#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 354

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Nah, they just kind of look stupid to me.

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Post war forerunners just look to floaty to me

little fulcrum Jul 9, 2020, 3:08 PM

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The new one looks like a lot of disconnected pieces, which I don't think forerunner stuff from the older games had, although this is just from memory

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Same goes with the unsc military

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The unsc post war navy looks like a almost different navy

little fulcrum Jul 9, 2020, 3:09 PM

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The UNSC looks like how computers started to go, smaller and better

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 3:10 PM

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The unsc navy mostly looks like generic sci fi to me

little fulcrum Jul 9, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Part or most of that could also be because of different art styles :p

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I kinda agree, but some changes make a little sense

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Like what?

little fulcrum Jul 9, 2020, 3:12 PM

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For the spartan armor, since they decided advanced movement or whatever, the armor looking less bulky (kinda) to me seems to fit what they were going for

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That's mostly just my opinion tho, although I like the older armor more still

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 3:25 PM

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I like to think that they have less armour in the future generations because of the weaker augmentations.

little fulcrum Jul 9, 2020, 3:26 PM

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Oh that probably is it too

stiff creek Jul 9, 2020, 4:07 PM

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GEN2 is a little weaker than GEN1, but it's a tad cheaper.

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 4:07 PM

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uh, i don't think it's weaker

stiff creek Jul 9, 2020, 4:07 PM

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splatter

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Has it ever been specified, Chimera?

fair hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:09 PM

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It’s not weaker..

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Considering that GEN2 armor was stated to bring Spartan-IVs in line with Spartan-IIs wearing GEN1, I'd say it was an advancement

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it's possible the lighter, more modular frame of the out armor provides slightly less protection compared to GEN1, but the strength enhancement certainly is better

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 4:14 PM

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I see, but doesn't the Spartan 2 augmentations compensate for the strength loss?

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 4:18 PM

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what? no

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a spartan IV in gen2 is equal to a spartan II in GEN1

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spartan IIs have more strength from their augs than the IVs so the IVs make up for it with GEN2 armor

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Yeah, so the augmentations compensate for the GEN 1's poor strength enhancements.

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 4:19 PM

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no, GEN2 compensates for the IVs

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also calling GEN1's strength enhancement poor is just wrong

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Oh, okay then.

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:18 PM

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So a spartan 2 is stronger in gen 2 then a spartan 4 in gen 2

unique rune Jul 9, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Presumably.

But I don't believe there's anything official on the gap between the two.

last anchor Jul 9, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Probably never will be.
I wouldnt be surprised if the strength amplification of the GEN 2 was more than the GEN 1 though simply due to overall technically and mechanical improvements.
Same as how GEN 2s shield system is quite obviously more effective than Gen 1s.

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Plus the additional packages and all the other stuff we saw in 4 and 5

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Spartan 4 in Gen 3 is said to equal a S2 in Gen 2 I think

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So a S2 in Gen 3 should be superior to an S4 in Gen 3

gilded mason Jul 9, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Where was that said?

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:38 PM

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logically

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I think its mentioned somewhere in canon

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or its theorized in canon

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don't recall where

gilded mason Jul 9, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Yeah, I don't ever recall reading about that.

carmine sleet Jul 9, 2020, 5:39 PM

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We've not seen Gen 3 in action in canon yet

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Was it gen 3 or gen 2 armor?

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Well, excluding the trailer anyway.

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:41 PM

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GEN2 is worn by spartan IVs. Gen3 has only been seen in discover hope

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:42 PM

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I just remember reading that the amor worn by 4's was to compensate for the inferior augmentations so as to bridge the gap in ability and efficiency between the 2s and 4s.

gilded mason Jul 9, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Yeah - that's Gen2 S4 being equal to Gen1 S2

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:43 PM

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That must be it then

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So S2 Gen 2 should logically be superior to S4 in Gen 2

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:44 PM

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In terms of raw strength, possibly, but we don’t know by how much

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:44 PM

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I doubt we ever find out

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I'd love for MC to wear an AH armor one day

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:45 PM

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A what?

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:45 PM

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But i doubt it cos Mjolnir is iconic to Halo

gilded mason Jul 9, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Ancient human. And no thank you

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:45 PM

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An Ancient human amror suit

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Oh, I read it as achievement hunter

gilded mason Jul 9, 2020, 5:45 PM

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It'd feel way too..."super special" for John to get to wear one.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:45 PM

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It wouldn't be recognisable as MC to casual players

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:45 PM

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What does it look like?

carmine sleet Jul 9, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I read it as that too, Chimera

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:46 PM

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and AH armor would be OP compared to modern halo species armor

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Wear hellcat armor

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Wow, it looks really generic.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:46 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/5/5f/H4-Concept-PreHuman-Armor.jpg

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Looks like something from Crysis

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:47 PM

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So white TRON armour.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:47 PM

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i think

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That armor in image looks nothing like TRON suit

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:48 PM

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I disagree but we all have different opinions.

carmine sleet Jul 9, 2020, 5:48 PM

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We see some Ancient Humans wearing it in one of the cutscenes and in the terminals in Halo 4, it looks more grey in those

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:48 PM

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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e1/70/97/e170978bda009c3992a16e05e04c0456.jpg

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Yeah this totally looks like that armor in the image above....

