Not even the covenant could beat the power of the hog
#lore-and-universe
cedar surge
versed helm
The thing’s tough enough to survive extreme falls and has CNT tires. It’s like getting hit by a 3 tonne sledgehammer moving 50 miles an hour lol
versed helm
Arent there humans on Installation 07
unique rune
Got Bad Blood checked off the list of stuff I needed to read... just under 3 hours.
Was an entertaining read but a lot of it did feel very... convenient.
I should really get to sleep at this point.
lethal comet
good night
versed helm
Discordions be like: “Goodnight” Current time: 7:00AM
cedar surge
Wow you read books fast
vale pendant
during the battle of earth
was this basically the final place where humanity was fighting
or where there still battles taking place on other planets
spice ore
If I understand correctly, the little colony named Tribute was also targeted by the covenant in 2552, but I think it occurred before the attack on Earth
spice ore
Not much but yeah
vale pendant
so in a worse case the covenant did fall, some splinter faction with enough forces should still eradicate humanity
as humans has no much to use for defences?
spice ore
Depends, I guess there was a lot of Human survivors hidden across the colonies
And there was still some active naval fields, like the Infinity one, so Humanity basically rebuilt a bit of it's fleet between Halo 3 and 5
scarlet topaz
Sup people, got a question about the Halo rings. If i am correct there have been built 2 Arks, The greater Ark and Installation 0. The greater ark produced 12 rings with a diameter of 30k I thought and the current halo array 10k. So where are all the 12 old rings? Sorry if i am unclear
carmine sleet
All but one were destroyed, with the last remaining one becoming Zeta Halo of the current array
scarlet topaz
So that does mean the Greater Ark still exist somewhere or has that been destroyed too?
carmine sleet
The Greater Ark was destroyed when the Flood attacked it during the Forerunner-Flood War
versed helm
Only the lesser ark exist now
versed helm
I always wonder how did the ark know that installation 04 was destroyed
feral perch
Forerunner devices communicate with each other
fringe robin
indeed, I would imagine they do frequent "checks" with the installations and if an installation fails to respond it automatically starts the process of creating a new ring assuming that it has been lost
or the rings may send out an SOS if it detects destruction is imminent
versed helm
You know I’ve been thinking. Are John’s co-op partners in Halo CE, 2 and 4 canon? Like are they clones of Chief?
Does Chief have 1-3 identical clones lying around just in case?
autumn quiver
def not in CE its just a clone lmao
last anchor
Oh but this is still active, interesting
versed helm
Halo 3 and 5 are the only campaigns with canon co-op partners. And maybe Spartan ops, but we dont talk about that.
last anchor
Well yeah but thats an ODST squad
Crimson is the team that was the protagonists of Spartan Ops
versed helm
But a campaign regardless
last anchor
Fair
versed helm
I wonder if halo infinites campaign will work exactly like gears 5's with multiple traversal areas and hidden unlockables
Regarding the communications with the other rings, I believe since 343 guilty spark couldnt speak to the other arrays for 1000s of years because of the other monitors fears of the flood using the communication to track down the installations, leading to the replacement for the ring chief destroyed only being found missing when delta halo and the other rings communicated and not being sooner.
Or something like that
terse lava
Funny how delta halo apparently didn't, or couldn't communicate with the ark or other halos about the massive flood infestation and the monitor being captured. You would think such a problem would be taken into account by the forerunnerw
cedar surge
If a monitor gets corrupted do they make a new one?
dim imp
What do you mean corrupted ? Rampant ? Under the Logic Plague ?
terse lava
it oddly doesn't appear so, seeing as 2401 was lax in duties and never replaced
sly yew
Question about the whole co-op thing. What were the names for the other elites if you’re doing a 4 person co-op on H3?
Or are they just random elites
dim imp
N'tho 'Sraom and Usze 'Taham
loud rose
i think i could maybe google this but why was 117 frozen in the pillar of autumn? did he fight on reach? why freeze him at all?
dim imp
That's called cryosleep, it freezes you into sleep and prevents you to get older during that time during slipspace travel as they are not instantaneous and take several months most of the time
Also you don't need to eat, drink or anything
loud rose
so it was important for chief to be put under for that time but not anyone else in the crew?
dim imp
They were also under cryosleep but the crew was waken sooner as they are more necessary for the Pillar of Autumn
cedar surge
Also the trip from reach to the ring was 5 months I think
gilded mason
20 days, actually.
full forge
Keyes should've known that he was being followed and awoken everyone prior to exiting slip.
But let's be real here, that's the first scene of the entire series.
Bungie did what would look the most cool.
versed helm
Cryosleep is standard when going to slipspace travel
scarlet gyro
Wait five months on Slipspace?
That would explain the Covenant already on the ring and all
They're faster so i guess they took a week instead or something, idk
gilded mason
Wait five months on Slipspace?
It was 20 days
cedar surge
My question is why Keyes himself thinks its a good idea to attack the covenant personally leading to him getting infected by the flood
Also is it specified if UNSC ships can get explosions trapped under shields like the covenant did
vapid willow
So what is the official status of the san'shyuum race? Extinct? Hiding?
gilded mason
Many of the surviving ones went into hiding, yes
Though unless they can figure out a solution to the now extremely depleted genetic pool, they might as well be extinct.
(Unless their homeworld turns out to be okay)
spice ore
Backfire of being jerks toward the whole galaxy xD
I mean, they're a***holes since the Forerunner Era
gilded mason
Now now, let's not paint 'em all under the same brush. 😉
spice ore
Why not :p
gilded mason
'Cuz it's wude
spice ore
I prefer sangheilis anyway
vapid willow
Some tried to rebel against the Forerunners in the Long Long Ago.
spice ore
The prophets can go to the void
Some tried to rebel against the Forerunners in the Long Long Ago.
@vapid willow Yeap
vapid willow
Though I guess the honorable ones all died when it failed back then.
gilded mason
Nah, we got guys like Zo Resken in the modern era that are good people.
spice ore
Who's this ?
gilded mason
One of the San'Shyuum protagonists in Broken Circle
terse lava
A san shyuum who helped the sangheili
gilded mason
He stood up against Truth's schemes at risk of his own death to do so
spice ore
Ooooooh never knew about this one, he's in a novel then
gilded mason
Yeah, I doubt Zo was an isolated personality amongst the San'Shyuum population
he's in a novel then
Ye
vapid willow
I just saw that polygon video about the guy who read every novel over the last year. It was pretty good.
spice ore
Oooooh
terse lava
Broken Circle best halo book
spice ore
Broken Circle best halo book
@terse lava The sangheili has spoken, I have faith in your words
xD
terse lava
Excellent
spice ore
Question : Does a novel talks about R'tas Vadumee, the Shipmaster ?
terse lava
Yes
spice ore
I need it
terse lava
Shadow of Intent
spice ore
Alright, thanks !
terse lava
Welcome
scarlet gyro
Lmfao a living Sangheili
spice ore
Isn't that wonderful ?
Still I'm disappointed the ONI is against a real cooperation between mankind and Sangheilis, a real shame
Even more when you know what the ONI did on Sanghelios
terse lava
Never liked ONI anyway
versed helm
Do the covant give birth? Some explain how that even works
gilded mason
Sangheili and some others lay eggs, but other than that, things are pretty similar, as expected.
terse lava
Yea nothing really odd, although funny enough. Forerunners had a different way of reproducing compared to their ancestors 10 million years prior
spice ore
How did they do ?
cedar surge
Did Cole have the highest kill count in the human covenant war?
He destroyed two fleets that combined had over 300 ships
And battlegroup India wasn't even destroyed
terse lava
@spice ore never said, just that the primitive forerunners the modern ones found were disappointed when they looked at the two female lifeworkers bodies
spice ore
Oh :0
terse lava
@cedar surge he did until Whitcomb whipped out almost 500 covenant vessels
cedar surge
Even when you die in a cool way somebody is gonna try to one up you later
spice ore
I think it's their biggest mistake
Causing a schism during a war, almost won war maybe, but still...
Causing a genocide toward your main and most efficient military units
That's a really bad tactic
versed helm
Never trust oni
gilded mason
Truth, specifically.
cedar surge
If the prophets didn't cause the schism they could have won
Sure the civil war would have come later but they would have destroyed humanity
Is it even possible for the covenant to totally destroy humanity?
gilded mason
There could always be small pockets left that try to hide
cedar surge
What about ones hiding in bunkers, or hiding in slipspace
gilded mason
But any actual presence they once had would be gone
cedar surge
Maybe a tiny guerrilla war
Like stealing one of those covenant support ship classes that feed fleets
inner basin
Those ships would likely be of the upmost importance to the Covenant so they’d ensure that they’d be heavily protected. As for the small-scale Guerrilla war, I’m sure that would lead to humanity’s existence more quickly than hiding away
cedar surge
Well there will be some who fight back. Or at least try to fight back
vapid willow
Are there still preserved samples of species from before the firing of the Array, or were they all used up?
cedar surge
I think they have some left over in case they need to fire again
vapid willow
So humanity could theoretically return from that, just from square one.
inner basin
Well not necessarily square one, they could introduce the “new” humans to their technology that they have scavenged etc.
