LMAO
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
The problem is that he doesn't credit them and earns money from this.
cedar surge
Remeber that 40 minute video of him breaking down the halo infinite trailer?
How do you even manage to squeeze that many minutes out of that is a mystery to me
versed helm
I try to forget about it.
golden spear
I wonder if "John" is even Master Chief's real name
God help the UNSC if the Chief is infected by the Flood
cedar surge
You actually believe that theory?
versed helm
I'm pretty sure he even said that his name was John at the beginning of FoR.
Halsey asks him before he's "recruited" and he says it's "John".
cedar surge
Huh
versed helm
Sorry, Lance, you didn't have to delete those messages.
versed helm
Oh, right the filter.
cedar surge
Yea I forgot how the filter was
But yea I don't believe for a second that the flood infected the master chief
versed helm
In The Flood (novel)?
cedar surge
If you use the "the flood was just hiding" how would the flood have been so coordinated to not shown infection without a gravemind
Oh yea there is a theory where the master chief is infected by the flood
Some people think that's the only way the story is gonna go
versed helm
They sound delusional if that's the case.
cedar surge
Why did Cheif never show signs of infection,when did he get infected,how did he get infected and not notice
Many holes you can poke into it
carmine sleet
Indeed. Plus, having Chief be infected would undermine the story
carmine sleet
Some conspiracy theorist most likely
golden spear
I was saying hypothetically
carmine sleet
Is there a mod about to delete Chernobyl's link?
open agate
No
golden spear
I'm saying the UNSC would be screwed if Chief is infected
steep atlas
I was replaying the first mission, Pillar of Autumn on Halo CE Anniversary (on the MCC of course).
In the cutscene when Master Chief arrives to meet Captain Keyes on the bridge and he is instructed to take Cortana off the ship, Cortana pauses and looks around with almost a look of fear on her face before she says "yank me". Was pulling her out of the Pillar of Autumn's computer painful to her?
humble yacht
No
Looked less like fear to me and more like she didn’t want to leave Keyes and the ship, even tho that was protocol.
steep atlas
Oh, interesting. That's definitely fair, I was just curious.
I don't really know a ton about how Cortana works despite playing the campaigns where her origins and related matters are most featured in like Reach and 4.
versed helm
Is Colony still alive?
carmine sleet
As far as we know Colony is alive
slim thorn
Colony was still alive in the Banished
round comet
like yeah as far as we know
we dont know what happened after that, their current status is unknown
slim thorn
It's still alive
stiff creek
Right.
slim thorn
If Colony was defeated, I'm sure the Banished won't be able to utilize Hunters again.
stiff creek
They probably would, but just not as effectively as when Colony was alive.
I can't really recall the Covenant having a Hunter leader, but they used them fine.
versed helm
The ranks have been kept fairly ambiguous for the FPS games.
versed helm
Yeah, I guess.
gusty star
I recall the golden hunters adorning their color to signify that they fired single fuel rods while the blue hunters fired beams.
cedar surge
Are headhunters still a thing?
versed helm
The siii headhunters?
fair hazel
Headhunters ar still a thing and S-III arent the only headhunters
cedar surge
I wonder if there are any restaurants in the outer colonies making food using covenant species
gilded mason
As in, like, cannibalism?
cedar surge
They had to figure out grunts tasted like lobster somehow
I'm talking about the unsc
proven granite
gilded mason
That would be pretty depraved and disgusting, so I should hope not.
cedar surge
Eh I got this idea after hearing that throwaway "I heard that grunts taste like lobster" in a reach dialogue video
How big is SoS territory? Bigger than the unsc territory?
gilded mason
I assume. They've been gathering a lot of colonies over to their faction. And they have a ton more territory to choose from in that regard.
cedar surge
It might be easier to grab territory when petty warlords are squabbling
terse lava
Would say as of halo 5, the SOS would be the largest known faction, although there could easily be others who drawf the SOS and humanity
cedar surge
Having most of your race not dead tends to be a advantage
terse lava
That too
gentle bramble
I mean ONI can change that real quick
gilded mason
They can believe that in their fascist fantasies.
terse lava
Yea ONI cant change a thing
We dont even know the full population of sangheili in the galaxy, unlike humans
cedar surge
Yea ONI can only wish
Even for ONI they can't hide trying to kill a portion of a entire race
Its like trying to hide the unsc nuking a colony
Did any covenant fighters get something like ptsd from fighting the humans?
gilded mason
Probably
cedar surge
In not sure if a grunt would fear a marine but definitely a odst
terse lava
They freak out over anything
cedar surge
I would be scared if a 7 foot tall monster in full armor were running after me to melee me because they want to conserve ammo
terse lava
Yep
tawdry aspen
I'm scared of even thinking of it
cedar surge
Funny thing is that it can go for the actual halo universe and the RvB universe
last anchor
Well yeah.
Spartans for sure give PTSD, they're called Demons for a reason.
In RvB? Well, MAYBE some people got PTSD from the Freelancers but mostly cause they were so utterly messed up.
Like you see a Spartan, you feel inspired, amazed. Awed.
You see a Freelancer and you go "Man, what drugs are THEY on."
lavish garnet
Must read novels before Halo Infinite? Dropped off the novels I would say after Broken Circle
cedar surge
I guess shadows of reach but it isn't out yet
I think it was either new or bad blood that was set after halo 5. I don't know much about the halo books
versed helm
Bad Blood is, that's set directly after the ending of H5.
cedar surge
Yea but now in infinite its been 2 years under her rule
She is basically doing the same things as the forerunners even though she says she isn't
Del Rio is probably laughing at everyone in a bunker somewhere
versed helm
And shouting at people to surrender that AI.
stable cedar
Silent Storm, Oblivion, Bad Blood and Shadows of Reach when it comes out
slim thorn
But then again, without Cortana, Didact could already defeat Master Chief and Earth's population are entirely composed.
I'd rather see Cortana as corrupted by the Flood due to the successful logic plague by the Gravemind.
lethal comet
maybe finally see offensive bias in game
slim thorn
Or what was left of it
feral perch
No, Cortana should not have logic plague
She’s directly working against the Flood, for one thing
carmine sleet
She also wasn't speaking with the Gravemind anywhere near long enough to be logic plagued
round comet
and if she had the logic plague her motive would have directly been to assist the flood
but she did the opposite of assist/help
humble yacht
Directly or indirectly assist
but her actions in halo 3 did neither
She also wasn't speaking with the Gravemind anywhere near long enough to be logic plagued
iirc she was on the verge of early rampancy before the Chief rescued her
but recovered once he got her
(of course, natural rampancy would still become an issue later)
slim thorn
Depends on how one interpret it
terse lava
Yea would agree that she likely wasnt worth the gravemind's effort to do a proper logic plague
slim thorn
Perhaps in Halo Infinite we can find the answer. Considering the halo on Halo Infinite was broken, the Flood could be on loose once again.
terse lava
I doubt that
slim thorn
I think Didact also got affected by Logic Plague isn't it
terse lava
Yes the didact was affected by it but in.a different way then Mendicant Bias
terse lava
The difference there was the didact was organic and his plague simply made his bias and hatred towards humanity stronger. LP to an AI causes instant subversion
Unless you are advanced like Mendiactn Bias
humble yacht
the plague in teh Didact led him to indirectly help teh flood, by sowing discord in the ecumene, denouncing the Halos, lowering moral, etc
carmine sleet
Perhaps in Halo Infinite we can find the answer. Considering the halo on Halo Infinite was broken, the Flood could be on loose once again.
