Yea I know
#lore-and-universe
craggy sierra
It's like being attached to a brick
deep pewter
This fan base has a weird obsession with shells
coarse hedge
People are gonna feel attached to a role they played as
vague scroll
^
cedar surge
It felt like it was written by a kid who just saw endgame
deep pewter
There’s no reason to attach to B312
craggy sierra
I really don't agree with the philosophy that Halo protagonists are us because Halo fails at actually sticking to that concept
vague scroll
It’s okay to not like player characters, it’s okay to like them to
craggy sierra
They speak with voices that aren't our own and they have cutscenes framing them in the 3rd person
vague scroll
Rookie’s death was unexpected but it gave Alpha-9 a strong reason to move forward
deep pewter
“Oh it’s you” but represents none of the emotions I feel playing and comes across as a literal noncharacter
cedar surge
All that "leak" needed was to slap the flood somehow getting on reach and it would be perfect
craggy sierra
If Halo tried to be Half-Life with its protagonists it failed the moment chief opened his mouth
coarse hedge
The thing with Six is this, much of Sixes backstory is covered in black ink. We know he/she worked for ONI, but that's it. It gives plenty of wiggle room for people to see themselves as Six, because they can write their own stories leading up to Reach.
deep pewter
Fan fiction isn’t a good way to build a character in my eyes
craggy sierra
I like my characters to emote
cedar surge
Yea that hyper lethal thing
coarse hedge
It's a very tight boarder to walk on in character development
deep pewter
Hyper lethal was the dumbest part of Reach’s story
coarse hedge
And very easy to fall to either side
deep pewter
And that’s saying a lot
versed helm
It wasn’t part of the actual narrative
craggy sierra
I like Bayonetta for her on-screen antics and up beat and cocky attitude. I don't like her because I am intrinsically a pole dancer who is immersed with her.
cedar surge
You what?
deep pewter
It was an aspect of Reach’s story though
versed helm
It was just a cool explanation for why six and Chief are so good at everything
vague scroll
Let’s put it this way in a broader context @craggy sierra Reach was supposed to be the last halo game for all intents and purposes, at least with Bungie at its helm. For them and the player base, Noble Six is an embodiment of the fan base - a send off for the player because they helped build this franchise. Six’s story is a recognition of the player’s role in making Halo a grand story spanning a decade. Now it’s permanently cemented in the fiction that the player literally played that role. They made sure Chief and Cortana made it to Halo, discovered its secrets and defeated the Covenant. We did our part to contribute to Halo.
deep pewter
And to people anywhere near in the know of Halos overall story it was bewilderingly nonsensical
coarse hedge
@vague scroll Amen brother
vague scroll
Hyper Lethal was never actually mentioned in the game only the reveal trailer
craggy sierra
Reach is my least favourite game mostly for a lot of those reasons
cedar surge
Was there really a whole site saying that reach wasn't canon?
deep pewter
Hyper Lethal was still canon, and still is canon but thankfully fixed by 343i
vague scroll
That’s fine, nothing wrong with that assessment
craggy sierra
If anything I'd say that Reach's story almost does a dis-service to Halo's narratives that came before it
versed helm
I love reach but I just get really annoyed with the reach fans and I’m sick of seeing its designs everywhere
vague scroll
@cedar surge there is but it was created mostly because it disregarded Fall of Reach
But Bungie and Nylund didn’t originally get along about lore so they chose to ignore it
deep pewter
Which is one of my biggest problems with Bungie
coarse hedge
Reachs' story is just a slice of the overall battle for Reach
deep pewter
Their selfish nature
vague scroll
I’m not sure I can fault Bungie for it
deep pewter
I can
versed helm
It’s not selfish it’s just practical
vague scroll
The books were forced on them
coarse hedge
It just happens that it was the most prominent slice because it kicked off Halo: CE
deep pewter
Bungie was incredibly selfish with Halo
versed helm
The games should always come before the books
deep pewter
Go look up what they called Halo Wars
vague scroll
I like the lore but Bungie also wanted halo to be their vision
deep pewter
I legitimately feel sorry for Ensemble
craggy sierra
Like I've been playing through the MCC with a friend who's previous Halo games were only Reach and H4 and H2 blew his mind at the parts where it actually began characterizing the covenant. He straight up didn't realize that the "Covenant" was named that literally because of a religious faith and Reach fails to even say any element of complexity existed on the Covenant's behalf.
vague scroll
Part of their deal with Microsoft is that Microsoft would handle all branding and marketing for the games
versed helm
What happened to ensemble wasn’t bungie’s fault by any means
deep pewter
Reach gives the player no reason to even care for the planet
craggy sierra
He just straight up said "Reach just isn't a Halo game is it?"
cedar surge
Huh. I watched act man review and learned that Bungie treated ensemble poorly
vague scroll
Since Microsoft ultimately bought the game lisence
coarse hedge
If you're going into Reach without prior knowledge and basing it off prior games, then yes, it's going to feel out of place.
vague scroll
I’m not so sure if that’s true or not but i haven’t done enough research to confirm or deny that @cedar surge
versed helm
Bungie was upset with Microsoft giving halo to another studio but they didn’t hate ensemble
coarse hedge
But at the point Reach came out, most fans were in deep with the lore and knew of Reach
craggy sierra
And that's why I hated Reach
vague scroll
I actually feel like I cared about reach a lot compared to TFOR
deep pewter
And a lot of fans were livid when Reach wholly ignored the lore
craggy sierra
Because it didn't even to try to capture any of the narrative intrigue of the other games
terse lava
Those were amusing days
vague scroll
I was given more time to explore that world and environments made or feel real
versed helm
A few bungie employees(like Marty O’Donnell) even helped with wars
craggy sierra
It was "Come gather around kids, time to watch some cardboard cut outs die"
vague scroll
Reach was my first actual Halo game though so that means I’m biased
coarse hedge
Because it was a side of Halo that most of the games never covered; The struggle for a planet and the fight for survival
vague scroll
That said I prefer Reach’s month long campaign over TFOR’s Reach fell in a single day
cedar surge
I think act man put it best. The story of reach is more about the setting than characters
deep pewter
Reach’s month long campaign is nonsensical
versed helm
Yeah reach falling in a day is really boring tbh
cedar surge
Maybe a few weeks
craggy sierra
Because it was a side of Halo that most of the games never covered; The struggle for a planet and the fight for survival
The thing is it would've been a lot more interesting if we were in the role of a character who felt any degree of investment in the apocalypse happening
vague scroll
See all fans have a different assessment on the story, no argument is right or wrong
It’s just a matter of preference
craggy sierra
But Noble 6 and hell literally all of Noble team treat it like another day on the job
versed helm
Because the game spends huge amounts of time setting up reach and showing the player what they are fighting for and against, what’s at stake
cedar surge
Having reach fall in a single day never made sense to me
deep pewter
And have no attachment to the planet outside of Jorge
coarse hedge
Cause to them, it was another day on the job.
