I also hate that 343 basically retconned the forerunners into a warmongering civilization no better than humans
#lore-and-universe
candid ledge
dire timber
And ha¡o custom edition
cedar surge
Why
dire timber
Is better
cedar surge
@candid ledge
versed helm
Installation 07 was where the precursor was
cedar surge
It was actually ironic that the covenant believed the forerunners to be perfect gods but they were not that better than anybody else@candid ledge
cedar surge
Well its only was a 6 minute demo
You can't base your entire judgment of the game on that
candid ledge
because they were a race so far above everyone else though that's the thing. In Halo CE guilty spark points out that chief needs a class 12 armor suit to handle the flood effectively, chiefs armor at that time was a class 2
cedar surge
@candid ledge thats technology wise
cedar surge
To have them as the perfect race would be unrealistic
dire timber
Anyway, let’s discuss lore.
candid ledge
halo was never meant to be realistic
dire timber
Danes, but it became realistic.
And they didn’t even tyr.
The story is realistic.
500 years in the future? Dam realistic.
versed helm
"What state is the version of the game we saw today? Will the visuals improve?
Lee: Halo Infinite is still very much in development. The team is very focussed on bringing the best experience possible to fans and we still have a ways to go. So this is definitely a pre-release version of the game that folks are seeing today."
candid ledge
og forerunners gave up their entire civilization to keep the flood from destroying everything they're created, saving other races including humans. Idk, that's more inspiring and hopeful
dire timber
Maxx, may I remind you
candid ledge
343 just turned them into generic ancient sci fi bad guys
dire timber
It’s been in development for 5 years.
cedar surge
They reeseeded the galaxy after the firering
cedar surge
Sure they digitized and Deevolved humanity,shunned the prophets, enforce their will over other species
But they reeseeded the galaxy after the fireing and left
candid ledge
Idk it was just stupid to me how forerunner technology was pretty much equal to unsc and cov technology in 4 and 5 that you were able to kill beings that supposedly superior technology
cedar surge
Oh and killing their creators
dire timber
Danex,
They cant just mass produce infinite health
Beings
While having
Themselves being eaten by aliens.
cedar surge
@candid ledge the forerunners are above and beyond everyone in the galaxy technologically
@dire timber plus we fought forerunner Sentinals in the og trilogy
dire timber
The Covenant are only about 500 Years ahead of humanity in tech.
Sentinels are not meant to fight us.
cedar surge
Where is the critism there
dire timber
There focused more on fighting the flood.
dire timber
Oh ok.
versed helm
Who is The Harbinger guy mentioned in the gameplay demo?
Crocker: Well, first of all, you’re making an assumption it’s a guy, and the second part is we’re not going to explain that today! But we are building new stuff for the game and we really look at this, as Chris was just saying, as the stepping stone to the future. We have a lot of references to the past but we’re trying to build new stuff as well. What the Harbinger is, you’ll have to play the game to find out.
dire timber
Who else heard arbiter.
cedar surge
Its not
cedar surge
I heard harbinger
gusty whale
Idk I immediately heard harbinger and was like “cortana”
dire timber
No why would she serve atriox.
cedar surge
You know there are other people in the galaxy other than cortana right?
dire timber
Insurectionits maybe?
cedar surge
Other covenant remnants,other AI
gusty whale
Yeah I was thinking another covie faction as well
dire timber
I thought innies.
cedar surge
Maybe a forerunner AI like MB
dire timber
Brb
gusty whale
But the reason I thought cortana is because the banished seem to be doing fine whereas the unsc is not, and we know the unsc got attacked by cortana, maybe she struck a deal with atriox
cedar surge
She wouldn't strike a deal with anyone
dire timber
She wants control.
cedar surge
Either you work for her or you die
dire timber
No way she’d even work with him
cedar surge
Plus it goes against banished goals to work under someone like cortana
gusty whale
But maybe it was like the flood in halo 2 and 3, like “we’re trying to achieve the same thing so let’s do it together” and then she’ll betray them after
dire timber
No way.
gusty whale
But who knows tbh
dire timber
She would not do it still.
cedar surge
They did it in 3 cause it was out of neccisty
dire timber
I can’t believe infinite’s PG
cedar surge
To stop everyone from dying
dire timber
It’s the lowest rating halo game in my country.
gusty whale
Yeah that’s bad
candid ledge
halo used to be M lol
dire timber
M is MA 15 plus in my country
cedar surge
They want kids to play it I guess
gusty whale
Imagine
candid ledge
Makes sense with how cartoony they made halo 5
gusty whale
I just don’t want it’s rating to infringe on it’s story
dire timber
sexual groan
deep pewter
Halo never really earned an M
dire timber
Halo 2 Had MA
cedar surge
I don't think cartoony is a really bad thing, every game aside from reach has been "cartoony"
gusty whale
Like I don’t want it to leave something out because it’s not 8 year old friendly
candid ledge
halo 3 and odst wasn't cartoony
candid ledge
halo 1 maybe but it had some really messed up parts with keyes and the flood
dire timber
Nor was halo ace
dire timber
Halo 4 was not either, not that it’s good.
cedar surge
2 wasnt
dire timber
Halo 5 was mega blox the game.
candid ledge
halo 4 started dipping its toes into cartooniness with the prometheans
cedar surge
5 looked to floaty
dire timber
I want a true gritty horrifying halo.
versed helm
IT'S RP
dire timber
Because in canon that’s what it is.
versed helm
RATING PENDING
dire timber
No it’s not.
candid ledge
everything in halo 5 looked plastic like an action figure
dire timber
Check Xbox store lol.
cedar surge
Like it started getting rediculus when every single small piece was floating
dire timber
IKR.
unique rune
Halo’s practically always looked like plastic, I dunno what you’re on about
dire timber
Emperor are you joking.
unique rune
Like Halo 3 was especially bad about it
cedar surge
Like the guardians just have been made up of 100s of pieces
dire timber
Halo 3 when i grew up felt gritty.
dire timber
It might change for newer fans.
versed helm
Rating Pending from ESRB
dire timber
Maxx, there’s different country’s.
unique rune
As someone who just finished going through Halo 3’s campaign again like yesterday... gritty is... not exactly the word I’d use to describe it.
versed helm
yeah but if esrb hasen't said anything yet, and australia said stuff
Esrb can retcon what the australian version of esrb said
candid ledge
I wish I could send a picture and compare the textures between halo 3 and reach to halo 5
versed helm
pretty sure
dire timber
No I don’t think so.
candid ledge
everything in halo 5 has a silky smooth matte finish
cedar surge
I would not describe 3 as gritty
versed helm
🤷🏻♂️ Game will be T
candid ledge
halo 3 nd reach had more grime and grit and battle scarring
dire timber
See ya,later.
gusty whale
i could settle for t but if its e10 thats garbage
dire timber
NO NOT FLOOD?
cedar surge
Reach was halo at its grittist for me
dire timber
WE NEED FLOOD
cedar surge
Guys lore and universe channel please
candid ledge
the plastic nature of halo 3 is just due to it being an older game but halo 3 wasn't necessarily gritty nor was it cartoony
deep pewter
I hope there’s no flood
unique rune
Oh we’re still stuck on this stupid arbitrary letter slapped on the box rating
dire timber
Dam.
versed helm
@unique rune I wish i could laugh react
cedar surge
In the demo we see a base golf icon
gusty whale
and echo
cedar surge
So that means the unsc will get bases across the ring
Or a singular one
I hope this means we get to be apart of big battles between unsc and banished forces
gusty whale
that would be super cool
candid ledge
has anyone seen halo legends
gusty whale
yuh
cedar surge
The one where a a spartan has high heels?
candid ledge
there were like 12 short stories
gusty whale
yeah i thought it was pretty cool especially the first few with the flood
candid ledge
I loved the prototype spartan armor one
versed helm
Chief’s new suit does look really freaking good
gusty whale
it really does
versed helm
I love it. Shame he can’t also have Knives..