I wouldn't say a chunk being missing is something that means that the Flood is on the loose
humble yacht
and ultimately it amplified his obsession with the mantle and hatred of humanity to the point where he did something that forced the Librarian to imprison him
MB took awhile to convert but the first thing he did upon changing sides was take I07
slim thorn
I wouldn't say a chunk being missing is something that means that the Flood is on the loose
Unless part of it contains a containment facility.
humble yacht
it's not like MB left the conversation, mulled it over, and then decided after the fact to help the flood
terse lava
True, but he still took more time then your average monitor
humble yacht
sure, I'm just saying that the logic plague doesn't act as a latent infection, it doesn't sit waiting to manifest at the right moment. once you have it, it presents
also it appears to be a temporary thing
both MB and Ur Didact seemingly recovered
MB moreso
terse lava
Ah, wasnt implying the idea of it being latent at all
slim thorn
I kinda doubt about Ur Didact though since he's still paranoid
humble yacht
Didact in H4 always seemed more angry than crazy to me
slim thorn
True, but his action also seems crazy
terse lava
He himself says he is now inssne
humble yacht
crazy to us, because we're the targets 
slim thorn
He doesn't even verify the current situation first and decide to do a rash and crazy actions.
humble yacht
maybe. at the very least, MB recovered
round comet
i would prefer if we let cortana take responsility for her actions rather than "didact is controlling her" or "logic plague"
what if cortana, is uh "fed up" with humanity and civilisation's primitive nature. wherever they go, they fight wars. always. throughout humanity's history, one of the only things that happen constantly is them fighting, for whatever reason. this can be directed towards other species as well.
so now she's taking up the mantle of responsibility the way the forerunners did, in order to keep the galaxy under check. she's not trying to kill everyone, she's not trying to become ultron, her motive is to ensure that there are no more wars, no more needless fighting.
once you read all her lines from halo5 (and halo legends episode 2 to some extent.) and just her overall character at the moment, it makes sense. call it enforced peace.
i think this would be a very interesting character arc, far better than the hilarious lOgIc pLaGuE theory and all
terse lava
You know, was it really ever said how he recovered? He seems sane again at his trial
humble yacht
maybe fragmenting him to transport him to the ark played a role? it's never said
maybe defeat knocked him to his senses
west silo
Trial?
humble yacht
yes, MB had a trial
round comet
i said that like a month ago
humble yacht
on the Ark, presided by IsoDidact
round comet
just copy pasted it here
terse lava
Hm, perhaps due to his size, his "main mind" was left untouched as a way to keep him efficient and the plague more tinted his"view" through the other parts?
round comet
west silo
Oh mendicant thought u were talking about the didact
terse lava
Whata with the face Caboose?
humble yacht
Hm, perhaps due to his size, his "main mind" was left untouched as a way to keep him efficient and the plague more tinted his"view" through the other parts?
Not sure about that since one of those "other parts" escaped the ark to try and redeem itself
seems like for MB, time was all it needed
west silo
Wonder if will see the librarian again in infinite
humble yacht
unlikely
west silo
She everywhere at this point
humble yacht
not everywhere, she left at least two imprints in the galaxy but i doubt many more
terse lava
Hm, was under the impression his main shard was simply able to get a shard of itself to escape
humble yacht
not really sure what you mean by "main shard". we're saying shard too much
shard of a shard
round comet
s h a r d
terse lava
I am saying that the part of him that managed to flee in the keyship was his main personality construct.
humble yacht
oh. i'm not sure about that
feel like his main personality construct would be the most protected
halcyon remnant
what exactly is the winter contingency
humble yacht
it was a protocol about what to do if the Covenant ever found Reach
halcyon remnant
and what did they had to do
humble yacht
i'd have to look it up on halopedia to find out, so you can do that yourself
halcyon remnant
so it's like an emergency plan apparently
Basically the UNSC stops everything they were doing and focus on defending the planet
spiral jewel
Does the UNSC still utilize aircraft like the F-15, A-10, F-16, F-35, F-14 ?
humble yacht
nah
spiral jewel
I'm guessing those are several hundred years out of date, or they got replaced by stuff like the Longsword and Broadsword at some point?
last anchor
Very much so. Atmo only interceptors are, effectively, pointless now
Some colonies do have similar craft but they're mostly homebrew things like Gaos Wyvrins or the fanmade Remora parasite-assault craft that rides on the back of a modified Pelican.
That ones not canon mind you but I like to think it could be.
The legacy of the AC-130 lives on in the Vulture however, which is the AC-220
Which I find hilarious because, unlike the AC-130, the Vulture was from the start a gunship, with no cargo capacity that I can tell
humble yacht
longswords and broadswords are designed to be space fighters, modern day fighter planes wouldn't function in space
spiral jewel
The aircraft I mentioned are probably all museum pieces, around the time of Contact Harvest.
humble yacht
yep
spiral jewel
Good to know
cedar surge
Would be funny if someone tried to use a centuries old vehicle to fight the covenant
tame belfry
I mean, WW2 tank shells kill covie tanks
versed helm
What?
tame belfry
The Scorpion shoots a 90mm
Modern abrams shoot like, 120mm
90mm got ditched in WW2
humble yacht
yeah but were shells made of tungsten in WWII?
grave swift
Brief Googling seems to suggest WWII shells were usually a composite of materials.
Mostly steel though
versed helm
90mm seems small for a main battle tank
fair hazel
Isn't there more to shells than their size..?
humble yacht
Tungsten is denser than iron or steel so a 90 mm tungsten she’ll could be heavier than a 120mm iron shell
fair hazel
Velocity too
humble yacht
Velocity is going to be dependent on several factors, including size
jagged parcel
Question how doesnt chiefe die when he gets smashed against a wall I mean his armor weighs like a ton wouldnt that kill him on impact ?
gilded mason
Gel layer protects him, I assume.
jagged parcel
so thats one reason why he survives things like that
Is there an equivalent to a spartan that the covanent had ?
gilded mason
Higher ranking Elites were as good as them, though it was San'Shyuum prelates that had augmentation done to make them more powerful.
jagged parcel
So did Chief and the others then just fought against low ranked elites ?
gilded mason
If you play things smart, you can beat those more powerful than you. And having things like rocket launchers or sniper rifles help.
humble yacht
I’m pretty sure that very few engagements between Spartans and covenant came down to fisticuffs
gilded mason
Yeah
jagged parcel
So the reason that elites looked so weak was because they were outsmarted by spartans or didnt took them seriously in the first place ?
humble yacht
When did they look weak?
gilded mason
Also, the series is first and foremost a video game series.
