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#lore-and-universe
round comet
versed helm
5 could have been on par with H2 if they had done the switchy properly
lethal comet
Unpopular opinion here but h4 is my favourite halo
versed helm
but as a man who was lost
and must fight not only for humanity
but for the one who's been with him this whole time
but then she goes nuts and gets giant murder bots
snow void
If the Flood became a scourge on the universe, do you think the remaining Precursors, the ones that supposedly continued with creation; do you think they'd eradicate the Flood, or embrace it? Do you reckon they'd even be that much more powerful than the Gravemind after galaxies have been consumed?
round comet
"remaining" precursors?
versed helm
the primordial was the last one
it could be possible that a few went extra-galactic
but that's highly unlikely
round comet
there are no sources suggesting that there are precursors left.
snow void
From Halo: Primordium, "Those who created us were defied and hunted. Most were extinguished. A few fled beyond your reach. Creation continued."
Did I misunderstand the quote?
round comet
ok i gotta check this out, page number please?
snow void
I'd have to find it, give me a moment
round comet
page number pls
snow void
Well, it said that creation continued. Also, due to the limitations of the free google book, I cannot find the particular page number. I haven't owned the book in a long time, but I was getting the exact quote from the wiki, in regards to quotes from the Primordial.
round comet
ah.
round comet
wait a sec, ill see. i read the forerunner saga like an year ago lol
versed helm
same
snow void
The impression I had was that the Precursors managed to survive and go on their way with their whole godship deal while the Gravemind/Primordial, practically a leftover mangled Precursor, remained and basically only troubles our galaxy unless, or until, it can spread. If the Precursors no longer exist, then it's not just the galaxy that relies on Humanity's ability to hold the mantle(not the Forerunner one, but the Precursor one), it's the whole universe.
versed helm
the mantle of the forerunners and the precursors is the same. the forerunners thought it was theirs
snow void
The Forerunners' mantle is control, the Precursors' mantle is responsibility
versed helm
but they both call it the mantle of responsibility
snow void
The Forerunners never held it, they only militarized the idea
round comet
alright, i read it.
the didact asked him if all the precursors are gone and the primordial basically replied by "yall killed most of us but a few fled away"
and those who fled away as we know turned into dust
versed helm
that became the flood
round comet
yep
snow void
If they turned themselves to dust, then the "continued creation" part makes no sense
versed helm
creation continued means life moved on
round comet
If they turned themselves to dust, then the "continued creation" part makes no sense
the flood was formed, creation has continued.
urghhh i forgot how good the forerunner saga was
snow void
That interpretation seems to be reaching with the words imo
He was talking about the past, he said they'd fled from the Forerunners' reach and that creation continued.
round comet
"creation continued" simply refers to them creating more life which they did by turning into dust
He was talking about the past, he said they'd fled from the Forerunners' reach and that creation continued.
you also have to consider the context.
scroll down a bit
versed helm
idk. it sounds a bit too similar to the "this happened. life moved on" kinda thing
round comet
that is what it is.
snow void
I know the context, but to be sure I did read over it again. I don't believe the context completely suggests that the meaning of "creation continued" was referring to the corruption wrought by the dust.
round comet
so you think there are precursors who werent killed or who didnt turn into that dust
fled away and are hiding?
snow void
I'd assume they'd continued creation in other galaxies.
Though, there is merit to them no longer existing, in Silentium he does finally answer the question he dodged in Primordium, where he proclaims, "We are the last of those who gave you breath and form, millions of years ago. We are the last of those your kind defied and ruthlessly destroyed. We are the last Precursors. And now we are legion."
But then the worry shifts to whether creation is safer in the hands of Humanity, or the Gravemind. Could Humanity successfully take on the mantle, and if they can't, would the universe not be doomed if they were to wipe out the last of the flood?
orchid prism
Remind me again, what is the purpose of Mendicant bias?
snow void
I don't believe he has much of a purpose anymore.
craggy sierra
The mantle’s just a thinly veiled metaphor for space dictatorship and it had worked well for exactly zero species that have chosen to uphold it.
Tbh it would feel a lot more thematically appropriate if humanity ditched the concept of the mantle or made it a shared responsibility across all the races.
Like we’re letting a bunch of dead people dictate the optimal way to run the universe
snow void
Worked well for the Precursors for 200 billion years until the Forerunners decided to ruin it.
craggy sierra
Weren’t the precursors literally like the only race going for most of their time around? Like didn’t they make the forerunners and most other life or something?
snow void
And possibly the stars themselves, cause Idk how they'd exist without stars if they weren't the ones that created them. The way I interpret it is, they created, or came to the universe in some way.
Though you could always go with the idea that the Gravemind's a dirty liar and nothing he says should be believed.
craggy sierra
Yeah the mantle doesn’t exactly scale up well to multiple species. The forerunners weren’t exactly known for being nice to other races under them a lot.
snow void
I also don't believe Humanity could really succeed to the tier the Precursors were at while they held the mantle, without heavy dependence on synthetic modifications, or AI.
craggy sierra
Like I said it’s better off to just forgo the concept altogether. Cortana’s currently acting like a worst case scenario of the end result of pursuing the mantle.
Death robot marshal law
round comet
Weren’t the precursors literally like the only race going for most of their time around? Like didn’t they make the forerunners and most other life or something?
yes.
they are the "creators" or halo's equivalent of gods
Yeah the mantle doesn’t exactly scale up well to multiple species. The forerunners weren’t exactly known for being nice to other races under them a lot.
they tried to enforce peace, but you gotta sprinkle a little bit of hypocrisy here and there.
craggy sierra
space dictators
round comet
pretty much
snow void
I imagine the Forerunners likely greatly misunderstood what the mantle is, they didn't seem to use it for any means the Precursors would've.
snow void
And because they didn't even understand what it was, they stole it wrong.
craggy sierra
I doubt humanity would exactly do well with it either. We’re not exactly paragons of kindness in Halo.
snow void
Especially not the new Humans, as opposed to the ancient.
craggy sierra
We made super soldiers to stop farmers from having independent rights
round comet
"The core tenet of the Forerunners' belief in the Mantle was that the most developed species should hold stewardship over all other life"
craggy sierra
Yeaaaaaaaa that’s a yikes from me chief
round comet
¯_(ツ)_/¯
snow void
Perhaps it's a complete misunderstanding over the meaning of "life", the Precursors likely viewed it as creation, while the Forerunners view it as created.
snow void
To Forerunners, life is what was created. To Precursors, life is what they create.
craggy sierra
Hmmmst’d’ve
snow void
I know they're called The Created, I'm just sayin'
round comet
Perhaps it's a complete misunderstanding over the meaning of "life", the Precursors likely viewed it as creation, while the Forerunners view it as created.
im p sure forerunners were smart enough to understand the difference.
snow void
Then why'd they kill all the Precursors then sit around doing nothing until the Precursors came back and ate them?
craggy sierra
I mean they did lots of stuff. Most of it was just variations of getting increasingly up their own butts.
snow void
It seemed like they viewed the mantle as power, rather than responsibility. I'd say the mantle would likely bring no power in and of itself, only responsibility.
round comet
because to them the mantle meant they are the most advanced species and thus only they have the right to attain the mantle.
snow void
Did they create galaxies full of life? Not counting the reseeding, doesn't count if they didn't actually create.
round comet
someone challenges = kill em
snow void
Meanwhile, Precursors saw challenge as a possible successor to the mantle.
round comet
the Mantle allowed competition and conflict as long as this did not threaten biodiversity in the galaxy
the Forerunners often draconian rule in the name of the Mantle entailed the subjugation of "lesser" species by force to keep them in line and preventing them from threatening Forerunner primacy.
as i said, selfish hypocrites.
