Osman was considering offering him the choice to join the Created but I doubt either Osman or BB itself would choose to let him persist in rampancy
#lore-and-universe
humble yacht
afaik only Cortana and BB can seamlessly fragment themselves without compromising their higher functions
though cortana's fragment ability is more advanced than BB's
jagged parcel
what did the halo rings fire
vague scroll
yeah I remember reading Rossubach's World, interesting story for sure. It may just be that we don't really have enough info to go off to make conclusions on what the 'average' AI's capabilities are supposed to be. BB, Deep Winter, Iona, and Cortana are all rather exceptional cases in their own right.
@humble yacht
@jagged parcel it's described as "lethal radiation" according to Halopedia
but that's probably a really hairbrained explanation though since it only seems to selectively kill sentient life
humble yacht
it targets neural systems
vague scroll
^
whatever means it used to kill sentient life, it wasn't your typical form of radiation - it definitely wasn't a gamma ray burst for example which would screw over generally all life in it's firing range if that were the case
humble yacht
uses neural physics and is powered by phase pulse generators to send an omnidirectional pulse that shuts down the nervous system of living creatures within 25000 light years
the pulse travels faster than light so there can be temporal distortions during the array firing
stray coral
How did the elites know about cortanas message in the crashed flood ship?
humble yacht
good question
maybe because it was a covenant ship, they were able to detect something
stray coral
This was my thought at first, but I thought I would ask incase somebody knew something more.
vague scroll
could be that the ship was putting out radio transmissions when it broke through the Sangheili's exclusion zone around High Charity and Installation 05
west silo
How fast do AIs think
cedar surge
Fast enough they think themselves to death
humble yacht
Faster than you
west silo
I know there a picoseconds feat in midnight of the heart of whatsits name
vague scroll
as fast as their hardware will let them
craggy sierra
Tbh I don’t know how AIs interact with hardware in Halo lore.
vague scroll
plug and play like a USB drive
craggy sierra
Like did the forerunners just build all their stuff on x86 architecture?
vague scroll
they're a virtual machine (simulation) of a human brain
craggy sierra
I feel like Cortana shouldn’t be plug and play like that
humble yacht
I have seen events that were so tiny and so fast that they could hardly be said to have occurred at all
craggy sierra
Also tbh that doesn’t sound much different from a normal computer
vague scroll
I'm trying to use real computer terms here to make it a bit more relatable tbf
west silo
My computer is not sentient unfortunately
craggy sierra
Wasn’t there some book where Cortana calculated like artillery trajectories but the way the book described it made it sound impressive only if you don’t know how computers work.
Like it took her more than a second I think.
vague scroll
my lack of reading Nylund's books in a long time means I can't accurately give assessment on the prose there
west silo
Wasn’t there some book where Cortana calculated like artillery trajectories but the way the book described it made it sound impressive only if you don’t know how computers work.
@craggy sierra
No that was the suit itself
Wasn’t there some book where Cortana calculated like artillery trajectories but the way the book described it made it sound impressive only if you don’t know how computers work.
@craggy sierra
Was. It oblivion or nylund book
craggy sierra
Nylund I think
vague scroll
Cortana isn't in any of Denning's books (Oblivion)
craggy sierra
Was it the flood? In the start while she was still in the autumn?
vague scroll
could be Dietz's The Flood
craggy sierra
It’s been years for me
I keep attributing the flood to Nylund and I don’t know why
cedar surge
Could the mantle approach have cleared out high charity?
west silo
Nylund I think
@craggy sierra
Was it the training scene with the sparrowhawk?
vague scroll
it's that era @craggy sierra Nylund was the most prolific Halo author at the time
craggy sierra
It wasn’t FoR
vague scroll
given that it goes Nylund, Dietz, Nylund, Nylund in chronological order plays a role
craggy sierra
I actually only read that this year
vague scroll
(TFoR, Flood, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx)
west silo
Could the mantle approach have cleared out high charity?
@cedar surge
Could blow it up if it wanted to
vague scroll
The Mantle's Approach is just slightly smaller than High Charity so, it's an interesting question
humble yacht
Smaller but far more advanced
west silo
The Mantle's Approach is just slightly smaller than High Charity so, it's an interesting question
@vague scroll
It has a continet destroying weapon its fine
vague scroll
the surface of High Charity is also the eroded crust of a planet... so, there's that 😛
west silo
the surface of High Charity is also the eroded crust of a planet... so, there's that 😛
@vague scroll
Not for long
vague scroll
lol
west silo
Have we heard anything about the drones where about in the post war era
vague scroll
cedar surge
What I mean by clearing out is prometheans boarding high charity and defeating the flood hive inside
I would say prometheans would be better fighters against the flood than any organic
west silo
Thanks distant
vague scroll
np
versed helm
Mendicant Bias
versed helm
Who else felt bad for lord hood after the events of halo 5 like he blames himself for everything that happened
terse lava
I dont recall Hood feeling that way
cedar surge
In not sure he could blame himself for everything that happened
Like what has he actually caused
fair hazel
Also with the events that have transpired. Fact of the matter is. Had Cortana and John not defeated the Didact. And the sacrifice. The Didact would have composed humanity and enforced the mantle
vague scroll
I think Shadow's referring to Hood's behavior later in Rossbauch's World where he takes up drinking after arriving on the planet.
lethal comet
How did stacker survive Alpha halo
queen otter
See if Halopedia has something on it.
vague scroll
Sadly, Stacker's role in the Battle of Installation 04 remains a mystery
cedar surge
For how large the pelican is I'm surprised the police use it
vague scroll
Given that Mombasa has buildings that extend nearly a kilometer in the air in some places and the Pelican’s VTOL capabilities, there’s certainly an advantage to be had with having them
It’s probably hard to get a lot of police officers to a ongoing crime scene if the only AirPower they were allowed to rely on were falcons and hornets, so I think it’s a good choice. I do agree that they are kind of massive all things considered. Probably just became necessary as the complexity of city policing grew.
lethal comet
halopedia unfortunately no info no stacker during battle of installation 04
cedar surge
I'm sure the police is not only using variants of military vehicles
Plus how would the police even use the hornet
Rubber bullets and pepper spray missiles?
Are mega cities a usual thing in the UEG?
The only one I heard of is that great chicago
lethal comet
every city with a space tether is a big population center
The cities with space elevators, "tether cities" as they came to be called, are often managed by second generation "dumb" AIs. As shown in New Mombasa, space elevators have a significant impact to the importance and economy of the cities they are located in.
terse lava
Well the idea that civilian/police vehicles would be much different then the militar would not be t that much of a shocker. It's possible they had to use them as an ease on having humanity needing to make too many vehicles thanks to the war. Also for what its worth, the Covenant lich served the same purpose for the original Covenant
fair hazel
the NMPD pelican has search and rescue equipment
cedar surge
Yea
Still the pelican is massive
Did the unsc ever have any kind of defenses for the space elevators?
I would think a innsurectionist attack one and causing it to fall over would cause massive damage
carmine sleet
Space elevators are quite vital for moving supplies to and from a planet's surface. The Insurrection had more reason to keep them than to destroy them. Sure they could cripple a planet's trade if it was the only one and they managed to disable it, but since people used them as well, it makes no sense to try and outright destroy one
cedar surge
These are the same innsurectionists as the ones who nuked 2 million people?