Although if the Covenant was successful in winning the war they’d likely be wanting to light the rings, complete the “Great Journey”
gilded mason
Before getting to the appropriate tech level to appreciate it, I don't think humans could really do anything of significance with scavenged tech, if any tech would even be on the planet they get plopped on.
cedar surge
Humanity didn't get any easily accessible forerunner tech as the covenant did
Though humanity did get guidance
gilded mason
Ah, yes, their cheat codes.
cedar surge
Did the forerunners ever see something like the covenant comin
If you just left some super advanced tech and nobody there a religion is gonna start
inner basin
Well the Forerunners did plan for a great many things to happen, so it’s likely that they did see the Covenant becoming a thing. They maybe didn’t foresee how exactly things were gonna go down with the Covenant but they were probably were at least aware of a religion being built from just their mere presence being in the Galaxy before the array was fired
unique rune
Started Battle Born today. Only a few chapters into it... currently not really feeling the vibe I get from it.
gilded mason
The "Young Adult" feeling of it? Or something else?
unique rune
Not sure exactly.
terse lava
The forerunner would not be aware of something like the Covenant popping up, as it was more often tier 7 civs that would worship them. Like the reduced humans and the librarian
agile hollow
Halo the flood is awsome
unique rune
I think it might just be the sort of ‘normal civilian’ angle that Battle Born is going for that’s throwing me off.
Feels like a bit of a slow start to me as a result.
versed helm
WAIT a minute
The field guide states that an Unggoy can tear off “your” arm, in reference to the Spartan IV reader
gilded mason
Seems so
cedar surge
How is a grunt gonna rip off a arm of a armored spartan
I thought it referee to normal people
gilded mason
It seems to call back to that first sentence:
Take note of their size, Spartan.
craggy sierra
I think grunts have mad upper body strength. They’re built to climb rocks and mountains on their planet.
vague scroll
I emphasize the phrase “Crab Monkey” when discussing Unggoy
They might be just short of an average but they pack some big claw arms
sharp adder
dont forget infinty was also a ark that the cov didnt know about
agile hollow
I think grunts have mad upper body strength. They’re built to climb rocks and mountains on their planet.
@craggy sierra they are also really really good learners
so they can no how to rip
snow halo
if there were specimens of all kinds of species on the halo rings so they could revive them after the flood was gone, why did the forerunners still go extinct
except for like the didact
craggy sierra
Because the forerunners were guilty or something.
cedar surge
Did they just forget the d idact was on reqieum?
craggy sierra
It’s kinda dumb tbh.
radiant sphinx
No, the Didact was sealed on Requiem by his wife
So I guess he was protected?
Or forgotten
Maybe you’re right
craggy sierra
It’s dumb.
radiant sphinx
I’m not big into the ancient forerunner human stuff
craggy sierra
Both the forerunners reasoning for deleting themselves and the fact they saved the didact.
cedar surge
Did the forerunners use stuff like that forerunner moon that destroyed a colony to fight the flood?
craggy sierra
Probably
snow halo
they should just abandon a planet then lure a bunch of flood there then death star it
craggy sierra
Waaaait...are you talking about Onyx?
lethal comet
onyx was an entrance to trevelyan not a weapon
craggy sierra
Either case the flood wouldn’t go do something as stupid as throw all their forces at a single point to risk being wiped out in some bs deus ex machina...right?
why is Halo 3 stupid?
cedar surge
Well maybe the gravemind just absorbed some very stupid people on high charity and got dumber? But yea the flood wouldn't do that,that would be super stupid
They are not going to do the same thing over and over again
craggy sierra
That’s literally what they did in Halo 3
cedar surge
Well the ark was the higher priority
Plus only a single ship and HC managed to break the blockade
The elites destroyed every other ship
craggy sierra
They all just went to the ark without the gravemind taking the time to ensure a contingency in the galaxy in the form of sending some ships to other planets and colonies to begin infection while he’s away.
cedar surge
The gravemind can't. The elites were destroying every flood infested ship
craggy sierra
He seemed to have no issues getting one to earth
cedar surge
Only one ship actually broke the blockade
craggy sierra
And with all the resources if high charity he never had more in docks he could’ve called on after the city was moved?
cedar surge
The e l its were destroying any ship trying to escape
craggy sierra
And there were none left in the docks after high charity itself moved?
cedar surge
Or the elites could have destroyed the ships in the dock
Plus going back to that death star planet idea, one there is way to many flood for them to be contained to a entire planet
Two the flood wouldn't just throw every single flood form in the galaxy at a single planet
3 in not sure if the forerunners could even do that without messing something up
cedar surge
Imagine losing a war
-this post was made by the UNSC gang
versed helm
I’m not a fan of Unggoy being strong enough to rip a Spartan’s arm off. I understand the coy and subtle “funny humorous being is actually scary powerful” motif, but to that degree is just crushing to the setting
Belittling the power of higher-tier characters when they can manage that by themselves
By that scaling, we have Grunts stronger than Atriox being overpowered by Jackals.. :/
swift cliff
Imagine having a rule 34 ai and not a literal war general ai that destroyed the flood
-this post was made by the forerunner gang
verbal mountain
Nice
lethal comet
imagine losing your capital to you own ai
-this post was made by the flood gang
carmine sleet
I’m not a fan of Unggoy being strong enough to rip a Spartan’s arm off. I understand the coy and subtle “funny humorous being is actually scary powerful” motif, but to that degree is just crushing to the setting
When did a Grunt rip off a Spartan's arm?
round comet
yeah i dont remember that happening
sharp adder
Well they are stronger than humans i think jackals are 2
rocky vector
So I always wanted to ask this and try to get an answer to this as I'm new to Halo lore and I just finish Fall of Reach, but this question has nothing to do with that. In any case, in Halo 3 we see that a new halo is being built and Master Chief and everyone in an agreement to light the ring. Now why would they do this? As far as I know in Halo CE the ring is suppose to kill sentient life from a very large distance and make the flood starve. So why does Chief want to light it? Is this a retcon to Halo CE or is every ring different on what they can do? From my understanding when one ring gets lit up the others are suppose to activate and light as well but then we stopped Truth from doing this and still lighted the ring? Is there any explanation to why this happens? Is this a retcon to what we use to know?
versed helm
A grunt can rip a spartan's arm off?
@rocky vector its a premature ring and has not been fully built any sort of firing would cripple the ring destroying the ring and everything on it. 343 gulty spark was fond of the idea of reclaiming and using the ring as it was in his programming to first gain a new installation and secondly destroy the flood infection. He then realized what Johnson and Chief were truly trying to do once he saw the state of the unfinished ring
I also suggest looking up hiddenxperia and/or installation 00 on information on the subject or any other halo confusions you may hAve
rocky vector
Thanks, Yeah I've looked this up in the past and I couldn't really find a way to either word my question correctly or find an answer. But to what you say is true then it being a premature ring you would think that firing the ring wouldn't be a viable action because its still being built so you may think that you wouldn't be able to fire the ring in the first place because it hasn't been built yet or that there would precautions to doing so at an early stage or a ring being built
versed helm
You also have take count the ring was nearly finish because I believe I don’t quote me on this that installation 04 replacement installation 08 started being built right after installation 04 was destroy
I believe also spark was afraid because the new ring hadnt even been test fired
I believe Atriox is such a fantastic villan with an interesting backstory. Im still confused as to what his goals are. Is it galactic domination?
stiff creek
Pretty sure it's to redeem the Jiralhanae pride as a whole.
Escharum seems to have bent that goal though.
He seems like a bit of a butt face.
lethal comet
I believe Atriox is such a fantastic villan with an interesting backstory. Im still confused as to what his goals are. Is it galactic domination?
The banished is primarily a mercenary organisation but Atriox plans to dominate the whole Orion arm
Eschauram seems to put Atriox's plan into action by taking down the UNSC
feral perch
I believe Atriox is such a fantastic villan with an interesting backstory. Im still confused as to what his goals are. Is it galactic domination?