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:49 PM

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As I said, white TRON armour.

last anchor Jul 9, 2020, 5:49 PM

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It could probbaly adjust its coloration to suit the enviroment. Even in the past future advancedness of themselves ancient Humanity knew how to hide in plain sight

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Generic padding with lights.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Thats just this amor with white LED lighting

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:49 PM

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I like it

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Are you sure that’s not from tron tho

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:50 PM

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It is

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Even has a stick on its leg like tron

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:50 PM

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tron legacy

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Thought so

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:50 PM

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wait you mean the AH armor

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:50 PM

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He was just comparing them.

last anchor Jul 9, 2020, 5:50 PM

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they're compairing AH armor and Tron armor.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Yeah they look nothing alike

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:50 PM

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To you.

last anchor Jul 9, 2020, 5:50 PM

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I think the main comparison is the helmet and the glow.

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:51 PM

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I personally think so, KH.

last anchor Jul 9, 2020, 5:51 PM

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And that they're both skintight looking light-style plates

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Thats close enough to me IMO

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Yeah, the generic padding...

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With lights...

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Who cares if they look alike, the tron design is nice

last anchor Jul 9, 2020, 5:51 PM

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InB4 Ancient Humans assauled the Prometheans using glowing hardlight motorcycles

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:51 PM

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I like it better than the AH concept art tbh

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Who cares if they look alike, the tron design is nice
Yeah but I think Chief deserves a more visually distinct armour set.

last anchor Jul 9, 2020, 5:51 PM

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I mean its Tron. Cant go wrong with Tron.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:51 PM

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I agree Tron suits look epic.

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Say what you will about the acting, legacy had great music and costumes

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Heck i wanted tron look for ancient humans before we got what we got

last anchor Jul 9, 2020, 5:52 PM

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For Chief, what about a hardlight version of his current armor?

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Like someone neon edge highlighted him

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Say what you will about the acting, legacy had great music and costumes
Son of Flynn and Derezzed were my favourite tracks.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:52 PM

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But the Forerunners took tron legacy aesthetic for requiem

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TRON Legacy is a masterpiece

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I will die on that hill

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I wouldn't say a masterpiece but it's underrated.

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Well I guess you’re excited for tron 3 then

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I consider it brilliant

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I thought that was cancelled?

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I wanna be but i dont think it happening

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Not anymore

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:53 PM

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ever

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Oh it’s happening

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Oh, will Daft Punk make the score again?

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:53 PM

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legacy didnt do aswell as hoped

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:53 PM

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They’re talking about it

last anchor Jul 9, 2020, 5:54 PM

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I hope so.

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:54 PM

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That would be lovely.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:54 PM

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I heard a disney plus show could happen

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:54 PM

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No thanks.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:54 PM

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but i'd want legacy's cast back

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any sequel i'd want the cast back

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Well prepare for a bubble burst there

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:54 PM

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also bring back the old guy from first film

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Anyway, I see what you mean about the similarities between the armour and the Nanosuit.

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Jeff bridges? His character ded

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:55 PM

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the nanosuit from crysis

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thats the one

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:55 PM

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I know.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Flynn is not confirmed dead

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He was a user and basicall God in the Grid. He could in theory survive in some form

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Heck its implied he cant be derezzed in the first film

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as he survives things he that he really shouldnt have been able to

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:56 PM

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They can’t be derezzed but they can bleed so they can die

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:56 PM

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We'll see, we might not even get another film.

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Didn’t Predator reach you anything?

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Bruh like I said

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Oof.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Yeah i doubt we get another movie

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:56 PM

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It’s happening

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Lol. Disney confirmed it

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Look at Indiana Jones 5.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Predator? I didnt see the last one and have no desire to more right now

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:57 PM

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They want Jared Leto to star

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Good grief.

last anchor Jul 9, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Can we not PLEASE

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:57 PM

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I dont think Leto is right for tron

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:57 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Take it up with Disney

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Predator? I didnt see the last one and have no desire to more right now
@jolly furnace He was joking, it's a reference for the first film.

last anchor Jul 9, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Im just not a fan of Jared Leto period so.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Oh sorry.

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:58 PM

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"If it bleeds, we can kill it."

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Learn your Arnold quotes, dandelion

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Still dont wanna see any more predator right now

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And its owned by disney now

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:58 PM

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I prefer the Elites over Predators, even though Elites are just an off-brand version, lol.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 5:59 PM

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i wonder who wins in a fight...

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i'd give the elite the edge

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Elites don’t take life as seriously

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Oof.

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Actually maybe they do

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Maybe elites are just emo predators

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 5:59 PM

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The Covenant's warriors don't.