If they did that I'm not sure they will care about the repercussions
fair hazel
Not quite. Insurextionists aren’t all United. Some make like alliances in a way but.
ornate hinge
we got the harvest, harmony and reach rebels (and even more)
cedar surge
Apprently the URF got agents in every colony
Though I don't exactly see why the rebels would want to leave the unsc right now
If they leave they loose the UNSC's protection including the arbiters
ornate hinge
well they stop fighting when the covies came around
cedar surge
And they quickly picked up after the war
Which I think is stupid for the reasons above
ornate hinge
they were tired of the UNSC exploitation of the local resources i think
cedar surge
There are probably thousands of factions who would jump at the chance to destroy a defenceless colony
Covenant remnant and including prometheans
cedar surge
Maybe
Yea humans can join Atriox but the war is still fresh in some peoples mind
I think the banished is what the innies thought the covenant would act like at the start
cedar surge
I don't think a lot of players would jump at the chance to shoot humans
ornate hinge
well. if you just do it for a small period of time
versed helm
Plus, enemies with hit scan weapons are not fun to fight against.
cedar surge
Next thing you know infinite is going to have drones with sniper rifles with halo 2 legendary accuracy
Now that I think about it have we talked about drones much in infinite?
carmine sleet
Halo 4 almost had Drones with sniper rifles
carmine sleet
They likely wouldn't have been as deadly as the Halo 2 Jackal Sniper
ornate hinge
yes there is a video that talks about the marines in reach
there are the marines, the pilots and the troopers
and ofcourse, the ODSTs
carmine sleet
Halo Reach predominantly features you fighting alongside the UNSC army, with a couple missions featuring marines
carmine sleet
Pillar of Autumn features marines when you deliver the package to Keyes
lethal comet
yes forgot that
in new alexandria the only marines we see are the rooftop ones and buck
cedar surge
There has been the navy,marines,army and air force for as long as the unsc been around
obsidian thistle
We have a minor lore drop. Nothing major tbh. But we now have a name for Johns armor in Infinite.
Mjolnir Mark VI GEN3.
Source: https://twitter.com/Mattel/status/1283403890034126850?s=19
carmine sleet
Aye, I was guessing it'd be called something like that. Glad to see a confirmed name
stiff creek
obsidian thistle
Not really the Tweet is about a Collection of Master Chiefs xD
That is a Master Chief in it ;)
obsidian thistle
But yea. It gave us the name of Johns armor. Which is nice
ornate hinge
was mickey a rebel before fighting with the UNSC?
humble yacht
He joins the innies in New Blood
as for why, he became disillusioned with the UNSC after Rookie died
ornate hinge
thanks
crisp zephyr
did anybody else get the acheivement for getting killed by the guardians after they launched halo mcc pc after the update
crisp zephyr
is the acheiveent a halo2 one
fair hazel
That doesn’t pertain to halo lore.. @crisp zephyr
I guess I expected it to be called mark VI gen 3
half herald
what's the significance of the phrase "i am a monument to all your sins"
half herald
....Yes. I'm asking what he means by it.
I played Halo 2 on release and I just realized im not quite sure i understood it
also im aware there were some big retcons about Forerunners and Humans, and i assume the answer would be affected by the retcon
like "does does it mean" vs "what was it intended to mean
vague scroll
it's mostly written to sound good, all things considered
but as for some interpretation - it's mostly that the Gravemind is the grand result of the Forerunners defeating the Precursors eons before
revolting against the Precursors led to the Flood as their "revenge" of sorts
cedar surge
Sure it may be flavor text
But it still gives you chills
But by halo 3 we see that the flood arm making pure forms
If so why havnt they produced any of those massive flood forms
humble yacht
You need a gravemind to make pure forms
vague scroll
if you go back and look at the enemy flood archetypes we had in Halo Wars, there are plenty of massive flood forms there
humble yacht
Unless of course that too was retconned
vague scroll
yeah, and on top of what Chimera is pointing out, size does not correlate to pure forms
I'm not sure, I don't recall the pure form connection being retconned
though the Gravemind lifecycle was retconned
humble yacht
Pure form just means created entirely from biomass
And not a host infected by flood
cedar surge
Wonder how good mammoth would be against the larger flood forms
They do have that giant mac gun
cedar surge
Wait I meant mammoth
humble yacht
Elephants don’t have macs
vague scroll
it's pretty ineffective though when the flood relies on swarm tactics
terse lava
Yea
vague scroll
they overwhelm enemy positions, so you want to look for a volume of fire solution instead
shotgun, smg, plasma, flamethrower
half herald
after the Pure Form stage is that when they get to the computer virus stage?
where they can integrate with machines or do they just do that by #mindbreaking AI?
vague scroll
preservation of history, the rings used to host isolated populations during the Forerunner-Flood war in advance of the conservation measure
half herald
like, 2401/the automated sentinel network (2401 might not be in a position to be actively overseeing his ring.....) just stopped caring about maintaining some structures, for some reason?
humble yacht
2401 was the laziest monitor
half herald
i mean he was kind of indisposed...
vague scroll
there's a theory floating around of outside tampering before the Covenant and UNSC arrived in Halo 2
given that the biomass that was used to forge the Gravemind is unaccounted for how it was accumulated
half herald
Ah so, during the Forerunner Flood War they were using the Rings to hide people, and also do stuff like study the Flood i guess, but then when the Array fired and everyone died, the sentinels kept maintaining the structures related to firing the array again in case it was needed, but stopped maintaining any residential structures since nobody would be needing to use those anymore?
vague scroll
and on top of that we have that isolated incident of an unknown space craft crashing on Alpha Halo in the HCEA terminals
not necessarily hide people but it was a temporary holding measure while species were cataloged
half herald
(i admit i've not played through the remasters or seen most terminals yet but ill get around do it)
vague scroll
we see humans living on Installation 07 in the Bornstelar novels and in the H4 terminals
but yeah, there was never any reason to maintain the unaffiliated structures left by neolithic residents on the many rings
half herald
Oh so like, during the transition period they just let people build whatever?
ember nexus
well how else would people survive
half herald
i was about to say live in the nicer Forerunner places but if they tried to live in any of the actual internal machinery of the Ring they'd likely get lazor'd
Hmmm, perhaps Alpha Base on 04 was also a structure like that
and if it wasnt ruined and had electricity then that could just be because Guilty Spark is actually a decent monitor and not an idiot like 2401
i mean yeah he got a bit rampant when faced with the prospect of losing his ring again for the second time in 3 months but that's reasonble
ember nexus
im fairly certain alpha base was set up when the unsc landed on the ring
cedar surge
So during the battle for the ring in halo CE.