So you're gonna have to be able to kill a lot of enemies
humble yacht
^ gameplay != canon
jagged parcel
I mean the looked to me always weak compared to a brute or a sparten
humble yacht
Maybe you’ve been playing on Easy
jagged parcel
what ?
O srry I missread your answer
The UNSC had ONI right so what did the covanent had if they had it
gilded mason
Dunno. The series never really talks about it.
humble yacht
I’m sure the prophets had a network of spies
jagged parcel
Wasnt ONI this super secret Organisation which also trained asassins
humble yacht
Maybe each prophet had his own spies
gilded mason
Would make sense.
jagged parcel
the games are based on the human covanent war but was there another faction at that time
or were there multiple
gilded mason
There were probably multiple ones that kept under the radar.
jagged parcel
so they were probably some but we didnt see them
gilded mason
Right
jagged parcel
speaking of factions how did the UNSC to get at the start of the wars battle they won ? I mean compared to the force of the covanent this looks a bit awkward
gilded mason
Say again?
jagged parcel
I mean its told that at the start of the human covanent war the humans actualy won battles and then almost got smashed but how did they get this wins in the first place. It doesnt make much sense when you see how big the army of the covanent was
gilded mason
The UNSC was more desperate, and that bred innovation on the ground. But it could only work for so long before the Covenant wised up to the tactics only a few months later.
humble yacht
Humans may have won a few battles but remember than by 2552, we were losing badly
Earth was our last bastion, iirc
jagged parcel
do you mean the spartans by innovation ? or were there like new tanks weapons etc
gilded mason
I meant tactical thinking
gilded mason
I dunno. I ain't a "tactics" kind of guy.
jagged parcel
oh
btw Chief is like „unstoppable“ but were there other spartans that caused havoc at such scale as Chief and his squad or was he like the soldier in 1 million that could do smthng like that
gusty star
So we're all the other IIs
jagged parcel
Chief was an oni assassin ?
humble yacht
No
gusty star
Until the Spartan Field Manual listed all IIs as hyper lethal
jagged parcel
srry I just realised
left solar
oof lol
still though when it comes to suicide missions blue team, headhunters like emile and noble 6
gusty star
Emile is not known to be a headhunter
left solar
pretty sure he was
jagged parcel
So noble 6 was the only one who was considered as lethal as Chief ?
left solar
am i
gusty star
Yes, he was a headhunter
gusty star
Yes, therefore he is not the only one considered as lethal as Chief
left solar
i cant find it but can find emile possibly being and being part of oni
versed helm
Not anymore.
jagged parcel
and which status had chief before every spartan was considered hyper lethal
also hyper lethal ?
gilded mason
It was a marketing term at first
versed helm
i cant find it but can find emile possibly being and being part of oni
@left solar He used to be part of a unit that worked for ONI.
gusty star
It's kind of ludicrous that they give it to the IVs (even when they are wearing GEN2)
gilded mason
Just so players can go "Hooray! This new guy I'm playing as is as good as Chief!"
jagged parcel
yeah
left solar
never understood the hyper lethal classification though. Is it just a status given to soldiers based on their capability to execute targets successfully?
special targets
gusty star
Almost none of them share the same skill as the IIs and the best of the IIIs
versed helm
That's kind of a blanket statement, Ardo.
left solar
I didnt like the locke vs chief scene lore wise chief woulda squished him like a bug
this applies to any 2 vs 4
gusty star
There are some IVs I imagine could reach their skill, but none of them were trained since childhood.
jagged parcel
isnt locke stronger then chief I am asking since I have no idea
left solar
no
versed helm
But I do agree for the most part on that. The Spartan 4s were not as powerful as the 2s.
left solar
not in the slightest 4s have better armor which gives them most their strength i would say chief could beat locke without his armor in hand to hand
or get close
2s were stronger as kids than any other person and modified soldier
jagged parcel
I find it bad that spartan is now just a promotion and not anymore the type you were trained your whole life to be a killing machine
versed helm
It's not a rank.
humble yacht
A spartan iv is no push over, even for a II
jagged parcel
its not a rank but its more like a promotion
versed helm
I didn't say that, Chimera.
humble yacht
People who think a II could easily defeat a IV in single don’t really understand how close the generations are
left solar
yes but were talking strength @humble yacht not overall capability
versed helm
Ardo was referring to training.
humble yacht
Spartans best brutes all the time and brutes are physically stronger
I’m talking about period person, Delete
left solar
i was talking strength ardo changed to skill not understanding what i was getting at
jagged parcel
without armor spartan 4 are getting destroyed
versed helm
Pretty sure that Ardo was the one who actually brought up the topic.
left solar
if a 4 is just skilled as a two they will still lose most the time from physical ability compared to a 2
humble yacht
Without armor it’d be like a heavyweight vs a welterweight
Not impossible but not even
jagged parcel
whats a welterweight like lightweight
jagged parcel
well thats still a lose tbh
left solar
looking back idk what he was talking about "Almost none of them share the same skill as the IIs and the best of the IIIs" "There are some IVs I imagine could reach their skill, but none of them were trained since childhood."
jagged parcel
wat
gusty star
That's not my argument
My argument is that the IVs should not be listed as hyper lethal
Not most of them at least
left solar
yea but doom the spartans would be as skilled or less than the heavy weight
very uneven
jagged parcel
Why should spartan 4s by hyper lethal ?
humble yacht
Hyper lethal compared to humans
left solar
they shouldnt
jagged parcel
You cant really compare a spartan 4 to a spartan 3
left solar
you see one struggle with a basic elite in the cut scene for spartan ops
cedar surge
Well noble team sorta had trouble with elites in the we have been engaged scene
left solar
without the special jump packs and abilities built into the armor for advanced movement and versatility you see osiris use the 4s arent very powerful compared to a 2 or good 3s
gusty star
Those were extremely high ranking Sangheili, and Noble Team handled them pretty well.
humble yacht
At that time, those IVs were still green when it came to being Spartans. It’s not like Chief was instantly hyper lethal, he worked towards that
left solar
yea but that was a zealot highly skilled with advanced armor
humble yacht
Using the old definition, I mean
versed helm
Those were extremely high ranking Sangheili, and Noble Team handled them pretty well.
One did.
