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#lore-and-universe
austere warren
cedar surge
Of years
cedar surge
So basically
There were the precursors
Who because they gave ancient humanity the right to rule other species
dire timber
Mantle of responsibilities
austere warren
Ugh anyway trust me rona started it all anyway I’ll move to gen discussion I didn’t really get what this channel was I saw universe
dire timber
What?
versed helm
Have fun
dire timber
Uhhh. All right?
cedar surge
What have even been the last two convos
dire timber
Anyway I’m taking a huge dump.
Finishing this fight.
???
You just bypassed, filth.
dire timber
Jesus Christ your annoying, I’m blocking you before I lose any more brain cells.
dire timber
Jesus what was that guys problem
austere warren
Anyways moving on
dire timber
ByPassing.
dire timber
Dude, you can’t just bypass.
austere warren
Your a hypocrite
dire timber
How am I a hypocrite???Z
carmine sleet
@wispy bough These two seem to be arguing and bypassing the filter
austere warren
U say what’s my problem yet u were being toxic
cedar surge
Yea he wasn't
dire timber
How’s that txoic
wispy bough
We have logs, genius.
dire timber
I said you should spell know correctly.
Geez man.
Indeed Rhys, but mine get deleted.
boreal bane
Feel free to move on now
cedar surge
Thank you
dire timber
Can we just discuss lore.
Thanks mate.
Anyway, Lance.
Could atriox in theory.
Rip a pelicans wing off.
cedar surge
No I don't think so
dire timber
Since the material the Pelicans are made of.
versed helm
Decimus in his exoskeleton definitely could
dire timber
The vulture is so underrated.
cedar surge
There is a world of difference between crushing a helmet and ripping of the wing of a aircraft
dire timber
Lance.
cedar surge
Yea wish we saw the vulture more
cedar surge
Even then
dire timber
He could surely take the winglets off.
versed helm
I don’t think it’s as durable as MJOLNIR material
cedar surge
The pelican wing has so much more mass and structure
cedar surge
Also
dire timber
He could find a way to tear the wing off.
cedar surge
Atriox did crush the helmet but he couldn't break it all the way
dire timber
Lance, I just had a thought.
cedar surge
What?
dire timber
The pelicans seem to not be modern UNSC.
What if brohammers.
From the spirit of fire.
cedar surge
Well a difference that I see is
cedar surge
They are not colored in the SoF pelicans
versed helm
It’s apparently a new model iirc
cedar surge
The spirit of fire wouldn't be the only ship in the unsc to have older unsc craft
cedar surge
There are other fleets
dire timber
Ok
But the
Others were shut down by guardians.
So imo the only remaining UNSC ships are the infinity, her frigates and the spirit
cedar surge
According to bad blood tech can be repaired after being hit by the guardians emp
cedar surge
You don't need to
dire timber
Created occupation
cedar surge
Serina in those 20 years managed to repair the SoF on her own
dire timber
Yes, but the problem is that the ships were likely towed.
Into the planets to be repurposed
versed helm
Bad Blood was weird
versed helm
It completely contradicted the ergonomics of the guardians seen in Legacy of Onyx
cedar surge
Its fine
versed helm
Cya man
dire timber
Nah I’ll stay on
5 minutes.
Does the UNSC use robot soldiers, I’d hate if they did.
cedar surge
No
dire timber
But lore wise, why not?
cedar surge
Yea
dire timber
Coolest part of halo, they still use aircraft carriers.
versed helm
Androids would make sense, but no
dire timber
Remember long shore?
dire timber
I would imagine a cool future museum.
You can basicaly go onto the internet
And it will only show content from that year and the years before.
Like a virtual year.
cedar surge
Waypoint is actually the internet in human space
dire timber
You could go to 2020 and see 500 year old posts.
cedar surge
Chatterbox was the older one
versed helm
Yeah not at all
cedar surge
Chatterbox is less monitered
dire timber
Goodnight guys.
cedar surge
Gud night
cedar surge
Night
edgy radish
You know I just need to understand that ending clip from the Hope trailer. Cortana chose John, but for what?
limpid meadow
It's in reference to Operation: RED FLAG, a last ditch effort to end the Human-Covenant war.
However, the day it was supposed to happen was August 30th, the Fall of Reach, and the operation never happened.
Cortana had chosen John to carry her for that operation.
inner basin
The Cortana fragment at Reach with Halsey also chose Noble Six as her courier in Halo Reach as a side fact. Emile’s reaction to being chosen by an AI always make me laugh
edgy radish
Yeah but wasn’t John in cryo when they got her onto the Autumn?
inner basin
Well yeah. I don’t know what that’s got to do with anything though
edgy radish
Sorry it’s been a few years for me. So @limpid meadow is saying Cortana chose John to carry her. I wasn’t aware that Cortana knew about MC before Halo 1
Like did Halsey program her too?
inner basin
Cortana is a “Smart A.I” that was made of Halsey’s cloned brain I believe
feral perch
You don’t program a Smart AI
inner basin
Yeah Cortana wasn’t programmed either like Stone said
versed helm
Didn't she need to insert the data recovered on Sword Base though?
feral perch
It’s explained in the novel Halo: The Fall of Reach (released prior to the launch of CE) that Cortana chose John. Also no, Reach completely made that crap up to give Six something valuable to do. In the novel, there was no fragment of Cortana.
inner basin
Reach is canon, yeah
feral perch
She got the nav data leading to Halo from a special rock on Sigma Octanus IV
In the novel
versed helm
I'm not talking about Halo's navigation data.
feral perch
Ah.
inner basin
No, the data she got from Sigma is actually combined with the data she got from the Artifact below Sword Base to get the co-ords for 04
feral perch
That’s 343i’s attempt at harmonization
inner basin
Yeah, but that’s the current canon
feral perch
The whole Sword Base stuff was unnecessary
inner basin
Yeah but because it’s done, and 343 like their lore, they made it a thing
feral perch
Yes.
versed helm
I personally don't mind it.
inner basin
Same. It makes Reach’s campaign more worthwhile
edgy radish
So according to the novel John and Cortana knew each other prior to instillation 04. That’s really what I was getting at.
inner basin
Yeah. They worked together during the Battle of Reach
feral perch
How the frock do they expect us to believe the Autumn was heading away from Reach, got recalled and landed on the surface through the giant space battle where the Covenant were totally winning, and then stole back through the atmosphere and escaped Thel’s ships?