craggy sierra
Despite the fact that Reach was meant to be a major hallmark loss in the lore
coarse hedge
They had plenty of experience prior to Reach
craggy sierra
It was literally Kat's first glassing
coarse hedge
Up close
cedar surge
You have millions of soldiers and a bunch of Spartans defending reach and it falls in a day?
versed helm
They’re SPARTANS they’re supposed to be professional
vague scroll
Kat was barely a toddler when her planet was lost
craggy sierra
Reach the game actually takes place over 38 days
cedar surge
Not to mention a fleet and defense mac platforms
deep pewter
It was the largest fleet humanity had seen
craggy sierra
And I don't care if they're Spartans or not
versed helm
Yeah I like having it take a month much better
deep pewter
The planet rightfully fell in a day
craggy sierra
If the characters don't care about what's happening. I don't care what's happening.
deep pewter
Instead of the fleet just twiddling it’s thumbs for weeks
versed helm
I love half life but I hate the fact that the war for earth was only seven hours... so boring
vague scroll
I will give you that there’s a weird time skip between exodus and long night of solace where Six spends a week in the wilderness
craggy sierra
I mean the 7 hour war is meant to only be a background detail
deep pewter
That time skip kills Reach’s momentum
versed helm
Yeah but it’s still kinda lame
cedar surge
Unless millions of covenant were charging the unsc lines all at once I don't believe they would fall in. Day
vague scroll
But if you compare the timelines the TFOR and Reach line up now for the most part
deep pewter
And is one of the many aspects that just takes me out of the story
cedar surge
Plus its a entire planet
craggy sierra
I mean idk how it's lame. It's literally just meant to convey a background detail in literally being called the 7 hour war
vague scroll
Most people didn’t notice @deep pewter so it’s hard to argue that it took momentum out of the story
versed helm
Would you rather watch six walk around in the woods for a week? @deep pewter
craggy sierra
Anyways back to me complaining about characters in reach
vague scroll
Time skips are common literary devices
coarse hedge
The thing I liked about Reach is this; It showed you the side of Halo that was never covered aside from literature. You fought for the planet. Operation: Uppercut was a hail mary. Drastic measures were taken to beat back the Covenant. You evacuated civilians from a besieged city, only to watch a few transports get shot down. And despite all that you were doing, you could see the Covenant glassing everything in the distance.
And at the end of it all, on a graveyard of a planet, you stand alone for one final fight. Cause you have a job to do, and by hell you're going down swinging.
cedar surge
We never see six walk around in the woods for a week
vague scroll
You only really notice if you were paying close attention to time stamps
craggy sierra
Reach could have very easily worked in the fact that Spartans try to remain professional as a way to show more character. Have cracks in their emotional armour begin showing as the situation gets more desperate. Have them bicker and disagree about proper courses of action.
cedar surge
Fighting for a few weeks or more makes it feel like the unsc fought as hard as it could even faced with overwhelming odds
deep pewter
@versed helm I’d rather the time skip not happen at all, I don’t know why you think seeing Six trek that would’ve helped with my problem
versed helm
Eh idk, I just feel like having the war for earth at least be a few months would add so much potential for expanding the half life universe @craggy sierra
craggy sierra
Oh boy here we go
versed helm
Lol sorry that conversation already died my bad
coarse hedge
We got tid bits of that bickering with dialogue from Jun and Kat with Carter as we got farther into the game.
deep pewter
The covenant had to literally just sit there for weeks to make the story make sense
craggy sierra
Background details to a universe do not always exist as a hook to just make infinite prequel games out of
Halo's setup of a 25 year ongoing alien war was not made to just fill a 25 year period of time in canon with game narratives
cedar surge
The unsc fighting in the ground are more equal to the covenant than in space
craggy sierra
It was meant to be a background detail to set the stage of the games that were to come
coarse hedge
You had auxiliary media filling in the details
craggy sierra
In much the same way the 7 hour war was
vague scroll
Glassing a planet is hard work @deep pewter
cedar surge
Plus wouldn't it be strange that other colonies could figjt for weeks maybe even years but reach fell in a day?
terse lava
Well unlike the 7 hour war, there was plenty of story telling possibility
vague scroll
It takes a long time and a serious effort
cedar surge
Its supposed to be the second most defended planet
vague scroll
Meridian’s defense lasted 3 years
versed helm
Oh yeah I know, which is why I think it could be cool if earth fell to the combine in a least a few months... maybe a year at most
craggy sierra
Half-Life's story isn't about the 7 hour war, shouldn't be about the 7 hour war, and never will be about the 7 hour war. It doesn't matter if the 7 hour war was the 7 month war it would not matter.
still ibex
Reach was humanities largest military stronghold besides earth or whatever so it wouldn’t have made sense to fall within a day
terse lava
Well there's also the thing that we sont k ow thr Covenant strength for Meridian
craggy sierra
It would be an event in the past that is not meant to be exposited on in the games
cedar surge
We also know that on the ground the unsc had a way better fighting chance
Like how the unsc took back harvest from the covenant
terse lava
Again, you got the fall of reach in a book with details. Something the 7 hour war didnt have
coarse hedge
Five years later
versed helm
And I’m not trying to say that either, I’m just saying that we could have really cool story possibilities for that time period if there was more room to tell those stories
craggy sierra
But Half-Life didn't want to tell those stories so it wouldn't matter
terse lava
Mhm
coarse hedge
Half-Life was hyper focused on one story
versed helm
I know, I’m just saying it could
cedar surge
Everything started with reach
craggy sierra
Background lore details are not free licenses for prequels.
Sometimes that's all they are, just details.
coarse hedge
Gotta know where it all began to understand where we're at
terse lava
From a real life narrative it started with rech
coarse hedge
Ah, then yeah
cedar surge
Plus the covenant gave reach a great BBQ
versed helm
I mean chief’s fps story starts with the end of reach
coarse hedge
Just turn your camera as the Pelican is entering the hangar and there he is!
cedar surge
Plus how would the covenant defeated every single force across a entire planet
There would be holdouts
craggy sierra
The weird thing is that from what I gathered the events of Reach in Halo lore held a lot of significance and marked a devastating blow to Humanity with the loss of one of our most prominent colonies next to earth and was very emotional moment to humans in the war. That emotional impact should have been the driving force of Reach's story and it's not.
coarse hedge
That would require serious concentrated efforts.
cedar surge
Guerrilla war
craggy sierra
And that's what makes it fall flat for me
cedar surge
By the unsc and innies
coarse hedge
You also have to remember, Reach the game was just a small slice of the overall story of Reach
It was just the most prominent slice because of what it led up to
cedar surge
It should be impossible for the covenant to make reach fall in a single day
deep pewter
Reach does nothing to communicate that
craggy sierra
See I think I'd be more interested in what Noble was doing in their time off-screen in reach
deep pewter
It acts as if it’s the only story
craggy sierra
Like what conversations did they have after returning to base camp after fighting for days on end
coarse hedge
But we know it's not the only story
craggy sierra
Just anything to flesh out their characters
coarse hedge
And I agree, I would love smaller details like that
deep pewter
We know that, the average player that isn’t clued in won’t
vague scroll
Bungie ain’t perfect, they tried to tell a story - it has its fans and it’s critics
deep pewter
Most players probably didn’t even know a lot of SIIs died on Reach
vague scroll
Some stuff worked for other players while it didn’t work for others
cedar surge
Sure its the largest fleet but there are multiple forerunner artifacts which mean they have to land troops and means fighting the unsc on the ground.
