and they many
#lore-and-universe
humble yacht
corrupt, sure, but I don't think that's tied to propagation explicitly
jolly furnace
I do
humble yacht
agree to disagree then
jolly furnace
we may never know
we'll have to ask grim or someone
propagate means to spread
disseminate
humble yacht
i know the definition
humble yacht
k
jolly furnace
everthing the flood does is for the purpose of spreading itself across... well everywhere
Lets hope it dont get that far
Otherwise we'll end up with a Cancerverse in Halo
humble yacht
I can see you're a flood fan
craggy sierra
everthing the flood does is for the purpose of spreading itself across... well everywhere
Tbh this is kinda why I’m not a flood fan.
versed helm
Too overpowered for my liking, and they are not fun to fight against in-game.
humble yacht
I preferred the flood when it was just a misunderstood organism living it's best life, just looking for its next meal
craggy sierra
So for like only CE?
humble yacht
nah even in H3 it was still like that
marsh tusk
flood were pretty cool in-game and with the games lore + some stuff from the first forerunner saga book imo
craggy sierra
H2 and H3 was what kicked off the concept that the flood are just looking to eat the entire universe
humble yacht
the greg bear trilogy is when I really stopped liking the flood
that's when they became too OP, not to mention a standard evil villain
marsh tusk
greg bear? which ones were those?
humble yacht
Cryptum, Silentium, Primordium
humble yacht
i was fine with the forerunner history but the precursor stuff was ludicrous and where i really lose interest
jolly furnace
Forerunner saga is excellent
especially silentium
U dunno even need to know what Halo is to read them
they can stand alone
as sci-fi novels
precursor stuff is awesome to me
ALso for all we know it was in bungie's bible
humble yacht
all that bungie wrote about them was that they were technologically more advanced that the forerunners
which is fine, but i don't like how far Greg Bear took them
fair hazel
The forerunner saga was wow and mindblowing and incredible
Greg bear has done a stellar and fantastic job.
fair hazel
He has talent.
humble yacht
Well I wasn't calling him talentless
I was saying I don't like an aspect of where he took the story
jolly furnace
we dont know what bungie had in its bible regarding precursors
for all we know there was more t
and the chose not to add it
and greg wrote the thing
the forerunner saga
i mean
343i okayed what he wrote
and we dunno how much of precursor stuff was his ideas
or 343i
so lets not blame bear for it without knowing
humble yacht
If bungie had the god-mode precursor powers in the halo bible then I'd like to think they didn't include it in the games and lore because they saw issues that would cause
humble yacht
and I will blame Greg Bear if I gosh darn want to 🙂
jolly furnace
343i hasnt put them in games either
flood dont count
as they aint at god-level power in games
and likely never will be
cos silentium flood would utterly break modern halo setting
modern races would have no chance
fair hazel
I don’t really care about what bungie thought back then to be honest. Mostly what they laid out.
humble yacht
Bungie laid out this nice duality for the forerunners where the Covenant regarded them as gods, but thanks to our journey we learn they were anything but, and actually quite fallible (to the point where they went extinct). I love that juxtaposition of having vast power while still being incredibly vulnerable
humble yacht
no idea
carmine sleet
Hornets are still being used, Wasps are meant to support the Hornets still in service
cedar surge
So we could see wasps and hornets working together?
humble yacht
anything's possible
if you mean in Infinite, i doubt it
their in game roles are too similar
versed helm
The possibilities are infinite. 
jolly furnace
I wonder if the title will actually mean anything in the game
humble yacht
probably will be tied to some narrative aspect
jolly furnace
Im expecting the Infinite machine or device to show up somewhere
humble yacht
like Bioshock Infinite
west silo
Marathon infinite
humble yacht
Infinity*
vague scroll
the domain is essentially Infinite 😛
humble yacht
questionable
versed helm
Infinite Seeker variants.
vague scroll
joking joking
versed helm
Not this time. 
west silo
Aren't the precursors older than the universe if we go by how old the domain is
humble yacht
um
we don't know how old they are, only that they seeded galaxies with life
i doubt they predate the universe, but tbh at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled that
fair hazel
perhaps they came before the universe and what we know as precursors are those that were in this universe
humble yacht
maybe the haloverse is cyclical and the precursors are the final evolution of humanity before restarting the same events over again
craggy sierra
Are the precursors reapers?
cedar surge
You guys think we will see a new forerunner construct like the ark in halo 3?
craggy sierra
Just on a longer time scale?
craggy sierra
yes
jolly furnace
It's hinted the Precursors may be older then our universe. Its not confirmed or denied
craggy sierra
aaaaaaaaaaaand it's better if it stays that way tbh
cedar surge
Some things should just not be answered
jolly furnace
either way they are billions of years old so there's too much history there to go through
frozen sphinx
quick lore question
Why Halo:CE energy swords become unusable after elites die but in every other entry they don't?
earnest sandal
hmm
carmine sleet
It's a failsafe that some energy swords have
last anchor
Depends on the manufacturor
frozen sphinx
I know it's a design decision in every other entry, but why only in that game?
last anchor
Probably whoever worked with Thel on the Fleet of Particular Justice.
frozen sphinx
...I regret that asked
last anchor
My dude, this is not a simple question.
