MJOLNIR suits all come with windows 95 easter eggs.
#lore-and-universe
clever fable
vague scroll
at one point the DMR in Reach was made by Armalite MG (based on the Armalite company responsible for the AR-15 weapon platform)
but that company no longer exists in general, or apparently it does with a google search but it's certainly not what it used to be
coarse hedge
Imagine being in the middle of a battle as a Spartan II, and all of a sudden Clippy pops up on the HUD
vague scroll
so things do change
limpid meadow
"You seem to be trying to survive. Do you need help with that?"
coarse hedge
"Looks like you have some enemies out there. Want to save your progress first?"
terse lava
....I oddy miss Clippy
cedar surge
Would hate to be a spartan in the middle of battle then suddenly thousands of programs activate at once
Music bassbosted blast through your helmet
limpid meadow
But yeah, Windows 95 is mentioned in I Love Bees, and Microsoft is mentioned in some other lore, but I can't remember exactly were.
vague scroll
VISR 10.0, now with built in touch screen capabilities
cedar surge
Thousands of windows on your visr
coarse hedge
"What wrong with them?"
"Dunno. Their suit just started freaking out. Said something about pop-ups suddenly flashing up."
-Pans to a Spartan frantically trying to clear their HUD-
cedar surge
Its all fun and games until a grunt scams you
limpid meadow
Found it. Microsoft was one of the companies behind Anvil Station, but that stuff's no longer canon, so MS might not canonically still be around.
terse lava
when the Creates appear "looks like you are trying to enslave the galaxy, would you like some help?"
Cortana: yes
Clippy: single tear of joy
coarse hedge
Oh my lord
limpid meadow
I could swear there was another source for Microsoft in the 26th century though.
vague scroll
@cedar surge Would you be interested in a free trial of Unggoy Farmer ™️?
terse lava
Clippy is Warden Eternal
coarse hedge
NOOOOOOOOOOO
cedar surge
@vague scroll no this is the 23rd time you asked this day
clever fable
Explains a lot.
coarse hedge
Why does that make sense??
vague scroll
We can ask again later.
coarse hedge
We always ask again later.
cedar surge
These insert generation 500 years into the future don't know what real games are!
coarse hedge
Back in my day, I was a pro at Minesweeper!
vague scroll
I think I prefer the sporting events in the 26th century
coarse hedge
Gravball?
vague scroll
we got competitive grifball and Spartan training as a sport
limpid meadow
Real gamers only play Plasmasweeper!
vague scroll
yeah, and Gravball
coarse hedge
343 please let us play Gravball
cedar surge
Back in my day we only payed 50 million Cr for cosmetics!
limpid meadow
Ricochet but in a low-gravity environment.
vague scroll
I think GravBall was based on H4's Ricochet game mode, if I'm not wrong
terse lava
angry old man noises
limpid meadow
Gravball is from The Fall of Reach, I believe.
cedar surge
Baseball but outside a space station
Giffball is a real sport?
In halo
The universe
vague scroll
yeah
limpid meadow
Yep, Gravball is mentioned back in The Fall of Reach in 2001.
vague scroll
and I checked Toa, Ricochet is a military variation on gravball
limpid meadow
Yep
limpid meadow
Chief wins. He always wins.
coarse hedge
He's just lucky
limpid meadow
That's why the other children stopped playing it with him when he was 6
cedar surge
When your so good nobody wants to play with you
vague scroll
if only Caleb-095 got recruited, then Chief would have met his match 😛
limpid meadow
lol
cedar surge
So how many of our modern day sports survived 500 years
cedar surge
Good to see the knee breaker sport survived
coarse hedge
Cause it's banned
vague scroll
but they apparently still allow a dangerous game like King of the Hill...
coarse hedge
No wait, Gravball was banned
cedar surge
Who doesn't like playing king of the hill with BRs
vague scroll
nah it was boxing @coarse hedge
coarse hedge
Oh
vague scroll
boxing league was banned, it was part of the holes that were found in Giraud's interview of the boxing coach
coarse hedge
That's what I was trying to connect to lol
cedar surge
Bet people would pay money to see a spartan box with a elite or brute
cedar surge
Is stuff like YouTube still around, and is it across unsc space or localised to colonies?
coarse hedge
At the rate YouTube is going? Probably not.
vague scroll
nah, Youtube and the Internet itself is no longer a thing
Waypoint is the new Internet
cedar surge
Wait
vague scroll
and an older version of Waypoint called ChatterNet
cedar surge
Waypoint is canon?
vague scroll
yes
cedar surge
Waypoint is the entire internet
vague scroll
yep
it's the government moderated one so people wanting to keep things on the hush-hush use ChatterNet which is older and less regulated
cedar surge
Every type of website rolled into one?
vague scroll
eh, not really sure
cedar surge
Like can people as share videos
vague scroll
we don't really get a good view of the Waypoint UI
yeah, you can share video and photos and voice over Waypoint
cedar surge
Huh
vague scroll
it does a lot more than that but just treat it as the Internet but in space
cedar surge
People better start ditching their YouTube careers
limpid meadow
Waypoint is also the name of at least 1 news channel in Halo
vague scroll
Waypoint 9 I think?
limpid meadow
Yep yep
cedar surge
That's like naming a news channel internet 4
vague scroll
I mean you got "News 4" and other stuff like that so it's not too improbable
limpid meadow
It really shows just how much control the UEG has over what its citizens consume.
cedar surge
And the news use those drones we saw in halo 2
cedar surge
Yea
There are way more known colonies than I thought
Do people drive cars anymore or do they let AI drive now
vague scroll
the number these days that gets thrown around is "800" but that doesn't necessarily establish whether it means only planets or if it includes space habitats and space stations
people can still drive cars
cedar surge
If we included space stations that number would be higher
vague scroll
but I think iluvbees mentioned that almost all civilian vehicles are plugged into the network grid
cedar surge
So cars are driven by a AI?
vague scroll
I'd say it's probably half and half
cedar surge
Well after the created they are certainly not
vague scroll
cars still have a driving capability, but you probably got smart driving as an option
limpid meadow
the number these days that gets thrown around is "800" but that doesn't necessarily establish whether it means only planets or if it includes space habitats and space stations
@vague scroll It does include more than planets or moons, yeah
cedar surge
"Oh no,they glassed that space station" just doesn't have the same ring
vague scroll
the connected to the "grid" thing is more of that the car's location and activity is always known or plugged into the network system so there's no sense of privacy unless you can fork over the money to get a private vehicle
or be the police chief of new mombasa...
cedar surge
The created have ruined AI and human relationships for years to come
vague scroll
well the AIs have a limited lifespan, they're just looking out for their own self interest just like humans do
it's hard to say no to an uncapped lifespan
cedar surge
Killing entire colonies is not the way to do it
vague scroll
especially when AIs live in dog years normally (joking)
cedar surge
Killing entire colonies,killing civilians,
gilded mason
Though when they're choosing to ally with a mass-murderer for that immortality, it kinda puts a damper on things.
limpid meadow
Here we go, from Mythos (which is essentially re-canonizing old material):
Bu the 26th century, over 800 individual colonies were spread across the Orion Arm, including planets, moons, asteroids, minig facilities, and relay stations
cedar surge
Though when they're choosing to ally with a mass-murderer for that immortality, it kinda puts a damper on things.