vague scroll
Most players don’t know the distinction between 2s and 3s Tbf @deep pewter
coarse hedge
Like I said earlier, when Reach first came out, the fans knew what was going on. This new batch of players to Reach have no material to work with going into it all
vague scroll
And it’s been almost 10 years since Reach came out and the Nylund books 20
cedar surge
A lot probably think the difference is the suit
versed helm
I enjoy reach’s story because I like what it implies, for me the story isn’t about noble team, they’re simply vessels for us to experience the major events unfold
terse lava
Well we have seen the covenant plenty of times bring a planet and its population low while looking for relics
cedar surge
Also does anybody Remeber why ONI just left the sabre there?
vague scroll
I started with reach and then read FoR after so that was a decent introduction for me, though I admit there were times the game and book didn’t always quite line up
It helps in hindsight to know what made the differences exist
coarse hedge
What Sabre program 😉
cedar surge
Why not bring the sabre design me with you so you can replicate it
vague scroll
They didn’t leave the Sabre there Lance, it was an experimental fighter
cedar surge
We see its effectiveness
coarse hedge
Three administrations have dismissed such preposterous rumors.
vague scroll
The Broadsword does the same job and more
vague scroll
The broadsword is technically better so no need to replicate it
cedar surge
But the broadsword to me looks generic
versed helm
Lol the Sabre gets absolutely rekt by the seraph in forge world every time xD
vague scroll
The technologies that went into the Sabre eventually became part of the Broadsword
cedar surge
Run of the mill sci fi fighter
coarse hedge
Experimental designs don't always guarantee production. Believe me, look at a majority of Germany's designs during WWII
vague scroll
Such as standard issue energy shields
The broadsword design is probably not my favorite but I do like the sea turtle design profile
cedar surge
That hump is the only defining feature
vague scroll
Most American experimental aircraft never enter service either
coarse hedge
^
I only point out Germany because dear god they were trying anything and everything
But that's neither here nor there
vague scroll
https://www.halopedia.org/images/e/e0/H4_Broadsword_concept_art-2.jpg broadsword concept art looks kind of cool imo
i admit I'm not a big fan on stubby wings for the record
cedar surge
IK I just want to see sabres and other unsc fighters in a giant mosh pit of a fighter battle
versed helm
Usually I don’t like stubby wings but I think they look kinda nice on the broadsword
coarse hedge
Yeah, it's a Pelican that hit the gym everyday lol
cedar surge
Sure it looks nice. But it doesn't match the unsc for me
versed helm
Lol nothing in H4 and 5 match the OG UNSC
vague scroll
https://www.halopedia.org/images/c/c1/HTfS_gallery_Infinity.png this is some cool space fighter concept art with banshees and broadswords
coarse hedge
Welcome to four years of design advancement 😉
cedar surge
Can't really imagine this fighting along side a longsword or escorting a pelican
coarse hedge
It can be as a support fighter
vague scroll
the broadsword fills a particular role
it's an exoatmospheric fighter so it does both atmosphere and space
coarse hedge
Isn't it a ground pounder essentially?
vague scroll
the sabre is a space fighter so it can only do space stuff
it's more of a F/A-18 in modern terms
does just about everything
coarse hedge
Or a P-47 Thunderbolt if you want old school
cedar surge
Those banshees are lucky they don't get blown out of the sky by missiles
vague scroll
forge ain't canon 😛
banshees are absolutely terrifying outside of video game depictions
if you watch Landfall really closely, they're like a flying swarm of honeybees
coarse hedge
Banshees are essentially the Mitsubishi A6M Zero lol
vague scroll
zipping through the skies overhead in the dozens
coarse hedge
Fast, nimble, heavily armed
cedar surge
Shot down by unsc AA
cedar surge
Even?
coarse hedge
UNSC AA is also automated for the most part
vague scroll
they're using AA gatling guns, those things are putting out thousands of rounds per minute
cedar surge
When you put even you make the AA sound weak
vague scroll
in space they're rotary coilguns
coarse hedge
Just fill the sky with enough lead and you'll hit something eventually
vague scroll
on the ground they use traditional propellant
versed helm
xD @coarse hedge
coarse hedge
Ha ha UNSC AA go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT
cedar surge
How to make the local bird population 0
vague scroll
sorry, it's not like an AA turret is the end all be all
the Australians tried that against their Emu population
it didn't work
coarse hedge
Oh my god the Emu War
cedar surge
Ah yes
cedar surge
The emus caused Australia more problems than the covenant
vague scroll
lol
coarse hedge
Emus, the UNSCs' real terror
versed helm
oh no I hate it when conversations turn into “the emu war”
cedar surge
Emus vs moas
coarse hedge
Surprise, Moas are just the descendant of the Emu
cedar surge
But how
vague scroll
@versed helm yes
cedar surge
They are on different planets
fair hazel
i like the broadsword
cedar surge
I dont
coarse hedge
I'm being facetious
vague scroll
miniaturized nuclear fusion reactors are a staple of UNSC tech
@cedar surge species were transplanted from Earth to other colonies when they were terraformed
coarse hedge
That's the Sabre
cedar surge
:I
versed helm
The one in H4
cedar surge
Sabre just got disrespected
vague scroll
sabre's cool, just limited - I'd say the Longsword is my favorite Halo fighter... I'm weird like that
everyone likes the ones you can pilot, I like the one that I can live in
versed helm
They both have their place in the universe, maybe Sabres were used quite extensively in the battle of Reach
cedar surge
The broadsword is to generic for me. The broadsword looks like a generic wing flipped futuristic fighter
versed helm
Dude the longsword is my favorite halo vehicle @vague scroll
vague scroll
it's possible the program was just abandoned once the technology became more prevalent after the Covenant War
kind of like the YF-23 Black Widow or F-32 test demonstrator, they were fighters designed to be the next US stealth fighter but when they lost the competition - they were forgotten
cedar surge
The sabers are too cool to be left in the dust
vague scroll
even though they were good planes and proven designs
cedar surge
The longsword,shortsword got new designs
coarse hedge
The thing with fighter design is that it's always advancing and changing
vague scroll
hydrogen-based fuel cells @versed helm
cedar surge
Why was the sabre left begind
coarse hedge
Too expensive maybe
The Sabre was experimental to begin with
And under such heavy secrecy
vague scroll
there's no in universe explanation but best suggestion is price tag or it was a tech demonstrator and was simply replaced
cedar surge
The sabre died defending reach
versed helm
Well since infinite looks like... sigh reach 2.0 🙄 visually, maybe you’ll get some sabres @cedar surge
vague scroll
MJOLNIR got cheaper though and ONI exported its technological secrets to the UNSC's military industrial complex
cedar surge
Reach 2.0?