Welcome...to THE HOLE
dusk imp
Well, it's not exactly a lore thing, Bungie didn't think of the idea of picking up the energy swords, because they wanted it to be too mysterious, it it became a weapon in Halo 2 forward, because the Arbiter was introduced, and they seen the opportunity
frozen sphinx
...well, at least Red Vs. Blue doesn't have more books than games
versed helm
they have zero games, so technically they do
frozen sphinx
Well, it's not exactly a lore thing, Bungie didn't think of the idea of picking up the energy swords, because they wanted it to be too mysterious, it it became a weapon in Halo 2 forward, because the Arbiter was introduced, and they seen the opportunity
@dusk imp ...just realised that my question is dumb and would be the same with Wraiths, for example
carmine sleet
Aye, there was that book they released the other year for RvB
frozen sphinx
...well
carmine sleet
...just realised that my question is dumb and would be the same with Wraiths, for example
Your question wasn't dumb, it's a valid question to ask
frozen sphinx
Great. Now my show on sexual relationships between Doc and Grif's sister just become more complicated
dusk imp
It would be the same answer, they didn't want chief to know Everything in the game, they kept it mysterious
frozen sphinx
except that one cave
"This cave is not a natural formation. It was built, so it has to lead somewhere"
humble yacht
Cortana has never seen a cul de sac
frozen sphinx
guess I'll just have to treat the series as "some amazing and some terrible missions linked together to provide entertaiment" rather than "an epic story in the great universe"
humble yacht
Introduce her to Ed, Edd, and Eddy
frozen sphinx
"These kids do not look natural. They must be infected with something...Flood?"
...also, another question while I am here.
Why did we stop the Truth from firing the rings in 3 because it would kill everything, and then turning another ring on and killing nearly every Flood, but with no cost of human lives?
gilded mason
Because the Ark was outside the galaxy, and thus this new ring was too.
So firing this one ring would only effect what was on the Ark
frozen sphinx
thanks for this question too, I guess I should stop learning Halo lore
but on the other hand, Destiny lore is way worse and lamer at once
gilded mason
I guess I should stop learning Halo lore
Why? Continue asking questions. It's good to be curious
frozen sphinx
in Destiny we literally protect the white ball from the black pyramids
carmine sleet
That's just an oversimplification of Destiny's lore
frozen sphinx
no, but seriously, every single time I think I am fine with the lore, and then I ask for one small thing and my understanding gets turned by 180 degrees
carmine sleet
And misses out on things like the Books of Sorrow, the saga of the Last Word and Thorn. Everything to with the Fallen and how they ended up where they are and countless other stories within Destiny's lore
frozen sphinx
see, that's the lore I am talking about.
when something is supposed to be simple and then gets the ancient history of the other races involved and all of that
I have played Destiny 2 for 700 hours or so, I know what I'm talking about.
Destiny too, but for a significantly less.
humble yacht
The way guilty spark described the plan in H3, it sounded like the ring could be set to fire singularly rather than triggering the whole array
frozen sphinx
And Halo...Halo is just a Star Wars of games
humble yacht
We also saw this back in the Forerunner Flood war when MB took I07 to Maethrillian and fired it there without triggering the rest of the array
frozen sphinx
if that is the case
why did they make 12 rings instead of one, if it could the exact same thing with not that much cost of lives?
carmine sleet
One ring wouldn't cover the entire galaxy
frozen sphinx
and why the 5 original rings didn't got replaced for the hundred thousand years, but the "Instalation 04" got replaced only after a few years or so?
carmine sleet
The original array contained 12, but was replaced by the newer array of 7, with all but one of the original array being destroyed
frozen sphinx
dunno how many years pass between the end of Halo:CE and the end of Covenant in Halo 3
humble yacht
1
carmine sleet
The one that wasn't destroyed was incorporated into the current array as Installation 07
frozen sphinx
they upgraded them so that they would cover a larger area of space?
humble yacht
No
frozen sphinx
so why only 7 and not 12?
humble yacht
Every ring has the same radius of effect
carmine sleet
It's not even a year between CE and 3, like, it was the space of a few months
humble yacht
5 of the 12 rings were destroyed
carmine sleet
so why only 7 and not 12?
Bungie loved the number 7
frozen sphinx
It's not even a year between CE and 3, like, it was the space of a few months
@carmine sleet good to know, I just didn't know how much was between CE and 2 personally
I sure can see
I only know the ring thing because I just got all of the terminals in Halo: CEA
versed helm
H3 took up a good chunk of those months though. the 3 months during the cutscene between Floodgate and The Ark
frozen sphinx
and it said "From the original 12 rings, 7 survived to now"
H3 took up a good chunk of those months though. the 3 months during the cutscene between Floodgate and The Ark
@versed helm didn't the portal took everyone right to the Ark?
versed helm
Yes. it took 3 months for them to get there
gilded mason
Slipspace travel takes a long time
frozen sphinx
...or whatever was that blue ball and how everyone knows its a portal, I thought it's just an anihilator
carmine sleet
Slipspace isn't instant
versed helm
if it'd have been human slipspace tech it'd have taken years most likely. Unsure on Covenant, but I'm sure someone has an approximation.
frozen sphinx
see, another dumb thing
gilded mason
Though it actually took slightly less than 1 month. Not 3.
frozen sphinx
Well, Covenant thing is surely advanced, everything except Wraiths.
humble yacht
Oh I’m sorry, do you have a better solution for FTL travel? 😛
gilded mason
Wraiths are very advanced as well
They vaporize everything in a 20 meter radius, ain't no joke
carmine sleet
see, another dumb thing
What? Slipspace not being instant?
frozen sphinx
The supersoldier trained from the child and with one of the best genes and luck in the whole human civilisation, is slightly less powerful that one elite with a rusty armor
gilded mason
Who?
frozen sphinx
They vaporize everything in a 20 meter radius, ain't no joke
@gilded mason yeah, but their bullets are curved and take ages to go to the place
gilded mason
That's gameplay
frozen sphinx
Who?