versed helm
My gripe with Reach is that it implies Cortana was created after the Battle of Reach.
feral perch
uh how?
inner basin
Stone have you watched HaloCanon’s video trying to canonise the novel FoR and the game? It’s a good watch and tries to canonically have both co-exist
feral perch
I have seen it.
inner basin
While again, it’s impossible to have everything match up, it somewhat works
feral perch
It’s a good video. But it didn’t help my suspension of disbelief.
jolly furnace
Some stuff just has to accepted as being retconned
inner basin
But the point is that Reach (the game) uses local time and the book FoR uses military time
feral perch
There’s no way the UNSC kept that huge battle a secret from the rest of Reach for so long
versed helm
Maybe for some areas.
inner basin
Well, actually that is canon. Except it’s ONI keeping it a secret, not the UNSC
inner basin
They did it on Meridian too
versed helm
There are quite a few remote settlements on Reach, no?
inner basin
Yeah there are, such as the place we visit in the first mission in Reach
feral perch
They kept it secret from John and the S-IIs who were training on the biggest military base on the planet
bruh
bruh
versed helm
Exactly, so I can see why people were oblivious to the events unfolding elsewhere.
feral perch
They kept it secret from the various military and civilian ships WHO WOULD SEE THE SPACE BATTLE IF THEY JUST LOOKED OUT A WINDOW
versed helm
Isn't there a timeline for both Reach and FoR?
I need to look into that, if it exists.
edgy radish
I feel like this best explains it.
“In the end, Fall of Reach is canon in everything that isn't a contradiction to later works, and anything that is a contradiction in the Fall of Reach got retconned, as the old overwrites the new.”
inner basin
Where’d you grab that from @edgy radish
edgy radish
A dude on the internet posted that statement in the forums of HaloWaypoint
carmine sleet
You're trusting some random person on the internet?
edgy radish
inner basin
Yeah don’t trust the forums.
I’ve spend a lot of time there and the amount of times that people say things that are blatantly wrong is uncountable at this point
I’ll say it again, HaloCanon made a really good video trying his best to make the book and the game story fit well with each other
earnest sandal
i feel bad for grunts
inner basin
You shouldn’t. You know in the lore on Buck’s home planet, they (along with the other Covenant species) hunted and killed the humans on there for sport. Some species were also to have said to eat them too
earnest sandal
ik
limpid meadow
“In the end, Fall of Reach is canon in everything that isn't a contradiction to later works, and anything that is a contradiction in the Fall of Reach got retconned, as the old overwrites the new.”
@edgy radish This isn't quite true. As soon as 343 took over, they released a number of materials that effectively make both Halo Reach and Halo: The Fall of Reach equally canon. There's a bit of configuring, but they generally work together now.
earnest sandal
but they were in slaved
inner basin
They weren’t forced to do everything you know. It’s still messed up eating humans
inner basin
I never spare Grunts unless it’s the ones who are about to die during the final missions, or if they’re friendly, for obvious reasons
edgy radish
I’ve been out of Halo for a few years. @limpid meadow Guardians didn’t really do it for me so my interest in the series declined until news of Halo Infinite.
earnest sandal
halo infinite hype time
edgy radish
With that being said it’s one of my favorite franchises still to this day. I’ve been in Halo tournaments , played Halo 2 online with the frag dolls, and even know one of the guys who worked with Bungie making Halo.
limpid meadow
Just letting you know how it's all worked 🙂
edgy radish
But 4 was okay and 5 just let me down
earnest sandal
4 was a good game
edgy radish
Oh I know, I’m out of the loop. Halo Infinite looks like a return to form and that’s got me excited.
4 was good, but it just didn’t have the same wow factor as the first 3
inner basin
I think 4 is kinda underrated tbh, but this isn’t the channel for that discussion
edgy radish
Plus that ending was super depressing
earnest sandal
yea
limpid meadow
It was supposed to be depressing. It was a huge shift for the series, and that's one reason I loved it.
We didn't need another galaxy-level threat, we needed a more personal story, and that's what Halo 4 delivered on.
Halo 5 sadly dropped the ball, and I worry that Halo Infinite is going to do the same thing in that regard.
inner basin
By drop the ball, I assume you mean Chief’s character development being the ball?
jolly furnace
I just hope Hinf isn't basically a CE rehash
I don't want it to be the SW EP 9 of Halo
limpid meadow
Character development, but also introducing a massive threat in the Created.
inner basin
Yeah, I can agree with you on that
jolly furnace
Created could have been better if it hadn't come outta nowhere
limpid meadow
I wanted to continue the more personal story started in Halo 4 and exploring what it means to inherit the Mantle.
I worry that's going to disappear now 😦
inner basin
They’ll be throwing away a good plot too. Kinda ties Halo up in a bow tie when you think about it
edgy radish
I just want it to be like the Avengers
There are so many great characters
I want Laskey, Palmer, Osiris, Majesric, Crimson, to all show up
I wanna see Blue Team and the Arbitor
inner basin
The only issue with that is there are too many characters for one game. There isn’t enough time to flesh them all out, Dub
edgy radish
Oh I know, cameos work though 😎
jolly furnace
Aye I wanted MC's growth to continue and for his conflict with Didact to continue
edgy radish
Like a mission where you fight alongside Majestic and Crimson
jolly furnace
I mean Didact was said to be his first real nemesis prior to 4 coming out
edgy radish
I just don’t want them to cancel Locke. It’s not his fault 5 wasn’t what was promised, but I liked his character
inner basin
Yeah cameos would be fine, but in terms of screen time, keep it to the inner circle. Lasky, Palmer, maybe Locke and only a few others need to be there
jolly furnace
Do crimson count as they were literally player characters
edgy radish
The Didact is a bad dude
I feel like they do
Since I know Nobile 6 was mentioned in other games
And he was the player character for Reach
jolly furnace
I liked Locke but i think he was better in Nightfall.
inner basin
Do crimson count as they were literally player characters
Crimson do have specific armour sets so you can just see them fighting and that’s it. There canon armour sets are the MegaBlox sets
jolly furnace
Yeah but 6 spoke at least. Crimson were silent characters
edgy radish
Osiris was a great team. I really liked them as a unit, but the story just wasn’t what was promised and that’s why the game fell off for me
versed helm
Here's a hot take, Stacker is an underrated character.
edgy radish
The best part about 5 was the trailer
inner basin
I like Stacker. I really want to see him don that ODST BDU again (like A Day to the Beach cutscene)
jolly furnace
I liked Majestic in the end once they proved they were a competent badass team
Sad DeMarco died in a comic
inner basin
He’s a new character
versed helm
Echo 216.
