Nah, she had a collapsed lung - she didn’t die, she was near death
#lore-and-universe
north harbor
How did Linda collapse her lung?
cedar surge
Think it was during a battle in the fall of reach
north harbor
Oooooh I see
cedar surge
Also there was a Spartan that got launched into space apparently
Wonder what happened to them
north harbor
What like agent Georgia from RvB😂😂
cedar surge
Yea except death probably
north harbor
Like as punishment?
cedar surge
For example if a Spartan went rouge could anything other than another Spartan stop them?
Like during Locke's and chief's fight a marine or odst would have been killed
gilded mason
In a fistfight. But as they say, guns are the great equalizer.
And rocket launchers
lethal comet
great reflexes can dodge tho
north harbor
Yea honestly I think the best way to catch a rogue spartan is by sending a team of Spartans to get him/her (especially if it’s chief)
Perhaps a large ODST assault would work
But it would depend on the location
cedar surge
What if you hat have a person frisbee toss that armor lock up thing that Locke had at the spartan
north harbor
Yea but you would have to get pretty close to be effective with it and Spartans reactions r so much faster than normal humans that they could probably dodge it pretty easy
versed helm
Pretty sure that’s the point of why IVs are so hardwired, literally, in service to UNSC
The idea of a “Rogue Spartan” in the first place is if ONI is fine with it
Which in itself is sus given what happened to Mickey
lavish garnet
was it ever explained anywhere why Jorge ended up with a bunch of Spartan II's?
Spartan III's sorry
warped fiber
No. Nothing concrete yet
For all we know, he could be like the members of Red Team and Fireteam Omega were they died or their augmentations failed, but were cryo frozen and were revived and went through the augmentation again and succeeded
So he never was included with the Spartans under John who passed their 1st time around
versed helm
I miss Jorge.
lavish garnet
man did Halo Reach throw a spanner in the works for the canon
warped fiber
Halo Fleet Battles did a lot to fix the lore
To bad the company that did halo fleet battles and ground command went bankrupt
But yeah, it explains that the fleet you encounter in the beginning of Reach was a completely different fleet then Thel's, that discovered reach because of a Luminary. Seeing so many Forerunner ruins on Reach, the Zelots that lead the fleet decided not to tell any other Covenant fleet or command so all the glory for recovering the Relics would be theirs
terse barn
warped fiber
Escalation had a lot of tracing. It was when there wasn't a lot of quality control on content because 343I was still trying to get it's footing on their products.
random pilot
anyone here watched Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn and find it funny Anna Popplewell played the hardcore war supporter character, considering what she usually plays?
steep pewter
anyone here watched Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn and find it funny Anna Popplewell played the hardcore war supporter character, considering what she usually plays?
@random pilot
This was the best live action media of any Halo.
random pilot
idk if any other even exist, besides the locke tv series which didnt look very interesting
so not many standards to pass, the characters were a bit boring in FUD, not too bad though, art style looked pretty correct for what u'd expect for a spec ops school
i just find it highly funny susan from narnia plays the "i believe in the UNSC" character
yeah nah susan, u dont believe in anything
steep pewter
So guys finished First strike.
The surviving members are Chief along with handful spartans( Will Linda Fred) Cortana and Johnson heading towards Earth to warn about Covenant Invasion.
But we see in Halo 2 Game Master Chief and Johnson being rewarded medals and I wonder where are the other spartans?
Does Ghost of Onyx explain that or it was a continuity error?
carmine sleet
They were being debriefed by ONI while Chief and Johnson were getting their medals
They never got the chance to regroup with Chief in the early stages of the Battle of Earth thanks to Chief going off with the In Amber Clad when they chased Regret's ship
steep pewter
Yes the ending of the book.
Where Fred was being interrograted and was stoopped by Hood.
I would like to believe the other Spartans were also recognised and rewarded in some way and not just MC was treated special.
So Ghost of Onyx in next right?
Regarding Fred Linda and Will.
And Halo 2 carries on with MC.
carmine sleet
Yes Ghosts of Onyx is next, it starts off many years before the events of Halo 2, but jumps to 2552 in the middle
steep pewter
Yes Ghosts of Onyx is next, it starts off many years before the events of Halo 2, but jumps to 2552 in the middle
@carmine sleet
Oh cool.
Also are there books regarding the Spartans operations during 2525 and 2552.
I read some of Contact Harvest and Johnson's mission which he failed.
But put it on hold.
carmine sleet
I highly recommend finishing off Contact Harvest, it's a good read
steep pewter
So Contact Harvest or Ghost of Onyx first?
carmine sleet
As for other novels involving Spartans between 2525 and 2552, there's a few, Cole Protocol, Silent Storm and Oblivion
I say read Ghosts of Onyx first, just because you have just finished reading First Strike
steep pewter
Oh cool Thanks a lot!
carmine sleet
No problem
versed helm
Joe Staten has an interesting tinge he gives to whatever Halo narrative he’s involved in
inner basin
That’s just Joe Staten’s good writing
versed helm
Not just that, there’s a certain vibe to it. Similar to the George Lucas demeanour in Star Wars
Like a personality sig
versed helm
I went from Ghost of Onyx to the Kilo 5 trilogy and now I’m on last light. I will go back and read the others but trying to stay in the timeline order for now. After last light I believe that New blood will be next in terms of time line I think... it’s hard to figure out tbh 🤷🏻♂️
Wow sounds like you’re really enjoying yourself
I am! I love the EU, I like that 343 isn’t ignoring it but wished they didn’t lean so heavily on it in 5...hopefully they have found a nice middle ground with Infinite 👍🏻
feral perch
They didn’t lean heavily on the EU in Halo 5. Halo 5 was as confusing to lore aficionados as it was to laymen when it released.
humble yacht
halo 4 leaned more on the EU than H5 did
feral perch
That’s true.
humble yacht
aside from character intros, but those weren't exactly necessary for the plot
feral perch
The only ways Halo 5 really leaned on the EU were the members of Osiris besides Buck and Locke, and all of Blue Team besides Chief.
humble yacht
I'd consider nightfall EU
feral perch
It’s strange that they didn’t include a pamphlet in the standard edition of the game that gave you character info on these previously unplayable characters.
Nightfall Locke night as well be a different person from Halo 5 Locke. 5 Locke has more connection to the H2A terminals than he does to Nightfall Locke.
humble yacht
yeah but it still shows his background
shows that he hasn't always been a long wolf assassin, that he cares about the well being of his team
shut dew
Serious question:
Has any Human tried to offer themselves as slaves to the Covenant during the war?
carmine sleet
There was a few who tried to bargain with the Covenant to save certain planets/settlements, including one guy who that the Covenant blew up after he escaped from the Rubble, but never to become slaves to the Covenant as far as we know
inner basin
Yeah based on how fanatical the Covenant religion was they tried to purge every human. A misinterpretation caused so much bloodshed on both sides
craggy sierra
More our side than theirs
There wasn’t really any human victories until they decided to implode on themselves. We at best stalled them at some planets.
feral perch
Silent Storm was a success
fair hazel
There were some successes but a lot and a lot of losses
cedar surge
@craggy sierra we won back harvest
craggy sierra
I'm not starting that again
cedar surge
Why? What happened
carmine sleet
We still lost a lot in trying to take back Harvest
craggy sierra
I don't think we took it back officially till after the war
And it was still glassed
inner basin
Yeah I was about to say by the time we took it back we still have to chip the ice away to make it liveable again (well that's if we apply to Harvest what the colonists on Meridian are doing as it could be different for each planet)
craggy sierra
We literally had this convo last week lance
If someone torches my car in a parking lot but I come back for the chassis afterwards I didn't win my car back.