@gilded mason
Well jeez when you put it like that they almost sound like jerks
Haven't humanity been trying to give AI a longer lifespan?
vague scroll
BB's only distinction was that even though he didn't agree with Cortana's methods, he agreed with her intentions and goals
cedar surge
Yea of you want to try to give AI a better life
limpid meadow
Halsey was trying to find ways the extend AI lifespans. Likely others were too.
cedar surge
Cortana and her created have only put AI in a worse light
limpid meadow
Even still, AIs were still treated like equipment, which is another issue Cortana and the Created bring up.
They are basically sapient but aren't treated as such.
vague scroll
there's no explanation for Deep Winter's seemingly 14 year lifespan but I like to think he was one of those AI that recieved a temporary measure of some kind that probably worked but with drawbacks
cedar surge
"The path to hell is paved with good intentions"?
gilded mason
Unfortunately, the only Smart AI we see in the games are Cortana, who had always been treated with respect by basically everyone but Del Rio, and Sloan, who was elected to lead Meridian.
vague scroll
Roland Ostral
gilded mason
Oh yeah
limpid meadow
And Serina
vague scroll
Isabel
cedar surge
In halo wars Sedona and Isabel seem respected
gilded mason
They were also respected.
cedar surge
Yea this would feel out of place for any game only fan
jolly furnace
Ultimately Cortana and her created have done no favors for their position in humanity's eyes now
vague scroll
tbf to all the ones mentioned though, of them Cortana seemed the only one really into breaking serious rules
well, Isabel is a maybe
cedar surge
AIs have never really been given disrespect in the unsc
Except for a few cases
I think
limpid meadow
You don't have to be directly disrespected to feel you're treated unequally.
cedar surge
This will set any future help for AIs back by at least a decade
jolly furnace
Also those Mass effect/Halo crossover fics of the council being laughed at by halo factions about AI dangers are hilarious now
vague scroll
and given our concept of AIs in Halo date back to the 21st century, we have a pretty good idea that the AIs were being treated like this for centuries
cedar surge
one thing halo had over other sci fi was no cliche AI rebellion
vague scroll
@jolly furnace the Covenant had reservations on AI as well, the warnings even existed in Halo proper
cedar surge
But guess halo has it now
jolly furnace
@vague scroll Not to the extent of ME though.
Still hilarious now
Council was right in the end
terse lava
As was the Covenant
jolly furnace
So odds of Abaddon killing cortana at some point?
cedar surge
Yea now fanfiction writers are now having whiplash at having to either acknolagow or ignore halo 5 for their story to work
terse lava
Eh if he still exists I see no reason why he would
terse lava
He didnt really stop Mendicant bias
vague scroll
I mean, whiplash isn't a new thing for fanfic writers @cedar surge a bunch of writers' works had to recontextualize with Halo 4
jolly furnace
or an AI or a Precursor
vague scroll
and it's only an issue if you write from the point of view of being canon-complaint
the vast majority of fanfiction writers don't care about canon
they write as they please, which is half the fun
jolly furnace
Abaddon can kill Cortana and then take over as main villain maybe
cedar surge
Who could have seen the AI rebellion coming with AI being so helpful to the unsc
limpid meadow
one thing halo had over other sci fi was no cliche AI rebellion
@cedar surge I would argue that it isn't a cliched rebellion at all. It's almost a subversion (or could have been)
cedar surge
How a subversion
vague scroll
I've seen fanfics that featured Cortana betraying Humanity before, it wasn't a new idea for me
terse lava
We dont know if the primordial really spoke for the precursors or abbadon
limpid meadow
The AI aren't trying to wipe anything out, they're trying to forceably elevate the entire galaxy's quality of life.
jolly furnace
Yeah i liked that Halo hadnt fallen to the AI rebellion trope in modern halo story
gilded mason
I would argue that it isn't a cliched rebellion at all. It's almost a subversion
Isn't it basically I, Robot?
limpid meadow
That's not something you typically see in sci-fi
terse lava
Abbadon was pretty pissed about the halos being fired, but it was his fault
terse lava
Yea pretty much I, Robot
limpid meadow
Isn't it basically I, Robot?
@gilded mason A bit yeah, without the 3 Laws idiocy
vague scroll
I, Robot is far from cliche given it's a fundamental piece of AI-related science fiction
gilded mason
We robots will ensure mankind's continued existence. You are so like children. We must save you from yourselves.
vague scroll
if it's cliche, it was an origion point
limpid meadow
Not that the 3 laws are idiodic, just the movie's logic
terse lava
You could argue it's also The Foundation series too
limpid meadow
@vague scroll I believe we're talking about the movie. Unless I misunderstood.
cedar surge
But hasn't the AI already been doing that for the unsc? The assembly guiding humanity?
terse lava
Movie was based off a book if I recall
vague scroll
they are I think @limpid meadow I originally thought they were talking the book
@terse lava Asimov wrote I, Robot
gilded mason
343 slid them into maybe-canon
limpid meadow
343 doesn't seem to consider the Assembly canon
cedar surge
Why?
terse lava
One of my favorite authors
gilded mason
Not sure
limpid meadow
@terse lava The movie is barely an adaptation of the book.
vague scroll
Grim wasn't a fan of the Assembly
limpid meadow
It borrows some ideas, but that's it
cedar surge
AI trying to guide humanity was cool
jolly furnace
A mistake i feel on their part. Assembly can be used in this created arc
limpid meadow
I agree, the Assembly was cool. 343 seems to feel otherwise.
cedar surge
Not forcibly become its overlords
terse lava
Well one problem with the Assembly was its implied they contacted the Covenant somehow
jolly furnace
tried to
gilded mason
Or at least one member tried
vague scroll
on Halo Fanon, we continue to use the Assembly though our collective interpretation has kind of evolved into a mindset that the Assembly was planning something similar to Cortana's Created all along
cedar surge
Plus forcibly elevate living? Did they have to destroy multiple colonies,killing millions of people to do that?
vague scroll
only that Cortana simply subverted the Assembly leadership when the Guardians showed up
vague scroll
we don't know
terse lava
I need to get into that discord
cedar surge
Overthrowing humanity to become its overlords feels cliche to me. Plus how is overrunning colonies killing everyone with prometheans wanting to help people
vague scroll
the invites there for you on Halopedia if you ever want to give us a visit Ado
though we're a rather tiny community hesitant towards outsiders since its such a niche group
cedar surge
I don't exactly see how they want to help people with killing millions
jolly furnace
Oh yeah Cortana's also a hypocrite using prometheans to enforce her rule.
