Why is energy sword asterisked?
#lore-and-universe
humble yacht
cedar surge
Maybe because we havnt seen them in gameplay yet
But how could you have brutes and elites and not have those few I weapons
unique rune
Battle Rifle is also missing from that list
versed helm
WE don,t know if it's regular Energy Sword , Grav HAmmer
or the H2 BR
they have names of their own
Could be 'Banished Energy Sword'
'Gravitation Hammer'
Idk i'm just saying names could differ
clear sparrow
Pointless symantics.
versed helm
^?
clear sparrow
Giving it a nickname isn't gonna make the Energy sword fire rockets suddenly or make the BR into a monster Hunter heavy Bowgun.
In all likelihood they're the same Type 1 and BR-55 series they look exactly like.
cedar surge
I'm as far bit confused of when the teaser took place vs the gameplay trailer
Like before the banished attack?
clear sparrow
It all seems to take place after the attack
"One hundred fifty something days after we lost" seems to correspond to Brohammer's hair growing out over that time.
The gameplay probably isn't too long after the trailer.
last anchor
They said its a couple hours into the game
clear sparrow
Timejumps can happen between missions and cutscenes.
cedar surge
I also think the theory that using old equipment would make it harder for the created to jack the unsc is dumb
The old equipment is still advanced
Its not like they are doing things by hand
They are still using computers
The old equipment isn't even that old
If anything
It should be easier to hack
clear sparrow
Some of the old stuff isn't actually old at all if the Assault Rifle is any indication. It uses the shape of the MA37 but it's a new model of rifle.
cedar surge
Along with new marine uniforms
clear sparrow
Even the suit is Gen 3
cedar surge
And new guns
Like the riot shotgun and the smaller gun
Hope the new marine armor can actually be worth something now
Instead of marines getting blown to bits by a single plasma shot
They can now defend against a single shot
last anchor
Im getting the feeling the UNSC cant rely on Misrah to produce everything anymore so they're sourcing from wherever they can get it.
I notice a lot of the rifles have "kal" on the side instead of Cal for Caliber.
German perhaps?
Some kind of independant weapons workshop?
The MK50 is NOT an M6 series thats for sure. Its a seperate weapon line, probably like Sabine Arms from Gao
feral perch
why are so many people hating on anything new man smh. I like the new guns
fair hazel
I hope we still get the M6H1, that looks amzing and gameplay too but. I like seeing the new stuff. I really wonder on sourcing
What Im curious about is...
the MJOLNIR trailer, that sounds like cortana
last anchor
I think its Halsey
We know she worked on the GEN 3 armor according to Discover Hope, and the facility we see fits descriptions from her Journal of the Damascus production facility on Chi Ceti IV
The zero-g production for liquid crystal, the nanofiber wires...
The liquid titanium A seems a bit ood tho
fair hazel
It sounded very cortana like, but yes Halsey hs involvement. And doing the zero-g production facility thing was so good
The vibration cleaning process was cool.
Liquid crystal cannot rise on its own, or whatever that quote is
theres something so cool about it
spiral fulcrum
That scene almost had a westworld feel to it
last anchor
It does sound like a younger Halsey which is more Cortana...
Hmm.
...maybe this is the "New cortana"
Dash Zero
unique rune
Co-0rtana
cedar surge
If these are new guns
Who are producing them
And how are the UNSC getting them?
Hey I have a stupid little idea
What if the unsc has a small fleet hiding somewhere that is producing weapons and is currently the home base for the unsc
Like with a couple of Orion classes and a few Phoenix classses
cedar surge
It wouldn't that unexpected if the unsc has a few carriers here and there to create weapons
Like what remains of the unsc fleet meet up with the infinity
versed helm
Think that scene with the profiles of dead personnel were deployed from the Infinity?
cedar surge
Might be
There are other ships that could deploy ships to
Maybe the damage to the ring is from a mac shot
versed helm
You simply see "Infinity" above the profiles.
cedar surge
So the infinity got destroyed
versed helm
Not necessarily.
This might just be a list of dead personnel.
Since this was in Bro Hammer's Pelican (or one that they find with a Slipspace drive).
cedar surge
Its the battle for the ring all over again like in CE
versed helm
The lead writer told IGN that we learn more about what has happened as we progress. Bro Hammer and Chief are just as clueless as we are.
cedar surge
Except the marines managed to last longer in that battle
cedar surge
Though in the box art we see another pelican
And there is a marker saying save marines
last anchor
There’s probabaly scattered survivors
cedar surge
Hey does anyone recognize the crashed ship in the trailer?
coarse hedge
It's not the Infinity, I can tell you that, it's too small
If I had to take a guess, maybe a Destroyer?
radiant sphinx
At some point you can see the crashed ship had a sort of observation deck with the glass still intact. Definitely not the Spirit of Fire, but something worth noting
cedar surge
M maybe new type of post war ship?
radiant sphinx
Perhaps, it’s genuinely hard to tell
My best guess would also be a destroyer of sorts
cedar surge
Someone suggested Gladius
versed helm
I think in the shadow of reach book that blue team will find a new version of cortana in Halsey lab
Or something to stop cortana
coarse hedge
That's already a given
cedar surge
Looks like the textures are better in the trailer than in the demo
coarse hedge
I'm wondering what happened for Atriox for the baddie to say "the will of Atriox" in a very preachy manner
cedar surge
Well tetra
Atriox is trapped on the ark
And the SoF is keeping him and a massive amount of banished there
coarse hedge
As far as we know. For all we know, something happened between HW2 and Infinite
And as far as the textures go, I feel that it may have been an earlier demo build. I highly doubt 343i I going to let it ship looking like action figures in a 3D world lol
Because I will give 343 this; They can make some darn good looking cinematics
versed helm
Same here I was wondering did he die or just trapped on the ark
coarse hedge
Maybe we will have some answers in Shadows of Reach
cedar surge
Yea the trailer has better textures
coarse hedge
The textures during the Pelican crash looked good though
cedar surge
Also I wish the banished were wearing armor from HW2 but eh we can't do much about that now
coarse hedge
Eh, we know they're Banished, we don't quite need all them aggressive edges on common infantry lol
cedar surge
Not all infantry
coarse hedge
I like how the Banished armor is a mix of H3 and HW2
cedar surge
Some banished just have the colors
I want to be able to easily differentiate between the covenant and banished. And the enemies are wearing covenant colors except for brutes
coarse hedge
Yeah, I do hope that if they're gonna make all enemies the Banished, at least make it all coherent
Cause you can't fool me, there was definitely some H4 Grunts in there with the purple harnesses
cedar surge
The banished were unique with different armors and colors against any other run of the mill covenant remnant
Maybe atriox took his best outfitted troops with him to the ark
coarse hedge
Maybe, would make sense
coarse hedge
Yeah
I'm impressed with the combat mechanics, the grappleshot is a nice breath of fresh air to help break up the monotony of running and gunning
cedar surge
Hopefully as we see higher level troops we see more HW2 banished armor
coarse hedge
My only complaint is the lack of polish on the demo, and the lack of visual coherency with the Banished troops
Them drop pod Brutes were awesome though
cedar surge
Yea
coarse hedge
I loved how their armor plates fell off with sustained fire
cedar surge
The banished in the trailer look to similar to Jul mdamas covenant
It would even be worse for people who never played HW2 and don't know who the banished are
coarse hedge
In a way that would make sense for the Banished to absorb the remaining forces of Jul Mdama's Covenant
Especially if a detachment of Banished made it to a ring
cedar surge
Plus the banished combined both artsyles
coarse hedge
Yeah, I got heavy H3 vibes from the drop pod Brutes
But the HW2 flare was present too
cedar surge
So many cool designs we won't see
But maybe I'm judging to early
We only got to see a very early look at the gane
coarse hedge
I'm waiting for more information before I'm totally sold on the product. I'm interested, now 343 needs to bring it home and convince me to stick with the game.