That's essentially what we did with Harvest
inner basin
I guess that's a good analogy
fair hazel
Why do you guys keep saying we
fair hazel
Oh nooo
gilded mason
Why do you guys keep saying we```
Ha, I think the same thing sometimes.Found the elite
gilded mason
Not like it was hard. ;)
terse lava
wort?
paper hedge
Did the flood infect to a hunter?
gilded mason
It can't make traditional combat forms, but they can use lekgolo for biomass
versed helm
I wonder what Dutch learnt when studying literature in college.
paper hedge
Imagine a flood-spartan, with all these super strength, super reflexes, imagine fighting a flood-spartan as a mini boss fight
How epic could have been...
versed helm
Well, due to protocol, the boss fight would involve you dropping a nuke.
cedar surge
If you saw a flood infected Spartan a mac strike is already coming your way
paper hedge
Did a flood ever infect a spartan?
gilded mason
Not yet
terse lava
Personally would say yes, seeing as they have spartan teams for dedicated flood control.
gilded mason
Certainly possible that at least one got infected, yeah
terse lava
I mean, without an actual infection, where did they get the idea of how an infected s4 would look
cedar surge
You know simulations exist right
They don't need to know what a flood infected Spartan they can just simulate what they could look like
spiral jewel
Is it safe to assume that the Banished are aware of Master Chiefs actions in the Autumn and Winter of 2552 (the events of CE, 2 3) and his involvement on Requiem (H4)
paper hedge
Technically the flood are dead
cedar surge
No
paper hedge
H3 events?
cedar surge
Thee flood are still around
paper hedge
😐
gilded mason
H3 stopped a very local infestation
paper hedge
What
cedar surge
You forget the flood on ring worlds,shields worlds
gilded mason
H3 was basically nothing
paper hedge
That’s scares me
cedar surge
Chief didn't even destroy high charity
paper hedge
Did Kat fight the flood?
paper hedge
Delta halo?
gilded mason
The Halo...from Halo 2?
paper hedge
Did Kat ever know of the existing of the flood?
gilded mason
No
gilded mason
Yes
gilded mason
Some amount of UNSC members learned of Flood either in the final months of the war or afterwards, with Spartans all getting briefed on everything known about them
cedar surge
Wonder how some religions adapted when they learned the existence of other sentient life
paper hedge
Interesting. @gilded mason
cedar surge
You think the UNSC gonna pull another mona Lisa situation?
paper hedge
@cedar surge> You forget the flood on ring worlds,shields worlds
@Dr.Lance#8076 @cedar surge what are the shields worlds?
gilded mason
gilded mason
The shield world in H4 was Requiem, yes.
paper hedge
That one
gleaming thicket
the flood are definitely still around
There must be several containment facilities in several rings
cedar surge
You think the arbiter would have ever tried to get the other arbiters bodies back?
gilded mason
Nah
gleaming thicket
Theres no point
gilded mason
He would know it's not worth the risk, and tha- yeah that
gleaming thicket
those Arbiters served the Hiearchs
He is the first of what I hope is a long endless line of just and courageous Arbiters who serve Sanghellios
cedar surge
Gotta feel bad for any elite that got to HC for the first time. You finally get to see the holiest city in the empire and its infected by the flood
If the covenant mostly steamrolled humanity why does regret worry about leaving the covenant defenceless while ripa uses "what we have"
Doesn't the covenant massively outnumber the UNSC?
versed helm
I hope 343 guilty spark isn’t in infinite because he was annoying lol
cedar surge
Isn't he dead
gilded mason
Spark's alive
cedar surge
How
cedar surge
So chief didn't avenge Johnson
gilded mason
If the covenant mostly steamrolled humanity why does regret worry about leaving the covenant defenceless while ripa uses "what we have"
I'm guessing they were talking about Regret's own personal fleet. Or something.
versed helm
Spark took over Rubicon and was looking for the librarian
fair hazel
Noooo! I reallly hope spark will be in in infinite, he's like, the best character to have in that game for the history there I feel.
versed helm
But he’s annoying lol
gilded mason
he cute
versed helm
He’s a great character don’t get me work but I just find him annoying sometimes
Wrong
versed helm
Ok
cedar surge
Can't wait to use a railguns to blast him off the ring
versed helm
As mixed as I feel about Infinite, I’m honestly liking the new character setups and how they play off of chief’s personality
cedar surge
Yea brohammer is actually standing up to the chief
And its feels like its in a reasonable way
I also like the new brute
How many guardians does cortana even have?
craggy sierra
A lot
terse lava
at least a few thousand
versed helm
He’s definitely not “standing up” lmao. He is most certainly simply being delirious due to the shock of constant deployments in hotzones for the Chief to run and slaughter everything in
He’s projecting his fear towards Chief for blame; something very normal and human of a trait indeed
In short, he knows that his analysis on what’s going on is just fickle and cowardice, with Chief’s demeanour behaving as an inspiration to keep pressing on through the narrative. It’s actually an excellent setup
unique rune
It’s the same Ark as the one from Halo 3.
The Awakening the Nightmare DLC even visits the wreck of High Charity.
cedar surge
To be fair fighting the banished banished when your allies are scattered and few, enemies together and many, and your last hope is telling you to charge into it is gonna have you pretty mad or something
But if he was adrift outside the ring for that long it must mean the banished don't have any ships
Or else he would have been shot down
So how did the banished get there
versed helm
Oh, yeah his reaction is entirely justifiable. I initially recoiled at his response due to The Last Jedi PSTD (lmao), but given the context it’s actually really good
north harbor
So I got a question
How exactly did cortona save chief in H4?
How does she save him from the nuke?
gilded mason
Teleported him into a hardlight bubble...or something.
north harbor
....could she do that for me when jackal snipers r everywhere in H2 legendary?
gilded mason
She thought it'd be funnier not to
gilded mason
Hm?
carmine sleet
She couldn't have done that at any point. It was only while on the Ur-Didact's ship that she was able to
lethal comet
In halo nightfall it mentions a "peace treaty with the covenant" Is it referring to the Sangheilli
autumn quiver
yes as the covenant was dissolved after truth was killed before all the remnant factions started fighting for the remaining resources
cedar surge
If the remnants are fighting for the scraps instead of making their own stuff ddoes that mean the UNSC and SoS could just wait until they starved themselves of resources?
carmine sleet
They could but that would also risk them becoming more organised and becoming a bigger threat
Plus, a faction like the Banished makes allot of their own tech and vehicles alongside modifying existing tech they find
sturdy tangle
Why does sergeant Johnson die
lavish garnet
the man NEEDS to know
carmine sleet
I already answered in general chat though...
carmine sleet
I think we'll need someone who's good at maths to work that one out
Like, we'd have to look at the weight of a Spartan to see how much force would be needed to move one that's just standing still. Then we'd need the speed of a Ghost as well
Aye, it does but we'd need the average weight of a Spartan in Mjolnir, not just the armour itself
Indeed
I'd say that's fair
versed helm
Is it possible for a Spartan to have their augmentations reversed/removed?
carmine sleet
Not all of them can be removed but some can be, as seen with Randall in Halo Nightfall
versed helm
@versed helm they also stabilise themselves from being rammed by Warthogs. Canonically, Fred survived being rammed in the back by a 10 tonne Load, Haul, Dump machine going full speed (stated to cross some 6 meters “instantly”)
The result of the impact broke his arm, split smaller sections of his armor plate and damaged certain systems in his armor such as the reactive circuits
This was immediately following, mind you, having a boulder the size of a “tire” thrown into his face by a Brute
versed helm
Does anyone else get annoyed by how slow vehicles in halo are? IRL a 1990s mig 31 can do mach 3, but the banshee, a futuristic alien single seat multirole can do... what? Not even mach 1. In canon some unsc fighter can do mach 12, but thats about all i can see when it comes to air vehicle speeds in halo. Of course in gameplay i understand, but shouldnt atleast cutscenes and ajr vehicles in the skybox go at atleast mach 1?