That also makes Blue Team’s appearance less likely
gusty whale
yeah it sounds like chief may be flying solo
but shadows of reach will have answers
lowkey forgot about that
its about blue team before infinite so maybe itll say what happened to them
versed helm
That may or may not be a copout to write off Blue Team and the Created arc
gusty whale
yeah true
versed helm
Again..
gusty whale
but honestly id rather that than a retcon
candid ledge
I wonder what blue team's armor will look like with the new art style
versed helm
Oh ffs, I’m annoyed by them subverting every plot in a game with books and comics
gusty whale
their armor is on shadows of reach cover
versed helm
If they do it again they are the worst writers of all time
gusty whale
its a lot like chiefs
versed helm
@gusty whale that made me hopeful for a bit, but now I’m beginning to doubt it
gusty whale
heh
candid ledge
subverting expectations is the worst trend to happen to writing
gusty whale
ive not lost hope yet
im confident itll be a very fun and beautiful game but idk about the story
versed helm
This is so cruel. It reminds me of those chambers in Nekravol from Doom Eternal where everyone’s struggling to contain hope
candid ledge
lmao build up an interesting story thread only to bring something random up just to make it "unexpected" while sacrificing the emotional payoff in the process
versed helm
Janus Key, Jul Mdama, Thorne’s arc, and the Didact are a few example
I was genuinely curious about those
deep pewter
That’s what worries me about Infinite, 343i reacts too heavily to fan criticism at times
candid ledge
allude that there's diamonds underneath a piece of cloth, slowly lifting it up to reveal nothing but a pile of dirt
versed helm
@deep pewter in all of the wrong ways possible. If they can do that but not allow for things like Classic weapons and blood then it’s borderline intentional by now
candid ledge
sure you didn't expect it, but what you got was less interesting than what you expected
versed helm
Lol, pretty much that. It’s very irritating now
You can’t just slip up that many times without intending to
versed helm
Eh, looks like something Warzone had
It’s just a weaker magnum. 10mm rounds should be useless against brutes
gusty whale
thats true
sound design for it is amazing tho
and when he popped that grunt with it in the demo
mmmm
versed helm
Well.. We’re fighting the most ruthless and hardy faction around shy of Forerunners, and yet we decided to backpedal with the weapon calibres at the same time to mimic IRL criteria..
candid ledge
dont see the point in making aweaker pistol with a weaker design
versed helm
Me neither. What, are you going to just kill Jackals or something because that’s your window with that kind of round
Brutes would laugh at it
candid ledge
magnum was cool and unique while also looking practical
versed helm
And it’s giant calibre was necesary in lore to deal with their enemies
It’s not a good time for UNSC to shift ergonomics like this, it’s very immersion breaking
gusty whale
nah the magnums amazing and i hope its still in the game but im just sayin im not against some of the new designs
candid ledge
what is 343 thinking
versed helm
I mean, why is 6.8mm used as a powerful precision weapon supposed to be stronger than the AR’s 7.62?
candid ledge
why are their weapons regressing
vague scroll
10 mm is great when you've spent the last 400 years trying to kill space human rebels
versed helm
^ but not brutes, yeah
unique rune
I mean
you have to remember that the UNSC’s like
on the run and kinda resource-strapped after everything with the Created
gusty whale
true
unique rune
if they’re going for a desperation-last stand angle it makes sense that they’d be scrounging for whatever weapons they can
vague scroll
fire anything fast enough, it won't matter how big the bullet is
candid ledge
yeah but why woud they make inferior technology when they already have effective ones available
vague scroll
10mm can still give you a kill even if it wasn't intended to bring how a humanoid rhino
unique rune
Because it’d be a waste to not use it if they have it?
gusty whale
but they should still be able to produce some simple things like the magnum
the AR looks amazing tho
versed helm
It kind of does though. A small rim diameter won’t hold enough mass to make a Brute care @vague scroll
candid ledge
even marines were able to use magnums
vague scroll
you got to look at it this way, these are not "new" guns in the lore
they've always existed - we've just never seen them before
it's why you won't see HMG-38s or Confetti Makers outside of comics
versed helm
It’d be cool to see against insurrection, I suppose
gusty whale
i like the stuff thats not replacing anything and just adding on,like the commando
i mean i guess its like the dmr but fulll auto
versed helm
Commando would do nothing against Energy Shields
vague scroll
why you don't see the XBR-55 or the SAMP-10 in the games, there's already a niche filled so these guns exist to pan out the universe - not the weapon inventory
they're just appearing now because game design allows it or encourages because we've transitioned to a semi-open world model for Halo going forward
versed helm
The XBR is just the prototype battle rifle..
candid ledge
all these years, I'm surprised unsc hasn't reverse engineered cov weapons to imrive their own
vague scroll
I'm using it as an example
candid ledge
improve*
versed helm
SAMP10s are only used for human-based conflicts
I don’t know why the UNSC would even care to put that in their arsenal, if they even could when on the run so much
vague scroll
no, SAMP-10s were built by a homegrown innie colony's industries - the reason it doesn't appear because it's niche to a specific part of space
whereas the MA5 platform has been around for almost a century
in terms of poor comparisons it would the be equivalent to the AR-15 platform
one of the most common firearms in worldwide circulation
versed helm
Servine Arms isn’t Misriah; they don’t deal with accounting for Brutes on the regular
Or Shields
vague scroll
doesn't really matter, if that is the premise you're working from then you could point to the Comet pocket pistol instead
unique rune
all these years, I'm surprised unsc hasn't reverse engineered cov weapons to improve their own
To a degree, they already have. UNSC energy shield systems are based on the original tech reverse-engineered from recovered Kig-Yar point defense gauntlets
vague scroll
these weapons have existed for as long as the Covenant war has been going on or far longer
unique rune
Halo 5’s weapon variants also show a degree of cooperation between human and Sangheili weapon and armor designers
candid ledge
wish it looked more distinct
vague scroll
the magnum preceded the Covenant War so the UNSC was then using essentially a .50 cal handgun as it's service sidearm, it's absurd but this is the Halo universe
versed helm
@candid ledge same. It looks way too much like Apex which I think is very intentional and they’re just dismissing
vague scroll
there are things that you can just write off as cool factor
versed helm
12-gauge drum mag isn’t a good idea against a Brute, either. Unless you’re just pissing it off
vague scroll
we saw the Brutes were using the 12-gauge shotguns themselves against Chief
candid ledge
343 is riding on one of the most iconic franchises of all time and their first instinct is "How can we make this more like other popular games"
versed helm
Which makes no sense. I hope they use some weird excuse that makes it ridiculously powerful
vague scroll
that's a rather unfortunate conclusion you've come to but I doubt I can shake you in that position @candid ledge
candid ledge
maybe
halo 4 and 5 they were just hopping on trends. advanced movement loadouts, etc.
versed helm
I mean, nobody ever asked for more realistic or homogenous weapon designs to match other games, or the art style. It feels a lot like they’re just following the money and pretending to satisfy the fans for hype
vague scroll
maybe for Halo 4 I'd agree that it was pursuing a very Cod-like set up but Halo 5 while taking aspects of other shooters with Spartan abilities, they did it in a manner that was unique to Halo at the very least - it still found a way to be unique
I'd be more tempted to say they've found more friends in the firearms industry tbh
people that would like to see guns in Halo be more realistic
unique rune
I feel like it doesn’t help that Reach was also kinda moving towards those trends, so... I don’t think it’s really fair to entirely blame 343.