How large was the battle between the unsc and the covenant while chief was doing his thing
Like was the largest battle the one to retrieve materials from the autumn?
half herald
maybe that or the Control Room
terse lava
No the largest battle would likely be when the Covenant attacked alpha base
The Covenant had a hundred or so troops and a group of commandos within alpha base
Along with spirit dropships providing cover for the soldiers
half herald
when did that happen re: game levels
like was that before the flood outbreak?
if i still owned my copy of The Flood i'd go check the timestamps because wow everything on Installation 04 is supposed to have happened in 3 days
terse lava
It was after the flood outbreak, as the entire attack was Zuka 'Zamamee's plan to capture/kill chief. He had been warned by the prophet of stewardship to come up with a convincing plan, or face execution like Soha 'Rolamee. He had promised to keep the flood contained, he failed
humble yacht
You know what doesn’t make sense when you think about it critically?
Why was the Dawn cut in half?
terse lava
Just timing with the portal closing thanks to damage to the ark
humble yacht
But that would only make sense if chief’s half didn’t make it through the portal before it closed
coarse hedge
Which it didn't
humble yacht
But it did
terse lava
Would justchalk it up to Mendicant Bias interfering
coarse hedge
Arbiter was in the front half that made it through the portal back to Earth
terse lava
Yea it obviously made it into the portal. The test happened after
coarse hedge
Chief got left behind
humble yacht
If it didn't make it through, then chief would have A) died to the halo pulse, and B) never drifted to Requiem in 4 years
coarse hedge
I always figured the momentum from the Dawn rocketing off carried him away from the Ark when the portal closed
I'll have to replay that mission
It's been a while
humble yacht
there wouldn't have been enough momentum to cover lightyears worth of distance in the span of 4 years
terse lava
Even with that he was outside the galaxy
humble yacht
The ark is outside the milky way
Requiem is inside the milky way
that's a long distance to travel
coarse hedge
To be fair, Halo 3 was supposed to be the end of it all. Bungie wanted to leave it there with him in cryo, ending how it all began in CE
humble yacht
bungie started brainstorming ideas for H4 before deciding to go with Halo Reach
so, it's not like they didn't consider not ending it there
But back to the Dawn:
We also know that the slipspace path connecting earth to the ark is not dependent on the portals remaining open
craggy sierra
To be fair, Halo 3 was supposed to be the end of it all. Bungie wanted to leave it there with him in cryo, ending how it all began in CE
They teased Requiem in the legendary ending
humble yacht
because A) Rtas's fleet does not exit slipspace through the ark portal, and B) Arbiter's half of the ship makes it back to earth despite the portal having been closed
and that's like a 2 week trip, or more
terse lava
I wonder what thel did for those 2 weeks
coarse hedge
I'm just wondering what happened to the half of the Dawn that got to Earth. #DawnMuseum
humble yacht
maybe the Dawn had games
terse lava
Sunk into the ocean likely
terse lava
I figure he actually just kinda meditated on his life
coarse hedge
Planned on what to do next now that the Covenant was gone
And we all know how that went thanks to H5 and auxiliary media
humble yacht
but yeah, when you think about it closely, it doesn't make sense the the Dawn was cleaved in two. on the surface it was very cool but it doesn't hold up to deep analysis
coarse hedge
Gotta love deep continuity errors
terse lava
Indeed
coarse hedge
maybe the Dawn had games
@humble yacht
Can it be canon that Thel played Tetris on the way back to Earth lol
terse lava
"Accursed blocks, start up and I shall stack you, again and again!"
coarse hedge
Angry Thel hunched over the display trying to get perfect line breaks
half herald
Lots of things make no sense. Why did Captain Keys go to investigate a potentially dangerous covenant weapons cache
coarse hedge
Cause he's Captain Jacob Keyes, badass space captain
humble yacht
Keyes had previously shown an affinity for DIY operations
he manually crash landed the Autumn against Cortana's suggestions
he manually flew the Spirit when escaping the T&R
half herald
Also would he have been able to lead the flood to earth with just what’s in his brain
coarse hedge
In short, Keyes was a bit cocky
half herald
Does the neural jack have coordinates
humble yacht
He personally met Noble 6 to retrieve the Cortana fragment
coarse hedge
Ah, but Keyes also fought back the Gravemind for a while
half herald
Ah with the horrible new model they then recycle for HCEA
humble yacht
the flood always knew where earth was
half herald
With retcons sure
humble yacht
the flood sent emmissaries to earth millenia ago to taunt the Librarian
coarse hedge
MmmmForerunner looooore...
half herald
You know a fungal hive mind is advanced when it’s able to diplomatically troll
coarse hedge
^
half herald
Like in 40k where where The Beast, an ancient Prime Ork sent ambassadors to terra
When did the flood go to other galaxies? If the forerunners killled them didn’t they start here?
humble yacht
the flood left the galaxy after their first appearance when they attacked humanity
then they came back and attacked the forerunners
terse lava
After the human-forerunner war, remaining infected human vessels fled the galaxy to make it appear a flood cure had happened
coarse hedge
Flood be like:
"We'll be right back."
idle reef
Is the flood really gone forever
clever fable
Never really left.
idle reef
So the flood is still around but not really a threat
terse lava
Yep flood still around in various facilities and possibly outside the galaxy
idle reef
Ok, so there is still a chance that they could come back......unfortunately.
terse lava
That and the primordial( a mutated precursor who eventually became the gravemind) promised a final test would arrive for humanity
coarse hedge
I would love to see some media covering the Spartan Flood containment teams
Cause like, there are established protocols for dealing with infected Spartans...lets see them in use
idle reef
But it would be significantly harder for a flood outbreak right?
clever fable
I'd like to see a short story of one of those containment teams, yes.
coarse hedge
It might be a bit harder for an outbreak, but the Flood is crafty
idle reef
Even more when they assemble a proto-gravemind I believe its called
coarse hedge
I mean, we saw what happened with the infestation on High Charity in the Nightmare DLC for HW2, who knows what it's like on Zeta Halo for example
Cause Zeta is a notorious location for the Flood
idle reef
IF they bring back the flood wonder if they will ad something like infected grunts or jackals
Grunts just kinda get touched and die
Never seen infected
coarse hedge
I know infected Grunts and Jackals appear in Halo Wars, but canonically they're used for biomass since they have such small bodies to begin with
They wouldn't really server any other purpose like combat since they're so frail in comparison to Elites, Brutes, and Humans
idle reef
Arent jackals alot like humans weight and height wise?
idle reef
So jackals might be used if a threat appears if there dead jackal bodys
coarse hedge
Weight and height maybe, but our bodies are much more durable than that of a Jackal
Jackals also have a smaller chest cavity, so it would be harder for an infection form to fit inside and get a hold of the spinal column
idle reef
That makes sense
coarse hedge
Same goes with Grunts. They're so compact and wear thick armor, it'd be harder for an infection form to do its job
idle reef
Funny how grunts could finally be useful as a ally
coarse hedge
Useful? They'd serve the same role they did for the Covenant; Cannon fodder
Oh crap there's Flood coming, send the Grunts
idle reef
Well I would rather have 10 grunts than 5 marines mainly because when they die I wont have to fight my friends
coarse hedge
True
idle reef
Saves a bit of ammo lol
coarse hedge
I just think 343 missed an opportunity with the Flood DLC for HW2. There was finally a chance to play as the Flood in Skirmish and Blitz, but they didn't go for it
idle reef
Never play hw2 but I've watched videos and I agree
coarse hedge
And it's not like the Flood is totally OP. With proper coordination and resource allocation, you could beat a Flood player
Anyway
idle reef
Think that it would be fair if flood players can infect dead bodies
And liveing ones
Assuming that there would be a game mechanic letting them do that of course
coarse hedge
True
You'd have to research that assimilation ability. Regardless, getting a bit off track in here lol
coarse hedge
New infection form takes over the space of the old one
That's why you need to take out the chest and have the body burst apart, otherwise a new infector can get into the cavity and take over
idle reef
Cant infect a body if there is no body
coarse hedge
Bingo
I always found it weird that the Flood can use vehicles like Warthogs and Choppers, but then I remembered that the dang thing spreads from the host body and uses that knowledge to operate the vehicle
Congrats Marine, you know how to drive a Hog. Ready to become a p a r t o f i t?