cedar surge
They are going to have to up the marketing campaign for the last few months
coarse hedge
Agreed
Some multiplayer news would be nice too
Cause I have a theory about the multiplayer Spartans since they look so much like SIIIs
Based off the figures coming from Jazwares
cedar surge
The marines are also wearing new armor
coarse hedge
New armor, but it looked very Reach-esque
And imo, the Reach Marines looked the best
coarse hedge
Halo Wars Marines looked very rugged and worn in. Reach Marines looked so practical and legit. H3 Marines were okay, but newer Marines were ehhhh...
cedar surge
Nerf rejects
coarse hedge
Ye
unique rune
In a way that would make sense for the Banished to absorb the remaining forces of Jul Mdama's Covenant
Ehh. Don’t think it’d really line up that well. ‘Mdama’s forces largely were still of the sort that believed the Forerunners were gods, while the Banished seem to want none of that hokey religious guff.
coarse hedge
Hokey religions and fancy laser swords, right Han Solo?
cedar surge
Plus its a elite led faction who hate brutes
coarse hedge
But with that leader dead, who knows what happened to his remaining forces
Still, my gripes still stand; Give it some polish and create some visual coherency for the Banished troops
Make them proper Banished, not Covenant reprints
unique rune
Yeah, I'm not a fan of that bit
Kinda loses the aesthetic identity established in HW2 for the Banished
cedar surge
They have to make people who didn't play halo wars 2 understand easily they are a different faction
coarse hedge
Cause the Banished raided Covenant warehouses and uparmored or modified whatever they grabbed to fit their visuals and needs. The Banished are very angular and aggressive, which is a clear contrast to the sleek and stylish look of the Covenant
cedar surge
I liked the banished look
Dobt know why they would make them look like regular covenant
coarse hedge
Oh I love it. It gives familiar enemies a new silhouette and an engaging appearance
cedar surge
I hope this also doesn't go the same for banished vehicles
coarse hedge
Look at Atriox. His armor is literally cobbled together from both UNSC and Covenant armor. You could easily pick him out from a crowd of Brutes. However, you slap his face into normal H3 Chieftain armor, and he's going to lose his identity
Just another ho-hum Brute who sits a bit higher than the others
Simply put, the Banished look like an actual threat.
cedar surge
And I think some people are getting sick of fighting covenant remnants who all look the same
coarse hedge
Agreed
Covenant Elite: O-oh no. Another high ranked Elite. Gonna be one tough fight, huh?
Banished Brute: What is that charging at me!? Why is it screaming?? Why am I crying and out of ammo!?
cedar surge
Pinned down behind a burning warthog running out of ammo with your marine allies while the banished charge you
coarse hedge
Resorting to a literal fist fight just to live
cedar surge
I also liked what the banished did with grunts and hunters
coarse hedge
Hunter Captain is a close second
Now I wanna go play as Colony in a skirmish match...
cedar surge
It would be a disservice to HW2 banished just to make them look like the covenant
Wish the banished could make their own ships
coarse hedge
I heavily agree. You're bringing in a faction from another game into a mainline story; Don't ruin their identity.
cedar surge
Imagine a brute designed capital ship
coarse hedge
Forget that, just gimmie a Banished Chopper and I'll be happy
Lowkey the Chopper was my favorite H3 vehicle and I'm sad it hasn't been seen since aside from HW/HW2
coarse hedge
Let me lockdown and become a singular rail gun and yeet Tungsten shells to the other side of the ring.
Dual-launcher Wolverine only, forget that box launcher
Dual-launcher has a better silhouette
cedar surge
Maybe we can have a unsc base where we can take a vehicle with us to the open world
coarse hedge
But for the sake of game balance, it would most likely be a Wasp, Hog, or Mongoose
cedar surge
Scorpion?
coarse hedge
Yo 343 lemme ride around in an Elephant and let me make it a mobile home
cedar surge
Yea before today I was not expecting halo to be open world
coarse hedge
Scorpion can pretty much one shot most enemies you come across, you'd be making some very quick progress riding in a Scorpion
coarse hedge
Imagine being in a desert portion of the ring and you're just cruising in an Elephant
Rolling over them sand dunes like the Sandcrawler from Star Wars
cedar surge
Or using the wasp to get across areas quickly
coarse hedge
The possibilities are truly.......Infinite.
cedar surge
Hitching a ride on Sentinal?
cedar surge
Do you think the banished has planets under its control or are wandering around?
coarse hedge
Hmm...
cedar surge
I could believe the banished becoming a true nation under atriox
Uniting brute colonies
coarse hedge
There isn't anything to suggest that the Banished are elsewhere in current media, at least to my knowledge
I only know of them to be at the Ark since we departed HW2, and at Zeta Halo in Infinite
west silo
Hey guys I've been hearing some news that the demo we saw is old and was meant for e3 anyone else heard anything like this?
coarse hedge
That's been the running theory @west silo
cedar surge
Well I havnt heard but it seems like it
If you compare the demo to the trailer the trailer is more polished
coarse hedge
Imo the whole crash sequence looked fine, it was the gameplay that staggered a bit visually for me
cedar surge
Yea
west silo
Mostly from people who said they had an interview with 343 and comparing the trailer and the demo
cedar surge
Its likely to look better before launch
coarse hedge
Okay, wait, no, the massive portions of the ring rising above the terrain; Flush them out a bit more.
west silo
Imo the whole crash sequence looked fine, it was the gameplay that staggered a bit visually for me
@coarse hedge
For me just the lighting and textures need some more work
coarse hedge
Agreed
cedar surge
Also to have a world this open and only have a few vehicles would be a shame
coarse hedge
But if the demo was old, it makes sense for everything to look a bit lackluster
Demos are really just meant to give a taste of mechanics and the environment anyway
west silo
Eh it was only 6 minutes of gameplay
coarse hedge
Exactly
Six minutes to take in a majority of what's going to be going on in the final product
cedar surge
I think there will be a unsc base
west silo
Me too
cedar surge
After you save those marines where are they supposed to go
coarse hedge
-Wishing it's like the Firebase from HW1 and not HW2-
I prefer the HW1 UNSC base look over the HW2 look
west silo
And maybe u Will be able to rescue and maybe bring along marines
coarse hedge
Looks more coherent whereas the HW2 base looks very...stripped down, almost campy.
cedar surge
The one in HW2 feel like what innies would use
coarse hedge
Now that's not to say it's a bad thing and canonically, it make sense for the new bases to look like that since Isabel updated the SoF's blueprints when she got onboard
She brought everything on the SoF up to date with current UNSC building specs
cedar surge
Still the post war unsc is using elephants as bases?
coarse hedge
I'd like to think so
west silo
Man I hope the database is like a codex
coarse hedge
Frontier outposts using Elephants
Mmmm that looks nice in my head
Very cozy too
Oo it makes me wanna bundle up
west silo
Still the post war unsc is using elephants as bases?