vague scroll
but maybe that's just me having some proximity to the OpTre community among others
plus there was that rather popular gun Youtuber Garand Thumb who put out a mock review of the MA37 on April Fools that pretended to review the fictional weapon as if it existed in real life
versed helm
Trading off iconic design queues to look more realistic is a horrible decision. And it doesn’t matter who started the trend; 343 have had ten years to learn from that potential mistake
cedar surge
@vague scroll was it a good review?
vague scroll
yeah, Garand Thumb is a Halo fan
plus he used a gun nut friend of mine's Halo Fanon wiki article as inspiration for the video as well
or at least he took ques from it
gusty whale
I saw that someone is building a real life ma5
Not sure which type
Looked awesome a few months ago tho
Ammo counter and everything
vague scroll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YkloZAuHm0 this one I think?
pretty cool I agree
the one Garand Thumb posted isn't real unfortunately, unlike this one by AZflamethrower
AZ's version though unlike the Halo MA5 family is a convention rifle rather than a bullpup, and I think it's inspired by the MA5, doesn't actually look like one 1 to 1
versed helm
A single round from this Commando weapon would be 30% weaker than an MA5 per shot, unless it’s casing is ridiculously long
inner basin
But the MA5 wouldn’t be as accurate
versed helm
It already takes at least three bursts to down an Elite’s shields, so would essentially dump your whole magazine just to take them down
This Commando design is useless by Halo’s criteria
And I don’t know why the Infinity would resort to them, exactly. Even when on the run
inner basin
Yeah the whole weapon overhaul is confusing. I hope they give us a good response that either makes sense in real world (such as them just wanting to change things up instead of making excuses like Chief’s armour in Halo 4) or a REALLY good lore explanation
versed helm
They just look like guns you would see Chief use in an SFM because they couldn’t get the Halo weapon models in at the time
inner basin
But they have firing mechanics (and firing sounds) and zoom for the DMR-like weapon
Which on the topic of zoom I’m glad it’s more alike to classic Halo btw
vague scroll
Gameplay has never been a stand in for canon so regarding concerns about how weapons functions, you don’t have to have your guns look a certain way and draw expectations from them either. I think it’s rather interesting they’ve brought in these many odd job weapons but I’m liking their introduction simply because it makes the universe seem bigger.
I tried identifying the Mk50 sidekick manufacturer from the list of human corporations we have on Halopedia but it doesn’t match up with anything we’ve seen so far
So, in gameplay - yes, the new weapons are weaker in comparison to the traditional roles played by previous weapons in the same niche
cedar surge
Well the unsc wouldn't have made it if it wasnt effective
vague scroll
Technically, the MA5B should be one of the most accurate rifles you’ve ever seen in real life because it has a barrel length of over 30 inches
But in Halo it’s a spread gun
cedar surge
But in lore it isn't?
vague scroll
In lore, it’s just treated as a regular rifle
cedar surge
How are the BR and DMR treated?
vague scroll
In Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn, MA5s we’re fired in semi auto traditionally
As the role they typically fill, it makes sense from an arbitrary stand point
Of course the DMR and BR are more accurate
But in terms of the reality of lore, the MA5 and M392 Fire the same caliber and grain of bullet
The M118 7.62x39 mm NATO
Of the new weapons we got in Infinite so far... we got a VK87 Commando carbine-like “tacitcal rifle” firing 6.5mm
The 12-gauge Misriah Armory CQS-48 drum shotgun
(Which has a two shot kill like the H3 shotgun)
cedar surge
And sidekick
vague scroll
And we got the Mk50 sidekick handgun in 10mm yeah
vague scroll
No that was a M6H2
inner basin
Distant, what’s your thoughts on the new Banished/Ex-Covie weapons?
cedar surge
Wonder how the banished produced them
vague scroll
The Banished are like a small nation/empire with their own colonies
They’ve got their own industries as well
inner basin
Like how the Covenant had their own industries to create weaponry/armaments
vague scroll
@inner basin Id say my new favorite is the... plasma carbine?
cedar surge
I hope that means the use that power to actually make banished armor and not covenant 2.0 armor
vague scroll
I like the overheat meter it has built in
inner basin
The Plasma Carbine is interesting. It’s like a 3 round burst applied to the Carbine Rifle with a Plasma Rifle battery and venting system. I wonder if it’s an Ex-Covenant weapon due to the colouring scheme applied to the weapon
vague scroll
It visually reminds me of some of the carbine variants from the canceled Halo Online
Yeah I also think it’s a former Covenant weapon
cedar surge
The banished in infinite look to close to the covenant. What do you think of that brute rifle?
inner basin
Unless 343 plan on changing the textures it has applied to it, but they could make interesting backstory if they keep it how it is
vague scroll
I’m also tempted to think that the Sangheili among the Banished are actually mercenaries given their odd blue minor armor rather than Banished colors
inner basin
Aye. I was wondering that myself
vague scroll
The ravager?
inner basin
I mean the Brute armour seems fine
vague scroll
I admit I was hoping to see less H3-like Brute armor but I’m fine with the Banished style
inner basin
Well the Jackals actually seem okay too, but they typically lack armour tbf
vague scroll
I hear a lot of people aren’t fans of the Banished Phantom but I think it’s growing on me
inner basin
I think it’s too blocky personally, but it’s a minor nitpick
vague scroll
And I should answer before I forget, I’m not sure yet about how I feel on the Ravager - feels like a burst concussion rifle and I like the concussion rifle and I also dig this more blocky aesthetic but it reminds me a tad too much of Promethean weapons maybe?
Oh it’s definitely blocky from the undercarriage
I was looking at images on Halopedia of it from above though and I actually like the HW2 design
I think if they can smooth over the bouncy turning they did in the demo I’ll be happy with them
inner basin
If they wanted to I’d be fine if they pulled assets from HW2 for all the species and their vehicles
I’d also overlook the blocky Phantom too if they did that
vague scroll
I think people would be upset with that, in my own Halo Fanon discoed I’ve already seen friends remarking it felt like they just pulled assets out of Halo 5 and issues with the sound feeling straight out of 5
inner basin
Yeah but Halo 5 wasn’t recieved well (as the whole planet knows), but for HW2 I don’t see that being too much of an issue
vague scroll
I’ve also heard arguments from the other direction so I think it’s just that people haven’t picked up 5 in a while and have a hard time telling the difference or the audio team from H5 is similar and are pulling from similar sources which I’m fine with
The idea that they use pug noises for grunts makes me giddy
inner basin
Wasn’t a pug used to make the flood sounds in CE?
inner basin
I remember reading up on it a while ago. It might not have been a pug, but I do think it was an animal, a domestic animal
vague scroll
But since Halo 4 theyve been using one of the company’s employee’s dogs as their grunt noise maker
Ah gotcha, I could see Flood being dogs
inner basin
Would make sense on why Grunts pant sometimes (not the Flood thing btw the point before that)
vague scroll
As much as Halo 5 earned a bad wrap, sound design was one of those things I felt they nailed
inner basin
I mean in the Discover Hope trailer, hearing the Mjolnir armour clang against the Pelican metal floor just got me excited
vague scroll
I know I’m probably not going to earn much positive response with that statement since people miss the distinct Gun noises from the Bungie era which I think some of them didn’t even come from firearms
Oh yeah that smack was a good solid hit
I watched the audio shorts 343i put out and I was able to identify the buggy distinctly they used for the warthog noise
inner basin
It kinda sounds like it’s electric now. I don’t know if it’s always been like that, but I dig it for sure
cedar surge
Going by the trailer it looks like the unsc still has at least a few planets left
inner basin
Planets?