The rest, not so much.
jagged parcel
You cant compare the spartans 4 to t he spartans 3 one were in war which gave them even more expierience
left solar
3s also had weaker armor than 2s and 4s
left solar
did 2s ever get gen 2
left solar
ok now im really confused why they made it look like a fair fight
delicate notch
When will the spartan program evolve into something else? Or will it ever?
humble yacht
Because even if IIs are stronger, IVs are still Spartans
Also it wasn’t a death battle
versed helm
They didn't want to make Locke look weak either.
humble yacht
Also also, you can see Chief get serious in round 2
delicate notch
I hated that fight, was so B
jagged parcel
Btw how is chief so strong I mean some things he did are just basicaly impossible
humble yacht
Because it’s sci fi
left solar
yea with way less experience, freshly modified, and less physical capability. Im sure there are some things the gen2 wont help with
humble yacht
Locke may not have been a child soldier but he had different training than Chief
Specifically assassination type training
versed helm
There's a reason why only 33% of patients were successful.
left solar
All 2s are modified as kids and trained till death in some cases since then @jagged parcel
jagged parcel
what does that have to do with me ?
left solar
all were the best of humanity before being modified to
jagged parcel
I am now confused
humble yacht
Also it’s not like the IVs training is lax, they have Musa and Jun overseeing the training
left solar
2s were the best humanity could offer made better
delicate notch
No, but it want 20 years of training non stop
jagged parcel
all were the best of humanity before being modified to
@.....................#4525 seven year old Chief being the best of humanity ?
humble yacht
II’s had genetic markers that made them suitable for augmentation
jagged parcel
also isnt it better when you dont train your soldiers at young age like because of their psyche
left solar
which is why a lot had specific things they were better at. the things they already surpassed everyone else in made better
humble yacht
Talent only gets you so far
left solar
not talent
delicate notch
+1
cyan thunder
Luck
humble yacht
Innate ability is effective talent
left solar
physical capability. reaction time for chief as a example
cyan thunder
Chief wasn't the fastest, nor the strongest
left solar
all of the spartan 2s were special before being enhanced
no but he was extremely fast in it
jagged parcel
but not all 3 or were they ?
left solar
it was just something that was mentioned when reading about why he was chosen
cyan thunder
Right genes and right attitudes as we
delicate notch
Chief was an other story tho, he might have had the genetic marker but he was the inheritance of 100.000 years of evolution.
left solar
when they met him
humble yacht
@delicate notch not exactly
gilded mason
but he was the inheritance of 100.00 years of evolution.
That's all Reclaimers.
jagged parcel
Chief is in all points a special case
humble yacht
That statement by the librarian was referring to all Spartans, not specifically Chief
left solar
3s were people that had nothing to lose chosen for suicide missions
humble yacht
Chief was just the representation of her planning, not the only example
3s also had special genes
delicate notch
@humble yacht Really? I thought MC was the one. I learned something
humble yacht
But not as stringent
left solar
yes but im using a example about them having special capability
humble yacht
Because of the better augmentation process, specific gene markers weren’t needed like with the IIs
It’s not like the gene markers that the IIs had were the “strong” and “fast” genes
left solar
not saying chief was the fastest just one of the things i remembered that was one of his special traits
delicate notch
Was the spartans 2 all of the ones with the marker or just the ones oni could find?
jagged parcel
didnt he run one time so fast he broke his leg or smthng
humble yacht
In armor, yes
delicate notch
Yea, he ran 100km/60m/h.
I feel like the "broke his leg" was a "make him seem human" addition. Was no need for it really.
left solar
think about how much force it would take to make the bones on a spartan break
their bones were modified too
jagged parcel
did the UNSC ever had a plan if like chief or any other spartan would go just insane and starting to attack the UNSC or did they thought that this was impossible
delicate notch
They say their bones are "Virtually unbreakable" so breaking them by running fast seem weird.
humble yacht
Breaking them while misusing MJOLNIR armor which amplified their strength by orders of magnitude
delicate notch
Even tho, that would still not be "virtually unbreakable". To me that means more than
What a mjolnir suit can doo
jagged parcel
what are normal means by spartan standard
left solar
they had contingencies for if a spartan got infected by the flood. basically destroy the planet equivalent or further than glassing it.
left solar
yea but the unsc's nukes are insane
delicate notch
Nah, if the spartan was killed the core exploded. It was a nuke, not glassing.
#ThePredator
jagged parcel
they rather would kill millions of people then letting one spartan life actualy sounds like a good idea
delicate notch
basically destroy the planet equivalent or further than glassing it.```
That seems like more than just destroying the suittalking about myscnd
equivalent or further than
so not glassing
equivalent doesn't imply that is the action they will do
jagged parcel
true
delicate notch
Further than glassing it = Destroy the planet more than glassing.
humble yacht
Ok let’s just say that they take flood Spartans seriously
It doesn’t say whether they use havok or novas and only novas can crack planets
gilded mason
Also, they don't destroy the planet. Just the general area the Spartan was at.
delicate notch
Was it onyx where 299 spartans got killed?
versed helm
Yes, it was Onyx.
jagged parcel
throwing a nuke at one man to stop him
gilded mason
CORRUPTER Protocol dictates containment and immediate bombardment with orbital MAC strikes and fusion warheads; evacuation may not be possible in some situations.
versed helm
Was it onyx where 299 spartans got killed?
@delicate notch If you're thinking of Operation TORPEDO, then yes.
delicate notch
What is the timer of the spartan suit? Seems a bit plot holy. Dead sparan nr1 just waits an hour for the rest to die?
Wouldnt their armors explode pretty fast?
jagged parcel
Is Johnson considered a spartan ?
delicate notch
Hes a spartan 1
humble yacht
Not really
delicate notch
Kinda
humble yacht
Project Orion were retroactively subbed Spartan Is
jagged parcel
werent spartan 1 the one that failed
humble yacht
But they are no where near the level of other generations
No they were just too expensive with too few returns
left solar
I guess yea it depends what scale the threat is @gilded mason nova yes planet about gone
havok is something we could do today
jagged parcel
wasnt havoc just a more powerfull nuclear bomb ?
left solar
spartan running 60 mph though lets assume they need to launch a whole lot of havoks depending how long response is
30 mgaton
megaton
flood can further enhance since they arent obeying the human bodies limits even for a spartan
delicate notch
Spartans are harder to assimilate tho
obsidian thistle
To a degree
humble yacht
Graveminds appears to have a max range of influence
Otherwise the I05 gravemind could have just controlled all flood in the galaxy
obsidian thistle
There is the issue of the Delta Halo Gravemind and the Alpha Halo flood trying to make a Gravemind.
left solar
the flood can access it which allow them to store information without having to learn it individually
and even after being extinct
terse lava
Perhaps the flood there would have fallen under the influence of the delta gravemind had the proto formed more fully
It was....quite small
terse lava
Why do you doubt it?
delicate notch
Two or three connected graveminds wont make a keymind.
left solar
halo array will destroy anything stored via neural physics
obsidian thistle
Hard to say till we see a long range example happen.