Bashees neared mach 3 in the Prologue of Halo 4, IIRC. There’s also the honeybee(?) which is capable of achieving escape velocities from the ring
The broadsword is another vehicle that comes to mind; something capable of crossing hundreds of kilometers per second in a vacuum, with thousands of gees in acceleration.. somehow
Stealth bombers and the like are often piloted by AI rather than humans
bright briar
The Phaetons you see in the background in Halo 5 are pretty fast, too.
versed helm
Phaetons are also vehicles that dissolve your matter into a soup of digital consciousness that melds with the widgets of the craft
versed helm
Something I love about Halo 2 is just how cemented the characters are in their belief systems. Arbiter doesn’t just fully acknowledge his betrayal and disregard the rings as “sacred” for instance, when berating the Chief
Or Rtas thinking the prophets were foolish to trust Brutes killing Elties off, in spite of his better judgement and prior suspicions
I don't remember the game establishing this for Rtas.
versed helm
“Vile, savage beasts! The prophets were fools to trust them”
I doubt someone of his stature would lack the mental clockwork to conclude Truth betraying him; it seemed to be more of emotional-based
When did he say this? @versed helm
Uh.. Uprising
Thanks.
Yw
brazen kindle
So what happened to Atriox? I know the player doesn’t fight him, but a subordinate in HW2. This new brute in Infinite talks about “honoring Atriox’s legacy” as though he’s dead. According to Halopedia that hasn’t actually happened.
versed helm
You can honor the legacy of someone who isn’t dead. It could easily be their means of saying that they’re honoring the message he brought to the Jiralhanae as a species
Though I’m imagining they will leave his fate ambiguous in order to allow narrative room for Halo Wars 3. Still, mentioning a character the majority of mainline players aren’t aware of is an odd choice to leave unfilled
craggy sierra
...there’s only 7 rings active + 2 destroyed rings I think
humble yacht
Zeta Halo is the last of the original giant halos, back when the array was made up of 12 rings total
But zeta is not giant anymore because it shed some extra weigh to account for damage
versed helm
What was Mendicant Bias' last known location?
vague scroll
Ark I think? I thought Halo 3 was the last we heard from him?
carmine sleet
Chronologically the last time was in Halo 3
mossy plover
I just thought of a question, how did Johnson, Miranda, and the Arbiter get back to Earth before Chief at the beginning of halo 3?
Was that ship from high charity slow?
lethal comet
@mossy plover they travelles in the wake slip stream of the dreadnought
like how in amber clad reached at the same time as solemn penance in h2
also the dreadnought stopped near mars for a few days
humble yacht
What was Mendicant Bias' last known location?
Technically it would have been Installation 08. Hence why he said "you don't know the contortions I had to go through to follow you here, reclaimer" ("here" being the newly formed ring)
cedar surge
Could you just walk off of a ring
humble yacht
probably not
gilded mason
There's a huge wall along the edges of the inner part.
humble yacht
even if you got over the wall, the ring's gravity would likely pull you onto the side
it's not like you would just fall into space
vague scroll
the walls on either side serve to contain the ringworld's interior atmosphere so they're quite literally "sky high"
steep pewter
So guys anyone read the Halo Evolutions? The collection of short story in Halo Universe.
In one story HeadHunters. There is a mention of a ||Red Energy Sword||
Was wondering is this canon and is used anywhere in other works?
versed helm
I think you can’t walk off the ring like @humble yacht said even if you do mange to go over the wall the rings gravity will pull you back
humble yacht
pretty sure Silent Shadow use red energy swords in general
steep pewter
Oh and whats the difference between them?
Same as between Blue and Red Plasma Rifle?
cedar surge
I think its just color or to signify rank
Think I remembered the sanghelli leader of that group had the red one while everyone else got normal blur ones
From what I remember
steep pewter
Hmmm. Never seen one in the games though Halo 5 Arbiter has Red one maybe? Anyone can confirm?
unique rune
Functionally there aren’t really any known differences between different blade colors
I’d imagine some would logically burn at higher temperatures but in most cases it’s not much more than a visual effect
Halo 5 has some variations that give slight gameplay buffs but I doubt those perfectly carry over to canon, other than the Prophets’ Bane’s integrated AvCam generator
vague scroll
REQ weapons generally have very slight weapon qualities that are different - increased damage, increased lunge, faster cut
humble yacht
The only thing I can think would contribute to different colors would be a different kind of gas used
vague scroll
^ I would have to say the same
regal osprey
the elite that tried to execute Atriox used a red energy sword
it's probably just a rank thing like lance said
feral perch
That Elite's title was "Executioner"
humble yacht
weren't they silent shadow?
regal osprey
looks like the executioner was just a high-ranking elite, according to this https://www.halopedia.org/Executioner
humble yacht
i see
civic pilot
did the cov know about the flood prior to CE? Since the flood were in HW1
cedar surge
Yes they did
regal osprey
was hw1 the first encounter between modern humans and the flood?
gilded mason
Yes
humble yacht
if only they had been able to send a report to the UNSC...
regal osprey
if only
wait is there a reason they couldn't? i know they lost their hyperdrive but what about sending a message
slim thorn
The question is why they were completely unprepared when they are on Installation 04? Should they have encountered the Flood before, they could have already prepare some measurements to prevent it.
humble yacht
uh, no
regal osprey
i don't think the covenant actually expected the flood to be there at all, they released it by accident iirc
humble yacht
just because one shieldworld had a small outbreak doesn't mean there were widespread outbreaks throughout the galaxy
regal osprey
so i wouldn't be surprised if they weren't prepared
slim thorn
But that doesn't mean they just turn that facility into storage facility like that.
humble yacht
who?
the covies or humans?
the covies were the ones who released the flood on I04
regal osprey
the humans had no idea the flood was a thing because the Spirit of Fire was lost with all hands
the covies didn't know it was there and released it by accident
slim thorn
Either the information was withheld by the hierarchs or they haven't done the entire exploration.
humble yacht
the covenant knew about the Flood but that ring was the first halo they ever found
they didn't know flood would be there
regal osprey
yeah ^
gilded mason
I imagine people like that Minister got too overzealous
slim thorn
But that doesn't mean they can just turn a containment facility into weapon caches without proper exploration
I'm sure one of the cause is the information that was withheld by the hierarchs
gilded mason
I'm not really sure what you mean with your last line there
slim thorn
If you know how Truth withheld the information about the location of Earth, you can guess it.
Even he didn't expect that Regret makes his move first to Earth.
humble yacht
the hierarchs didn't withhold info because they didn't have info on the rings
gilded mason
^
humble yacht
so even they wouldn't know the flood was in there
slim thorn
No, not about the rings, but about the flood.
humble yacht
the covenant knew about the flood
gilded mason
The Covenant knew about the Flood
humble yacht
Rtas had fought them before
slim thorn
Rtas fought them once the outbreak happens
carmine sleet
They didn't know the Flood was on the rings in containment facilities
regal osprey
even if the covenant knew about the flood, they had no way to know they would've been on the rings
slim thorn
One of my expectation is they don't have enough force to contain it
If does and fast enough, the covenant should quickly establish defense perimeter.
Which they never did it at the entrance in the first place.
slim thorn
But not as much as inside
regal osprey
i'm pretty sure most of what they had inside was torn up by the flood, same as the unsc forces
slim thorn
But that doesn't mean the radio won't get through, isn't it?
humble yacht
inside they had patrols and some turrets set up
then some dumb alien opened the wrong door and it didn't matter anymore
cedar surge
The covenant sure does like opening the wrong doors
sly yew
Rtas fought the flood on some Coventant Supply Ship that gave the Fleet food. That’s when he told Thel about them and you get the whole “we focused on the flood” deal during the opening scene in halo 2
autumn quiver
no clue probably support that the ground and everything is built on
humble yacht
The ring is an artificial construct, the biomes are generated and not naturally occuring
gilded mason
What about caves?
humble yacht
it's likely the pillars represent newly generated and incomplete biome replacing the broken areas of the ring
cedar surge
"This cave is not a natural formation"
humble yacht
a halo ring is basically one big cave
feral perch
no
tight sand
im a bit curious; how come the spirit of fire is able to fend off the massive banished force on the ark but the infinity couldnt fight off the banished force at zeta halo?
i didnt play halo wars 2 so if theres something im missing please tell me i only know what was shown in the cutscenes
i know it'll get shown in infinite it's just odd given what we know right now
autumn quiver
they were never fighting head to head really. should the cutscenes so you can get a better idea
humble yacht
im a bit curious; how come the spirit of fire is able to fend off the massive banished force on the ark
Superior tactics and planning
but the infinity couldnt fight off the banished force at zeta halo?