vague scroll
You’re talking about the become trailer?
cedar surge
Yes
inner basin
Oh you mean that aren’t being policed by Cortana
vague scroll
It’s possible but planets aren’t hard to come by
cedar surge
Yea
vague scroll
There’s a lot more planets than there are garden worlds
cedar surge
Do you think that massive hole comes from mining or a guardian awakening?
unique rune
As much as Halo 5 earned a bad wrap, sound design was one of those things I felt they nailed
Would have to agree with that
In general I think I prefer how 343’s handled sound design for the games
I like how much crisper and punchier everything feels
Bungie’s sound effects had some kinda interesting stuff but I’ve never been a fan of how... subdued it tended to feel
vague scroll
I’ve heard rumors that the station/space tether they used was a Damascus construction platform
cedar surge
A what?
cedar surge
I heard that it was built over chi chiti I think. I'm not to familiar with that part of lore
vague scroll
Chi Ceti IV is a human colony world with some rich mineral resources
It also hosts the Damascus Test Facility which is run by ONI and where the MJOLNIR armor was first conceived
cedar surge
Make sense why big mining hole then
inner basin
I’ve heard rumors that the station/space tether they used was a Damascus construction platform
So you think that’s why GEN3 was being made there?
vague scroll
This does not look like that planet
The confusion for me is I’ve heard people talk about a Damascus station rather than a test base
Which makes me think there was at some point a type of space station that was also called Damascus? This is me trying to figure out what is going on because I don’t even know where or what it is in the become trailer
But I will say this
Damascus as a term has been used several times for different, though related things in the Halo lore
inner basin
But it’s mostly used in a topic when discussing the construction of Mjolnir
vague scroll
I don’t think this planet is Damascus or the station is Damascus but I’ve heard some rumors mentioning it so I’m puppeting the term
Exactly
So it’s got even me confused
inner basin
I’ve been saying this a lot but I guess we’ll have to wait for Infinite and see if it gives us any answers
vague scroll
As for the Created, given that human territory is big - I still don’t think Cortana has enough Guardians to police all of human and Covenant territories
Agreed
cedar surge
Or shadows of reach
vague scroll
Shadows of Reach makes me nervous only in that I’m really hoping they don’t kill Blue Team or Osiris
cedar surge
Plus cortana can't just willy nilly EMP every time. She causes ships to fall out of orbit and onto the planet,kill people in hospitals, causing other indirect deaths
vague scroll
I trust Denning as an author and I don’t think 343i would throw out so beloved characters but we’ve seen Rookie and Black Team get knocked off so I’m at least concerned
cedar surge
I'm sure they learned their lesson
vague scroll
Well I don’t think there’s a lesson to be learned
Rookies death made narrative sense
Black team though was definitely weird
cedar surge
Hopefully they don't kill good characters like nameless mooks to make the bad guy look evil
vague scroll
The appearance of Locke’s helmet or at least a Hunter-class Helmet on the pauldron of one of the Banished commanders in a upcoming Mega Construx set is making people nervous though
inner basin
I trust Denning as an author and I don’t think 343i would throw out so beloved characters but we’ve seen Rookie and Black Team get knocked off so I’m at least concerned
Tbf Rookie’s death served a purpose and Black Team was killed by an author who doesn’t have the best track record with Halo (I still hate The Next 72 Hours arc)
vague scroll
Yeah Next 72 Hours isn’t my favorite arc of Escslations
cedar surge
Is that when the Didact comes back?
inner basin
Yeah
vague scroll
But I’ve made my peace with Reed’s contributions to the franchise and I’ve come to the opinion that I think the fanbase was too harsh on him
inner basin
He did make some questionable decisions
I wouldn’t say I’m too harsh compared to others, but his contributions weren’t too good imo
vague scroll
He may not have had the best track record but I think he proved he was a competent writer - and looking at his resume for Halo, a lot of his narrative contributions appear to be born of bottlenecks and sudden changes in narrative for halo
A lot of whiplash that he had to be the wheelman for
cedar surge
You mean scapegoat?
vague scroll
He was lead on Spartan Ops but Halo 4’s player retention was low and lead to a shut down of future seasons
Yeah a bit of a scapegoat but I also think he’s partially responsible so I’m not going to call him a scapegoat either
I just think he was in an unfortunate predicament
cedar surge
Do you think the same will happen for 343s plan for infinite to last 10 years?
That happened to spartan ops
vague scroll
Escalations appears to be what the canceled SO seasons were supposed to be
cedar surge
The ten year plan?
vague scroll
And then he was made lead writer on Halo 5 and you see all of his ideas for Spartan Ops seem to get squashed very quickly left and right
cedar surge
Huh kept seeing articles say it over and over again
inner basin
They all regurgitate the rubbish one article says
vague scroll
Jul died in Halo 5’s first mission, the Absolute Record was wrapped up abruptly
It looks like Reed’s early ideas got bundled and pushed to the side, then a year later he leaves 343i
Seems unfair in retrospect
vague scroll
Haven’t seen any thrusters yet
But canonically they’re still in since they’ve been in every other suit according to the current lore
robust star
yeah as i understand it GENERALLY they're just meant to be for movement in zero-gravity environments so they're kinda always there you just never use 'em
cedar surge
Wonder if they are also going to put in those wrist blades from that one comic
vague scroll
That’d be interesting though I’m not sure how viable it would be
Wrist launcher might be cool though
The secondary blade function I mean
Could nail people to walls like Deus Ex
Comic is called Collateral Damage btw
cedar surge
Yea that one where the unsc sacrifices the innies
cedar surge
Those are good insurrectionists since they didn't fall for the covenant and teamed up with the ubsc
It would have been cool to see him join the unsc to fight the covenant like others have done, but then the unsc betrayed hin
Are there any post war space battles that don't focus on the infinity?
vague scroll
Not off the top of my head?
Don’t think there’s been much space combat outside the infinity lately
inner basin
I mean considering how early in the Covenant War it was, I’m surprised the Innies didn’t try to side with the Covenant alike to how they tried to in one of Troy’s books
vague scroll
Hehehe Cole Protocol yeah let’s trade with the Jackals
Give them the location of Earth even
inner basin
Are there any post war space battles that don't focus on the infinity?
@Dr.Lance#8076 Does the SoF count? Before Jerome and Isabel took the Enduring Conviction down, there were skirmishes and shots between it and SoF
Stupid pings sometimes don’t work 😦
Give them the location of Earth even
@vague scroll At least it put stakes into the story. Made it a better read if you ask me
vague scroll
Oh definitely!
inner basin
Sorry for the ping btw. I typically like to take it out if that person was active recently, I’m just tired rn
vague scroll
No problem man, I’m more than happy to respond
I’m getting tired myself though and probably need some shut eye
I’ll join back in tomorrow
inner basin
Take it easy
vague scroll
Last thought, I still find it hilarious that Regret discovered a Forerunner artifact that told him where to find Earth but Truth couldn’t be bothered to let him know that it was the human homeworld
And yeah night
cedar surge
There are other admirals and fleets so they should let those other admirals and fleets shine
We went from knowing multiple admirals and different fleets and groups to only following one ship
You think tanks like the scorpion and grizzly are going to get shields soon?