humble yacht
There’s no evidence that a more advanced proto would more strongly connect with a full gravemind elswhere
jagged parcel
isnt a keymind the term for a proto grave mind and also a gravemind now
delicate notch
Keymind is the mega gravemind
left solar
keymind is like a planet size gravemind
obsidian thistle
I'm with Chimera on this. Its one of those things we simply cant tell as its a unprecedented case.
humble yacht
Proto graveminds and graveminds are types of keyminds
left solar
capable of commanding a galaxy or something
terse lava
Key mind is now a term for ALL flood intelligences
humble yacht
Keymind simply means a flood form that coordinates other flood
terse lava
In the forerunner era, it was specific for the planet-wide graveminds
terse lava
Mhm
humble yacht
Don’t have to like it
terse lava
I just like to think the forerunners termed it different then the modern era
delicate notch
I dont agree there @humble yacht Proto gravemind is a flood mind on a small area. When it gets to a gravemind it can connect to a planet. And a keymind has the same ratio from proto gravemind to a gravemind like a gravemind to a keymind. Pro = level 1, grave = level 2 and keymind = level 3
humble yacht
lol whut
cyan thunder
Near the end of Cryptum (Born has just returned to his family) it's a slog of a book compared to the Nylund and Karen Travis series.
Is the Key Mind referenced in Silentium or Primordium? I know most of the major plot points for the series so I don't care too much about spoilera
humble yacht
Being a gravemind has nothing to do with “connecting to a planet”
obsidian thistle
"A question arose from some of our more dedicated and impassioned fans: is the Key Mind entity a stage leading to the formation of a Gravemind OR is it another level beyond the complexity of the Gravemind? The answer is…Yes. This is not an either/or scenario. Let me explain…
Once the Flood parasite establishes itself with combat forms and other infected entities, it captures sentients to fuse their neurosystems together with pure Flood cells to create coordinating bodies known as key minds. There are various types of these Flood forms, from the relatively simple Proto-Gravemind agglomerations, to the apex Gravemind forms through which the parasite’s true intelligence can manifest. Specialized key minds are also assembled if the Flood is allowed to spread out of control, including mobile command forms and specialized meta-networks that harness the neurosystems of entire planetary population for the purpose of controlling Flood activities at an interstellar scale."
left solar
so even a juggernaut is keymind now?
left solar
i hate when 343 just goes lets rewrite lore cause why not. not like we should work on making a good storyline in the game this time
pull a ubisoft
humble yacht
ATN has a lot of issues like that
left solar
not working on what they should
ubisoft idk how they go 5 years then finally say you know what this esports game we have rainbow six is moderately buggy
delicate notch
@obsidian thistle So pro = level 1, gravmind = level 2, Key = level 3. Basically. I wounder what level 4 is, solar system range?
cyan thunder
Was Greg Bear 343 or Bungie era?
humble yacht
343
delicate notch
Thats more than I know. I just asumed that bigger = higher intelligence and further range.
left solar
yes but its not 343 actually rewriting lore for no reason
jagged parcel
I find it already dumb enough that the flood has something likw a Gravemind I mean even without one they are already to strong
terse lava
It does but they are now all "keyminds"
left solar
the halo wars 2 thing is
terse lava
Well without a gravemind they are just fancy fungus
humble yacht
343 was like “you want flood? Here’s some flood”
left solar
i think bethesda needs to hire writers to make cannon TES books
terse lava
Eh I was ok with ATN
delicate notch
Atn?
left solar
that is a massive universe that bethesda doesnt touch much for no reason
terse lava
Awaken the Nightmare
obsidian thistle
Its more "Feral, Coordinated, Interstellar, Transgalactic" and less tied to Key Minds and so on.
left solar
its possibly their most successful and the only one right now people want to continue
besides fallout
but theyve never done a good job in house on that
jagged parcel
Isnt there still the possibility that there are massive flood clusters in other Galaxys ?
left solar
story or the game actually functioning properly
humble yacht
Yes, there could be flood outside the Milky Way
obsidian thistle
Anything is possible with the Flood. They did vanish for a period.
terse lava
Yep
jagged parcel
Btw how big was the range of the halos
delicate notch
Vanish for anything we know.
terse lava
Though think they would be trapped in the local supercluster due to sheer size
25,000 lightyears
obsidian thistle
Ever heard the theory that the Flood is just waiting for the Halos to be decommissioned before they try and return.
left solar
the flood are like the brethren moons in dead space. They come and go as they please. Wait till there is enough biomass to thrive on a large scale
humble yacht
Eh
jagged parcel
Together they cover the whole galaxy
@humble yacht do you mean the milky way
humble yacht
The brethren moon are more nefarious
terse lava
Yes the whole galaxy
left solar
yea but they have the same goal and are both very patient
terse lava
Their goal isn't fully the same
left solar
both need the cycle to survive
humble yacht
The brethren moons influence the creation of intelligent life so they can make more of them
That’s metal
left solar
flood will starve
terse lava
Flood want life to eternally suffer. The Moons just want flesh
delicate notch
Flood > Dead space spook (I dont recall what its called)
jagged parcel
so if just one flood infested shipt managed to get out of the galaxy and into another or in the great void between two galaxys they would have been ok and the halos didnt do anything ?
terse lava
The...necromorphs?
delicate notch
Yea, thats it
humble yacht
Also necromorphs spread by a signal. That’s more spooky than spreading by a cell
delicate notch
Its very much slower too.
jagged parcel
well then there are for sure still flood clusters
left solar
imagine if instead the forerunners had a system of locking the galaxy down but firing halos over and over outside the galaxy
shield worlds and other crazy things
obsidian thistle
Hard to lock a galaxy down.
jagged parcel
Imagine if just one flood infested ship of the forerunner era survived the halo
humble yacht
They couldn’t even keep the Mag Sphere locked down
left solar
i feel like one ship wouldnt be that hard to deal with
if it was forerunner then yea it could be though
jagged parcel
well if the ship is from the fore runner era then pretty sure it can do some things
left solar
i think its cool that the infinity has its own mobile assault group
jagged parcel
If infinite doesnt have flood...
humble yacht
I’ll be happy
left solar
i wonder if the unsc fleet was made up of ships like the infinity how the war would have gone
jagged parcel
I would be sad
humble yacht
i wonder if the unsc fleet was made up of ships like the infinity how the war would have gone
A lot better
left solar
Does the infinity outclass any covenant ship other than CSO
gilded mason
Infinity is probably about equal with a CAS Carrier
Though if the two ever went up against each other, whoever can make the first strike would probably be the victor.
humble yacht
Infinity has better engines and slipspace the chi
CAS probably has better shields
Infinity has the best MACs humanity ever made, tho
terse lava
If humanity could craft infinity class vessels during the war it would change little
left solar
i mean if they used a nova bomb and jumped cso gone like that
gilded mason
I'd rather NOVA bombs never come up in the lore ever again.
humble yacht
Lol
gilded mason
They're really, really dumb.
left solar
I mean there's lots of time in reach where they coulda used one
and problem solved
or a bunch
if they had them
gilded mason
If they used one at Reach, Reach would be obliterated.