@cedar surge
Mammoths most likely
cedar surge
Oh imagine the banished capture a unsc ship
coarse hedge
Now that would be true heresy
cedar surge
Adding armor plating and sporting banished colors
coarse hedge
I want it
Imagine a frigate like the Dawn with a massive battering ram mounted over the MAC barrel
cedar surge
Too bad the banished only got a RTS, a few comics,and likely getting to be apart of a book
But hopefully 343 won't do something as destroying the banished in infinite
coarse hedge
-Camera slowly pans to the 343 employees as they watch this chat-
west silo
Oh yeah wasn't there some news that halo infinite would be the halo of this decade and is going to have a bunch of add-on like expansions or something
I like idea but it could go wrong very easily
coarse hedge
Something like that
I can see 343 bringing everything Halo under the Infinite banner
And once they've brought over the established stuff under the banner, then they go and expand with whatever they have in the pipe works
slim thorn
I think it's most likely the Banished will repeat the same mistake as the Covenant did at Halo: CE
They could've gone to what they thought a weapon caches or maybe supplies left behind at a facility but turns out it was a containment facility.
coarse hedge
I don't think the Banished would repeat that mistake.
slim thorn
Some Brutes could make that mistake, considering to see the case of Voridus.
coarse hedge
They technically already did in Awaken the Nightmare
slim thorn
Does the Banished manage to establish comms with Atriox?
slim thorn
If not, then they're on their own as well. Unless the Banished at Installation manages to establish comms with Atriox at The Ark
coarse hedge
Ah, I see what you're getting at
slim thorn
They could've repeat the same mistake as well
coarse hedge
The Banished on the ring must've had made contact, or still have contact with Atriox
slim thorn
Unless Atriox already warns them beforehand when he learns some of his forces is at other Installation.
Or they were scattered
On the Ark, they've got only one spaceship
the rest (Cruiser Spaceship) is still unknown
Quite strange that the Banished did not rally at Atriox's position. I find it odd since if Atriox shares the location, then the Banished Cruisers should be able to reach The Ark.
And saved on the starmap.
coarse hedge
I'm sure we'll get more details on all that in the coming months
cedar surge
Actually there were a few ships at the ark
Just that somehow the SoF killed them all
slim thorn
Which means the Banished also didn't have good network
If does, they can immediately spread the starmap database so the others can find it
cedar surge
Infinite would also be a good way to bring wars vehicles and units into the mainline games
coarse hedge
Agreed
west silo
Drivable Blisterback when
cedar surge
Depends
full forge
I miss Telcam
dire timber
I don’t like the lack of marines.
cedar surge
Well you only saw 6 minutes of gameplay in a demo
small cape
Yup and probably you are going to find more on the ring, much like CE
versed helm
How do i post pictures
humble yacht
image permissions are disabled
versed helm
oh
I wanted to show a screenshot I saw wondered where it was from
Chief helmet seems to show three orangle circle lights
which looks alot like mendicant bias
humble yacht
it's from the 1 min trailer for the campaign demo for Infinite that came out several hours ago
versed helm
Lemme see
humble yacht
Mendicant Bias has 3 eyes in a downward configuration, not an upward configuration
humble yacht
we don't have any images of Offensive Bias's monitor shell
versed helm
Maybe Offensive is upside down🤷🏻♂️
humble yacht
i doubt it
the other Contender-class Ancilla we've seen was in the same orientation as Mendicant Bias
fair hazel
i think the voice over is younger halsey talking about project MJOLNIR and the quote being for like journal type
Ther eis something soo poetic and beautiful and nerdy about the line, I must remind myself, Liquid crystal cannot rise on its own.
inner basin
I think 343 might’ve shown Chief’s face again. During that cutscene of creating Chief’s GEN3 armour, it shows a man with a pale wrinkled up face (kinda similar to Chief in 4) with his face somewhat lit up by what appears to be a HUD reflection, but it could just be one of the Scientists that just has a bit of a baring resemblance to Chief
tender ginkgo
Most likely a scientist
cedar surge
Do you think the new non unsc weapons were created by the banished or scavenged?
inner basin
From what we’ve seen they look crafted to perfection, not something rummaged together from scavenged gear
cedar surge
So they must be in control of a ship like the Phoenix class which can make weapons or control of a planet
Also does anybody know where the step in trailer takes place?
inner basin
@cedar surge Is that the assembling of the armour one?
I still don’t know their names yet, so bare with me
inner basin
No, we don’t have a location for where the Step In trailer takes place, only that it’s in orbit to some planet that appears to have a large quarry on it
cedar surge
Looks like its connected to a tether,maybe part of a orbital elevator
Where could have the unsc set this up
Considering the guardians
inner basin
Well there are pockets of space that I imagine Cortana doesn’t have control of. I mean all that fighting at the Halo oddly doesn’t have her attention (as far as we can tell anyways)
versed helm
The Brutes look very similar to the Cabal now, and I'm unhappy about that.
inner basin
At least we can meme it for a while. In all seriousness though, I really want them to fix up the Brutes a little bit along with the Phantom (to make it look less blocky) and I think that’s all I can think of for now
lavish garnet
What do they mean by last standalone halo game?
@Dr.Lance#8076 I think it’s implied that the model will be like that of destiny. Expansions that continue the story, rather than have standalone games every 4 years
dire timber
I’m so sad, infinite had me beyond excited.
lethal comet
the community had unreal expectations
versed helm
That's what happens when you have a year of radio silence, accompanied with content creators trying to profit from hyping the game up.
the community had unreal expectations
@lethal comet
inner basin
@lavish garnet Apparently that was debunked in an interview. Someone said it in general so it’s not necessarily from me
lavish garnet
Fair enough. Thing is looking at what they presented, I could see that being the case. New expansion - opens up the next section of the halo etc
versed helm
I really hope not.
lavish garnet
So taking it back to lore-and-universe. You guys probably all spoke about this, but I’m out of the loop. The Harbingers? Is that something we know about? Can I read about them in the novels?
inner basin
We actually don’t really knew what they are
versed helm
If this turns into Destiny but Halo, where it is riddled with half baked "expansions" and scummy microtransactions then I am legitimately done with this franchise.
inner basin
I’ve seen speculation that the Harbingers is a term this Banished Brute is using for the Created
jolly furnace
We know not who they are
The created would not be honoring the will of Atriox
as Brute boy said they and the Banished were
So not likely the Created
Harbinger/s could be just another faction of covies who allied with banished.
They could be the ones who show up in new Reach novel
inner basin
It does make sense considering we see non-Banished Elites working alongside the Banished
But I don’t really know yet tbh
humble yacht
Esharum didn’t say Harbingers, he said Harbinger. I don’t think it’s an organization but rather a single person/entity
Also “forerunner” is a sub definition of harbinger so I wouldn’t be surprised if this entity were related to forerunners in some fashion
spiral fulcrum
Ur-Didact?
inner basin
Well we don’t really know if Mendicant Bias would or not.
spiral fulcrum
No you're right, he even spoke poorly of the covenant in H4
jolly furnace
Yeah he considered the coives as beasts
humble yacht
Mendicant bias, even if he survived (which would suck), wanted to help humans, not hurt them
inner basin
Maybe something changed his mind. A lot can happen in about 8 years
C’mon let me dream
humble yacht
That would crap on H3 even more than current events already have
jolly furnace
Mendicant bias logically shouldnt be on the ring
forerunners if they are logical would have removed all of him from it
inner basin
Who says we’re confined to the ring for the whole story?