jolly furnace
But that was 343i showing they weren;t afriad to kill characters off in comics
edgy radish
I’m a father and when that holoclip started playing it hit me in the feels
inner basin
But that was 343i showing they weren;t afriad to kill characters off in comics
@jolly furnace Remember Team Black?
versed helm
His family are probably dead.
inner basin
I still hate The Next 72 Hours story arc
edgy radish
Oh that would really hit in the feels
jolly furnace
Yes @inner basin 343i killing them off and DeMarco was their ways of showin they were willin to kill named characters in comics or books
edgy radish
I hope he’s a constant character, like chiefs pilot or something
inner basin
So Foehammer reincarnation (basically)?
versed helm
It could be a case of him missing his family, or him really missing his family. If you understand what I mean.
inner basin
That kind of reminds me of the Spartan-III candidates. They really miss their families
inner basin
If that does happen at the start, I’ve lost all faith in 343’s story writers
jolly furnace
I mean if this game doesn't deliver for me Im pretty much done with emotional investment in Halo's story i think. Halo 7 tops if that doesn't deliver for me
Im goin in with no expectations this time
Didn't UNSC/SOS have a fleet at Zeta Halo 24/7?
There's several inconsistencies regarding Zeta Halo in lore
limpid meadow
Humanity did discover Installation 07's location and had a scientific outpost setup.
The whole "SoS glassing it of Flood" I don't think is considered canon. It was from a Catalog post and it was dubious to begin with.
jolly furnace
So then that means Flood are still on the ring
I'd have to get the page in regards to the inconsistancies
inner basin
The whole "SoS glassing it of Flood" I don't think is considered canon. It was from a Catalog post and it was dubious to begin with.
I always think of this as a mistake and it was meant to say Installation-05 instead
jolly furnace
According to a statement by Catalog on the Halo Waypoint forums, the Swords of Sanghelios had implemented containment and sterilization protocols within possible Flood infected zones on the installation as of 2558; after the Swords of Sanghelios informed the UNSC of its containment efforts, human and Sangheili naval forces began monitoring the installation, ensuring the Flood did not escape. (Catalog Interaction, page 48) This statement is of dubious accuracy in light of information from Halo: Hunters in the Dark, which gives no indication of an ongoing Sangheili quarantine of Installation 07 as of 2555; instead, the Halo is depicted as having been discovered by the UNSC and remaining under ONI control, making the notion of the Swords informing the UNSC of their containment efforts distinctly out of place. Furthermore, no conspicuous Flood infection is described as being present on the installation in Hunters in the Dark. It is possible that Catalog's statement was instead meant to refer to Installation 05, which was known to be under quarantine by the Sangheili since the Great Schism, or was simply ignored and overridden during the writing process of Hunters in the Dark.
There it is.
Here's a minor one in forerunner saga - In Halo: Primordium, while explaining what has gone on to Chakas, Genemender-Folder-of-Fortune tells him that Installation 07 was used to sterilize Janjur Qom. However, this contradicts Halo: Cryptum where Bornstellar realizes that Faber has lost a Halo. Furthermore, on page 275 of Cryptum, the Halo in the San'Shyuum home system is specifically identified as a second installation.
And as much as I'd love to see Mendicant Bias, there is no logical reason for forerunners to leave any part of him on that ring after it was retaken by them
also the risk of someone reactivating him or flood doing it an taking control of that ring would be there if they did
inner basin
Mendicant Bias is still active. You know that right? He was contacting us during Halo 3 through the terminals
terse lava
jolly furnace
Yah on the Ark maybe
in that tomb of his
There logically should be no fragment of him on Zeta Halo though
inner basin
Yea...during halo 3
We dont know if he still lives now
@terse lava Well what’s to say he died? For characters like Mendicant Bias, you assume to be alive until proven otherwise by new entries to the lore
There logically should be no fragment of him on Zeta Halo though
@jolly furnace I wasn’t saying he was on Zeta Halo, but from your previous messages, I thought you were saying he was deactivated
jolly furnace
No
inner basin
Okay well at least that’s flattened out
jolly furnace
I just think the forerunners would have removed any fragment of him from that ring after it was retaken
jolly furnace
167 days before May 28 2560 is
13 December 2559
unique rune
Hm. Well it looks like the Infinity's done for.
Not sure how I feel about that.
jolly furnace
not happy if true
unique rune
Auditorium... Harbinger... hrm.
Those sound... new.
west silo
Grapple hook baby
edgy radish
Bro I can’t do general chat, so many cry babies. The game looked like a lot of fun and I thought it looked awesome
jolly furnace
Auditorium is a meeting place i think
unique rune
I'd imagine the Auditorium is some structure on the ring.
jolly furnace
Yah
Maybe its a forerunner meeting place
Or where Primordial chatted with Mendicant bias at times
gilded mason
So...is it actually open world? It seemed like it based on that map, but...
unique rune
I think it’s supposed to be?
gilded mason
=/
jolly furnace
Seems to be
gilded mason
Not sure how I feel about that
clear sparrow
Man I really wish we got litteraly any story details at all other than. "Monkey bad, shoot him."
But the hook looks super fun at least.
clear sparrow
Still not much of a hook
cyan thunder
So I'm assuming this channel is a little less obsessed with graphics, and more about what's actually going on in the game?
With that in mind any guesses as to who the harbinger is? Or what happened to the Created
unique rune
I would think the Created are still around. Would be weird if they just disappeared.
cyan thunder
I think it could be a the created under a new title
cyan thunder
Dandelion that's a good suggestion re precursors
jolly furnace
Im just throwin out guesses
cyan thunder
Of course that's all we can do
proper pumice
I would imagine the harbinger is the created
clear sparrow
If the created have just been written out of existancevoffscreen I will be majorly disappointed as it would mean 343 has learned nothing
cyan thunder
Precursors would be cool but for those who haven't read the books or up to date with halo lore it would probably be a challenge introducing them
The created are such an interesting idea it will be such a shame if they've been written out
proper pumice
Yeah I hope they don't off the created so easily.
west silo
Probably saving them for later in the campaign
gilded mason
The Waypoint article says that the story picks up from H5, so I imagine so
cyan thunder
It does but also shadows of reach takes place between as does halo wars 2.
proper pumice
looks like the infinity is probably dead now
west silo
It does but also shadows of reach takes place between as does halo wars 2.