coarse hedge
It's a lovely Sunday in the Spring. Just stuck to my Chopper seat, all this biomass stretching over it, you know, the usual. Gonna go on a cruise and maybe run over some terrified food later.
idle reef
And mabye kill a spartan 25 times
May or may not be me
So ai is immune to the flood until the flood reaches something like a gravemind right?
coarse hedge
AI is actually not immune. The Flood can impose a Logic Plague on an AI.
Thus corrupting the AI
Pretty sure Cortana got a taste of the logic plague when she stayed behind on High Charity
humble yacht
a gravemind is required to use the logic plague, yes
feral perch
Cortana might have gotten a taste, but she didn’t actually contract it
coarse hedge
She would've been totally different if she had
humble yacht
she wouldn't have fired a halo if she had the plague
coarse hedge
The Gravemind is gonna drop some truth bombs on ya', just don't wipe it from existence in return
cedar surge
Hey guys,do you think post created the unsc will finally treat the outer colonies with respect? Surely the unsc is going to need all the help it can get,including the insurrectionists who were only insurrectionists because of how the unsc treated the outer colonies. Plus I can't imagine a lot of insurrectionists helping the AIs who in their overthrowing of humans killed millions maybe a billion of people
Not to mention I feel bad for the AIs who have been trying to improve AI and human relationships
humble yacht
when humans don't have a common enemy, they inevitably start fighting each other again eventually
coarse hedge
The Created threat might finally be the catalyst for the two to work together, a sort of common enemy thing.
humble yacht
just look at post Covenant
cedar surge
Maybe this is the time to flush the corrupted parts of the unsc of?
humble yacht
humans have been killing each other longer than they've been killing aliens, that isn't going away
coarse hedge
Yeah, the Insurrectionists didn't exactly help the UNSC with the Covenant threat
But now that the danger is a but closer to home for the Rebels, who knows
cedar surge
But with cortana actively assaulting colonies?
humble yacht
eh, ultimately it's still aliens attack humans
cedar surge
Leaving entire colonies of innocent civilians dead
humble yacht
it's just cortana's main forces are alien robots instead of just aliens
coarse hedge
Like I said, the Created threat might finally be the catalyst
feral perch
The Innies don’t care about UNSC civilian losses
humble yacht
so far the Created have killed fewer humans than the Covenant
feral perch
Because the Innies are a self-centered, ruthless faction
cedar surge
Not all innies
coarse hedge
#NotAllInnies
feral perch
Enough of them
cedar surge
Well that guy from that odst team
coarse hedge
Ah, Mickey
coarse hedge
Got Rookie killed execution style
cedar surge
That has to be the worst death in all of halo
coarse hedge
But was then recruited by Buck and Dare in Bad Blood
humble yacht
Crespo? more like Creepo
coarse hedge
I need to re-listen to Bad Blood, it was good post-H5 content
cedar surge
We have rookie,who fought countless amount of aliens to protect humanity,survived new mombasa,and managed to get to post war
All to get killed on his knees by a innie
coarse hedge
Who was once a fellow Helljumper
cedar surge
What kind of death is that
coarse hedge
Worst deaths #1, Rookie. #2, Sergeant Major Avery Johnson. #3, Private Wallace Jenkins.
I couldn't think of anyone else for 4 and 5
cedar surge
Yea Johnson's death was pretty pointless
coarse hedge
He pissed off a floating lightbulb
As someone who started with Halo 3, Johnsons' death was unexpected but not that impactful for me.
humble yacht
Jenkins death was worst how?
the guy resisted flood to the point where he saved some people
for a bit
coarse hedge
That maybe, but he was in agony for a majority of it. He might as well have been dead the moment he got infected
coarse hedge
In my message a bit up
cedar surge
Misread
coarse hedge
I was being ironic
cedar surge
Still
humble yacht
depends on how you define "worst"
worst as in most gruesome/tragic or worst as in least meaningful
coarse hedge
A bit of both?
cedar surge
Getting run over by a miffed spartan might be high up depending on how you see it
coarse hedge
There's that one Marine chick who got thrown into the Flood biomass in Mona Lisa. That's a pretty bad way to go
cedar surge
thrown?
cedar surge
Bad way to go
cedar surge
Yea it was
jolly furnace
need to read death troopers
coarse hedge
I highly suggest you do
cedar surge
Still,getting executed by your teammate so he can steal your warthog has never made me more furious
coarse hedge
Another technical death is that reporter from Hunt the Truth. Just thrown into an ONI cell and left to his own insanity.
humble yacht
he's not dead tho
coarse hedge
Hence technical. He's going to rot in that cell. For all intents and purposes, he ded
humble yacht
he's metaphorically dead
cedar surge
I wonder how well a unsc invasion of high charity would go. Somehow they manage to defeat the defense fleet and start bring c harons and Phoenix classes to deploy armies to take high charity
cedar surge
Very unlikely but cool to think about
coarse hedge
Then again, ONI has no idea who you're talking about 😉
cedar surge
Hey guys did you know ONI exists in real lif-
terse lava
High Charity and its fleet would not be able to be defeated by thingthing less then a nova
coarse hedge
And a full on UNSC invasion of High Charity would've been suicide. Even if they did manage to take out the defensive fleet, there would have been major casualties before they even got to the city itself, cause a majority of the ground force carriers would've been targeted as high priority elimination. The Phoenix class ships were strictly used for colonization, and the Spirit of Fire is the only recorded example of a combat ready Phoenix class vessel.