humble yacht
His empty core should be
jolly furnace
Yeah but his empty core would be useless
humble yacht
I know
jolly furnace
U think the forerunners would remove the core aswell
humble yacht
I’d be fine if we saw the empty housing unit he once occupied
jolly furnace
or destroy it
Yeah if its empty fine,
Cos that thing is city sized
a spider web thing
inner basin
I wonder if that’s the big structure that people keep pointing out as the Palace of Pain. Cause it looks like it’d be big enough to store Mendicant’s Core
I don’t know I’m just drawing to conclusions early because I’m excited
humble yacht
I think MB’s core is more likely to be subterranean than in a tower
It’s possible the tower in the box art is this “auditorium” that Escharum mentioned
inner basin
Yeah I saw HaloCanon mentioning that in his stream
humble yacht
Even tho it seems unlikely now based on what we’ve seen, warden very much acted as a harbinger for Cortana in H5,
But I have a feeling infinite will distance itself from the created, to my dismay
spiral fulcrum
That's my concern as well - really hoping for continuation/resolution on the created story
humble yacht
One entity we have yet to see is I07’s monitor, who never made contact with the human presence on zeta. Maybe that’s the harbinger
jolly furnace
the core was underground if i recall right
a city sized core is too big for that floating tower thing
warden is in cortana's control. she literally reprogrammed him to serve her. So i don't he's Harbinger
I think 07's monitor disappeared. I recall reading that all ring monitors have disappeared
humble yacht
Harbinger is simply someone/something that precedes the arrival of another someone/something
jolly furnace
YEAH
either a person or a device
probably one that has never been hinted at before
humble yacht
Could be
humble yacht
I think the auditorium is going to be a place. Name doesn’t really suit a device
And whatever the harbinger is, Escharum says it’s shares his goal so that suggests it has a will of its own, so it’s unlikely to be a mere device
cyan thunder
It would be too bold to completely ignore the Created.
humble yacht
Bold seems to be what they’re going for with this game
jolly furnace
yeah the auditorium is a place
cyan thunder
But not too bold 😉
humble yacht
To boldy go where halo has already been 
jolly furnace
A mcguffin could be inside the auditorium
Unless the Auditorium is just another way of him saying control room
cyan thunder
I think the created will show up half way through, they may not have discovered the location of this ring yet. Halos have gone missing in the past
jolly furnace
Yeah but that hits same beats as CE
we start out fightin one enemy on a ring
then a new one shows up half way
hardy axle
All I’m seeing is a comment with nothing to do with lore. As for the blocky scenery, which is blatantly the literally building blocks under the natural looking landscapes on the rings. I for one am intrigued to see the ring under repair/construction and being able to have a proper good explore about in an open world, imagine all the secret little lore things hiding in there.
versed helm
The scenery is still relevant to the universe of Halo.
radiant sphinx
To be fair, in Halo Wars 2, separated sections of the ring had very imperfect and extremely detailed edges and intricacies. I’m fine with the style 343 is going for, but it’s something to note.
inner basin
It appears the blocky-ness transferred to the Banished Phantoms which I’m not a big fan of but everything else is okay for me
Also before someone says it, I’m aware that’s how they were in HW2, that’s understandable due to it being an RTS and the user needs to be able to see everything (or as much as they can for gameplay reasons). It’s a minor nitpick though
As for the Created, I really hope they don’t drop that story arc, I’d rather they knock it out now so we can move on with other stories in the universe
versed helm
It appears the blocky-ness transferred to the Banished Phantoms which I’m not a big fan of but everything else is okay for me
@inner basin I personally don't mind it but I can see why people dislike it.
hardy axle
The scenery is still relevant to the universe of Halo.
@versed helm fair play man, if you were talking about the scenery in terms of in universe reasons why it would look the way it does. I thought you were just bashing the graphics. Apologies, this discord has just been disgusting since yesterday, this lore channel is only decent place!
versed helm
All good.
I'm not impressed by the visuals, but the writing and dialogue really catch my attention. @hardy axle
inner basin
Yeah this Discord server is just being bombarded with hate for Infinite in most channels and although there’s a right to critique the game, bashing it isn’t the best thing to do. I chill here mostly because it’s calm plus no slowmode. It’s a win-win
hardy axle
Yeah escharum challenging chief do a dual of the ages was awesome, fight hard, die well.
I have a suspicion he is going to be dead by like a quarter of the way though the game though.
Then the created conflict returns to the forefront.
versed helm
I like the dynamic of Chief representing the fight response while Bro Hammer represents the flight response. Pun intended, lol.
hardy axle
It was a great contrast from him being chuffed to bits last trailer “I’m going home!” No mate, your not.
versed helm
He's definitely going to die near the end.
inner basin
I don’t think so. But on the topic of dying, I’d honestly really like to see a Spartan-IV sacrifice them self though so that players can start to like them more. The hate they get is undeserved imo
hardy axle
I keep seeing chief dying in this game popping up all over. That him an the eschurum are aging warriors looking for a final death dual. Chief is not an old man haha he is a 50 year old augmented superhuman with no known life expectancy, and is predicted to be able to function at peak, PEAK, performance for over a century.
hardy axle
50 since his birth year but yeah who knows with slip and Cryo
inner basin
He’s around 50 chronologically but in terms of physicality, he’s in the 40s
Anyways speaking of Chief, I’d really prefer a new Spartan to take the centre stage. Like I do like Chief but I really want to see new people, maybe a Spartan-III? If not in the mainline games, then maybe a series of side games that are like Halo Wars in terms of getting sequels, but are FPS games
hardy axle
Yeah man, bring on the spin offs. But centre stage is chief stage.
Hopefully with the infinite foundation they can crank out some spin off stories in the following years
humble yacht
I don’t think so. But on the topic of dying, I’d honestly really like to see a Spartan-IV sacrifice them self though so that players can start to like them more. The hate they get is undeserved imo
@inner basin Demarco did this
inner basin
I don’t think he was that bad. If anyone I’d blame Madison more
humble yacht
madison?
inner basin
Madsen. The one with the Sniper Rifle
humble yacht
oh another SIV from SpOps
humble yacht
but DeMarco sacrificed himself
inner basin
Oh you were talking about the sacrifice
humble yacht
yeah
inner basin
I thought you were meaning DeMarco caused the hate mob
humble yacht
even a SIV as crass as DeMarco showed honor in the end
honor and selflessness
he pulled a Noble 6
inner basin
Well he did also have a team to sacrifice for unlike 6
versed helm
@hardy axle Took a glance at #483759756566069258 and... yikes.
inner basin
Yeah I was about to say. His team technically did sacrifice themselves but didn’t die
humble yacht
well they were willing to make the sacrifice so that's what counts
inner basin
But anyways, it’s a shame casuals will never see DeMarco’s sacrifice though and just see him as another arrogant S-IV
humble yacht
I mean, SIVs are nice because they're multifaceted
they're more relatable because they're capable of both good and bad
inner basin
They’re more human than their Spartan predecessors
I remember Musa telling Buck that after Mickey’s betrayal
It wasn’t exactly that but it more or less was
humble yacht
well even SIIs were capable of breaking
at least one had a breakdown and went AWOL
can't remember if he died of was captured and brought back
inner basin
Well the way Musa put it, I don’t necessarily agree with him, unless it’s overall/on average
humble yacht
what do you mean? you don't agree that S-IIs are less human?
inner basin
No I mean I know some Spartan-IIs (and IIIs) are a lot more human, but on an average basis, I’d say they are typically less human than the IVs. I mean it’s for obvious reasons such as the IVs growing up somewhat normally in most cases whereas the IIs and IIIs were indoctrinated into the Spartan programs at a young age
But this has gone off on a complete tangent
humble yacht
I think calling them less human is doing them a disservice
at their core, the S-IIs and even the IIIs are victims of trauma
their mentality and how they conduct themselves is how they were conditioned to cope with that trauma, but they're not less human for it
hardy axle
I’d say saying they are more fallible is fairer than more human.
humble yacht
to err is human
hardy axle
4s are way more likely to er than 2s. So your saying they are more human?
spark sluice
can somebodey tell me that if there will be flood in infinite
hardy axle
No one knows bud
inner basin
I doubt there will be and hope there isn’t personally
But like Dean said, we don’t know. They could make a surprise appearance or maybe cameo at the end
humble yacht
4s are way more likely to er than 2s. So your saying they are more human?
Depends on how you define "err"
there are all sorts of mistakes, not just tactical/military ones
inner basin
I assume err is referring to errors?