left solar
start launching once autumn leaves
jagged parcel
I am pretty sure that even humanity today can built smthng like NOVA bombs without a problem
humble yacht
Yeah we can’t
gilded mason
NOVA bombs don't physically make sense.
humble yacht
Or at least we wouldn’t
Wouldn’t make sense using a bomb that made the planet uninhabitable
left solar
suicide after high charity with novas lol
terse lava
Hm?
west silo
How do nine high level nukes in a box create a planet buster
delicate notch
Didnt the amber clad explode?
gilded mason
PHYSICS
left solar
yea
terse lava
unggoy children cheer
humble yacht
No it never did
left solar
i though it did
terse lava
No
humble yacht
Nope
left solar
huh
delicate notch
D:
left solar
cortana messed up ther
humble yacht
Cortana stayed on HC in case she needed to blow it up
left solar
there
jagged parcel
i mean the biggest bomb we detonated was the Tsar bomba which already had so much energy that it went in the ouee atmosphere and that was like 50 years ago . Now Imagine what we have now I mean its not like planet gone but smthng like that
terse lava
And just...never did
delicate notch
Right
humble yacht
They do a lot of piercing damage
delicate notch
Infinites MAC equals like 1 gigaton of tnt
humble yacht
Planets are denser
terse lava
Pretty much
left solar
even smaller meteors do lots of damage
terse lava
But also depends on how fast it goes
humble yacht
Yeah but not planet ending damage
delicate notch
Way faster tho, they are like 10-30.000km/s
humble yacht
Just life ending
delicate notch
Withou*
left solar
or the rare material
humble yacht
Macs don’t leave fallout
terse lava
Likely
terse lava
Was a typo Chimera
delicate notch
They use 4000 tons of tungsten balls.
terse lava
Will still choose plasma each and every time for my planet ending plans
left solar
my computer i swear will do autocorrect and change words dunno how but discord i always have grammar and spelling errors
humble yacht
Of course you would because you’re an elite sympathizer
delicate notch
Disable it in windows.
terse lava
You say that like it's a bad thing
delicate notch
He is? Burn the witch
humble yacht
#DownWithDinos
gilded mason
God, I so want to do a FTFY regarding that hashtag...
left solar
steer requiem into high charity
gilded mason
But it'd probably get me a warning
left solar
make it the worlds largest life ending battering ram lol
terse lava
Hey just remember who messed up the galaxy more. The 3400 old Covenant, or a single human AI
delicate notch
The covenant I guess? :S
left solar
im just joking around here so no ones thinks im serious
humble yacht
Yea the covies
terse lava
Besides, I love the story potional from the Covenant and sangheili
delicate notch
Cov vs. Swords?
left solar
cov vs dead space
delicate notch
Dead Space 1 is a perfect horror game imo.
west silo
Sangheli Centric novel when?
left solar
i have it never played it
terse lava
As in...the Covenant or Jul's guys?
left solar
the mobile deadspace was scary too
terse lava
@west silo Broken Circle came out in 2015 and was an excellent Covenant focused novel
delicate notch
When were they mobile?
left solar
mobile game came out a long time ago dunno when but i had a original kindle fire at the time and it was new so
whenever that released will ballpark ti
it
terse lava
So around 2010-11
delicate notch
Aha, I thought you meant that DS was mobile on PC 😄
west silo
I know and shadow of intent qas good
humble yacht
I think if you put a red marker on high Charity, it would fall in a matter of days
left solar
i think it was a girl but dont remember fully
west silo
Vandel
delicate notch
The marker was slower and much more "Im gonna make you believe this so you can overthrow everything"
left solar
i watched one of the dead space movies too
west silo
She dies in the end
delicate notch
She was dead a the start
west silo
Of deadspace 1?
delicate notch
Ye
left solar
anyone here rocking a pair of electrostatic headphones
i want a pair
want reccomendations
terse lava
I would think k High Charity would at least out up a better defense then earth and other places did
humble yacht
I don’t want MB to come back
He had a satisfying end
I would think k High Charity would at least out up a better defense then earth and other places did
I mean it starts off making people go crazy and kill each other
Weak minded people fall faster
delicate notch
Youd like offensive bias to take its place? 😮 I just meant the same story. Mendicant bias vs. Offensive bias as the new Cortanta vs. "new Cortana".
humble yacht
I bet the grunts would succumb to the marker first and make a lot of bodies to form necromorphs
I’d like OB to be gone too
Would make sense for the character
delicate notch
Yea, but it do seem like they want to recreate the story with Cortana and New Cortana
delicate notch
Me too
Since Infinite is said to be semi-linier I would like to have a story based on both the banished and cortana.
With a couple of different endings
obsidian thistle
Please dont give us wiki folks a heart attack xD
delicate notch
Why? D:
delicate notch
Hehe 😄
obsidian thistle
Hard to be definitive if X can happen over Y xD
obsidian thistle
Halo 5 admittedly is the worst we have it with choice xD The rest of the series (outside isolated stuff) we know that the canon choices are.
CEA = John finds the terminals. H3 = John finds the terminals. H4 = John finds the terminals. ODST = Rookie finds all the audio logs. Reach = Noble 6 found the Data pads.
delicate notch
Halo 5.5 we kill all the terminals
Halo Infinite we become the carriers of the mantle
Id like if the mantle was something different from what the Forerunners thought it was.
feral perch
The Precursors defined the Mantle.
cedar surge
Apprently the mantle is dictatorship
west silo
Only the forerunners definition of it
feral perch
Ehh
craggy sierra
I'm still pretty sure the concept of the mantle is metaphorical.
feral perch
how so?
west silo
Only the precursors know the true definition of the mantle
craggy sierra
Like is it a physical thing that just grants the power to turn the species there into super saiyans or something or is it a metaphor for being the the species with their crap in order the most to assume responsibility for the galaxy?
feral perch
Ah yes, it is metaphorical
The Forerunners aren’t bunched on top of each other to wear a giant literal mantle
craggy sierra
tbh I can see the Halo universe moving to surpass the concept of a mantle or have its responsibility assumed by all races mutually.