We don't yet truly know what happened to the Infinity
autumn quiver
we know very little
tight sand
i mean yeah the infinity itself is likely fine but that whole subfleet got wiped out, they showed that during escherum's speech
autumn quiver
yea i guess the banished have just been growing unchecked for like 7+ years now
tho atriox and his forces as far as we know are still stuck on the ark so we also dont know how wide spread their forces are
tight sand
ah
cedar surge
Its not really a fleet its personel
Plus the SoF can produce vehicles while the infinity cant
feral perch
The Infinity can most likely produce vehicles.
It was originally devised to be a mobile carrier ship for humanity
and it can carry like eight escort ships in its hull
humble yacht
the full extent of Infinity's capabilities have not been shown
cedar surge
Well we know it can produce guns, but we don't know if it could produce stuff like the Orion or Phoenix class
sly yew
Considering the size of the Infinity and how Jerome destroyed the carrier above the Ark in HW2 it’s likely it or its crew are still alive. You may have to rescue some of the crew as well in Infinite where you see the missions on the map. It is possible that the banished do have a bigger fleet as it said that they are allied with this other faction. Maybe they have a fleet that stood against the UNSC.
cedar surge
Doesn't the infinity have thousands of marines and odsts on it?
fair hazel
Infinity has a fleet of 17k
humble yacht
I’m betting on the infinity pulled a Pillar Of Autumn and committed kamikaze to stop the halo ring from being able to fire
Doubt it because for one thing, a qualifying human is needed to make the ring fire, and secondly, unless Escharum is suicidal he wouldn't fire the ring with his own forces still around. Unless of course the "will of Atriox" is to eliminate all life in the galaxy because... reasons.
versed helm
What happened to the spartan III’s?
humble yacht
the surviving SIIIs joined Spartan Branch
gilded mason
Most of Alpha and Beta are dead, a lot of Gammas still around and Delta never got off the ground
humble yacht
they were distributed among the SIV fireteams
you think Musa and Jun got the gammas off their drugs?
would be the ethical thing to do, imo
gilded mason
The drugs are what keep them psycologically healthy.
versed helm
Also wonder how jun feels knowing his “family” died for cortana and now she’s hostile
humble yacht
there is the strength enhancing drug that requires two other drugs to combat the psychotic effects of the first drug
without drug 1, drug 2 and 3 aren't necessary
oh nevermind, it was a one-time injection
permanent effects
that sucks
gilded mason
Yeah, But I don't see being able to permanently reverse the changes the first drug made to the Gammas' brains.
Yeah, that
cedar surge
If the infinity did pull a PoA,shouldn't have the ring been totally destroyed? The PoA's explosion destroyed a large part of the ring sending it crashing into another part causing more damage. The infinity is much larger
humble yacht
the way the Autumn exploded looked like it applied torsion to the ring which cause further breakage after the initial explosion
with the ring in Infinite, it looks like something flew along the radius and blew through it
not sure if infinity would be capable of ramming through a Halo tho
fair hazel
I dont think Infinity would have done a pillar of autumn maneuver
Same thing and it would have gone bye bye halo.
That's a tough little halo though. It's been through a lot since it was a big one
cedar surge
Those sentinels on that ring must have been through a lot
Looks like the bulldog was made at mars somehow
versed helm
Or maybe something went wrong when someone wanted to eject a part of the ring
Just thinking out loud
cedar surge
On halopedia it states that the new bulldog shotgun was made at mars by misriah
humble yacht
manual ejections of ring portions happen much cleaner than that, they don't leave jagged edges
i don't see what about that process could "go wrong" in such a way as to cause that sort of damage
also the holographic reconstruction of the event from Discover Hope really makes it look like something broke through the ring, with how the debris flew out
cedar surge
Something going ramming speed?
versed helm
Thats why i say that something went wrong when someone or something tried to eject a part of it
Or multiple at once
But you’re probably right
humble yacht
i personally don't think it was an ejection error but we'll see
humble yacht
the debris pattern suggests that whatever force damaged the ring came from the inner direction
i.e. from the center outward
cedar surge
Failed activation?
vague scroll
nope
something similar to the Pillar of Autumn's own self destruction but on a significantly smaller scale
or at least something significantly more controlled
versed helm
Or something big rammed through it
unique rune
On halopedia it states that the new bulldog shotgun was made at mars by misriah
Most of that sounds like speculation... but it being a Misriah-manufactured weapon is definitely true.
vague scroll
Misriah Armory is based on mars, it's why they said it was
technically Misriah could have other facilities but for simplicities sake might as well just say yeah and move on
unique rune
Yeah, it's the whole 'possible other facilities' thing that gets me.
vague scroll
it will get changed eventually when more info comes out, don't worry about it
unique rune
I'm sure it will, it just bugs me that someone's already making a largely unsubstantiated claim like that.
vague scroll
I mean, the only time we've ever seen any Misriah Armory location is on mars so technically it's not unsubstantiated.
Misriah has been one of the household company names in halo since CE so it's unlikely to be mentioned elsewhere
I can remove it if it bugs you too much, it's kind of a wordy edition all things considered
unique rune
Eh, it's fine. It's pretty inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
vague scroll
yeah, checking the person who added that section, it's CIA - HP's admin so I think it's not a big deal. He's a reliable person when it comes to lore anyway.
actually on second thought, nevermind - I know why he added it
look at the weapon's markings closely and it says Eos Chasma
unique rune
Ahhh. I see now. Makes sense then.
obsidian thistle
The weapon says Eos Chasma on it
vague scroll
aye I pointed it out
obsidian thistle
And to remove most doubt that its not a random Eos Chasma somewhere else in the galaxy
Misriah Armory Eos Chasma Mars
*Image may be blurry but if you watch the vid you can read it.
unique rune
Yeah, I can make out the lettering from the image
cedar surge
So misriah is still kicking around under cortanas rule
But how did these new weapons get to the UNSC soldiers on the ring
Or maybe the infinity picked it up as it was escaping
autumn quiver
i mean we havnt heard a thing related to the created yet so who knows what has happened in the 2 years since 5
vague scroll
@cedar surge like most weapons and vehicles that appeared after Halo 3, the usual explanation is that they existed before the Created even existed and could even have been in the Human-Covenant War and very common
it's just that we've not seen these weapons in media, doesn't mean they didn't already exist to begin with
cedar surge
Doesn't the sidekick look to large? It's very much bigger than chiefs hands. Maybe even larger than the magnum
vague scroll
weapons are traditionally upscaled in the first person view
but the actual weapon is not actually that big
a good example of this is how the sniper rifle shrinks when you give it to a Army trooper in Reach
there was a funny post on reddit today where someone used the hand for scale and argued that the handgun was 15 inches in length or the like
in real life as a 10mm round, you're looking at a ~7 inch gun in length
the real weapon is tiny but they upscale it for the purpose of gameplay - such as making sure the ADS looks clean and proper
cedar surge
What about that legacy of onyx cover I think it was where the magnum was still big in that humans hands
vague scroll
if you look at the H5 version of the CE Magnum, the thing is comparatively massive to the vanilla Halo 5 magnum
and the CE magnum looks even more so insane when viewed in third person
cedar surge
So the guns got smaller over time?
vague scroll
no, we don't really know the background but the popular lore explanation is that the pistols existed at the same time and one was just for a different purpose
magnum is great for killing aliens because they're bigger than humans and need something massive to put them down
cedar surge
Like a mini hand canon
vague scroll
the Mk50 "sidekick" (name is kind of cutesy) is 10 mm which isn't that much bigger from a common 9mm today
the 10mm was probably a standard issue handgun of some kind that wasn't meant for fighting aliens
maybe it's so old it dates back to the Insurrection
cedar surge
If the infinity is capable of producing weapons, I don't think they would go back to using old guns that have less power
Who is gonna use a weaker gun when fighting a brute,elite, or any alien
vague scroll
most people can't fire a .50 cal handgun
at least not without hurting themselves or not being as accurate with a 10mm
I would argue personally the 10mm never went out of service and is still good for fighting Covenant
unshielded targets in particular, Kig-Yar, Unggoy, Yanme'e
anyway, that's just me theorizing - I don't really have an answer for you there
cedar surge
Oh yea didn't a covenant member get killed by antique revolver?