@versed helm
Atriox went to the Ark to get a Halo. He has plans for the Orion arm of the galaxy that involve a Halo.
terse lava
yea, come to think of it never considered before. Why did 09 take so long when we saw the previous one take just a few months? Seems it should have been sent out long before
carmine sleet
Ok, question regarding the Forerunner Flood War, just to be clear, it only took place in the Milky Way, right? I have someone trying to tell me it took place in other galaxies as well as ours but I'm sure they're incorrect in saying that
agile hollow
the flood are in othe galaxys
but not the forerunners as far as I knw
Its canon this brutes name is craig
main siren
Yeah, the Forerunner-Flood war only took place in Milky Way
versed helm
Yep though its crazy to think they're in other galaxies just going through intergalactic space ready to consume. If thats the casevthere truly is no cure for the flood.
I mean installation 09 construction took place between December 2552 and March 2559
main siren
There was never any cure for the Flood. They just conveniently chose not to infect ancient humans, deceiving the Forerunners
versed helm
@terse lava so it’s took the ark 7 years to finish 09
terse lava
I am guessing without the monitr around, the ark just held it
unique rune
Maybe the damage to the Ark after 08’s firing and destruction slowed its progress?
versed helm
That could be the reason why
meager schooner
Flood is a parasitic organism that taps into a hosts nueral system on microcellular level to retain previous nueron firing to tap memories
So, effectively, there isnt a cure
humble yacht
I am guessing without the monitr around, the ark just held it
Maybe the ark didn’t begin replacement construction until the ark had repaired itself sufficiently
meager schooner
Dont the rings get constructed if one gets destroyed?
Or is it just if ones severely damaged?
humble yacht
Replacements only get made for destroyed rings. Damaged rings can self repairs to a degree
glacial gulch
where can I read the lore?
humble yacht
You can find the halo novels at any place you can buy books
Most should also be available digital or audiobook
The comics might be harder to find
The web series are available on halo channel and should be working again
feral perch
My local B&N has copies of most of the comic series, so if you have one nearby you could check.
Barnes and Noble that is
last anchor
I would assume most large chain stores would have at least the most recent ones.
Also Itunes has almost all of them in digital iPod form
Thats how I read Shadow of Intent and Saints Testamony
spiral jewel
Stupid question: how does Fred outrank John (I've seen people like Halo Canon , Installation00 and HiddenXperia mention this on occasion in some of their older videos, but I've never figured out how this outranking would be possible. )
gilded mason
Why wouldn't it be possible?
unique rune
Yeah, it’s... really not any more complicated than 104 is a commissioned officer, 117 isn’t.
cedar surge
I think it was kurt
feral perch
Fred was promoted by Kurt-051 to the rank of Lieutenant, Junior Grade.
Sam was only 7'4" in Mjolnir. Kurt was 8'2" in SPI. Kurt was definitely bigger.
gusty star
He may have been shorter than Sam when he was still alive
unique rune
Sam was only 7'4" in Mjolnir. Kurt was 8'2" in SPI. Kurt was definitely bigger.
Huh. Jeez.
cedar surge
Did the covenant treat hunting Spartans as a holy act?
dim imp
They get trophies from them so I guess it has some kind of importance
feral perch
I don't think it was considered a holier deed than the extinction of humanity overall.
golden flame
I hope one day we learn about the primordial. What a fascinating part of the lore.
inner basin
Killing a Spartan was a huge deal though. I remember one Elite describing how he killed a Spartan, I think during the Harvest Campaign
Here’s the quote here - "Brother 'Crolunee, rejoice, for the green monster is no more, banished by the righteous might of our forces. My Needler has never had truer aim. Each shard unerringly found its mark across the field of battle. Why, even now, the Unggoy make sport with the green abomination's helmet."
feral perch
That sounds like Daisy.
inner basin
Nah, it’s an unidentified Spartan currently, but also Daisy wore Red Mjolnir, whereas the Elite describes the Spartan as a “green abomination” unless that part is retconned
It is speculated to be Joseph-122 because he along with Keiichi-047 are unaccounted for after the Harvest Campaign. I hear you ask why it isn’t possible for it to be Keiichi, and I say it’s more unlikely to be him because he was seen later fighting during a sunny period, whereas this unidentified Spartan was seen fighting during a dark period, likely when Alpha base was up and running
feral perch
Alpha base on Alpha Halo?
inner basin
Alpha Base on Harvest
feral perch
Hm.
inner basin
There are multiple Alpha Bases from different battles. They’re typically just the primary operating bases for the UNSC on that planet
For example there was maybe an Alpha Base on both Reach and Tribute
inner basin
When you look at things on a grand scale it can get confusing but it’s just temporary for the local forces at that location
inner basin
Indeed
obsidian thistle
Still amazed marketing got away with killing a Spartan.
inner basin
Cough cough, Deliver Hope, cough cough
Tbf though, Deliver Hope was sick marketing even if it did kill off a Spartan
versed helm
Its cute the Gao Battle Jumpers think theyre so elite dropping in atmo. Have they heard of an ODST or any Spartan 2 because every Spartan 2 loves to jump from orbit towards their goal planetside
cedar surge
Didn't know Spartans were on harvest
inner basin
They were there for the prolonged campaign, Lance
cedar surge
Was it during the first or second battle
gilded mason
The latter
inner basin
I just call it the Harvest Campaign
cedar surge
Harvest must have been the third largest battle in the war
2 is earth and 1 is reach
inner basin
Although the UNSC won Harvest in the end, it was costly and partly glassed
cedar surge
Earth is two because the UNSC was scrapping together everything they had
gilded mason
Harvest took place over 5 years, so...
cedar surge
I count reach as the largest because the amount if fighting there is many
versed helm
I still get tears in my eye about losing Reach the loss of so many spartans at once
cedar surge
Millions upon millions of marines, along with odsts and Spartans were defending reach
inner basin
Yet it still fell
gilded mason
Good times, good times...
inner basin
I mean part of that is also due to the strategy that ONI employed during the Battle
versed helm
Not counting the loss of Reach civillians all trying to evacuate
And im pretty sure had more orbital defences than earth or am i wrong?
inner basin
Reach was the UNSC’s major military complex though
It’s kinda weird
That combined with the planet being larger than Earth, is just even weirder
cedar surge
The covenant must have saw it as the holiest campaign in the war to destroy humans
versed helm
Always remember Noble Team my fellow humans
inner basin
Not just Noble, remember Reach as a whole
gilded mason
my fellow humans
Riiiight
versed helm
The Covenant half the time didnt know what they were doinf they just stumble upon planets looking for forerunner tech
inner basin
my fellow humans
Riiiight
You ever step out of your Sanghelli character?
gilded mason
Yeh
inner basin
Okay, good. You had me worried there
cedar surge
Harvest and reach would be a goldmine for tech
Two of the largest battles in the war with nobody on them
versed helm
Honestly Harvest has been fought on so many times only the precursor's know whats left in terms of tech
When was Reach recolonized was it post 2558 or earlier
cedar surge
Imagine being the elite who failed to beat the UNSC off harvest twice
inner basin
Well I mean Earth had the portal to the Ark and they never knew about it, well at least until Dr Endesha started doing tests, but by then the Covenant had arrived
cedar surge
How to get a free arbiter
gilded mason
elite who failed to beat the UNSC off
How shameful!
versed helm
Who to trust more a kig yar or jiralhanae
inner basin
I’d probably go with Brute because you can outsmart them if they try anything
gilded mason
Kig-Yar. They may be smelly. And dumb. And ugly. But they've got heart.
inner basin
Kig-Yar are the definition of Snakes if you ask me
versed helm
Both wrong Lekgolo always choose lekgolo because fusion rod canons
Kig yar are really untrustworthy their species is literally known for piracy and treachery, along with San Shayum
cedar surge
I chose the drones
gilded mason
I think saying "all members of a species are [insert characteristic here]" is a bit...not so good.
versed helm
Wasnt it the forerunners who thought Manipulation was an actual genetic characteristic of San Shayum?
gilded mason
Don't think so.
versed helm
I gotta check up on the lore
gilded mason
A human did say roughly "Ah, so San'Shyuum still have manipulators? I see that hasn't changed."
versed helm
I think my biggest fear for halo infinite is the amount of lore 343 has to accomodate for it. The Created, the Banished, the Flood, our boy Mendicant Bias, information on the Primordial. The literal Palace of Pain, the reoccurance of the flood. Its a lot
I do want definitive Craig lore though a side story like dadab
inner basin
Both wrong Lekgolo always choose lekgolo because fusion rod canons
Can I go back to this? How are we are wrong? You only gave two choices
versed helm
Im joking
inner basin
Hmm. Jokes are supposed to be funny
cedar surge
Do you think anybody got p.o. punished for the covenant losses at harvest?