The UNSC would have had to pool everything they had and make it one hell of a slugger to even try and invade High Charity
But with the fight so far spread and having to deal with Innies, pooling all available resources would've left them weak on many fronts.
terse lava
Even that would fail, they could never defeat a fleet of at least 1200 capital vessels
coarse hedge
Exactly
cedar surge
Maybe slipping a nuke or two into high charity by a spartan strike team to weaken the defences?
feral perch
that’s not really feasible
coarse hedge
It would have to be a series of meticulous sabotage missions leading up to the invasion months in advance
Even then, there weren't that many Spartans readily available for such operations
terse lava
I dont think you understand how imports t the Covenant took the capital's defense
cedar surge
The unsc was already planning to send 20 Spartans into high charity so
terse lava
Something just millimeters in size would be targeted and vaporized by the fleet
terse lava
They never planned that, they thought the covenant capital was a whole planet
coarse hedge
-Throws a stick at High Charity-
Covenant Fleet: BEGONE!
humble yacht
Throw 2 sticks and a rock
coarse hedge
Infinity was barely in development at the time if we're talking Halo 2 timeframe. And what's the Eternity?
humble yacht
the eternity is Infinity's sister
cedar surge
Sister ship
coarse hedge
Oooooooh
humble yacht
but it was used for spare parts to repair infinity
it's not in working order and probably never will be
coarse hedge
Rip Eternity
coarse hedge
I can see it being used to train crews planetside
Keep some of the main systems operational for educational purposes
Sim training too
cedar surge
So even if we took Echartsladder prediction of the unsc fleet size at the start of the war,2500, and throw it at HC. The unsc would still lose?
cedar surge
That's twice the number of the defence fleet
coarse hedge
Yes, because the Covenant has had much more time to build up the defenses of High Charity. A much. longer. time.
feral perch
Isn’t every Covenant battleship worth about three UNSC ships?
coarse hedge
I believe that is the ratio
terse lava
Pretty muxh
cedar surge
Some. But I don't think a corvette would survive a singe mac shot
feral perch
I miss Nylund’s space battles ngl
cedar surge
How were his battles?
feral perch
Entertaining
cedar surge
When I see space battles in post war they just seem,close?
cedar surge
Like I swear I could make a comparison between one post war ship battle and one from star wars
Not sure how space combat would have worked in halo wars 2
The SoF can't make a new ship or make new crew
Neither can the banished
coarse hedge
I like to picture it as just a Halo version of Empire at War
cedar surge
Yea maybe space combat should be saved for halo wars 3 when it ever comes out
cedar surge
My problem with post war space battles is that they always seem to surround the infinity and her frigates
coarse hedge
Cause they wanna try and flex the Infinity
coarse hedge
I think it's awesome that the Infinity can just birth her own escorts via drop chutes
cedar surge
Sure,but other fleets and admirals exist
coarse hedge
True
cedar surge
Most of the time we don't even see other post war ships
Just frigates and the infinity
coarse hedge
I do like the fact that the Kilo-Five trilogy used a Prowler, a vessel type that rarely sees the spotlight
cedar surge
Let other ships shine
feral perch
Prowlers get a lot of attention actually
cedar surge
Its like of we had the pillar of autumn in every space battle
coarse hedge
Even Warfleet gave little focus on the broader UNSC and Covenant navy, just the Pillar, Amber, Infinity, SoF and some Covenant stuff
Give us the minutia, the gritty details and all the variants. Gimmie the support vessels, the carriers, I want it all.
Oh, Warfleet did cover the Pelican and Longsword too
cedar surge
They covered mostly known ships and not actually classes
But most known ships are the same as built so
coarse hedge
That's part of the reason why I loved playing Empire at War; You had the well known stuff, but then you could also build the lesser known stuff like Rebellion Assault Frigates, Imperial Interdictor cruisers, etc etc
I'm just a sucker for material lol
cedar surge
Yea there are a few groups making halo mods for EAW
coarse hedge
I know, I need to look into them
I remembered about the mods while doing the dishes lol
terse lava
There are indeed good ones
cedar surge
The most promising one fo4 me is humanities retaliation
While on the subject of ships
Could a ship just sit in slipspace
Or a station?
Cause I like the idea of the unsc hiding a station in slipspace
coarse hedge
I know there's slipspace bubbles, but idk about being parked in slipspace
coarse hedge
The Forerunners XD
cedar surge
Oh right
coarse hedge
Just park a frigate in slipspace and you suddenly hear a knocking on the window, it's a promethean knight with an officers cap and a ticket
cedar surge
A friendly shotgun aimed at the face will send him away
coarse hedge
That's a second ticket for threatening an enforcer of Forerunner highway laws
cedar surge
As he is about to give the ticket the Paris class just books it and leaves him in the dust
coarse hedge
Now it's an interstellar pursuit down the left arm of the milky way
cedar surge
All before the frigate slams into covenant border patrol
coarse hedge
Tonight on Knights.
This human vessel thinks it can just sit in slipspace without a permit. Let's see how they handle the persuasive hand of our boys in silver.
cedar surge
Wonder if the covenant have learned to fear a Halberd being way to close and ramming them
Its a shame such a cool ship got its biggest moment in RvB and not anytime in game
coarse hedge
All I can picture now is the Hammerhead corvette scene from Rouge One
Hood: "Call up a Halberd, I have a plan."
cedar surge
Covenant panics as a Halberd rams a CSO into another one
And sending the two down into high charity
coarse hedge
Ha ha Halberd goes Y E E T
cedar surge
Why HC has such a easy way to get into it
Just have a Halberd slipspace into their and drop a couple of nukes
coarse hedge
We've come full circle! Time for bed everyone!
cedar surge
So if the covenant decided to stick around after the death of HC
Would have the mantels approach been a good new capital?
cedar surge
The big ship at the end of halo 4
gilded mason
Just have a Halberd slipspace into their and drop a couple of nukes```
The UNSC isn't that accurate with their jumps.Oh, the one you storm around in with the Shortsword?
coarse hedge
The Covenant would have to wrestle it from the Didacts control
cedar surge
Yea you could probably turn it into a city if you rearranged everything using hardlight
I think the covenant has enough soldiers for that
Sure millions of prometheans
But billions of covenant
coarse hedge
Depends on how many Covenant survived the Fall of High Charity
gilded mason
A lot.
gilded mason
High Charity was one colony out of thousands
cedar surge
Its a entire empire
coarse hedge
It just happened to be the main colony
cedar surge
Billions of people can be spared to capture another capital
60 percent of will probably be grunts
cedar surge
Grunts and drones were really just canon fodder
coarse hedge
Two percent Elites, eight percent Jackals/Skirmishers
vague scroll
@coarse hedge @cedar surge for the record, the vehicle the Chief flew in the level Midnight was a Broadsword. Shortswords are atmospheric bombers only featured in the Halo Wars series.
coarse hedge
If we're using pre-Brute Covenant, zero percent Brutes
cedar surge
Huh
cedar surge
Atmosphere only?
vague scroll
F-41 exoatmospheric fighter
yeah it happens, there's a lot of them
the UNSC seems to really like using sword motifs for its starfighters
coarse hedge
Fighter designer: What should be call this new vessel?
UNSC: SWOOOOORRRRRDS
cedar surge
When is our rapier fighter coming
vague scroll
Broadsword, Shortsword, Longsword, Baselard, and I forgot the last one
coarse hedge
The hell is a Baselard
cedar surge
Sabre
vague scroll
good call @cedar surge
coarse hedge
Ah
vague scroll
Baselard is a space fighter they showed in Halo: Silent Storm
coarse hedge
Now I wanna see a Baselard
cedar surge
Is it still in use?
vague scroll
no idea since I didn't get that far into the book
it's really good book mind you, just been kind of busy to read Halo novels
there's no visual of it but it does have a decent description
cedar surge
Is there a scene in any book you remember that has a massive fighter battle?
vague scroll
not a massive one but I think within the first two chapters they feature a squadron of them tailing a Covenant corvette
apparently there's also a Nandao fighter that's featured in Oblivion but I haven't read that book either since it's Silent Storm's sequel
cedar surge
Well that humanities retaliation team did their interpretation of the baselard
coarse hedge
See, it's the unknown stuff that I love to read about.