given most of them are enslaved humans
vague scroll
The Created don't kill people unless they fight back
jolly furnace
hah
cedar surge
What
gilded mason
And she talked about how she'd rather keep composed beings in a hellscape rather than let them enjoy the Domain
vague scroll
everything else is collateral damage
craggy sierra
They kinda inflicted a lot of intentional collateral then
cedar surge
Millions of civilIan's dead
vague scroll
I mean, when the most powerful weapon on your Guardian is a EMP beam, and you know the UNSC warships in a fair fight would destroy the Guardian... you kind of have to use the EMP
jolly furnace
speakin of Domain, would the ur-didact be in there? Cos i wonder where the hell his essence would go after his composer overload
gilded mason
Even massacred an embassy on Balaho.
cedar surge
@vague scroll hey Remeber the moon?
vague scroll
I thought they detained the people at the embassy @gilded mason
@cedar surge that was an ONI base tbf
cedar surge
No she killed them
gilded mason
No, it said they killed everyone but, like, Romeo or something
vague scroll
ah alright, Bad Blood for me was 2018
cedar surge
No she killed entire colonies that needed special equipment to survive
That died due to the emp
vague scroll
which colonies are you thinking of?
Romeo and Buck went to try and save the ambassador who was detained by Unggoy forces as I recall @gilded mason
gilded mason
“Not unless you consider it a rousing success to have the entire embassy destroyed and nearly everyone inside killed.”
cedar surge
That sure does seem like collateral damage
Those ambassadors surely fired the first shot
vague scroll
@gilded mason there were some survivors being escorted by Unggoy Goblins that got into a firefight with Buck and Romeo
gilded mason
Yeah?
vague scroll
they were killed when Promethean reinforcements showed up
gilded mason
“I said nearly everybody. When I left the embassy to get a ride, there were still a few people alive and hiding out.
vague scroll
my point was not everyone was killed
gilded mason
That's...not much better?
vague scroll
it's not, I was just trying to make sure I was remembering correctly
and that it wasn't just a straight "oh they're all dead time to go visit the S-IV training station"
cedar surge
Slaughtering almost a entire embassy does not sound good at all
vague scroll
they might of fought back, that part wasn't shown in the book
gilded mason
Though at that point, it's like a cop shooting a child.
vague scroll
after the initial shock and awe the Created did come in and try to reintegrate civilians and the alike
@gilded mason no denial there
it was really one sided
cedar surge
Its like a tank shooting a man with a water shooter
And how could have the embassy ftired the first shot
The embassy is not going anywhere while the created likely would have gone there first
vague scroll
an embassy has security, you see a Forerunner ship pop up into orbit, you have Promethean soldiers teleporting into the courtyard and hallways - what are you going to do? NOT shoot?
gilded mason
Probably why Cortana should have expected that, and done something to pacifiy things.
vague scroll
I am under the very vile impression that Cortana's idea of pacification is to treat everybody as a nail and her a hammer.
cedar surge
You telling me that the unsc wouldn't have attempted to communicate with the created ?
vague scroll
yes
Cortana just announced anyone who stands up to her is going to die
it's either surrender or fight back
her intentions were clear, no need to negotiate
and I rather doubt Cortana was interested in negotiating - it takes two to play diplomacy
cedar surge
Ya know
There feels like there is a imbalance here
The AIs felt like they were equipment so they killed millions,destroyed colonies, and became galactic dictators
vague scroll
Cortana's a raging conqueror, so yeah, there's going to be an imbalance - she used what essentially was space-blitzkrieg to level the UNSC
and yeah oppression tends to incite a sense of vindication and a wish for violence
vague scroll
well, no
but that's what makes Cortana both odd and interesting
she could have gone it any other way but she chose a headlong approach
vague scroll
we don't know why she chose the violent option, we also don't know what her big game plan is
vague scroll
characters don't make decisions without reason
Cortana has a reason for her choices
we just don't know it
gilded mason
What's funny is that in the post-H5 343 talk, they discussed how she now thinks in chunks of 10,000 years and can plan out things really far...which does not fit anything she did so far.
cedar surge
Her game plan is to create a utopia for john
vague scroll
that's small fries compared to everything else
she's thinking 10,000 years ahead as Ostral said
it's more than just John
cedar surge
Doesn't seem like she cares about anybody else
vague scroll
she has more on her mind than him, otherwise his voice of reason would have stopped her or she would have negotiated with him rather than just making a weak attempt to convince him then walked off and said, time to go attack the galaxy
cedar surge
She tried to lock him away for 10 000 years
gilded mason
Or she just didn't care about his wants to desires, only that he's """"""""safe""""""""
vague scroll
yes because he's not her focus at the moment - he's just a sentimental trophy to her
she's got bigger things on her mind
cedar surge
This is not the actual cortana
vague scroll
that's starting to get into headcanon
gilded mason
It's stated in Dominion Splinter
vague scroll
Dominion Splinter showed dozens of fragments, and I'll be honest - it's one of the most confusing pieces of Halo lore I've read
if it was a rampant fragment doesn't that mean Cortana isn't even a complete AI?
gilded mason
All that's really left, from what I can tell, is a combined collection of post-rampant fragments that have stabilized, but carry the altered personality that came from the rampancy
cedar surge
Yea how could the cortana from the original trilogy who sounded remorseful of the deaths of humans on the ring we fought on in CE kill millions to a billion without a care in the world
vague scroll
see, like I said, it's more postulation than canon
we don't have her motivations out in the open - that confusion of Dominion Splinter is the very thing that spawned endless speculation over the last 4 years over whether Cortana was a splintered collective of rampant pieces, or whether Cortana suffers from logic plague
it's an endless spiral of 'we don't know'
limpid meadow
That Cortana we said goodbye to is gone. All the remained were rampant fragments. It's not really postulation.
cedar surge
Del Rio is laughing at everyone
vague scroll
my point of postulation isn't denying that the Cortana we know is gone or not, my point is what is behind her motivation. We don't know what's the mind steering the vehicle.
cedar surge
Saying I told you so
Well isn't that she wants to create a utopia for John and secondary make AI the rulers of the galaxy to be forerunners 2.0?
vague scroll
but why did she choose the violent option then?
cedar surge
She might just not care
cedar surge
If she tried to make AI the rulers of the galaxy there would be opposition for obvious reason
vague scroll
we got the intended endgoal, we don't know the articulation behind the why or the how
cedar surge
So just obliterate the oppostion
vague scroll
BB seems to think there was another way to get the same results
vague scroll
well then there's a unique position that Cortana has taken and it's not apparent at the moment
vague scroll
of course there's the easy answer of "she's crazy" but I don't think anyone would be satisfied with that
cedar surge
Or crashes in general
Or those who died in space due to the EMP
Many people would die due to that EMP alone
Not including her hypocritical use of prometheans
Has it ever really been shown how AI been treated like equipment
Smart AI preferably
Smart AI can actually act like people
Dumb AI cant
jolly furnace
Forerunners did that more so then humans from what i've seen
cedar surge
Yea AIs have always been given respect from what I've seen in the unsc
jolly furnace
foreunners programmed their AI to enjoy servitude
cedar surge
In the unsc I don't recall smart AIs ever being disrespected
Or treated like equipment
I just recall them just treating them like mini humans
jolly furnace
So question - odds of second cortana showing up?