They lost many troops and ships to the UNSC in the campaign
Still imagine being a covenant war denier,thinking it's a UNSC ploy until the covenant show up in force at your colony
People did believe the war wasn't even real right?
Or was it they believed the UNSC started it
cedar surge
The UNSC did pull some shady stuff
Like totally not kidnapping children and replacing them with flash clones
But pretending to fight a entire war?
How would you explain millions of soldiers going missing
gilded mason
Remember that communication was slow back then
It probably wasn’t really that noticeable
unique rune
People will find any reason to vehemently deny something if they genuinely believe it
gilded mason
And that
cedar surge
They must have felt stupid when their home turned into shiny glass
Or not
They could just make up the lie of it being the UNSC in costumes
unique rune
They’d probably go on about how it’s a UNSC conspiracy to hide that they’re cooperating with aliens and their home was destroyed because they knew too much
cedar surge
Because the UNSC cares so much about backwater conspiciry theorists that they would destroy a entire colony
Still the nobody post war can match admiral cole
Who else can say they destroyed over 300 covenant ships
feral perch
yeah but Infinity can ram Covenant ships with its prow
cedar surge
Sure but its always running
Cole wasn't in a supership that could ram covenant ships
west silo
Who else can say they destroyed over 300 covenant ships
@cedar surge
Masterchief
unique rune
Ah, yes, Chief's impressive record of... destroying Covenant ships.
...Sure.
west silo
U guys remember first strike right?
cedar surge
Isn't that the book where the only thing that happens is they blowup a space station?
west silo
And the 500 ships with it yes
unique rune
I mean I'd argue those can't all be associated with Chief.
Considering it was kind of a team effort.
gilded mason
^
cedar surge
Doesn't this mean that the UNSC easily could have destroyed over a thousand ships during the war
west silo
Yep
gilded mason
Not really. These were kinda special circumstances
cedar surge
I mean in total
unique rune
Even if the UNSC destroyed thousands over the course of the war, the Covenant easily would've had tens of thousands more.
cedar surge
Cole alone in one battle destroyed over 300 ships
With his fleet
And Spartans in first strike destroyed 500
west silo
And halo oblivion has a covenant fleetof 4000.I think
cedar surge
Was it destroyed?
feral perch
No.
cedar surge
I think any UNSC admiral would have a heart attack apon seeing it
Wonder where it went
Hope they don't pull a rise of Skywalker and just have the fleet hiding somewhere for the banished to use
west silo
They probably broke it up into multiple fleets to find human planets quicker
cedar surge
You thinksome of those ships were at the battle of psi serpentus?
west silo
I am more curious about when they started the construction of the cso in the that was probably suppose to lead the fleet
You thinksome of those ships were at the battle of psi serpentus?
@cedar surge.
To long that takes place like 15 or more years into the war
cedar surge
Post war is more boring to me than during war
Though that might be attributed to the fact that everything post war is in shambles
The UNSC,covenant remnants, everybody
And Halsey somehow survived a punch to the face from a Spartan?
west silo
And Halsey somehow survived a punch to the face from a Spartan?
@cedar surge
Oh nooooo
gilded mason
Let us not speak of those books
west silo
Hey now smoke and shadow and renegades were pretty good and envoy to an extent
gilded mason
I'm talkin' about Kilo-5
west silo
I'm talkin' about Kilo-5
@gilded mason
Dear god
gilded mason
Halsey is actually a precursor
gilded mason
And meanwhile, they all love ONI
cedar surge
Even the person who approved the Spartan 3 program
This is even coming from the people who are trying to attempt genocide
west silo
My biggest grip about it is that the oynx sentinels arent even mentioned they just disappear
Even the person who approved the Spartan 3 program
@cedar surge
Bbut they had a choice!!
cedar surge
I don't know saying "don't you want to avenge mommy and daddy" to a little kid doesn't sound like a choice
gilded mason
"Come into my van horrific military bootcamp. We have candy revenge for you."
west silo
"Come into my
vanhorrific military bootcamp. We havecandyrevenge for you."
@gilded mason
Proceeds to throw child out of a pelican
cedar surge
Has any pelican pilot that has transported Spartans ever survived
Oh yea the new pelican seems pretty tough
It survived two direct hits from AA canons
west silo
Has any pelican pilot that has transported Spartans ever survived
@cedar surge
Brohammer.............for now
cedar surge
The new brute dies from brohammer ramming him with a pelican into a volcano confirmed
Does zeta halo have volcanos?
west silo
kilo five trilogy is a favourite fo so many people
@fair hazel
Even funnier there's a new video where a guy outright says he prefers it to the original books
fair hazel
which is fine
west silo
I know it's was a good video
inner basin
Who else can say they destroyed over 300 covenant ships
@Dr.Lance#8076 Vice Admiral Danforth Whitcomb may not be able to claim the destruction of 300 ships, besides those that he assisted in being destroyed by luring them towards the Unyielding Hierophant in Operation: First Strike, but he sure as heck can claim responsibility for the deaths of Covenant that would be larger than a crew of 300 ships. I know I’m late to this, but I felt I had to had this
west silo
@cedar surge Vice Admiral Danforth Whitcomb may not be able to claim the destruction of 300 ships, besides those that he assisted in being destroyed by luring them towards the Unyielding Hierophant in Operation: First Strike, but he sure as heck can claim responsibility for the deaths of Covenant that would be larger than crew of 300 ships. I know I’m late to this, but I felt I had to had this
@inner basin
The nova bomb? In GoO
inner basin
Yes sir. Also there was no need to quote me. My message is right above lol, but it’s all good
west silo
Sorry it's a habit
inner basin
You’re all good. I can understand habits. I sometimes ping people without a need to do so
cedar surge
So if the UNSC managed to lure high charity near a gas giant and shoot nuclear missiles into the planet would that destroy high charity then and there? The covenant get so mad when people taunt them so they might give chase
inner basin
The Covenant wouldn’t sacrifice their Holy City for such a thing
west silo
They'd probably just snipe it for thousands of km away
cedar surge
Well the covenant did chase a single ship with 300 because he insulted them
inner basin
Chasing a single human ship with a fleet is far different than chasing a single ship with the Holy City
cedar surge
The jackals that were pirates must of had the time of their lives during the war
How do jackals interact with skirmishers? Do they think one is better than the other?
west silo
Is James 005 dead?
vapid willow
Last we saw of him he was floating through space during the fall of Reach, and they couldn't find him, so he's "MIA". But the same thing happened to Kurt, and we all know how that turned out.
vapid willow
As far as we know, no. But it isn't out of the question that ONI was involved, as James' transponder going dark was kind of suspicious, as only his thruster-pack was hit.
versed helm
I mean if ONI was involved let leave it at that
I hated how ONI tried to frame chief as going rouge after he stopped the terrorist attack on the Biko Peace talks
scarlet topaz
At the end of Halo 3 you can see what we now know is the Shield world Requim, did bungie left a script for what too do with Halo 4 or did 343 just go their own way?
versed helm
343 just did their own
When I mean did their own I mean pick up where bungee left off maybe bungee had a say but we don’t know
inner basin
I don’t think Bungie had a say in what to do with Halo after their contract with Microsoft ended. That doesn’t really make sense
versed helm
Or bungie gave what they had planned for halo 4 to 343
inner basin
I doubt they did. They probably only has as so much as a concept considering after Halo 3 Bungie made Reach. After that they were done with Halo
343 just logically picked up where the story was left off with Requiem being the focus
versed helm
I mean Microsoft was pushing bungie to make a halo games and that’s true
inner basin
I don’t see how that supports your assumptions
versed helm
I’m just stating facts that bungie fulfilled their contract with Microsoft and left them because they were only allowed to work on halo nothing else
inner basin
Yeah but how’s does that help support what you were saying earlier on how Bungie supposedly gave 343 what they had planned for Halo 4
I thought we were still having that discussion
versed helm
Idk lol
flat swift
I would like to know the lore behind ODSTs pls
inner basin
@flat swift https://www.halopedia.org/Orbital_Drop_Shock_Troopers It’s too expansive to explain so feel free to use this
flat swift
Ok thnx
versed helm
The ODST were designed to go behind enemy lines and attack from behind
cedar surge
Or be thrown at enemy vehicles with no regard to the odst like the halo wars 2 trailer shows
flat swift
Apperantly from a line I heard in a video about h4 dialoge a S4 says he fought alongside fred as an ODST
flat swift
I belive he said during harvest
flat swift
What is the history behind Buck and Veronica
I know that in H5 theres some dialoge about them
flat swift
Yes I know that I mean gow did they meat
versed helm
They met on castellaneta resort orbiting Saturn then they were force to work together on Mombasa buck proposed in the past at least a couple of time but they both know that it was a bad idea because of their jobs and the dangers that came with it
@flat swift
flat swift
Ok thnx
versed helm
Np
coarse hedge
Is there a Waypoint app so I can have my news on the go?
gilded mason
Probably
sly yew
Imagine worms
The Lekgolo ate minerals and when the Covenant found them even ate forerunner artifacts.
cedar surge
Now the galaxy have to fear halo hunters
dapper harbor
Didn't they ||eat someone|| in halo nightfall?
cedar surge
Might have
It would be surprising if any species in the covenant didn't eat a human
Elites are the exception
I'm not sure about the drones
But everybody else is yes
lethal comet
Elites are the exception
San Shyuum as well
Didn't they ||eat someone|| in halo nightfall?
