
The Forerunners as a civilization are dead in Halo, barely any of them survived - they might as count as extinct still
feral stirrup
beings that didn't have a familiar shape but took on all other forms of shapes
that almost reminds me of Jin
cedar surge
Plus are we not technically just fighting one forerunner in 4 and his army before barely ever seeing him again?
feral stirrup
neither good nor evil but can take on various forms
vague scroll
We’re seriously the wrong crowd to be complaining to about what you like and don’t like about lore
cedar surge
Yea this is the lore channel
feral stirrup
wrong crowd? Hmm i dind't know that customers opinons don't count
vague scroll
I mean it’s lore channel, we’re discussing lore
cedar surge
Pretty sure most people here accept the new lore
vague scroll
No, I meant fellow fans that aren’t still upset with the way the series has changed
We’ve moved on since 2013
cedar surge
I think it was art director
terse lava
I am still waiting on my playable sangheili Tide 😛
feral stirrup
they should of fired the art director during halo 4's production lol
vague scroll
No one in high profile staff was “fired”
The writer you’re thinking is Brian Reed
But he left 343i a year after Halo 5
terse lava
eh not all of it was bad....except the covenant look. Never did get used to that
feral stirrup
halo 3 had the best design for elites
cedar surge
I eventually got used to the post war look
feral stirrup
they made them more relatable and playable
vague scroll
Opinion, not fact
cedar surge
Of the insc
terse lava
the halo 3 ones are ok, if it wasn't for that weird hoof/toe combo
feral stirrup
reach had a good mix between halo 1 and 3 elites
i guess the art direction goal of reach was to make them more alien
terse lava
yeah
feral stirrup
as humans didn't know who they really where
cedar surge
We knew them by reach
terse lava
I think he means as characters
cedar surge
Oh
feral stirrup
but as in halo 2 and 3 they made them more dog like
cedar surge
Dog? Where did you get that from?
feral stirrup
or stuffed animal like
terse lava
stuffed animal?
cedar surge
Stuffed animal?
feral stirrup
haha just look at them. you could just pet them
good boy elite good boy
now stay
cedar surge
They look like dinosaurs
terse lava
you know, when it comes to the unggoy....may have a point, but not the sangheili
cedar surge
Engineers sorta
feral stirrup
grunts had some funny lines.
terse lava
yeah ok huragok too
feral stirrup
bungie always had this funny touch
to where you knew humanity was getting genocided
and everything was at stake and humans where on their last legs
but they still managed to pack tons of humor in the game
to remind you that it is simply just a videogame
vague scroll
I like Halo 4’s somber tone though, and Reach kind of under cut that subtle humor that characters like Johnson bring to the table - still there’s a bit of that here and there. Halo 5 tried to make buck the comedy relief, it landed here and there.
feral stirrup
reach was all about a loosing war story
cedar surge
Didn't bungie pretty much ignore most of establish lore for reach
terse lava
their choice
vague scroll
Halo 4 was about being obsolete, growing old, losing your best friend
terse lava
no one said they had to go by the book
cedar surge
What is the meaming of halo 5?
feral stirrup
halo 4's spartan ops lore pissed me off.
orchid prism
I loved the cutscenes in spartan ops
feral stirrup
they turned a epic space battle into a dumb episodic approach of minor drama
palmer was wihtout a doubt the most annoying character
cedar surge
The cutscene where the infinity rams a ship and drops her stridents?
orchid prism
Yeah :)
vague scroll
He means the entire season
feral stirrup
besides
cedar surge
That was a cool scene
terse lava
RIP RCS cruiser
feral stirrup
spartan 4's aren't real Spartans anyway
vague scroll
Spartan Ops was okay, Brian Reed’s baby but probably not my favorite aspect of Halo 4
Spartan IVs are real Spartans
feral stirrup
they act too childish
vague scroll
Got the name and everything
terse lava
and here we go
vague scroll
And here we go indeed
orchid prism
Not trying to diss or anything
feral stirrup
joker face
terse lava
passes Tide popcorn
cedar surge
Sure a lot of Spartan IVs are cocky but they became Spartans because they are exceptional
vague scroll
chews popcorn
feral stirrup
Spartain II's where the real deal
orchid prism
But Spartan 4s acted like kids while 2s (who were kids) acted like men.
