They just prevented it from activating the Keyship.
#lore-and-universe
gilded mason
vapid willow
oh
thorn plinth
Mendicant Bias' fragment was carried through the Voi slipspace portal to Installation 00, where the missing shard was finally reunited with the part that had resided in the Ark's systems for around one-hundred millennia. This allowed Mendicant to reconstruct itself to an extent and regain control over its processes, although the daemons on the Ark attempted to halt its intrusion in the facility's systems.
via Halopedia
versed helm
I think the banished teamed up with cortana because how did they find zeta halo
thorn plinth
Well, the Banished were most likely on Reach ~2 months before humanity "lost the war" in Halo Infinite
gilded mason
Perhaps Cortana is using them as "useful idiots". Though why, I don't know yet.
vapid willow
But what would Cortana gain from joining with them?
thorn plinth
I expect Shadows of Reach to fill in some of the blanks? Though the game will do the most, for sure.
versed helm
Same here
cedar surge
Does the infinity have the capability to build mjinor?
Or does it just have the suits
thorn plinth
We know Infinity has 3D printers capable of building weapons, at the very least
Not sure about armour, but I wouldn't be surprised.
unique rune
Given its size and scope I wouldn't doubt it has facilities for MJOLNIR construction.
cedar surge
Wow people really want the infinity destroyed looking at the subreddit
thorn plinth
However, if we are to take Become - Step Inside as partially canon, it can be assumed that MC's new armor was built at a mining facity of some sort
cedar surge
I guess the UNSC practically being against the wall with barely any colonies at their control isn't enough for them
thorn plinth
The gameplay demo definitely hints at Infinity taking massive losses.
cedar surge
Do they not realize humanity is already enough on its back leg?
No that's not. Those are personal tags
Those are people not ships
thorn plinth
That's what I meant, a bunch of dead people from Infinity would be a massive loss... no?
thorn plinth
I agree, but still its reasonable to suspect that Infinity is either no more or not like it was. We know there will be multiple human bases on the Halo, its possible that a majority of Infinity's crew now reside there.
cedar surge
They better not can the infinity off screen
thorn plinth
The mission we saw in the gameplay demo was "several hours into the game". There is a lot to show and tell before what we saw last month
thorn plinth
Exactly...
But 343i claim its several hours into the game. Their words, not mine
So a lot happens before the Pilot and Chief crash land on that specific island.
cedar surge
Sarah Palmer is coming back
thorn plinth
Yep
cedar surge
That likely means lasky is coming back too
cedar surge
Will he have a beard though
Also the infinity has a lot of ground forces
Like many mammoths,tanks,walkers and other vehicles
So there will probably be big battles
thorn plinth
All the USNC equipment on the ring has to come from somewhere
cedar surge
They are also going back to using a older design to make a new design for the UNSC flag
thorn plinth
Its safe to assume though that the USNC won't be portrayed as powerful like they were in Halo 4 and Halo 5. Humanity is definitely the underdogs here.
Infinity represents Humanity's strength so I definitely expect 343i to use it to show just how outmatched we are against the Banished.
Imagine how powerful that imagery is: Humanity's flagship taken down. That's how you know we're doomed.
sweet hill
Imagine: big ground battles on the Ring
cedar surge
Im getting a little tired of the humanity are constantly the underdogs plot and lets kill characters and ships for no reason to show it.
It happened to Miranda and Johnson in halo 3
Miranda was a uneeded death
craggy sierra
Tbh the only “powerful” thing Humanity had going for them in 4 and 5 was the Infinity. Outside of that everything was in shambles I’m pretty sure.
thorn plinth
Pretty much, yeah
sweet hill
They lost...a lot
They had the infinity for power projection but that’s just a facade
Humanity wasn’t in the best shape
cedar surge
What's exactly wrong with humanity showing they are not weak(even though they actually are and the UNSC currently is in shambles so if you really think about it the UNSC are not the big dogs they claim they are that line is likely out of sheer confidence and arrogence while the swords of sanghellios are actually likely the most powerful faction before the created show up)
So no humanity is already on their back foot as it is
craggy sierra
Which humans are going around saying the UNSC is top dog?
sweet hill
The UNSC
cedar surge
That cutscene saying they are the big dogs now
sweet hill
“We are the giants now”
cedar surge
So the UNSC is already on the back foot as it is. Destroying the infinity would be dumb
cedar surge
We already know how strong the banished is
the covenant were never able to beat them
They sacked a human city
sweet hill
Yeah but when we lose our greatest ship? That’s fear.
cedar surge
That wouldn't even make sense
The banished powerful as they are are glorified raiders and mercenaries
Remeber that citizens where the infinity rammed straoght through a ship?
sweet hill
So...maybe the banished didn’t destroy infinity?
cedar surge
The infinity should not be destroyed,plus the created don't even see where the infinity is
The created don't see the infinity
sweet hill
But this is a halo ring.
sweet hill
No, it’s a very important place.
cedar surge
So?
sweet hill
Also, I may be out of the loop but how is infinity invisible?
cedar surge
The created can know where every ship is except for the infinity for some reason
sweet hill
Well...?
gilded mason
Which is weird
cedar surge
If jumping is all it took many ships would escaped the created
sweet hill
Cortana got on once, maybe she could direct fire?
cedar surge
Cortana is not on the infinity
sweet hill
I said once
cedar surge
She is the leader of the created
sweet hill
And a halo ring is perfect bait
cedar surge
You do know the infinity can jump fast right?
sweet hill
Yeah, but don’t you need to wait a second?
You can’t jump instantly after another, can you?
cedar surge
The guardians also have to charge up
sweet hill
Maybe this was a well prepared trap
Just speculation on my behalf
But we don’t know yet.
sweet hill
I mean, it is a Halo
cedar surge
Do its likely to have a short cool down period
sweet hill
Very important, maybe she prepared a good trap.
Eh...the halo looked damaged
Maybe a hefty battle took place
cedar surge
I doubt the infinity could do that much damage to the ring
sweet hill
I mean the Autumn could, but that’s because of a self-destruct
Humanity wouldn’t sacrifice infinity
Eh honestly, I’m waiting for more info
cedar surge
Plus infinity wouldn't fall for a trap like that. Lasky ain't dumb. The infinity has or likely has proved on the infinity
Plus created and banished goals don't align
sweet hill
Who said they’re working together?
cedar surge
So the created would have pushed the banished off the ring
sweet hill
Well if humans are still there...
cedar surge
You gave the idea of the created putting a trap using the rings
The banished are on the rings
They would fight each other
sweet hill
Hmm. Good point
cedar surge
Plus the banished take prisoners
sweet hill
Well, let’s wait and see.
flat swift
Could human be in banished
terse lava
But it is implied there are humans in it
delicate notch
depends, if they're a exiled branch of the covenant there cant be humans in their ranks.
Im not that well versed in the banished tbh D:
gilded mason
if they're a exiled branch of the covenant there cant be humans in their ranks.
Sure there can. Not immediately since there'd be a huge war and the distrust and suspicion would be too unsurmountable, but it's certainly possible afterwards since the Banished didn't carry the "Kill all humans" mandate the Covenant at large did.
feral perch
It's not implied there are humans in the Banished.
The Banished's affiliation with human criminal enterprises is just their buying stuff from Venezia.
That's it.
vapid willow
Good old Venezia, promoting cross-species cooperation since 2553 (I'm not actually sure when covie species migrated there).
gilded mason
All who can aid Atriox's ambition and will bend the knee are welcome, from human to Hunter, but their violence and conditions of service limit recruitement opportunities.
The chieftains [Atriox] has organized and controlled continue to spread their influence and power throughout Brute colonies and even into human criminal enterprises.