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Thel is the biggest doomer of them all.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Alien and predator is in limbo right now outside of alien books.

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 6:00 PM

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There is the game, lmao.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Oh yeah that......

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any good?,...

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Yeah... no.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 6:01 PM

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ok then

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So limbo then

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 6:01 PM

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“Their lives matter to me; yours does not.”
“That makes two of us.”
Like good grief, Thel, such a Sad Larry

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 6:01 PM

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It's basically just a worst version of the Friday The 13th title they made.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 6:02 PM

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I see.

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 6:02 PM

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I like how broken Thel is but sometimes it comes across as excessive.

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We get it, Thel, you don't like living anymore.

last anchor Jul 9, 2020, 6:02 PM

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They should have replaced Blow Me Away in the Masuleum with Crawling In My Skin.
Cause the Arbiters are all SO EDGY

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Some of them weren't.

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Or In The End

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 6:03 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Unidentified_Arbiter_(Taming_of_the_Lekgolo)

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This one is okay, but that's because we don't know too much about him.

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 6:04 PM

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The mausoleum is a lie anyway

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 6:04 PM

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How?

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Some of those tombs are empty

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Oh, right.

jolly furnace Jul 9, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Silence fills the empty grave now that I have gone.

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 6:05 PM

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I always thought it would have been cool if Thel had to fight off infected Arbiters from the Mausoleum in H3.

gilded mason Jul 9, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Wasn't that an idea that Bungie was considering?

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 6:05 PM

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I don't know.

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 6:05 PM

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In all likelihood, any actual corpses would have been mummified

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 6:06 PM

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I just randomly thought about it once.

fair hazel Jul 9, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Ooo mummy flood

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 6:06 PM

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I don’t think a mummy flood would be very dangerous

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Theliana Jones and The Annoying Flood.

fair hazel Jul 9, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Why not?

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Not as much biomass, organs removed

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Desiccated

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Well, maybe the Covenant believed different things and did not remove their organs?

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While having a perfect way to preserve their bodies?

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Maybe, but that’s done to help the preservation in addition to ritual

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Well, what I listed would be the requirements for my idea anyway.

fair hazel Jul 9, 2020, 6:08 PM

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But maybe they’re statically preserver mummies

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Remind me,wasn't the star that Janjur Qom orbited described as being unstable?

torn elbow Jul 9, 2020, 6:56 PM

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I eatched

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Warrior and soldier are not base armor

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Pretty beauty

last anchor Jul 9, 2020, 7:39 PM

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I know for sure no one ever retrieved Ripa Moramee's corpse cause its kinda...well, first splattered on the inside of a Shield world and then asploded.
And then whatever was left of it was asploded again by the UNSC for asset denial.

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 7:48 PM

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It's probably why there are empty graves, since they couldn't recover the corpses of Arbiters.

quiet umbra Jul 9, 2020, 8:22 PM

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corpse recovery in space seems like a dodgy prospect.

craggy sierra Jul 9, 2020, 8:26 PM

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If it’s within a localized area it’s probably doable.

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Like cleanup after the space battles surrounding earth in 2&3

echo prawn Jul 9, 2020, 8:45 PM

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They should really give the elites and underjaw.

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 8:51 PM

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No why would you take away one of the most recognizable thing about elites

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 9:11 PM

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So uh, are the new CE skins canon? postums

carmine sleet Jul 9, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Well, I saw that a Ghost skin was called Schism, that's based off of the colours of the Covenant Separatist's (The Elites) Phantom seen in Halo 3

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Wait, they're called "Separatists" in H3?

gilded mason Jul 9, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Think it might be a fan term

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Let me see when Thel re-established the SoS.

carmine sleet Jul 9, 2020, 9:16 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Covenant_separatists

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Thank you.

carmine sleet Jul 9, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Basically it was a brief time they were known as that and once the war was over, Thel re-established the SoS

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It's not like he immediately established the SoS once they were betrayed

versed helm Jul 9, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Right, but a lot happened between H2 and H3.

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So I was unsure.

carmine sleet Jul 9, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Aye, that is fair

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 10:56 PM

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Halo odst:Requim

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Halo odst:sanghelios

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Halo:battle of harvest

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Out these three which one is the best

humble yacht Jul 9, 2020, 10:57 PM

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None

gusty star Jul 9, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Why would ODST be on Sanghelios

gilded mason Jul 9, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Depends, Does the second one mean you play as an ODST on Sanghelios, or do you play as an ODST-like Elite squad on Sanghelios

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Yes

cyan thunder Jul 9, 2020, 11:01 PM

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ODSTs weren't on requiem

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:02 PM

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I'm just making stuff up

cyan thunder Jul 9, 2020, 11:02 PM

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In that case
Harvest would be pretty darn cool

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:02 PM

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Throwing everything at a wall to see what sticks

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Yea harvest was fought over for 5 years

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So plenty of big battles to fight in

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I'm not sure if people would like Bering marines though...

cyan thunder Jul 9, 2020, 11:04 PM

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A buck prequel game perhaps?
If something was to be set on Harvest you could be part of Project Orion

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:05 PM

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I'm not sure if buck was on harvest

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Johnson and forge were there though

cyan thunder Jul 9, 2020, 11:07 PM

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Neither am I, but a game centered around Buck pre earth I'd be all for.