cedar surge
They survived the war against the odds and did exceptional things
vague scroll
What makes something the “real deal?”
orchid prism
Not dissing here lol
feral stirrup
how would you like to get kidnapped at 6, get highly indoctronated and only know training and combat from a very early age?
vague scroll
This statement is rather... strange in general
I don’t know, maybe I’ve read Ender’s Game - it sucks being a kid at war
orchid prism
Kind of ironic
cedar surge
So we are supposed to support kidnapping?
vague scroll
Being at war as a child sucks
feral stirrup
then go through excruciating surgical procedures that cripple half of the potential candidates
vague scroll
Don’t need to be kidnapped to be in some real pain
orchid prism
@vague scroll yeah that's depressing
terse lava
I am willing to bet I know what he means. they are the "real deal" as they lack that sterotype sci-fi marine gung ho-bravado
cedar surge
Is this 40k. You don't have to kidnap somebody and turn them into a child soldier anymore
vague scroll
That’s some lame explanation
feral stirrup
i will admit that was the best part about halo 4 was the intro with halsey and the criminally short action sequences of the spartain 2's first getting dspatched to fight against the covenant
cedar surge
The war is over
terse lava
I never said it was good
cedar surge
Oh yea the IVs can get annoying sometimes
terse lava
just a troupe pretty much
cedar surge
But they are still spartans
feral stirrup
IV program was far more ethical though
vague scroll
Sure, I agree that S-IVs are a tonal shift. They change the nature of Spartan hood but it’s the logical endpoint
wispy wasp
If the flood just need to infect by getting access to your spinal column why can't you just make armor that goes around those areas?
cedar surge
Uh
terse lava
because they can pierce armor
feral stirrup
but they aren't real spartains
cedar surge
They don't need your spinal column
vague scroll
Flood can infect you just by inhaling spores @wispy wasp
cedar surge
Just the nervous system
feral stirrup
because hell even when we look at ancient spartains. they where mostly all trained at a extremely young age
vague scroll
“Real” is relative
wispy wasp
Oh, i didn't realize theu could also do that
terse lava
^
cedar surge
@feral stirrup they were not named Spartans because they werr trained at a young age
That's just the way they got them
vague scroll
Spartan-iiis were conscripted orphans from recently destroyed worlds
cedar surge
Spartan IIIs were also "convinced" to become spartans
feral stirrup
the point of a spartain is to train them super young in almost everyway possible
cedar surge
No thats
terse lava
it is not
cedar surge
Not
vague scroll
Pronto-Spartan-IVs like Ilsa Zane we’re subject to nasty augmentation practices that meant they didn’t need armor but they went mad
cedar surge
That's not the point of a spartan
vague scroll
Zane was the only survivor in her test class
feral stirrup
though funny enough spartain 1's that wasn't the case
cedar surge
You mean orion
vague scroll
Exactly why your logic is flawed
feral stirrup
yeah that
orchid prism
A question for Johnson, he was in the spartan 1 program.. so can he wear any mjolnir armor, or are there some limitations?
feral stirrup
it was just power armor
and mech suits
early mjolnir armor pretty muched looked like a power mech
cedar surge
Veterans who survived a brutal 3 decade war against a supior enemy. They are already experienced
feral stirrup
Installation00 has the best videos on lore
cedar surge
He does a lot of lore and theory videos so I recommend halo canon
feral stirrup
the unsc's technology at the time of project orion was very primitive compared to the later variants
vague scroll
@orchid prism no he can’t wear MJOLNIR but he can wear SPI
cedar surge
00 for theory and halo canon for lore
vague scroll
They’re both theory tbh
feral stirrup
i still don't consider 343's rendition to be cannon
fair hazel
there is some speculation though that can be, well some stuff is not presented enough as conjecture
vague scroll
Halo canon does do lore break downs and so does 00
feral stirrup
just as i don't consider Cathleen kenedy's starwars to be cannon either.
fair hazel
for installation 00
cedar surge
You can't change canon
feral stirrup
gotta seperate the gold from the trash
vague scroll
They both cover the stuff but 00 combines most of his content together rather than separating them
terse lava
not how it works bud, 343's stuff is canon
fair hazel
Do I even want to start with this guy...