The thanolekgolo were altered by the forerunners to fight the flood, so the flesh eating capability might have been a mutation to eat flood
humble yacht
That would be an ineffective way of dealing with flood. The infrared flood cells would just convert the worms into biomass from the inside out
lethal comet
arent the worms incompatible
humble yacht
Lekgolo aren’t suitable for making combat forms
Doesn’t mean they are immune to infection
carmine sleet
Anything that isn't useful for combat can be used in other areas by the Flood
modest bobcat
Plus, even if the Flood couldn’t use the Lekgolo, I think eating Flood Biomass is probably a great suicide method for just about any being in the universe.
echo tulip
Hey guys. Where should I start with getting into the deeper Halo lore?
modest bobcat
Books, dude.
carmine sleet
The Fall of Reach
modest bobcat
Though, if you want an easy method, there’s plenty of YouTubers who give okay summaries.
round comet
nope dont read or watch summaries
books and comics, start from fall of reach and finish the nylund books
modest bobcat
I’m giving the dude an easy intro, not homework.
echo tulip
Hahah cheers guys! I’ll look into it
humble yacht
The books and webseries are pretty available with some minor searching
I also don’t recommend YTers as they often frame their lore videos with their own biases and preferences. Also they tend to plug their own theories
It’s just not as pure a way of experiencing the lore
dim imp
I would still recommend Installation00 though, what you say doesn't seem to apply to him as far as I noticed
humble yacht
But why support some YTer who summarizes content when you could support the content itself?
dim imp
What do you mean support
humble yacht
If you watch a YT video, the YTer gets ad revenue and you then don’t go out and buy the novel
The actual author loses a sale and the YTer makes money instead
tame belfry
Jokes on u. I use adblock
feral perch
That’s possibly true, but I’m still going to make content.
Ah light mode. It’s very bright.
versed helm
Can we all agree that captain keys death was sad because if you watch the terminal you can tell he was trying to not to let the flood leave the ship and tried to locate earth
candid lion
Yes
cedar surge
Seeing any person getting infected by the flood is sad
Still its strange why a person thought we should be rooting for the flood as the next stage of life
humble yacht
You know what’s really sad about that? He struggled for nothing
Because the flood had known where earth was for 100,000 years
The only thing they lacked was a ship, really
terse lava
Its possible things like that arent accessible to a protogravemind
Just like how neural physics craziness wasnt accessible to the flood until they hit a critical mass
humble yacht
Sure but by the time the flood on that ring had gotten a ship ready for taking them off ring, they would have had to have a gravemind
The intergalactic stage comes after the coordinated stage
undone obsidian
Imagine if the flood had the ability to run a functional society
tame belfry
I mean, they only have 1 brain controlling them so I guess they are
terse lava
Not true Chim, we see the protogravemind on the Infinite succor ready the ship to go just fine without a gravemind.
plain sierra
activates halo ring
full forge
Flood hosts retain their knowledge. Which is why on the Mona Lisa pilots were targeted for noncombatic purposes.
On another topic: Cole's story lays open ended. What has become of him? Did the created find him?
carmine sleet
We have no clue what exactly happened with Cole after he disappeared but there is speculation he lived out the rest of his days happy
full forge
And how is Gray team doing? Did they get aboard Infinity after the Created's rampage?
main siren
All we know is that they were still active as part of ONI after the Carrow Conflict
cedar surge
Maybe Cole is still put there somewhere cruising on his valiant with his wife
Or maybe he got stick in slipspace
ebon cobalt
Master chief is a sheep
cedar surge
What?
jovial temple
tame belfry
Can I link videos here?
soft mango
when the flood gets into slipspace Pogchamp amirite
flat swift
Why is the army vad
terse lava
Huh?
unique rune
I would assume they meant 'bad'... but that doesn't exactly make things any more clear.
stark fern
how did the UNSC learn there were more than 2 rings between H2 and H3?
craggy sierra
The ending of H2 literally just shows a galactic diagram of the ring array
craggy sierra
It happens
cedar surge
Why is the UNSC army bad? Is that what you mean?
And I'm not sure why you think they are bad
craggy sierra
Yeah, they were only slightly fascist before the war started.
Daily reminder they kidnapped children and made them genetically modified super soldiers to stop some farmers from declaring independence.
They also kept marshal law in effect for more than a while after the war I believe.
unique rune
technically that was the Navy that did the kidnapping, not the Army
cedar surge
What
Most of the army doesn't even know where the Spartans came from
That's ONI and the navy fault@craggy sierra
Also you can't paint a entire faction as bad because the actions of the few
terse lava
Can with the flood
craggy sierra
The kidnapping children thing was kinda the more minor part of stopping farmers from having independence.
west silo
Weren't those farmers also nuking cities with millions of people?
gilded mason
That was some rebel cells after the civil war already blew up
west silo
With bombs specifically made to cause a horrible fallout that would last for years
gilded mason
Though make sure not to forget the atrocity of the UNSC obliterating the colony of Far Isle.
And in the UNSC's case, it isn't one of many independant factions, but the main opposition itself
west silo
Though make sure not to forget the atrocity of the UNSC obliterating the colony of Far Isle.
@gilded mason
Thing is we don't know the cause for the response of far isle
Even oni said it was too far
gilded mason
If even Serin Osman thinks it was depraved, then you know that there can't be any just cause for it
cedar surge
What about them selling out other colonies?
west silo
Exactly its left intentionally vague the commander of the ship might have even forced the crew to do it
What about them selling out other colonies?
@cedar surge
And this
Remember that time the innies used kids as hostages
gilded mason
I guess two things to note:
One is that "they" would in this case be a couple insurrectionist cells out out many other independent people's desire for autonomy
Two would be that, in the context of the situation, they were trying to figure out what strategy would lead to, at the very least, the non-UEG goverments' survival. Since at this point, that had to play a numbers game. Let the Covenant kill everyone, or see if they only want the UEG and will leave the Outer Colonies alone from whatever transgression the UEG did.
west silo
So betray there species and sellout billions of there people to die for their own survival
Ok
gleaming thicket
At least Halo 4 shows theres spme fallput over the origins of the spartan program
Halsey getting called out
inner basin
Halsey was a scapegoat for ONI. Her getting “called out” is to safe face
west silo
Exactly
gleaming thicket
Lets face it though, she never intended to save humanity. The spartans aren't "her children" and she should be tried alongside everyone who had a hand with the II programs
Sure, she was a scapegoat, but still she deserved it.
Kidnapping kids is a big no no in my book.
gilded mason
she never intended to save humanity.
I mean, she did. Her journal goes quite into it
west silo
Remember that guy who joined the innies and wanted to destroy the infinity because Hood gave him everything he ever want
gleaming thicket
Halsey: I'LL KIDNAP A THOUSAND CHILDREN BEFORE I LET HUMANITY DIE, AND I WILL SILENCE ANYONE WHO STANDS IN MY WAY!
gilded mason
It's more: Do nothing -> All humans die
Do this action -> Some humans die
west silo
she never intended to save humanity.
I mean, she did. Her journal goes quite into it
@gilded mason
How about giving them a fake choice knowing there going to die and treating them like canon fodder
gilded mason
Hm?
inner basin
Halsey: I'LL KIDNAP A THOUSAND CHILDREN BEFORE I LET HUMANITY DIE, AND I WILL SILENCE ANYONE WHO STANDS IN MY WAY!
Well actually it was nowhere near that number, but okay
west silo
It's more: Do nothing -> All humans die
Do this action -> Some humans die
@gilded mason
Allot of humans die
gilded mason
Which isn't "all"
west silo
Hm?
@gilded mason
The S3 program
gilded mason
Halsey wasn't involved with the S3 program, so...
gleaming thicket
The Spartans were not intended tonsave humanity at all though. They were meant to kill the rebels.