opal birch
I don't like that Longswords are so massive, a fighter with a 4 person crew? No thanks
vague scroll
so now you got a bunch of publically-made MJOLNIR suits
cedar surge
How does infinite look like reach 2.0 at all
vague scroll
there's even private military Spartans now
coarse hedge
Hence why most of the armor in H4 had descriptions mentioning different companies producing them
cedar surge
There is what now
vague scroll
at least according to some of the flavor text mention in H4 and H5's armor designs
vague scroll
and the technology to make spartans is kind of in the public domain if you have the resources and money for it
coarse hedge
@cedar surge There's art and even upcoming figures that are pulling heavily from Reaches' armor design
cedar surge
You mean that Kat one?
vague scroll
Halo Infinite features a lot of call backs to Reach design choices
coarse hedge
^
craggy sierra
Y’all need to understand the difference between sub-contracting to a company and mass production
coarse hedge
Like default Noble Sixes' armor
cedar surge
You do know that not everything will be in the game right
vague scroll
the Marines wear Reach-era armor, the new assault rifle (MA40 according to the Nerf toy version of it) is based on the Reach MA37
cedar surge
They are part of the infinite toy line
coarse hedge
Yes, which is using assets from the game
cedar surge
Not specifically in infinite
craggy sierra
If it reach 2.0 the RIP my investment in the story again.
vague scroll
I'm referring to things that are in the Deliver Hope trailer
vague scroll
the trailer also included the Halo 5 BR so it's not like its a clone of Reach
versed helm
I hope we get H3 security and not reach security, xD reach’s security was so ugly!
vague scroll
was incapacitated by his AI secretary
coarse hedge
Mmmm...beefy security...
cedar surge
How could you look at the trailer and say it looks like a reach clone
opal birch
I think they're talking about the look of some UNSC gear Waffle
versed helm
Then again H3’s was based on marathon
vague scroll
last we see him he's on the S-IV training station and getting ready for Created forces to arrive and attack the place
cedar surge
Chiefs armor looks way closer to 3 than anything in reach
cedar surge
No
vague scroll
yes but it is very slim
cedar surge
He likely is kept prisoner by the fteated
coarse hedge
Chief, the Marines, the weaponry, it's all part of Infinite being a spiritual reboot
cedar surge
There are probably a few spartan traitors
vague scroll
well more of a call back to the wider Halo universe
coarse hedge
^
cedar surge
And infinite still has some things from 4 and 5
coarse hedge
A return to the formula that worked
versed helm
except they’re using reach modeled ARs
rough swan
I wonder what spartans we will be playing as in MP, cuz a lot of the toy spartans figues have reach armor which S3's wore
vague scroll
there's a melding of a lot of different art styles in Infinite that we've seen so far
vague scroll
@rough swan all Spartans can use all forms of MJOLNIR
coarse hedge
Yeah, Infinite is a hodgepodge of various art styles and directions
cedar surge
And a bit of the warthog
vague scroll
just depends on what they're requisitioned to use
cedar surge
I think the marine gear is new equipment
rough swan
could be S4s with reach style armor
vague scroll
Achilles sounds weird with its onboard AI until you realize it's far from the only one to have AI on board
more than a few MJOLNIR suits feature it
Marine armor that we've seen in Deliver Hope is styled after Halo Reach @cedar surge
versed helm
I miss H3’s helmet design, :( it was perfect
vague scroll
though 'Brohammer's' suit seems to be somewhat calling back to Halo CE/3's pilot design as well I think
rough swan
H2/H3 marines looked the best to me
opal birch
As long as the Marine camo patterns are actual camo patterns and not brightly colored, I'll be happy
coarse hedge
For all we know, the UNSC forces that remain might have cracked open the surplus warehouses and gained some Reach-era stuff
rough swan
yeah
vague scroll
we do know at the very least that Chief wears GEN3
vague scroll
since Deliver Hope's data scroll on the helmet UI makes mention of it
Blue Team's one is more of an assumption but I do agree its more than likely GEN3
rough swan
they most likely are wearing Gen3
vague scroll
aye
rough swan
they look so good btw
rough swan
kelly and freds armor looks like the armor they wear in the package
coarse hedge
Do we have official images for them?
rough swan
only the book cover
cedar surge
Can a sniper rifle be used as a improvised gravity hammer?
coarse hedge
Gravity Hammer? No. A club? Yes.
craggy sierra
I hope we get H3 security and not reach security, xD reach’s security was so ugly!
I think Bungie owns the rights to that armour
coarse hedge
Just grab the barrel and start swinging
vague scroll
I'll admit, even though I know a little too much about the art design behind The Package armors, I will not bequeath y'all with cursed knowledge
craggy sierra
It’s the Marathon Armour
coarse hedge
I liked the shoulders and the little antennae that came with the helmet
Bequeath us Distant
Give us the forbidden knowledge
vague scroll
your opinion on Kelly's armor will be forever destroyed
coarse hedge
Try me
vague scroll
her armor has heels
rough swan
did she?
coarse hedge
It's been a while since I watched The Package
vague scroll
if you look up the action figures based on the Package, they're very apparent
you don't really notice in the package but it's apparent if you've ever seen the action figures
vague scroll
aye
coarse hedge
I've been wanting those figures
vague scroll
you can thank the episode director for that
opal birch
Anime I'm I right?
vague scroll
all of Legends is anime so yes
rough swan
that was a bit much for her XD
vague scroll
but the Package episode director is well known for 3D animated anime
he did all the Starship trooper animated films
rough swan
i will never forgive the japanese XD
vague scroll
the animation team that did Odd One Out was the same one that worked on Dragon Ball Z
the entire episode was a parody on DBZ in actuality
it's also why of all the Legends episodes, its the only one considered non-canon
opal birch
@vague scroll I meant it as a bit of a joke, since anime tends to sexualize a lot of female characters lol
vague scroll
ah that's true, that's just Japanese popular culture for you @opal birch
coarse hedge
Meh, armor still looks good for what it is
rough swan
oh on the topic of halo legends, Prototype was one of the best
vague scroll
the guy who did the Package also directed the recent Ghost in the Shell animated show on netflix recently, along with the Netflix Ultraman show, and the old Appleseed anime movies
opal birch
Oh I'm well aware sir lol. I do enjoy watching it from time to time
coarse hedge
Ah, a fellow man of culture
vague scroll
the guy's style is very distinct
also an anime fan here
been working my way through the Fate franchise lately
coarse hedge
I'm taking a brief break from anime, nothing is really catching my interest
vague scroll
but I best not continue that discussion since this is lore chat
coarse hedge
Agreed
rough swan
ye
opal birch
yeah it's a whole other ribbit hole
rough swan
what about it?