I enjoy the spin offs, it's a huge world bungie and 343 have built plenty of other stories out there than Master Chief

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Yea people didn't like the arbiter,noble six, or the rookie cause you weren't the master chief

terse lava Jul 9, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Good thing I wasnt one of them

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Think halo could have had a more enjoyable expansion if they hadn't focused solely on chief

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:25 PM

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"Could"?

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Is halo not enjoyable anymore?

craggy sierra Jul 9, 2020, 11:25 PM

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Are we talking about in-place of ODST cause I'm gonna have to firm disagree if we are

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Talking about harvest spin off game

craggy sierra Jul 9, 2020, 11:26 PM

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oh

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Probably one of the biggest ground battle in lore

craggy sierra Jul 9, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Man is there much different about the events of harvest that would even differ it much from Reach?

terse lava Jul 9, 2020, 11:27 PM

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I never said it wasnt fun, just that I figure chances were lost because they focused so much on the chief

craggy sierra Jul 9, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Like I know it was the first contact and all that

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But isn't the motions still the same? Fight a desparate losing fight and then retreat when the glass starts raining?

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:28 PM

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I think its one of the few planets the unsc actually won back?

craggy sierra Jul 9, 2020, 11:28 PM

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I don't think so

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Yea its glassed to hell and back but going by halo wars the unsc took it back

craggy sierra Jul 9, 2020, 11:29 PM

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If memory serves human rebels came back after and camped out in some asteroids around the planet in the cole protocol I believe but there's not much point in reclaiming the planet

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Since it's been kinda glassed

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Although its glassed it still belongs to the unsc

craggy sierra Jul 9, 2020, 11:30 PM

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I feel like that's not really meant how it's meant to be viewed

gilded mason Jul 9, 2020, 11:30 PM

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I mean, the Covenant wouldn't really care about a planet after they glass it.

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:30 PM

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And since we know the guardians are terraforming planets they may unglass harvest

craggy sierra Jul 9, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Like someone can torch my car in a parking lot but I can come back and take the chassis after they leave. I wouldn't exactly call that winning back my car.

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Well you only lose if you think of it that way

terse lava Jul 9, 2020, 11:31 PM

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That's not a good comparison

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In this, you would have the tech to fully rebuild the car

gilded mason Jul 9, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Well you only lose if you think of it that way```
The black knight strategy?

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Like two warring nations fighting for a bombed to death island but one nation wins but there is nothing left?

craggy sierra Jul 9, 2020, 11:32 PM

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But the covenant don't care about harvest

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:32 PM

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They did

craggy sierra Jul 9, 2020, 11:33 PM

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And then they glassed it and moved on

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Yea they killed some unsc and left to arcadia

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Could the unsc establish a outpost on harvest?

craggy sierra Jul 9, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Besides if Reach is any indication I don't know if efforts to begin rebuilding glassed planets ever kicked off until well after the war

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:35 PM

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At the end reach dosent looked glassed anymore so either the unsc came back or guardians came and terraformed

craggy sierra Jul 9, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Noble also died out in the middle of a quarry

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Also if reach is on earth's doorstep why didn't the unsc try to unglass it first

craggy sierra Jul 9, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Glassing doesn't cover entire planet surfaces. It primarily goes for population centres and resources like farms and stuff.

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So there'd be no use to bother rebuilding in the un-glassed space until there was an assurance it wouldn't get immediately re-glassed if the covenant noticed.

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I.E. After the war

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Like glassed planets aren't inhospitable. It's just that with everything of value destroyed re-establishing the planets would be a massive up-front investment in time and resources. Resources that could be going towards the war effort that might need decades before you start seeing a turnaround on if put into re-establishing a colony.

cedar surge Jul 9, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Yea but after the war why not

craggy sierra Jul 9, 2020, 11:46 PM

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Well in that time period I wouldn't say we won Harvest back as much as we just...won the war

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Wouldnt call it a win

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More of a...survival

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 12:19 AM

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I would

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The covenant broke up

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Humanity won and pushed them out

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 12:22 AM

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I'd say it's more that Rtas' fleet pushed humanity to the finish line.

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 12:30 AM

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bruh

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rtas was da real mvp of Halo 3

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Indeed

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A perfect victory against a fleet three times larger than his own.

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 12:31 AM

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how do you know it was perfect?

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 12:31 AM

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I thought I remembered something about him not losing any ships in the battle

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 12:31 AM

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that sounds a little unrealistic

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like i know rtas is good strategist but zero losses?

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c'mon

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 12:32 AM

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I'll see if I can find what I was thinking of, if it wasn't simply a fever dream.