Oh wait everybody asleep
inner basin
Not every vehicle needs a shield and considering how thick the plating is on both, no. I mean the Wraith doesn’t have shielding either
slim thorn
Every vehicle needs a shield for extra protection.
inner basin
Well for vehicles with thick plating it really could go to a better use
raw nebula
hey, was the arbiter (idk his name before he obtained the title of arbiter) responsible for the invasion of reach? was he the one commanding the covenant forces there?
fair hazel
He did command a large section
cedar surge
Is the armor effective against plasma? For the grizzly it must be if the covenant has to call naval assets to destroy it
south matrix
Will Halo infinite finally tie in the original Halo MC timeline along with the HW's timeline that started in 2009?
cedar surge
What? Both they are not timelines they are apart of the same universe
versed helm
They have always been connected.
cedar surge
That's like saying master chiefs and arbiters missions in halo 2 were different timelines
brisk finch
If halo started doing timeline stuff I'd permanently drop out honestly
versed helm
How much money is earned by UNSC personnel?
slim thorn
If counted inflation, possibly the Pvt could be around 3,000 credits each month. Johnson can get around 10-11k credits a month if he was a Sergeant Major.
As for Master Chief, he could earn up to 1 million credits each month. That includes compensation and also some allowances or subsidiary support from UNSC and civilians.
brisk finch
Johnson was also a special case so ONI probably gave him some silence money
slim thorn
A hush money
brisk finch
and I wonder are Spartan IIs and IIIs getting paid?
like can they even be released into Civilian life
slim thorn
I think those who are no longer services as Spartan can get paid.
brisk finch
like there only has been one functioning Spartan that retired
slim thorn
Ralph went to UNSC Marine Corps, Maria could be also receiving paycheck although she could be receiving a pension paycheck.
slim thorn
No, Maria already decides that she wants to retire from SPARTAN-II
brisk finch
the amount of information they could leak is amazing
brisk finch
Well I meant og Spartans in general
slim thorn
If does, she will have ONI involved
brisk finch
and some washouts weren't allowed to go back to civilian life
brisk finch
for not with
slim thorn
No, the Spartans will always stay close to ONI all the times and ONI will make sure that the Spartan was kept in check
brisk finch
ONI feels more like a "Work for us" kind of organization than with
quaint ice
Were there any other agencies working with the UNSC similar to ONI?
slim thorn
There is
brisk finch
The Army actually
quaint ice
right
brisk finch
and the UEG
quaint ice
UEG?
cedar surge
Well the last one got disbanded after they found there was to many traitors right?
vale pendant
what is this sotry about atroix being stuck on the ark
cant humans just open the portal on earth and travel to it
or slipspace to it
brisk finch
Its well outside of the Milky way
it would take quite a while to get there
and I think the portal is staying closed for quite some time
vale pendant
why cant it be enabled
jolly furnace
Not remotely
from the Ark
A failsafe I'd imagine
You wouldn't someone turning on a portal to your planet from somewhere else.
That would be a massive security risk
lethal comet
especially after hunters in the dark
spiral jewel
Stupid question: was Jun on the Infinity during the First and Second Requiem campaigns (Halo 4; Halo Spartan Ops) or was he elsewhere, like an off site S-4 training center?
carmine sleet
Jun was more than likely on the space station where Buck was trained during the events of Halo 4 and Spartan Ops
If he was on the Infinity, they'd have likely brought the character into the story of Halo 4 in some way
spiral jewel
He could have been off screen, but was never name dropped
spiral jewel
Also, how did the covenant recover the Arbiters armor from the deceased Ripa Moramee, after his death... So the armor could be handed down to Thel Vadam years later?
brisk finch
likely not the same armour
Ripa was a giant even for a sangheili
confirmed to be not the same armour
spiral jewel
Understood
terse lava
yea, the Arbiters all had their own armor crafted for them, rather then all sharing a single suit
spiral jewel
Must've missed over that piece of lore at some point
humble yacht
It’s just a matter of putting two and two together
Ripa’s body was never recovered because Etran Harborage was destroyed, so at the very least Thel’s armor was not the same worn by Ripa
versed helm
What's the name of that region of Mars that had a bunch of shipyards?
versed helm
Tbh,i was thinking of a Halo game set during the Interplanetary Wars,but i think COD:IW explored that scenario
paper hedge
How old was Kat when she died?
steep pewter
Is there a graphic render and image of the Forerunner artifact that Halsey manage to get from ONI Base on Reach.
The one which bends space and time and created crazy distrotions in Slipspace.
From First Strike.
How old was Kat when she died?
@paper hedge Mid 30s maybe.
paper hedge
@steep pewter I like her. Feel sad when she dies. Everytime I kill a jackal, I say: ‘this was for you Kat’
versed helm
Also,i wish that the Rainforest Wars were explored more in depth
gusty whale
was that what Crows Nest was from?
versed helm
Crow's Nest was constructed as a bunker complex for an unspecified war that evidently took place in the 20th century.[1] The hill and the Crow's Nest lie about 25 kilometers west of Voi, and a few kilometers north of Tsavo Highway. Small bunkers are located in the area surrounding Chawia Hill and along Tsavo Highway nearby. These bunkers bear numeric designations such as 6 and F6.[3]
undone obsidian
So where is Infinite located in the timeline? Is this after we stopped the guardians? Are guardians still around?
cedar surge
What? Its after halo 5 and we never stopped the guardians
Also do you think the new suit has headlight shielding like some other people think?
ornate hinge
was crows nest built for ww1 or ww2?
no fights took place in east africa during the second conflict
but still, the base could have been built for other reasons
latent mason
Do we know anything about fero after she becomes an ai
humble yacht
Do we know anything about fero after she becomes an ai
Nope
humble yacht
yes
bright heron
gilded mason
Why did you post that here?
cedar surge
You guys think the banished have total control of a few planets?
jolly sinew
they might, yeah
I still kinda wonder why the banished (or the part of the banished that Escharum is leading) is set on destroying humanity cuz it doesn't really seem like something the banished would do
it does seem like the rest of the banished think Atriox is dead though, so maybe Escharum took control of either the rest of the banished or a couple armies and went on a rampage to gain more power and control
So where is Infinite located in the timeline? Is this after we stopped the guardians? Are guardians still around?
@undone obsidian a couple years after halo 5
and judging from the opening text in the campaign demo, we lost to the created
cedar surge
Well its only a 150+ days after we lost and the UNSC lost to the created way before that, 2 years ago. So that means we must have lost to the banished on the ring
jolly sinew
I don't believe it was confirmed they've lost to the created yet? I don't read expanded lore very much tho so idk
silver acorn
can someone please explain the halo 5 story
gilded mason
I, Robot
vague scroll
@silver acorn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLxZsveI3BM
try Halo Canon's break down
paper hedge
According to halopedia, Kat was 22 years old when she died.
unique rune
WHY IS BUCK BACK
I mean he didn’t die between the end of the war and the events of Halo 5, so...
silver acorn
yeah but it feels like 343 just said "hey we got buck lol xd"
unique rune
Though the IRL reason was because they wanted to have Thorne in the campaign but his actor wasn’t available.