Like a elite or something?
vague scroll
Petra and her Colt Single Action revolver
she shot an Elite without energy shielding as I recall in the Escalations comic, it's hard to say how it went down - whether he had shields or if it got passed them
maybe she shot it too close for shields to stop the shot
or the shields just weren't up
gilded mason
Almost nobody ever has shields in visual Halo media.
vague scroll
no wonder I'm still alive 🤔
gilded mason
Use this knowledge well
vague scroll
sprints off a cliff
gilded mason
👌
versed helm
The spartan laser is the final form of a laser pointer
vague scroll
"here lies Distant Tide, may he rest in peace, as he attempted to jump off a cliff under false pretenses..."
I like that mindset Crayon
did cats evolve to match these laser pointers though?
versed helm
Unless there was a cat-like race in the covenant we dont know about. I doubt it
vague scroll
😦 darn
dreamy mesa
The chances are low, but never zero
vague scroll
maybe one day the Covenant Fringe will include a feline species... maybe I shouldn't hope for that
we'll have Halo neko girl memes going for days
versed helm
This is actually my mindset when i do anything
I always keep in mind the fact that no matter how small the chances they never can reach zero
vague scroll
this is true
dreamy mesa
Advanced cat jumping off cliff following Spartan laser can happen one day, if we believe it
Have faith my friends
clear sparrow
Anyone notice the wasp is back?
vague scroll
yee
cedar surge
Heard about Palmer throwing a knife and going through Spartan armor?
versed helm
Wut
cedar surge
Yea it sounds dumb
cedar surge
There is a difference
That's a Spartan throwing full force behind that knife
And another is a Spartan throwing a knife
clear sparrow
Spartan knives have been bloody Noble Phantasms since Reach.
They go through
-Energy Shields
-Spartan Armor
-Covenant armor
-Starship Hulls
-Forerunner Combat Skins
Am I missing anything.
vague scroll
there's a chance objects of lower velocity bypass shields
though I'm sure it's just done for cool factor
what I do like (on paper anyway) is the knife wrist launcher featured in the Collateral Damage comic
I don't really like the idea of them being knives but if they were mini hypersonic flight bodies, that'd be pretty cool
clear sparrow
The Energy Shield Doesn't quite work that way (based on object velocity) only the Gel later kind of does. It's a pretty static thing. Chief in FoR had to get used to moving arround and handling objects with what is essentially a barrier over him at all times. It's reduced a bit in the hands and feet for that reason.
vague scroll
I think shields are kind of wonky in terms of depiction through out the series ¯_(ツ)_/¯
in the K-5 trilogy, Traviss suggested that the Mark VII could include shapeable shields or something of the like I think - either that or Halsey's Journal, forget which
I don't think the technology made it into Naomi's armor though in Mortal Dictata
but I do see your point, it's a kind of baseless theory on my part regarding the knives - just one of those things that goes rather unexplained
jolly furnace
In fairness the knife went through Didact's eye socket in his helmet
not his armor proper
craggy sierra
In other media stuff like energy shields is depicted as acting as a high velocity kinetic barrier so they’ll stop bullets and shrapnel. If someone comes up and slams you with a sledgehammer though you’ll still feel it.
slim thorn
Not to mention the shockwave pierces through energy shield. You can still thrown back by massive explosions as well.
versed helm
Halo shields are constantly active*, sans sentinel shielding
sleek star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0h39Ng3HkA&feature=em-uploademail Every Known Class of Sentinel – Halo Lore
unique rune
For the most part they're supposed to be using their Gen1 Mk.IV, I'm pretty sure.
Though I believe Douglas's armor was repaired and upgraded with some Gen2 components to make a sort of hybrid.
Pretty sure Jerome and Alice also receive similar upgrades at some point.
I think the new armor parts were constructed using the Spirit of Fire's onboard production facilities, using blueprints recovered from UNSC outposts on the Ark.
Er, no, looks like the components were directly just scavenged from UNSC facilities on the Ark.
As core components of Mjolnir powered assault armor cannot be replicated by the Spirit of Fire, the Spartans of Red Team will look to take advantage of GEN2 parts recovered from UNSC outposts, ingenious reverse-engineered solutions developed by Serina, and deft modifications made by Isabel to stay in the fight. The potential amalgamation of these changes and Red Team’s original Mark IV armor could eventually allow for completely new design permutations customized to the needs of each Spartan.
Still unknown, I believe.
cedar surge
I just assume forerunner mcguffin mischief
unique rune
Still have the pile of Halo books I need to catch up on sitting in my room... maybe I'll finally get around to starting Smoke and Shadow today.
cedar surge
Does anyone know what those numbers on the sidekick says? All I got is 51,2240.12
If that was the date it was made it would really be old by now
unique rune
Looking at the image on Halopedia...
cedar surge
Don't know what the 51 means
unique rune
SN2240-12.
cedar surge
Oh I got the last two right
unique rune
I'm assuming the SN is probably short for Serial Number.
cedar surge
You guys think the insurrectionists and UNSC teamed up? The UNSC got micky back to negotiate with them
unique rune
Curious... the VK78 has its caliber written on the side with a Kal preceding it.
Might suggest a manufacturer of German origin.
Or maybe I'm reading too much into it.
jagged vine
Are there any specific halo books I should buy? I think I have all of the escalation and initiation graphic novels and I really enjoyed those so
cedar surge
Try fall of reach? Or contact harvest
jagged vine
Alright
vague scroll
@unique rune I had a friend suggest a similar premise calling it “People’s Carbine” in German or the like. It’s kind of reaching but there’s a fair few Innie colonies that could fit that motif. Gao or Venezia maybe
vague scroll
6.5 mm
Which is one of the calibers considered to replace 5.56 mm for the US military recently
versed helm
So chief started wearing gen 3 armor before the events on zeta halo
vague scroll
As early as the events of upcoming book Halo:Shadows of Reach, yeah
unique rune
So what does the carbine shoot again? I remember somebody saying it shot uranium rods or something along those lines but I’m not sure if that’s actually the case
If you're talking about Covenant carbines, the Human-Covenant War-era Type-51s fired caseless radioactive ammunition.