The covenant just made their existence more justifiable
gilded mason
I'm saying, Halsey believed that ending the rebellion violently will save the human race
gilded mason
I dunno man. I'm just telling you what she believed
west silo
Halsey wasn't involved with the S3 program, so...
@gilded mason
Thats the point there are worse people than halsey shes a scapegoat
gleaming thicket
She was an idiot for actually believing that then.
west silo
They would have started a civil war that would have devastated humanity like the brutes
inner basin
Okay how?
Well Halsey was studying some Scientists findings on how if the Innies continued it could lead to Humanity’s infighting for the next 1000 years, so Halsey proposed the S-II program
gilded mason
Of course, the best course of action would have been to lessen their stranglehold on the outer colonies and actually provide outlets for their grievances.
west silo
Of course, the best course of action would have been to lessen their stranglehold on the outer colonies and actually provide outlets for their grievances.
@gilded mason
The caa were corrupt remember downplaying how bad it really was until it was too late
The ueg had to clean up the mess
And no ftl communications and slow ftl made diplomatic meeting harder
terse lava
Either way the UEG screwed themselves by ignoring the unrest
cedar surge
Well yea
But now that what's left of the government is on the run they could restructure it
west silo
Either way the UEG screwed themselves by ignoring the unrest
@terse lava
Technically the CAA but yeah
terse lava
True
cedar surge
Does UNSC teritorry post war include the glassed planets
west silo
Maybe? They are working on Meridean , harvest and reach so who knows
lethal comet
Just want to add that the spartan program is the assembly of mind's doing
After discovering Onyx they set the orion project in motion to be ready to face aliens and the spartans were a result of that
The assembly is very underrated
west silo
Man I hate the assembly
terse lava
Think the Assembly may have been retconned out
west silo
Are they ever reference again outside of that one datapad
lethal comet
there are nineteen data pads
In 2415, 48452-556-EPN644 of the Committee of Minds for Security presented the idea that the members occasionally separate from the Assembly and submit themselves for vivisection by the humans for the benefit of both groups, with the intent of being the first himself. The discussion continued in 2491, when the Minority noted that 48452-556-EPN644's submission to UNICOM would spark a new interest to the ORION Project, which they wanted to present as a viable solution to the Carver Findings.
west silo
Reminds me of the time hunters had spines
inner basin
Think the Assembly may have been retconned out
Is there anything to suggest this? Afaik they can still co-exist with the current canon
fair hazel
i think frankie's or grim's comments
saying they could essentially be in universe glorified fan fiction or something liket that s
soft mango
Me and the boys returning back home at Reach after the big war. OH. uh, oh. Unpogchamp, indeed
flat swift
So whats the year that the events of halo goes
fair hazel
@flat swift like, the games?
flat swift
Yeah
fair hazel
I accidentally put a year more and went with it. When i was writing it i was thinking, halo 4 takes also place same year as infinite in spartan ops
flat swift
Ok thnx thought that halo reach was 2525 for some season lol
flat swift
Also another question how long are Spartans supposed to live
gilded mason
Unknown
flat swift
isn't John like 60
gilded mason
Nope
inner basin
No, he’s reaching his 50s (chronologically), but being in cryo can slow down ageing to a degree (but we don’t know how effective it is)
flat swift
How old os John
gilded mason
49 chronologically, but you gotta take into account the four years in cryo, plus all the additional years he might've accumilated in cryo over the decades
inner basin
I mean I just said that lol
gilded mason
Yeah, I didn't see ya lol
inner basin
Guess there’s extra confirmation now
flat swift
Do ODSTs have any augmentations
gilded mason
Nah
fair hazel
the upper limit for a Spatan-Iv's natural lifespan has not been found but we expect your peak fightign days will exceed a century
gilded mason
Are you quoting somebody, Erick.
fair hazel
the spartan field manual, with typos
inner basin
Ostral, I think Erick was answering the following question from earlier:
Also another question how long are Spartans supposed to live
So while we don’t know how long their lifes can last we can get an idea due to what’s said in the quote (by Erick) above
gilded mason
Yeah, I know. I just noticed the "but we expect your peak" part.
sharp adder
peakr dpends on the spatran body bioy and anything else
regal osprey
why does the scarab in Halo 2 seem to be less advanced than the scarab in Reach? is it just a different model without the AA cannon?
regal osprey
oh ok
terse lava
still find that an odd choice they had one for only artifact retrival
lethal comet
maybe it was meant for the voi portal
they just dropped it at the wrong place because they didnt know the precise location till the end of odst
terse lava
I doubt that seeing as we see it throughout the game and cutscene
we see a pair of them even fly around High Charity
lethal comet
maybe the 47a was more effective in taking down buildings then
terse lava
actually wait wait I am tired and confused
the artifact banshee was the one used by the heretics
lethal comet
we are talking about scarabs
terse lava
yeah my bad XD
I would just chalk it up then to the religious importance of certain relics
you aren't going to uncover a powerful forerunner relic with a typical under-powered scarab
also interesting, was not aware they made a little backstory for the scarab on "Turf"
cedar surge
How much money do you think weapon companies made during the HCW?
inner basin
Well it's hard to come up with a number based on many factors, but some might've started making them cheaper or free considering humanity was fighting for survival
fair hazel
a lot
cedar surge
Misriah armory must have made a killing
terse lava
more then a million, less then a googlplex
cedar surge
During the whole war weapon companies made more than a million?
That seemslow considering its a neatly 3 decade long war
gilded mason
That's kinda why he said more than a million
full forge
Misriah armory must have made a killing
Quite literally.
steep pewter
Noble Team were the first and only Spartan III's to get Mjolnir Armour with energy shields right?
Or if I am completely wrong and Noble Team had SPI armour?
terse lava
they indeed wore mjolnir armor
gilded mason
Though not the only. Post-war, SPI mostly got phased out for Gen2 for SIIIs.
steep pewter
they indeed wore mjolnir armor
@terse lava
Is there a background material for noble team.
Did they always train in Mjolnir Armour or transitioned from SPI to Mjolnir?
gilded mason
The latter
inner basin
There is a Spartan-G059 Headhunter who still uses SPI post-war interestingly
steep pewter
Also aren't Mjolnir Mark V armour to only be worn by Spartan II's since their body are the ones to bear the responses from the suit.
Sure Spartan III were augumented but I doubt they were as powerful as Spartan IIs to bear the load of Mjolnir.
inner basin
I'm sure there are others too, but it's likely Headhunters who may have a niche for SPI
gilded mason
Sure Spartan III were augumented but I doubt they were as powerful as Spartan IIs
They were
steep pewter
They were?
So without suit
Say Tom B292 is equal match to John 117?
In raw strength?
steep pewter
But with suits
Spartan II's are far superior than Spartan IIIs
gilded mason
If the SIIIs are wearing SPI, yes.
steep pewter
What about Spartan IV's
They were not so rigourously trained as IIIs or IIs.
Without suit
II = III > IV
gilded mason
Yup
steep pewter
But with suits.
II = IV > III
gilded mason
Yeah. (When SIIIs are using SPI, to once again clarify)
inner basin
I don't know why it's believed that the IIIs are weaker. They are on par with the IIs when both (being the IIs and IIIs) are in Mjolnir GEN1, in which the IVs are on par with in GEN2
steep pewter
Cool
So if not for crisis of funds and Mjolnir armour being not so expensive
We could have had hundreds of Spartan III with Mjolnir armour...
gilded mason
Yup
inner basin
Pretty much
Although some S-III Headhunters were issued prototypical SPI armour which had energy shielding. I always thought that was pretty cool
steep pewter
Yeah Headhunters were cool.
They even had improved camoflauge.
Sad what happened to them although they went out with a bang.
inner basin
Not all Headhunters died
steep pewter
Oh. I recently read Halo Evolutions I meant that team.
Spartan IV are not assigned any numbers right?
gilded mason
Right
steep pewter
and Spartan III are only designated only numbers with a alphabet.
inner basin
Yeah. The letter represents their company
steep pewter
Cool
Thanks yall
inner basin
Hey man, I'm always down for S-III discussion. You got any questions relating to S-IIIs I'll be glad to answer
cobalt quiver
Anyone have a full wallpaper for the cover art for the Shadows of Reach book?
steep pewter
Hey man, I'm always down for S-III discussion. You got any questions relating to S-IIIs I'll be glad to answer
@inner basin
Sure. I am halfway through Ghost of Onyx and ||Agincourt just exploded||.