@gilded mason Master Chief/Arbiter comparason
carmine sleet
Arby's armour isn't rusty
frozen sphinx
it does
gilded mason
No?
tight shadow
Yea it's mostly clean
jolly furnace
It appears the most basic slipspace drive will take years to cross a galaxy of 100,000 ly
the fastest - 2 mins maybe
frozen sphinx
I believe that in the Arbiter level, the elite says "We have infinite cloaks, but your rusty armor is older model and it has it limited" or something, I dunno
jolly furnace
at full speed
frozen sphinx
would have to watch the cutscene
jolly furnace
and no slipspace debt
carmine sleet
In Halo 3, his armour looks bronze but it is definitely not rusty
gilded mason
No. They said "Your armor is not as new as ours, your camo will not last forever"
tight shadow
Yea.
frozen sphinx
No. They said "Your armor is not as new as ours, your camo will not last forever"
@gilded mason see, that's what I said
versed helm
ah, ok. it was 1 month, I got confused with some other events.
frozen sphinx
outdated armor elite as good as a new supersoldier with higly advance armor and picked from one of the best
tight shadow
The Arbiter armor has been around for years. There has been more than 1 Arbiter.
carmine sleet
I believe that in the Arbiter level, the elite says "We have infinite cloaks, but your rusty armor is older model and it has it limited" or something, I dunno
No. They said "Your armor is not as new as ours, your camo will not last forever"
Can confirm, different
The Arbiter armor has been around for years. There has been more than 1 Arbiter.
It's also unlikely that Thel's Arbiter armour is one worn by a previous Arbiter too, given that many more than likely never came back from their missions
frozen sphinx
lemme confirm it
carmine sleet
outdated armor elite as good as a new supersoldier with higly advance armor and picked from one of the best
Out of date for the Covenant is more advanced than high tech for the UNSC as of the end of the Human-Covenant War
gilded mason
^
frozen sphinx
exacly my point.
carmine sleet
Why is that a bad thing?
frozen sphinx
not a bad thing, just that it, like, the only gameplay element that shows how much weaker the UNSC is than Covenant
and maybe ghost/mongoose comparason
Warthogs are just better Spectres, Scorpions are just Wraiths
Phantoms/Pelicans
jolly furnace
UNSC's main disadvantage was in space
frozen sphinx
even in Reach, technically we would win if not the cutscenes and the lore that has to be filled
jolly furnace
Give USNC Tier 2 tech all around on ground and in space and equal size fleet and i think they'd have won the war quicker
UNSC did massive damage to covvies despite the overwhelming disadvantage at reach
gilded mason
You're basically saying "Make the UNSC better than they actually are, and they'll do better than they did." 😋
frozen sphinx
You're basically saying "Make the UNSC better than they actually are, and they'll do better than they did." 😋
@gilded mason guess I just can't explain myself
gilded mason
guess I just can't explain myself
Was talkin' to Dandelion
humble yacht
Pretty sure grunts alone dwarfed our whole population
frozen sphinx
see, another of my issues
Pretty sure grunts alone dwarfed our whole population
@humble yacht did you see how big the Grunts are in comparason to a typical marine?
humble yacht
You have an issue with an alien species being more populous than humans?
carmine sleet
What's wrong with there being more grunts than humans?
humble yacht
Grunts are not that much shorter than a normal human
humble yacht
And there’s more of them
carmine sleet
I'm still confused as to the issue here
jolly furnace
IF UNSC had Tier 2 tech equal to Covenant and equal size forces in troops and fleets, on top of their AI, they'd have won much quicker in the war I think
frozen sphinx
If you are not expecting bad things from it, you are about to get proved it
humble yacht
But they’re lack of intelligence compared to other races is why they were largely cannon fodder
Yea you aren’t really making sense, xela
frozen sphinx
...see, that's what happens if you don't sleep for 14 hours
and you aren't used to sleeping before the computer
bye then
gilded mason
Though you also need to take into account what the Covenant would do different with this new enemy. If they actually had to try harder, they'd put in more effort to put the UNSC down.
gilded mason
What I'm sayin' is: it wouldn't be all that clear cut
jolly furnace
I still tihnk they wreck each other
but UNSC
win
without help
from Elites
Question is do the flood come into it
Cos FLood getting tier 2 tech from both factions would be bad
gilded mason
Stuff
gilded mason
Nope
halcyon remnant
why not o:
gilded mason
They're stuck on the Ark
gilded mason
All detailed in HW2
carmine sleet
The Spirit of Fire has no slipspace drive thanks to the events of Halo Wars 1
gilded mason
^
halcyon remnant
oof
they used to destroy that planet right?
I mean I still think that the Ark is a area with a lot of movement
so a lot can happen
:/
humble yacht
What does “a lot of movement” mean?
humble yacht
The ark is important but not everyone knows where it is or is capable of getting there
The fact that it’s outside the galaxy means it’s really far from everything else
cedar surge
Plus if you don't use the earth portal it takes 7 months to get there by slipspace
And going by how we don't see a single unsc ship there the unsc or SoS did not keep a ship there for some reason
And you can't take the slipspace drive from the conviction cause either it's to damaged or it won't fit
And the SoF very well can't leave the banished on the ark alone
halcyon remnant
so how are they going to leave
carmine sleet
They can't
halcyon remnant
doomed to die there?
inner basin
Well not necessarily. The plan was for Anders on Installation-09 (the second replacement for Installation-04) to drop a beacon once the ring reached its destination. The beacon is to alert the UNSC to Anders’ position. Once they get there she would inform the UNSC that the SoF was locked in an engagement at the Ark with Atriox and the Banished, and so therefore send aid, but as we know, that didn’t exactly happen. One of Cortana’s Guardians intercepted the ring during transit
humble yacht
7 months according to who?
humble yacht
green has long been a military color
halcyon remnant
Carter uses Blue
humble yacht
probably because it's a commonly occuring color in nature and lends itself well to fatigues
yeah but carter had customized armor
standard issue mjolnir all seems to be green
cedar surge
@humble yacht waypoint
inner basin
Before Red Flag each Spartan-II was given green Mk. V Mjolnir armour
inner basin
No Mk. V. It entered service officially in November 2551 but it was given to all of the Spartan-IIs later, before Operation: Red Flag in 2552
Also Halsey doesn’t hate that people (assuming you’re referring to Jorge) customise her armour
cedar surge
Is it impossible for a spartan to swim?