@cyan thunder
They did say it's not required to understand rhe story
cyan thunder
Wonder if it will explain what happened to Osiris and Blue team
I know Osiris is explained in Bad blood, but why is Chief not with Blue team
west silo
looks like the infinity is probably dead now
@proper pumice
Its what Probably damaged the ring
It does but also shadows of reach takes place between as does halo wars 2.
@cyan thunder
They did say it's not required to understand rhe story
vernal creek
Why does 343 feel the need to change huge story stuff offscreen. Like there’s no reason atriox should be just gone, and destroying infinity without any attention to it seems like a terrible idea
proper pumice
when chief is stood in the pelican and there is a hologram of all the human UNSC 'enforcements' they all come up with the word infinity
cyan thunder
I missed it saying infinity I'll have to rewatch
clear sparrow
The create> Why does 343 feel the need to change huge story stuff offscreen. Like there’s no reason atriox should be just gone, and destroying infinity without any attention to it seems like a terrible idea
@vernal creek
Atriox is not gone he's still where we saw him last on the Ark. Nobody in the Galaxy has had contact with him so of course he wouldn't be here.
That's like complaining about Chief not being in ODST
proper pumice
They need to pick a villain and stick with it
clever fable
My boy Ur-Didact got done dirty. 
clear sparrow
@proper pumice
dude.
How would they put Atriox here without butchering Halo Wars 2s continuity?
I do agree they should have stuck with the Didact from the start.
proper pumice
It didn't have to be Atriox, my point is they should not change the villain, the didact was a compelling character and could've easily been the villain of halo 5.
cyan thunder
They killed the didact in a comic
clever fable
"contained"
proper pumice
exactly, what's the point in doing that
humble yacht
Why are blue elites and brutes part of the banished? looks confusing when the banished don't have a consistent color scheme
they just look like old covenant
proper pumice
I'm pretty sure he could have fitted in Cortana's place quite easily
acoustic mountain
Do we have a idea who the red dude is
acoustic mountain
Who’s that
open sky
Anyone halo 5
humble yacht
the Brute featured in the Mega Bloks sets
open sky
Can’t find anybody
gaunt oakBOT
boreal ice
we think hyperious is mr. "chief fite me"
humble yacht
wrong channel @open sky
open sky
Oh
queen cedar
how did the banished come into existence?
unique rune
Atriox wasn't happy with the way he and his clan were treated under the Covenant
Rebelled and broke off, amassing resources and manpower along the way
humble yacht
Two things mentioned: The Auditorium and The Harbinger
gilded mason
probably Hyperius```
EscharumThe Auditorium is probably some facility on the ring that holds important meaning. The Harbinger, I'm guessing, is a person or entity
cyan thunder
Harbinger is an Achievement in Halo 5: Guardians. This achievement is obtained when The Breaking is completed on Legendary without the entire fireteam dying.
humble yacht
Oh so IGN names him
cyan thunder
Makes me wonder of it is a new name for the created
humble yacht
maybe Hyperius was a total red herring after all 
wouldn't mind that
I doubt the Created would change their name to Harbinger
two very different meanings
acoustic mountain
Who’s the pilot of the carrier
At the start
And the dude who rebooted master chief
acoustic mountain
So this is just a new story with new characters?
acoustic mountain
Why
cyan thunder
There's an IGN interview
gilded mason
The Waypoint article on the demo did as well
humble yacht
written
acoustic mountain
How bad is the interview
cyan thunder
I can't find this interview :/
unique rune
well uh
it does
since Halo 2 took place in 2552
humble yacht
it said "rampant cortana nowhere to be found", which makes it sound like they really are abandoning that plot thread
also when asked "why the banished", Crocker is like "cause they're cool and everyone likes them". which may have been a joke but I bet that's actually an underlying reason
crowdpleasing
unique rune
Infinite is... 2559-something...?
radiant sphinx
I assumed the Harbinger was a split covenant faction with the other species that have allied with the Banished
acoustic mountain
So who are the banished
gilded mason
which makes it sound like they really are abandoning that plot thread
I doubt it.
longtime fans will also pick up with the continuation of the events of Halo 5: Guardians and be rewarded with new mysteries to unravel.
humble yacht
infinite is 2560 according to the trailer
unique rune
Ah, right 2560
humble yacht
didn't the original discover hope trailer say the armor was last udpated 2561, tho?
radiant sphinx
Also I’m not sure if I heard correctly, but did the Pilot refer to the huge structure as the “Auditorium”
cyan thunder
So who are the banished
@acoustic mountain explained in halo wars 2
gilded mason
Yeah. Got retconned
humble yacht
smh
unique rune
Yeah, I thought that was kinda weird
acoustic mountain
It just seems weird
restive meadow
My brother was a bit confused, he isn’t that much into halo anymore. So I gave him like an understanding of what enemies he’s facing. I told him to watch the halo wars cutscenes and lore to understand
radiant sphinx
I never played HW2, only watched the cutscenes. They do a really good job of explaining everything
humble yacht
longtime fans will also pick up with the continuation of the events of Halo 5: Guardians and be rewarded with new mysteries to unravel.
this doesn't sound to me like confirmation that it will directly continue plot threads of H5, or focus on them heavily. I worry they'll be mentioned off-handedly in a way that explains them away and sidelining them
cyan thunder
I never played HW2, only watched the cutscenes. They do a really good job of explaining everything
Gameplay doesn't add much else
clear sparrow
If this is actually the direction they are taking then I'm just going to call every thing after Halo 4 ended non-canon fanfiction.
humble yacht
lol, you don't get to make that call but hey, if that's the reality you want to live in...
cyan thunder
If this is actually the direction they are taking then I'm just going to call every thing after Halo 4 ended non-canon fanfiction.
Why?
restive meadow
I been a long time fan , I have halo CE, 2, 3 + ODST, 4 and 5 but not the halo wars games
clear sparrow
If people are gonna dunk of the Star Wars sequel trilogy for supposedly being utterly directionless then I don't even know what to call this mess of dropped story threads.