And Spartan III are just as intresting as Spartna IIs
versed helm
What's the effective range of a Spartan Laser?
round comet
a couple of meters or so i believe
unique rune
Halopedia says its effective range is... “long”.
The official Waypoint page isn’t really any more enlightening.
Looking at the sources on the Halopedia page... it’s just something that’s never been officially stated. Even the old Bungie page for it just has it blacked out.
round comet
"The Spartan Laser has a small blast radius, injuring targets within two meters of the point of impact and toppling light vehicles." - halopedia
so like i said, a couple of meters.
stuck forge
Infinite range
unique rune
Effective range and blast radius aren’t exactly the same thing.
Effective range would be referring to the distance a projectile (or in this case, beam) can travel while still causing a reasonable distance on impact.
Blast radius is how far out that damage spreads on impact.
So while something might have a blast radius of a meter or two, its effective range could be up to a few hundred meters.
versed helm
What if the user manages to channel all of the power from the battery into one shot?
unique rune
That... sounds like an easy way to ruin the Splaser and break a limb, if not worse.
versed helm
I highly doubt that the effective range of the Spartan Laser is 2 metres, it would be useless at that point.
I'm sure a Spartan 2 could handle it, Nova.
unique rune
Maybe.
But I can’t imagine the Splaser would be usable afterwards if anyone tried to expend an entire battery charge in a single shot.
versed helm
I presume the entire mechanism would be destroyed afterwards.
unique rune
Probably.
versed helm
I wonder if it would either increase the effective range or diameter of the laser itself.
It could increase both, that is also a possibility.
inner basin
If you charged a battery into one shot I could see it frying the weapon frame itself considering it would use so much energy at once. Wouldn't really be a worthwhile trade off for whatever you get out of it, rather than be increased damage, range or radius
versed helm
The Hannibal vehicles seem to use laser based weaponry.
Halopedia states that the Hannibal vehicles use directed energy weapons, the Spartan Laser is in the same category.
Yeah, there are several subcategories, lasers being one of them (where Hannibal weapons and the Laser are mentioned).
fair hazel
Only the scorpion
unique rune
The Scorpion’s main gun is laser
The machine gun on the Scorpion and Mantis are replaced with Gauss repeaters
versed helm
Is it basically just a bigger Spartan Laser for the main cannon?
fair hazel
It’s a laser. Like what make it specifically a spartan laser
wild linden
Imagine being aboard a London Class Cruiser.
unique rune
...London-class... cruiser...?
wild linden
Yeah?
unique rune
Since when has that been a thing?
fair hazel
Hasn’t
wild linden
It's a light cruiser within the UNSC Navy
fair hazel
No it isn’t
unique rune
Yeah, I’ve never heard of such a thing and I’m seeing no record of one on Halopedia...
wild linden
2x Mark-lll light MAC Cannons
7x M66 "Sentry" 711mm Auto Cannons
2x Mark 33 "Spitfire" 1193mm Coil Guns
22x M58 Archer Pods(35 missiles per pod)
2x M712 "Howler" pods(20 missiles per pod)
12x M3 "Godkiller" torpedoes(3 torpedoes per silo)
132x M710 "Bulwark" 25mm point defense guns
26x M870 "Rampart" 50mm Point Defense guns
Has a pretty good armament too
dim imp
I only know London class battleship from beginning of 20th century
unique rune
That sounds fanmade.
fair hazel
That’s not anything canon
wild linden
Never said it was
inner basin
London-class Cruiser is not a ship in the canon. I think I might go with fanmade
dim imp
I find nothing about said cruiser on Google, Halopedia and stuff yeah
inner basin
But this channel is for discussing the canon and lore of the Halo universe
unique rune
Never said it was
Probably should’ve clarified that.
inner basin
^ Also that. Maybe would’ve been a better opening for your discussion
wild linden
Didn't make a discussion, wasn't hoping for one either, I only said imagine
inner basin
Well I can’t imagine because I don’t know what it is
fair hazel
I’ll imagine canon stuff
lethal comet
is craig canon now?
inner basin
Not confirmed, actually
lethal comet
monke
wild linden
No exceptions
lethal comet
imagine now he is like a chieftan under eschauram
wild linden
I like to imagine him as special forces
lethal comet
imagine a side mission about craig
wild linden
Craig is the main boss fight
versed helm
So you told people to imagine being in a ship that you created and did not specify its features?
wild linden
No, I did not create it
inner basin
I created 2 profiles for Autumn-class Heavy Cruisers ages ago. It’s actually a lot more fun than you think to make your own headcanon ships based on what you know about them. Might do it again some time. Just as fun as making a fan fiction Spartan
wild linden
I mean, I find that UNSC ships have more long ranged missiles than actual cannons
versed helm
I personally really dislike Forerunner lore but after reading Defender of The Storm, I might give the rest another chance.
lethal comet
Is it due to primordium?
inner basin
Silentium is pretty good
versed helm
Nah, it's just in general, like, I don't see a point in reading it if eventually a massive reset button is pressed, lore-wise.
inner basin
But not everything is gone. Not every Forerunner died, Ancilla’s remain behind
versed helm
I know that is a very nihilistic approach.
The ancillas, they are AI for the Forerunners, yes?
inner basin
Yeah. The most well known A.Is are Mendicant Bias and Offensive Bias, Contender-class A.I
round comet
oh we're talking about forerunners
inner basin
Not my primary expertise, but it’s lore nonetheless
versed helm
Wait, WHAT? I thought they were Monitors. Unless "ancilla" is the blanket term for Forerunner AI?
round comet
yeah the ancilla were forerunner AIs with subclasses like the contender Ais which is where MB and OB fall in
inner basin
It’s a blanket term
round comet
Wait, WHAT? I thought they were Monitors. Unless "ancilla" is the blanket term for Forerunner AI?
the forerunner term for AI is ancilla.
the monitors were also highly advanced ancilla, but not exactly contender class level
and they have very specific functions.
inner basin
Some still couldn’t even follow their functions, looks at 2401 Penitent Tangent
round comet
that monitor went rampant.
inner basin
Yeah because he didn’t do his job of preventing the Flood outbreak in the first place
Actually I retract that, I just got confused between Logic Plague and Rampancy
I didn’t sleep well last night. That’s the excuse I’m running with
round comet
Yeah because he didn’t do his job of preventing the Flood outbreak in the first place
actually yeah that could have been because of the gravemind.
we do not have confirmation so, yeah.
versed helm
I wonder if we'll ever see those avian creatures again.
When I read the part where Defender of the Storm witnessed movement, I was worried that it was a Gravemind or something.
inner basin
I thought of Flood infection forms at first if Imma be honest
round comet
pfft
versed helm
The naming system for the characters is strange, it reminds me of the Huragok.
lethal comet
do flood have a metabolism
dim imp
Everything alive needs a metabolism so I guess flood does
lethal comet
so is the flood anaerobic then
versed helm
Can someone please help me with a lore explanation of the BR. Im currently listening to the Cole Protocol. In a passage Lt Keyes states he was in a warthog with a private who was armed with a BR. This setting is before the Fall of Reach and definitely before the Ghost of Onyx. In which the Spartans of Onyx encounter their first iteration of the BR. Which if I recall was a R&D program to replace the AR and was not really implemented. So of course my obvious question is was the BR simply just retconned or is their a deeper service history to it
Use of the BR dates back to 2525, where Sgt. Johnson was armed with a prototype model of the firearm on Harvest.
Thank you
feral perch
You guys realize the BR55, 85, and 75 would, if they are based on years, be 2455, 2485, and 2475, right?
versed helm
@feral perch I'm pretty sure that Johnson was using a prototype of the BR55.
Your logic could still be applied since that could be based off the years they released in.
carmine sleet
You guys realize the BR55, 85, and 75 would, if they are based on years, be 2455, 2485, and 2475, right?
They're definitely not based on years, the BR55 entered service in 2525, the BR85 entered service late into the Human-Covenant War before becoming more widespread in the post war
The BR75 is the only one we don't know much about since it's new to Halo Infinite
stiff creek
This isn't really anything, but I'm pretty sure the combat medic in Halo Wars uses a BR.
deep kayak
What order should I play all of the halo games that would be the easiest way to understand the lore
stiff creek
Going off of the games for lore isn't really the easiest.
The way I see it, Halo Wars doesn't really contribute much to the lore, besides showing some stuff that the Prophet of Regret and the previous Arbiter did.
But chronologically, that is the earliest game.
versed helm
Halo Wars takes place after Contact Harvest, Booga.
sharp adder
Reach first
stiff creek
Yïs I know, that's why I said game.
sharp adder
Ce 2 3 odst3 4 5 then hw2 then infinite i don't think i missed any
deep kayak
HW1
feral perch
Halo Wars’ timeline events are quite handy
unique rune
What should I look at instead?