vague scroll
Well that’s quite rude, calling people and their content trash
cedar surge
You do not control halo or its direction. It is not your choice to decide what is canon or not. 343 additions are canon
cedar surge
Plus 343 helped solved the reach mess
vague scroll
At this point we’re just enjoying the futile ride of trying to argue with him about the lore
feral stirrup
343 needs to hire dudes from id software
cedar surge
What
orchid prism
Oh my
cedar surge
Why
terse lava
different phenotypes, different forerunner rates with different arty styles
feral stirrup
they'll show you how to make a proper game engine and game
vague scroll
...
orchid prism
Ok
feral stirrup
get marty stratton on board
cedar surge
That's like bringing in a guy who does far cry to work on doom
vague scroll
I guess there’s only one way to make video games
feral stirrup
daddy marty will take care of everything.
vague scroll
All other ways are wrong
cedar surge
Not all video games are the same
vague scroll
Halo’s canceled boys pack it up
feral stirrup
again i respect 343's decision to delay the game. That is actually the smartest thing they've done
cedar surge
Smartest?
vague scroll
It’s going to play the exact same as you saw in the gameplay trailer
feral stirrup
now they just need to fire their writing team and get some people that know how to do proper gameplay
vague scroll
You’re setting yourself up for disappointment by claiming that delaying has some grandiose reason to taking place
cedar surge
what?
vague scroll
Can I call him delusional now?
feral stirrup
delaying it is genius is they really take their time. hell look at VALVe and their half life game
vague scroll
I really want to...
orchid prism
M8, this isnt the place for comparison.
feral stirrup
anything can be done if you put your mind to it
vague scroll
I’m calling it a night, I need a break from this weird conversation
cedar surge
Its been 5 years since they made started making this game. They can't just do over everything
feral stirrup
halo infinites original reveal was perfect
cedar surge
Did you know how much of a crunch time he'll CE and halo 2 was?
feral stirrup
yeah bungie pulling off CE and 2 was massive feat of ingenuity
cedar surge
Imagine that but redoing a entire sandbox game being worked on for 5 years while also having to delay the game
Ingenuity? Crunch time is not a good thing
feral stirrup
depends on the situation
cedar surge
Your asking people to re do their entire game that's been worked on for years,fire their writing team for a story you hang even seen yet, and saying that crunch time is a good thing
feral stirrup
infinites last reveal tells me everything i need to know about it's story
it's basically taking off where halo wars 2 ended with the banished.
cedar surge
what?
untold estuary
Hello!
cedar surge
Hi
terse lava
hello
feral stirrup
via the banished storyline
terse lava
it's not doing that
untold estuary
I have a question with the lore and it’s something that’s been bothering me
terse lava
its not on the ark
cedar surge
you can't tell what's going to happen in a story by what,2 minutes of dialogue
feral stirrup
then why are you fighting the banished then?
terse lava
yeah, what is that Lawyer?
cedar surge
We don't know
untold estuary
I just got into halo so i don’t know ANY of the story
terse lava
because the Banished were a group that was scattered across planets
not on a single ship on the ark
versed helm
I suggest reading the fall of reach
untold estuary
But, how does chief go to the bathroom in his suit
gilded mason
Catheter
cedar surge
It has it built in
feral stirrup
so likely cheif is going to have a little faceoff against atriox
terse lava
...think astronauts
cedar surge
No he is not
terse lava
no
cedar surge
Atriox is trapped at the ark
terse lava
Atriox is on the ark
feral stirrup
you know what's gonna be funny
is when i end up being right
as there would be no other point in even fighting the banished if you don't get to face the final enemy and leader of it
untold estuary
Thanks for the answer bros, it’s been bothering me ever since i played halo for the first time
cedar surge
wow you are so smart dude I just envy you
versed helm
How much do you think chief armor weigh
feral stirrup
be it in this game or the next one
vague scroll
It’s going to be funny when they introduce the big bad in the gameplay trailer
Oh wait they already did that
terse lava
you realize that's the point of this new guy right?