coarse hedge
Mantis? MECH TIME
vague scroll
One of the two big mecha animation studios
rough swan
hahahaha no
coarse hedge
Even Spartans are fans of mecha anime 😉
rough swan
tank is best
vague scroll
they do say tank beats everything
rough swan
true
vague scroll
on nevermind, Prototype was done by Studio Bones
rough swan
id love a cyclops in the main games
coarse hedge
It's more mobile, has sturdy energy shields, and more suppressive firepower. The Scorpion is meant for direct assault with it's 90mm smoothbore, whereas the Mentis is a support mech to suppress enemy positions and light anti-vehicle work
vague scroll
what you need is a Grizzly my dude
opal birch
While mechs can be cool, they are in reality not practical enough to replace tanks
coarse hedge
Scorpion is direct, Mantis is flank and spank
vague scroll
Mantis is more of an urban warfare platform all things considered
rough swan
the tank is never getting replaced in my heart
vague scroll
operating in and around skyscrapers and narrow streets
places where tanks are ill equipped for operation
opal birch
Urban environments are bad for vehicles period
rough swan
yeah true
vague scroll
but you still need them, can't take a city without overwhelming firepower
opal birch
that is the domain of the infantry
vague scroll
it's not great but they end up being necessary
coarse hedge
I mean...scorched earth is an option...
rough swan
but we aint the covenant
vague scroll
I mean...
coarse hedge
But we have the means
rough swan
yes....
opal birch
if you don't care about retaking a city then sure, go ham
opal birch
but if you want to retake the city, the infantry are you want, with armor and arty and air as support
vague scroll
never achieved the same feats
coarse hedge
I do on a technical stance. They were meant to test the procedures, but failed to meet expectations.
vague scroll
Spartans are unique in the mindset that they are the combination of the supersoldier and their armor
don't get me wrong, Orions were great but they were very tangentially, unrelated to the Spartan programs that came after
Halsey only called SPARTAN-IIs the Orion-II program, long after the Orion program ended
coarse hedge
Spartan Is were the initial tinkering anyway
vague scroll
it's always an ego thing with Halsey
coarse hedge
He's the most prominent name from ORION
vague scroll
I would be okay to imagine him as an S-IV in an alternate universe, I think he had the metal for that
coarse hedge
Even when dead he's cool
vague scroll
there are hints that John Forge was the son of a Orion
rough swan
if he lived he would have been one of the best s4s
vague scroll
at his age, I think he'd be more happy retired tbh
he was pushing past his 70s by Halo 3 based on some assessments
aye
rough swan
yea he was old
opal birch
Johnson was truly a Marine's marine
vague scroll
26th century medical care at its finest
coarse hedge
I'd make love to that man, I won't deny it lol
rough swan
wasnt it the orian project that had him age slowly?
vague scroll
seems to be @rough swan
average lifespans in the 2500s seem pretty similar to today's lifespans
gilded mason
It was more that he spent most of his life in Cryo
vague scroll
^ this too tbh
rough swan
even at like 70 he still knew what the ladies like
gilded mason
He's probably in his 40s or so, biologically
vague scroll
but... he failed to know what the ladies liked in Contact Harvest...
coarse hedge
Are you sure about that?
gilded mason
He leveled up since then
rough swan
oof
coarse hedge
Johnson still got some at the end of Contact Harvest
vague scroll
he had a 27 year long war to figure things out I guess
the joke is that he did it wrong @coarse hedge
nah two sticks, and a rock, for an entire platoon
coarse hedge
Ah
vague scroll
and they had to share the rock
opal birch
Buck up boy! You're one very lucky marine!
rough swan
he lived through almost the whole war only to get taken out by a light bulb
vague scroll
it was a very bright light bulb
coarse hedge
A very pissed off light bulb
vague scroll
how many space marines does it take to unscrew a light bulb?
coarse hedge
One to piss it off
vague scroll
another to finish it off
and maybe one more to 'make it count'
yes that is a canon thing
it's called smart matter
possibly
Guilty Spark did survive the encounter technically
he's running around with Rion Forge's crew these days
rough swan
ooooohh yeah
vague scroll
well, it's not a Promethean Soldier but it is a form of Forerunner armiger
there are different types of armiger after all
rough swan
I hope he doesnt get the didact treatment
vague scroll
I don't suspect he will
rough swan
idk man
vague scroll
I can't even say the author's name because it's considered bad 😦
rough swan
lol
gilded mason
The Big G
rough swan
i mean the didact got offed in the comics soooooooo
vague scroll
if he was left ignored for several years without an update on what his character was doing
slim thorn
Well, it will be very difficult for Chief to trust Spark again
gilded mason
Though he's still "alive". Just...in story-limbo
coarse hedge
It dictates action after all
vague scroll
cortana still had the virtual key code for the index as a virtual item in Halo 3
she also declared herself and her fellow AIs as true reclaimers
rather than mankind
and then took control of the Domain
and the Guardians
and the Mantle of Responsibility
vague scroll
they're doing a pretty good job of taking a joke seriously tbf 🙃
rough swan
yap yap is the true reclaimer XD
vague scroll
there's a possibility yapyap is a clone...
rough swan
what
vague scroll
he already leads a clone unggoy army
vague scroll
doesn't it seem weird that he seems to be able to produce endless unggoy from the "Throne of Woe"?
rough swan
oh i guess yeah
vague scroll
I'm just floating conspiracy theories here but I wonder if the Throne of Woe is just an angry Forerunner AI that whispers to Yapyap telling him what to do
onyx knot
Seems pretty normal to me
vague scroll
do you think that a "Golden Methane Hydrate Mines of Sabator" really exists?
rough swan
i have no idea what that is
vague scroll
or that a chair is telling Yapyap that the Ark belongs to Unggoy
read his bio
it's some wacky stuff
gilded mason
I prefer to think that Yapyap is simply a grunt with a big imagination.
vague scroll
it's a parody character tbf but it's still hilarious
rough swan
is yapyap canon?
vague scroll
I like to take him seriously just in that in terms of a character that exists in the Halo universe, he'd be a very interesting character given his circumstances
he's semi-canon
rough swan
semi?
vague scroll
no one's sure where he really sits in the lore
he's not been marked as non-canon
but his existence isn't exactly the most reasonable for Halo lore either
rough swan
ah i see
vague scroll
plus he's only appeared on April Fool's and special events
he also has his own twitter account
rough swan
aint he a leader in HW2?
vague scroll
aye
rough swan
soooooooooooooooooooooo
cedar surge
Is ripa a better fighter than thel?
terse lava
Thel easily, Ripa is more brutal and strong, but also very arrogant. We see him hold back on Forge throughout their fight only to die.
rough swan
Yeah thel is more skilled
cedar surge
I don't think thel is the type of elite to toy around with a dying marine
vague scroll
H2A terminals show he let unprepared marines get themselves ready for combat before killing them
As a show of respect
rough swan
Yeah he always was a man of honor
terse lava
And he won
Where Ripa lost...badly
Even of he had taken Forge as a serious threat, he chose him over fighting red team
cedar surge
Yea its kinda of funny
You can just see that ripa has more strength than thel
But is more cowardly
rough swan
The mighty arbiter taken out by a common marine xd
cedar surge
He could have let the elites tale forge while he fought red team
But nooo he had to attack forge
Actually no he ambused the two marines which makes it worse
rough swan
Ripa ain’t the smartest
cedar surge
I think any elite would be embarrassed looking at the last 5 minutes of ripa's life
Loosing not to a spartan
Not a odst
But a marine
in hand to hand combat
rough swan
He’d have killed forge easily if he didn’t talk and play around with him so much
cedar surge
Thel would have given forge back his knife so they could have a duel
versed helm
Why is Ripa’s armour bulletproof but Thel’s is not?