I really don’t understand the term, that’s where you lost me
humble yacht
err is like the verb form of error
inner basin
Ahh, I see
hardy axle
The sheer genetics of the 2s mean they would make mistakes of any kind in any field less than your average 4
humble yacht
the genetics is just what made them compatible with the augmentations
inner basin
IIRC John in his early days had a few mishaps. I love how Troy Denning showed them in more detail and that John wasn’t perfect
hardy axle
I don’t think it is. Aren’t they basically all geniuses
humble yacht
let's say chief never got augmented and grew up normal. he may have been somewhat stronger and smarter than the average person but it's not like he would have inherently been an olympian or a genius
hardy axle
Isn’t being stronger and smarter than average basically being an Olympian or genius
humble yacht
the genetic markers that Halsey looked for in the S-IIs were never fully detailed, iirc
hardy axle
Seems like we getting mired in semantics here
humble yacht
no, olympians are considered the peak of human physical condition
inner basin
When you say that I just imagine John sitting in an office job working a 9-5 job instead of being a Spartan
humble yacht
a combination of hard work and innate talent
radiant sphinx
Also most Olympians don’t undergo a rigorous bodily augmentation
hardy axle
I’ve lost what your actual point is I’m afraid. That 4s are just as reliable as 2s?
humble yacht
i was never talking about reliability
inner basin
It was being more human
hardy axle
How “human” they are?
humble yacht
I said that I don't consider the IIs less human than IVs
radiant sphinx
4s are just as human
hardy axle
Oh well they all human sooooo
humble yacht
they're products of their environments and their environments were harsh
inner basin
Yeah. What we mean is the way they show it. I believed the IIs and IIIs in a way aren’t as human as the IVs aa the IIs and IIIs never got a normal childhood in comparison to the IVs in most cases, whereas Chimera believed they were equally as human
radiant sphinx
But they’re still human
radiant sphinx
Having a childhood doesn’t make you more human than someone who’s abused
humble yacht
because if you give them a chance to live normal lives, they can
Randall shows this
inner basin
So does Maria tbf
humble yacht
just most S-IIs don't get that opportunity
hardy axle
Being “human” just isn’t really quantifiable. Like chimera says, depends on your environment. Humans are very adaptable, what being human entails can be wildly different person to person.
humble yacht
humanity is a difficult term to define, because it's so multifaceted
some philosophies look at humanity as capacity for empathy and compassion and selflessness, but others look at humanity as being capable of both great good and great evil
inner basin
You know what, you make a good point
humble yacht
but yeah, I view the S-IIs and IIIs as essentially trauma survivors, and though they may be quirky and abnormal, I wouldn't say they are less human
tbh they all deserve the chance to live normal lives but they've been conditioned to not want normal lives, so it's really not fair
kind of tragic, actually
inner basin
But you do have the odd Spartans who do want to live normal lives, such as Maria
Randall too
hardy axle
What’s the actual story behind Randal leaving the service? Can’t remember it really being explained in nightfall.
slim thorn
Same goes for Daisy which she finally decide to stay at UNSC.
humble yacht
uh
hardy axle
Is he a washout?
humble yacht
randal got stranded during a mission
slim thorn
Randall was MIA for 10 years
humble yacht
he built up a life during that time separated from the unsc and decided he liked it more than being a spartan
hardy axle
10 years! Yeah fair play then
humble yacht
then ONI found him and made his life difficult, so he made a deal with them to give back what augments he could in exchange for being left alone
hardy axle
What’s this info from btw? Seemed to have missed it
humble yacht
Nightfall
hardy axle
Oh haha
inner basin
Halopedia is where I quickly pulled it from, but the source is Nightfall
There’s some Waypoint posts too from the looks of it
hardy axle
Might have to rewatch it, haven’t seen it since release. Main thing I remember is not being impressed.
inner basin
I actually enjoyed Nightfall personally.
inner basin
I mean I like a lot of live action things related to Halo
hardy axle
I’ll definitely give it a rewatch then.👍
inner basin
If they made Dirt into a live action my life would be complete
I mean it’ll never happen but it would be cool
In case you’re wondering why Dirt, it’s because it’s a short story with so much action. If size of the material didn’t matter I’d probably go with GoO
slim thorn
Is there a possibility that Chief will fight Warden one-on-one?
inner basin
Well we basically did in Halo 5 if you didn’t really use the squad mechanics that much. I always liked to assassinate the Warden because the animation is pretty cool
slim thorn
Because if there are tales that can linked up to Halo Infinite, that will be great. There could be at least three factions (UNSC, Banished, and Created).
hardy axle
I for one would like to see the flood in there too. They just desperately need addressing in the story.
They are still out there and are the biggest threat by far. Crazy forerunners appear to have kept samples everywhere! And even when they aren’t released due to outside meddling they managed to breach containment on delta halo and the shield world in halo wars.
slim thorn
Four faction fight then? Well, that could be interesting.
idle reef
I was wondering if there was lore behind why halo reach you have a wierd AR but in Halo 1 you have a normal one.
slim thorn
You mean the Assault Rifles? Why is it weird on Reach?
slim thorn
You expect a century old gun to be weird.
Reach's AR service is at around 115 years by the time Fall of Reach happens.
MA5B could be less than 20 to 30 years
idle reef
You have a point
latent mason
when does halo wars take place
terse lava
2531
latent mason
what about wars 2
seems like theres a big gap from halo wars and halo wars 2 plops right between infinite and 5
vague scroll
2559
the Spirit of Fire was stranded because it lost its Slipspace engine in the end of Halo Wars
spent 30 years drifting in deep space
versed helm
Is there a possibility that the crashed ship at the beginning is that?
idle reef
Having the spirit of fire in infinite would be interesting
vague scroll
seems far too small to be remnants of a Phoenix class? If I'm understanding your question? @versed helm
versed helm
You are.
vague scroll
gotcha
yeah, Phoenix classes are 2.5 kilometers in length
that piece is too small and blocky to be a ripped chunk from the SoF
idle reef
What class is it in your opinion
vague scroll
a new class
no designation at this point
visually it shares the most similarity with the Strident-class Heavy Frigate
inner basin
I thought it looked kinda like the front of the Infinity as well as a little resemblance to the Autumn-Class Heavy Cruiser, ofc the chunk is way too small to be either
idle reef
I think it's funny how some of the best ships of the unsc cant take a halo but a out-of-date Phoenix class ship kicks a** at a ark
inner basin
Well it’s due to the forces at play. The Autumn was under a lot of fire with a substantial number of ships following it. I wouldn’t consider the In Amber Clad one of the best ships in the navy as it’s only a frigate and if the Infinity is destroyed, it’ll be interesting to see what it was
idle reef
Well I'm stupid
vague scroll
it's okay, it's easy to miss
the reason why we know it's people is that markers said "deceased" instead of "destroyed"
idle reef
It confused me because it showed the pelican still alive, and I would count a pelican as a ship
vague scroll
yeah I get you, that was another item that made me realize it was dead bodies
humble yacht
Inb4 ships are alive and the next halo threat is a ship uprising
Halo 7: Ghost of Autumn
gilded mason
Finally, Halo becomes kino
vague scroll
has Mr_Feeds just been dropping random links to his youtube livestreams this entire time?
slim thorn
I would rather the Created Conflict ends at Halo Infinite though. With Cortana passing the mantle to Chief and Chief will like... "Let's destroy this once and for all."
haughty lotus
I think it's funny how some of the best ships of the unsc cant take a halo but a out-of-date Phoenix class ship kicks a** at a ark
@idle reef That's Halo for you
fair hazel
There’s restrictions on why the banished didn’t engage full weapons in the spirit of fire
cedar surge
They don't want to get obliterated by the Sentinals is one of them
versed helm
- MA40 AR
- Plasma Pistol
Pistol | Plasma | Charge - MK50 Sidekick
- VK78 Commando
Tactical Rifle | Kinetic | Auto - Ravager
Launcher | Plasma | Burst - Pulse Carbine
Assault Rifle | Plasma | Burst - Mangler
- CQS48 Bulldog
Shotgun | Kinetic | Spread - Needler
*H2 BR
*Energy Sword
*Gravity Hammer
Fixed the list
cedar surge
Hope when they say they will expand infinite that means they won't lock the actual story behind expansions
versed helm
Same here, I'm very concerned about this.
hardy axle
I’m all good with story expansions, but the base game must have an ending.
cedar surge
When they say eexpansions does that mean we will get to fight in other places or will we just stay on the ring
feral drum
What is the difference with Halo 3 ODST and the Halo 2 Anniversary ODST?
humble yacht
there is no Halo 2 Anniversary ODST
so the difference would be that one is real and one is fake
hardy axle
Wish there was. Play as the ODST that drop with you on delta halo. Left behind when chief just leaves on the key ship.