Meanwhile, Precursors saw challenge as a possible successor to the mantle.
the precursors didnt even want to give away the mantle to the forerunners, rightfully so.
i believe they wanted to give it to humans although i could be wrong there.
snow void
By challenge I don't mean slaughter, I moreso mean worth.
The Forerunners met challenge/worth with slaughter, while the Precursors met it with open arms. But, perhaps too much so, since ya know... They died, and all.
round comet
eh, they just wanted peace.
craggy sierra
Yeah I feel like between the forerunners being bad, the boogyman tale of Cortana and her pursuit of the mantle, and the fact that humanity is both in equal measure not exactly morale paragons and also trying to become diplomatic with the other races that the universe is probably building towards humanity rejecting the mantle and making galactic responsibility a shared concept.
snow void
Or they were the Flood all along and were just creating another galaxy teeming with life and intelligence, to feed their relentless hunger. 👀
round comet
they have the mantle, they created everything and so they are wise enough to decide who attains it from them. according to them it was humans, the forerunners couldnt accept that.
craggy sierra
Cause lets be real, we’d probably mess it up worse than the forerunners did.
round comet
and so the forerunners killed the precursors
so that humanity doesnt get the mantle
instead, they do.
snow void
To be fair, the Flood are still the continuation of the Precursors and still hold responsibility over creation(the mantle).
Humanity doesn't really have a right to it quite yet.
round comet
in a way, yes.
and current humanity prolly couldnt care less about the mantle lol. they likely dont even know what that is.
snow void
And if Humanity fails, the Flood consume all, and they become something new. As the Gravemind said, the Precursors are an ever-changing species, this is not new to them.
snow void
Well, she seems to want the Forerunner's mantle of UNLIMTED POWWEEHHH
craggy sierra
Tbh the flood have been getting quietly cleaned up in the background of the EU apparently and I think it’s better to stay that way.
snow void
The Flood are still the endgame of Halo's story. Though that means their story will likely never be resolved.
round comet
so wheres the hypocrisy? SHE KILLED LIKE A BILLION PEOPLE BAHAHAHAH
The Flood are still the endgame of Halo's story. Though that means their story will likely never be resolved.
that arc with humanity was ended in halo 3.
no need to bring that up again.
like just, no
snow void
Bet you, 200 years after control over the Forerunner Domain and mantle, she'll be aligned completely with the Gravemind. Kill it all, start fresh.
craggy sierra
Unfortunately the flood also don’t lend themselves well to being an interesting and perpetual threat either since they’re too set in stone. I’m fine with us saying that we killed the flood in H3 and have just been doing galactic cleanup on remnants ever since.
round comet
she has no connection to the gravemind or the flood whatsoever, thats how it has to stay.
snow void
With the overwhelming presence of Flood still in and out of the galaxy, I highly doubt it'd be the end of them. And the Forerunner's belief that they'd return regardless, could be very much warranted.
round comet
please dont bring up the "logic plague" lmao
snow void
I didn't say any of that, by alignment I mean her moral compass.
round comet
With the overwhelming presence of Flood still in and out of the galaxy, I highly doubt it'd be the end of them. And the Forerunner's belief that they'd return regardless, could be very much warranted.
the flood wont ever end. hardly means that they need to be the focus of every halo narrative, especially not infinite.
snow void
I never said that either, I said it's the endgame of Halo's story.
craggy sierra
Don’t they only exist in a handful of forerunner installations?
snow void
The fact that it's the endgame of Halo's story, means it'll likely never happen, because it should be what every game is building up toward.
round comet
ah.
Don’t they only exist in a handful of forerunner installations?
||fortunately unlikely to be on zeta halo||
snow void
@craggy sierra Doesn't seem like the Forerunners were entirely sure about that, otherwise there'd be no reason for the containment facilities in the first place. They were there for Humanity to research the Flood, if they were ever to return. Shows that the Forerunners for some reason believed the Flood likely had outside access.
snow void
And the Flood in containment were specifically protected from the firing of the Halo array, so that Humanity could study them in the future.
craggy sierra
Like I said earlier. We beat the flood in Halo 3 and have just been going around doing cleanup on the freezer units on whatever installations we find.
Like we’ve been there and seen that.
snow void
You could always say it was a false precaution and that the Forerunners were wrong. Though, they were the ones that fought the galaxy-wide war with the Flood.
round comet
apparently the ones on the rings survived (might have to ask chimera about that since im not sure how the hell they survived), but i dont see them existing anywhere else
snow void
I know but my point is, they survived for study, in fear that they'd return despite the firing of the Halo arrays. The whole cause of the outbreaks was because of the fact they'd kept them in containment, nothing beneficial has yet to come from containment.
round comet
because they realised there is no cure.
snow void
Humanity may be completely squandering valuable time and resources by cleaning out containment facilities, given they're there for research and not just as a threat in themselves.
round comet
and then fired the rings like chads
snow void
They realized that ancient Humanity didn't hold any cure. However, the Flood still had weaknesses, and there was research that could be continued.
craggy sierra
On the other hand they could also be ensuring another monitor doesn’t shirk their duties like 2601 did and let another gravemind form out of animal fauna.
versed helm
then the didact used the composer
snow void
It's like if you were to put a bunch of ants in jars for your children to study, then your children accidentally let one out and get bit... So they begin to BURN ALL THE JARS OF ANTS
craggy sierra
It’s not like that at all
snow void
True, it's moreso if the ants were way more dangerous and had a more practical purpose of study other than knowledge for knowledge sake.
craggy sierra
It’s only like that if every individual ant could have the possibility of instigating widespread destruction and the apocalypse.
versed helm
so the forerunners began to keep humans, and stored the ancient humans' geas in the new ones
snow void
That wasn't even a swear
craggy sierra
Like here’s the finale Halo’s building towards if the flood get out: you just fire the Halo rings as a mercy killing because war with the flood is just slow suicide.
versed helm
and then we have bornstellar coming to earth, waking up the didact, and everything going to heck
snow void
It's like your GODS left those ant jars for you, with the incredibly dangerous apocalypse-bringing ants, all over the place. You're just gonna assume it's cause your creators were mean, and go ahead and BURN IT ALL TO THE GROUND? You'd think, somewhere along the line, someone would get a clue.
craggy sierra
No I assume it’s because our creators were idiots.
Very little of how forerunners conducted themselves really contradicts that.
snow void
How dumb of them to give us a bunch of jars of apocalyptic ants. Giant apocalyptic ant army approaching slowly in the background
versed helm
dude. the gods WERE the killer ants here
craggy sierra
Yeah I doubt there’s flood outside the galaxy.
versed helm
we never know, though
snow void
Yeah but the Forerunners clearly didn't share that doubt.
craggy sierra
That was pure speculation on the forerunners behalf.
snow void
It's speculation they based the rest of existence on.