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Dialogue on The Ark doesn't say anything about Rtas losing any ships, though the Halopedia page has an unsourced infobox saying that the UNSC/Sangheili fleet lost a "moderate amount of Sangheili and human ships". So...no idea.

analog perch Jul 10, 2020, 12:41 AM

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Most likely compete destruction of loyalist fleet with acceptable losses for rtas

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That’s my belief anyway

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Have a good night

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 12:46 AM

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yea i wouldn't expect rtas to report his losses to chief during the campaign

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 12:47 AM

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I meant more from radio chatter you hear throughout the level

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You can hear Rtas and the opposing brute ships shouting orders

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 1:13 AM

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You know a Orion class would have been useful on the ark

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Just manufacture everything you need on site

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Why is hood so concerned with the master chief leaving?

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Chief is only going with a few Charon classes

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And there are other Spartans still alive

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 1:20 AM

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not on earth

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the other living spartans were trapped on onyx or off world

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Well there has to be enough troops over the globe to defend

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The covenant targeted key areas not the whole planet

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So there should still be enough of a fighting force less

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And marines even took back the cities

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 1:28 AM

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well a flood army was on its way and the UNSC was not equipped to deal with that, and chief was leaving

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so of course Hood was concerned

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 2:04 AM

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Hellbringers would be useful

lethal comet Jul 10, 2020, 2:21 AM

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were all bullfrog odsts expended on reach?

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 2:46 AM

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I don't think their fate is known, so the unit was either wiped out as the fighting continued or whatever remained of the unit got off Reach.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Wonder how many soldiers managed to fight off of reach

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 3:10 AM

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A few million or at least a few thousand?

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 3:26 AM

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A few thousand would probably be the upper limit of survivors

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Even with the hundreds of millions of soldiers stationed at reach?

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Yea, only so many evac areas

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And the soldiers would likely more often then not be too busy fighting off the covenant to evacuate

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If they weren't, would be guarding evac sites

craggy sierra Jul 10, 2020, 3:35 AM

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I mean they were running civilian evacs for weeks and I’m sure the military was pulling out too after a certain point.

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 3:35 AM

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Couldnt really evac anyway ince the full force of the covenant arrived. They stayed in orbit for some time

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Couldn't the unsc load civilians on a massive ship and have them slipspace evac like the covenant did in 2?

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 3:47 AM

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No, they lack such a vessel unless you wanna pack them onto a warship. Said ship also lacks the ability to jump in the atmosphere. If they try to go to orbit they get zapped

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 4:49 AM

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A person really said what's the point of Odsts when you got spartans

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 4:50 AM

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They would be right if they were as numerous as Odsts

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 4:52 AM

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They even think the Odsts were made at the same time as spartans

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 4:54 AM

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uhh...no

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ODST were around for quite a while

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 4:54 AM

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A century I think

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Some people even think the Mac is stupid because its overkill

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As if we don't have overkill weapons

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 4:55 AM

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it's so overkill it can't pierce a carrier's shields easily.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Well of course its the covenant

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They mean before the war it was stupidly overkill

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 4:59 AM

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oh, yeah. but they were used mainly for ship v ship combat

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:00 AM

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A person really said what's the point of Odsts when you got spartans
@cedar surge that like saying, "Why do you need Rangers when you have Army Special Forces (Green Berets)?"

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Different missions man

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 5:02 AM

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I think they just thought of odsts and Spartans just better marines

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Plus odst are shock troopers right?

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:03 AM

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well, spartan's are definitely better marines, but that's a bit of an oversimplification lol

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ODST are Orbital Drop Shock Troopers, yes

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 5:05 AM

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And well people calling the unsc guns bad and using in game stuff to support their point

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:05 AM

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eh, in-game stuff for bad is not really how it works for lore

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the MA5's effective range is roughly a max 300m

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but you won't get anywhere near as close in-game

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 5:08 AM

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Somebody using in game logic said it was 20 meters

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And used that to bash the gun

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:09 AM

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The thing is that Army troopers and Marines are general infantry, like their modern day counterparts. ODSTs like some combination of shock troops and Marine Raiders. Spartans are like augmented SEALs/Deltas/SAS.

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UNSC guns would likely have similar ranges like modern firearms

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 5:12 AM

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BR has 900 meteres

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:12 AM

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no

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Really?

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:12 AM

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ODST are more akin to SEALs mixed with Shock Troopers

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Oh

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@versed helm how so I don't know too much

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:13 AM

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spartans have no real modern day attribution @opal birch

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that wasn't a response to you Dr.Lance.

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Considering Spartans do highly classified ops, I'd that yes, they accomplish the missions that modern Tier 1 one units do and then some

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:16 AM

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they're a bit more than that

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ODST are Tier-One

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as their missions are often near (or fully) suicidal

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Spartan-IVs would be akin to Tier-One

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but S-II were definitely a bit more...focused

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Special Operations units generally don't do mass assaults' like ODSTs do, though. That's a poor use of a Spec Ops unit. If your talking about how S-IIs were meant to crush rebellions, terrorists, etc., that's definitely falls within what modern Spec Ops do.