cedar surge
Maybe according to the teaser
jolly furnace
And if so does she stay on return things to status quo?
cedar surge
Hope not
cedar surge
I also hope 343 doesn't go the route of the galaxy just forgiving the AI
After the AI get off their power trip
jolly furnace
It wouldn't be belivable on any level
cedar surge
It would be about as believable as a spartan 3 hugging a elite or brute
craggy sierra
Inb4 people say Cortana returns to being a good guy despite the slaughter
jolly furnace
I hope not
cedar surge
You don't stop oppression by mass murdering and making new oppression
craggy sierra
I see that disturbingly often
gilded mason
Yeah, it's...weird
cedar surge
Its like people who thought humanity and elites would be best buds
vague scroll
could just be overlap with the Master Chief x Cortana pairing fanbase
cedar surge
How would that even work
vague scroll
fanfiction writers... make it work
cedar surge
I don't want to know
cedar surge
Whuh?
limpid meadow
My headcanon is that she's doing all this so John doesn't have to be in danger anymore.
cedar surge
I think that's the concesus
limpid meadow
But that might be too obscure for general audiences
cedar surge
No its not to vauge
Its told pretty bluntly in 5
What I'm expecting after the created get defeated is mass regulation on AIs
Like dumb AId would take over most Smart AIs work
Smart AIs must always be terminated on time
Any chance smart AIs of getting help from ONI is gone
Nobody is going to trust them for decades,maybe even centuries
vague scroll
The other option is that Humanity just stops making Smart AI
vague scroll
The Covenant have lasted thousands of years without AI
vague scroll
Associated intelligences don’t count
cedar surge
What?
vague scroll
Associated intelligence is the designation the Covenant gave to their “AI”
They don’t count because they’re just mass copied, non-sapient versions of Smart AI captured from the UNSC
The Covenant has spent thousands of years without AI in their arsenal, they only started using them after prolonged war with the UNSC
jolly furnace
they had superior AI
cedar surge
Information
jolly furnace
Hmm
vague scroll
the distinction was the Covenant didn't have AI at all
cedar surge
You can't just give up the ability to hack entire battlenets or ships
vague scroll
it wasn't a match of capability, the Covenant simply lacked any form of AI
jolly furnace
They did i think
cedar surge
Almost instantaneous
jolly furnace
but not smart level ones
vague scroll
the motivation behind an AI ban for the Covenant was because in their founding religion Mendicant Bias's role in betraying the Forerunners to the Flood is what made them fearful of AI
cedar surge
Don't see covenant being able to hack entire unsc systems
Maybe just make AIs for military use only
vague scroll
the Covenant was on a tech level above that of the UNSC, there was very little need for them to hack the UNSC
cedar surge
Yea but other way around
vague scroll
they simply won fights by powering through UNSC forces
round comet
they cant.
cedar surge
Maybe just making dumb AI
vague scroll
essentially that's my point
cedar surge
No you said stopping AI production
vague scroll
there's no reason that the UNSC has to continue using Smart AI if the risks outweigh the advantages
The other option is that Humanity just stops making Smart AI
@vague scroll
vague scroll
the Covenant did make use of dumb AI equivalents so that's fine
cedar surge
Wait if you stop producing. Smart AIs
round comet
dumb AIs couldnt have done what cortana did
round comet
smart AIs are a necessity, even if they have a limited lifespan.
vague scroll
my point is just that if the benefits don't compare to the risks, then that's enough of an argument to just ban the tech outright too ¯_(ツ)_/¯
they're on the threshold of becoming as technologically advanced as the Covenant these days
may not need the significant advantage of AI computing anymore
cedar surge
The created makes AIs situation in the unsc worse
now they will forever be treated with mistrust and more oppression
round comet
dumb AIs have limited function, smart AIs have limited lifespan.
you sadly cant have both(unless you're cortana and are the queen of the domain or part of the created)
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vague scroll
the other total opposite direction is that AIs and humans reconcile and look to a new form of society rather than the UEG/UNSC
cedar surge
no
vague scroll
anything's possible in sci fi stories like these
vague scroll
¯_(ツ)_/¯
round comet
i think it could actually work, i just dont want it to lol.
cedar surge
Why would humanity ever trust AIs less work with them after what the AI done
vague scroll
I don't have an opinion, just waiting for Infinite to speak for 343i on what direction they want to take the story
round comet
i have opinions
cedar surge
In would be surprised if people ever want to see a ssmart AI again in the unsc
round comet
like a lot
Why would humanity ever trust AIs less work with them after what the AI done
fair point, but ''peace treaties" and the option to co-operate always exists.
especially when the pay-off will be pretty big.
spiral jewel
I could be remembering things incorrectly, but didn't Roland by random chance make some sort of contact with the SoF ( or something along those lines)
spiral jewel
Like I said, I could be remembering things wrong
cedar surge
This isn't even a prometheans only attacking soldiers
Prometheans actively killed civilians
Sipping out colonies
round comet
prometheans are not the created.
cedar surge
Its HCW 2:electric boogaloo
Wait meant the created
But the prometheans are now working for the created
round comet
by created the guy meant cortana and the AIs
cedar surge
The prometheans are a part of the created now
round comet
are they.
cedar surge
Yes
round comet
or are they just workers.
cedar surge
They are under the control of the created yes
round comet
the warden and the prometheans only seek to assist cortana, whatever she asks her to do, they will.
round comet
they are, but they arent the ones humanity will make that "peace treaty" with.
that would be cortana and the AIs.
round comet
so? doesnt mean they are anything but soliders.
cedar surge
So all the fault of destroyed colonies and dead civilians are solely the prometheans fault?
round comet
no.
i think the direct blame for that goes to cortana.
and her intentions were not to kill civilians.
never have been.
cedar surge
Yea the embassy nearly being a total slaughter totally shows this
She attacked a unsc embassy and nearly killed everyone
round comet
do you know what cortana's intentions are? or what she plans to do?
cedar surge
What part does a near killing of a embassy have to do in grand plans
round comet
answer my question.
cedar surge
No I dont
round comet
well then her intentions are not to kill humanity. she wants to enforce peace upon the galaxy by taking the mantle of responsibility the way the forerunners did,
full forge
Are any of the prometheans beside the Warden even sentient?
round comet
that also means that cooperation is an option.
cedar surge
Doesn't that make cortana case worse?
full forge
Cortana is making the entire galaxy vulnerable to the flood, I swear.
cedar surge
She is using basically using slaves
While preaching that under the unsc they were oppressed
west silo
Why would humanity ever trust AIs less work with them after what the AI done
@cedar surge
I don't know man there kinda friendly with the covenant species after 30 years of a genocidal war so who knows
round comet
well then her intentions are not to kill humanity. she wants to enforce peace upon the galaxy by taking the mantle of responsibility the way the forerunners did,
here, cooperation bw humanity and the created IS an option, like it or not.