Because the forerunners, kinda not that great people. We really shouldn't aspire to be most of what they are.
feral perch
that’s true
craggy sierra
The true mantle was the friends we made along the way
feral perch
I think the real mantle was this M6D I pried from a corpse’s hands.
cedar surge
I don't want humanity to be the ruler of every race
west silo
That's some nice heresy u got there
craggy sierra
I mean why are we letting a bunch of dead people dictate how to run the galaxy. If their methods were so good they probably wouldn't be dead.
feral perch
Cortana is a thing
craggy sierra
Yeah if anything she seems to be a good argument for why chasing the concept of the mantle is a bad idea.
terse lava
I would agree the forerunner idea of the mantle was a mistake, but the precursor version was hardly any better
craggy sierra
I feel like it'd be a fitting theme for us to surpass the mantle or do away with its concept by basically avoiding all the stuff both of those groups did
gilded mason
Luckily, Renegades actually touches on this
I think Rion talked about how it sounded like the Mantle would be better if it was all the species working together.
west silo
The only was reason the forerunner mantle failed was because of the flood
craggy sierra
I mean there were also only forerunners at the helm of it
They were kinda elitist
And also incredibly short sighted and dumb
gilded mason
Ye
west silo
Why shortsighted?
terse lava
The precursors were pretty bad too. "We protect life, energy, and matter....when we feel like it"
craggy sierra
So in the current day world we have conversations about toxic waste disposal of how to signify that there are hazardous materials dumped here of society collapsed and we have to convey this information to new age future cavemen.
west silo
To be honest the precursors are so high up in intelligence I don't think they understood the value of life
craggy sierra
Forerunners, by comparison used floaty words like "ascension" to describe the act of killing all sentient life and literally caused an entire false religion to rise up around their galactic death weapons
And then there's all the dumb decisions with the monitors
humble yacht
To be honest a so high up in intelligence I don't think they understood the value of life
hard to value the impermanence of life when you can pick and choose when and how you exist
craggy sierra
Basing them off human consciences without regard for how well the human psyche could withstand eons of isolation that caused guilty spartk to go coocoo for cocoa puffs.
west silo
hard to value the impermanence of life when you can pick and choose when and how you exist
@humble yacht
Exactly
craggy sierra
Like Halo is not ambiguous about how it frames the forerunners at all. They were not intelligent, just advanced.
humble yacht
there were booksmart but not street smart
gilded mason
High INT, low WIS?
craggy sierra
Yes
terse lava
Also the forerunners didnt craft a faith around their weapons. Their technologies did that
craggy sierra
They didn't, their own short sighted phrasing of their technologies' functionality did
west silo
They didn't, their own short sighted phrasing of their technologies' functionality did
@craggy sierra
Its no ones fault
craggy sierra
Like we as humans today in the 21st century make more foresighted decisions about waste disposal than the forerunners did about death weapons
terse lava
"Forerunner technology can last millions of years...dialouge...not so much"
craggy sierra
they called the act of killing everyone "ascension."
terse lava
They never said that?
craggy sierra
That is 110% their fault for the covenant getting the wrong idea
humble yacht
maybe it was just covenant misinterpretation
terse lava
One which Mendicant let go for eons, never correcting
humble yacht
mendicant was an oddball
craggy sierra
Monitors should've been dumb AIs with translation software that literally just played the message "press button to end all life" on loop.
terse lava
He wasnt shut down like Enduring Bias after the Rending, it was said he outright taught the san shyuum reformists how to craft weapons and ships
craggy sierra
Not sentience that can succumb to the effects of eons of isolation
west silo
That is 110% their fault for the covenant getting the wrong idea
@craggy sierra
Dude it just a translation error like if someone took nein for meaning nine
craggy sierra
And then there's also everything about forerunner culture where they just had to build everything to be super excessive to determine societal value
So like we really really should not aspire to that
humble yacht
i don't think humanity is trying to be like forerunners
craggy sierra
Spartan was saying it was heresy that humanity should reject the concept of the mantle or share its responsibility with all races mutually
humble yacht
oh?
craggy sierra
So my arguing point was that the previous races that believed in the concept of the mantle weren't exactly good role models
humble yacht
psh, the mantle goes against the idea of modern human society
humans like freedom
like chief said, the mantle is imperial rule
terse lava
The only ones who came close to holding the mantle properly were the lifeworkers. They actually tried to protect life
west silo
Spartan was saying it was heresy that humanity should reject the concept of the mantle or share its responsibility with all races mutually
@craggy sierra
It was a joke u ever seen warhammer 40k?
craggy sierra
Considering Heresy is a term that gets thrown around in Halo a lot I can't exactly say Warhammer was my first assumption.
humble yacht
i say let all the races govern themselves, no one race should be above all the others
that just develops fat heads
humble yacht
if a race like the brutes nukes themselves to death, tough luck
terse lava
What if they attack a weaker race like the unggoy thoufh?
humble yacht
hm
terse lava
That's where the forerunners likely got their idea
gilded mason
Also, everyone segregating themselves according to race sounds just a bit...not good.
terse lava
My personal head canon would be the forerunnere developed their imperial version of the mantle after having to deal with nightmarish creatures early in their history. Thus they felt as the most advanced they had to protect the galaxy
west silo
Wasn't it that they took care of the species and the species govern themselves . U guys make it sound like the forerunners were the space mafia
terse lava
We are told in warfleet there were things neither precursor nor forerunner could defeat
That were locked away in prisons of crystalized time
west silo
law of nature would say the strong live and the weak die
@humble yacht
Am getting strong senator Armstrong vibes
craggy sierra
crystalized time
What the hell even is Halo lore.
west silo
What the hell even is Halo lore.
@craggy sierra
Something beautiful
humble yacht
hey man, with muscles like that, how could he be wrong?
terse lava
Who would dare argue
humble yacht
played college ball, ya know
west silo
The crystallized time thing could just be one of the forerunners time manipulating devices left on like the one on onyx which made the entire halo event look like it happened a few years ago
played college ball, ya know
@humble yacht
How'd u even get elected
humble yacht
I don't write my own speeches
terse lava
I chuckled more then this exchange deserved
west silo
I chuckled more then this exchange deserved
@terse lava
I have a dream
terse lava
I do need capital, and votes
As for the crystalized time, I think it may be precursor tech that ancient forerunners could have used back when they were more advanced
humble yacht
that time had to come from somewhere
whose time did they steal to make the time crystals?
west silo
whose time did they steal to make the time crystals?
@humble yacht
Obviously they used the 4 weeks time that was missing in first strike
terse lava
They just took the time crystal
west silo
Or maybe the year in tfor wasn't wrong and they stoled it all along
X-Files theme
humble yacht
how much time did the change with the time crystal? 4 weeks?
They crystalized Rtas's screen time
that's why we haven't seen him since H3
west silo
Wasn't he in the opening cutscene for H2A
gilded mason
No.
west silo
Well he was in shadow of intent
gilded mason
Though he'd probably have a different voice actor if Rtas came back. Hopefully somebody who can imitate the previous voice.
humble yacht
understudy, huh
west silo
that's different from page time
@humble yacht > nobody cares about page time
@humble yacht
Unless ur tfor of course
humble yacht
it's a hit or miss with understudies, even close matches can't hit it exactly
when Iroh's voice actor changed, I never got used to it
west silo
Though he'd probably have a different voice actor if Rtas came back. Hopefully somebody who can imitate the previous voice.