That's universe-ending speculation.
versed helm
if the precursors fled outside the galaxy, we dont really know if all of them turned to magic powder or not
snow void
Leaving just one spore, that's pretty dangerous speculation to go off of.
craggy sierra
And also they gave us no guidance on like what research to even do with the ones they kept on ice and what they did keep still nearly killed us. So there’s our conclusion: kill it before it starts.
snow void
Maybe we're just not as smart as they thought we'd be.
versed helm
but you cant every truly kill it unless you wipe out every bit of it. and we dont exactly know where all it is
craggy sierra
No I think their monitors were probably meant to give us guidance but they all went coo coo for cocoa puffs in 100 millenniums of isolation.
Because just writing something down for people to read instead was apparently too difficult for them.
opal ore
Were the monitors designed to deal with the situation in HCE, 2 and 3? Or were they just left behind?
versed helm
they were designed to take care of the rings
snow void
Also, while it's outdated lore cause of how much 343i expanded the lore, in Halo 3 the Gravemind does say, "Defeat is simply the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved... but you imposed." insisting he was to come back regardless.
round comet
Yeah I doubt there’s flood outside the galaxy.
Yeah but the Forerunners clearly didn't share that doubt.
That was pure speculation on the forerunners behalf.
It's speculation they based the rest of existence on.
i mean, both of you are correct but again because it was speculation we cant say if they are outside the galaxy
and i doubt they are
craggy sierra
i mean, both of you are correct but again because it was speculation we cant say if they are outside the galaxy
My point in that is that the “endgame of Halo” that Lunar says the universe is building towards might not even exist and tbh I still feel like it’s for the better that it doesn’t.
versed helm
i guess we could find that if we somehow get to the greater ark
craggy sierra
Pretty sure the greater ark’s just deleted entirely
round comet
Also, while it's outdated lore cause of how much 343i expanded the lore, in Halo 3 the Gravemind does say, "Defeat is simply the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved... but you imposed." insisting he was to come back regardless.
he is the collective consciousness of the primordial and all other graveminds. he IS the timeless one, the god.
he has a goal and he will want to achieve it.
i guess we could find that if we somehow get to the greater ark
destroyed by precursor starroads
¯_(ツ)_/¯
versed helm
the greater ark isnt deleted
snow void
I mean, in a way I suppose it's a double-ended sword. If they didn't leave any for study, what if the Flood did come back from outside the galaxy? Humanity would lack any contained specimens for study, which could lead to Humanity's failure, and all their effort would've been wasted. On the other hand, if the Flood weren't going to be able to come back, then the containment facilities now make it possible for all their efforts to be rendered useless by containment breaches.
round comet
it was destroyed, pacino.
versed helm
10 of the 12 super halos were, but the boss halo wasn't
craggy sierra
It was turbo deleted from what I gather
versed helm
aw mannnnn
craggy sierra
I still just think of rainbow road from Mario Kart when people say that
round comet
My point in that is that the “endgame of Halo” that Lunar says the universe is building towards might not even exist and tbh I still feel like it’s for the better that it doesn’t.
fair. i think i agree, we should move on.
versed helm
aw mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn
snow void
@craggy sierra You'd rather see the Flood come back and end up getting defeated? I don't understand your purpose for not wanting the endgame to be the Flood, because that means it'll never happen. If you don't want it to happen, then it's a win/win.
versed helm
we still havent seen how the created affect all this
craggy sierra
I feel like it’s not lore friendly to win all out war on the flood.
snow void
It'd be some millions of years into the future...
craggy sierra
And I prefer my sci-fi universes to be...alive.
snow void
It would never happen in any Halo game, because the "endgame" of the Flood is so far away.
versed helm
wasnt maethrillian also rekt?
versed helm
.......so
round comet
ofc it was damaged during the war here and there but it still exists.
versed helm
the super ark and the super halos got rekt in the firing
but the thing that they fired on is still there
craggy sierra
Anyways back on the monitor thing. I feel like the forerunners would’ve probably had their own research in progress that they would’ve wanted us to continue. I doubt they would’ve left behind a bunch of flood just to be like “maybe these guys can figure out what to do with this.”
It’s just that, as I said earlier, they’re kinda all gone crazy.
snow void
(Started typing this before the convo changed)Point being, because it'd be the endgame of Halo's story, that all out war will never happen. And when it does, which it won't, but in lore there would be a given time in the far distant future where Humanity will have an all out war with the Flood, Humanity would be so much more advanced and properly stand a chance.
round comet
yes pacino, it still exists.
in fact the iso didact actually returned to it after the array was fired, in order to store the domain there.
versed helm
i dont remember that part from the books. heck.
but wont the final war be dependent on what happens right now?
versed helm
like, what will the created do?
versed helm
cause, last we saw, cortana finds 09 and anders
snow void
Maybe the Domain will kick 'em out.
Get grumpy from all the chatter, Cortana basically invited over a party after she was let into her new crib.
round comet
i know what cortana's main objective is. but im clueless about her plans and how she hopes to achive that objective.
versed helm
she wants the created to have the mantle, right?
round comet
although in halo 5 she says "im giving people a chance to be more than they are naturally"
snow void
Sounds a lot like what the Gravemind was telling her 
/s
round comet
that screams "imma compose everyone" to me
versed helm
so, she kinda got logic plagued in H3
snow void
It's a small thing, but 343i created Halo Legends, and at the end of Halo Legends, the symbol from Mendicant Bias' shell flashes red in Cortana's eye at the end of the.. Movie?
versed helm
logic plague it is
round comet
so, she kinda got logic plagued in H3
u are wrong
versed helm
that actually explains a lot
round comet
i hope thats sarcasm
snow void
I mean, doesn't have to mean logic plague.
versed helm
think about it
round comet
i have.
versed helm
both her and the gravemind pretty similar goals
round comet
and the logic plague theory is a 100% incorrect.
snow void
Fragmentation, or improperly cured rampancy could also answer the same questions.
versed helm
that is absorpstion
round comet
both her and the gravemind pretty similar goals
gravemind wants to turn evrything into flood.
cortana is enforcing peace
difference.
snow void
To be fair, the Gravemind calls it peace as well.
versed helm
think about it. wont there be peace if only a single entity is there?
round comet
and thats not even how i think logic plague is wrong
think about it. wont there be peace if only a single entity is there?
and does cortana want that?
srry do you know exactly what logic plague is?
snow void
I do believe that the Gravemind has heavily impacted Cortana, and the logic plague can take time to kick in. But, I don't believe it was entirely successful, at least not enough for her to side with the Gravemind or Flood. More of a subconscious thing.
round comet
wait lemme copy paste
versed helm
medicant was fully affected cause what it did was to help the flood, right
cortana wants control
snow void
I know, but she's had similar ideals as the Gravemind ever since Halo 3. And a lot of the stuff she kept telling you she "had" done, have been coming true since Halo 3.
round comet
The Logic Plague is pretty much just a series of logical arguments in favor of the Flood. It's basically an advanced form of manipulation, made possible through the combined intelligence of all living Flood. It's not even an AI-exclusive thing, the Ur-Didact fell victim to Logic Plague as well. And the goal wasn't always to completely convert its victims, but rather to get them to act in a certain way or do a specific thing.
cortana after her time with the gravemind cannot have the logic plague because the first thing she did after being rescued is HARM the flood, which directly opposes the idea of the logic plague which is to HELP the flood in their motives.