Like can you add stuff to allow then to do it
Or are they too heavy
halcyon remnant
maybe too heavy :l
inner basin
I’m pretty sure they can swim fairly well, we just haven’t seen it in the games
halcyon remnant
or comics
cedar surge
Or books?
inner basin
No I think we have seen it in the comics, I just can’t remember which one it was in
halcyon remnant
I can't decide on a spartan collor that is lore friendly
inner basin
Any colour is lore friendly. Particularly if it’s in Halo 4 or onwards
humble yacht
btw why does Halsey hate that people customize the armor
Halsey designed MJOLNIR so naturally she'd consider her base design as perfect and not needed additional changes
i imagine she look at jorge modifying the armor as messing with perfection
halcyon remnant
oh
inner basin
I don’t think she would’ve liked it, but she wouldn’t of hated it either.
Hates a bit too of a strong word in terms of the context
inner basin
Going of her reaction, that would be pretty suitable
humble yacht
personal expression, getting to know their armor better, modifying to suit their personal roles/needs as they saw fit
there are plenty of potential reasons
halcyon remnant
hm
inner basin
Maybe if a Spartan requires lots of ammunition for their mission they bring things like a soft case to carry the extra magazines for their weapons
Or maybe they have storage on their chest plate to store the ammo. Point is it’s all about preference and their assignment
humble yacht
that's what I meant by personal roles/needs
inner basin
I just wanted to elaborate. Maybe use an example from Reach to explain the point more
humble yacht
some lore fans aren't fond of the modular nature of mjolnir that reach displayed, but I like it
inner basin
I’m a big fan of it. For the Spartans I created for my personal lore, I used the Reach armour.
versed helm
Reach’s security helmet just looks like a fat guy
It’s so ugly
And makes me very sad
Because halo 3’s was so beautiful
inner basin
I know people who love the Security helmet in Reach
inner basin
I wasn’t a big fan of it to begin with. I’m more of a basic helmet guy. My favourites are the Mk V[B], the Mk. V, Commando (the UA variant only), Mk. VI, and Gungnir. There are others I like but can’t think of them atm
versed helm
UA Commando was so gud 🤤
light kiln
Military Police all the way.
versed helm
My favorite armor is classic 2001 Mk V
Because CE Anniversary is so gross
Well... mostly
light kiln
Didn't the original have pouches?
versed helm
Chief looks like a dachshund or something in Anniversary
And yes it did
And the marines all look like fat pieces of ham with faces
inner basin
Personally I don’t mind CEA graphics. I never really grew up with CE so didn’t have nostalgia either
light kiln
Honestly, was just happy to have CEA to introduce my younger siblings since they really liked Reached.
Reach*
cedar surge
So the vulture is the unsc counterpart to the scarab?
radiant sphinx
Isn’t the vulture an aerial vehicle?
stiff creek
When it comes to destructive capability, the Vulture is the UNSC's counterpart to the Scarab.
But the Vulture only appears several times, so I'm just saying it the way I see it.
cedar surge
It only appeared seven times in the whole war or the amount of times we see it?
west silo
Amount of time we've seen it
inner basin
He means the amount of times it’s been seen in HW. Maybe in the battlefield it’s appeared other times that’s not included in the games, comics, or books, so hence we don’t see it
versed helm
Anyone else excited for halo shadow of reach to come out
limpid meadow
Extremely! The Banished being the likely enemy that's invaded Reach has me a little bummed, but only a little.
I'm excited for what Blue Team will be doing there and what they might find!
versed helm
Same here I want to know why chief went back to reach
gilded mason
I'm hoping Nizat and Tam somehow tie into it
versed helm
I think chief will find something in halsey lab l if her lab survived white glove
limpid meadow
I'm noping Nizat isn't in there. I want his storyline resolved in a proper sequel to Oblivion
inner basin
Well I have waited years for at least a word about Kevin-A282... Still not a peep sadly
I mean c'mon. The story is basically a freebie. Authors have a lot of creative freedom with Kevin
(But that's just my zealous Spartan-III fanboy speaking)
versed helm
I mean I’m still waiting for 343 to make fistful of arrows canon lol
rotund lintel
Yes! 
inner basin
Tbf I think they tried to but it just didn't work out, at least I think it was 343 who did unless it was Bungie and I'm just misremembering
versed helm
They did tried but still lol
inner basin
Yeah I understand your point. It is a cool story that fills in that plot of how Jun escaped Reach
obsidian thistle
Well fun fact. A soldier in AFoA with the same rank and name appears in the Fireteam Mechanic in MCC for Halo Reach ;) They added that in. ;)
Granted thats also a reference to our good man GrimbrotherOne ;)
inner basin
That definitely flew over my head
I'll have a look next time I play Halo Reach campaign. Is it guaranteed to happen or is it random?
obsidian thistle
Its random.
Here are all the names that can appear
So many its luck to get Grim
Only 1 name was cut.
inner basin
Is there any specific reason why?
Or is it known why would probably be a better question to ask
obsidian thistle
Why is not known. But its there for prosperity.
inner basin
I see. I think that's still a pretty cool and obscure detail
jolly furnace
I expect banished to be the foe before created show up
Only thing there is that feels like its just hitting same beats as HCE
U know banished replace Covies
and Created replace Flood
I dont want Hinf to be HCE 2.0
inner basin
It doesn't have to be. Just because there are different enemy factions replacing the factions we fought in HCE doesn't mean Infinite will be HCE 2.0.