rough swan
I mean a knife to the neck is gonna hurt not matter who you are
versed helm
Unless it’s Atriox
cedar surge
Maybe when ripa died the original armor was destroyed with him and maybe the prophets created a copy
Or maybe there are two sets
I doubt that any armor on ripa would fit snuggly on thel
versed helm
Well, we know that Thel wasn’t wearing anything flashy given Rtas’ comments on the cloaking
Well, Battle rifle rounds are just insanely powerful, and he soaked up a handful of those.. I guess it’s not that bad lol
Just not as good, so to speak
cedar surge
Wait didn't forge use the AR
It seems the battle rifle is stronger than the assault rifle
Not sure where the DMR fits
rough swan
The elites seem to be different sizes in every game
versed helm
Yeah forge used an MA5B, Johnson was the one who used the BR55
versed helm
Yeah, he got off about three bursts before fighting him in hand to hand
The Battle Rifle fires rounds otherwise considered stubby, low velocity bullets in the real world - and it fires them at velocities higher than any of the HV equivalents
cedar surge
Well we know that arbiter armor is in a different league than a combat harness
versed helm
In some ways, in others not so much
cedar surge
Are you saying the BR is good or bad?
versed helm
It’s insanely good lol. If it were real, those rounds would be very nasty due to the caliber and speed they travel
versed helm
Not that I know of. The AR is somewhat in the league of a real world SAW/LMG, and the BR55 is over twice that in kinetic energy
Closer to a .50BMG, even. Though not exactly
versed helm
Nope XD that thing definitely will slice limbs off
I remember Chief doing just that to a drone in one novel, actually
But with an AR
versed helm
By out standards, yeah. Every round in halo’s pretty oversized 🤣
But it’s probably needed with all of the Titanium and Covy stuff going around
cedar surge
Yea in CE. The guns were massive in the hands of marines
Though they slowly got smaller the more you went through the games
versed helm
I believe they’re canonically the same sized round
The Battle Rifle’s cartridge is somewhat comparable to Soviet 9x39mm. And yet, it’s 10 times more powerful. Same goes for their sniper rifle penetrating 13 feet of fleshy tissue
cedar surge
Well to kill a brute in one shot it would need that power
The basilisk is a new unsc weapon right?
Or was that the hydra
versed helm
Hydra
cedar surge
Projectile and laser weapons just interest me more than energy weapons
versed helm
Not sure what the specs on the Hydra are
Yeah, fair. I’d like to see a smaller scale Splaser myself
cedar surge
Like a IG laser rifle?
versed helm
Perhaps. Would be interesting to see it only distributed to Spartans
And yeah, even Brutes don’t take the BR rounds too kindly lol
cedar surge
Make it less blocky and you have aunsc weapon
Plus there are some things a bullet can do that plasma can't right?
versed helm
Well, sure. Hard to make any proper conclusions without actually having plasma cannons, but there would naturally be a trade off
rough swan
I’d take bullets over plasma any day
cedar surge
I'm not sure if that is much better
rough swan
Well if I have the CE pistol I’m beating everything
versed helm
CE pistol slaps
versed helm
Lol
I would also perhaps prefer bullets? Hard to tell, but plasma’s just hell on.. Earth, Reach planets
cedar surge
Battle rifle and Rail gun please
versed helm
Good combo
rough swan
I mean if you use a ballistic weapon and an enemy is using a plasma weapon your bullet is gonna hit him before he’s plasma hits you
cedar surge
Yea plasma goes slower
Unless it's a needler
Is marine armor getting better at blocking plasma?
Be Cause it would be good to see the unsc actually giving marines to survive getting shot with plasma
Though that halo wars marine did survive getting shot by a needler
In that cutscene
gilded mason
If Mjolnir armor gets taken out by a few plasma bolts, I imagine it'd be much worse for marine armor.
cedar surge
Hey technogly has come a long way since the war 40 years ago
Spartans can survive plasma bolts now
Maybe marines can survive a hit or two
We are getting promising new armor
cedar surge
Wonder if some marines are going to have randomized armor
Like some will be using camo while others are using different variants of armor
versed helm
A burst of a plasma repeater can blow the heart out of an ODST
Mr. Steal Your Heart.
Literally.
Yeah, lol. I think a stray bolt making it’s mark is survivable, but after that the plate’s useless
To put you into perspective, Lance, Spartans wearing SPI gear can still feel the plasma burns under their armour.
Now imagine how painful it would be for a regular Marine.
I’m not sure if it’s been specified that it’s actually better than Marine armour in terms of strength.. I mean, likely but I can’t remember a source
It provides more plating and protection, but the material might be the same.
Okay, Halopedia states that it is more advanced than BDUs.
Interestingly enough though, anyone can wear them.
Yeah they seemed pretty interchangeable. “Superior” is a bit of a blanketing statement, and even Johnson often is sporting it
Blanket in that, it could mean a variety of things
gilded mason
and even Johnson often is sporting it
SPI?
versed helm
Right, like technology (the cloaking), and I don't remember any instances where Johnson wears SPI gear.
@gilded mason M52B
Like in Halo 3
Johnson has worn a variant of ODST though, helmet and everything
cedar surge
Maybe SPI armor tech has made it to the marines by now
versed helm
The cloaking certainly hasn't.
versed helm
Hm, I don't think so, look at the Marines in H4-H5, they don't really wear plating that looks similar to SPI plating. But hey, maybe they use the same material.
cedar surge
Well yea those are 4 and 5 marines
What I'm talking about are those infinite marines
With the new armor
versed helm
Marines have MJOLNIR’s protective gel layer now IIRC, at least ODST armor does
As you know, the gel layer can only do so much.
It’s pretty impressive tbh. Dutch’s hog crash would have mauled him without that
Falling 70+ feet onto concrete isn’t that survivable
Right, but it wears off.
Wym?
Don't you remember the quote from Sgt. Guns in H2? The gel layer can lose effect.
When John 117 returns from I04, Master Guns explains that the viscosity of the gel layer was too high.
Ahh, the viscosity
Yeah. I believe that was from plasma boiling it
See, so it could evaporate from burns too.
Yeah, true
I wonder if that would reduce the mobility of a Marine?
I’d say it’d make a marginal improvement, given it regulates temperature well
I'm referring to it reaching high levels of viscosity.