End of the campaign you hook up with arbiter and he gives you a ride back to earth.
feral drum
Sorry, Day at the Beach has ODSTs
Specifically, the Halo 2 variant, who drop with you on the Halo ring as well
cedar surge
Different armor
According to halopedia the earth home fleet had hundreds of ships during the battle of earth
humble yacht
And they lost most of them
vague scroll
the cost of fighting a war with the Covenant
the attached fifth fleet under Harper had 8 Marathon heavy cruisers and 67 Stalwart light frigates and that was just what we saw visually, the skybox in H2 gives a great scale in how big the UNSC fleet that went up against Regret was
humble yacht
Wasn’t it truth’s forces that did most of the damage tho?
gilded mason
Maybe. Miranda says Truth's forces smashed what was left of the home fleet, implying things were already becoming FUBAR before he arrived.
humble yacht
If things were so fubar then why did regret flee?
gilded mason
He's a silly goose
humble yacht
If he were winning, you’d think he’d press the advantage
vague scroll
Regret fled because he lost all his starships except one @humble yacht
and he hadn't expected the kind of defenses when he arrived at Earth, uninformed that it was the human homeworld
humble yacht
That sounds more like he got his butt whooped than he whooped the UNSC’s butt
vague scroll
he only brought 15 ships
in terms of comparative advantage, even though he wrecked the UNSC Home Fleet and probably only did moderate damage to the SMAC defense grid - he managed to significant damage with that alone that the UNSC force was left on the back foot
actually checking back on the Sacred Consecration - he lost his first CAS assault carrier, retained his second but the number of CCS escort battlecruisers that survived is unknown
at least the Pious Inquisitor survived
cedar surge
He was lucky that odsts weren't able to board his ship in time
Now that I think about it after hitting the hull how were they supposed to get inside
humble yacht
Maybe they had breach kits in their pods
vague scroll
Titanium-A and Carbon Nanolaminate ship armor appear to be structurally of similar strength integrity, and we know that UNSC handheld breaching ordinance is more than capable of busting through ship plating so I do think the breach kit idea is accurate
rich aspen
Nah bro.
Straight up drop into those things and have everyone die on impact with the shields.
cedar surge
Shouldn't have the unsc tried to criple the ship with a mac shot before boarding it?
rich aspen
Yeah.
Seems stupid to drop at least a platoon of Helljumpers onto a shielded target.
At that point New Mombasa was lost and I'm confused why they didn't just ODP that thing.
cedar surge
Maybe it was case of Bungie writing
rich aspen
Seeing as the Cairo was still up.
vague scroll
They were trying to use heavy MACs to knock out its shields if you match up the writing in ODST and H2
rich aspen
The really question now is, what happened to the marines forces in New Mombasa?
Seeing as the helljumpers got KIAed.
vague scroll
well they were still fighting in ODST
rich aspen
Yeah, but they low key dissapear after a while.
vague scroll
radiation and Slipspace portal fallout are nasty business
rich aspen
Wondering if more guys from ONI Alpha base evaced or they all died.
elfin walrus
I'm liking the variety of enemies the Banish will offer in the game. But I noticed the Hunters weren't in the demo. Is there a reason for that?
gilded mason
They simply weren't in that area
clever fable
How do you guys feel about the goal of finishing up the narratives of the current saga in Infinite? Think it'll be done effectively in just one game?
elfin walrus
It seems like Halo Infinite is going to be used to reboot a new saga as opposed to ending the current one. So I'm not sure, but from what I've seen so far, I think the narrative has a lot of possibilities to start and end many adventures. Especially since the game is open world.
clever fable
In the IGN article with Lee and Crocker, they said it will be the conclusion to the saga, and help set up new stories.
Personally when they said soft-reboot, I wasn't expecting full-on conclusions for the whole saga up to this point.
So if this goal pans out in their actions with the story, it just makes me a little nervous as to how it'll be done. Not strictly disappointed with the decision, just wary.
elfin walrus
Well, I believe Chief's relationship with Cortana will be resolved with this story and it's clear now that the Covenant are dead, buried and usurped by the Banished. The only loose ends would be the Didact, possibly, and whether Atriox is still leading the Banished on the Ark. They've also said that the story will be centered around Chief, whom the main antagonist seems to be more interested in than with the Halo Ring. I think Infinite can end the Reclaimer Saga and launch new stories with how big it's supposedly going to be.
clever fable
I think it can too, I'm just worried about the quality of these conclusions as I think these topics, like Cortana's Created, and the Ur-Didact, carry baggage with them that need room to breathe.
cedar surge
Wonder how are they going to make infinite last 10 years
vague scroll
I doubt this incentive is that Infinite will actually last 10 years but it is a key point in that direction - we'll likely get more side games but generally, I'd suspect the big part of the next decade plan is building off the Slipspace Engine
cedar surge
So are odst armor any different post war before the created?
swift glade
Anybody know what happened to jun after reach?
solar tartan
became a spartan 4 recruiter
versed helm
Interesting detail for the Grunt toss - one of the Jiralhanae launched them from well beyond John’s 31M motion tracker. Assuming it was 50 yards, this is similar to an American QB with a 15oz football
Meaning Brutes are around 240 times stronger than an American Footballer
versed helm
Lol thanks
@loud glen heavily doubt it. The game’s PG8+ in Australia, which prevents flood and assassinations since knives are prohibited with that rating
Halo 5 was a step above that age rating because of the assassinations and blood splatter
loud glen
Oh so 343i really went from rated T to E 
versed helm
They had to make changes to get the game ship in that region
Mmhm. After GeneralKidd’s video on it, I’m a bit worried that they’re homogenising it to fit China’s criteria
clever fable
Same tbh
loud glen
Am not sure how I feel about that but it’s a pretty good strategy to attract more players so I’ll give it that
versed helm
It’d be fine if it were just some bloodless/bloody DLC pack instead of whittling the combat feeling down for everyone tbh
I liked the assassinations. They even had them in the recent field guide
So it’s strange to just never hear of them entirely given they’re still apart of GEN3
cedar surge
Huh on YouTube people seem to be much more happy than people on reddit
timid warren
reddit moment
cedar surge
Reddit does have a echo chamber
I'm wondering how the banished could have taken out the unsc on the ring and say it wasn't that hard
Going by halo wars two the banished and unsc were pretty even
And that's the unsc with outdated equipment
feral perch
Escharum must be a far greater tactician than Atriox.
Which isn’t difficult.
Atriox lost hard to Cutter.