The Banished reject the idea of taboo and have been busy combining the black markets of Venezia and other outlaw rimworlds looking for further secrets of the ancients that can be exploited in the modern era.
I'd say this implies humans could be a part of it.
feral perch
Technically yes, practically speaking only in business transactions
The Banished were dumbed down pretty quickly after their introduction and I can't see us fighting humans in Halo Infinite.
A more interesting question - who will the Covenant faction in Shadows of Reach be?
Will they also be in Infinite?
terse lava
I vote Nizat and his group escaped and made their own group on finding out what happened
gilded mason
Do they make peace with Blue Team by the end of things? 🤔
terse lava
I would say maybe
feral perch
Was Frankie lying to us again when he said we were already acquainted with the leader of the Covenant faction in Infinite?
gilded mason
Got the quote handy?
feral perch
I guesssssss he could technically have told the truth because we know Atriox and the Banished are a "Covenant faction"
Nah. It was a tweet from some guy who claimed that Frankie told him that.
gilded mason
I guesssssss he could technically have told the truth because we know Atriox and the Banished are a "Covenant faction"
Ye
cedar surge
How large do you think the UNSC navy is right now (before created)
terse lava
Hm, didnt old lore state at 2525 they had 2000?
cedar surge
I mean post war
vague scroll
there aren't any current fleet statistics in the post-war
part of that narrative trick of not committing to hard numbers
cedar surge
Ah so it would be easier to make ships and fleets out of thin air
fair hazel
@terse lava No
terse lava
well was under the Assmbly wasn't it? When they took a guess at the Covenant having a navy of 2000 ships, similar to what humanity had at the time
cedar surge
That does not sound like the covenant number at all
The covenant wouldn't just shrug off 500 ships being destroyed if they only had 2000
They wouldn't either shrug off over 300 ships being destroyed by Cole
2000 does not sound reasonable at all to me
For the UNSC fine but for the covenant no
delicate notch
How could 200 ships be fine to lose for the unsc?
cedar surge
I never said that
I said if they said the UNSC had around 200 ships fine
But for the covenant no
delicate notch
you just edited your post didnt you? 😉
cedar surge
Yes I made a mistake in the number
delicate notch
Sounded like you meant that it would be okay for the unsc to lose 200 ships while it would be unreparable for the covenant ^^
cedar surge
No I didnt
well was under the Assmbly wasn't it? When they took a guess at the Covenant having a navy of 2000 ships, similar to what humanity had at the time
@terse lava
When he said this o was making a argument that no this is unreasonable for the covenant to have this few ships when we see how many ships they lose in the war and shrug it off. After I made my claim I said that if they were for example to say the UNSC has this many ships it would be fine but for the covenant it wouldn't make sense
Sorry for ping
terse lava
all good
cedar surge
Maybe I see a little bit of why some don't like the assembly
terse lava
I was simply saying I think that 2000 number or so was the closest we have th ship numbers for humanity
cedar surge
They wish
terse lava
we never do see humanity field that many over all in any battles
cedar surge
Didn't we have a discussion yesterday where a covenant fleet had thousands of ships?
At its height, the Covenant fielded thousands of warships, most being able to carry fighters, dropships, ground troops and vehicles
terse lava
I am unaware of yesterday but we do know at the start of the war, the Covenant, On nizat's return to High Charity, was preparing to indeed send out thousands of ships
cedar surge
From halopedia
So from what we know that was a misinformed assessment by the assembly?
terse lava
would say so
agile hollow
what book should I read next, I just read halo the flood
terse lava
the Assembly never knew how vast the Covenant fleets really were
next go for First Strike
cedar surge
They just took a potshots at the number and failed
terse lava
it's the direct sequel to The Flood
cedar surge
Miserably
cedar surge
Humanity would wish the covenant only had 2000
Has UNSC admirals tried to replicate the Coles plan of "turning a gas giant into a star and baiting the covenant into it?"
fair hazel
such thing hasnt been seen yet in the lore we have
it does require a specilan scenario
cedar surge
Cause Cole baited the covenant hard in that scenario
I think the elite admiral would have been turned into a arbiter for that if he survived
cedar surge
Oh ok
terse lava
I get a feeling the fleetmaster would likely have just been killed for loosing hundreds of ship
lethal comet
losing a halo is certainly worse
thel didnt get killed tho that might have been due to his history in thr cole protocol
livid compass
Hello, I have completed all of the present MCC PC Halo games and I wanted to learn a little bit more about the basic relationship between the Elites and Humans as species but, when I search it into Google, I get ahem different results from what I am seeking. I have heard that you fight certain Elite groups while you are friendly with others (like the Swords of Sanghelios) in ODST, 4 and 5. I want to understand why many of the Elites and the Humans turned against each other after the events of 2 and 3, preferably without too many spoilers for ODST, 4 and 5 as I do plan on learning about their stories via playing them and maybe watching a story playthrough of 5 if it does not come to PC. I appreciate any insights into this and I do not need an extremely in-depth explanation. Thank you.
Oh, uh, long message.
Does that count as flood/spam?
lethal comet
Does that count as flood/spam?
no
livid compass
Alright, thank you. The rules did not seem to say anything about flood.
lethal comet
the lites we fight in 4 and 5 are covenant remnants
They still believe in their covenant minus the prophets
livid compass
Ah. So Elites that side with the Covenant depsite what the Brutes and Prophets did?
livid compass
Ah, so they form their own branch? Following the beliefs without the rest of the Covenant?
lethal comet
they just worship forerunners like the original covenant and use the resources of the former covenant
They were strong devotees of the didact in 4
livid compass
I understand, thank you Craig.
cedar surge
There are many elites who still believe in the forerunners and some who still believe in the covenant. The ones who help us in 2 and 3 are the SoS, lead by the arbiter
livid compass
Ye, I see.
cedar surge
Wondering how the general human public think about aliens
livid compass
Thank you.
cedar surge
I think with hostility
livid compass
Mm, that'd be interesting to see.
lethal comet
And the remnants and swords of sanghelios were in civil war for so long due to coughonicough
Oni is the real antagonist post war imo
livid compass
Ah yes, the kidnapper organisation.
cedar surge
I think many elites would have just joined the arbiter if not for those ONI spooks
terse lava
funny to think there are still hundreds of covenant remant groups out there
lethal comet
we still dont know about those outside the orion arm
cedar surge
I think the reason the banished look like they got so strong is that many remnants joined them for protection
lethal comet
could be thousands
cedar surge
That's likely
versed helm
Makes me wonder if we'll end up seeing the Human Insurrectionists that joined the banished at some point
lethal comet
They are mercenaries so they access to a lot of resources
URF and banished goals dont really align
one wants freedom other wants domination
terse lava
not many Covenant forces were outside the Orion Arm. maybe only a few fleets, tiny outposts. everything else was in the arm itself
lethal comet
Last night I was wondering, did High Charity have any form of law enforcement
cedar surge
Likely
lethal comet
imagine HCPD
lethal comet
i was joking
cedar surge
Like "the elites who beat up grunts who keep touching the forerunner dreadnaught"
lethal comet
arent there hunters for that
livid compass
I do love interspecies polotical interactions between the humans and the other species in Halo. Especially the with the Elites because of how cool they are.
cedar surge
There are to many grunts to handle
livid compass
I'd love to see more in Infinite, just need to wait and see.
lethal comet
CH made those hunters look like they wouldnt hesitate to kill any san shyuum
cedar surge
Who wouldnt
lethal comet
wouldnt hesitate
cedar surge
Also did you know according to a review of the halo novels the reviewer said the San shyuum used to look attractive? Strange
lethal comet
the ones we see are boomers
we havent seen many that were young enough to not be in chairs
terse lava
we have seen a handful but yea, most of those on High Charity were bi-centinials
cedar surge
We saw standing ones in that H2A terminal and they still look the same
Thousands of years ago when the covenant was made
terse lava
yea, just depends on how things went
steep pewter
So I noticed sonething
I am reading Ghost of Onyx,
Halsey is enroute to ||Onyx with unconcious Kelly onboard, and she discovers Spartan III's project in the Akerson's files 'King Under the Mountain' for the first time.||
But in Reach game
Halsey already met Noble Team who were SIII's.