@gilded mason
Brute 3 maybe
humble yacht
RIP Mako
gilded mason
RIP Mako
humble yacht
on this day, Human and Elite came together in solemn remembrance
west silo
on this day, Human and Elite came together in solemn remembrance
@humble yacht
Ha because he has an elite propic
versed helm
blarg
humble yacht
i think i shed a tear during Iroh's tale in Tales of Bah Sing Se
that one hits in the feels
versed helm
honk
gilded mason
There are no tears in Ba Sing Se.
glad dawn
back when halo 5 came out i had my own theory as to why the arbiters mandibles moved to be behind hi eyes. in my mind it was akin to how your eyes turned blue if you live on that one planet in dune for too long. i thought the elites ate a food that needed more muscular mandibles and it was just a dormant gene. what do you guys think?
gilded mason
what do you guys think?
I think that's very creative of you.
glad dawn
thank you
but it is shot down be the fact that when we see sanghelios in the short story about the arbiter all of the elites have the classic style of mandible
versed helm
@glad dawn love your name
glad dawn
so far
craggy sierra
I tend to not think too hard about artistic changes between games.
cedar surge
Wonder how useful freelancers would actually be in lore
unique rune
As in RvB Freelancers?
cedar surge
Yep
There is a bunch of things I like in that universe
But it started losing me when they started talking about gods
unique rune
I can't imagine they'd be much more useful than ODSTs in the Halo universe.
But in general it's hard to gauge because RvB obviously makes lots of exaggerations and choices that irreconcilable with the real Halo universe.
cedar surge
Well obviously they have weaker armor than normal spartans
But their mission was to take out the innsurectionists while the unsc fights the covenant
Which I thought was cool
fervent glade
Why did the infected spartans in halo 4 look so strange?
cedar surge
Funny thing is that RvB was the largest piece of media to show the Halberd
@fervent glade design change of the flood,genetics and biology of spartans
fervent glade
where is the infection form?
cedar surge
Well you don't exactly have to get infected by a infection form
unique rune
Halo 4's Flood Spartans aren't actually "real", just simulated guesses as to what an infected Spartan might look like, since there haven't been any known cases of actual Spartans being infected.
unique rune
And, yeah, it's also possible to be infected via Flood spores. Just takes a bit longer than conversion via pod.
fervent glade
an Infection form could bust through the armor of a spartan
cedar surge
I don't think a infection formvwoulf fit under there
fervent glade
I figured the spartans were infected by spores I just wasn't sure if 343 was just being lazy or if that was the real reason
cedar surge
Also huh what? Why would it be in the sword? Spartan hands or arms are big but not big enough to fit a infection form
unique rune
I don't believe there's been any official reason why
It's all really just speculation
cedar surge
Spore seems likely
fervent glade
I wish Elites were playable in halo 4 multiplayer
unique rune
But at the core of it you just need to remember we don't have any prior examples of Flood-infected Spartans
So I'd imagine that's a big part of it
terse lava
The s4s did deal with flood outbreaks so I could see them being modeled on actual infection
cedar surge
Even if a spartan get infected
The unsc will not let it be infected for long
mac round in the distance
terse lava
Well really an infected spartan wouldn't be that much of a danger
glad dawn
dude they can lift a jeep
terse lava
Not much more then an infected sangheili or jiralhanae
fervent glade
Halo 2 Anniversary spartan in infection. Look it up
cedar surge
And have valuable information
terse lava
The info is gone the moment the infection is finished
west silo
And advanced armor
fervent glade
Warthog probably weighs more than a Jeep
terse lava
The flood keep that off the bat
terse lava
Yea it is, humanity wont be protecting that, its lost to the flood already
That's what I said
cedar surge
How exactly would you hide information like the location of entire planets
fervent glade
I wondered that about Reach
terse lava
If the spartan gets infected, you arent hiding it any longer
craggy sierra
I think they literally have protocol to nuke from orbit if a spartan gets infected
cedar surge
So the only safe bet on eradicating the flood is to retreat to the ark with what's left of your population and blasting the galaxy with nova bombs. ONI would like that
terse lava
Yes but it wont stop the information from already being known by the flood
fervent glade
you could glass the flood before it gets out of hand
terse lava
Again you could yes
craggy sierra
I don’t think the ark is even immune from the full array
cedar surge
Yea but they still have that infornation
glad dawn
if they have a grave mind with an injected spartan, all of humanity ends
terse lava
The ark is beyond the galaxy. Its outside of the halo range
cedar surge
What would be worse if the head of ONI got infected
fervent glade
Unless chief comes across the spartan
craggy sierra
Correction, if there’s a gravemind at all PERIOD humanity ends.
terse lava
Not really, could still glass/nuke it from orbit of it's on the surface
fervent glade
no. Halo 2 and three had a gravemind who got defeated by one spartan
craggy sierra
I’ve said it before but it’s almost a writing oversight in H3 that the universe isn’t dead
cedar surge
Even the banished managed to beat a about to become gravemind
unique rune
One Spartan and a looooooot of explosives... and an ancient Forerunner weapon.
cedar surge
Plus would you rather split your forces to infect a already evacuated planet or to full on attack the weapon capable of killing you
craggy sierra
Like the Gravemind claimed High Charity and dozens of if not hundreds of ships along with it most likely. He should’ve been spamming those out all over the place across the galaxy and the fact that he just didn’t think to do that really honestly reads to me as bungie sweeping how OP he is under the rug and needing an easy out.
cedar surge
Plus even though HC is large they could nuke it
west silo
no. Halo 2 and three had a gravemind who got defeated by one spartan
@fervent glade
The gravemind in 2 was glassed and 3 got blown up and then haloed and still survived
craggy sierra
...it was the same one in both
cedar surge
@craggy sierra the sangheli fleet actual was destroying the infected ships
craggy sierra
Across the entire galaxy?
cedar surge
At high charity
fervent glade
yeah I didn't say they were different but my point was that in neither of those games did the galaxy die at the graveminds hands
cedar surge
The flood only got on HC
west silo
Like the Gravemind claimed High Charity and dozens of if not hundreds of ships along with it most likely. He should’ve been spamming those out all over the place across the galaxy and the fact that he just didn’t think to do that really honestly reads to me as bungie sweeping how OP he is under the rug and needing an easy out.
@craggy sierra.
The defense fleet of thousands were stopping any ships from getting away and lots all its power with the keyship
fervent glade
Although I agree that the gravemind probably would have had the galaxy in his hands at that point
if it not for plot armor
craggy sierra
Tbh I kinda hope the flood stay away from the series for that reason.
fervent glade
I don't. They're a thousand times more fun to fight than the prometheans and thats definitely saying something
craggy sierra
Big disagree and my statement never even had to do with gameplay anyways
I mean narratively. They’re played out because of how narrow a focus they have.
fervent glade
There are ways to keep them at bay that would be logical
clever fable
I'd like the Flood to come back, but there are portions of their story that are better suited for novels.
Not that it ever "left" I guess.
fervent glade
I would also like to see them because more gravemind quotes
glad dawn
wait if the flood inside high charity lived. could they build a proto?
fervent glade
they did