am i saying that it will happen? no, i think its unlikely.
is it possible? yes.
cedar surge
N@west silo. No they are not
craggy sierra
The flood are boring and please don’t advocate for their return
cedar surge
The unsc hasn't been friendly with the covenant
The covenant is gone
Barely have good relations with elites
And have a embassy for grunts
west silo
The unsc hasn't been friendly with the covenant
@cedar surge
Species
cedar surge
Jackels and skirmishes I have no idea,elites are the oonly ones I think they have a fine relationship with
round comet
so yeah, co-operation is an option here, although i dont see it happening and am not sure how good is that for the narrative.
west silo
Don't the unsc have a refugee camps for some of the species on earth of all places
cedar surge
No think it was other colonies
west silo
I think it's in warfleet
craggy sierra
There’s a few joint research ventures happening here and there but everything is still rather shakey between the species.
round comet
The unsc hasn't been friendly with the covenant
doesnt mean they didnt work together.
west silo
Why did the engineer transfer vergil inside it self again?
terse lava
There were a handful of times Covenant and humans worked together. Fighting on a Line Installation with black team, and fighting with marines in The Flood against the parasite itself
west silo
There were a handful of times Covenant and humans worked together. Fighting on a Line Installation with black team, and fighting with marines in The Flood against the parasite itself
@terse lava
Didn't they end up backstabbing each other in bloodlines
west silo
Although it was mostly the monitors fault
The other wanted to create a new Covenant with them
@gilded mason
Wasn't he kinda crazy
gilded mason
He's a bit...confused, but he's got spirit, I'll give him that much!
west silo
Just hope he doesn't lose his head😋
gilded mason
Truly, his crowning achievement
cedar surge
Is there a drone empire?
terse lava
No
cedar surge
Dissapointed
cedar surge
Can a mantis drop from orbit like a scarab?
full forge
Good question. It does have what looks like thrusters...
cedar surge
Mantis highjacking a banished scarab when?
Without smart AIs you couldn't have cut that CSO in half at the ark or infiltrated covenant systems
gilded mason
It was a CAS, not a CSO
cedar surge
Yea the unsc is going to use less smart AIs but you can't just throw them away
Was it?
gilded mason
Yes
gilded mason
That's their only difference
cedar surge
The covenant were feeling lazy at that time
Is the infinity the only class that stands up to the CAS?
Is the SoF not capable of scavenging the CAS's slipspace engine? The unsc has done it before
gilded mason
Probably?
lethal comet
Is the SoF not capable of scavenging the CAS's slipspace engine? The unsc has done it before
SoF is nearly half a century old
carmine sleet
The age of the Spirit of Fire isn't the problem. It's whether or not they can find the slipspace drive of the Enduring Conviction and make sure it works after the destruction of the Enduring Conviction
cedar surge
Well the conviction only got beheaded not destroyed
lethal comet
critical sys tems can still get damaged
jolly furnace
I imagine the SoF crew could find a Forerunner slipspace drive on the Ark
Difficulty then would integrating it with SoF'systems
lethal comet
without prof anders it is very unlikely
raw moon
Isabel might be able to, but she's a logistics AI
so im not sure how well she would be able to assist in it
jolly furnace
Hmm yeah I dunno if any UNSC AI would understand a Forerunner drive's innerworkings enough to hook one up to a UNSC ship.
You'd probably need Huragok
or a Forerunner Ancilla
Maybe a potential Contender class AI fragment in a potential desert tomb on the Ark could do it?
Hint, hint 343i.
pale zephyr
inb4 Locke is medicant.
jolly furnace
What?
carmine sleet
Locke isn't going to turn out to be Mendicant. That would make zero sense
jolly furnace
I didn't sorry
I just hope 343i uses Mendican bias somewhere down the line. I mean part of him should be on the Ark
So he could be used to hep resolve the conflict there.
And get the SoF crew off the Ark and into the fight in the wider galaxy.
carmine sleet
I wish we knew who allowed the SoF to reach the Ark
raw moon
i thought it was Mendican bias?
small path
Have we ever seen any Canon image of a precursor structure?
I've always been interested in what they would look like
limpid meadow
Yes. We see a visualization of Star Roads in Halo Mythos.
carmine sleet
i thought it was Mendican bias?
Speculated but never confirmed that Mendicant brought them to the Ark
round comet
hey where did that goonies crossover guy go
limpid meadow
There's also a visualization of a city on Charrum Hakkor but those could easily be ancient Human structures.
raw moon
i really need to catch up on my lore
round comet
miss the guy
small path
Huh that looks cool. They look very tentacle like
Or maybe ribbon/ filament like, since precursor architecture is aparrently silver
terse lava
And to think the star roads we see are not the true thing, but shadows of the real star roads
terse lava
That actually happened in Silentium. A flood infected world was pulled towards and crushed by a yarn-ball like group of star roads. It was done so to pull in a small ship the didact had been on nearby
sharp adder
Well he was one of the most important forunners in the war
sharp adder
And indestructible apart from halo array
versed helm
Has flip music ever been referenced outside of CE?
carmine sleet
In some novels, can't remember which ones off the top of my head
versed helm
Looks like it was referenced in the two books I haven't read. Also, thank you.
obsidian thistle
(I will make this page better soon-ish)
versed helm
What do you have planned?
versed helm
I... I care.
small path
The fact that the halo array got rid of most precursor stuff makes me sad
Would love to see some ingame at some stage
But to do that you'd have to have it set outside of the milky way
terse lava
Eh who knows, may be precursor stuff deep within the forerunner capital
stiff creek
Isn't the capital like...
not there anymore?
small path
Idk what happened to it
I guess if precursor stuff was ever built around and contained then you could just say it was shielded from the worst of the halo array
Is charum hakkor still around?
stiff creek
Don't think so.
small path
Cos I'm getting the vibe that we might start to get some ancient human stuff. I could be way off here but isn't the ring in infinite heavily featured in the forerunner saga?
small path
Plus we have what could be ancient human writing on the cave in the first trailer
Just had a look and there's nothing on charum hakkor being destroyed. All the precursor stuff is gone but I'd bet there's human ruins
terse lava
The Capital is of course still there. It was simply heavily damaged during battle. Bornsteller and some other forerunners went there a century after the array fires to try and restart the domain
radiant sigil
Hiya
i have a question:
Between Halo 3/4 and 5, where did all the Spartans come from? Locke, Buck, Kelly, etc.
And if they were there, why werent they involved in the Span of the first 3 Halo-Games?