We saw what Cortana went through at the hands of the Gravemind first hand, and it certainly effected her. Aside from the usual arguments, he tortured her, made her experience pain, made her relive the memories of Flood victims. His goal was never to turn her to his side, it was merely to get her to break and reveal what she had been hiding. You're completely right in saying that she didn't get away completely free, but the effects of her time with the Gravemind likely merely advanced her rampancy (which was, in fact, the Gravemind's goal, he was planning to take advantage of her matrix's shortcomings and overload her with extreme amounts of data to onset rampancy). Her experiences would manifest in the form of PTSD, not infection. In a way, her every action following Halo 3 is a result of her time with the gravemind, but only in the sense that it helped to onset her Rampancy.
snow void
That's why I'm not calling it the logic plague.
craggy sierra
I’m gonna copy paste that everytime someone says logic plague for Cortana
versed helm
aye
round comet
their motives are same when you boil it down, but yeah no she has no connection to the flood.
I’m gonna copy paste that everytime someone says logic plague for Cortana
feel free to do that. and maybe type it in all caps.
snow void
The logic plague doesn't have to work immediately, while she doesn't currently have it, a long time into the future, if she were offered the same deal, to join the Gravemind, she might hold the beliefs required for her to accept him. But, I doubt Halo Infinite's gonna have a massive time leap and I doubt Cortana's going to remain in her current state of mind long enough for that.
round comet
and i doubt that she'll ever team up with the flood to turn everyone into flood ¯_(ツ)_/¯
snow void
Give her a few hundred years and that could change, just look at how much changed in the time given.
Though I prefer the idea of fragmentation, personally.
round comet
right, i doubt we'll ever reach that point though lol. even if its possible
snow void
That's why I don't think it'll ever come to fruition.
snow void
I mean, the Domain was meant to fix her rampancy, but it may have only halted it.
round comet
oh no the domain cured it and now she's metastable yayayayayay
"While a metastable AI can be considered to be the holy grail of cybernetics research, the only AIs who have possibly achieved metastability are 032 Mendicant Bias, Cortana and Juliana."
wait whos's juliana
snow void
It doesn't mean she is metastable.
And there's no reason to believe the Domain can reverse time.
round comet
it literally states she is like MB there so
oh and juliana is apparently a UNSC smart AI from cole protocol
snow void
Where is Cortana supposedly confirmed to be metastable?
round comet
and i never read cole protocol
Where is Cortana supposedly confirmed to be metastable?
its definitely possible that she is, like MB.
and i saw that on the halopedia page for "rampancy"
fourth stage
snow void
That doesn't say she is, it says possible. It also still just says possible for Mendicant Bias.
That possibility is based off of interpretation.
snow void
You can believe any AI is metastable.
versed helm
but, would cortana still be considered rampant?
round comet
no, this case is different.
versed helm
i mean, she's part of the domain now
snow void
Cortana doesn't act as her normal self and she still displays signs of rampancy, I don't believe she's metastable.
round comet
she doesnt show signs of rampancy what lol
and 343 have already confirmed that she's not rampant
snow void
She literally wants to conquer the galaxy, that's a big part of rampancy.
round comet
what
snow void
She's not rampant anymore, but that doesn't mean that rampancy hasn't taken a toll.
snow void
Yes, because it's longing for godlike power. And stop citing me the wiki, I already know it.
snow void
I did, and it's nothing new. My point still stands.
round comet
Yes, because it's longing for godlike power. And stop citing me the wiki, I already know it.
she doesnt want to have godlike power her goal is to enforce peace.
i thought that was already established.
snow void
She wants to enforce peace WITH GODLIKE POWER
round comet
oh?
and whats that godlike power?
and where does it say that she wants godlike power?
snow void
The mantle, all the powers that came with it. Where do you think the guardians came from?
round comet
the mantle doesnt guve you power
the mantle is an idealogy.
"one species to protect them all"
snow void
I'm talking about the Forerunner mantle. She is considered to be holding it, she has full access to the Domain and the Guardians as well as Warden Eternal.
round comet
even if the mantle didnt exist her goal would be the same
I'm talking about the Forerunner mantle. She is considered to be holding it, she has full access to the Domain and the Guardians as well as Warden Eternal.
and thats godlike power?
snow void
Yes, the ability to control the entire galaxy is godlike power.
round comet
no, godlike power is being a precursor.
snow void
No, that's god power.
round comet
and thats what "godlike" means.
versed helm
and the guardians are super sized space police
snow void
God like, is similar to god power.
round comet
so apparently her enforcing peace is a part of rampancy?
snow void
Similar can include lesser than.
round comet
when 343 have already stated that she is not rampant?
snow void
I haven't seen her enforce any peace as of yet.
snow void
And there's an all out war in Infinite.
snow void
That's not the idea, she wanted to force people to accept her terms.
round comet
we still dont know what happens in infinite or the time we missed
That's not the idea, she wanted to force people to accept her terms.
yes and that is not a result of rampancy.
snow void
It's not a result of rampancy that she suddenly has a longing to force all other life onto the ground?
round comet
her rampancy has legit been curd, confirmed by 343
versed helm
wait its only anders
round comet
It's not a result of rampancy that she suddenly has a longing to force all other life onto the ground?
no it is not a result of rampancy that she wants to enforce peace like the forerunners wanted.
her rampancy has legit been cured, confirmed by 343
snow void
All I have to say, each time you say her rampancy is cured: https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Rampancy
versed helm
im pretty sure cortana is now more forerunner than human, since she got into the domain
round comet
each time you say her rampancy isnt cured https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/locations/genesis
snow void
I never said it isn't cured.
round comet
they literally confiremd it is lol
snow void
I even outright said it's cured.
versed helm
so while she is showing signs of rampancy, she cant exactly be called rampant
round comet
I even outright said it's cured.
yeha so whatever she is doing is not a result of standard rampancy.
snow void
I said she still displays the impact of rampancy.
round comet
so while she is showing signs of rampancy, she cant exactly be called rampant
trying to enforce peace is not a sign of ramoancy.
snow void
The impact is what caused change in her as an entity. This cannot be undone without the Domain having time-related powers.
round comet
"There, she discovered that not only was the Domain slowly repairing itself, but her own rampancy (a smart AIs’ mandated mortality) was effectively cured while in the Domain, seemingly making her immortal."
halo waypoint.
snow void
Once again, I never said she wasn't cured.
Spamming with that to ignore the argument, doesn't help.
I read it way back when it first happened.
round comet
and whatever she is doing is also not a sign of rampancy.
round comet
which was not the case in halo 5.
snow void
It's a consequence of her past rampancy and the past influence of the Gravemind.
round comet
enforcing peace =/= sign of rampancy
wanting godlike pwer? maybe but that aint her goal.
snow void
Once again, it's not a sign of rampancy, however, her want to force things upon an entire galaxy, is a sign that it has taken it's toll.
round comet
Once again, it's not a sign of rampancy, however, her want to force things upon an entire galaxy, is a sign that it has taken it's toll.
so her wanting to enforce peace is an indirect result of rampancy taking its toll and giing her the idea? sure, you shouldve stated it that way then.
because then id agree.
snow void
I cannot recall any time when Halsey wanted to force an entire population into subjection, and I wouldn't even say the Gravemind wants that either.