he's leader of the Banished on the halo
vague scroll
War Chief Eschameus
cedar surge
The brute we see in the demo is the one we are fighting
terse lava
that way you can kill him, and Atriox himself is just fine
feral stirrup
atriox looks like a more interesting foe, especially how he messed up a fully armored spartain 2
cedar surge
Yes brutes can rip Spartans apart
vague scroll
versed helm
Will we get backstory of war chief Eschameus
cedar surge
Likely
feral stirrup
atriox was way bigger than your average burte though
cedar surge
Nah he looks around the same size
feral stirrup
he was defintiely the dominant chad in the room
i actually really liked halo wars 2 story
too bad it felt unfinished
versed helm
It’ll probably pick up in infinite
feral stirrup
i guess that happens when you get pushed with tight deadlines and scheduling
cedar surge
There is awakening the nightmare and operation spearbreaker as dlc that continue the story
Has there been any thing said about HW2 having tight deadlines?
versed helm
I mean awakening the nightmare was a good dlc
fair hazel
The battle of the ark is a story that will not likely conclude too soon.
And I don’t think so, so that assumption is probably fabrication
feral stirrup
343 should scrap that echo 216 pilot guy though
gilded mason
Why?
feral stirrup
he's incredibly annoying
cedar surge
Brohammer?
gilded mason
He's great
cedar surge
Annoying? For acting like a person?
versed helm
Well they won’t so
fair hazel
Glad they don’t take direct advice from you.
feral stirrup
no he tries too hard
cedar surge
Tries to hard?
feral stirrup
yes
fair hazel
English please?
terse lava
the point of him being annoying is that he's a regular joe
versed helm
How he’s tried of war and just wants to see his family
terse lava
he's acting how pretty much all of us would act in his shoes
feral stirrup
me as a gamer i don't really care for any of that. You are trying to sell me on a story too hard about a character you didn't even bother to build up
versed helm
That why I like him
cedar surge
He is away from his family for who knows how long,told by his Thought to be savoir to go and face down down the banished
fair hazel
“As a gamer”
gilded mason
me as a gamer i don't really care for any of that.
lol
feral stirrup
i don't know who his wife is nor who his family is
so there is no slow build of up that connection inorder for me to have any empathy towards
it was all shoved in way too quick.
terse lava
you are basing this off of a few minutes of a multi hour game
fair hazel
Shoved in.
feral stirrup
also I do indeed have an opinion of my own. So sorry for that.
versed helm
We don’t ether but if you want the E3 trailer I believe from 2018 you can see a video recording of his wife
cedar surge
You also didn't know who Johnson was if you only played the games yet people still love him
By playing the games all you knew about him was that he was a marine
feral stirrup
Johnson was a badass from the begining
he didn't cry or wheep about anything untill halo 3
terse lava
no he wasn't
cedar surge
How does that help
terse lava
just some random marine
feral stirrup
he was a random marine but first impression are everything. Johnson didn't take crap from no covies
terse lava
he was a literal callback on legs to Aliens
fair hazel
So, showing emotion is somehow bad?
versed helm
@cedar surge best bet he was on the infinity when it blow up and got out just in time and was looking for any survivors
feral stirrup
no emotion is good when it's shown later after you build up that character
fair hazel
Like, any type of hurt and pain
cedar surge
Badass isn't a character trait. We don't know what he wanted or who he was.
feral stirrup
after the viewer has built a relationship with that character inorder to be more empathetic
fair hazel
That’s not a straight up rule
feral stirrup
great example is t2.
terse lava
and often fails
fair hazel
Ive already seen enough
cedar surge
No emotion is good? Brohammer is not a Spartan 2 or 3
feral stirrup
literally just a robot but you care more and more about that robot as the story advances
terse lava
why would I care about the robot?
fair hazel
I find myself smiling sometimes at the recording when the child speaks
versed helm
That’s why halo 4 come into play bro
terse lava
I care pretty much nothing for chief, yet loved the character build for the Arbiter
feral stirrup
well terminator is more proper in term since that's what they usually call them
terse lava
because he showed emotion
feral stirrup
anyway point taken i'm not down with bro hammer
versed helm
343 tried to humanize chief
feral stirrup
Shadow GETS IT
cedar surge
Brohammer is not a terminator
feral stirrup
humanizing chief was a big mistake
fair hazel
He was already humanized
vague scroll
Someone forgot that character and emotions go together
fair hazel
343 simply brought him inline
feral stirrup
he was sarcastic in 2 and 3
unique rune
I’d say the bigger mistake was not humanizing him in the games from the beginning.