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cyan thunder
The halo wars games are ok, but not crucial
Someone else said the watch the cutscenes on youtube, it does a good enough job
unique rune
I'm guessing Escharum's name is derived from 'eschar/eschara'... which seems to be... essentially a piece of necrotic tissue associated with a variety of injuries, mainly burns...?
humble yacht
finished product isn't out yet so maybe there is hope, but yeah if they don't properly address H5 and drop those threads then for me, I'll probably be done with the series
i like narrative consistency
proper pumice
How can they just drop a major character like that
restive meadow
I’m looking forward to fighting the the banished with my Reach AR
versed helm
What happened with the Created, lore wise
humble yacht
we don't know
versed helm
Oof
humble yacht
last we saw in H5, they were taking over the galaxy
versed helm
The Banished were in the Ark, right?
proper pumice
all of chiefs 'development' with Cortana and it is just being pushed under the rug
cyan thunder
I also want to know how the UNSC lost to the banished
radiant sphinx
New teaser just released
versed helm
I think the Banished beat the created
humble yacht
banished were on the ark, yes
radiant sphinx
BR takes on the Halo 2 design
humble yacht
but not necessarily all banished
versed helm
Because the Created also had a frickton if old covenant species
humble yacht
though tbh we have no idea whether the ark situation was resolved before Infinite
restive meadow
I can’t imagine seeing the flood in halo infinite. Because I think the forerunners are probably most like gonna kill them. Maybe we might have to ally with the flood to purge cortana’s forces
humble yacht
The Created got the grunts of Bahalo to bow to them
but it's not like the Grunts in teh banished joined the Created
proper pumice
we're on a halo, there has gotta be flood
clear sparrow
"Wow Halo 4 was such a great story, I wonder how we will continue with the dicact and the forerunner legacy and Chief's development"
"lol nope here's Terminator 3 out of nowhere, AIs take over the Galaxy"
"Uh, okay. So how does this end? Does it tie back Into 4?"
"Lol who cares, Monkey bad, shoot him now"
restive meadow
I’m hoping the flood returns, I want to see new flood forms like the grabber flood thing from halo wars 2
humble yacht
i hope the flood doesn't return, I feel they'd divert the story even more away from what came before
versed helm
This is how I want to see the Created situation explained
humble yacht
and it already seems like the Created are taking a backseat to the banished
versed helm
The Banished who were in the Ark used some forerunner technology to defeat the AI leadership of the Created, and have taken their covenant soldiers.
slim thorn
So the story takes place in Installation 09 I suppose? If so, maybe Chief will find Anders.
clear sparrow
No, every indication has been Zeta Halo
slim thorn
Considering the Banished was only step on Installation 09, it is most likely
versed helm
Is there even an installation 09
cyan thunder
Maybe the created don't know where this Halo is yet and will arrive mid to late game
slim thorn
There is
clear sparrow
Installation 09 is basically 04c
versed helm
There is, but this seems to take place in the Milky Way
So I suppose that it would be Zeta Halo
clear sparrow
And again all of the previous materials point to this being Zeta and not 09. Especially considering the created already have that one last we saw.
humble yacht
according to IGN, the new riot shotgun replaces the old shotgun
clear sparrow
:/
versed helm
It looks a lot like the Titanfal shotgun
humble yacht
i wonder if it's a newer weapon or an older one from back in the days of the insurrection
maybe it shoots beanbags
versed helm
What gun is that LMG thing
light kiln
The Vulkan definitely has Innie feels.
versed helm
What’s the vulkan
acoustic mountain
Semi auto rifle
It seems
Idk why ppl assume it’s a DMR
But it looks like a M4A1
humble yacht
one of the subdefinitions of Harbinger is forerunner, maybe this Harbinger is related to them
cedar surge
So that riot shotgun is a new unsc weapon?
feral perch
So Chimera, thoughts on the trailer?
clear sparrow
Considering the goal of the banished in Infonite seems to be bullyiy humanity for whatever reason, Harbinger may be composed Didact.
feral perch
I like that idea
clear sparrow
It may be an out of universe refference to the fact that Didact's voice actor is the same as Harbinger's from Mass Effect
humble yacht
So Chimera, thoughts on the trailer?
The actual gameplay: made me smile a bit, looks like it could be fun, don't care about bloom and crap like that, grapple was less offensive in practice than i expected but still gimmicky
the story: not much to go on but the lack of any and all presence of created still worries me, coupled with the IGN interview and I am still worried they're dropping the Created
versed helm
The reason the brute in the end of the demo looks like poo might be because it is in a holo call
Because brohammer looked fine
clear sparrow
If they drop the created I'm writing erotic Lucy B-901 fanfiction in protest.
cedar surge
Please no
cedar surge
Why was that elite no wearing banished colors?
versed helm
Old technology
And idk
The banished might not be as organized as the Covenant
To be honest it’s three unorganized factions fighting for galactic supremacy
clear sparrow
Canonically it's probably whatever armor they could get their hands on.
Gameplay it will probably serve the same purpose it always has; to show rank/strength
humble yacht
that would be bullcrap if true
versed helm
It might have just been an off-switch on Installation 09 or 00
clear sparrow
That would be immensely dumb
cedar surge
I think the guardians might have EMPd the unsc forces and that's why the banished could kill them all
humble yacht
I mean, the guardians would EMP the banished forces, too
clear sparrow
Think about that for two seconds:
An entire immaterial precursor Neural Physics construct containing basically the sum of all knowledge and some monkeys just find an off switch lying arround on a Halo ring that was just buillt.
humble yacht
the offswitch to the Domain would be at Maethrillian, if it were anywhere
clear sparrow
Not to mention how thematically and narratively garbage that would be.
versed helm
@humble yacht Yeah, but would their EMP reach outside the galaxy?
humble yacht
no but Banished fans say that not all banished went to the ark
clear sparrow
Which begs the question; are we going to Mæthrillian ever, especially considering the upcoming novel.
versed helm
Well, it's hard to communicate outside galaxies, I think
humble yacht
sure
but there's like almost 2 years between HW2 and Infinite, it's possible that the banished on the ark found a way off and that story gets concluded off screen
though that would be a disservice to HW fans
there are simply too many questions and not enough answers right now
clear sparrow
It better not get concluded offscreen
versed helm
So I do think that the Banished conscripted former Covenant, who were in the Created
But only if the Created had a downfall
@humble yacht If it did, hopefully they make HW2 DLC to conclude that
humble yacht
the only covenant species we knew joined the created were the grunts
versed helm
I thought Elites joined too, because in H5 there were also elites
clear sparrow
The Banished were considered a genuine threat to the covenant back during the war. They absolutely have way more than just the Ark forces.
versed helm
In the last level
clear sparrow
Those elites were just lost and confused
clear sparrow
They got trapped in Slipspace bubbles and ended up on Genesis
versed helm
Huh, I thought they were allied, Didn't know that
Being honest I haven't even played H5 in such a long time
clear sparrow
Halo 5 was a disaster and the created was quite possibly one of if the the absolute the worst direction they could have taken the ongoing narrative.