So this is just inconsistency right?
@inner basin
steep pewter
Nah Halsey knew each and every SII personally. She instantly recognised Jeorge.@fair hazel
fair hazel
She didn’t know whay kind of Spartans they were
She knew they weren’t hers. But doesn’t mean they’d be IIIs.
Makes sense?
steep pewter
So she knew SIII program was on.
Just was surprised or angry that Ackerson was leading it.
fair hazel
No. She didn’t know it was Iii
Maybe it was like a different type of II or something else
versed helm
She didn't find out until much later
steep pewter
Oh she though they were just Spartans II, another batch by ONI.
She had no idea about SIII until later.
But didn't ONI redirected funds from SII because they were too costly and refused to create another batch.
Also in that sense Noble 6 was basically SII rather than SIII with their Mjolnir Armour and equal strength to SII without suits.
versed helm
SIII are stronger
steep pewter
Just yersterday I had this discussion and
SII and SIII are equal in strength without armour.
versed helm
no, they are not
round comet
nope
versed helm
this has been covered quite a lot
round comet
yep
versed helm
Gamma Company even moreso
The SIII augmentations are an improvement over the SII augs in every way
steep pewter
Oh okay.
so
SIII greater than SII without armour.
but
SII greater than SIII with armour.
versed helm
no
that's not how it works
if given MJOLNIR, SIII > II
SPI is why SIII were suicide units
steep pewter
So basically
Noble team could have been more dealdy than Blue Team?
versed helm
not necessarily
round comet
id argue theyd be on the same level
versed helm
each spartan still has their own skillset
round comet
that too
i think on average the Spartan II’s were better than the other generations, but there were some exceptions with the Spartan III’s who were mostly equal
4s are just ODSTs in power armour so not gonna talk about them here
versed helm
they needed Gen 2 to even compete lol
round comet
yep ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cedar surge
IIIs were not worse than IIs
round comet
on average, yes they were.
steep pewter
I would still argue SII are greater or almost equal in raw strength than SIII without armour.
round comet
well you see,
it had to do with the fact that the genetic requirements were not as broad as the spartan 2 program, and due to the technology being more advanced.
failure rate was also far lower than the spartan2 program
the Spartan3 augmentations were less invasive than the spartan 2 augmentations
they were chemically induced, unlike the spartan2s who went through surgical augmentation procedures
yeah
the augmentations? yes.
their effects? nope
yeah no like i said, spartan 2s were better than all other gens overall
with a few exceptions with the 3s
i dont think they did lol
johnson wont be proud 
well, chief and arby are alive
johnson isnt
RIP
orchid prism
Still can't believe Johnny was killed by a light bulb...
round comet
better believe it
cedar surge
Did Johnson need to die?
dim imp
According to Marty, yes
dim imp
Miranda died, then Johnson
With those deaths, he wanted the player to be afraid of the same fate happening to Arby or Chief, knowing that anyone can die anywhere, to create some tension
slow igloo
yes but also I think it was also a way to kinda wrap the story up.
dim imp
Maybe, I just reuse what Marty said
tame echo
spartan 4s we have the best modifications Chief: BOI
inner basin
So I’m gonna go ahead and give a bold statement in regards to the conversation from earlier, the Spartan-IIIs who were given Mjolnir or Headhunter positions (during the HCW) were typically on-par or around the same skill as the
Spartan-IIs on average
Still can't believe Johnny was killed by a light bulb...
You know what’s funny, the light bulb is still alive, although free from its protocols and returned to his ancient human personality, Chakas
inner basin
I think they are. From someone who HEAVILY, and I mean heavily studies Spartan-III lore, I’d say in quite a few cases some IIIs excel over the IIs (on average)
round comet
I think they are. From someone who HEAVILY, and I mean heavily studies Spartan-III lore, I’d say in quite a few cases some IIIs excel over the IIs (on average)
like i said, there were exceptions.
inner basin
Several exceptions. But overall those IIIs who were pulled from their companies are on par with the IIs if you ask me. There was a reason they were specifically pulled. Besides, the designation “Cat-2” is still canon
versed helm
Spartan Inductees that met the requirements to become S-II
Typically Cat-2 are given MJOLNIR instead of SPI
well, before the S-IV program that is
yeah, pretty much
inner basin
Yeah Noble Team besides Jorge are Cat-2 S-IIIs
Although I think some Cat-2 S-IIIs might’ve actually still been sent on the Alpha and Beta suicide missions because it was difficult for Mendez and Kurt to pull Spartans out of the companies. Although that can be debated
steep pewter
My point of view
With Mjolnir for both
S-II equals S-III
With Mjolnir for S-II and SPI for S-III
S-II far greater than S-III
Without armour
S-III equal or less than S-II
These are average conditions.
steep pewter
Yes. Raw power.
round comet
well then you are correct and i agree
steep pewter
What other areas would you disagree with this situation.@round comet
inner basin
You know something that people never point out about SPI is it’s stealth capabilities. It’s far superior for stealth operations than Mjolnir. Some S-IIIs actually prefer SPI than Mjolnir in more situations thank not
versed helm
Your point of view is not correct. @steep pewter
Objectively, S-III are far superior to S-II
because you're also not factoring their training
their raw strength is greater than S-II
Gamma Companies' tenacity is extremely greater than S-II
S-III had both
S-IV were the ones with the less extensive augmentations
inner basin
The only thing with the IIIs is the genetic requirements. The generic markers were less strict when looking for candidates
versed helm
They were less strict because the augmentations had been improved
inner basin
I guess that’s true. So in genetics, augmentations made up for
versed helm
then there's Cat-2, as previously discussed
inner basin
I still wonder how many Cat-2s were officially designated. We know of 28, I think
I’ll list the ones I can think of here real quick;
the final 5 of Noble Team (in the game),
Rosenda, a rotational Noble Team member,
Thom, the previous Noble 6,
Gauntlet Team (6 IIIs),
Echo Team (6 IIIs),
Red Team (6 IIIs and not the S-II Red Team during TFoR),
Owen-B096 (Battle Born),
Kevin-A282 (Breaking Strain),
Hazel (can’t remember her tag)
orchid prism
Interesting
inner basin
Part of me wishes they never confirm it for fan fiction reasons, but another part wishes they do for canonical reasons
orchid prism
I always wondered about Thom, is there any lore or history behind him?
inner basin
Not really. Although at least he went out with a bang, something Johnson would respect
orchid prism
Yeah, that trailer was beautiful
inner basin
Although I think it’s safe to say 6 filled those boots that the rest of the squad would rather leave unfilled when sacrificing himself to get the Cortana fragment along with the PoA itself away from the planet
Well it probably could, but any Spartan could do that with their regular firsts and arm
Although then again, energy-shielding in Halo has had some oddities in the past
carmine sleet
It should be noted that in the real world right now, a robotic arm is naturally stronger than a human arm
versed helm
heloo, ppls. sorry i've been AWOL for so long
versed helm
Thanks
round comet
hi
orchid prism
Yo
round comet
orchid prism
versed helm
flat swift
cedar surge
Do covenant ships get thrown back after getting hit with a mac shot or do the shields just absorb all of the force
humble yacht
Mac rounds have a lot of piercing
So it penetrates rather than distributing the impact force across the whole target
teal mist
So recently ive been fascinated by Unknown Crashed ship on Installation 04, and its origins. At first i though it was ancient humanity, but after some research, it was not them.