There could also be another curveball thrown at us in Infinite too. We still don't know much about the game remember
jolly furnace
I hope there's more then just banished and created
I mean i wanna know why they are even on the ring
I assume baniished want index
inner basin
Well we know Atriox wants power (hence why he went to the Ark) so it's not to crazy to think that his forces (not on the Ark) go to the Halo rings instead
cedar surge
Yea the banished probably won't want the ring but when you are in control of the literal gun to the head of the galaxy who is gonna cross you
Oh yea I remember the second one
The created being forgiven
inner basin
To go back to your hopes for Infinite, I don't think time travel will ever happen in Halo anyways, don't know what put that in your head, but I think we'll be okay for that one. As for the Created being forgiven, I kinda agree, but only for Cortana. I'd be fine with the other AIs being accepted. I just don't want a Cortana redemption arc. She should be killed in Infinite, but not like a Jul death.
inner basin
Well that's more of a slipspace anomaly, was it not
By time travel, I think he's meaning something along the lines of Avengers Endgame time trave;
At least that's what came to my mind at first
jolly furnace
yeah see i dont want hinf to make banished seem like covenant of ce again
I hope this doesnt rethread ce beats
cos im expectin to see the cartographer, a palace of pain/flood facility at this point
but we'll see
tomorrow may give us a clue
craggy sierra
I find it hard for the flood to come into the game and not retread CE
So I just default to saying no flood
toxic light
Only time will tell 
cedar surge
Came across a question on qoura asking how they would fight the covenant. The answers ranged from marketing ships literal skeletons and only using AI to control fleets,giving every citizen a gun
Oh and people bashing the scorpion and warthog
What do you think?
I don't think the unsc could have fought the covenant any better
There is no way in under 30 years their tech could match the covenants
Ecpecially with most of their forces getting destroyed most of the time
inner basin
Yeah for me, I'm surprised how long humanity held out for, but they do have the Spartans to thank for their willingness and sacrifice
violet iron
Only reason humanity won the war was because the covenant crumbled from within
inner basin
Well that among other factors
Don't get me wrong, it was the main reason, but not the only reason, besides, I was referring to how humanity held out for 30 years, not how they won the war
cedar surge
No matter how good Spartans were they can't carry a entire war
The marines,odsts,army, and navy did a lot of work too
Navy nearly was totally destroyed by the end though
Also that give a gun to everyone kind of irks me
Who in their right mind give a gun to everyone while in a high stress situation not to mention that there are likely innies among them
cedar surge
Is religion still a big thing in humanity anymore?
limpid meadow
Yep. Or it's around enough that it's been mention on a few occasions.
inner basin
@cedar surge You’re reading too much into what I was talking about. I wasn’t saying the Spartans did everything. Each member of the UNSC in each branch played their part, but the Spartans were very key in most battles. When a Spartan was on the ground, most ground battles were successes. They also raised troop morale too, so there’s that added bonus.
cedar surge
Usually problems can be solved by throwing a spartan at it
inner basin
That’s how Ackerson looked at it according to the way he deployed the mainline Spartan-III Alpha and Beta companies
cedar surge
Unless of course you throw them into smacking distance of a hunter
Or worse
a goliath
How important were spartan 3 missions?
Like slowing down the entire war important?
inner basin
Yeah something like that. Their missions, although fatal, were definitely high priority targets. ONI saw them as successes despite casualties
last anchor
Not so much anymore
most ODSTs that had it are probably either dead from the War or ended up AS S-IVs (see; Buck)
latent mason
So what happened with spartan 2s during reach
hardy axle
Always annoyed me that they changed the fight John has with the ODST in the animated TFoR compared to the book. They made it out that he just savaged them because they started a fight. In the book an officer orders him to spar with the ODST.
latent mason
Im confused why reach is before ce but it uses spartan 3s
hardy axle
They’d been in service for like 15 years by the time of reach i think
hardy axle
Needlessly made him out to be a brute
So what happened with spartan 2s during reach
@latent mason 95% of them are there defending reach same time as the 3s of noble team. Just in other locations. But it goes about as well for them as it does for noble.
latent mason
Thats right
I think somewhere its said that the dead spartans on lone wolf are 2 and 3s
cedar surge
Isn't reach to 3 3 months?
gilded mason
About one month
Oh, wait
You mean Reach to Halo 3?
July 24: Reach begins
Dec 11: Halo 3 ends
versed helm
Why was MC never Commissioned, shouldn't he be because he is a Spartan, or are only Spartan-IV required to go through the Spartan ranking system
cedar surge
So if spartan 3s attacked highly critical covenant targets
Wwhat could bring 300 Spartans to a critical location unnoticed
And extract whoever was left
carmine sleet
Prowlers
They're stealth ships that should not be confused with the Brute vehicle of the same name seen in Halo 3
versed helm
Are we sure ODSTs don’t have some kind of exoskeleton?
Or like.. how do they do the things they do
So far I’ve seen The Rookie fall 4 stories on his feet and immediately walk it off (literally), Dutch flip a warthog with three marines and kick down a metal-glass door, then surviving a 20 story fall, and Romeo headshot 6 grunts in half a second
hardy axle
Primarily gameplay reasons. Be a bit annoying if you couldn’t flip your warthog when it rolled. The falling massive distances in cutscenes seems like it could of been avoided though for realism. However, if I remember rightly, you don’t walk it off when you fall from your pod, you lose some health and need to find a medpac, get a plaster on those broken legs.
versed helm
Well yeah, he does take a medpack. But to even limp your way to a medpack of gel after falling that height in 100+lbs of gear is borderline inhuman of a feat
There’s also Dutch spear-tackling a Brute Chieftan, which speaks for itself
The gameplay idea would have made more sense if they didn’t go out of their way in the script to demonstrate Dutch doing so in dialogue
stiff creek
It'd be funky if they just had you limp for the whole game.