But far worse than that would be copping out for fan appeasement not giving it a propper follow up or conclusion.
I will lose all respect for the company's leadership if that's really where they are going.
Especially if it's in favor of yet another "stop alien from turning on Halo and also kill the flood" narrative for the fourth time
humble yacht
I would lose confidence in their ability to craft a cohesive narrative
and at that point couldn't see myself continuing to enjoy the franchise
like if they don't finish plots ever because of backlash then nothing is sacred
it would become a series of largely unrelated stories
clear sparrow
Imagine if because some people complained about Empire Strikes Back's ending, they decided to drop the empire in Return of The Jedi and have Zeon from Gundam as the new antagonists out of nowhere
And when that didn't work they pulled out the First Order.
humble yacht
Gundams have their own versions of lightsabers so... it kinda works 
imagine Luke lightsaber dueling with a Gundam
fair hazel
"Meanwhile, longtime fans will also pick up with the continuation of the events of Halo 5: Guardians and be rewarded with new mysteries to unravel."
humble yacht
continuation of events could be a simple as Chief asking "what about the created?" and pilot going "oh they're gone now"
they can say they'll continue the events but how they do that is important to me
proper pumice
versed helm
If Infinite is on 07
What happened to installation 09?
At the end of H5/HW2 it's instLlation 09, right?
The events of halo w2, is on which ring? 07?
proper pumice
somebody on twitter said at 25 seconds in, chiefs visor looks like medicant bias's reflection
halo wars 2 is on the ark? right
not 07
humble yacht
HW2 takes place on the Ark, yes
proper pumice
is installation 09 even a thing
humble yacht
fans call it Installation 04c. it's the ring that we see in Halo Wars 2
it's where we last saw Anders
proper pumice
yeah I thought so, the replacement for the replacement of 04, lol
clear sparrow
Why are people still asking about this being 09 when we have gotten Zeta Halo name drops for a year now.
cedar surge
That pelican from gameplay was able to take direct hits from AA cannons when in halo 2 a grazing hit was able to take it down
Has to be a new one
last anchor
Brohammers just that good a pilot.
Also we...saw a different AA gun in Halo 2.
That was something mounted on a Scarab so...
WAY more powerful.
and of course, the Scarab itself oneshots one Pelican but I mean its a SCARAB.
These new AA guns remind me more of the ones we see in the H2 demo. The ones on the beach in Outskirts
unique rune
Some of the new weapon names seem rather... odd.
VK78 Commando, MK50 Sidekick, COS48 Bulldog... don't really sound much like typical Halo weapon names.
Gives me more of a Titanfall vibe than anything.
carmine sleet
I'm fine with new weapon names. Mixes things up a little
last anchor
I get the feeling they arent standard UNSC weapons. More like civilian ordinance repurposed
Or possibly non-Misrah produced models.
unique rune
They just don't feel very consistent with the other weapon names we've gotten previously
The Bulldog has a Misriah emblem engraved on it so I doubt it's the latter
last anchor
The Sidekicks got something else for sure though, you can see it on the hand grip
humble yacht
the pistol looked alot more like a modern pistol than a halo pistol
kinda feels like the same way the rocket launcher changed in H5
the pistol frame has always been iconic to Halo, even if the gun itself has had varying usefulness across the games
versed helm
The scenery looks unfinished.
feral perch
The M6C and the Sidekick are pretty similar
west silo
Think so
clever fable
Any previous info on what that is, or is it something new?
radiant sphinx
Might be that huge structure seen in the promo
west silo
Most likely something new
feral perch
I think the Commando is the first basic rifle that isn’t a bull pup in Halo
versed helm
ik somebody was talking ab weapons and the br looks like halo 2 br
west silo
It is the halo 2 br
versed helm
looks beautiful
tbh i don't really like the hate the game is getting tbh. i understand there are flaws but i think this might be the best game we are getting from 343 so far.
radiant sphinx
People are acting like they’ve played it. This was an 8 minute demo of an unfinished game.
versed helm
thank you somebody who has a brain thank god LMFAO
clever fable
It really only looks like it's missing some lighting elements, or AO and the like. Like shadows aren't deep enough. I feel like that's something that will look better at launch.
radiant sphinx
For sure
versed helm
yeah and people are saying that it def doesn't look as good as the reveal trailer which is some facts. these last 4 months will most likely be finishing touches with graphics, multiplayer demo and bug fixes
radiant sphinx
I personally really like the art style. It’s a little cartoony, but gameplay over graphics has always been my mantra
versed helm
hmm yeah it lowkey has a feel of destiny and doom to it with the weapon designed and the movement but its change uk gotta roll w it
radiant sphinx
I just can’t get over how ungrateful everyone is. Nobody knows what they want. Someone was mad because the game is designed to be more open and claimed the community wants straightforward linear maps
Like ???
versed helm
yeah our community is amazing but not ALL of our community is great LOL
unique rune
the pistol looked alot more like a modern pistol than a halo pistol
To be fair, M6-series pistols also look like that when the trigger guard and smartlink module are removed.
radiant sphinx
@timber blade Pressed because we have different opinions huh?
versed helm
people will literally complain about everything. and my biggest thing is that all of these OG guys playing our holding it to the highest standard, treating it as if it should be as good as h3 or h2. but we needa understand 343 will never be bungie, and we gotta hold em to their own standards.
timber blade
speak for yourself?
versed helm
i don't think he's pressed
radiant sphinx
Me saying I enjoy the game isn’t exactly defending 343
timber blade
then how can i be when hes whining about criticism
did i say you defended 343
i dont think so
radiant sphinx
“Yeah, like people who defend 343”
timber blade
unless you saw it as it
radiant sphinx
We’re you not referring to me?
radiant sphinx
Alright then, my mistake
steep bridge
game looks great
versed helm
i just got warning #1 for saying brass but without the br
radiant sphinx
Yeah, can’t really curse in here
versed helm
well i was gonna say its better than than garbage game h5 the campaign was terrible
timber blade
for sure
but bro
the lighting
makes 0 sense
art style is great
but graphics are so bad
unfinished
west silo
Anyone else notice that slide is still in
versed helm
im sure the lighting will be fixed up, and hopefully this wasn't a demonstration of the final product of the game engine. im sure they still r working out the kinks since its a new game engine of its own
unique rune
but graphics are so bad
unfinished
Y'know it's almost as if what they showed was just a demo
steep bridge
wow graphics in an unfinished game look unfinished who'd a thunk it
timber blade
wow
yeah they'll definitely fix it in the uhhh
3 months they have left?