So far, ive only found their language, the one seen in the distress call, is one of the only strong avenues to discover the truth, thats shrouded in mystery.
https://thehalostoryline.weebly.com/forerunnerprecursor-language.html
(the bottom of the page)
spiral jewel
I wonder how many "Ghost Ships" , left over from the Human Forerunner war are still floating around by the late 2550's , as iirc ONI discovered one at one point
teal mist
probably a dozen. Offensive bias likely took over all ships that were derelict after the defeat of Mendicant Bias
but its likely a few ships, such as lifeworker ships, that are still drifting. However, i do think that this ship that crashed on 04. I think it was a Precursor recon ship, since they did leave the galaxy, and likely returned after the firing of the halo arrays
since for the distress call to be active, members of the crew would have to be alive to active it.
Not only does the language of the distress call match "known records" but its pattern has never been seen before.
The ship also has a green Hugh to it, with exterior lighting, which is never seen on ancient vessels.
cedar surge
Has the UNSC taken covenant prisoners during the war?
Out of hundreds of battles on hundreds of colonies that must have at least captured a few right?
carmine sleet
There's been a couple Elites, such as Henry from Mona Lisa
humble yacht
Subject DENVER is also a prisoner
teal mist
I doubt the UNSC captured many, as most elites or covenant forces (excluding the Unngoy) would likely have died in battle, rather then to be captured
cedar surge
Could see multiple odsts trying to tackle a elite to capture him
Not sure if that would even work
teal mist
i doubt it
Since elites were of the most honourable, and death was a sign of disgrace, same with many in the covenant, and would rather die. Thel'Vadam is a good example of that
versed helm
death at the hands of a weaker foe
its honouring when the foe is an equal or stronger
like, one sangheli vs a battalion or 2 of mariens
marines*
humble yacht
doesn't the foe beating them mean they were stronger in some fashion?
if not physically then through superior tactics
cedar surge
Sure but a elite being beaten in hand to hand combat by a normal human has to be shameful
Wait
If dying to a weaker foe is a disgrace
Then shouldn't every sanghelli who died during the war be disgraced?
Humans are a "weaker foe"
gilded mason
Or different Elites will accordingly have different ideas on what counts as honorable/dishonorable. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Like the "Escape from a ship" situation that came up in two different books
humble yacht
seems to me that if a normal human successfully defeated an elite in single combat then the elite would acknowledge them as superior
cedar surge
So elites would acknowledge forge as superior
gilded mason
Probably. Or go "Man, Ripa was such a toerag. Idiot."
cedar surge
"Hah these guys are just weak humans lets arm my elites with only halberds and I'm going to attack that marine I'm sure everything will go well :)"
Shouldn't have those elites worse the ceremonial armor?
The on we see on high charity
humble yacht
true enough, if an elite loses to a normal human in 1v1, it's probably because they made a mistake
like arrogance or something
but hey, capitalizing on your opponent's error is the mark of a good warrior
smart fighters don't play with their food, they end it quickly and effeciently
Ripa lost because of pride
cedar surge
Yea because any smart elite gives their soldiers ha l berds to fight spartans
prisma root
hey
cedar surge
Yes?
cedar surge
Did the covenant use animals to hunt down humans?
Like they take gutas and throw them at humans to hunt them down
humble yacht
no
cedar surge
Ok
versed helm
Was Mendicant Bias on I08 in H3?
humble yacht
yes
cedar surge
Are the SoS technically atheist because they don't believe in the forerunners anymore?
humble yacht
i'm sure the elites had their own religion before the prophets defeated them
vapid willow
They might start returning to their pre-covenant faith.
I not sure how different it would be from the covenant's, besides the Great Journey obviously, since the Forerunners were worshiped as gods.
soft mango
B a n s h e e f l y e r s
vapid willow
He is their political/military leader, but I don't think the title of Arbiter ever held religious power.
versed helm
It has some form of religious power in a sense of how they are involved in religious operations.
terse lava
The Arbiters pre-Covenant wre considered "judge-kings" there may have been some religious meaning with them back then
regal osprey
did the arbiter Thel change to fit the new 343 art style in H5, or did he retain his old appearance (aside from his armor)?
iirc 343 explained the new designs as different phenotypes of covenant races or something so it wouldn't make sense for him to change
gilded mason
They said that for things like Thel, it was a matter of resource management
regal osprey
hm
alright, thanks
~~ i was too distracted by his ugly new armor to tell in the cutscenes ~~
soft mango
Thel more like Arbiter amirite bois
sly yew
The elite religion kinda sounds like the Greek Spartan one in some sense. Based on warfare and honor. Arbiters are like the Kings the Spartans has as well
versed helm
i guess sangheili are based off both spartan and japanese?
gilded mason
They have a whole load of different inspirations, from knights, romans, norse, greeks, etc.
terse lava
mhm
sly yew
I would say the grunts inspiration was the USSR. Lmao
inner basin
~~ i was too distracted by his ugly new armor to tell in the cutscenes ~~
NGL, I actually really dig his Kaidon armour in H2A/H5
gilded mason
His kaidon armor looks better in H2A than H5
Though the helmet I could do without in both
inner basin
Well yeah, but I still like it in both. I know there are a few differences between the two different appearances (besides one showing his true phenotype) but yeah, that doesn't change my opinion on the armour set
terse lava
they could also snap to his wrists
last anchor
Probably some kind of magnetic field generators in his gauntlets to keep him from hurting himself.
cedar surge
The new arbiter armor headpiece looks a bit strange to me
cedar surge
How large are cities on earth?
versed helm
Larger
sterile sphinx
Is the armor from the cover of cole protocol the same armor jai wears on the h2a terminal?
versed helm
Hello There! So, I decided to start reading the Expanded Universe of Halo, what is the best book to start?
gilded mason
Going by release order would be a good bet
versed helm
Thanks! I'll search it then, thanks
cedar surge
Is Cole protocol still used?
craggy sierra
I doubt it
cedar surge
Or are the colonies locations just know to the galaxy
vapid willow
I think they still use it, it probably didn't help against the Created, but I could see it preventing factions like the Banished and Storm Covenant from attacking colonies that survived the war.
nimble crest
When was the MJOLNIR MK 5 put into service? Before the events of reach? Perhaps in the 2540s?
versed helm
Well the MK 5 was in service until October 2552
nimble crest
Like Halsey started production and working on the follow up to the mk4 around 2541 but my question really is when did it field
versed helm
I want to say right before the battle for reach
nimble crest
So basically it was in service from battle of reach up until the end of first strike?
gilded mason
Yeah. Though prototyping was done for it around 2550 or so? Maybe 2551.
slow igloo
not sure if this the right channel for this but anyone else excited to see how Elites and Brutes are going to be fighting side by side in HI? Brutes were more numerous in H3 but I feel like most of them were typicaly weaker than the Elite counterparts in the prievous games.
lethal comet
Noble got thei mk V in 2551
inner basin
@nimble crest The Mk. V was officially put into service around November 2551, although that was designated as the Mk. V[B] platform. The second version of Mk. V (which was given to 25 of the surviving S-IIs for Op: RED FLAG) was put into service just prior to the Fall of Reach in August 2552
lethal comet
yeah noble team were one of the first
lethal comet
Just read knight takes bishop and Telcam's final words still confuse me
gilded mason
God, what a waste that was.