I'm very geared towards the equipment of Halo, so I eat up anything tech or hardware
I'm like that with my World War studies as well
cedar surge
Yea I love hearing about unsc tech
vague scroll
Halopedia's got a bunch of nooks and cranies of underutilized lore
if you got the time to scour through it
coarse hedge
I go to work and come right home. I don't have a gf nor much of a social life. I've got the time.
coarse hedge
There's a Halo version of the AC-130?? Oh my goooood
cedar surge
Yea I Remeber just planning just looking for a line and stayed reading a whole battle for a planet
Yes the vulture
coarse hedge
No no, the AC-163 Gunship
cedar surge
What?
vague scroll
oh wow that's some really obscure lore
coarse hedge
I love it.
cedar surge
This is why we need a halo wars with space and ground battles
coarse hedge
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
cedar surge
But from a post war unsc general
vague scroll
you have to use the internet archive just to find the original source since it's been removed from Halo Waypoint
coarse hedge
Halo pretty much got the same treatment as Star Wars when Disney took over.
Near complete EU wipe
vague scroll
AC-163 was a random one off mention, never got mentioned in any Halo material ever again
cedar surge
Maybe a halo wars 2 expansion where you take control of a post war unsc general and at the end the created come?
And also isn't every piece of halo media canon?
vague scroll
not at all, 343i pretty much held on to everything @coarse hedge
they are, with some limited exception to a few things
@cedar surge
coarse hedge
Ah, my bad then
vague scroll
the only one I can recall from the top of my head is that Odd One Out from Halo: Legends isn't canon
cedar surge
Yea I think 343 treats halo bette than Disney treats star wars
craggy sierra
If anything 343 went back and made the extended lore fit better
cedar surge
Yea from what I hear Bungie was very eager to break canon for the games
craggy sierra
Bungie was Disney to their own property back in the day. They literally didn't acknowledge the books at all and regarded them as being non-canon.
cedar surge
Especially the FoR thing
vague scroll
I wouldn't say I've been a fan of every lore addition 343i has made but I think they've done a very good job in expanding and keeping the lore relatively together
cedar surge
Though yrs there is one thing that bugs me
vague scroll
sadly, some of the originally established lore like TFoR have since been retconned or at least don't make sense
cedar surge
Prototype
craggy sierra
As far as I know the only thing 343 really retconned was the whole hyper lethal thing
Because it was stupid
coarse hedge
There wouldn't be a lore channel for us to be talking in if they didn't manage to keep the lore coherent lol
vague scroll
Prototype is canon @cedar surge
vague scroll
ah okay
coarse hedge
I dunno, I kinda like the Hyper Lethal label
cedar surge
Its just that everything is a prototype
vague scroll
hyper lethal vector is still canon @coarse hedge only thing changed was that they expanded the definition
all Spartans are considered hyper lethal now
coarse hedge
Ah
craggy sierra
I mean Hyper Lethal is still a label that exists in Halo. It just now applies to all Spartans
vague scroll
according to the Spartan Field Manual
cedar surge
Hyper lethal sounds like what a kid would make up on the school playground
coarse hedge
Well that just rustles my jimmies
craggy sierra
Because having it apply to only chief and 6 made them read like bad Mary Sues
vague scroll
a lot of kids in the fanfiction scene used to make their Spartans hyper lethal because it sounded cool
coarse hedge
I won't lie, I had my own Spartan OC at one point, but I never made him hyper lethal
Sierra 098
vague scroll
and plus there was that unnamed Spartan mentioned by Halsey back in 2010 that referred to one another Spartan besides Six with the rating
humble yacht
my spartan can't drive
cedar surge
"And the princess of reach who was 12 years old became a hyper lethal spartan"
vague scroll
I actively write Halo Fanfiction, but I didn't start working with Spartans until about 2018
craggy sierra
I also think extended canon long before 343 even established that Chief wasn't even the best Spartan 2. Soooo yeah.
humble yacht
he has a "danger to self and others when behind the wheel" rating
vague scroll
all my Halo fanfics have been Army Rangers
cedar surge
Yea I read a lot of halo crossover fanfiction
vague scroll
lol, so a Kat 2.0 as it were?
coarse hedge
098 was a capable marksman, but was more adept behind the wheel. Other Spartans and even Marines have described every ride with 098 as smooth as glass.
cedar surge
But sometimes these fabrics just a boy me
vague scroll
I did a canon expansion on SPARTAN-III Delta Company since Delta never got expanded on
cedar surge
Like the author giving every unsc soldier shields
coarse hedge
Cause Delta got wiped out save for two
vague scroll
https://halofanon.fandom.com/wiki/Andra-D054 my main character
cedar surge
Or the empire invading halo even though the empire would have to create a new star map
vague scroll
no that was Beta @coarse hedge
Delta Company was never trained
Beta was wiped out in Operation: TORPEDO with only two survivors
coarse hedge
Oh crap, I did it again
cedar surge
Or the unsc making a forerunner factory inside of their guns
vague scroll
it happens, there's a lot of lore out there
coarse hedge
There's so much material lol
cedar surge
The only halo crossover fanfics I hold in hight regard is the one with 40k and another with BSG
vague scroll
the Halo x Mass Effect section still gets a lot of material these days on Fanfiction.net I think
I've had more than a few years to work on her so it's been a long time coming
vague scroll
had to retcon her a few times too because things didn't match up with canon or I didn't like how I was telling my story
thanks man!
vague scroll
I think a lot of us Halo fans come up with our own OC spartans as kids but kind of forget about them as we grow up in the community
cedar surge
Have any of you guys seen a covenant invades other universe thing?
coarse hedge
Yes
vague scroll
Halo x Mass Effect had a couple stories like that, yeah
coarse hedge
Back when I was a Brony, nuff said
vague scroll
haven't really read outside that crossover section though - I think I read Halo x Star Wars once or twice
vague scroll
never read that crossover fandom
coarse hedge
RWBY and Halo can be done right if written correctly
cedar surge
Stuttering master chief nope
coarse hedge
But I can only imagine the mess
coarse hedge
I will issue a singular Yike to that
vague scroll
sounds like you've read something like that Lance
cedar surge
I did
I never got past the first chapter
I could see tge road from there
Master chief is a grown man
In his 40s
Why just why
craggy sierra
I think he's pushing 50s now
terse lava
Yep
coarse hedge
The Freelancer stuff was fun
craggy sierra
2511, Infinite takes place in 2561, he's literally 50.
cedar surge
I would like to see them fighting alongside spartans
coarse hedge
Can we get lines of Chief grumbling about new tech
Please
I need grouchy old man Chief
cedar surge
The reds and blues fighting alongside a team of Spartans would be awesome
Hey chief isn't a- hey wait a second what generation is chief even a part of
coarse hedge
Spartan II
vague scroll
SII Class I
coarse hedge
One of the few remaining
vague scroll
Class II exists in a weird canon/noncanon limbo
cedar surge
I mean
coarse hedge
Oh wait, do you mean generation like boomer or zoomer?