Some post-war types like the Type-57 fire ammunition without the radioactive element.
vague scroll
Huh, I thought he was asking about the commando, my bad lol
unique rune
Would've figured the same, if not for the bit about uranium.
vague scroll
Yeah I was starting to say that sounds like fan speculation then saw your post, honestly forgot about the covenant carbine in the moment
quasi apex
Did the gravemind from halo 2
have knowledge of the flood forerunner war
vague scroll
Yes
When a Gravemind reaches significant critical mass it can recall previously lost information
quasi apex
Is that because of the floods relation to the precursor
quasi apex
Aight so that means that the flood at the coordination stage would have the ability to use forerunner tech
vague scroll
Yes, as early into the stage as Halo 2 he was already tapping the Halo teleportation network
And even in between the feral stage with a proto-Gravemind we’ve seen them attempt to access advanced technology like slipspace drives - see, The Mona Lisa
quasi apex
Ohhhh that’s how it teleported the chief and arbiter
vague scroll
Aye
quasi apex
And how come the flood can awakening the nightmare had to form a new Proto Gravemind like shouldnt some of the original grave mind that was on high charity have survived Sense infection form survived
*in awakening
thin herald
cedar surge
Guess the explosion chief did killed the whole gravemind
vague scroll
Well, the Halo did fire - it wasn’t an explosion but rather a proper firing
The halo’s beam instead shook the Proto-Halo to pieces
But it did do it’s job and kill all the higher order Flood and it’s food
So it was forced back into the feral stage
quasi apex
Right but also remember when chief blew up the reactors
vague scroll
That was CE
quasi apex
Like I don’t think any of the Fletcher should’ve survived
*flood
No in halo three in the mission Cortana you destroy a bunch of high charities reactors
vague scroll
Technically they didn’t, the flood broke out again among the survivors of Thel’s fleet instead
quasi apex
Oh
vague scroll
Oh that... right...
quasi apex
Didn’t know that
And even after that explosion in high charity the grave man was still able to send flood from high charity to the new Proto halo
vague scroll
You do detonate the High Charity reactors but it didn’t seem to do the same job
Yee
So it didn’t quite do the job necessary to finish it off
Not quite the same explosion I guess
quasi apex
Also there is one terminal entry I read where guilty spark was having an argument with the arcs monitor where was it
vague scroll
000 Tragic Solitude I think
I don’t personally recall which terminal since I haven’t read them all myself
quasi apex
Is he seen ever in The eu
It’s one of the terminals on the mission where you also find the cartographer
quasi apex
Y
vague scroll
Humans damaged the ark
quasi apex
When
vague scroll
When chief fired the proto halo
quasi apex
Oh because it was so close to the ark
vague scroll
Planetoid technically but yes
quasi apex
Was a planet
vague scroll
Smaller than a planet, I think it was about the size of a moon
quasi apex
Like pluto
vague scroll
Bigger than that I’d say
More like a Jovian moon but I don’t have a data sheet in front of me to check
quasi apex
Am I opinion I think it be best for him to use highcharity cause isn’t high Charity made out of the crust of the former planet
versed helm
As long as the ark have Constructor Sentinels it can repair itself
quasi apex
Right but I think High charity would be a good place for resources
versed helm
I’m pretty sure that the ark needs a planet for resources
vague scroll
High charity is too small, it’s only 3-400 km in size
versed helm
Plus high charity probably doesn’t have enough resources
quasi apex
I guess I know I just thought beacausr high charity was part of former planet
unique rune
The key thing there is part of.
I'm sure it could potentially be used for some materials, but it's probably not enough to be worthwhile.
vague scroll
no, the Gravemind jumped to Mars' orbit then force jumped straight to the Ark
it didn't get very close to Earth
versed helm
Plus the portal on earth is shutdown
vague scroll
usually you need a Key ship to unlock the portal through
apparently there's some security measures of some sort that prevent direct jumps to the Ark by other means
so whatever the Gravemind did, it found another way through
gilded mason
It was active at the time.
vague scroll
the portal only shutdown when the Created uprising started
quasi apex
Also what is mendicant bias doing like after the whole ark crisis
gilded mason
Unknown
quasi apex
I wish he would come back and just smack Cortana
Just I feel like a showdown to happen
versed helm
Plus didn’t a fragment of mendicant bias was carried through the voi portal to installation 00 where it try to contact John through terminals using the ghost.713 matrix?
quasi apex
Yeah and he reunited himself on the ark and became as powerful as he was before he was defeated by offenseof bass
*offensice
** offensive bias
Good lord I cannot spell today
cedar surge
Did the covenant have trouble translating human languages?
You translate one and you find out they also speak hundreds of other languages
quasi apex
Hmm
unique rune
The lingua franca of the UEG/UNSC has been established to be English, so I can't imagine it'd be that troublesome.
gilded mason
They figured out English in a few months, at least
unique rune
Most of the important stuff would've all been in the same language.
cedar surge
Heard the UNSC also used French but not sure about that
versed helm
What does “just die” mean
How was truth able to walk for a few seconds in halo 3 on the ark Ik that San’Shyuum body’s are extremely frail
I’d say you shift in consciousness similar to the demon process Doom has @versed helm
How was truth able to walk for a few seconds in halo 3 on the ark Ik that San’Shyuum body’s are extremely frail
@versed helm forget that, how was he able to hold a Spike Rifle, something that weighs 7 kilos, by the end of two fingertips?
I also lol at Chief tanking more punches to kill Regret than he does for Wraith hatches
craggy sierra
I don’t think they’re that weak. They’re up and walking around all over the place in H2A terminals
I think they’re just lazy
versed helm
^
paper hedge
Kat 😔
cedar surge
Isn't in the H2A terminals taking place thousands of years ago during the formation of the covenant?
gilded mason
What happens if you kill somebody who’s been assimilated into the flood? Does their conscience live on in the hivemind or do they just die?
They live on.
So, as a protip: do not get infected unless you like misery for eternity
severe comet
does anyone know if thel vadam is still alive???
gilded mason
Yes.
severe comet
he is
gilded mason
Yup.
paper hedge
Who has written fanfics
cedar surge
I havnt but I read a bunch of ones
I recommend the halo X BSG one
To bad like a lot of fanfics it hasn't been finished for a while
Wait so Keyes is technically still suffering in the hive mind?
Thought we ended his suffering
gilded mason
I guess it's a bit more ambigious if there's no local Gravemind
unreal lodge
, there could be proto grave mind in storage at Zeta halo it was a ring used for researching the flood afterall
versed helm
I’m still struggling with comprehending Ruutian Jackal physiology. I mean they seem fragile in some interpretations, but at times they’re shown to be weirdly powerful
cedar surge
In the demo its like they are twigs so the banished must be starving them
versed helm
Lol, yeah. I love skinny covenant returning
They weren’t so fond of having Jackals on Atriox’ ranks, so I’m surprised if they feed them at all XD
paper hedge
My Vale and Kat fanfic is almost complete
cedar surge
If the didact composed the gravemind could he just lock him away forever? I'm not to familiar in that part of lore
terse lava
no, as the flood corruption would just overtake whatever it was stored in
versed helm
I doubt it would contain him forever
cedar surge
Doesn't the flood need a AI to corrupt?
cedar surge
Thought the logic plague only allies to AI
terse lava
the logic plague is capable of affecting organic beings too
we see an example with the ur-didact and a forerunner jurdical
terse lava
to an extent yes a precursor "world engine" AI could
forerunner AI can only affect hardlight matter though, they can't jusst make a person poof into dust
versed helm
Cortana could to blue team’s weapons
She also teleported him into the domain, I mean that’s pretty telling in of itself
Without having any nodes at hand or anything like that
terse lava
teleported chief?
terse lava
she never teleported them in to it, they walked into a physical place that held the domain.
a node of it
versed helm
Oh, was that a platform
Why were they standing on a platform smh
Anyway, so Gravemind did it to chief and arbiter anyway, he was just flesh and uh.. blood, mucus stuff
terse lava
yes, the gravemind teleported them
versed helm
And it’s not like he pushed buttons under camera’s view with his tendrils
versed helm
That’s only within the ring, though. It doesn’t send you to High Charity
terse lava
High Charity was close enough
same thing as Cortana teleporting chief into a Covenant ship in CE
versed helm
Well, that was on the ring. Plus the displacement was all kinds of messed up from doing that due to the interference of a ship
Several thousand kilometers from the surface is a different cookie
terse lava
yes, and she was a rather limited human AI who had to work with the power core of chief's suit. The gravemind meanwhile has trillions of minds worth of knowledge to work with and an entire ring's teleportation grid
versed helm
I mean it’s a silly argument to make, anyway. We already know the gravemind warps space and time given the map “codex” that was shared for Halo 5
That was even prior to the “keymind” evolution before it’s nomenclature was softly retconned
terse lava
truth be told the "prime gravemind" that held the Primoridal's mind could have been a keymind
least in the original sense of the word
versed helm
All graveminds hole the primordial’s mind
And either way, “keymind” no longer means what it used to anymore. There’s also it communicating directly with chief in Halo 3
versed helm
I think neural physics has a strong connection to slipspace in general
terse lava
quite likely, wouldn't shock me if slipspace is literally "sewn together" via star roads
seeing as they go extra-dimensonal
versed helm
I’d say it’s more the other way around, beginning from a less physically dense state
It’s not so much “magic” as it is more just the flood also existing within a higher dimensional space. This also seems to also be the case for human consciousness in general, given prometheans
terse lava
well we do know pretty much everything precursor related is higher dimensional
versed helm
I think of it more from a higher playing field. It’s similar to the analogy of 2D and 3D comprehension - an ant that has only the perspective of left, right, back forth etc will not be able to comprehend something that goes up and down
In the same way when Precursors do something to our eyes it looks magical
But in reality, it’s just more of what’s already there
terse lava
mhm
versed helm
Halo’s kind of pretty void of psychic kinda stuff until it isn’t
But even then it’s rather scientifically based, not the “magic is simply unexplainable influence” schtick
terse lava
true, closest I think it has come to that were the "crystalized time" prisons
cedar surge
Ain't neural physics the closet halo got to magic?
terse lava
yep
versed helm
Crystallised time?