Ohh, well it’d probably the reverse then XD
I'd imagine so, also, the gel layer must be very expensive if it is only issued to Spartans and ODSTs.
cedar surge
Eventually that gel is going to become cheap
And eventually marines won't be blown to smithereens when they get hit by plasma
versed helm
Hm, maybe... anyway, I want to see some clarity for the ODSTs' BDUs. Like, which one is more suitable for combat and so forth.
I personally prefer the H2A variant, people like to call that the "Insurrection Era BDU".
cedar surge
Maybe we finally get to see post war odsts in infinite
Its been a while since you've seen them in game
versed helm
H4, right?
cedar surge
Hey just got a idea
versed helm
Some Spartan 4s in ODST gear.
cedar surge
Maybe odsts get energy knives
versed helm
cedar surge
Well those Spartans used odst parts not the full uniform
versed helm
Anyway, we have seen an ODST recently, Buck...
cedar surge
But yea energy knifes would be cool for odsts and spartans
Yea but he is a spartan IV now
cedar surge
He betrayed the odsts when he join the spartans
versed helm
He betrayed their mindsets, yes.
cedar surge
#ODSTaboveSpartans
versed helm
"wE dOn'T NeEd SpArTaNS!"
Halo 5 concept art showed ODSTs with exoskeletons and wearing a “Mjolnir” helmet
Ew.
cedar surge
Shouldn't be the other way around
versed helm
cedar surge
It looks good but you don't need to put "oDsT" on their back
Its like slapping a 5 foot neon sign that says spartan on the back of master chief
versed helm
Lmao, that's technically 0DST.
It has a zero on the back.
I agree, Lance, the H2A BDU was better at doing that, it was more subtle.
@versed helm yeah
It looks okay for the most part, the helmet could be better.
cedar surge
Also why do they have a handle on their back
versed helm
So people can grapple them
Lol
Lmao, in case a Spartan has to carry their sorry butt across the battlefield.
cedar surge
I'm not sure raising the chances of a brute or a elite grabong you is a good idea
versed helm
It's a fairly small handle.
cedar surge
Its a pretty solid design but has some unnecessary details
Also if a brute is capable of using smaller human weapons they can grab that handle
versed helm
Could also be used if the ODST is drifting off in space, could attach a safety rope to the handle.
versed helm
Yeah, ODSTs are not always deployed for planetary based missions.
cedar surge
This isn't stated to be a space variant right?
versed helm
Do you not remember how they are deployed?
cedar surge
Yes dropped from space
versed helm
So... it could be useful in an emergency.
cedar surge
If you manage to fall out of your drop pods while dripdroppingping I'm not sure if your going to survive that
versed helm
The back plate reminds me of the Praetor Suit.
Well, I can imagine a situation where the pod is not ejected correctly and the ODST is stranded.
versed helm
They also get 15 minutes of oxygen.
cedar surge
Odsts were normal soldiers with major biological enhancements or a powerful suit of armor and were still some of the best soldiers
versed helm
They don't receive augmentations.
cedar surge
Also the exposed "spine" of the exoskeleton is not for me. The armor looks nice tho
carmine sleet
ODSTs don't have anything done to their spines, Dr.Lance
versed helm
Thinking about it, the H2A BDU looks like it can limit your mobility.
cedar surge
Personally nothing can beat this for me https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/halofanon/images/1/10/Halo3_ODST_Rookie.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20100525064851
carmine sleet
Question, where did you hear ODSTs are augmented, Dr.Lance?
cedar surge
Very memorable and doesn't feel overdesigned
versed helm
I like that variant a lot but I still prefer the H2A one.
cedar surge
Huh? I just picked up that random piece of information somewhere. I think r/ whowouldwin. That odsts had stronger bones to compensate for the drop
Also I did a Arc troopers vs odsts and odsts got mega disrespected
carmine sleet
Yeah... A random person on a reddit thread might not be the best place to look for info
versed helm
Oof.
cedar surge
Like this guy was talking about the arcs as if they were gods
While throwing odsts in the dirt
versed helm
ODSTs would probably beat ARC Troopers but that's because their armour is not designed to protect them from ballistic based weapons.
cedar surge
Calling them average smuchks
They even criticize odsts getting "shot down by AA"
As if that's their fault
versed helm
The problem is that you're talking to Star Wars fans, that's like speaking to a brick wall.
cedar surge
They always seem to take legends when doing vs
versed helm
Ah yes, the now unofficial aspect to lore.
cedar surge
I was a massive star wars fan before becoming a halo fan
versed helm
Which was your favourite period? The prequels?
cedar surge
I still like star wars but it just doesn't interest me as much anymore
I like the action in the prequels more but I like the story in the OT better
Also another thing halo has over star wars
Better aliens
Aliens who don't just look like humans wearing a mask or makeup
versed helm
Yeah, they have some interesting designs, the Elites are my favourite.
cedar surge
Pretty much every alien from every game looked pretty good including redesigns for me except for the forerunners
Look way to close to humans
versed helm
You like the re-designs for the Elites?
versed helm
Lmao.
cedar surge
Include them with the forerunners
versed helm
XD
cedar surge
What kind of evolution would have their teeth capable of stsbning their eyes
versed helm
They wouldn't be alive if that was the case.
cedar surge
Though star wars does pull ahead in halo in a few aspects. Showing massive space and ground battles
versed helm
I know that I'm biased but, personally I believe that the H2A Elites would be the evolved subspecies.
cedar surge
Most of the time we view stuff through a spartan who is either fighting behind enemy lines or is fighting around the massive battle
versed helm
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of big space battles.
cedar surge
I think the reach background in that one mission had actually shown us what a full ground battle between the unsc and covenant was like
Like the frigates coming into atmosphere to shoot at ground targets or the longsword bombing scarab
Well halo does have massive space battles here and there
But usually its on the smaller side
versed helm
Indeed, but the problem that I have with big space battles is how big they are. This is a vast open void of blackness so you have to follow the projectiles fired by ships, it can be quite nauseating for me.
cedar surge
I think they really need to show more perspectives in a ground battle rather than a spartan
Like showing marines hiding behind the melting remains of a scorpion fireing at covenant forces
Or a vulture raining down fire on a covenant position
I think the closet we got to this in the games is the wars series
versed helm
The Harvest cutscene is sooooooo good.
cedar surge
Yea seeing the unsc taking back harvest was so cool
Seeing marines and elites engaging in the streets while warthog do drive bys
Including that part in the final cutscenes in halo wars 2
versed helm
Don't get me started on that scene with the Warthog, the way that Marine leans into the action of moving the turret...
cedar surge
Or how a marine hits a elite and another marine shoots the elite
versed helm
Yeah!
cedar surge
If there was a movie animated like that of the unsc fighting for a colony it would be great
Though I'm not sure if the unsc was doing the same in other outer colonies to push the covenant out
ember tusk
the UNSC in the grand scheme of things were loosing more ground than they could take back
and when i say ground i mean space
versed helm
All UNSC infantry have moderate augmentations to some degree
lethal comet
what is the difference between the 105th and 65th odst division
ember tusk
the numbers and shear firepower was too much for a long term war
cedar surge
The big problem was shielding
Its kind of crazy how much that one piece of technology controlled the war
ember tusk
if it was the two factions without shields the UNSC wouldve had a greater chance at winning
both space and ground
cedar surge
Yea missiles are actually good against the covenant ships once shields we re down
No instead of 3 against 1 it could be 2 against one
A S mac platforms would be even more deadly
ember tusk
yeah
cedar surge
Maybe a few halo wars expansions covering battles for various colonies?