cedar surge
Yes
vague scroll
lol
cedar surge
This might take some creativity
coarse hedge
Some very tedious creativity lol
cedar surge
Maybe halo 4 should have been 18 years after three so we could get Spartans calling chief a old man
I mean we are having teenagers become IVs
coarse hedge
Teenagers? Spartan IVs are fully grown adults with prior military service
Like Buck
cedar surge
Apprently in battleborn teenagers are going to become IVs
These teenagers lead a group of soldiers
coarse hedge
Guessing battleborn is another piece of literature I'm unaware of?
vague scroll
Battleborn and Meridian Divide by Cassandra Rose Clarke as I recall
They’re not bad books but I would say the augmentation of the kids was not something I expected or considered plausible previously in universe
coarse hedge
So in a nutshell, a group of kids get juiced up and go into battle?
vague scroll
It’s one thing to be criminally immoral and augment children to fight aliens and rebels, but I didn’t think ONI would have considered doing so for regular kids
No, they were infected by a strange disease caused by contact with a Forerunner artifact
Only thing that seemed to prevent death was augmentation
So it was just something they had to do
coarse hedge
Oh no, we're sick, we need to become stronk
cedar surge
Eh I don't really like the idea
vague scroll
It was a degenerative condition I think so it was a do this now or your body starts falling apart around you
coarse hedge
Soooooo basically what happened to the Spartan II flash clones
cedar surge
It makes it seem like anybody can become a spartan now
vague scroll
I’m not a fan either but I did enjoy my reading of Battleborn
Well, technically Spartan-IVs will take any ‘qualified’ adult they can do that technically is true
coarse hedge
That's a rickety plot point if I've ever heard one
vague scroll
Vale wasn’t military for example but she was a child prodigy and a alien linguistics expert so she eventually became an adult and was recruited to become a IV
lethal comet
What is the new sound at the end of h3 oni archive
coarse hedge
Time to put those big brain plays in the field, Vale
vague scroll
Smg is great, don’t diss the bullet hose 😛
coarse hedge
Gimmie the Innie confetti maker
cedar surge
So basically any odst who survived the war could have joined
vague scroll
It was featured in H2A’s multiplayer before Halo 5 came out technically
humble yacht
So basically any odst who survived the war could have joined
No
terse lava
What did I walk into?
coarse hedge
Yes
vague scroll
It’s an on invite basis
humble yacht
H4 and H5 had smg
cedar surge
Feels like a party now
vague scroll
If Jun-A266 and Musa-096 thought you had what it takes, they sought recruits out
@humble yacht I don’t remember 4 having the smg?
cedar surge
So in lore people do people take IVs less seriously?
coarse hedge
I'm starting to prefer this chat over general chat lol
terse lava
This is the better chat really
vague scroll
@cedar surge no IVs are fine, there’s just a lot more of them
humble yacht
So in lore people do people take IVs less seriously?
Halsey does
vague scroll
Halsey’s biased Tbf
cedar surge
Since they know they are just normal people
vague scroll
She hated the IIIs too
coarse hedge
She does see promise in Thorne
deep pewter
IVs aren’t normal people
coarse hedge
And the IIIs (the best Spartans) were done behind her back
vague scroll
Halsey always had something of a massive ego
Ackerson was one of her worst rivals inside ONI
@cedar surge in lore, the public thinks all Spartans were recruited like the IVs
cedar surge
So where did the unsc find the money to have 500 Spartans?
coarse hedge
And Parengophsky wanted to tear Halsey down
cedar surge
Since wasn't before Spartans were very expensive
vague scroll
The use of child soldiers by ONI is a closely guarded military secret
coarse hedge
I probably butchered that last name
craggy sierra
It's not that the UNSC got more money
cedar surge
And IIIs had less expensive suits
vague scroll
It got cheaper as the war continued
craggy sierra
It's that technology progressed and got less expensive
vague scroll
^
coarse hedge
The IIIs were also orphans of the war, and didn't needed to be flash cloned
cedar surge
So what gimmick do you think the next generation will have? The 2s were kidnapped and regarded as the best generation,the 3s orphans who were expendable,and tge 4s who are adults and supposedly as good as the 2s
coarse hedge
Hmm...Spartan Vs...
deep pewter
There’s no need for another generation
cedar surge
Clones?
craggy sierra
Why would they make another generation right now
cedar surge
Just not now just later
vague scroll
Spartan clones were mentioned in the Halo map blurb for Chiron TL-34 back in CE
But no ones mentioned anything about Spartan clones since
coarse hedge
Logically......Spartan Vs would be automated. Reduce manpower and training costs.
craggy sierra
I'm pretty sure Spartan 4's got made out of necessity to the games
cedar surge
Well I don't think there are a lot of 2s and 3s left
deep pewter
Clones are illegal, aren’t they? I can’t imagine they would use them until that changes and the tech advances
coarse hedge
The tech would advance to a point where you wouldn't need a person in the suit anymore
cedar surge
It doesn't have to be clobes
vague scroll
The only major group of Spartans are the S-III Gamma Company at about 300 strong but no one knows where they are now in the lore
S-IVs could be more than 500 strong and up
cedar surge
Well I don't think people would be to excited about robots rather than supersoldiers
craggy sierra
Like ignoring lore and stuff I'll tell you why they were made. They allow for new stories to be told with different characters later on in Halo while retaining the gameplay familiar and intrinsic with being a Spartan.
deep pewter
SIVs are max 500
vague scroll
@deep pewter ONI isn’t really known for playing by the rules Tbf
coarse hedge
Just hook up a person to haptic devices and bam! Automated spartan controlled safely from behind a screen.
deep pewter
ONI flipped out over Halsey’s use of flash clones
cedar surge
@coarse hedge boring
vague scroll
We have reason the say more tbh Nathan
coarse hedge
Boring, but logical. Look at our modern military and how much of it is automated
cedar surge
oh no my spartan robot got killed!
vague scroll
On Infinity alone, there were 300 S-IVs
cedar surge
Which I think is just way to much
vague scroll
Then Jun mentions in Halo New Blood that the S-IVs were recruited in two waves
The first wave had 475 recruits
deep pewter
There were 900 SIIIs trained and augmented
vague scroll
Second wave had more but we never receive an official number
cedar surge
If 4s are as good as 2s why do you need hundreds on one ship
deep pewter
Because you can
coarse hedge
Cause it's the Infinity, the flagship of the UNSC fleet. You're gonna need the best in protection
vague scroll
Because it’s a super carrier and Spartans make a great first strike force for a planetary invasion
cedar surge
Who are they gonna invade
coarse hedge
The Moon
vague scroll
Wayward Innie colonies
cedar surge
Cause 300 Spartans seem very overkill
vague scroll
And covenant invaded planets
craggy sierra
I'm pretty sure the Infinity was running Spartan Detatchments doing flood cleanup on ring installations.
coarse hedge
Or, an expeditionary force of Spartans to scout out new planets to colonize
cedar surge
What
vague scroll
During the war, the entirety of Alpha Company were deployed all at once to put down a rebellion on the planet Mamore
cedar surge
Why would they send a valuable military asset to look for planets to colonize
coarse hedge
-Shrugs- They don't have the Phoenix-class vessels anymore
vague scroll
@craggy sierra there’s some odd hand mention of Spartans fighting flood in the post war but we don’t have many details
coarse hedge
Aside from the SoF
cedar surge
You don't really know that
vague scroll
We don’t know that Phoenix’s could still be around
queen otter
Cause 300 Spartans seem very overkill
Better to be safe than sorry. Ensuring the victory I guess.