I kinda did start with that, from the start I've been saying she's not rampant, just affected by being rampant in the past.
slow igloo
Just watched Halo Legends Origin I&II and I gotta say, what shes doing now makes sense. In part II she talks about how she wishes to basically end all wars. Enforcing peace. Wondering if John will ever not be a warrior. I know this take places right after H3 or even if its considered canon. But it made me view it from a different perspective.
versed helm
wait wait. the logic plague basically converts people to help the gravemind. and the gravemind says its goal is to "achieve peace" by being the only entity in the galaxy. cortana, while being harassed by the gravemind, gets a heck load of info, which accelerates her rampancy. but, because she hadn't been under its influence as long as medicant had been, she didn't get logic plagued completely. and because of that, her actual objectives, which were to kill the flood, and the logic plague, which is to help the gravemind achieve peace, began to conflict. the official objectives won over the "help the gravemind" part, due to the incomplete transmission of the logic plague. but she had been affected by the "to achieve peace" part. so, that explains why she helped kill the flood.
snow void
Also I have a huge conspiracy regarding the Gravemind, and a lot of the depictions 343i made in Halo Legends, as well as a lot of the stuff she's said in Halo 3, then done in Halo 4/5, but it'd take way too long to explain here, and I had an entire folder on my desktop dedicated to it at one point.
round comet
id want to see that
snow void
And no, it's not "Logic Plague hahah Cortana consume galaxy with Flood, brrrr"
round comet
wait wait. the logic plague basically converts people to help the gravemind. and the gravemind says its goal is to "achieve peace" by being the only entity in the galaxy. cortana, while being harassed by the gravemind, gets a heck load of info, which accelerates her rampancy. but, because she hadn't been under its influence as long as medicant had been, she didn't get logic plagued completely. and because of that, her actual objectives, which were to kill the flood, and the logic plague, which is to help the gravemind achieve peace, began to conflict. the official objectives won over the "help the gravemind" part, due to the incomplete transmission of the logic plague. but she had been affected by the "to achieve peace" part. so, that explains why she helped kill the flood.
once again, the logic plague makes them want to assist the flood.
killing em is the opposite of that.
And no, it's not "Logic Plague hahah Cortana consume galaxy with Flood, brrrr"
im glad
Just watched Halo Legends Origin I&II and I gotta say, what shes doing now makes sense. In part II she talks about how she wishes to basically end all wars. Enforcing peace. Wondering if John will ever not be a warrior. I know this take places right after H3 or even if its considered canon. But it made me view it from a different perspective.
it is canon.
versed helm
im not saying its the brrrr thing
see, the gravemind was unable to convince her
but, it did affect her
the accelerated rampancy
versed helm
you did
round comet
¯_(ツ)_/¯
versed helm
I think her "cure" for rampancy is just essentially immortality
Because her mindset and functionality towards the end of Halo 4 and all she's been through wouldn't suddenly convert her already corrupted mindset back to time when she could be considered 'sane'
Also the logic plague installs the Floods ideals knowingly or unknowingly. her trying to kill them can still be part of their plan
what im saying is that, even though the gravemind's arguement was incomplete, it still managed to change her official objectives
^
round comet
what im saying is that, even though the gravemind's arguement was incomplete, it still managed to change her official objectives
yeah no accelerating rampancy didnt change her motives, her motives wouldve been the same even if the rampancy wasnt onset that fast.
although she did gain a lot of info.
snow void
I can give you the gist of it, but it sounds far fetched without me citing a ton of stuff. Basically, we know that the Gravemind's primary goal at one point was to access the Domain, however he had no way of locating it. In Halo 3, Cortana says a lot of things are going to happen in the future, and she says a lot of things have happened, many of which have come true, and some of which appear to be coming true. The Gravemind had the chance to obliterate Earth, but he didn't take it, showing that he still values Humanity as a potential follow-up to the mantle. The Gravemind in Legends is depicted handing Cortana back to Chief, and Chief leaves over the ring exploding over the Ark afterwards, a different depiction of how it actually went in Halo 3, citing this cause the next would make no sense without it, I believe the Gravemind wanted Chief to get Cortana back. I believe the Gravemind willingly lost this fight, for a chance to find the Domain the next time he comes back, and he somehow knew that Cortana would find it, and through him Cortana somehow knew a lot of details about the future. DM's for more.
round comet
he cant really see the future so idk about that
versed helm
well, cortana had accessed a halo ring's core.
round comet
although it does make sense, if he really wants the domain so bad.
snow void
We don't entirely know that. He can at least feel the affects of the Halo array in the past, present, and future before the Forerunners could. And Cortana's knowledge of the future is still a mystery.
round comet
although it does make sense, if he really wants the domain that bad.
snow void
Could also just have amazing foresight, he is the smartest creature to ever exist afterall.
snow void
I'm curious how the domain would change him though. And I wonder if he's the reason Cortana was accepted into the Domain, his species did create it afterall.
round comet
but if he knows so much wont he know where the domain is.
versed helm
but since cortana is hellbent on peace, wont she attack the gravemind?
like
she does hate it
round comet
not really, no.
versed helm
so how would purposefully releasing her help him get the domain
round comet
uh
snow void
Honestly, I do wonder why he doesn't know the location of the Domain. Something must've happened at some point that made it impossible for him to know, it must've moved or something.
The Gravemind may not view the Guardians as a threat, or many of the other remnants of the Forerunners, at that.
versed helm
especially if he already had control of a few rings, wont he be able to access the domain via the monitors?
round comet
i mean, if he somehow knew that cortana would find it he must have known everything that happened in halo 4 and how the didact will be let out and most of all, he'd know about genesis.
and how the domain is practically useless to him.
snow void
That also plays into my theory, because he caused every event in Halo 4.
round comet
eh
snow void
He drove the didact insane to begin with.
He returned the didact to the Forerunners like that.
round comet
hardly means that what happens in halo 4 was his doing.
indirectly yeah, he affected the didact all those years ago.
snow void
True, though it's an odd coincidence how Chief just happened to float to the exact location the didact was being kept, after the explosion over the Ark.
round comet
a lot of things in halo can be boiled down to coincidence
snow void
That's fair.
Could've alternatively been indirect or even direct influence from the Gravemind, setting up the perfect chain reaction.
Even his arrival on the Ark, forcing the ring to be prematurely fired. The only thing is, a lot of the events likely couldn't have been predicted, such as Chief's separation at the end of Halo 3.
round comet
yeah ¯_(ツ)_/¯
snow void
Unless Mendicant Bias wasn't actually helping Chief all that time on the Ark.
snow void
That is true, as do the events of any game.
snow void
Mendicant Bias is present on the Ark, he communicates via the terminals.
He did claim atonement though.
snow void
Maybe the atonement Mendicant speaks of, is a misunderstanding on our behalf. He did fail the Gravemind, afterall. What better atonement than to help him find the Domain? Doubtful though, that's going further than my theory, I don't like to think of Mendicant still being a bad guy.
I really should compile all of this into a lengthy and detailed video, minus the Mendicant Bias part.
snow void
Yeah, and a lot of people think we'll see him in Infinite, but Idk.
snow void
Screw it, I'm gonna do it. No better idea for a video at the moment anyways, and I've been meaning to put it into a more understandable form.
There should be Flood on every Halo, including Zeta.
versed helm
there has been flood on 04
07
the ark
03
im pretty sure its already on the others too
but the surprising thing is
if it really is on all the halos
why hasnt it been able to access the domain
snow void
It's not that it's spreading, it's moreso just how common containment facilities were.