But Nathan Fillion was, so.
vague scroll
^
and then they explain it in the Halo New Blood book, at least explaining how he became a Spartan
@paper hedge Spartan-IIIs were young, recruited between the ages of 4-6 on average with a few outliers at 11
training lasted between 4 and 5 years per S-III company
Spartans typically die young
quasi apex
Aight so o found out that I think it’s the forerunner Ai that was infected with the logic plague (can’t spell his name) is apparently in high charity
vague scroll
Mendicant Bias, he was in the Keyship the entire time
quasi apex
Really?
vague scroll
yeah, a lot of what we know of Mendicant Bias's history is from the Halo 3 Terminals
cedar surge
Thought those weren't canon anymore
vague scroll
they weren't retconned
https://www.halopedia.org/Mendicant_Bias have a read for yourselves, if you want to find the original sources - they're marked at the bottom of the page
quasi apex
So if mendicant Bias is around, could it be possible that offensive bias is still around
vague scroll
it's possible but most just assume not so
their story ended with the Forerunner War and Mendicant's story ended when he got to the Ark
quasi apex
So what happened when he got to the ark (I haven’t read any of the terminals because the disk that i own doesn’t let me)
vague scroll
reunited himself with his other fragment stored on the Ark
quasi apex
Ok, do you think he could in the future impact any action on the ark after hw2
vague scroll
idk personally - I don't think Forerunners in general care to meddle with galactic affairs
Guilty Spark and Intrepid Eye tend to be outliers among most Forerunner AI left around
quasi apex
Wasn’t a shard of guilty spark found and stored somewhere
vague scroll
that is a bit hard to explain, especially since I haven't finished Halo: Renegades but you'd most likely find what you're looking for there
and in the Bornstellar trilogy
quasi apex
Ok, thank you where could I find those books
quasi apex
Awesome
Another question I hope you don’t mind answering.
Has a Spartan ever been infected with the flood?
vague scroll
the answer would be no in terms of actually happening in the lore
but there are hints of it being possible or having occurred
SPARTAN-IVs train for the possibility of encountering flood outbreaks
quasi apex
I’ve heard that like the UNSC has like a protocol for it
vague scroll
they do
in the event a Spartan is infected by Flood, all forces are to retreat and the area is to be nuked
quasi apex
It’s that serious
vague scroll
absolutely
quasi apex
Wow
quasi apex
I guess I don’t know much about the lore except from like hiddenexpreias videos but I really want to find a place to start book wise
cedar surge
Halo canon is a good channel for lore I would say
Installation 00 for a deeper lore dive
cedar surge
Either contact harvest since that's where the war began,the flood because I think that's the first book, or the fall of reach
quasi apex
Didn’t fall of reach fans and halo reach fans get in to like a big fight
cedar surge
They are both canon and yea that did happen
After reading the fall of reach you should watch halo canons video on the timeline of reach to make it make sense
vague scroll
Installation 00 is more theory crafting that lore
quasi apex
Alright
vague scroll
Halo Canon would be a more straight look at lore itself
cedar surge
Both good channels
vague scroll
aye
@quasi apex The Fall of Reach is the first piece of Halo lore ever made
The Flood is a novelization of Halo CE
quasi apex
Isn’t there also also a tv show bout it
vague scroll
Contact Harvest talks about the first hours of the Human Covenant War
@quasi apex animated movie to be exact
it's nowhere near as good as the book
it's an okay movie but it simplifies a lot of the lore
quasi apex
Hmm so read the book first then watch movie
cedar surge
Yes
quasi apex
Aight
And another thing
Also did the shipmaster loose his half jaw to the flood or something similar?
cedar surge
Rtas?
cedar surge
Think happened during the skirmish with the flood and yes that's him
quasi apex
On like some covenant agriculture ship
cedar surge
It was a strange ship
quasi apex
And they never explained how the flood go there
cedar surge
On the ring or ship
quasi apex
Ship
On the ring they were in like containment structure that got blown up by the covenant
cedar surge
The covenant does that alot
quasi apex
Yea best example: Every human colony world
quasi apex
Idk never read it i was thinking more of that planet from hw1
cedar surge
So harvest or arcadia
vague scroll
Etran Harborage
quasi apex
The name?
quasi apex
Aight
vague scroll
quasi apex
Shoot wrong button
vague scroll
np
quasi apex
Aight imma head out cya
vague scroll
take care
versed helm
@quasi apex wtf is that pfp
unique rune
And they never explained how the flood go there
It's pretty clearly explained in the comic. The Flood managed to take control of a Spirit dropship, landed aboard the Infinite Succor, and the infection spread throughout the ship from that point.
quasi apex
@versed helm https://youtu.be/5E4TzjDqUuo
versed helm
Nightmare fuel
quasi apex
Exactly
cedar surge
Instead of seviring the flood like some Spartan IVs have been doing why not try to destroy them?
versed helm
Because if you inevitably miss a spot and the outbreak comes, you better be prepared for it
paper hedge
@vague scroll halopedia is a reliable source?
vague scroll
Absolutely, I vouch on it as someone who works on it.
Great staff keep it up to date, they help out a lot of Halo Youtubers to make sure their information is accurate and up to date.
When I write my Halo fanfictions, I always check Halopedia to make sure my stuff is canon compliant.
paper hedge
Didn’t know that
I want to know everything about Kat. She means everything to me in halo. She might be gone but her legacy is strong within me
vague scroll
halopedia has a page on her
slim thorn
I kinda doubt nuke is effective though. Radioactive could be devastating and even mutate the spore to certain extent. I think UNSC should recommission the Napalm Arsenals only to deal with the flood.
Nuke is always a double-edged sword weapon regardless which era is when you use it on the ground. When the flood was mentioned as a disease, it makes me noticed that the only best weapon to deal it is the incendiary and napalm arsenal.
paper hedge
@jolly sinew Do you have any problem?
quasi apex
Yeah dude cmon
jolly sinew
it's just funny
quasi apex
Maybe
cedar surge
@slim thorn is nova bomb a option?
vague scroll
@cedar surge no
NOVAs are last-resort/first strike-capable planet crackers, that's the definition of overkill
and plus the UNSC had very few of those laying around
paper hedge
Why did the flood never attack the forerunners?
vague scroll
The Flood did attack the Forerunners
the Halos were built for the very purpose of combating the Flood because they were destroying the Forerunner Ecuneme, their ancient empire
@slim thorn that's a fictional understanding of how radiation works. Radiation does not cause mutations in the sense of aberrant genetic offshoots, it causes the unraveling and error formation in DNA structures leading to cancers and useless cell growth. Radiation kills life in any form. The Flood are a disease only metaphorically. They're a hivemind-based parasite. Fire is good against anything made of flesh that burns but it's not a perfect solution.
The ancient humans and the Covenant both used super-heated plasma to bombard infected worlds to prevent their outgrowth instead because at those temperatures, it goes beyond just about any traditional boiling point and vaporizes everything.
paper hedge
Wow didn’t know that. This is how I understood of halo lore: the covenants being fighting the humans for centuries but the covenants are afraid to the flood. Forerunners are ancient civilization. The bruts, I didn’t understand why they help the covenants
vague scroll
You probably need some kind of good introduction to Halo lore then, sounds like you're relatively new to the deeper side of the lore.
The Human-Covenant War began in 2525 after first contact. The war ended in 2553 after the events of Halo 1-3. The Covenant were only at war with humans for 27 years. In 2552, the UNSC warship Pillar of Autumn escaped the destroyed human world of Reach with Covenant forces in pursuit. The Covenant and UNSC discovered the artificial ring world called Halo which is a ancient superweapon created by the Forerunners to destroy the Flood, their ancient destroyer. Halo works by destroying the Flood's food supply, sentient life, which means it and six other Halos will destroy all sentient life in the galaxy to starve the Flood.
The Covenant worship the rings because it's the center of their ancient religion. By firing the Halos, they will become Gods like the Forerunners before them according to their religion. The Covenant is a coalition of different alien species: Elites, Prophets, Brutes, Jackals, Grunts, Hunters, and Drones. Eventually a civil war breaks out between the Elite-led faction and the Brute-led faction called the Great Schism. The Elites and Humans team up and defeat the Brute/Prophet-faction of the Covenant at the Ark, the control center for the Halos outside of the galaxy.