Sounds fascinating
Ain't neural physics the closet halo got to magic?
@Dr.Lance#8076 the concept of magic is a fickle and subjective thing, anyway
cedar surge
That jackal sniping me in under a second seemed pretty magical
versed helm
H2 Jackal snipers are just.. i pray that they’re that tough in the canon because it’s just not fair
lethal comet
As we saw in headhunters, they're not that tough
carmine sleet
The Jackal sniper seen in Headhunters doesn't fight the Spartans because they snook by it due to it sleeping. Plus, it was blown up as well
versed helm
One of them stops Chief from assassinating Truth.
wary rain
versed helm
No.
craggy sierra
He is catheterized though
versed helm
Yeah, for obvious reasons though.
craggy sierra
Yeah but that’s just a little fun fact Nightmare gets to latch on to instead
hoary shuttle
Yum
versed helm
:/
steep pewter
So guys is the new Armour in Halo Infinite gonna be Gen 2 or Gen 3 Mark I?
versed helm
One of the MC sets lists an armour set as "Mk 7".
carmine sleet
Chief's armour in Infinite is Gen 3 Mark VI
steep pewter
Are there Gen III Mark I to Mark V armours?
carmine sleet
They more than likely are calling it Gen 3 Mark VI for the fact that it looks like Gen 1 Mark VI
If there's a Gen 3 Mark V, it'll likely look like the classic Mark V
steep pewter
Oh cool. Thanks!
lethal comet
Is the helioskrill set canon?
carmine sleet
Yes, it's a canon armour set
steep pewter
Gen 2 Mark VII was the first to implement thrusters for the armour right?
Issued to Spartan IV's
stiff creek
I don't think so.
carmine sleet
We don't have any known Spartans who wear Helioskrill
carmine sleet
That's because Helioskrill was made by an Elite
lethal comet
Still don't get how the artisan had the gen 2 mjolnir suite
carmine sleet
They were given access
steep pewter
The armour John wears during Halo 2 Halo 3 and Halo 4 were Gen I MarkVI right?
humble yacht
yes
steep pewter
The visual difference of Armour between 3 and 4 were just visual right?
humble yacht
no
carmine sleet
Nanomachines, son
humble yacht
while chief was in cryo, Cortana used the cryo machine's nanomachines to alter Chief's armor to a different look
lethal comet
Still sounds like a lame way to explain art changes
carmine sleet
Just gotta live with that
steep pewter
It looks cool in multiplayer, but never liked bright colours on Gen 2 armours.
Also the rounded modules of armour of Osiris is just meh.
Where as Blue team also wears Gen 2 but that looks awesome with hard angled edges and all.
stiff creek
Probably 'cuz they're based off of Gen 1 armors or something.
Does any spartan wear the helioskrill tho
Actually, even though it probably isn't canon, the fireteam Shadow Megablox set has one Spartan in Helioskrill.
humble yacht
vale should have been in helioskrill, it would have fit her character in H5
carmine sleet
Thank you! Glad to know I ain't the only one who thinks that
humble yacht
though i could also see some sangheili looking at it as pandering
carmine sleet
Some might, others might see it as a sign of respect
spark sluice
hey does anybody know when wil we be able to see master chiefs face
spice ore
Halo 4 Legendary ending + Halo Fall of Reach animated serie
safe iron
Yeah
spark sluice
what
spark sluice
oh i under stand
i know
just forgot
btw do ya guys know if we will be able to see jhons face
spice ore
Wha-
safe iron
Wdym John is master chief
Like his wiki page is literally called John 117
He's called master chief because of his rank
Petty Officer Master Chief or something
inner basin
Other way around, Master Chief Petty Officer. You were close
spice ore
Lmao in French he's just called "Major"
humble yacht
technically he's a MCPON
safe iron
Isn't Master Chief Petty Officer the same as Sergeant Major of the Marines (not Johnson's rank but just below it)
It's the highest rank in the UNSC Marine Corps I believe
spice ore
No otherwise 117 couldn't possibly disobey a direct order
humble yacht
MCPON is the highest enlisted rank of the navy
inner basin
Well technically the Spartans weren’t enlisted, but instead conscripted
humble yacht
yea well they weren't gonna tell the navy that
safe iron
Kidnapped
cedar surge
So Spartans outrank everyone?
humble yacht
No
hardy axle
It’s mentioned somewhere (maybe mythos) that a lot of officers will defer to chief in situations.
Guy saves the galaxy, your probably not too fussed about his rank.
cedar surge
Well didn't the infinity kinda mutiny for master chief?
carmine sleet
Well didn't the infinity kinda mutiny for master chief?
I don't recall a mutiny happening on the Infinity
cedar surge
Like disobeying del Rio orders
carmine sleet
They didn't take over the ship from Del Rio, which is what you do in mutinies, since it would be an act of open rebellion against someone. They just didn't do anything to stop Chief
hardy axle
They ignored his orders to arrest chief. Even Palmer looks at delrio like, really?!
carmine sleet
They still didn't rebel against Del Rio
gilded mason
They didn't take over the ship from Del Rio, which is what you do in mutinies
This is one of the definitions of 'mutiny':
refuse to obey the orders of a person in authority.
carmine sleet
Ah, I see
cedar surge
How del Rio got control of the infinity is a mystery to me
tropic forge
Del Rio got the Infinity because she needed a captain that the navy at large wouldn’t miss.
cedar surge
So they gave the flagship of the entire navy the worst captain
humble yacht
It’s because it wasn’t intended to be used for military ops
Also, parangosky liked Lasky and lasky served under Del Rio
opal birch
Wasn't Del Rio given the command of Infinity cause he had a reputation of getting his ships home?
cedar surge
If it wasn't meant for military ops why does it have so many weapons and components
If it wasn't for military ops why does it get into so many battles
It even canabalizied its sister ship to repair itself
humble yacht
It was originally meant for mil ops but after the war it was repurposed for peaceful mission
Tho of course, life got in the way
And jul
opal birch
and the Created
inner basin
Well the Created is affecting more than just the Infinity now. The previous engagements were more limited to who they effected (and one happened to be the Infinity)
craggy sierra
I mean peaceful missions in the Halo universe still need defences
Like if you’re out poking around the middle of space you still have pirates, insurrectionists, covenant splinter factions, and depending on what space ruin you’re poking around in, maybe even flood.