maybe 4 if optimistic?
with the virus cripple?
steep bridge
yes, they will because the game hasn't gone gold. it'd be sweet if people understood how finishing works on a game
radiant sphinx
We’re months away from release, graphical improvements can be made relatively quickly when you consider changes can be applied to textures all at once
radiant sphinx
It’s unfinished
versed helm
hey guys
timber blade
its not the only issue in the game they are working on is it?
steep bridge
looks at avatar uhuh
radiant sphinx
It sure is
timber blade
can i get some games that looked this bad when showed off
by big
triple A studios
maybe a sony example?
steep bridge
can I get less obvious trolls in discord?
steep bridge
no, I take one look at your avatar and your discussion points and say troll
the game hasn't gone gold yet
timber blade
except you cant argue at all
steep bridge
the demo we saw was likely finished for june and is considerably different to what we will see on launch
radiant sphinx
Since you seem to be an expert, tell me some triple AAA games that looked this bad when shown off
timber blade
i cant remember any triple A game being showed off in a state like this
i cant
thats the issue?
are you reading the argument
humble yacht
To be fair, M6-series pistols also look like that when the trigger guard and smartlink module are removed.
I don't really see it that way. The Gunfighter mag looks like a Halo pistol without smart scope. the Infinite pistol looks like a Sig Sauer
cedar surge
Are you talking about the new gun
steep bridge
nah sticking with no leaks, don't want potential spoilers
cedar surge
The sidekick?
unique rune
Pretty sure discussion of leaks is against the rules here
versed helm
nah just had to switch topics cuz i can't sit and watch ppl argue over discord haha
wait
r u serious
cuz i posted leaks in general
oops
versed helm
LMFAO 343 if u see this plz don't gimme the boot im just a fellow spartan
cedar surge
Huh so the banished on the ark are wearing banished colors and armor while the banished in the gameplay where wearing original covenant colors
Wish they stuck to the color scheme of the banished so people don't call then covenant 2.0
humble yacht
Don't discuss leaks, real or fake
Covenant 2.0 was Jul's Covenant
banished are covenant 3.0
unique rune
Yeah, the varied Banished color schemes are kinda strange. Not really a fan of it.
humble yacht
even back when they were all red and spiky
cedar surge
I prefer the HW2 color scheme
Makes it so you can't confuse them for normal covenant
But it isn't the final version right?
Maybe they can change it
radiant sphinx
Perhaps they can
cedar surge
Or perhaps they are mercenaries
Working for the banished
Anyway I hope we get info on that grappling hook
And how that thing can pull a 1000 pound spartan
Did you guys see they put a new trailer for infinite?
It shows how the armor is made
timber blade
maybe the hook is carbon fiber
or maybe it doesnt have to make sense
unless you're the type of person who wants to FEEL LIKE A SUPER SOLDIER
cedar surge
Is that a jab at people who say that?
And in the gameplay trailer it showed that there was many other unsc forces with them
But they are dead
timber blade
yes
because its funny whenever anyone says that
because it almost always makes no sense
cedar surge
The infinity is obviously not at the ring
radiant sphinx
It doesn’t have to make sense, it’s a game
cedar surge
Before halo 4 and 5 did any spartan actually flew up in the air and slam onto their enemies?
fair hazel
@versed helm no leaks real or fake
timber blade
the amount of propulsion to lift a ton weighing super soldier
and you're fitting that into a suit
and then fuel comes into play
it falls apart
cedar surge
Well I'm reach we had jet packs
fair hazel
grapling hook type things have been used in halo before
humble yacht
Or perhaps they are mercenaries
The banished are already a mercenary faction, and the Silent Shadow who joined got Banished-themed armor
cedar surge
Maybe atriox took his best outfitted forces?
humble yacht
We haven't seen blue elites and brutes like that since the original Covenant
cedar surge
Yea I wish they had the banished armor
Though the gameplay could have been months ago
343 released a new infinite trailer
Showing how the new armor is made
It looks like it was made in a station
west silo
Not to sure but heard that the grapple hook is not going to be in multiplayer
@cedar surge
It's going to be like equipment pickup in multiplayer
humble yacht
That mjolnir construction video was weird
timber blade
multiplayers gonna have an insane amount of variety
also peep the profile pic
unfinished boys 😎
like non sprint playlists
cedar surge
Now I thinking why the guardians wouldn't have stopped the construction of the armor
humble yacht
seems to be at odds with how GEN1 Mjolnir was made but the halsey voiceover makes me question whether it's GEN3
west silo
Didn't know where it was
humble yacht
Now I thinking why the guardians wouldn't have stopped the construction of the armor
If it is indeed GEN3 armor then it probably wasn't constructed at earth
cedar surge
Going by the tether it looks like its part of a orbital elevator
So it looks like the unsc still has some power left
west silo
Seems like chief is going to have some sort of electric ability
radiant sphinx
Getting Infinity War vibes by the whole “we lost” sentiment
Thanos altered the lore
west silo
Bioshock here we come
cedar surge
It also looks like we can throw fuel cans
fair hazel
grappling rounds
opal birch
I'm all about grabbing fusion coils and yeeting them at enemies
west silo
It also looks like we can throw fuel cans
@cedar surge
I hope to throw grunts aswell
humble yacht
Seems like they're not jumping and were thrown by brutes in the background
west silo
Ey those plasma grunts that can jump at you
@cedar surge
Actually it's brutes throw them at u
cedar surge
Maybe we could expect guerrilla warfare on zeta halo like the unsc did in CE
Just with
A lot more casualties
And it looks like the brutes got their own plasma rifle
Do you think they made it or stole it?