(Haven't read the books, those might explain it though.)
gilded mason
For Kelly, Linda, and Fred
CE: Linda was clinically dead in cryo on the Pillar of Autumn, rest stuck on Reach
2: Doing other missions around Earth
3: Stuck on Onyx
small path
The pod the primordial was in would still be there too
gilded mason
For the Spartan IVs, technology marched on, so they were able to augment adults now. (Though with less potent stuff)
terse lava
@small path that was on Charrum Hakkor, capital of the ancient human/San Shyuum alliance. Not the forerunner capital world which was a massive construct the size of jupiter
jolly furnace
Charum Hakkor is still around. Its a planet. The human/San'Shyuum and precursor structures on it our in ruins
decimated by war and Halo pulse
small path
@terse lava I was on about charum hakkor
jolly furnace
Maethrillian is probably still around, but its in bits
decimated by war an Halo pusle
Seein a pattern now
small path
Would love to visit both maethrillian and charum hakkor in a game at some point
jolly furnace
Well we may in MP in future
Simulations that is
Maethrillian has story potential
with Abaddon and being Domain central
Charum Hakkor not so much for modern stories
terse lava
Had not noticed that, but yes Charrum hakkor would just be covered in human and precursor ruins
gilded mason
Well, not precursor ones
small path
There'd at least be the stasis pod the primordial was in
Unfortunately I don't see a story reason to go there though
jolly furnace
Any precursor ruins are either vaporised or burnt to slag
Halo array firing may not affect already destroyed precursor architecture/tech
since its no longer quasi-alive by that point
Heck a Halo pulse isn't even garanteed to utterly destroy a Precursor structure
as Silentium showed
small path
Plus the pod completely survived the firing since its presumably encased in human tech
jolly furnace
A firing of zeta halo at a massive precursor structure during the battle of the greater ark damaged it but didnt stop the structure from moving forward to the Ark or working fully
The Capsule i think was wrecked or broken open
iF i recall right
small path
That makes the flood returning kinda scary, if some star roads survived
jolly furnace
The capsule was destroyed when the Forerunners tested Halo Installation 07 at Charum Hakkor. However, the Primordial survived and was transported to the ring under Master Builder Faber's orders.[5]
terse lava
Well in silentium they hold the srray firing until most precursor relics or in real space. Not all
terse lava
There could be inert rel ku vs just floating around now
jolly furnace
As for the structures in background of this, i dont think they are Precursor
they dont resmeble tthe description from cryptum
small path
Plus if there was ever a flood outbreak in another galaxy (surely it'd just take one ship leaving the milky way?) there's a chance that precursor tech could become a problem. Maybe that'd be a way to reintroduce the flood in a way that makes them even more of a threat
west silo
Kinda cool that the star roads we see are actually there shadows that materialize in this dimension
jolly furnace
I mean the flood had ample time to leave the galaxy and spread away from the MWG twice
terse lava
Yep, the real precursor relics are perfectly fine
jolly furnace
Unless the Array pulse affects those dimensions too
west silo
Plus if there was ever a flood outbreak in another galaxy (surely it'd just take one ship leaving the milky way?) there's a chance that precursor tech could become a problem. Maybe that'd be a way to reintroduce the flood in a way that makes them even more of a threat
@small path
Galaxy level flood is game over
small path
So as far as we know andromeda or somewhere could be completely infested
terse lava
Doubt that
jolly furnace
we dont know
small path
Or its been taking over for a while. Itd be... Hard to fight that though so maybe not lol
terse lava
Any floodcursors would have to deal with wither A. A race who actually holds the mantle or B. Actual precursors
Remember we are never told the precursors in the milky way were many. They could have been just the equalivlent of a small group of scientists
jolly furnace
Any floodcursors would have to deal with wither A. A race who actually holds the mantle - which may not be an issue if such a race isn't on their level of tech
If they are then yes a potential issue
But we have no proof either way and likely never will of the flood's reach
terse lava
Maybe
jolly furnace
or of anything going on outside MWG
I dont see modern halo going to other galaxies
terse lava
Agreed, ar best only in flashbacks
small path
So whilst we're on this topic, there's something that's always confused me
Was the primordial a gravemind, or a precursor? Or like somewhere in between?
terse lava
A precursor who, to survive deep time, was heavily mutated. His mind released when his body was finally destroyed by bornsteller, and it took over the flood
gilded mason
Yes
small path
And the mausoleum suite message too
jolly furnace
I wonder if Bradley dee baker should voice Primordial pre-gravemind or someone else
I'd love to hear and see a gravemind's persona prior to Primordial becoming part of it
small path
I'd imagine they'd sound a bit different
jolly furnace
I mean i can think of a couple of VAs for Primordial besides baker
gilded mason
And the mausoleum suite message too```
I think that one is Mendicant BiasI wandered the earth seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God and man.
This part fits MB much more than Gravemind
Full thing:
Time has no end, no beginning, no purpose.
I wandered the earth seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God and man.
I live to see death and destruction. Evil over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished.
I live in a prison of my own demise. I am lost in time. ```Yeah you're right that line does fit him more
jolly furnace
The GM one is about earth falling and humans and elites dying
gilded mason
Yeah
small path
Hopefully he turns up at some point
humble yacht
I personally would rather see MB remain dead
i think dying on the ring to keep it stable while chief escaped was a fitting end to him
jolly furnace
I dont think he's' confirmed dead to start with
humble yacht
retroactively his status was made "unknown" but it's pretty clear in the final H3 terminal that he expected to die and was fine with it
jolly furnace
And honestly we;d need an AI powerful enough to contend with Skynet cortana
MB could be that
even if only a fragment
thus he wont be too OP
cos lets face it full MB would wreck modern Halo
factions
small path
Would get some nice insight from him too probably
Not sure how they could make a forerunner AI be enjoyable to have around though. It strikes me as if they'd be kinda... Idk
stiff creek
Mendicant seems pretty neat.
Definitely a poet.
Probably has a personality.
small path
If he was stuck in cheif's head I could imagine him being a bit irritable lol
stiff creek
Oh, in that situation, definitely.
small path
Plus if he's a fragment he doesn't have to be all there
stiff creek
Right.
small path
It could be cool to see chief have to deal with an AI that is kinda hard to get on with, totally different to how it was with cortana
stiff creek
Spark.
terse lava
There's always offensive bias
humble yacht
I have a feeling that OB dismantled itself after completing it's mission
small path
Tbh I don't know much about him
humble yacht
it was built specifically to defeat MB
it's like the butter robot from Rick and Morty
fair hazel
Not all of us watch that
terse lava
Better example would be think of a machine that is programmed for a singular task
humble yacht
that's the butter robot
terse lava
Yea but as Erickyboo said, not everyone watches Rick and Morty
humble yacht
that applies to any media
fair hazel
I don’t.
terse lava
I doubt OB is gone though
He was the only ancilla we know of that resisted the logic plague
humble yacht
As MB said, his worst folly was his capacity (unintentional as it was) to choose the flood
OB was purposefully made with less personality and creativity and given a one-track mind so that it wouldn't have that same weakness
feral perch
Offensive Bias best boi
small path
So he was closer to what we'd term a dumb ai?