ember tusk
plus they could do drop-off nukes like the Covenant did
cedar surge
Like a scenario mode were unsc generals are looking back
cedar surge
Didn't Bungie want to do a mode where you fought in the thick of battle for a colony?
ember tusk
firefight?
cedar surge
No it got dropped
ember tusk
but i didnt play the first halo wars
cedar surge
Firefight is coming back though
ember tusk
i wanna do that vidmaster thing when it does
versed helm
For them, it would be
ember tusk
not for you
i wanna destroy them with a Paris class
cedar surge
The mac may be fast
but the slipspace rupture is faster
ember tusk
"slipspace rupture detected
slipspace rupture detected
its gonna jump INSIDE the city
cedar surge
You know the covenant fleet at reach could have been solved by throwing a nova into slipspace there
ember tusk
yeah but we needed reach to fall so chiefy could vibe on a ring
cedar surge
The fleet is in slipspace so it will get destroyed but the planet would be fine since it is in slipspace
versed helm
I'd like to see another ODST game that allows you to customise your own BDU.
versed helm
That would be great.
ember tusk
but not end it up being like a RPG type set up
versed helm
No, not at all, just cosmetic based.
ember tusk
could work
cedar surge
Sorry I have to be level 345 to beat the mega grunt
ember tusk
a halo RPG would be interesting but it isnt halo
cedar surge
If we got to explore mega cities on earth it would be cool or glassed ruins on reach they would be cool but yea that doesnt
Maybe 343 can do a Google maps but for halo
ember tusk
maybe if it was like a open world missions for Infinite
cedar surge
Probably would not be worth it
ember tusk
wait if they hid things like skulls and easter eggs in these missions and allow players to sorta get outta the map in some places
lethal comet
you mean halo 3
versed helm
@carmine sleet Marines get adrenaline augs in Halo Wars, boosting their running speed. They also occasionally are augmented in order to adapt to certain environmental conditions requiring it
So performance enhancements aren’t exclusive to Spartans, only to the degree they have them is it
I’d wager that the peak of human physiology is greater in Halo than what’s considered that now, too. ODSTs like Romeo and Dutch have done some borderline inhuman things in certain comics
honest warren
When you're dealing with an interplanetary military force some level of enhancements, steroids, augmentations or whatever are inevitable just to deal with the stresses of prolongued warfare in space and among various different gravity environments
versed helm
^
sharp adder
No axHaol odst based during halo 3 campaign from when you leave the base up to having to fight escape the flood then onto the ark
ember tusk
no it isnt
at the start of the game In amber clad goes thro the portal in halo 2
then during Chiefs murder spree on the Halo
that's when the game is set
because the Covenant hasn't finished with the portal on earth and the UNSC still don't know what it is
cedar surge
Just to make sure we don't get any more "six is hiding in a cave" theories anymore we should glass reach again
Thoroughly
versed helm
I don't want them to add more lore for B-312 other than establishing that he is dead.
carmine sleet
What if it's to say he's super dead and can't come back no matter what?
versed helm
Shadows of Reach should include Blue Team finding his corpse.
No one can argue that he is still alive if they did this.
Could have been an ONI body double
-_-
carmine sleet
No body doubles, no clones, no holograms. Six is dead
versed helm
"And there is no tooth fairy!"
carmine sleet
Sure, we'll throw that in too
queen otter
I don't want them to add more lore for B-312 other than establishing that he is dead.
That’s been established many times.
Idk why we would need more affirmations on why Six is dead.
limpid meadow
At this point, I don't really care what lore 343 adds to B312. To this day I'm still upset they decided to keep with Bungie's idea of establishing his gender.
versed helm
I don't like the fact that they are adding small details to him, like the fact that he is from Jericho 7.
It's obvious what they are doing with that.
limpid meadow
What are they doing with that?
versed helm
I see it as a way of trying to boost popularity for Locke.
queen otter
Wut?
versed helm
Locke is also from Jericho 7.
limpid meadow
And?
versed helm
Well, read what I said, there is your elaboration.
queen otter
I don’t think that means they are trying to boost popularity for Locke.
carmine sleet
How does Six being from the same planet somehow boost Locke's popularity?
queen otter
Nope
I’m sure there was plenty more people born there. And I mean plenty lol. But that doesn’t mean they are trying to boost popularity for anybody.
carmine sleet
Like, if they wanted to make Locke more popular, they'd do something like release a novel about Locke in an attempt to get people to like him more
queen otter
I would appreciate that one actually.
carmine sleet
As would I
versed helm
Yeah, but I just think it's too convenient/coincidental.
limpid meadow
I think you're reading way too into things.
queen otter
Toa did it for me
versed helm
I don't really think too highly of 343i, so it's a case of me being pessimistic about their decisions.
I will admit that.
queen otter
That’s not a good way to think about the ones that are keeping halo going.
carmine sleet
It'd be like me looking at Emile and Chief sharing the same birthplace and going "They must be brothers!" despite the fact there is no evidence to support that at all
limpid meadow
Jericho VII's just a somewhat popular location in the lore. It's the first planet we see, it's been at least mentioned in a lot of media.
What Slipstream said
versed helm
Before the Bungie period?
carmine sleet
Which, I just want to mention, I did not come up with that example, I took it from a Halo Follower video where he actually claimed the two were related
queen otter
It'd be like me looking at Emile and Chief sharing the same birthplace and going "They must be brothers!" despite the fact there is no evidence to support that at all
Plus Emile is black. Which shuts that down even more. They are a different race.
versed helm
Wow...
Which, I just want to mention, I did not come up with that example, I took it from a Halo Follower video where he actually claimed the two were related
carmine sleet
Plus Emile is black. Which shuts that down even more. They are a different race.
Multiracial families exist but still, the two aren't related at all
versed helm
Plus Emile is black. Which shuts that down even more. They are a different race.
Dude, you need to learn more about genetics.
queen otter
No I know how genetics work. But they are completely different races. The only they could be brothers is if Chief and Emile is mixed. Which I have no knowledge of.
versed helm
Anyway, I'm just afraid that they'll add too much lore for B-312, which in my opinion, defeats the purpose of his creation as a character.
You don't even know the skin tone of Emile, but it doesn't matter, they are clearly not brothers.
limpid meadow
Confirming his gender defeats the purpose of his creation, so I'd argue it's a moot point.
craggy sierra
We we at risk of them adding lore for the dead guy?
limpid meadow
Not really, no
versed helm
Meh, I don't mind his gender being confirmed.
limpid meadow
I do
versed helm
Okay.
limpid meadow
If you want to give the players the choice of choosing the gender, don't canonize a specific gender.