frozen sphinx
Hi, I remember I had a question, but I forgot what question
I knew it had to do with Halo though
Oh, right, here it goes
Why every scarab is the exact same except the Halo 2 one?
and, well, if it didn't had any weakpoints, why did the Covenant start using the weaker one?
or is it just a gameplay decision
cedar surge
There are multiple variants
blazing compass
I think it was a different model of scarab that just so happened to be in Mombasa
cedar surge
Just like the warthog has variants so does the scarab
frozen sphinx
the exact same the Johnson had
blazing compass
The one in Mombasa is less heavily armed with only the front laser
cedar surge
And the one in halo 3 is more equipped combat
frozen sphinx
Well, how do we even destroy the Halo 2 one?
cedar surge
By uh
frozen sphinx
Halo 3 has weak points, but 2 one just gives up after we kill all the crew
blazing compass
Haven’t played in a while
cedar surge
Not exactly
frozen sphinx
with us on board
cedar surge
I think chief either messed with the controls
blazing compass
Well it can’t operate without crew
frozen sphinx
and, well, how we are suddenly on the ship
cedar surge
Or blew up the reactor
frozen sphinx
Well it can’t operate without crew
@blazing compass it explodes in the cutscene
cedar surge
We arnt suddenly on the dawn
blazing compass
Probably messed with the controls
cedar surge
The cutscenes shows the pelican taking us to it
cedar surge
Hidden Xperia has a video on all known scarab types if you want to watch
With the lore
frozen sphinx
weren't there only 2?
cedar surge
No there is a bunch
frozen sphinx
The dog looking one in 2 and the normal one everywhere else?
cedar surge
Your forgetting wars,wars 2, and EU
blazing compass
There are different combat packages depending on what they are doing I think
frozen sphinx
guess that's correct
cedar surge
There is a scarab with no legs in wars 1 which is a type with no legs
And the banished scarab
blazing compass
You don’t really need the big gun on top for urban warfare because it probably won’t be able to turn and it’s to tall
frozen sphinx
...btw, where did Johnson even got the Scarab in the first place? I remember him being in the Library before that
There is a scarab with no legs in wars 1 which is a type with no legs
@cedar surge huh
blazing compass
The one in halo wars was under construction
cedar surge
He stole it@frozen sphinx
He stole the scarab while the arbiter was fighting the brutes
blazing compass
It wasn’t made to have no legs they just hadn’t got round to it
frozen sphinx
sneaky guy
cedar surge
Did ya curse?
There are still a bunch of types of Scarabs
Probably there are still some in the EU somewhere we havnt seen
frozen sphinx
yup, said the b word
frozen sphinx
not that b word
cedar surge
Yea can't curse here
frozen sphinx
starts with b and and ends with tard
cedar surge
Oh
frozen sphinx
btw, Johnson was an epic guy. He survived the destruction of one ring, then survived a confrontation with Arbiter and the Brutes, then stole a Scarab...and then died from a laser boi...
cedar surge
Well its a laser from the monitor
Its gonna hurt
Felt like Johnson and Miranda died just for the sake of dying
frozen sphinx
Miranda could have died like a hero but just died like a...a girl
crashed the ship into the control room and then just commited suicide
hazy cloak
i was so confused at Miranda's death back in the day
frozen sphinx
Miranda: Hi, Prophet! I crashed my ship into you to stop you from killing Johnson and stopping the firing of all Halos!
Prophet: So? What are you gonna do now?
Miranda: I never thought I'll get that far...
hazy cloak
it's as if she wasnt expecting to get outnumbered lol
frozen sphinx
yeah, it should be obvious that there's a lot of Covenant
Truth has found the secret to firing all the Halos in the galaxy and it was a biggest celebration in their religion
and you send 2 of your men in here and a ship
cedar surge
Well earth was preparing for the flood so the could only spare a single frigate and some marines and odsts
What bugs me is that Miranda didn't bring at least one marine or odst
frozen sphinx
exacly
they could at least wait for Chief and Arbiter
...guys...
I see that internet is talking now about two things about Halo Infinite
first, the resemblance of the box art to Halo:CE one, and second is the...main villain? That's what media told me
versed helm
@cedar surge looking at HW2 and how Brutes fight, I wouldn’t bet on a couple dudes spearing them down lol
I mean that Chieftan should have just.. shook himself about and they would have sailed off the edge
versed helm
No I mean the brutes in Atriox’ expose
versed helm
Exposition
frozen sphinx
sorry, guys, but I don't understand Halo Wars 2 language.