It likely can't access it through the Halo array.
versed helm
but arent the monitors connected to the domain?
snow void
Perhaps not.
versed helm
hmm
if it has control over one ring
dont the rings have maps and stuff
like, why hasnt the gravemind used a ring to get to maethrillian
snow void
The Forerunners expected the Flood to return, there's no reason to think they wouldn't have set precautions beyond containment facilities.
versed helm
hmm, true that
snow void
A lot of stuff suggests that the Forerunners lost proper connection with the Domain sometime around the end of the Forerunner-Flood war. Cortana was only able to find, basically cached info from the Domain when trying to access it on installations in the past. 343 Guilty Spark was denied access to the Domain any time he tried to gain access, and it's known that the Domain's physical form had been heavily damaged, if not completely obliterated during the firing of the Halo array, due to it being of Precursor design.
versed helm
and im betting iso cut off zeta's access to the domain
snow void
If there was access to be cut off.
versed helm
but if medicant does get re-activated, wont he be able to direct the ring to maethrillian
snow void
I don't believe the Maethrillian functionally exists anymore, if in any form other than rubble.
versed helm
but it still does house the domian
or what remains of it
cortana got access to it from genisis
snow void
Nothing "houses" the Domain, it's existence is beyond the physical realm, it's only accessed.
Which is the issue.
versed helm
so, the known access points to the domain, as of now
are genisis
and maethrillian, (maybe, depending on the state of the access point)
wont requiem also have an access point
and onyx?
snow void
Perhaps only if the Domain chooses so.
Part of my theory is that the Domain only accepted Cortana because it knew she had some connection with the Gravemind(it's creator race) at some point
versed helm
i'll be honest, im still kinda confused about what exactly the domain is
and then there's this thing called the medium
snow void
If the Gravemind entered the Domain though, that'd be no bueno for us, it'd be like consuming several galaxies worth of life forms. After consuming as much as he did in the Forerunner-Flood war, he began to corrupt the very fabric of spacetime itself. Imagine how much power the Domain would give him, it's knowledge predates the universe.
And furthermore it would likely be on his side.
versed helm
so, the domain is a...sentient...dimension?
snow void
Yes, but, it's also quite confusing. It's basically Precursor Tech in a nutshell.
orchid prism
Are precursors technically Gods?
orchid prism
I see
snow void
And the Forerunners shot 'em
snow void
Forerunners were jealous that the Precursors favored ancient Humanity.
versed helm
so they stuck it to them
snow void
And they died an extremely slow and agonizing death. (The Forerunners)
orchid prism
Wow..... all this because of jealousy....
versed helm
yup
snow void
Really could've been avoiding, but now you see why they didn't favor the Forerunners.
lethal comet
Really could've been avoiding, but now you see why they didn't favor the Forerunners.
@snow void no
versed helm
they were too proud
orchid prism
I see
lethal comet
The precursors were going to exterminate forerunners
snow void
No, they did exterminate the Forerunners.
versed helm
the forerunners almost got them
but then the precursors struck back
and did rek them
hmmm
snow void
They didn't even need any weapons for it either.
versed helm
i wonder if any other forerunner was also sent into exile like the didact
orchid prism
@versed helm not the librarian?
snow void
Also people like to say that the Flood wouldn't stand a chance in Warhammer 40k or a lot of other high scaling universes. I'd like to point out, the Forerunners were detonating stars to nuke entire solar systems, trying to stop the Flood. A thousand other plans tried and failed, it took the nuking of an entire galaxy just to slow them.
Though I agree the UNSC or Covenant wouldn't hold up well against a high scaling universe like Warhammer 40k, but the Flood scale up to their foes.
orchid prism
So then in terms of unstoppable alien infestations/virus/spores ( you know what i mean lol ) etc. The Flood is number 1.
Necromorphs cant compare to flood
The termites cant
versed helm
termites are from?
versed helm
kekek
versed helm
is warhammer zombies?
snow void
There's a certain thing in Star Wars lore, it's got a weird name, it's technically not biological, but it replaces materials with itself. Though, if the Flood were placed in a galaxy, and those on the other end, the Flood would grow so much faster, the Gravemind would be born, and no doubt have a solution to deal with sentient slime stuffs.
orchid prism
Something from Warhammer yeah
lethal comet
ogres iirc
lethal comet
i am starting on mass effect
orchid prism
Mass effect is good
versed helm
it is
orchid prism
Ngl, i thought the Necromorphs were at least comparable
But yeah i can understand why the flood is way terrifying
snow void
I hope the next Mass Effect starts a new Reaper-focused story. I always felt like it'd make sense for the Reapers to be cycling between galaxies during the 50,000 year span between extinctions, and that they'd have a much larger force outside of what we see in ME3.
Also the Andromeda galaxy shows signs of past extinct intelligent life, as well as signs that the current inhabitants aren't much older than 50,000 years.
And that's the last I mention of Mass Effect cause Halo lore/universe channel, it's prolly thin ice.
orchid prism
Tell me if you know this one guys... 'We'll bang, okay?'
snow void
Of course
orchid prism
😏
orchid prism
It's what Commander Shepard says.
snow void
Nobody:
Literally Nobody:
Guilty Spark after seeing Chief's suit, Humanity's greatest creation: "Ur suit bad"
orchid prism
🤣
lethal comet
Remember how he randomly says I am a genius
and oh hello there
like he has dementia
orchid prism
@lethal comet this lol
lethal comet
when chief saw spark's laser in h3
he must have been like you had that all along didnt you
in the library
versed helm
oh yeah
round comet
versed helm
when we have to get the key
and spark keeps going away
that was legit the most annoying mission ever
lethal comet
I can imagine Chief's face after the realization that spark had a laser
orchid prism
-_-
lethal comet
The library would have been a lot easier in ce
orchid prism
Yeah
lethal comet
btw do we ever see 049 Abject Testament after the cea terminal
Like where was he during the battle of installation 03 and the next 72 hours
versed helm
he was flooded, wasnt he?
carmine sleet
We don't know
orchid prism
Wasn't he....... hibernating, correct me if im wrong.
lethal comet
he wa flodded, wasnt he?
@versed helm that was penitent tangent
versed helm
ahh
orchid prism
Oh ok nvm
snow void
I can imagine Chief's face after the realization that spark had a laser
So here's the deal, I originally read that as "Craig's face" and decided to make this real quick. https://i.imgur.com/6a87lNc.png
orchid prism
You just won the internet lol
lethal comet
snow void
The long awaited reveal
orchid prism
Indeed
snow void
It's reality
versed helm
the end of halo infinite revealed
snow void
If only Cortana knew...
lethal comet
Morgan freeman's voice Indeed
versed helm
somebody do the astronaut meme with this
lethal comet
brb
versed helm
"wait, it was craig this whole time?"