The war then ends. That covers Halo 1-3.
vague scroll
np
paper hedge
Copied and paste your text to my notepad, for references.
cedar surge
So what are the biggest misconceptions you heard in halo lore? I found a person who said that the warthog was made to chase and destroy ghosts
paper hedge
Did the covenants arrive to Reach to search for cortana?
cedar surge
No
vague scroll
no, Reach was Humanity's first extrasolar colony (first colony outside the solar system) and the most defended colony world, it was the last defense humans had before the Covenant reached Earth
it fell to Covenant attack in 2552
fair hazel
i really wonder how you got those misconceptions
cedar surge
Maybe watching stuff like halo follower, or getting information from places like quora and reddit
paper hedge
Isn’t suppose Spartans are super genetically modified soldiers, why did noble six was KIA?
fair hazel
reach was one of the first colonies but not said to be the first
vague scroll
Cortana was created by Dr. Halsey, a leading scientist in the Office of Naval Intelligence and the creator of the SPARTAN-II program. Cortana was a Smart AI paired with John-117 for a mission against the Covenant that never took place.
cedar surge
Yea they are supersoldiere but they can still die@paper hedge
fair hazel
Anyways, It was like their military stronghold, and it had forerunner artifacts, it was glassed like the rest of so many worlds
paper hedge
In 2552 the covenants know of the existence of the flood, right? Humans as well?
vague scroll
maybe not but the way it's described in a lot of media makes it easy to consider it the first extrasolar colony. And it's honestly easier to refer to it as such when doing explanations
cedar surge
The covenant knew for a while
fair hazel
It started being unglassed and reconolized not preciously known when
vague scroll
@cedar surge Reach has been going through a reterraforming program since 2553. It didn't become livable again until the 2570s.
gilded mason
Humans as well?
Humans (at large) encountered the Flood for the first time in Halo CE
paper hedge
A miss conception: couple of years ago, someone told me that elites are females
vague scroll
there are female elites but they are a male-dominated society
cedar surge
They have male and females
fair hazel
Uh, there are males and females
gilded mason
One human ships found out about the Flood earlier, but they became lost in space for decades, so they could never tell anyone
vague scroll
that is correct
cedar surge
It is a male dominated society
vague scroll
only in a book @paper hedge
vague scroll
halo 5 we start getting female sangheili pilots
gilded mason
Although female Elites tended to control domestic affairs.
cedar surge
Where do you get your information Chiva?
paper hedge
@gilded mason how can I know more about this? (Human spaceship)
gilded mason
Halo Wars 1 and 2
cedar surge
Halopedia
paper hedge
@cedar surge halo forums. Was an active member in 2015-16.
cedar surge
Did you check for evidence? Because people can just get info wrong
paper hedge
You meant, the female covenants? In forums
cedar surge
It has happened to me too
paper hedge
I’m not lore specialist until I join here and started learning a bit
cedar surge
Yea I don't think a 5 year old forum is the most up to date by now
quasi apex
Aight so I have a question
cedar surge
Shoot
quasi apex
Why did high charity fall so fast
gilded mason
Because Flood strong
paper hedge
Tho have watched the halo movies. Back in 2016, didn’t know why spartan Locke was chasing Master Chief until someone told me on forums: ‘chiva go and watch halo nightfall’
gilded mason
Also, Truth took the Keyship and with it a lot of internal power
cedar surge
Cause its the flood. The elites and brutes were having a civil war so they couldn't defend themselves week when the flood crashed into high charity
vague scroll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6DtLNPet0k try this if you don't have time to read halo lore
cedar surge
And the flood infects at a fast rate
dire timber
Boo
cedar surge
Boo what
dire timber
I just said Boo lance.
paper hedge
In 2006 floodgate mission scared me much.
paper hedge
Halo 3
dire timber
Halo 3 Came out in 2007.
dire timber
And I did not play floodgate full until 08, way to scared.
I just played online and revisited the campaign a year after.
quasi apex
Bro most scarring mission is pillar of autumn
paper hedge
The moment when a flood attacks a marine, in floodgate. Scared me!!
dire timber
Laughs in Jackal sniper.
quasi apex
Wort
paper hedge
I hate jackals! One jackal killed my bae Kat
quasi apex
Bro I hated new Alexandria
cedar surge
Well if you hate the city so much might as well burn it down
quasi apex
Laughs in Sangheili
gusty whale
bro new alexandria was my favorite mission in reach
quasi apex
So anyways how are you guys doing
gleaming thicket
Has it ever been addressed what happened to the Sanshayum after the war?
slim thorn
@vague scroll When you said useless cell growth, it was an advantage for the flood. Fictional or non fictional, there could be some creatures or faction who rendered nuke obsolete.
Ancient humans and Covenant are using high level of Incendiary or Napalm Arsenals which is the correct answer to contain the outbreak.
Nukes are your last ditch effort and if any Spartans infected, burn it to smithereens is the best answer rather than nuke the area which deals unnecessary damage to the environment.
Scientists in real life always have flamethrower on hand should there was an outbreak to vaporize the virus on the loose.
vague scroll
I don't know of any laboratory that just has a flamethrower as part of their standard equipment...
gleaming thicket
Ever watched The Thing?
vague scroll
that's a fictional horror movie that doesn't realistically depict laboratory conditions in the slightest
gleaming thicket
Anyway, so whatever happened to the San'Shyuum?
gilded mason
Many of them went into hiding out of fear of retribution
vague scroll
on the run, rumor according to Halo: Shadow of Intent is that there's a flotilla of their ships somewhere in deep space
paper hedge
Which book mention female elites?
vague scroll
Shadow of Intent
gleaming thicket
Dang sleazy cowards as always those San'shyuum
gilded mason
And Kilo-5 and Legacy of Onyx
vague scroll
Kilo-5 and Legacy of Onyx are especially great because you get a taste of Sangheili civilian life
gilded mason
Maybe not the former too much. ;)
vague scroll
(even if the books themselves aren't exactly the best among the Halo books)
gilded mason
lol
vague scroll
you're fine
gusty whale
i havent read all the books but legacy of onyx is one of my favorites
paper hedge
What’s the correct order of halo novels? Just found a novel called, retribution, features a female spartan in the cover
vague scroll
start with Fall of Reach, it's the first halo novel - great introduction to the Halo universe
gilded mason
Well, the best order to read them would be release order, if that's what you mean
Also, Retribution doesn't have a Spartan on the cover
Just a normal person
vague scroll
yes, the woman on the cover is an ONI agent named Veta Lopis
gilded mason
Yeah, she's not a Spartan
vague scroll
Semi-Powered Infiltration (SPI) armor is not MJOLNIR power armor and can be worn by regular people, not just Spartans
gusty whale
personally id rather read them chronologically, so heres a link with a nice dropdown menu https://www.beyondvideogaming.com/timelines/halo-timeline-everything-in-chronological-order/
gilded mason
I wouldn't really recommend that, myself.
vague scroll
reading them chronologically for a new comer to the Halo franchise is probably not the best idea
gusty whale
yeah, im just the kind of person that has to have every thing fit right into place
vague scroll
at least for Chiva's sake we recommend release order
gilded mason
^
paper hedge
Well, I’ve been playing halo since the original Xbox. But the lore wasn’t my cup of tea until now.
gusty whale
ah
paper hedge
Really interested in learning more, feel eager to read more. 🙂
gusty whale
ive always been a lore fanatic when it comes to halo
but yeah whoever said the fall of reach is a good place to start was right, it is
paper hedge
The anime halo movie was good, my fav episode is one featuring UNSC soldiers, one of them says ‘be human’
slim thorn
Flamethrower was a standard containment procedure, especially at virus lab.
last anchor
What.
terse lava
hm?
last anchor
Just reading through all of this and frowning
cedar surge
Frowning at wrong information, or the virus lab flamethrower thing?
quasi apex
Hm
crisp zephyr
Are the brutes part gorilla or monkey
jolly furnace
I miss older style brutes
versed helm
Yeah, same
But I like the H2A look the most. Elites I prefer the CE/2, but Infinite’s Elites are also up there
fair hazel
They’re nothing found on earth
slim thorn
Johnson refer Brutes as an ape.
humble yacht
It’s a colloquialism and an insult
brittle brook
Chimera are you saying that it is An insult to be sure but one without a modicum of respect ?
versed helm
BTW John throwing fusion coils is lowkey impressive strength
feral perch
But can he canonically flip a Scorpion?
paper hedge
How many missions did Kat was involved? Before Reach.
lavish garnet
Any idea where Blue Team is leading up this game?