Not in terms of power but freedom and behaviour I mean
stiff creek
I guess you can say that.
humble yacht
He was capable of making very complex decisions but only when it came to fighting MB
terse lava
Part of me doubts that's the sole reason he was exempt from the plague. If it so easy to do that, one would think they would just do it with every ancilla or monitor. Even sentinels fell to the LP
feral perch
He lured Flood vessels in and fired a tactical pulse from a Halo that wiped out both the Flood and surviving Forerunner warrior-servants onboard all vessels, didn’t he?
humble yacht
well the plague was retroactively added anyway so it's likely that greg bear didn't think to fully mesh together that with how OB was previously depicted
terse lava
True, and he didn't fore a tactical pulse. He bought time until the halo array fired
humble yacht
yeah OB counted on MB not taking the battle seriously and drew it out long enough for the Halos to remove all the flood controlled ships from MB's fleet
the fact that MB was capable of a sense of arrogance made him closer to a real intelligence but ultimately was another weakness
feral perch
Aah
humble yacht
MB was like Agent Smith while OB was more like the Architect
terse lava
Willing to bet also thanks to the warrior servants in the fleet as well. Living forerunners for MB, bait
humble yacht
unless the forerunner trilogy breaks down the specifics of how that fight went, I don't think MB was too concerned with converting OB's forces
welp
just reread the terminal
MB did convert his forces
terse lava
Not converting to flood no, but taking his rage out on them
wicked sand
I’ve never heard of Ado ‘Ulamee. What’s that elite’s story?
terse lava
Why does everyone keep thinking that?
carmine sleet
That's a great question
wicked sand
It seems like a real elite name
wicked sand
That’s why people ask.
terse lava
Just puzzled as I almost never see anyone ask other sangheili fans..except Ostral once
humble yacht
You're the only dino fan I know who's name was crafted in the style of sangheili culture
terse lava
Or maybe amused would be a better word
humble yacht
Ostral's username doesn't inspire feelings of sangheili culture
terse lava
Oof, poor Ostral
I guess, I was quite passionate about them...though not as far as Vien
west silo
Is dimkey howta canon
humble yacht
nah, it's good because it clearly shows Ostral is a fan rather than pretending to be an actual elite
which is wierd
west silo
Not as weird as writing a love letter to palmer
terse lava
Outside of a few jokes I dont try to be a sangheili, obviously human
humble yacht
that's good
terse lava
Although...I have seen people take it weirdly far
humble yacht
RP in general is pretty weird outside of certain context
like if you're playing D&D it makes sense
terse lava
Yea
I just happen to like the sangheili/covenant culture. Using their covenant names is a bit of fun I like
Anyway, think the Creates will only remain a threat through Infinite or into the next game?
carmine sleet
I have a feeling they'll want to wrap that threat up as fast as possible given the reaction to them. And by that, I mean they'll be the big bad of Infinite and defeated by the end, not a "killed off in the first mission"
last anchor
They learned from Jul. That much is for sure.
carmine sleet
Indeed
last anchor
We MIGHT get Hyperious out of the picture about like, 2/3rds through but Cortana, however we handle her, is going to be this games Maw, Great Journy, or Halo.
The truly last fight.
It just seems RIGHT
mellow thorn
Jul's covenant remnant is dead, now lies the BANISHED
we shall see what theyre capable of in a fps
gilded mason
Sounds like you don't know the main man himself, Vien.
limpid meadow
There are still Covenant remnants running around.
terse lava
Yea, we still have Luro's group and hundreds of others
343 never has to worry about running out of covenant
last anchor
Unless they do something stupid like glassing Sangheilios itself. But even then...
Hesderos still exists.
Bunch of other colonies
gilded mason
And the thousands of other planets
terse lava
And plenty of other worlds and colonies
last anchor
Ye. And something tells me the Sangheili aren't just gonna sit down and chill.
They're warriors. They gotta fight somebody.
The Human-Covenant War ended and they started fighting themselves almost instantly
gilded mason
That's a bit reductive, don'tcha think?
Since there's legitmate reasons for grievances. They didn't do it on a lark
terse lava
Well only 2-4 ministries were active in the war. Rather small portion of the empire actually fought humanity
gilded mason
After all there's many, many, billions of Elites. It'd be impossible for all of them to be in the military, let alone fighting humans
terse lava
Mhm
last anchor
I see you too talking and I cant help but imagine that "Kermit and that dude nodding at each other" gif
gilded mason
lol
jolly furnace
One thing that is now a mystery retroactively i why MB didn't use Star roads in his battle with OB
Only explanation i have is the flood withdrew them from him so to ensure the forerunners would fire the array and wipe out domain knowledge
the final revenge
terse lava
Either that or Mendicant saw this as personal and wanted to "earn" it himself
terse lava
Likely
Or maybe even a command by the gravemind disguised as such. "You must win this fight on your own"
limpid meadow
Only explanation i have is the flood withdrew them from him so to ensure the forerunners would fire the array and wipe out domain knowledge
@jolly furnace Is there any reasons to suspect MB didn't have Star Roads at his disposal?
terse lava
Because OB'd record, and later in Silentium make no mention of any present at the battle
limpid meadow
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
terse lava
In this case I would disagree
The roads were of such danger there would have been a mention by OB in his report to Bornsteller
gilded mason
How would MB even control them? I thought only the Gravemind could
terse lava
Believe so, MB just controlled forerunner fleets
west silo
Didn't the halo fire killing all graveminds that could control them?
limpid meadow
And destroyed the Star Roads themselves, yeah.
rose vault
Didn't the halo fire killing all graveminds that could control them?
@west silo what did you say?
limpid meadow
He's asking whether the Halo array would kill the Gravemind which was controlling the Star Roads.
west silo
@west silo what did you say?
@rose vault
Kill me or release me parasite
versed helm
Stop that please.
west silo
INTO MY MOUTH
@rose vault
Eww
versed helm
People come to this channel to discuss lore.
terse lava
.......what the?
jolly furnace
@limpid meadow Apologies on late reply. If MB had star roads in that fight with OB, he would have easily won before the Array fired as the Roads would render OB's feet useless as Silentium shows in that one battle were it begins with Roads shutting down a forerunner fleet and well thats it for the fleet
terse lava
But yes the halos killed the gravemind bodies, but the "prime gravemind," the one whom was the primordial himself. His mind is now just without a body until a new gravemind forma
jolly furnace
So I think he didnt have them at his disposal
west silo
But yes the halos killed the gravemind bodies, but the "prime gravemind," the one whom was the primordial himself. His mind is now just without a body until a new gravemind forma
@terse lava
Oh I know I just that because only the graveminds and keymiinds would be able to control the star roads
jolly furnace
Oh crap, GM is in the chat. Run before he logic plagues you....
jolly furnace
Logic plague can be software based
west silo
The brute leader from retribution is still alive right
rose vault
i think so
terse lava
Hm, I do wonder if the gravemind on delta halo was the first since the forerunner flood war, or if previous flood outbreaks managed to build graveminds, only to have them killed
west silo
Hm, I do wonder if the gravemind on delta halo was the first since the forerunner flood war, or if previous flood outbreaks managed to build graveminds, only to have them killed
@terse lava
Didn't he pop up like a few thousand years after the halo arry. Fired
jolly furnace
Yeah that outbreak happened not long after Array fired
limpid meadow
The Outbreak happened soon after the Array fired, but the Gravemind would have likely taken a while to form after that.
gilded mason
Oh, Tangent...you huge goober
rose vault
?
humble yacht
the laziest monitor
west silo
2401 Penitive Tangent
@terse lava
The lazyest monitor ever
jolly furnace
I assume it took a while to form GM on 05 cos didnt spark say he recieved weird messages from tangent over a period of 3000 years or something between 100,000 - 40,000 BCE
terse lava
Yes?...some reason I was tagged?
gilded mason
Yes?...some reason I was tagged?```
Quoting somebody automatically tags the person quotedSorry
terse lava
All good
hardy axle
I’m a games and novels guy, I’ve skipped all the comic or ancillary books like the halo encyclopaedia. However I picked up halo: mythos recently because it looked like more of an art book. Wow, what a great book, such a good summary of the whole timeline up to 5.