versed helm
.
versed helm
Well, Telcam was a weird fellow
spiral jewel
Depending on what year he was born, is it possible that B312 knew/met Locke at some point, since they're both from Jericho 7?
humble yacht
I don’t think so
carmine sleet
Planets aren't exactly small
humble yacht
Even if they were kids at the same time, planets are big
Also Locke didn’t really like the UNSC and did his own thing
flat swift
Why Spartans get sad
versed helm
They are humans who experience normal emotions too, surprisingly enough.
terse lava
You mean they're not undead warriors?/s
humble yacht
Only if they get infected by flood
versed helm
No, this is not Blood Dragon.
cedar surge
Spartan helmets surprisingly can display emotion
Maybe I picked it up from watching red vs blue
versed helm
Don't forget the music too, that can really evoke the emotions of a character. Look at the scene in the beginning of New Alexandria.
nimble crest
You can hear the sadness in carters voice on nobles second trip to sword base
gusty star
You also see him kind of look distraught immediately after they pull Kat’s corpse into the bunker.
versed helm
Why does Cortana have feet
gilded mason
For you, Gibber. For you.
deep pewter
Because she wants to have feet
cedar surge
Cortana has a human model why wouldn't she
versed helm
For you, Gibber. For you.
@gilded mason ❤️❤️
versed helm
Yes 😈
versed helm
No.
tepid harbor
so, im new to halo. just started the first book yesterday
did the covenant just come out of nowhere and basically overwhelm human forces?
gilded mason
First contact was a bit of a surprise, yes. Though some initial talks were being done after that, before Truth decided to go "It'll be more convenient to just kill them all."
cedar surge
You forgot about the part that humanity basically made the covenant faith a lie
And humanity held its own for nearly 30 years
gilded mason
Yeah, that's why Truth thought killing was more convenient than the "truth".
Mainly because Space is Big™️
cedar surge
Does the covenant have huge structures like humanities space elevators on their planets?
gilded mason
Covenant have things like the Rings of Mighty Abundance and others
Sanghelios also used to have a huge city-state that was basically one big tower
last anchor
Then it got smoked
gilded mason
i cri
cedar surge
How does Cr translate into covenant money
humble yacht
it doesn't
Covenant may have had money but it's not like you could just go to a currency exchange
fair hazel
or maybe you can on venezia
cedar surge
Veniza is that colony that rebellled right
last anchor
Not quite rebelled, just...ended up becoming Halo Mos Eisely. Hive of scum and villainy and basically whatever you wanna buy.
inner basin
Was Venezia first mentioned by Karen Traviss? I could see that (Mos Eisely) being her inspiration for the planet if so. If I’m not mistaken, hasn’t she wrote books for Star Wars?
cedar surge
Yea I think she wrote republic commando books
So is venezia "technically" still apart of the UNSC?
inner basin
Likely not
vapid willow
No, if I remember correctly, they split and formed their own government/militia.
inner basin
Probably a corrupt government too considering all the illegal activities that happen there. Maybe paid to turn a blind eye
vapid willow
Yeah, there was that whole fiasco in orbit with UNSC forces, where a damaged ship was malfunctioning and denied help, then it blew up, and the rescue ship was fired upon.
snow halo
Why was new mombasa a ghost town in h2 and odst? Were they all killed, or evacuated or what?
versed helm
If you listen to the halo 3 ODST audio recordings everyone was evacuated
inner basin
Well not everyone. A good number of people died, and we weren’t exactly in the parts where the remaining humans would’ve been. Any that would of been remaining would be dead (because of the Covenant)
versed helm
Which year do you think the halo tv series will be set in
I want to say before reach because the imdb page have captain keys on it
snow halo
wait there's a halo series?
versed helm
Next year
craggy sierra
Set during the war and apparently featuring chief so out flies my interest.
So it’s going to probably:
-feature all human characters
-frame the aliens as objective evil and not worth characterizing
-and just be chief shooting stuff with all the lack of character he had before the forerunner saga.
It’s hard to not see it as playing it the most safe possible way.
fair hazel
i dont see venezia really taken from mos eisley
cedar surge
Well we do get the covenant raising a human child,Miranda being a scientist,and a character changing races
The show isn't canon though
inner basin
It being non-canon has ruined my interests tbh
fair hazel
all characters are stil lhumans or sangheili etc, none of that has chaned
theres no confirmation on it being no ncaon
rich aspen
gotta love that in trying to appeal to everyone
they made it unappealing for fans
and going to make getting into the games confusing for newcomers.
cedar surge
It kinda looks like the show is getting its own canon
full forge
I liked Forward Unto Dawn, wish it'd be like that.
Anyways
Is Anarosa Isabel's donor?
west silo
Well we do get the covenant raising a human child,Miranda being a scientist,and a character changing races
@cedar surge
Wasn't Miranda on a science ship before becoming a commander?
cedar surge
Read her biography,yea
But it says its because of Haley she got that ship to stay out of the war
"She was assigned to the UNSC Hilbert, an older, unarmed science vessel patrolling the outer reaches of UNSC-controlled space. This was due to her mother's influence, who wanted to keep Miranda out of harm's way"
I'm not sure getting assigned a science ship makes you a scientist
west silo
Well if u twist it enough maybe?
cedar surge
How do you go from scientist to commander
terse lava
fancy learning I guess
craggy sierra
tbh this is also a universe where Halsey is apparently just a master class in every field of science.
So I think we're well into the realm of a universe that treats science as a bit of a nebulous concept.
Need to figure something out? Do some science on it.
Does it matter what science? Of course not. Just get some science people and their science machines.
Like for real tho. What field of science isn't Halsey in? She does like biology, engineering, physics, archaeology?
cedar surge
Chemistry?
craggy sierra
Probably needed a bit of that to make all the augmentation drugs
cedar surge
Now I see why the unsc uses Haley in big projects so much
She is nearly a master of science
craggy sierra
Also designed the power armour so that's the engineering
craggy sierra
And she also spends a lot of time skulking around forerunner ruins
craggy sierra
She was leading the research on the ruins on reach
craggy sierra
¯_(ツ)_/¯
craggy sierra
They probably tried shooting it
cedar surge
They did shoot the keyship
craggy sierra
tbh I have a comic about that I could probably go re-read it if I wanted
cedar surge
With mac guns
craggy sierra
I dunno
cedar surge
Remeber that halo 3 cutscene where longsword were bombing the keyship and frigates were mac striking it?
west silo
The thing survived ramming a planet and lefted without a dent there's really nothing they could have done
clear island
What do you think about Spartan-II class II? General question directed at anyone.
vague scroll
fun concept, not really canon - not going to make any appearances in mainline canonical stories anytime soon
gilded mason
^
clear island
I’d really love to see new life breathed into characters like Nicole-458 and Yasmine-128
gilded mason
I'll be perfectly happy if nothing is ever done with them again
west silo
I’d really love to see new life breathed into characters like Nicole-458 and Yasmine-128
@clear island
Is Nicole the one from DOA
vague scroll
yes
clear island
Yep, the one that is apparently from class 2
west silo
Isn't she like in some sort of canon limbo canon yet not canon at the same time
cedar surge
Schrodiners spartan
vague scroll
^
cedar surge
Both canon and not canon
vague scroll
eh, more leaning towards non-canon in all honesty
west silo
Both canon and not canon
@cedar surge
Soo like sees a Spartan 2 but not class 2??
clear island
Didn’t she exist before the whole concept of Spartan-III was out there?
vague scroll
we already have too many S-IIs in canon, it would be hard to fit her among the already complicated number we have
gilded mason
Ye
west silo
Didn’t she exist before the whole concept of Spartan-III was out there?