cedar surge
What
frozen sphinx
I'm more of a shooter guy personally
carmine sleet
Halo Wars 2 isn't a different language
frozen sphinx
that is a joke
carmine sleet
It didn't work as a joke
versed helm
@frozen sphinx 🤗
cedar surge
If you are talking about that cutscene were the brutes killed the elites
versed helm
Yes
versed helm
And Atriox didn’t use his powered glove to punt Red team across the room. Brutes are ridiculously strong and fast no matter their kin
As in, pulling limbs off without effort strong
cedar surge
Atriox used his gauntlet to b r walk Douglass shoulder
versed helm
Yes but the point stands
They consider 1100lbs of armor to provide “light” protection
cedar surge
Also it doesn't help that the brute was simultaneously getting stabbed in the neck while two other odsts were attacking it
versed helm
They’re a mortal threat to Spartans with their bare hands, no ODST should’ve done what Dutch did with a simple spear against a ton of Brute
cedar surge
Its like if little kids were attacking you and one is stabbing you with a fork
Plus its 3 vs 1
versed helm
The knife was a bit of a concern, sure
cedar surge
I wouldn't call a knife to the throat a bit of a concern
versed helm
But the chieftan outweighs them by a factor of 10, and is around 5 times faster as well
cedar surge
Odsts arnt exactly weak
versed helm
I would. Brutes have survived having half of their brain tissue flayed out, and even laugh off energy sword strikes
cedar surge
These are the same guys who can fall a few stories and still be able to walk
Or fly out of a warthog going hundreds of miles per hour
And survive
versed helm
Well I mean if you’re using the examples I showed, it does make it seem a little less chaotic
But at the same time, weird
(Overall)
cedar surge
Maybe they just used the brutes own weight against it
versed helm
Well, that’s what Buck described doing in New Blood yeah
I’d consider it to be more of luck than anything else
cedar surge
Still if that marine could smack a elite to the ground in halo wars 1 then a odst should be able to do the same to a brute
versed helm
I wouldn’t use that scaling XD that was more using it’s own timid momentum against itself more than anything
Any other scenario would’ve resulted in what happened in The Mona Lisa - mutilated chests and erupted heads
cedar surge
Well the unsc got back harvest
Oh yea I remember
The shotgun in that HW2 cutscene cut down a brute in one shot
When Jerome was fighting a brute
Well bruted
Brutes
dire timber
I'm
cedar surge
And just because Jerome was holding it doesn't make it any stronger than if a marine were hiding it
cedar surge
3 hours left bois
dire timber
no i think thats when the event starts.
dire timber
The event starts in 3 hours but for me it's in 6 hours until the infinite
i think there showing infinite last.
cedar surge
Gotta show the best for last
dire timber
Who wants to discuss the lore.
I think the S-2
Red team lost, 1
Because atriox is op, 2 they just got out of cryo.
cedar surge
But I know the halo subreddit is gonna devolve into chaos the second the gameplay is over
dire timber
They were groggy and confused.
versed helm
@cedar surge and yeah the shotgun is badass, no disagreement there
dire timber
Same, i'm taking a break
from the sub.
it's gona be like
THERES NO SPRINT
And
THERE IS SPRINT
versed helm
I will not be here on this sub during the reveal
versed helm
Lol, sounds like Halo 5 almost
dire timber
Halo V was just.
versed helm
5’s gameplay was okayish
cedar surge
I might leave the sub so I don't get spoiled
versed helm
I’m liking the idea of one-off usages for things. I wonder how that translates in lore
dire timber
I thought of a lore idea, that nobody thought of
versed helm
Go on
dire timber
It's stupid but knowing humans makes sence.
versed helm
Yes
dire timber
Cryophobia, people having a fear of cryo sleap.
dire timber
Which
versed helm
That’s an interesting thing to explore
dire timber
Is it ever mentioned?
cedar surge
Someone from the 23 century wakes up in the 25th
versed helm
Well there’s allergies but not fear iirc
dire timber
Because i wonder how say a spartan was trained.
But never told anybody
he had a fear of cryo.
And ended up punching people and stuff
because he did not want to get in the pod.
cedar surge
I hope they have cool background battles like for reach
versed helm
Eh, I can’t see that happening to a spartan honestly
dire timber
Yea.
versed helm
Perhaps a marine
cedar surge
Like unsc and banished forces fighting each other in the background
versed helm
Yes, agreed Lance
dire timber
is the capital of the UNSC And UEG.
cedar surge
While we finally see anlaces fighting in atmosphere
versed helm
@dire timber sydney?
cedar surge
Like what they are meant fot
versed helm
Hm
dire timber
I always think of ideas to expand the lore.
How air travel works in halo.
And if it's a thing.
cedar surge
Wait Sydney is the capital.
dire timber
Yeah?
versed helm
Mhm
dire timber
Sydneys the UEG And UNSC captital.
cedar surge
Austrailia is the center of the universe
versed helm
Allegedly
cedar surge
Or the unsc
dire timber
There are some.
There was a huge battle out in western sydney
Because the covies
discovered one.
versed helm
Ooh interesting
cedar surge
So do you guys think the created made the unsc into a puppet government or completely destroyed it?
versed helm
What were they on when they decided to seed the animals there
dire timber
Destroyed.
versed helm
I think puppet government is more realistic
dire timber
They would not want the name.
Since cortana
hates the UNSC.
Anybody else always make up pocket lore.
versed helm
Well they can hate them and also subvert their image
dire timber
And tiny bits of the universe
cedar surge
The created are not becoming the unsc
dire timber
My most hated part of the halo universe.
cedar surge
They will control what's left of the government
cedar surge
Oh you hate the created?
cedar surge
If you hate the created don't worry many others do too
versed helm
Could be a non-human colony ship
dire timber
I'm worried though
cedar surge
Oh yea it also means she will live to 2580
dire timber
Right.
versed helm
Lube XD
dire timber
Hello old friend.
dire timber
My insane school friend chugged down these pills to help you stay awake.
His reasoning was ''2AM''
versed helm
LOL
dire timber
I'm not sure thats healthy tbh.
I took up a thought with my flying instructor.
As to if i could pay
to hire an artist to paint a pelican onto the side of an ultralight
he's not really an instructor
as we're related but
i just want a pelican or a UNSC color scheme.
frozen sphinx
quick lore question
dire timber
go ahead.
frozen sphinx
why do devs experiment with Halos and all that stuff, when the best Halo experiences are always on Earth?
dire timber
evs?
cedar surge
What?
versed helm
EVs?
cedar surge
That's not exactly a lore question
versed helm
Lol
dire timber
Also the other experiances
frozen sphinx
but I don't know where it would fit
cedar surge
Because staying on earth would be boring
dire timber
Are you on lsd or something bruH?
frozen sphinx
I mean, where I could ask this
cedar surge
General discussion
dire timber
frozen sphinx
Outskirts, Metropolis, ODST, Tsavo, The Storm, all of that
dire timber
i mean
cedar surge
You can't have a universe as big as halo
dire timber
dire timber
yea
whats the point
of it being called
halo.