cedar surge
It looks like chief and the pilot arnt the only unsc left on the ring
A person saw that their was a save marines marker
When we see the map
I hope the flood don't come back
Every time they come it always turn the plot about them
jolly furnace
So I read them say MC is leaning more toward strong silent type in this game
I hope we don't go back to silent protagonist during gameplay
cedar surge
Well we can't exactly judge that now
The chief only talked to The pilot in that scene and he had no one to talk to while fighting the banished
humble yacht
The article says they're leaning towards strong silent chief but then immediately after says they want chief to have emotional core that requires speech
Sounds like an oxymoron
if i had to guess, I'd say it means chief won't talk during gameplay
limpid meadow
Yep
jolly furnace
Yeah see i liked him talkin in 4 during gameplay
Also if Infinity is really destroyed, that's a point lost from me on this game
humble yacht
In H4 and H5, talking during gameplay made sense because he had people right there to talk to
whereas in CE it was like Cortana was talking at you most of the time, rather than with you
but in Infinite, there is no AI in Chief's head and no squad at his side
unless Pilot is going to be super chatty over radio
jolly furnace
I would hope brohammer is chatty
I dont want slience all game
or only dialogue in cutscenes
fair hazel
He seems like a very interesting character
He really doesn’t what to be there anymore
jolly furnace
He kinda annoyed me in that trailer
I know he's frustrated but he kinda annoyed me at the start
im sure il love him by game end
humble yacht
it's because we haven't seen what he's gone through to reach that level of frustration
so to us he just looks like a whiner
cedar surge
Well I don't blame the pilot
humble yacht
but it's several hours into the game so when we play, i'm sure we'll understand what has Pilot so pissed
cedar surge
According to the trailer a lot of unsc died
And he just wants to go home to his family
jolly furnace
Yeah i wanna know how this brute beat humanity
humble yacht
well yeah we knew that already. But between the opening of the game and that demo, lot's of stuff appears to have happened instead of him going home
radiant sphinx
The dude has a kid and a wife back home. Imagine you find humanity’s greatest hero and he makes you tag along on a quest to defeat an extremely dangerous alien faction. I’d be pretty peeved.
cedar surge
Well according to the armor trailer
There are still unsc
He must be so done
Fighting the prometheans,created and banished
humble yacht
the armor trailer appears to take place nowhere near the ring
humble yacht
when the pilot says "we lost", pretty sure he means the UNSC at the ring, not necessarily everywhere
Escharum too
i highly doubt that chief and Pilot are the last humans alive ever
cedar surge
We accordibg to the trailer its been over 150 days since "they lost"
humble yacht
it's not his name tho
radiant sphinx
Chief and pilot are tasked with universal repopulation
radiant sphinx
His name is literally Escharum
humble yacht
k, as long as you know you're wrong
finite marlin
what is the harbinger
humble yacht
Es-kar-um
cedar surge
I hope banished and unsc HW2 units come over to infinite
humble yacht
Hopefully Hyperius is just a big red herring that only is in the toys
radiant sphinx
It’s literally confirmed
humble yacht
but he didn't have locke's helmet on his shoulder
jolly furnace
Oh thats how his name is pronounced
humble yacht
he can't be hyperius the locke killer
humble yacht
yea
jolly furnace
hmm
lets hope he lives
and are we gettin DLC from now on
instead of new full games
?
I thought I heard something along those lines implied from the guys after gameplay reveal
humble yacht
So what they said was that infinite will be built upon with new story content
not to the degree of Destiny, but it's a framework for updates
we'll have to wait and see what that means in practice
edgy radish
So I feel like they’re going to open up new areas of the Ring.
But I’m curious about the size. Cause they said bigger than both Halo 4 & 5.
Which for linear games really makes me wonder.
humble yacht
What if The Harbinger is what Escharum calls I07’s monitor?
Or whatever installation they end up being at
jolly furnace
07's Monitor wants to honor the will of Atriox?
delicate jackal
Can someone explain what’s happen between Halo 5 and the Infinite Trailer? Trying to figure out how they are gonna bring Cortana and the Guardians in to play with the Banished as the new enemy...
delicate jackal
Someone on a Facebook post said there were books about it 🤷♂️ I haven’t read any of them since highschool tho so rip
Really hoping they don’t just completely ignore the H5 campaign story. As bad as it was I’d hate to have that story just end there and then start a new one from scratch
jolly furnace
only book between 5 and infinite is shadow of reach
jolly furnace
whats the other
delicate jackal
What happen in it @cedar surge ?
cedar surge
Well buck gets alpha nine back together across unsc space
And we see how the created are taking over the galaxy
The grunts have allied with the created
Thousands of AId have turned traitors
On and
cedar surge
The created killed ambassadors
versed helm
Then rookie got captured
delicate jackal
Does it talk anything about the ring or Banished in Infinite? Or how The UNSC apparently loses? Sorry for questions I just know I’m not gonna go read it
cedar surge
No
versed helm
My bad I thought you were talking about new blood
delicate jackal
Well, hopefully the first part of the campaign brings them together
humble yacht
@delicate jackal that stuff probably gets revealed in the game
cedar surge
It goes what a week after halo 5?
Shadows of reach will likely clear it up
Which comes in October
humble yacht
SoR is in a weird spot because the waypoint article of Infinite says the game will be the first time Chief fights the banished
delicate jackal
I didn’t like the overall story of H5, but if they get rid of the characters like Lasky and the Infinity Imma be upset ngl
humble yacht
But SoR says a mysterious alien threat will fight him on reach
An alien threat with covenant Seraphs
cedar surge
Well the covenant is splintered
Of course the banished is gonna scavage some seraphs
humble yacht
I don’t think Harbinger is covenant related
delicate jackal
What’s Harbinger?
humble yacht
Possible but it would be weird for another splinter splinter group to show up in the current climate of halo
cedar surge
Well whatcovenant faction wouldn't go to the biggest battlefield of the war
Salvage ripe for the picking
With likely hundreds of thousands to millions of weapons,armor,vehicles and some damaged ships
You know what would be cool?
humble yacht
Cryo grenade
cedar surge
If we saw the banished making brute styled ships
Using brute designs before they nuked themselves
Maybe even using wreckage from the war
Like covenant and unsc ships glued together
humble yacht
I don’t think that’s how ships work
cedar surge
I warships glued together with actual glue and work
Is that to much to ask of brutes?
We see they can be smart
humble yacht
There aren’t enough horses in the future to make enough glue
humble yacht
Cortana shut down all flash cloning facilities
cedar surge
When?
Oh wait
Guardian attack
Yea
Could have osiris stopped the created by slipspace bombing the guardians?
We don't know where they even go
humble yacht
Guardian probably wouldn’t let a slipspace bomb get close enough
humble yacht
Yes
cedar surge
Sentinals?
humble yacht
No
cedar surge
Point defense
humble yacht
Some sort of anti-ship laser system