@clear island
Didnt DOA. After halo 2
vague scroll
the adding of three new Spartan-IIs for the Halo TV show pushed the numbers even harder
west silo
Wasn't the 33 Spartan that successfully got augmented and 3 teams of washout that got rehabilitatied so it's not that farfetched
gilded mason
A year before Ghosts of Onyx came out
west silo
A year before Ghosts of Onyx came out
@gilded mason
So the S3 concept already existed
gilded mason
Maybe. Depends on when Nylund started writing the book
west silo
U know the number of Spartan 2s that survived the war isn't as bad as I thought like almost half of them are alive
Sadly can't say the same for the S3
clear island
I’ve tried working class 2 into the lore in my own personal fan writings, it’s been difficult. Logistics don’t well support it, funds aren’t there, Catherine Halsey isn’t administrating it, many issues
west silo
Plus how long it will take for them to be combat ready
clear island
My whole idea is that they could’ve been on Onyx, training longer and harder than the other companies, just known as Sierra Company. Could’ve been a secret operation like the headhunters.
west silo
That's actually pretty cool
vague scroll
I guess this is an oppurtunity to plug my friend Falkeno's fanfic which tried to fit as many 2s and 3s in to the same story as possible while maintaining lore compatibility
west silo
I guess this is an oppurtunity to plug my friend Falkeno's fanfic which tried to fit as many 2s and 3s in to the same story as possible while maintaining lore compatibility
@vague scroll
How well did that go
vague scroll
it's a very very tight squeeze
I've seen him go on hour long tangents explaining his thought process on trying to make the numbers work
I don't recall if he did Class 2 or not though
clear island
Sounds like a squash and a squeeze, but that’s all I’ve ever known, working with this part of the lore.
west silo
it's a very very tight squeeze
@vague scroll
I think the most amount of Spartan 3 that exist is probably around a thousand
vague scroll
less than 1000 at most, if we continue to recognize that Delta Company never got trained or recruited
generally we'd be closer to 900 total
clear island
I heard this one mad idea that Delta Company became spartan IVs
While not impossible, it wouldn’t be direct.
vague scroll
it wouldn't fit given that Delta was only recruitable by 2552 and they'd generally be ages 4-6
by 2558, they'd be on average at 10-12 years old so no, they couldn't become S-IVs
clear island
Guess it just depends how much longer S-IV is open
vague scroll
with the UNSC forced into exile, it really doesn't look like the S-IVs are doing recruiting, maybe after the Created crisis wraps up we might see that
west silo
Although wasn't the Spartan 3s absorbed by the Spartan4s while some became the ferits
clear island
What I was getting at, is that it would be possible if they grew up, and with their vengeful motivation, they’d try for S-IV as adults
vague scroll
yeah that is correct 117
clear island
Yee, I hear you. I’m still foggy on the created crisis
west silo
Well they gotta do something with them can't have a bunch of adults walking around saying the were going to get recruited as kids by the unsc
vague scroll
the Created Crisis isn't over yet so it's hard to say how it will end or if it will end soon
no one is going to believe a little kid like that 117
clear island
Right, they weren’t even trained. Basically just war orphans like any other
vague scroll
they're just kids and ONI already tried that mess with Hunt the Truth
they made Benjamin Giraud look like a fool by making him leak the discovery of the IIs and then used him as a scapegoat to pretend the kidnappings never happened
gilded mason
They also kinda let Ralph go.
vague scroll
same happened with Maria and Randall to some degree but they both were special circumstances
Ralph probably also got a special exception we saw off screen
clear island
I was just thinking of Halo legends, and what I remembered was, the package
How Halsey was aged down, and the dialogue.
vague scroll
it's Halo-inspired anime, you can take some of it with a grain of salt
though it is canon
west silo
I like the package I just HATE how it treated the 2s
vague scroll
Halsey looking younger is more just artistic expression than the objective fact
like they were disposable? or like they were superhuman?
west silo
This
vague scroll
they were intentional throwaway characters from what I can gather
west silo
And Solomon rushing into a obvious trap
clear island
I don’t really approve of throwing away Spartan-2s
vague scroll
SPARTAN-IIs did fall to innocuous things during the war, they're far from invincible
west silo
they were intentional throwaway characters from what I can gather
@vague scroll
There didn't even have any impact!
vague scroll
Remember that there was a time that Bungie wanted Master Chief to be the "Last Spartan"
west silo
SPARTAN-IIs did fall to innocuous things during the war, they're far from invincible
@vague scroll
Like the pelican scene in first strike?
vague scroll
among other things, yeah
west silo
Remember that there was a time that Bungie wanted Master Chief to be the "Last Spartan"
@vague scroll
Pretty sure they couldn't even agree on that
clear island
I mean, James got his arm blown off by hunters on Sigma Octanus IV
west silo
I mean, James got his arm blown off by hunters on Sigma Octanus IV
@clear island
And still fought on
clear island
And later, he was tossed out to space by his jet pack taking a hit
vague scroll
Sam died over something as menial as not having enough vacuum sealants
his sacrifice was meaningful but his death was over something rather simple
Kat died from a sniper headshot
Emile got stabbed in the back by a lone Sangheili Fieldmaster
west silo
Sam died over something as menial as not having enough vacuum sealants
@vague scroll
It was an overcharged shot and the first they ever encounter plasma weapons
vague scroll
I don't deny that but they also lacked shields at that point
the plasma shot didn't kill him either
clear island
Hmm, I suppose it much how they died, as it is how their deaths were executed, Catch my meaning? Art and Solomon went down like clone troopers
west silo
his sacrifice was meaningful but his death was over something rather simple
@vague scroll
Kats death was here shields got fried they mentioned that in the cutscene. And those are 3s
vague scroll
given they were up against a Covenant fleet, their deaths are not that odd all things considered
their deaths matched the threat they faced
Doesn't really make a difference, her death was unexpected but also to something rather simple. She didn't go out with some epic death is what made people turn her character into a meme.
IIIs were as skilled as IIs, it's not worth writing them off - my only point is that Spartans have died over less in the past
clear island
I’m probably just used to dramatic music and effects at spartan deaths.
west silo
Sams death was important narrative wise to show John a lesson that they aren't invincible and not to underestimate the enemy
vague scroll
Spartans are still fallable, they can die pretty easy - they were just lucky that some survived the war as long as they did
or survived at all
clear island
About being in the right place at the right time. Noble six was hyper-lethal, with chief being the only other of that rating, and he still died,
west silo
Man but kinda feel sad after because after bearly seeing these characters the one time they appear on screen the die. Pretty Anticlimactic
clear island
We could debate about if it were Chief doing lone wolf.
vague scroll
Hyper lethal was retconned to include all Spartans
west silo
That hyper lethal nonsense has thankfully been retconed
clear island
Aw it was? Interesting
vague scroll
Hyper lethal only ever appears in the Halo Reach marketing and then in the Spartan Field Manual that came out this year which explains that retcon to mean any Spartan in MJOLNIR is hyper lethal
So a Spartan outside MJOLNIR is not hyper lethal but that’s really all the distinction is, it’s a rather unremarkable statement these days
clear island
What about Cat-II? I couldn’t find any actual articles on it.
vague scroll
Halopedia has tried to wash away the cat-2 designation since it doesn’t really have a proper definition
west silo
It's pretty funny that in that book Thorne believes that. Requiem might still be out there dispite it nose diving into the sun
vague scroll
The only time it appears is in the Halo Reach accompany manual
But cat-2 just means a team like NOBLE
There’s nothing unique beyond that
What qualifies a unit or Spartan as cat-2 is unknown
clear island
You’d have to ask an expert like Halsey
vague scroll
Best guess is that cat-2 could mean Spartan-IIIs removed from traditional S-III deployments to perform not traditional team roles (receive MJOLNIR)
west silo
Man I wish catalog was still around
vague scroll
The popular fan theories that made Halopedia try to wipe out cat-2 was claims that the S-IIIs had S-II gene markers or that Cat-2 meant S-IIIs that were as skilled as S-IIs
But of course both of these conclusions are wrong
Or at least misinformed
clear island
No one really knows
vague scroll
Pretty much
cedar surge
Looking at waypoint do people not know halopedia exists?