"always has been"
snow void
Have another chief standing behind with a gun, "Wait, it's just Craig?" "Always has been."
orchid prism
Wait, that's Craiglegal.
versed helm
we dont actually see chief's face in CE, though, right?
orchid prism
Yeah just another helmet lol
snow void
I just covered up the 2nd helmet with Craig's face :p
lethal comet
In h2 if you look at him putting on his helmet from an out of body cam
theres a helmet underneath the helmet
snow void
Unrelated, but another one I haven't shown many people. https://i.imgur.com/pHvEaVq.jpg
orchid prism
Oh my God....
carmine sleet
Is that pizza?
orchid prism
It's all Craigs 🤣
snow void
Pizza AR
versed helm
pizza 117
snow void
Though I hope we don't get another pizza AR
orchid prism
How am i seeing Craigs on those slices???
carmine sleet
I feel like at this point it needs to return as a skin after all the pizza sent to 343i back when MCC PC was announced
snow void
I just hate the overly silly skins tbh
orchid prism
I think i contracted the Craig Virus, guess that's why where ever i look all i see is Craig :/
versed helm
you got the logic craig
orchid prism
Covid got nothing on Craig
orchid prism
Ok stop lol
versed helm
the craigs
snow void
I eventually wanna see a character we're close with, get killed, by being infected by the flood, and we have to kill them when they're a combat form, in a sorta boss fight. If it's someone from the UNSC, maybe to reclaim dog tags, or... The Arbiter, maybe to reclaim Prophet's Bane for the SoS. Idk, something. Imagine Chief ;-;
orchid prism
Chief's gonna have a guilt trip for the rest of his life. Sad....
versed helm
he already has a guilt trip for cortana
he thought he'd lost her
but guess what
not only is she back, she's taking over the known galaxy
snow void
I mean imagine having to kill an infested combat form Master Chief, as another character, and having to reclaim his dog tags. Would be scarring.
orchid prism
That isn't the Cortana Chief knows, so he wouldn't feel it that way.
lethal comet
low quality cos i made it in class
versed helm
IT IS DONE
orchid prism
@lethal comet props to you my lord and saviour Craig
versed helm
move over cats, craig is now the internet
snow void
I was thinking moreso, another Master Chief with his helmet on behind Master Chief, with a Magnum. :p
lethal comet
will add cortana and keyes later
orchid prism
@snow void would it end like Keyes, cuz if it does.... onions.
orchid prism
@lethal comet brohammer
orchid prism
Okay Craig
orchid prism
Wow this server sure did turn into a memeverse.
versed helm
always has been
inner basin
Halo Cinematic Memeverse
orchid prism
@inner basin ah yus xD
versed helm
there is a crunch at 343 guy...
orchid prism
Wdym
versed helm
iterate
guys we need arby back in halo infinite right guys?
yes we do
im betting he's being held prisoner on 07
carmine sleet
Arbiter is more than likely still on Sanghelios, I doubt he's on the ring
round comet
guys we need arby back in halo infinite right guys?
no.
versed helm
not if the banished attacked sanghelios and took him prisoner and are storing him on the ring since that will be a better prison than a ship
carmine sleet
Why would they attack Sanghelios?
round comet
not if the banished attacked sanghelios and took him prisoner and are storing him on the ring since that will be a better prison than a ship
"banished attacked sanghelios"
"storing him on the ring"
yeah uh, no
carmine sleet
They might pull off a raid or two to steal ships and supplies so they can keep building up their own forces but they wouldn't go after Arbiter and take him prisoner
round comet
^^
terse lava
While I would like to have him in infinite, that would be a poor way of doing it
orchid prism
Arby deserves some love
carmine sleet
If Arbiter is to be in the game, I'd rather he be introduced as having crashed while chasing someone to the ring and we help him out as he leaves his ship
terse lava
Much better
round comet
much better.
versed helm
ok that is much better
round comet
there wont be a canon co-op.
lethal comet
chief clones would look a little odd in an open world
inner basin
I think it'd be cool if Infinite allowed co-op players to use their MP Spartans and in cutscenes it shows the extra Spartans just chilling so it could technically be headcanon for those playing
It likely won't happen, but maybe 343 will surprise me
versed helm
im pretty sure co-op would be chief and brohammer
carmine sleet
I'm holding out hope for Blue Team in co-op
versed helm
if the game follows the demo, then i dont think so. but it could be that we find blue team on the ring, and then we can change the co-op character
like, chief would be fixed
lethal comet
imagine craig in coop
carmine sleet
Blue Team could be handled similar to Arbiter in Halo 3 where in solo, they show up at points but in co-op, they're with you all the time
ashen storm
versed helm
uhhh ye
inner basin
I hope so
lethal comet
Craig is the best coop partner
versed helm
last i know, she found anders on 09 at the end of HW2
and then there's the trailer which shows chief walking to 07's console, and cortana talking
versed helm
not zeta
that was 09
07 breaks WAAAAY earlier
when it was a super halo
and did a thread and needle with a planet
orchid prism
@inner basin yeah about those cutscenes, i cant wait to see a dead chief or partner in them btw lol
inner basin
@versed helm Technically I-07 could be the Halo during H5's legendary cutscene, but I'm inclined to agree with your initial thoughts
versed helm
hmmmm
say, wont she be able to access the rings through the domain?
cause that's kinda how the domain works, right
you need to have certain knowledge of stuff to get more of the stuff
and cortana has been in a ring
that could kinda explain how we see her on 07
orchid prism
Judging from Cortana's tone in the Infinite reveal trailer, is she gonna be evil or neutral this time?
humble yacht
we'll see
carmine sleet
I'd say more than likely will be an antagonist but maybe not one that's focused on too much early on in the story
round comet
call her the "antagonist", "evil villain" is not the right term
orchid prism
@round comet understandable
round comet
i edited it lol thats what i meant
orchid prism
@round comet i get it m8
orchid prism
Man the gen-discuss went off board......
I feel i can take a break over the insanity over there
round comet
¯_(ツ)_/¯
orchid prism
One question, can mods or admins shut down a server?
orchid prism
Oh
versed helm
Yee yee
orchid prism
@versed helm 👍
versed helm
it all depends on what happened in the war
Has there been any more info on the Halo show that was supposed to be coming out ?
round comet
nope
we know main characters and uh cast and the number of episodes.
but thats it.
carmine sleet
Given everything going on right now, I wouldn't expect much info about the show any time soon
round comet
||its gonna be bad||
versed helm
Dang. I hope it doesn’t get put through development hell like it was for a long time
round comet
heh did it even start production
humble yacht
Yes
versed helm
And the actor who’s supposed to be playing chief took a pic with Steve Downes
Or sum like that
Might have been someone else
versed helm
Why’s that?
sharp adder
I love how even after the death of the H3 gravemind its plan is unfolding
round comet
what.
sharp adder
Dubbo the marine who has been in all halo ce to 5 he's the marine who escorts leads you to keys in the first missions
He was on the ark and made it back when the unsc and Swords left through the portal
Google Halo Dubbo
humble yacht
Chips dubbo has nothing to do with the gravemind
round comet
^
uhuh
HAHAHA in #483759756566069258 someone said "Because gravemind planned all this well more or less andd they are going where there were 12 graveminds there has to be flood"
lethal comet
Stacker is criminally underrated since he has all the feats that Dubbo had and he isn't an in-game joke
humble yacht
Stacker gets overshadowed by Johnson because they share rank
lethal comet
Will 343 ever address how he made it off both 04 and 05
Since Dubbo is obviously a precursor in disguise
round comet
orchid prism
@lethal comet Dubbo created the precursors m8
lethal comet
Dubbo is god himself
jolly furnace
If I recall right the UNSC/SOS sterilized all Flood they found on Zeta
lethal comet
If I recall right the UNSC/SOS sterilized all Flood they found on Zeta
@jolly furnace there could always be surviving samples
jolly furnace
Also I hope we see a Gravemind's personality prior to the Primordial merging with it
Yeah but I don't think they'll be in this campaign.
versed helm
we might get to see it in medicant
humble yacht
Hopefully not
jolly furnace
IMendicant really shouldn't be on the ring
Iso-didact had no logical reason to leave him there
Too risky
humble yacht
Sure
versed helm
heh. that'd be great
jolly furnace
If he's in the game, I expect it in terminals
mint folio
Spartan 2376. Status Mia. Real status. Kia. How. Pelican crashed during the battle of reach, got energy sword to the balls
versed helm
ok..........