Without Halo.
Imagine, Combat evolved.
cedar surge
Plus who wouldnt want to go to high charity or fight on the ark
cedar surge
Or fight on a ring
frozen sphinx
Plus who wouldnt want to go to high charity or fight on the ark
@cedar surge me (jk, jk, right)
dire timber
The best missions are normaly on installations.
Xela
don't be scared
you can have an opinion
we're not that toxic.
cedar surge
Still nothing angers me more than drones
frozen sphinx
you're not Xbox Live, that I know
dire timber
Oh, i'm a console boy.
frozen sphinx
Still nothing angers me more than drones
@cedar surge you can get a lot of kills for that Acrophobia skull
cedar surge
The flying pests
cedar surge
Goid
frozen sphinx
...btw, the drones are so weird
cedar surge
How
dire timber
Yam'ne are not weird.
frozen sphinx
...I hate when I just want to talk about Grunts and Elites, but Halo fans go "oh, you mean Unggoy and Sanghelli?"
versed helm
It’s hard to shoot with acrophobia
dire timber
Dude, your talking about a universe with sentient flesh blobs, warrior 4 mouthed aliens, giant apes with hammer.
frozen sphinx
Dude, your talking about a universe with sentient flesh blobs, warrior 4 mouthed aliens, giant apes with hammer.
@dire timber that at least makes sense
dire timber
It doesnt.
cedar surge
Uh you get mad for using the in universe names?
frozen sphinx
name one universe that DOESN'T have sentient flesh bobs
dire timber
Halo is fun for that, bugs.
Are not far fleshed.
Xela, well many.
But each of them criticaly hated, call of duty.
Infinite warfare
cedar surge
@frozen sphinx dance dance revolution
frozen sphinx
that is correct
dire timber
What else hm.
frozen sphinx
@frozen sphinx dance dance revolution
@cedar surge I'm pretty sure it does have
frozen sphinx
..well, technically, they kinda do
cedar surge
Stellaris
dire timber
There not flesh blobs.
frozen sphinx
I kinda mean other thing
dire timber
I was about to say warhammer 40k lmfao
versed helm
The engineers?
dire timber
No, the flood.
frozen sphinx
The alines that infect humans turning them into zombies
dire timber
We're refering to.
frozen sphinx
Lemme make the list
cedar surge
T h Ey are a hive mind bug race
dire timber
In fact, the Yam'ne are actually the most plausible.
cedar surge
How is that far fetched
frozen sphinx
Half Life, Halo, Left 4 Dead, Destiny, Mass Effect
versed helm
They are quite smart
frozen sphinx
just refer by in game names
versed helm
They’re actually the most intelligent species in the covenant shy of Engineers
frozen sphinx
Half life?
@dire timber headcrabs
cedar surge
...I hate when I just want to talk about Grunts and Elites, but Halo fans go "oh, you mean Unggoy and Sanghelli?"
@frozen sphinx
dire timber
Yes, not biomass creatures
frozen sphinx
I see a Grunt, I call it Grunt, not "Unggoy"
dire timber
Xela, when you've been into the lore
cedar surge
Buts that is the name of re species
frozen sphinx
If in game they're Grunts, I call them Grunts, not their official name
versed helm
@frozen sphinx you’re allowed to call them grunts :p
frozen sphinx
Quick, what is the official name for Phantom?
dire timber
Why?
frozen sphinx
you have 5 seconds.
frozen sphinx
See?
dire timber
yes it can be called
cedar surge
Plus cortana even calls every species by name
cedar surge
In game
frozen sphinx
A phantom is a phantom, like grunt is a grunt
cedar surge
What even
dire timber
a phantoms an aerial vehicle.
frozen sphinx
I mean, by name
cedar surge
Grunts have two names
versed helm
Yip and yap
cedar surge
Grunt and unngoy
dire timber
Yes.
frozen sphinx
I do not call Phantoms "Type 8567 Aircraft Type Vehicle Space Type", just Phantom
frozen sphinx
I do not call Grunts Unggoy, just Grunt
versed helm
Lol Xela you sound like you’re trying to write a Seinfeld skit
dire timber
I can legit type grunt
cedar surge
Some people just prefer one name
dire timber
the same length i can type ungoy
grunt
legit
grunt
ungoyy
grunt
unggoy
Also btw
in lore discussion i refer to halo vehicles simply
cedar surge
Its only a single letter longer
versed helm
Grunts more like short triangle little people
versed helm
::
dire timber
Short, lizzard gorrilas.
versed helm
Yeah they’re a bit like monkeys
cedar surge
But arnt they like molluscs?
Think I got the name wrong
But the outer layer
Is really tough
cedar surge
Think so
dire timber
They are larger than most, stronger.
cedar surge
Yea they are the same size as humans
dire timber
And could bite your head off.
versed helm
They’ve torn apart overweight civies before
dire timber
Oh, remember
versed helm
And apparently when angered can rip an arm off like a wookiee
cedar surge
Wait they shown that before?
cedar surge
Ate them
cedar surge
They lucky the unsc didn't just throw Spartans at them for eating humans
versed helm
They did tho
cedar surge
Oh yea atriox'd clan was repeatedly thrown at unsc forces
With only atriox coming back every time
cedar surge
Which shows the unsc can put up as fight
versed helm
They were forced to rush a fortified place that has artillery with just hammers and maybe a plasma rifle or two
austere warren
What if corona virus created the flood
cedar surge
Wha?
austere warren
Ugh cmon games set in 2500s u never no
versed helm
Hilarious
austere warren
It mutated over 500 years
cedar surge
How is this lore related
austere warren
I saw universe idk what lore is