Like asking if the UNSC had artillery
Also in that halo 2 anniversary scene where they showed the covenant fleet chasing the autumn
What were those red bolts the PoA was shooting back
clear island
Probably tracers.
Not sure why they’d need tracers@for naval cannons, but that’s my best guess.
vague scroll
Space is dark for one, so tracer fire is useful - the more practical explanation is that it’s artistic expression
It’s hard to communicate gunfire without the tracer fire
Bullets already travel far slower in movies than they do in real life
They’re just there to help give context to the visual storytelling
clear island
Suppose I can agree, as cool as realism is, it’s hard to make the story interesting at times when you are fully committed to making it lifelike.
vague scroll
There’s been remarks I’ve heard that realism can be really well done in fiction but people just don’t want to, they make it harder on themselves as story tellers or in the film industry. I don’t know to what degree this is accurate but I like to believe that if you’re willing to be creative, it can be done
clear island
I personally aspire to be able to have interesting realism, it’s more difficult than what meets the eye
vague scroll
I agree with that sentiment
My most recent Halo fanfic project has spent more time with characters talking then fighting, it took two thirds of a chapter for a Army fireteam to kill 2 jackal snipers
inner basin
In my fanfictions I personally like to depict consistent fighting, especially if it's during the HCW. No rest for the weary, although these are Elite ODSTs I'm writing about so it's to be expected
vague scroll
I kind of take a limited war concept to my stories “long periods of boredom punctuated with short bursts of excitement”
clear island
Out of curiosity, how many words are in a chapter for you guys?
inner basin
It varies. I don't really keep track, I just keep typing until I'm satisfied with my work
vague scroll
Anywhere between 3 thousand and 9 thousand words but it depends on the story
I try to not go over 10k and average around 5k but usually my chapter lengths are consistent per their story
inner basin
I mean I'm only writing fanfictions for fun. I don't really have plans to share them or anything. I'm making my headcanon with them
clear island
I’m a new writer myself, I don’t typically get more than 2k into a chapter
vague scroll
I’ve been writing fanfics for a long time so I post relatively often, I’m a site moderator for the Halo Fanfiction wiki, Halo Fanon
Though I don’t really have many completed stories to my name, mostly concepts rather than stories but I’ve been trying to correct that
clear island
I feel like I have the passion and ideas to write, it’s just not as refined or exquisite as a more experienced author yet.
cedar surge
Oh how do you guys write space battles?
vague scroll
I tend to not write space battles, they’re not my forte
cedar surge
Most ship battles I've seen(at least in crossovers) just have them as star wars type battles
vague scroll
But in theory writing space battles is a slow process, I’d like to follow an Expanse-style space battle concept
inner basin
I just describe what's happening, sometimes with dialogue thrown in appropriately ofc
vague scroll
Taking gravity, orbits into account
clear island
If I wrote a space battle, it might take a chip off the way Nylund wrote them. From the perspective of the ship’s bridge
cedar surge
So you write stuff like for example the Keyes loop level of detail
inner basin
Yeah, kinda
cedar surge
I think I might prefer smaller ship battles vs moss pits of ships all fighting each other
clear island
I mean, it’s that or “ship go shootie pow bang and make alien ship go boom bang pew,!”
cedar surge
Yea in most fanfiction I have seen its. "Shoot mac,shoot missiles,reload, repeat"
Like they are forgetting that coilgun batteries also exist
inner basin
I mean there only is a few successful ways of actually writing ship combat, especially larger Naval battles
vague scroll
There’s opportunities to be more complex than that. Describing how the formations work, explaining the steps or courses taken. While it’s not space battles, the maneuvering of warships in the age of battleships like WW1 and WW2 can give great insight into tactical concepts
Like substituting an island with a planet as a form of protection or cover
cedar surge
Well having a star destroyer dodge out of the way of a mac strike at near point blank range for halo
Feels a bit dumb
vague scroll
Or losing radio/communication contact when passing behind a obstructive object in space or at sea
inner basin
Speaking of sea, I think I might tackle wet naval combat or at least a fire mission in my next fanfic
vague scroll
Yeah that doesn’t really make sense, I used to enjoy halo crossovers with other sci fi franchises but I’ve moved on and don’t enjoy it anymore
cedar surge
I would also say that ship battles should not be from the perspective of the biggest ship
Because smaller ships are more vulnerable and are more interesting
vague scroll
Sounds interesting, I did do a little sea combat myself for a Halo RP a while back but all it involved was using a CIWS to down Banshee squadrons on Alluvion
cedar surge
Oh yea I know the most ridiculous thing in a halo crossover with star wars
clear island
Imagine the fleeting terror of being in a longsword during something like Reach.
cedar surge
UNSC guns having forerunner factories in them, along with marines having shielding around the time of halo 4 -5
vague scroll
I’m pretty sure my naval lingo was completely inaccurate but that’s okay probably
inner basin
Because smaller ships are more vulnerable and are more interesting
Well that's because if you're invested in the characters aboard a smaller ship, then there's greater stakes considering is is more vulnerable
vague scroll
Bigger ships can have big stakes and investment as well, it’s all a matter of how you write it
cedar surge
Maybe the big ship is carrying thousands of civilians
inner basin
Well that requires better writing, Distant. Something I'm still working on. I feel smaller ships are a bit easier to write about when putting investment and stakes into it
vague scroll
Well, I was just thinking that If you have a charismatic, easy to understand ship commander - you can get enjoyment out of that
There are advantages to smaller ships, I won’t lie
Mostly a smaller crew meaning less characters to focus on and less disconnection from the action I guess
cedar surge
Like if your characters were fighting the covenant in a Paris class rather than a Punic class you would be more worried for them in the paris
inner basin
From a canon perspective, there are 1000s of smaller ships, not so much for bigger ships. I try not to step on the canon's toes too much.
cedar surge
How about starfighter combat?
inner basin
Haven't really ventured into that too much
vague scroll
1st rule of star fighter combat, it’s not actually star fighter combat 😛
cedar surge
What do you mean by that distant
vague scroll
Star Wars is “not” a realistic depiction of small vessel space combat
vague scroll
Yeah, so the way I’ve learned to look at space combat is to treat every fighter as corvette
Or a gunboat
cedar surge
Though I did see the UNSC get criticized for not having enough variants of fighters
The longsword is huge
vague scroll
For good reason
inner basin
Well they have 3 easy ones to write about
cedar surge
I heard somebody say that they should put turrets on it
vague scroll
That wouldn’t be a bad idea in all honesty
cedar surge
Wouldn't the longsword be to fast for that?
vague scroll
No since speed is relative in space
inner basin
Eh, they aren't used for direct combat too much though
vague scroll
Just because you turn off your thrusters doesn’t mean you stop moving
cedar surge
I thought the longsword was the primary UNSC fighter before broadswords
inner basin
It's more used for guiding nukes and other armaments etc
vague scroll
Space is frictionless, without a force acting upon you - you can keep moving for whatever long period of time
Long swords are more equivocal to space interceptors
cedar surge
So eventually a longsword can go faster than Slipspace?