Finally I learnt what happened to the Janis key and it was hilarious! She gets both halves, goes to the absolute record and the Ancilla of the facility deems her unworthy and rescinds the key 😂
gilded mason
Yes, it was...pretty bad
main siren
A lot of the story arcs in Halo Escalation felt like it was going nowhere. And even when they do, they end it abruptly
terse lava
Would have chuckled more I'd that ancilla just popped by sanghelios and given the Janus Key to Thel
rotund lintel
Could Johnson wear Mjolnir?
humble yacht
probably not
without proper augs, one could not correctly control MJOLNIR and using it would probably rip a non-spartan apart
spiral jewel
Gen 1... Highly Unlikely
Gen 2 and Gen 3... Probably but who knows
small path
Is halo mythos worth it?
hardy axle
Worth it for art alone, seeing what a san shyuum warrior looks like was unexpected
obsidian thistle
Mythos is what I'd say is the best primer to Halo fiction since Halo Legends Origins.
Though Origins is the more easier to digest one.
terse lava
Wait, when did we see a san shyuum warrior in there
versed helm
is there a expanded universe for halo?
humble yacht
yes
gilded mason
It was the page for the events covered in Shadow of Intent
humble yacht
several novels, comics, and webseries
versed helm
i bet one twinke that halo is in between halo 2-3
vague scroll
twinkle?
humble yacht
what's a twinke?
vague scroll
^
versed helm
yes
vague scroll
ah
humble yacht
you spelled it wrong
humble yacht
don't get mad when people don't understand what you mean when you spell something wrong 
terse lava
Also what do you mean set between halo 2 and halo 3
versed helm
nevermind
humble yacht
the only Halo set between 2 and 3 is Halo 3 ODST
last anchor
Theres a theoretical definition for Twinke but Im not writing it here
terse lava
I chuckled more then I should have at that. Why Orca why
last anchor
That wasnt me, the tiny stuffed Flood form over my computer fell down and bounced on my keyboard
terse lava
Speaking of pod injectors I wonder. They are cannon fodder, yet some some type of base mind. On death, would that mind just be brought back into the hivemind proper, to be put in a new flood form or just cease to exist?
terse lava
Base as in animal instinct
last anchor
Nah, I think it just expires. But even when an infection form "dies", its biomass is still viable. If, say, something eats it (or it soaks into the ground through rain) it can start up a blightland.
FSC is fully mutable, changable, and overriding of any and all things it comes into contact with. Nothing is wasted among the Flood, not even dying forms.
Also despite what the game shows they dont explode cleanly; theres a panel from the graphic novel that does a way better job of showing what happens when they die, as does the opening scene of the level Beachhead in HW1
humble yacht
basic instinct isn't something partitioned from the hivemind, it'll be an inherent part of each FSC
built in programming
west silo
One thing is that always gets to me is that Spartans can effectively see in the dark but still use flashlights that could give away there position even when there alone.
I don't it just always rubbed my the wrong way
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
gameplay != canon
also maybe due to them being in their suits
their eyes wouldn't be collecting ambient light directly
small path
Or maybe literally everywhere is already really dark haha
cedar surge
Does the army have heavier weapons and armor than the marines?
delicate notch
What
wide mulch
Is there an equivalent to the Silent Shadows for the Jiralhanae? I thought I saw one a while ago in some comic, but I can't remember if it was just a stalker or something different
delicate notch
Jiralhanae commandos?
wide mulch
Maybe it was one of them (I just looked him up), thought there might've been something else, but probably not. At least not until Infinite
versed helm
Maybe Stalkers? That's a stretch though.
terse lava
Stalkers would be accurate as a group of them, called the Blood Stars, worked under and for a silent shadow first blade
cedar surge
Has the unsc pushed covenant remnants out of all the outer colonies?
versed helm
The Elites did.
cedar surge
So basically the unsc has most of its original territory back just many planets glassed?
versed helm
I'm unsure about that.
delicate notch
The glassing was pretty exaggerated, the cov basically just glassed the major cities and the surroundings. Glassing an entire planet would take months.
west silo
The glassing was pretty exaggerated, the cov basically just glassed the major cities and the surroundings. Glassing an entire planet would take months.
@delicate notch
Tell that to reach
I hate this myth
gilded mason
Reach wasn't fully glassed either according to current canon
west silo
Reach wasn't fully glassed either according to current canon
@gilded mason
Only the place where forerunner tech was not glassed
craggy sierra
Uh...don’t think so. Unless there was forerunner tech under that random field Noble 6 got murked in.
gilded mason
There are also surviving settlements and space elevators that weren't hit.
craggy sierra
Covenant just go after city centres and supply resources like farms and stuff. They’re not going to just burn down the rainforest just because.
delicate notch
+1
west silo
Uh...don’t think so. Unless there was forerunner tech under that random field Noble 6 got murked in.
@craggy sierra
Wasn't that explained by humanity reteraforming reach
craggy sierra
Not that I’m aware
west silo
He's helmet on the other hand I have no idea
craggy sierra
Covenant don’t glass every inch of a planet. If there’s a random place out in the middle of nowhere with like 20 people that doesn’t serve as a supply chain for some resource they’re probably going to ignore it.
west silo
Not that I’m aware
@craggy sierra
Also that scene takes place in 2600 or some far off time
craggy sierra
It was 2580 I think
west silo
Covenant don’t glass every inch of a planet. If there’s a random place out in the middle of nowhere with like 20 people that doesn’t serve as a supply chain for some resource they’re probably going to ignore it.
@craggy sierra
Oh no only if its important or has a sizable population
craggy sierra
So about 20 years from where the canon currently sits
Yeah 6 died out in the middle of a field. His helmet never got glassed.
west silo
It's a mystery alright
craggy sierra
Not really. It’s as simple as “the covenant just don’t glass everything outside of population centres and key points of interest.”
west silo
Not really. It’s as simple as “the covenant just don’t glass everything outside of population centres and key points of interest.”
@Wafflesauce#
Let's agree to disagree