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BR has 900 meteres
@cedar surge plenty of modern marksman weapons that fill a similar role to the BR can reach that distance

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:23 AM

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ODST have their own subset of spec-ops

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Helljumpers for example

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:24 AM

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Last I checked, Helljumpers are ODSTs as whole

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:24 AM

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no

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it's a bit of both

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helljumpers are specifically 105th

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https://www.halopedia.org/105th_Shock_Troops_Division

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:26 AM

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it says so on halopedia

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https://www.halopedia.org/Orbital_Drop_Shock_Troopers

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:26 AM

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they're informally referred to as such

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but the 105th are more formally referred to as Helljumper Division

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The first usage of the name "Helljumpers" in Halo: The Fall of Reach (Chapter 7) specifies it as the nickname of the 105th Shock Troops Division. In most media (including a later reference in The Fall of Reach and the subsequent novels Halo: The Flood and Halo: First Strike), it is repeatedly used to refer to the ODST as a whole.

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from the footnotes

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 5:29 AM

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It's the same idea where a particular unit/branch becomes so famous their nickname starts covering everyone e

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:29 AM

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so: Yes, but no, but also yes

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yep

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just like NAVY SEALs, SEALs on their own aren't exactly the best of the best, that would be DEVGRU

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which is a smaller subset of SEALs

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Ok then. But way they act and the missions they perform, honestly seem like more of an analogue to modern USMC Force Recon and Marine Raiders. This just talking from my past experience as a regular Marine crossing paths with those dudes

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Since ODSTs are Marines

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Spartan's are as well

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:31 AM

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not all of them

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:31 AM

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they're under ONI, but under UNSC are treated similarly to marines in deployment

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Spartan branch recruits from every branch of service

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:32 AM

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I'm not referring to recruitees being Marines

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I'm referring to Spartans themselves

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once they become a spartan, they are reassigned, they're no longer navy, army, etc

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that being said, spartans are effectively marines in practice, but their actual branch is individual

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:35 AM

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That's how SAS treats their inductees, what they used to be doesn't matter, they're now just SAS troopers

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:35 AM

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yes, but that's any branch

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if you think like you used to, you have a chance of getting yourself or your squadmates killed

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even as a grunt in a main battalion

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:39 AM

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Yeah for orgs that aren't tied to any particular branch, Special Ops Units in a particular branch will still consider themselves as part of that branch. What I meant with SAS is that whatever they were in the regular forces is stripped away.

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Yes, they keep rank but that's about it.

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a Leftenant in the British Army will still be a Leftenant in the SAS, as they're a unit of the Army

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just like a Sgt in the Army's Infantry will remain a Sgt if he joins the Rangers

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:44 AM

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A Ranger still maintains his identity as an US Army Soldier, same with Army SF.

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:44 AM

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but as it all boils down, ODST and Helljumpers are Special Forces, Spartans are Spartans

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and SAS is British Army

carmine sleet Jul 10, 2020, 5:46 AM

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There's also the Canadian SAS too, which is just called the SAS, it can get confusing

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:46 AM

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They reportedly recruit from outside the British Army

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:47 AM

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very rarely in all honesty. but the Director of Special Forces oversees all UKSF operations

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but if you really wanted to be technical about it all

fair hazel Jul 10, 2020, 5:48 AM

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JTF-2

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Spartan's aren't considered SF

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they're weapons

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NavSpecWep under Naval Command

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this was changed with Spartan-IV, since they were openly recruited

fair hazel Jul 10, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Uh, ODSTs are also under NavSpecWep

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:49 AM

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yeah, but categorized differently in practice

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Yeah but they're still a Special Operations Unit, granted one that is on bloody steroids 10-100x over

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doesn't matter if they're recruited or not, they function like one

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and get sent on missions you don't send regular forces on

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:53 AM

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to be fair, Spartans get sent on a lot of missions you wouldn't send most humans on

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:53 AM

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that still makes them special sir

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:53 AM

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which at that point they'd be considered more in the realm of Operators than Military

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if you don't consider MI6 and CIA military

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which most don't.

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joint-ops make that apparent lol

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Operator still applies to anyone who is high speed, whether they're CIA or SOCOM

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I mean, I could say Spook, or even Handler

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but that's less technical...but honestly there's a lot of cases where they aren't even referred to as operators

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Spook would just refer to the Intel community, Operator just refers to the high speed guys that aren't regular military and to Intel community special units like SAD

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Talking as a guy who spent 5 years with the green weenie (the USMC)

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 6:05 AM

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I left service and went into contracting

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 6:05 AM

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nice

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 6:05 AM

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heh...

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if you say so

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 6:06 AM

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I mean you still have job that isn't shut down right?

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 6:06 AM

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that was a few years back I left that.

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then Repo, then other stuff

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 6:07 AM

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I have a friend that still does contract work

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hanging out with him is always fun

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 6:08 AM

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but yeah. regardless of our pasts since we're drifting from channel-topic, Spartans are a unique case.