He lost his right hand brute, his largest warship, and a Halo ring all to Cutter’s forces.
vague scroll
the HW2 epilogue paints a pretty good picture that Atriox's losses were ultimately only a set back
Atriox still has a massive army at his disposal
it's also impressive that they managed to catharize a local scale Flood outbreak with their limited resources
I don't think Atriox is less of a threat, it's just a matter of resources
versed helm
The Flood also did a number on Atriox’ forces as well
vague scroll
as for the defeat of the UNSC, as you said the Banished and UNSC seem relatively equal in capability (even though it's based on broad stroke assessments), the UNSC Infinity has come close to being beaten by Jul's Covenant and the New Colonial Alliance on occasion in Halo: Escalations, it's not improbable for the Banished's remaining forces to give a exiled UNSC supercarrier on the run in a remote corner of the galaxy a good beating
feral perch
Atriox’s viability depends entirely on who has plot armor in a given situation.
The Banished had plot armor in AtN, so they won.
cedar surge
So when in the demo they showed the unsc icons(ONI,odst, and the new unsc logo) and it showed deceased are they ships or troops
vague scroll
that is probably the most accurate writing statement I've ever heard from somebody ever @feral perch
they're people @cedar surge
feral perch
wow lol
vague scroll
it says "deceased" not "destroyed"
cedar surge
Heard people say they were a fleet
vague scroll
aka, they're Identify-Friend-or-Foe (IFF) tags
cedar surge
Huh
cedar surge
Wait a sec. What's ONI doing at the ring,don't they not have any real soldiers to fight with?
vague scroll
Naval Intelligence is always with the Navy
they go hand and hand
they're on the ring because the UNSC was defeated
or rather... they were
just like the UNSC, they're on the run or dead
cedar surge
By the halo 3 ONI archives it seems they are still around
Unless that archive was way before infinite
vague scroll
halo 3 oni archives are long before Halo Infinite
but we know for certain that ONI was operating into the 2600s
cedar surge
Well the demo had save marines markers, so we know that some marines survived
And maybe some odsts and Spartans survive too
vague scroll
I must have missed that part, I don't recall the "save marines" marker but I wouldn't be surprised if that happened
we saw more survivors in the 2018 Announcement trailer
it's possible
cedar surge
And the box art has 2 flying pelicans on the front but that might not mean much
Also I don't think its possible for cortana to catch every single unsc ship
Dosnt slipspace get faster the bigger group you traveled with?
So they could have a better chance at surviving with the infinity
vague scroll
Slipspace grows slower if there's more traffic in a subspace zone actually
but the UNSC and Covenant have never reached that point, not on the level of Forerunner Slipspace manipulation
Cortana doesn't really need to since starships are fly flies to colony worlds
vague scroll
for fuel, delivering cargo, make money, return home, get supplies
starships will eventually go to colonies so the Guardians don't need to find the starships, eventually they have to return to a port of some kind and that's when they get caught
cedar surge
Well unsc are equipped to go long journies right? The SoF for example is still able to function well after 20 years using cryo sleep
And its only been 2 years since 5
vague scroll
they can but I'm not talking about warships, I'm talking civilian starships
the backbone of the UNSC isn't the Navy, its the civilians and logistical lines - a civilization's lifeblood is it's people
if trade and communication can't happen, the civilization collapses
versed helm
The new guns’ shabby 10mm, 12 gauge and 6.8mm cartridges make the Brutes look weaker in this game
That’s a big step down from 12.7, 8 gauge and 7.62
cedar surge
Yea in HW2 Jerome killed a brute with a single shotgun blast
versed helm
I read Infinite was rated M tho @loud glen
Sorry for being late in the conversation
@versed helm sadly, no. It’s mostly seen as e10 in most countries other than the US where it’s still T
So no assassinations, blood or flood?
cedar surge
There is blood
cedar surge
There is blood,flood would make it M so likely no,and assisnations would be stupid to not put in
cedar surge
Assassinations?
versed helm
Is ot confirmed they're not@in?
cedar surge
What
versed helm
No
cedar surge
Why?
versed helm
No assassinations
cedar surge
Why
cedar surge
We are going straight back to halo 3
versed helm
Australia rated it PG, which is a step down from M (which in itself is actually T in Aus)
PG games don’t allow for violence with knives, especially it it’s to the throat or head
cedar surge
Wasn't 5 T for teens and still had assinations?
versed helm
well that's dumb
Halo 5 was T-equivalent in australia, but this one’s e10-equivalent
Other T games for Halo were Halo 3, 4, with MCC and Reach being a soft M17+
Halo Wars 2 was also T for the opening scene with Atriox and the spartans stabbing him
Hence, no assassinations in Infinite
cedar surge
Is 343 doing this to bring nostalgia?
versed helm
I heavily doubt it. The corpses even disappear quickly in order to fulfil a lighter rating as well
cedar surge
You have to be kidding me
versed helm
Sadly not..
So no blood splatters (even for Aliens), dead bodies longer than a few seconds, and no knives
gusty whale
kinda just jumping in here but they shouldnt remove potentially good plot points like the flood just for a stupid rating
versed helm
The Original Halo Wars allowed for an e10 because Forge didn’t actually kill the arbiter from the knife stabbing
@gusty whale exactly why I’m bummed. Especially given the other plot points such as fight scenes that will be extremely limited with such a low rating
cedar surge
Why would they think this is a good idea
versed helm
I have no clue
gusty whale
yeah. i thought the trailer looked really good but i would be so disappointed if the combat is like fortnite or something
versed helm
Especially given the classic designs and stuff allegedly homage to the older fans
cedar surge
How is 3 having a more mature rating than infinite
dusk olive
I just read this convo and I’m disappointed in 343 for doing that I feel
cedar surge
The only thing that feels like the banished were the brutes
versed helm
Same. I’m going to really miss stacking bodies, blood and knife play
cedar surge
They did not have the banished look from HW2
versed helm
Exactly! Which is why whittling away the age content is so bad
The Banished have to at least make it T (by other country standards) to thematically feel right
unique rune
in order to fulfil a lighter rating
Is that confirmed or speculation?
versed helm
Well, why else would they remove assassinations and blood splatter?
unique rune
I mean it could be a resource thing
versed helm
Heavily doubt that
gusty whale
but with the power of the slipspace engine and series x that shouldnt be a problem
unique rune
Dunno about assassinations but if they're angling for an open-world thing it might be to streamline how the game runs
cedar surge
Its the leader for the next consoles which is supposed to be powerful
dusk olive
I guess I understand that halo want more people by lowering the age rating but cmon
Wants
gusty whale
a kid can still get an m rated game
unique rune
I just think it's silly to jump to conclusions like that without any solid evidence otherwise
versed helm
And it’s really debilitating to have the “Brutal and Ruthless Banished” be expressed in a game where it’s no more violent than fortnite
dusk olive
Lol true
gusty whale
ive walked into gamestop at 13-14 and gotten m rated games
gusty whale
isnt fortnite T
cedar surge
This sounds to bad to be true
dusk olive
There was blood in the demo video
versed helm
IT’S a LOWER RATING than fortnite???