Wondering how split screen would work, do you all play as a different Spartan like 5. Would the canon work for that?
quasi apex
Hey so I just learned that mendicant bias tried to escape from high charity before and was stopped when some worms ate some of the components in the ship. If mendicant bias had escaped high charity and gone to humanity before the human-covenant war or whenever this took place. what do you think would’ve happenend?
carmine sleet
Humanity would've had a Forerunner AI on their side and likely would've been able to come up with a better defence against the Covenant
fair hazel
Split screen is a gameplay thing not a canon thing
And the new book will have info on it
On blue team I mean. It follows them not long before they lost
cedar surge
Like a month or two before
cedar surge
Who is the better canon fodder drones or grunts?
carmine sleet
Depends on what do you mean by better. Better at dying for the cause? Grunts. Better for being effective in combat while still being cannon fodder? Drones since they can fly
Plus, I wouldn't really call the Drones cannon fodder. They aren't deployed on nearly as much of a scale as Grunts are
versed helm
I think the drones are better than grunts
But there are not so many drones
Does someone know if there are many drones?
I still really fell sad to know that I killed children in halo back then I thought I was defending earth but I was just killing children (grunts(
cedar surge
Well those children do eat humans so yea
main rivet
I don't think you can really have "good" cannon fodder in that if they were more useful strategically you wouldn't use them as cannon fodder. The whole idea of using the grunts that way was a mistake that the Covenant only learned when the Unggoy rose up against them.
peak estuary
I really wanna see lore explanations for skulls and the monitors in forge mode
Like skulls could be these magical artifacts
feral perch
No, that would be silly.
Not everything needs a lore explanation. Case in point: Chief's Mark VI in Halo 4.
carmine sleet
I really wanna see lore explanations for skulls and the monitors in forge mode
Skulls are not something that affect the world in canon (And magic is definitely not something that exists in Halo). They are purely gameplay modifiers with no baring on canon
peak estuary
I know I just think it would be cool. Not saying it needs an explanation
inner basin
But what kind of lore explanation for the skulls would make sense in universe? I’m drawing up a blank anyways
quasi apex
Same
feral perch
nEUrAl PhYSiCs
inner basin
Please spare me the pain of having to hear that phrase for like the 1000th time
feral perch
no
gilded mason
You make me proud, Stone.
cyan thunder
So I started reading Cryptum when it first came out and I found it a slog. I just didn't find the story interesting at all. I've recently finished listening to it on audiobook as I wanted to learn more about the forerunner hisrory.. Don't get me wrong, still a bit of a slog, but Ive just started Primordium and that's way more captivating. Chakas so far has a far more captivating story than Bornstellar
feral perch
Wow, it's the reverse for me. I found Cryptum to be very engaging, but Primordium was so dull that I quit about an hour into the audiobook. I couldn't care less about ancient humans trying to help Chakas.
inner basin
@jolly furnace I don’t mind Neural Physics, it’s just when people use it for the most idiotic of explanations. I know Stone was joking, but he’s memeing it due to how some people use it, at least to me that’s what it seemed like
jolly furnace
Oh ok then @inner basin Yeah its basically gonna be the go to for things that either can't be explained in-universe logically or scientifically or as you said be a meme for Halo I think
feral perch
it's as close to magic as Halo's gonna get
jolly furnace
@cyan thunder Cryptum may feel that way cos its being told to us by a Forerunner and alot of what goes on is stuff beyond human understanding of science even for modern human scientists in Halo and the events mentioned from the past in it our massive revelations for readers, they are not for Bornstellar who for him is just everyday common knowledge.
@feral perch Yeah its the Force of Halo
Since they can't use actual magic or use that word, Neural Physics will be the stand in
Heck I headcanon, the Precursors or Neural Physics is the explanation for BS physics or broken glitches in MP
Or unlikely deaths or suicides in it
Cos seriously some in Reach's and 4 are absolute BS when they occur due to the physics works
feral perch
I could see Bungie making heavy use of it if they were forced to continue making Halo. It might start to resemble Destiny's Light.
jolly furnace
Possibly yes
But I wouldn't expect any deep exploration or implementation on NP in Halo going forward
Like some people think MC is gonna gain it
and wield psychic powers
and do reality-warping stuff
And I'm like Han Solo saying thats not how it works
olive palm
what would have happened if the great schism never happened? I think the unsc maybe used frigates to defend the planets and colonys
craggy sierra
Yes because that had been going so well the previous 27 years
We’d just be dead if the covenant never decided to emplode on itself.
gilded mason
Yup
cedar surge
What do you mean maybe used frigates to defend colonies? Of course they did, what else would they use an for
Are the the new missiles and coilguns effective against shields now?
versed helm
About 700 pounds
(320KG)
That’s for the Mark V, at least. Some models are closer to 1000 pounds (470KG), with a few as high as 1.7 tons
vague scroll
first I'm hearing some of those numbers, where are you getting them from? The half-a-ton figure is familiar but the others are new to me.
versed helm
@vague scroll Halo: Retribution describes Fred’s CENTURION armor to total 600 kilos with himself in it. The other comes from Halo Evolutions: Dirt
vague scroll
thanks
versed helm
You’re welcome :)
vague scroll
I haven't read that far into Retribution and I haven't read Dirt (only seen the fan film)
paper hedge
What’s the difference on each spartan program?
versed helm
It’s not much of a spoiler, dw
Basically Spartan I’s, or ORION candidates, were augmented through chemical enhancements and were decently above what’s possible for humans to achieve.
paper hedge
Kat was spartan 2 meanwhile Val was spartan 4. Both get different enhancements?
versed helm
Yeah. The IIs and IVs were physically grafted and swapped out tissues for stronger alternatives
The IIs in particular were required to be genetically near-perfect in order for their strengthening to work out properly; like a mediator, so to speak
gilded mason
Kat was spartan 2
She was a Spartan 3
Val is stronger?```
Vale is as strong as 2s and 3s, but only when she's wearing the armor.Ah, I read Kat as a Spartan 2 as a Cat-2 Spartan III
gilded mason
Everyone does.
paper hedge
Some call her as Cat
gilded mason
I guess I'll take your word for it.
paper hedge
Kat and Vale are my fav characters
I’m writing a fan fiction mission, which Kat and Vale were working together
gilded mason
So a world where Kat doesn't get a new hole in her head?
paper hedge
I’ll be share it here later this week
So a world where Kat doesn't get a new hole in her head?
@gilded mason SPOILER: on my fanfic, Kat get a headshot but the headshot didn’t pass through her head, she was KO for several years like in coma. She woke up near H5 events.
gilded mason
Ah, interesting.
stiff creek
paper hedge
I think I can post the fanfic by Thursday morning