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ODST would traditionally be considered the Tier-One, prior to S-IV

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 6:08 AM

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yes we can agree there

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 6:08 AM

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S-IV are definitely the replacement

opal birch Jul 10, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Fair assessment

lethal comet Jul 10, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Does gray team still fall under ONI or they a part of spartan branch now

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 6:20 AM

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ONI

last anchor Jul 10, 2020, 7:31 AM

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All the IIs still technically fall under ONI

fair hazel Jul 10, 2020, 8:09 AM

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Real world and halo don’t fix tik the exact same military wise

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Does ONI monitor the parents of the Spartan 2s?

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 2:50 PM

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probably not, aside from maybe making sure that the 2s with surviving parents don't try to contact them

marsh tusk Jul 10, 2020, 2:50 PM

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Wasn't there a book where one dad manages to find his daughter who became an S2?

carmine sleet Jul 10, 2020, 2:51 PM

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That was book 3 of the Kilo 5 Trilogy if I recall correctly

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 2:51 PM

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what happened?

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arrested? killed? touching reunion?

carmine sleet Jul 10, 2020, 2:52 PM

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I'll have to read the Halopedia page

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 2:52 PM

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i can do that, if you don't know off the top then don't bother

marsh tusk Jul 10, 2020, 2:53 PM

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If I remember correctly he gets jailed and escapes or something and eventaully has a nice reunion though I wouldn't call it touching but I can't really remember so take that with a grain of salt

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 2:54 PM

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bruh

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this guy became an insurrectionist and an illegal arms dealer

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Lmao, so touching.

carmine sleet Jul 10, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Well, if you found out that a shady government organisation kidnapped your kid, I don't think you'd just sit and do nothing

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 2:55 PM

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this guy sounds pretty interesting

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Of course not, I was just joking.

round comet Jul 10, 2020, 3:13 PM

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chiefmini

last anchor Jul 10, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Isnt that BASICALLY what Naiomi's dad did

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Oh wait someone covered that already

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 4:06 PM

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that's who we were talking about

vivid rover Jul 10, 2020, 4:24 PM

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best halo song

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 4:25 PM

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@vivid rover this channel is for discussing lore

vivid rover Jul 10, 2020, 4:26 PM

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oh

fair hazel Jul 10, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Naomi and Arthur’s dad

gilded inlet Jul 10, 2020, 6:12 PM

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oh yeah i’ve been wondering this for a while and google just doesn’t cut it for me

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what’s it mean to be a petty officer?

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 6:13 PM

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it means you're a low level officer, non commissioned (which means you enlisted instead of going to officer's school)

fair hazel Jul 10, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Maybe the officer is just very petty.

gilded inlet Jul 10, 2020, 6:13 PM

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so, kind of like being drafted? but worse

fair hazel Jul 10, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Unless it’s been a typo all along and is been pretty officer? Master chief pretty officer.

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 6:14 PM

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no, its not like being drafted

gilded inlet Jul 10, 2020, 6:14 PM

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okay

fair hazel Jul 10, 2020, 6:14 PM

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No. There’s officer ranks and enlisted ranks.

gilded inlet Jul 10, 2020, 6:14 PM

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so if you join without going to officer school, ur unable to become an officer, only a petty officer

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i guess it’s pretty obvious and i was just dumb lmao

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 6:15 PM

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you need to go to officer's school to become anything Leuitenant or higher

fair hazel Jul 10, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Corporal, private, sergeant, those are examples of the types of ranks you get when enlisted

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Lieutenant, captain, those are the types of ranks you get by going to officer school

gilded inlet Jul 10, 2020, 6:18 PM

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i wonder if other master chiefs recognize the chief as, well, the chief

stiff creek Jul 10, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Yïs

fair hazel Jul 10, 2020, 6:18 PM

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They call other master chief petty officers differently

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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The Chief is the only Master Chief Petty Officer of The Navy

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other master chiefs are just MCPOs

gilded inlet Jul 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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ohh okay

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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yes, "the navy" part at the end is a different rank

fair hazel Jul 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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He’s a master chief petty officer actually

spiral jewel Jul 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Of all the surviving S-III's were any stationed in the Infinity during the events of 4, Spartan Ops, and 5 (alongside the 4's)?

fair hazel Jul 10, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Other MCPOs are référés to as top chief

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Maybe. Perhaps.

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Of all the surviving S-III's were any stationed in the Infinity during the events of 4, Spartan Ops, and 5 (alongside the 4's)?
probably

fair hazel Jul 10, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Unknown.

gilded inlet Jul 10, 2020, 6:20 PM

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probably Jun, if any

lapis jetty Jul 10, 2020, 6:20 PM

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A question on the 3 prophets appearing is Halo 1-3. My understanding is that Mendacant Bias (or a fracture of him) told the three covenant prophets that eventually became Truth, Regret, and Mercy, about the mis translation of "Reclaimer" and humanity's role in the universe. That, along with the real purpose of the halo rings. So I get why the Covenant started the war, but why would they keep trying to activate the rings if they know their real purpose?