dusk olive
Wait wtf
cedar surge
What
gusty whale
very bad
dusk olive
343 what have you done
cedar surge
Oh
versed helm
It has the same age rating as Minecraft. Halo infinite is PG for Mild themes, Mild Violence and Scary Scenes
ESRB hasen't rated it yet
cedar surge
Rating pending,that means it could change
dusk olive
Bruh
unique rune
Yeah officially Infinite is still 'Rating Pending'
chill
be patient
wait for more info
gusty whale
i really hope it changes
unique rune
I really don't care what label the ESRB slaps on it
versed helm
It's likely to me M guys
unique rune
because at most it is no more than a guideline
gusty whale
it wouldnt be the end of the world but it would suck if it doesnt have good effects just for ratings
versed helm
..Or big story changes or tainting the themes of the factions present
dusk olive
Halo would be ruined then
gusty whale
if they screw up the flood right when master chief meets them again i swear
versed helm
Installation 09 and all
cedar surge
It would be ridiculous to just turn around and see every enemy you killed disappear
versed helm
Apparently a lot of the devs involved in the story were replaced mid-development after the 2019 trailer
unique rune
If Halo was ruined every time people said it was, the franchise would've stopped at Halo 2
versed helm
Has to> If Halo was ruined every time people said it was, the franchise would've stopped at Halo 2
@unique rune This
Has to includes flood, assassinations & blood
It's on a ring
I really wish for those three things
gusty whale
if its 07 there must be flood
gusty whale
especially 07
cedar surge
Its 07
versed helm
Well flood would need it to make an M rating, otherwise it would just feel censored and dull
jolly furnace
Sangheili UNSC were sterilizing FLood on 07
cedar surge
Zeta halo
jolly furnace
So unless they missed any there should be none
gusty whale
way to cover it up
cedar surge
Yea the unsc would not let the flood slide
gusty whale
from a plot perspecrtive
versed helm
That’s a horrible story decision
versed helm
“Oh yeah we just cleared the greatest threat to the galaxy no biggie”
unique rune
Well flood would need it to make an M rating, otherwise it would just feel censored and dull
I mean it's been a while since we last saw the Flood in an FPS game
after so many years I'd imagine it's possible the ESRB could be more lenient with ratings
cedar surge
I'm saying on the ring
gusty whale
imagibe just removing the flood and explaining it away like "the unsc got rid of it before the game takes place"
cedar surge
Oh wait yea
versed helm
Except it was a big reason for Halo 2 anniversary being rated M @unique rune the infected had exposed intestines, and the carrier forms were skinless humans with exposed muscles and bone
cedar surge
That's as bad as atriox getting sniped
unique rune
I think people were talking about 07's sterilization thing not too long ago here
said it was questionably canon or something like that?
versed helm
If the flood come back and they are a censored version of what’s seen on H2A, then I don’t want to see them at all
cedar surge
Imagine the next time the flood come back they just fall over and dusdapear when you kill them
jolly furnace
Some sterilization had to happen as Iso-Didact left Flood all over the Halo as a memorial to all the suffering there
versed helm
Oof.. please no
The only way hey could appear in infinite is if they look like Plants vs Zombies
jolly furnace
If Flood wasn't sterilized it would show on the ring surface
unique rune
And here I thought this was the channel I could use to get away from Infinite fearmongering
cedar surge
Though if the unsc did That it would be a repeat of that HW2 cutscene all over again
Oh wait we got caught up
Where do you guys think the SoS are in all of this
gilded mason
Having another barbeque
cedar surge
Oh and the theory that chief is infected by the flood is dumb
What would they even eat
Moas?
gilded mason
They have native meats
cedar surge
This is gonna make the forerunners are gods believers stronger in their faith isn't it. The whole created situation
How could any human fall for this,the ones who join groups that still believe that forerunners are gods and allow humans
gusty whale
im worried that they wont talk about the created or the guardians or osiris because of the spiritual reboot thing, and wont even say if theyre still canon
because on paper halo 5s story is really good
and sets up a sequel perfectly
but what if they dont even talk about it and act like 5 never happened
versed helm
Well yeah, when Locke’s head was allegedly slapped on a new Brute character’s shoulder, I got the impression this level of savagery was symbolising their prominence in the rest of the game’s theme. But.. nope
Ring is confirmed ro be 07
No way theres no flood
Not allowed to see marines being tortured or beaten like in Halo 3, either
gusty whale
yeah. thats the only thing im really worried about. graphics and stuff im sure will be great in the end
versed helm
If flood are in it, they’ll be very underwhelming, visually
gusty whale
yeah it would be a waste of graphical power on a super complicated being
versed helm
Yeah the graphical fidelity is another thing entirely. I wouldn’t have a problem with the graphics if it weren’t for those giant, ugly basalt raised beds that homogenise all of the playspace
versed helm
But they’re just gray walls, no detail or anything. It looks like it was made in Forge; especially when looking back at Halo 2’s sacred icon mission where they did so much with similar architecture
Haunting interiors and such
gusty whale
yeah if they have more details that cant hurt but i kinda like the segmented broken part of the ring, i cant really explain why
it gives me a vibe
not sure what it is tho
but i like it
versed helm
I like the concept, yeah. I could go for more exposed wiring and frameworks though in them
gusty whale
that could be cool
versed helm
Or maybe exposed sentinel factories or tunnelworks, that kind of stuff
versed helm
Mm.. me too
And I really don’t like the choice of art style given the presence of the Banished; it looks very counterintuitive and like self-sabotage
Not sure why they went for the RTS appearance for them.. literally in some cases
gusty whale
yeah idk i really liked the heavy jagged armor the banished had in hw2
versed helm
Same here.. The lower fidelity Blur cutscene look of them would have been a lot more appropriate than the somewhat higher detailed in-game models
gusty whale
yeah their armor looks more covenant
but i dont necesarrily mind
i wonder whats up with the enemies that have traditional coveneant armor
i wonder if theyre the harbinger or if cortana is
versed helm
Oh, I don’t mind the wider colour scheme - that’s not what I mean
gusty whale
i know i just got reminded of it
versed helm
It’s just the design queues in general. Halo’s always been stylised, but not borderline cartoon
gusty whale
yeah i like the look of it but i hope it doesnt become fortnite
versed helm
It seems to be.. unfortunately. If that’s their true approach they’re not going to admit it
The same way they didn’t admit removing blood splatters for humans was for a T rating, even though it clearly was given the difference in marketing etc
(Halo 5)
They just said it was to maintain the correct framerate, which doesn’t look like a good excuse [to use again] when displaying the Series X
gusty whale
yeah
versed helm
It’s unfortunate. I miss the grit; it really did play a part in the Halo demeanour
Like what people say, fond memories of the sheer bloodbaths in CE and 2. It was also a good hitmarker substitute
candid ledge
halo was stylized but it was still grounded in some aspects
it needed to have it so people connected with it more
versed helm
Yeah. If it weren’t for the faces, this game would look more or less like Fortnite as I’ve said before
candid ledge
then 343 went all too overly stylized and sci fi to the point it lost that rough human nature and felt bland
infinite looks like a decent compromise but it's missing that roughness and lived in feel of the weapons and environment
versed helm
Mmhm. And when it’s about hope, grit and dark themes is essential for putting the idea of feeling hopeful across
Otherwise, what’s the point of feeling hopeful about stuff you’re not even experiencing much anyway?
No savagery from your enemies or torture, no horror elements and piles of bodies
dire timber
Hey.
versed helm
Even Halo 3 had all of the above
dire timber
Seen the trailer, I’m pissed.
dire timber
It’s, just the graphics.
They had five years.
And the phantoms are on rails?
Geez 343. It’s meant to look amazing!
Seems like they forgot the created as well.
cedar surge
Biggest problem for me is how banished look but everything else is fine for me
versed helm
Yeah the fidelity is a big kick to the stomach
candid ledge
I liked the idea that there are other spartans like chief but they weren't as fortunate as him and some of them actually had really tragic stories. In some of the live action promotional material and a few short stories, the covenenant freaking scary to the average person
versed helm
I’m similar to Lance, but more of the idea of how restricted it all is due to the rating
dire timber
Is it just me or is the chat slowl
versed helm
@dire timber I know what you’re feeling
dire timber
Because I’m in tornado watch is it electrical interference?
I know, it hurts so much. Waiting 5 years.
cedar surge
Chat seems normal to me
dire timber
They had so god dam long, it brings a tear to my eye.