To best understand the lore
I would recommend getting your hands on a copy of Halo mythos. It's a pretty good summary of most everything up until... around the events of Halo 5?
If you want a more complete view, start with the novels, comics, and other media, going by release order. Preferably using the latest edition of each book to iron out some of the weird little inconsistencies that have been retconned to fit better.
Alternatively you could just spend some time on Halopedia.
deep kayak
Thanks for giving me options!
steep pewter
What should I look at instead?
@deep kayak
Play the games first,
it gives you the feel and setting of the universe.
How the recoil of MA5b feels how Elites are pain to kill, The gigantic forerunner structures.
Then while reading books you have a solid understanding of the mechanics and feel of it.
Books as in order of release.
Comics are cool too.
And if there are any question we are here.
deep kayak
@steep pewter Would you recommend I play the games in chronological order or by release date?
humble yacht
I think release order.
steep pewter
Yeah release order.
humble yacht
Even prequels have certain elements that you only fully appreciate with the context of the stuff that was released before
steep pewter
Halo Wars 1 and 2 are great but some people dont like the genre of the game.
Do play if you like Strategy games.
So guys who is your favourite Spartan II?
stuck forge
Myself
copper fossil
Jorge
steep pewter
@stuck forge
Sorry for what happened to you man.
Spartans never die.
@copper fossil
'Reach has been good to me'
'Dont deny me this'
This line.
Jerome is also great
@feral perch
OG
Bashing Covenant and Banishes in the old school Mark IV armour.
inner basin
So guys who is your favourite Spartan II?
My favourite, hmm? I’m probably gonna go with Jai-006
serene flare
Ok so at the end of reach is that Master Chief in the pod or Linda?
inner basin
It’s a non-canon appearance
serene flare
Are you sure? i read that it was Linda because she was injured
inner basin
Yeah. They both would be in the cryo chamber
We even see a screen with Linda’s status on it in an identical looking cryo room to the Chief’s. Of course the data isn’t showing up on the monitor because her cryo tube was jettisoned before Keyes landed (crashed) the Autumn
crimson bronze
It’s supposed to be Chief showing up as an Easter egg. Just the location of his pod is considered non-canon.
inner basin
@copper fossil
'Reach has been good to me'
'Dont deny me this'
This line.
@steep pewter You got the line wrong. After Jorge says “Listen, Reach has been good to me”, he then follows up with “Time has come to return the favour”. I just had to point this out because the line is so memorable
serene flare
||Everyone in Noble team dies right?||
crimson bronze
Except for Jun.
inner basin
No
serene flare
Wait then what happens to him
crimson bronze
He goes on to help recruit for the Spartan IV program.
inner basin
He escaped the planet, through means unknown, and becomes the primary recruiter for the Spartan-IV program
inner basin
I wasn’t really a big fan of Jun in the game, but he was pretty sick in a fanmade book (that CAN fit with the canon) called Fistful of Arrows
Although it isn’t officially canonised, there were attempts a while back to make it so, but they fell through for whatever reasons
queen otter
My favourite, hmm? I’m probably gonna go with Jai-006
Spartan Locke nah just kidding lol. I’d prolly go with just the obvious John 117.
fair hazel
I’ll go with the best spartan
cedar surge
There are some people chanting for the infinity's destruction
queen otter
Why
vapid aspen
Something's been on my mind - in Halo 3 at the end of Floodgate, Cortana's message states she has a way to stop the Flood once and for all on the other side of the portal to the Ark. Is it ever explicitly stated what that solution was? Was her plan the whole time to bait the Gravemind into warping High Charity to the Ark, have Chief go get her and her Index from Installation 04, use it on the incomplete Installation 08, and blow up the Flood when the incomplete ring fires? It's established that Halo rings only kill Flood food, not the Flood itself - did she have knowledge that the Ark keeps a half-finished Halo at all times? Did she plan on detonating it to take out High Charity? Was she entirely banking on Gravemind sending the full Flood force to High Charity? I assume she got her knowledge of the Ark and its half-finished Halo from High Charity - doesn't that mean Gravemind had access to that info too? This keeps me up at night.
cedar surge
They want the "feeling of urgency" again
inner basin
@vapid aspen That’s one of 3’s plot holes. People generally look past it because 3’s story was “amazing” which I wouldn’t agree on personally I think it was just a good story that was pretty fun to play
vapid aspen
Oh sure I can look past it definitely, just something I was thinking about the other day
humble yacht
Her solution was the new halo being formed at the ark
it's not a good solution but it is what it is
inner basin
I just don’t know when she learnt that the Ark made replacement Halos
humble yacht
there was a lot of plot convenience that set up the final act of H3
probably during her convo with the gravemind
inner basin
But why would he reveal something like that?
humble yacht
either that or back when she was interfacing with Alpha Halo's control room
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vapid aspen
Or just from data banks on High Charity - Prophets must have known what it did if they were looking for it so hard
inner basin
I doubt it was when she was interfacing with Alpha Halo because even Spark wasn’t certain about it, and he curated that Installation
humble yacht
The prophets wouldn't have known what it was for, they didn't even know what halo was really for
peak estuary
What happens if the index to a ring is destroyed? Can a replacement be made? If so where?
humble yacht
no idea
the way cortana held onto the index suggests that while it can have a physical form, the important part is the data within
like an arming code
but a unique code
cedar surge
You guys think we will ever see a finished eternity?
humble yacht
no
craggy sierra
Considering they’ve gone backwards on making it and began stripping it for Infinity spares, I doubt it.
terse lava
Sister ship of the Infinity
carmine sleet
Because Infinity needed parts after someone fired a glassing beam at the ship
thorn plinth
So, I just read up on Mendicant Bias and they need to be stopped. The only games that Mendicant Bias didn't directly cause are Halo Wars 1 and Halo 5: Guardians. Seriously.
gilded mason
He's basically a well-meaning doofus.
thorn plinth
You're not wrong.
Been a Halo fan for almost two decades, but I've never really dug into the lore. Just experienced it. Decided to start digging because I want more Halo in my veins and wow... there is just so much that isn't in the games or even in the early books.
gilded mason
Ye
thorn plinth
Loving every second of digging. Halopedia and Haruspis are massive helps
gilded mason
Got any questions while you're here? I might be able to answer some.
thorn plinth
Not yet, my journey is just beginning.
gilded mason
Righteo
thorn plinth
I should really get around to reading Halo Mythos though, bought it a few years ago but never actually read it.
vapid willow
What is the probability of Mendicant being freed/restored and stopping the Created as atonement?
vapid willow
At the Ark?
thorn plinth
I wouldn't be surprised that he somehow led to the Created's creation. By finding Cortana in the Domain or something and showing her the door to everything.
feral perch
That's right, and on Installation 08
We saw Cortana's arrival at the Domain in a comic, and Mendicant Bias had nothing to do with it.
thorn plinth
That we know of :P
I'm just messing though.
Currently reading about the mysterious crashed ship on Installation 04, shame that mystery never got resolved.
gilded mason
"Gee golly, maybe helping out this human AI will make things better for everyone. I always try so hard. =)"
thorn plinth
Lol
terse lava
Heh
vapid willow
He tries his best
feral perch
Mendicant Bias is probably dead.
thorn plinth
Out of interest, besides Mendicant Bias, are there any topics or characters I should try and learn about that are important to the Halo universe?
terse lava
The covenant
gilded mason
Learn everything about them. They are love. They are life.
thorn plinth
Nah, he ain't dead. He is the most likely culprit for bringing the Spirit of Fire to the lesser ark in Halo Wars 2
vapid willow
Never considered that.
Since the Ark's monitor is out of commission, did he just step in for it?
feral perch
We have no clue who pulled the SoF to the Ark.
terse lava
@gilded mason for the Great Journey!...of friendship😝
gilded mason
👍
feral perch
There's no indication of who was responsible.
thorn plinth
@feral perch That's why i said most likely culprit.
feral perch
Eh, could've been something completely different.
terse lava
To be honest with how advanced he is, I figure a shard of mendicant survived
feral perch
Who knows?
thorn plinth
I mean, it could have been. But as of right now he is the best guess we have.
vapid willow
Was the one on High Charity destroyed, or just disabled?
thorn plinth
(again, I'm no expert, still a newbie to the greater lore but based on what i've read i couldn't find an alternative explanation)
terse lava
It wasnt harmed at all
thorn plinth
The fragment on the Keyship was joined with the greater whole of Mendicant Bias
terse lava
Just landed on the ark and that was that