mint folio
So I’m halo master chief collection, setting up custom game on blood gulch. How do you guys find me?
orchid prism
We don't find you, the server finds you.
mint folio
How do you guys get my custom game?
carmine sleet
Why are you asking about getting people into custom games in the lore chat?
feral perch
@mint folio You have to invite people manually
mint folio
Ok, how to find you guys
I think I found forthencho
Tell me if you got a invite from me
unique rune
Sure looks like the wrong channel to be doing this...
versed helm
it IS the wrong channel for this
mint folio
Stone brick got invite?
versed helm
dude, pc looking for group channels
mint folio
Xbox I am
gilded mason
You are in the wrong channel for this, @mint folio
feral perch
Sorry, I won’t be joining your custom game lobby today.
last anchor
Well this was interesting
orchid prism
Nvm lol
versed helm
everybody knows there's two ends to CE, right?
orchid prism
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orchid prism
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humble yacht
No memes
gilded mason
No, he is not.
versed helm
can someone tell me whats up with the helmet on fire?
feral perch
What helmet on fire?
versed helm
some armour skins have a helmet thats on fire
feral perch
That’s just cosmetic. It has nothing to do with lore.
humble yacht
Reach armor effects are non canon
stiff creek
But what if they were.
craggy sierra
Then someone doused their helmet in kerosene as a joke.
versed helm
do you get after achieving a certain tier in multiplayer, or something?
humble yacht
No
versed helm
then how do you get it?
feral perch
Well yes, in MCC you do
humble yacht
Tru, in mcc you get them by playing the game
In OG reach you got them by buying the collector’s edition
Blue flames by linking your Bungie account at some point
versed helm
ohhhhh
gilded mason
For Halo 3 MCC, you can just select it right out of the box.
nimble crest
I don’t remember it raining in ODST, am I crazy?
versed helm
so its a collectible edition thing
humble yacht
It was
nimble crest
Am I insane?
gilded mason
It rained, yes
nimble crest
I thought it was just night I don’t remember rain I thought it was just silence
versed helm
kekek. thanks
wait. is it seen only in Reach, or is it applicable in the other games too?
humble yacht
Only H3 and halo reach have flames
versed helm
ahh. kekek. thank you!
nimble crest
I like it believe that haunted is canon and used in the same way as emiles helmet and cause as much emotional and physiological damage
versed helm
spartan ops occurs during H4 or after it?
humble yacht
After
gilded mason
After Halo 4, considering the very first cutscene of it
humble yacht
Iirc a few months after
gilded mason
Yeah.
humble yacht
Infinity made a second trip
gilded mason
In H4, the Infinity was trapped on Requiem
humble yacht
Rip you
feral perch
Haunted ain’t canon
nimble crest
343 plz
feral perch
no
craggy sierra
Is haunted that one helmet from Dr. who?
feral perch
wow
gilded mason
That kinda thing has been around for a while
Scooby-doo had an episode around a skeleton-man in a space suit, too
And that was much longer ago
versed helm
well, to be honest, that whole thing with the tiny shadow monsters was pretty awesome
inner basin
Is haunted that one helmet from Dr. who?
I know this is a little off-topic, but speaking of Dr. Who just reminds me of the Weeping Angels, shivers. They freaked me out a lot when I was younger, still kinda do, but not to the same effect
terse lava
heh you know, I wonder if the things that Precursors and later Forerunners could only "contain" were something like the Weeping Angels
versed helm
Is haunted that one helmet from Dr. who?
@craggy sierra There isn't just one helmet for that episode.
full forge
I love how actually useless Lieutenant Craddog was in Halo: Retribution
Shout out to the deck pacer who recruited him.
nimble crest
Was the summa deep space incident the same thing that kat and carter were talking about in the cave scene
full forge
If it is in regard to an improperly mounted slipspace drive, then maybe.
spring lynx
Halo
flat swift
Wut happen to odst after drop and complete their objectives
unique rune
Assuming they aren't dead, they get picked up and return to the ship they're assigned to.
It's... really not complicated.
full forge
Hey-hey-hey.
They try to retrieve Spartan IIIs even more than ODSTs, it's just the IIIs missions are more dangerous.
spiral jewel
What's the lore behind the Halo Reach forge world map "Asphalt" (if it has any), as I can't find much or any info on it
(Side note: there's a few H:R Forge World maps that don't seem to have any information on Halopedia like Rasu and the aforementioned Asphalt)
last anchor
Most of the Forged maps dont have lore to em.
spiral jewel
Oh. I was curious and decided to ask
cedar surge
So how many halos do the unsc and SoS know about?
gilded mason
All but 01, 02, and 06
cedar surge
Have they interacted with the monitors?
terse lava
Dont belive so
versed helm
No
cedar surge
Good thing ONI havnt tried to pull something with the rings
versed helm
The monitors for Beta, Epsilon, and Eta/Kappa monitors mostly hid themselves because of what happened to Alpha, Delta, Alpha 2
cedar surge
So they are afraid of getting destroyed or infected?
terse lava
Destroyed
lilac ridge
so how many rings are there in the halo universe that we know of
cedar surge
Of the original array 12 and the new one I think 7 and 2 replacements
unique rune
Original array had 12, 11 of which were destroyed.
New array had six new rings constructed with the remaining old ring downsized to fit as I07.
flat swift
How much money do ODST and marines make?
unique rune
Then 08 and 09 were constructed as replacements for 04.
versed helm
Will we learn the fate of 09 or no in infinite
unique rune
You'll have to wait and see because no one here knows outside of 343.
versed helm
Ok
quasi apex
E
cedar surge
Could the unsc bring back those extinct species from all those glassed colonies?
gilded mason
If they had saved samples, sure
cedar surge
Gonna turn a planet into a zoo
Do you think they would ever make a colony on a installation?
humble yacht
Unlikely
humble yacht
They still exist
humble yacht
Reach had been exporting moa for years
The Have S’Moa restaurant chain has establishments across human space
cedar surge
Man their burgers in the outer colonies must have been hot
But wait
Wasn't slipspace tech before the war slow
humble yacht
Even if it was, cryosleep tech could work on birds
lethal comet
What would a moa burger taste like?
humble yacht
Probably like an emu burger
versed helm
Same as a moa drumstick
Prelates vs spartan who would win that fight
For the people that doesn’t know what a prelates are they’re San'Shyuum supersoldiers
snow void
Let's admit it, Johnson practically ran the UNSC.
cedar surge
Nah
round comet
..no
versed helm
Maybe he ran the marines but idk about the whole UNSC
sharp adder
yes and Johnson is Cabooses uncle from RVB
lethal comet
Why are nearly all rifles in halo bullpup design
lethal comet
What does Reclaimer mean?
@orchid prism Inheritor of the mantle
orchid prism
@lethal comet oooooh
lethal comet
Before humans reclaimer referred to the forerunners
This is because before h3 bungie was like forerunners=ancient humanity
That is why spark calls chief forerunner
And mistakes him for the iso didact in two betrayals
unique rune
Why are nearly all rifles in halo bullpup design
Because Bungie’s designers thought it was cool
orchid prism
@lethal comet interesting
round comet
This is because before h3 bungie was like forerunners=ancient humanity
yeah, no
round comet
good.
orchid prism
@round comet mind if i send you a friend request?, just asking.
versed helm
last i checked, spark just calls him reclaimer