craggy sierra
I'm pretty sure the Infinity's main purpose was a research vessel
coarse hedge
@vague scroll I want more Spartan v. Flood material. Gimmie them HAZOP teams.
vague scroll
Spartans were always intended as overkill
cedar surge
Just because we havnt seen them does mean they arnt around
terse lava
they have HAZOP teams
craggy sierra
Meant to secure forerunner structures and that type of stuff and leave detatchments around to keep things secure
vague scroll
It started originally as an ark in case Earth fell to the covenant @craggy sierra
coarse hedge
Phoenix class vessels were often disassembled to help build the colonies they established.
craggy sierra
Doesn't matter what it started as, it's what it is now
deep pewter
300 Spartans is a drop in the bucket for a military the size of the UNSC
coarse hedge
Once they landed, they were stripped for materials.
vague scroll
Now it’s a bit of a jack of all trades, super carrier, battleship, research vessel, diplomacy
coarse hedge
Safehaven
vague scroll
Safehaven indeed
coarse hedge
I can't wait to see more Infinity in Infinite
craggy sierra
We might not tbh
vague scroll
Some phoenixs did survive their colony ship days like the SoF
coarse hedge
True, and the Spirit was retrofit for combat duties
vague scroll
2531 is pretty long after it’s original purpose ended
craggy sierra
I think there was mention from Roland's VA on social media that he hasn't gotten called back in to reprise his role yet so the Infinity has yet to be seen.
coarse hedge
Aside from the Spirit, it's unknown if there are other Pheonix-class
vague scroll
The original phoenix’s deployed in the late 2300s as I recall
vague scroll
First time I heard anything about Roland in a while so I’d take that with a grain of salt
But whatever the case, it’s been a fan theory for a while that the Infinity will be destroyed
Mostly because halo has a reputation for destroying its hero ships
craggy sierra
I doubt it
coarse hedge
Okay okay so all this talk of the Spirit has me hoping to see a scene of where the Infinity is backed into a corner by the Banished, but then they hear a call from the Spirit of Fire. Think of it like Falcon in Endgame. "Infinity, can you hear us? Infinity...on your left."
vague scroll
Pillar of Autumn, In Amber Clad, Forward Unto Dawn, and Infinity all crashed in the games they were introduced in
Of the 4, only Infinity survived its crash in Halo 4
craggy sierra
The Infinity has a lot of potential to carry other stories. It's be pretty bad if Halo just started arbitrarily doing stuff that's not in favour of the story but instead to pander to people's skewed sense of Nostalgia.
cedar surge
@coarse hedge TBH the SoF is doing nothing against a covenant or forerunner ship
craggy sierra
That's kinda what the last Star Wars movie did
vague scroll
We’ve had the ship for almost 8 years now so it wouldnt be that weird if they did
craggy sierra
But that's a dumb argument
vague scroll
It was originally introduced back in 2012/13 ish with Halo Glasslands
coarse hedge
The Spirit may not be able to do much, but god dang it if she isn't gonna try
deep pewter
Glasslands is underrated tbh
craggy sierra
That's literally just saying they should because it hasn't blown up yet without looking at the broader context of the universe
What would the writers gain in destroying it
cedar surge
I either heard people hate it or love glasslands
coarse hedge
I enjoyed Glasslands. It was a nice tie up for Ghosts of Onyx
vague scroll
Just explaining it
craggy sierra
Cause to me it sounds like all they'd gain is some pandered nostalgia and lose a very valuable story tool
vague scroll
343i did toss requiem into a sun after only a year
craggy sierra
That's not the same thing
cedar surge
Sure the infinity is cool but I don't like it much. It feels like a do everything kind of ship
vague scroll
just a possibility ¯_(ツ)_/¯
coarse hedge
That's kind of the point for Infinity now. It's the UNSCs' muscle, it's gonna do a lot
craggy sierra
Requiem was a location. Bungie tossed an entire Halo ring into tiny pieces orbit after like...a week in lore
terse lava
It's a literal flying plot device
vague scroll
But I do see your point t
coarse hedge
^^
cedar surge
The strongest macs,the best spartan training location,capable of holding frigates
terse lava
Just the engines and some huragok
coarse hedge
Oh my god
cedar surge
Yea
terse lava
Well duh
craggy sierra
Yes, it is
cedar surge
That's what I been saying. The ship is a Mary sue
coarse hedge
I need a drink
craggy sierra
But also, it's just a ship.
It can serve as a good staging ground from which numerous stories can take place from
Destroying it would serve very little purpose to the universe as a whole
coarse hedge
Now all I can think of is the Infinity is basically the Bismarck. All this hope and expectation was riding on it, only to be sunk by opposing forces
terse lava
I am hoping it goes the way of the sublime transcendence
cedar surge
The best tech,the flagship of the unsc,protection of 300 Spartans and thousands of odsts and marines,has the best training location of the entire unsc,uses forerunner technology,capable of running away from the guardians
coarse hedge
inb4 Infinity gets Bismarcked by some raggedy Banished Banshee that got a lucky fuel rod bomb off.
terse lava
Ha
cedar surge
Or some fanfiction writer has the infinity get destroyed by a broadsword shorting a missile into all of its mac guns
coarse hedge
"Great shot kid, that was one in a million!"
cedar surge
And while it explode the oc flies into the sunset in their personal sabre
Wish the sabre came back
Its a cool design
coarse hedge
Glad it's useable in Forge
cedar surge
Better than the broadsword I say
craggy sierra
Either case the whole concept of "they should destroy the Infinity because it's been around for a while" really reads like it comes from some num nutz who never looks at the broader settings and implications of universes in which stories take place.
coarse hedge
Give us a Forge World 2.0 where we can use everything.
cedar surge
The broadsword just looks like a generic next gen fighter to me
craggy sierra
It's actually really annoying to see people say Halo should do all these things just because things in the past of the series have done it without considering why it would make sense in the universe or even if it would make for a good story.
coarse hedge
The Broadsword is just a Pelican that went to the gym
cedar surge
So Johnson returning as a AI and beating cortana is not a good idea?
cedar surge
Also I think your talking about either the long or shortsword
craggy sierra
There's a whole laundry list of stupid ideas I've seen people say Halo should have just because it's had them in the past
deep pewter
There’s no way for Johnson to be made into an AI
cedar surge
Time travel
craggy sierra
LIKE THAT ONE
coarse hedge
Well...he was a Spartan I...
They might have something laying around from that...
Who knows
deep pewter
That’s meaningless for AI creation
cedar surge
Oh boy you don't even know how bad of a leak I saw
cedar surge
Bassically everyone in the entire series came together on reach to fight the banished and noble 6 came out of a cave to fight with them and they charged each other like in endgame
Oh and chief timetravled to halo 4
coarse hedge
I just gave an ugly laugh
craggy sierra
So I don't understand people's attachment to Noble 6
deep pewter
That “leak” is super old