vague scroll
No
The speed of light, C, is a universal constant
Only way to beat it is to bend the laws of physics, or rather in Halo’s case - create wormholes
vague scroll
Sure, drones are pretty ubiquitous technology in war
inner basin
I mean I've only used Drones for like recon missions, not for combat
cedar surge
A marine sitting snugly on a ship somewhere using his drone to fight covenant
inner basin
I had mild inspiration from HW2. The ODST Squad Sunray 1-1 to be specific
vague scroll
I’ve been unapologetically borrowing the concept of semi-autonomous spider tank drones from Ghost in the Shell
clear island
You could use a drone for designation of targets.
vague scroll
Since I am not a fan of the ONI Quad Walker concept from the Halo Mega-Construx sets
clear island
Not really seeing the practicality of it
vague scroll
It’s supposed to be the human response to the Covenant Locust but yeah never really liked it
As for practicality, walkers are nice for places where wheeled vehicles can’t go
Particularly, mountains and narrow city streets
That’s why I favored a spider tank - closer to the ground, smaller in size, closer in function to saddle drones
Can climb mountains, go where people can go
clear island
Also hard for it to be boarded unless the opponent has a vantage to jump onto it
jovial temple
Why wouldn’t they be?
DARE had played a major part just after halo 5
And ONI is always keeping secrets
plain sierra
was thel vadam supreme commander before he became the arbiter
round comet
yes.
jovial temple
Oh you talking about specific ONI officers in particular?
round comet
i am talking about ONI being a significant part of the story
heavy sapphire
they always have been
round comet
they could be there behind the scenes certainly.
but not in the game's narrative.
however..its unlikely, not impossible.
heavy sapphire
jovial temple
It wouldn't be halo without ONI
Even in the stories that don't mention anything about them, they usually play some significance
and if any newcomer is suppose to be able to play this game without reading any prior books than the events of alpha-nine will most likely be explained somewhere
round comet
yes which is why i said that its unlikely that theyd be in infinite but will probably be doing something behind the scenes
jovial temple
indeed
quartz ruin
i havent voluntarily read a book in years and i started on the halo books and i dont regret it
versed helm
Think a Spartan 2 could defeat a Jedi Master in CQC?
quartz ruin
well as we saw in halo 4 theres nothing they can do against the force
versed helm
Yeah, but it also depends on how synchronised the user is with the Force.
untold snow
Hey new to the franchise and have beaten reach and CE, and just want to clarify, the Covenant considered the Halo a religious monument, right?
dim imp
Yes, what about it?
untold snow
Is that ever explained why in CE? Maybe I missed it haha
dim imp
Forerunners, the ones that constructed the Halo ring, are considered as gods by the Covenant
Everything that is forerunner is a godly artefact for them
untold snow
ohh they know about the forerunners, I didn't know that, thank you! 🙂
dim imp
👌
quartz ruin
still confused about how ||sgt johnson made it off halo||
dim imp
||What if he just didn't||
jovial temple
||He managed to find a pelican with a couple other marines ||
||And master chief almost shot him ||
lethal comet
||The halo graphic novel explains how he didn't get infected||
The real mystery is how stacker made it off halo
pure girder
Imagine making it off of halo
lethal comet
Why do all pelican pilots with chief have to crash land
carmine sleet
The pilot who dropped him off in the Halo 3 level The Covenant didn't crash land
copper fossil
Y'all know how some folk figured out parts of the Sangheili language? I wonder if there are people capable of speaking what translated parts are present. I mean in our world, I know full well that Vale can.
lethal comet
The pilot who dropped him off in the Halo 3 level The Covenant didn't crash land
yeah he died while crash landing
take the landing out
every pelican pilot crashes
lethal comet
the maw, outskirts, the covenant etc
copper fossil
One of these days the crash landing will just be him tripping and falling if it
's impossible to work in a vehicle or portal
lethal comet
brohammer is continuing the tradition except he didnt die
copper fossil
Hit enter too early, whoope
lethal comet
hes the only pilot who doesnt die
versed helm
cause brohammer
lethal comet
he has plot armor
copper fossil
All pilots Chief comes in contact with -eventually- die, some later than others
copper fossil
Chief is just a bad omen for pilots
inner basin
Well I mean Hocus was the pilot who dropped Chief off during the mission The Ark and the following mission The Covenant
versed helm
I wonder if we get to see Red Team in Infinite
lethal comet
I was more saddened by foehammer's death than even noble team
topaz chasm
Hi craig. It was nice seeing you on the HALO INFINITE trailer. Will you comeback on the actual game
versed helm
craig is life
lethal comet
versed helm
HAIL CRAIG
lethal comet
out of all the discord usernames i've had this month I am keeping this
versed helm
well, you are the official xbox mascot
lethal comet
(づ￣ ³￣)づ
inner basin
Master Craig Petty Officer
versed helm
craig 007
orchid prism
Notice me Craig senpai
versed helm
So is there an explanation for why the energy swords vanish in CE?
i personally think its a trigger switch
that the swords go kaboosh since nothing is holding it. but then the covies fixed it, cause it probably became a problem
like, if a sword wielder went for a bathroom break, he'd had to keep the sword down, but then the sword would vanish
What if it was an alternate hardlight gauntlet?
meaning?
It was integrated into their armour, preventing Chief from wielding it.
like ripa's swords?
I guess so.
inner basin
But you can still take those by shooting at the joining in the armour similar to what Forge did in HW1
versed helm
i guess its a combo of the gauntlet and the kill switch
forge got it before the timer timed out
inner basin
I think the safest bet is the kill switch. I heard that theory prior to today, so it's the more likely one
versed helm
but what;s the time of halo wars? the kill switch is out the window if it takes place during H2
inner basin
HW is around 2530 iirc. Pretty early in the war anyways
versed helm
kill switch is possible, then
inner basin
I think Ripa may've had a hardlight gauntlet due to him being an Arbiter as well, with his weapon of choice being duel swords, so it works regardless
versed helm
i think its both
orchid prism
What is the age of Arbiter? (From halo 2) guys?
lethal comet
elites can live for over 2 centuries so not an old man yet
terse lava
yea thel is only in his 70s, 74 as of 2559. as for Nizat, he was indeed 200 years old by earth years, but by Sanghhelios years he's 100.
so really thel isn't even that old at all
versed helm
like, he's 70 by human or by sangheili years?
cause im quite sure that sangheili dont really follow the cesearian calendar
or whatever our system is called
terse lava
I would think 74 by humans years
orchid prism
Also who is/was the oldest covvie in halo ?
orchid prism
Woah that's long
lucid depot
Has there been any official art
Of san'shyuum during forerunner days
I'm curious what they looked like
Apparently they looked less like humanoid slugs
terse lava
What do you mean what age the first flood form died at?
sharp adder
Like the first flood pure form like how old it was when it died
terse lava
Thanks to the flood's nature, that is pretty much asking which skin cell on a body died first.
versed helm
i guess that would be the primordial
sharp adder
True
versed helm
but even before that
lethal comet
over 10 million
terse lava
Well if you wanted to be more accurate it would be his state as a gravemind, with the body dying after a few years
versed helm
he was supposedly the last precursor
lethal comet
Buuut since graveminds can exist he is virtually immortal
terse lava
We see it being built on a fortress vessel when the didact was captured
lethal comet
Anyone else feel like 343 threw forerunner lore into the bin after h4
versed helm
his primordial form was a billion years old before the death by aging thing
lethal comet
after the renegades we just let go of the characters
versed helm
well, there are only three books
lethal comet
rip forthenco
sharp adder
Then oldest forms are the ones in stsis image finding a gravmind frozen in ice
versed helm
where do we find cryo'd flood forms?