I think the Infinity itself might have at points been overseeing flood extermination missions on rings to clean them. So it makes sense they’re packing heat.
humble yacht
They might have been prepped for such missions
Would make sense given the history with the rings
But there’s a difference between being prepared for limited combat applications and being prepared for all out war
I guess since infinity was originally built to be humanity’s last bastion, naturally it would be decked out with fancy weapons, and even after the war, it wouldn’t make sense to disarm the ship. But while the infinity had those weapons, it’s not like they were expecting to ever enter another conflict like the Covenant war
cedar surge
Yea but it canabilized its sister ship to repair itself
Why couldn't the UNSC build new parts
Now the eternity will take longer
gilded mason
It might have been a matter of: Do we want to spend more time down with both ships unusable, or take already existing parts from a ship that isn't ready yet anyway, to get our one actually competitive ship back up and running faster?
humble yacht
Better to have at least one in play than both in repairs
gilded mason
Yup
cedar surge
Maybe the infinity wouldn't get so damaged all the time if they have it a bigger escort than some frigates
humble yacht
Maybe they’d have that if they planned to send infinity into battle
cedar surge
Which they do. The infinity constantly gets into battles
With Jul mdamas covenant,with the prometheans,insurrectionists,created
At this point they should just expect it
What about the reqieum campaign
humble yacht
They the second time around they were prepared
Until they brought a forerunner artifact on board that tethered them to the planet
cedar surge
Who would have thought that would be a bad idea
The infinity is the galaxies chew toy
gilded mason
It's punishing them for their hubris. =)
cedar surge
That's what humanity gets for saying they were the big dogs now
When I actuality there probably are covenant remnants that are triple tines the size of the UNSC that could destroy it
last anchor
If they could stop fighting among themselves and acutally focus on a major enemy buuuutttt Covenant spliter groups tend to squabble and bicker and fight each other so
This is what happens when you decapitated a religious military dogmatic government
cedar surge
Who knows with the craziness of the created takeover many remnants could have joined the banished
Might also explain how the banished got those new weapons
They have the ability to produce them now
But I really hope they keep the banished look from HW2 for the banisjed
last anchor
They ported the Phantom over wholesale...
cedar surge
Well was it gameplay banished phantom or cutscene banished phantom?
Oh yes I heard a theory that the station we saw in the become trailer was attached to a sky hook
From I00
jolly furnace
I hope to see Primordium locales, Palace of Pain, a gondola, a Power Station, the Cartographer on this ring
versed helm
Was there ever a "golden age" for humanity? Where inventions were being produced left, right and centre?
torpid sapphire
I would say the closest to golden age was probably when the slipspace drive was created
When Humanity began expanding
so, mid-late 22nd? Century
terse lava
Nah would be ancient humanity before their war with the flood and later the forerunners
versed helm
Not talking about that period.
terse lava
In that case would agree on the 22nd century
last anchor
The Dominus Diaspora
cedar surge
Feels like a lot of the post war factions are just in the shadow of the covenant
vague scroll
that's because they are
a bunch of upstarts can't compare to a 3000 year old empire
humble yacht
yeah
west silo
Question how did the the unsc dusk make it to earth faster than the keyship through the same portal?
last anchor
Thats the prowler from Ghosts of Onyx right?
humble yacht
what portal?
unique rune
With the advances in terraforming technology that accompanied this boom of technological development, Mars was transformed into a planet with near-Earth conditions, becoming home to many.
Halopedia says it was terraformed
citing the Halo Encyclopedia
gilded mason
They did it, Bobbie. They did it.
unique rune
Yeah
The Phoenix Log description mentions that the modifications made to Banished Scarabs are... less than healthy for the Lekgolo inside.
gilded mason
Yeah, the Banished seem to be a pretty horrible faction to be part of if you're not in some high-ranking role
vague scroll
@cedar surge There's no portal near/at Mars
there's the Voi Portal on Earth though
pretty sure that's more of a gameplay mechanic than due to lore
that said we've seen both mechanical and lekegolo-controlled scarabs
you could argue that the Lekegolo don't care for who their masters
or their ideology
not really
they're as bad as humans one way or another
I think it's just a gameplay mechanic and it's just looking into it too much tbh
checking HP, it's definitely a lekegolo-driven one
obsidian thistle
Note that the Arbiter in Halo Wars 1 did suggest to do stuff the Banished would actually push on their Scarabs. So one could say the Scarabs in those games are a lil harsh to the Lekgolo in them.
I'll nab the source brb
I would link the og source but thats sadly long defunct.
With no archive bar a lotta assets, the full text and proof it existed.
So yea the Halo Wars 1 Scarab could be seen as close to the Halo Wars 2 Scarab in terms of how they function.
Plus the HW1 design be odd
Its not the normal T-47B, its an alt chassis that tbh could have numerous behind the hood changes
west silo
what portal?
@humble yacht
The keyship portal at the end of two
humble yacht
That portal closed after the key ship entered it
gilded mason
That portal closed after the key ship entered it```
No it didn'tIt deactived from the Ark getting damaged
vague scroll
they're not talking about Voi @gilded mason
gilded mason
...Oh
vague scroll
they're talking about the time between the Key Ship getting to Earth and how everyone but Chief got there before Chief
our lovely heroes minus Chief returned to Earth before Chief aboard a Covenant warship of some sort. We're not really sure how much earlier they got back but based on some of the internal lore - the Chief was aboard the Keyship for a couple weeks
the Fall of High Charity takes place on November 3rd
he lands on Earth on November 17th
humble yacht
Yep
gilded mason
Explain further on what you mean.
versed helm
And are there any LGBTQ covenants aliens
gilded mason
Would make sense
versed helm
LOL
When chief was punching the profit in the face in halo 2 the profit quietly says harder daddy
vague scroll
i regret even reading these remarks
cedar surge
Sometimes you just sigh and move on
How exactly are the banished still up and running? The only ship cortana couldn't track was the infinity
gilded mason
The only ship cortana couldn't track was the infinity
Honestly, that side conversation from Cortana in H5 about that was weird
gilded mason
Why can’t Cortana “see” the Infinity? You’d think that, of all the human ships that exist, Infinity would be the easiest to “see” since it has Forerunner engines which were consistently taken advantage of in Spartan Ops by multiple throwaway plot devices. Yet Cortana, with all the knowledge and power of the Domain, cannot see it…
unique rune
Protected by the most durable and versatile material known to man: plot armor
vague scroll
it's a Forerunner engines actually might suggest the opposite
that it's harder to detect
but yes always plot armor
ocean kite
Does anyone mind helping me out with some really basic lore questions I have?
I haven't really payed attention to the lore since reach
gilded mason
Whatcha need?
versed helm
Harder daddy
ocean kite
Ok so remember these are really basic questions so I apologise if they're obvious aha
But first off
Why exactly are the covenant and elites back in Halo 4?
What happened to the unsc and the elites joining in Halo 3 and defeating the prophets and such?
versed helm
I hate the Prometheans never liked fighting them
gilded mason
Why exactly are the covenant and elites back in Halo 4?```
A splinter faction. After all, billions upon billions of people out there. Not all of 'em are gonna feel the same way about thingsI see
gilded mason
Thel and Rtas went on to found the Swords of Sanghelios, which is allied to the UEG/UNSC to this day
ocean kite
And then why are the promethians and such evil?
Aren't they related to the forerunners?
I thought the forerunners wanted to preserve life at all costs
gilded mason
Forerunners are a...complex society.
Ranging from those that want to help others to absolutely evil people
ocean kite
Ah
gilded mason
The Prometheans in the games were being controlled by those that want to do others harm
ocean kite
And then why are they with the covenant in 5?
gilded mason
They aren't with the Covenant in 5
ocean kite
Aren't there promethians in the opening cinematic to 5?
When the team skydive down the mountain and such
gilded mason
Yes. They're battling Jul's Covenant at the time, which is how Osiris even managed that jump
ocean kite
So the promethians are with the covenant?
gilded mason
They're battling Jul's Covenant
ocean kite
What's that?
versed helm
I wonder how hunters reproduce....oh god nvm
gilded mason
What's that?```
...They're fighting them?I know but like
What's the difference between that and other covenant
I didn't play Halo 5 so I'm a little confused aha
Sorry
gilded mason
The Covenant you fight in Halo 4 and Halo 5 is Jul's Covenant splinter faction.
ocean kite
Ah ok
And the promethians joined that splinter faction?