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 6:21 PM

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the MB fragment did not tell them about the real purpose of the Halos

lapis jetty Jul 10, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Oh, I see

fair hazel Jul 10, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Jun wasn’t on the infinity

lapis jetty Jul 10, 2020, 6:21 PM

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So even with the understanding that they mis translated critical stuff they continued with their belief that the rings would bring salvation?

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 6:21 PM

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All the hierarchs "knew" now was that divinity wasn't a for-sure thing.

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 6:22 PM

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So even with the understanding that they mis translated critical stuff they continued with their belief that the rings would bring salvation?
Yes

lapis jetty Jul 10, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Lovely, cool, thanks

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Even if the lich wiped out everyone who saw it,there had to be a few people far away or in orbit to spot it right? How did it go undocumented for so long?

stiff creek Jul 10, 2020, 6:45 PM

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You mean that big ol ship introduced Halo 4?

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I dunno.

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Speaking of ships, whatever happened to vampires?

humble yacht Jul 10, 2020, 6:50 PM

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became obsolete

stiff creek Jul 10, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Yeah, I woulda guessed that.

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It kinda sucked in Halo Wars.

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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I don't remember them being that bad, but I also remember HW1 being balanced. postums

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 7:23 PM

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Od-od-od-od-odst

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Lmao.

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Truth somehow became aware of Halo’s true purpose in Halo 3, and the rest of the Covenant just went along with it.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Well not exactly

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He probably lied to them like he always did

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Just because he knows the truth doesn't mean the rest of the covenant will

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 7:56 PM

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No he straight up told them

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Though he was broadcasting this to Covenant troops:
I opened the portal to this hallowed place, this shelter from Halo's fire, in the hopes that more of our Covenant would join us. Alas, save for a rabble of Heretics and their Demon allies, we are all that remains on this new world. So we must temper joy and sorrow in our hearts, for those who were left behind.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Huh

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Honestly, Truth in H3 was just...weird.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Guess he just changed the goal of the religion on the spot

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Yep

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Because Halo 3 is not well-written tbh.

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Ye

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If only they had Staten.

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Exactly

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Shame that Halo 2 killed everyone at Bungie

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 7:58 PM

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I think it was because of the whole arbiter thing and cliffhanger

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Shame that Halo 2 killed everyone at Bungie```
Yeah

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 7:59 PM

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At least Halo 3’s story is better than Reach’s

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Crunch time crunches the soul

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 7:59 PM

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And Reach is better than vanilla Destiny 1

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:00 PM

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I heard act man explain that reach's story is about the setting not the characters

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And not many stories do that

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 8:00 PM

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doesn’t matter because it contradicts TFoR

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Oh yea I heard it was a good book

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Bungie should have made Contact Harvest: the game or something

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Yea but everything happened at reach

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 8:01 PM

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and Bungie yoinked it up

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:01 PM

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So many plot points happened during the fall

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 8:01 PM

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the book was enough

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Bungie should have made Contact Harvest: the game or something```
Eh, I'd rather new material than just retreading already travelled stories, ya know?

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 8:02 PM

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At least Staten himself wrote Contact Harvest

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Yeah

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 8:02 PM

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I’m glad we didn’t get that game that sounded like Infamous: Second Halo hah

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Wait what

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 8:03 PM

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With the Promethean?

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 8:03 PM

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yeah

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:03 PM

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What game

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 8:04 PM

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It was about some marine finding a Forerunner artifact that slowly turned him a Promethean or something, if I remember correctly.

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It got cancelled really early on.

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:05 PM

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I like to think that Truth just became blinded by his power.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:05 PM

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@gilded mason that sounds dumb

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Isn't it that you turn into a promthean instantly?

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 8:06 PM

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This is before 343 made their own version of it.

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:06 PM

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You have to be composed first, no?

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:06 PM

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It sounds like you just get super powers

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Remember, Bungie was thinking this, not 343.

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Composition was not established before?

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Yeah

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Oh.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:07 PM

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I don't think this would have worked for halo

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Porbably why they cancelled it

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:07 PM

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It sounds so out of place

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:08 PM

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The game doesn't sound too bad but it would make more sense to have set as Jenkins in CE. Replace the role of the Promethean abilities with the Flood and bam.

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 8:08 PM

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That sounds worse.

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:08 PM

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How?

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Its like saying that Spartans have super powers

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:08 PM

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It makes more sense.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:08 PM

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He flood infects you instantly

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Because otherwise you have a guy that subverted the Flood to his own ends

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Jenkins was an exception.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:08 PM

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That's because it was a old flood spore

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Yup.

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And?

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:09 PM

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And he could barely keep control

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When he could get control

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The flood would be shown as very weak if some random guy could subjugate it

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:10 PM

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I'm unsure about that, but it would require a lot of retconning. So the fans would probably hate it, like Reach.

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 8:10 PM

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The flood would be shown as very weak if some random guy could subjugate it```
Yeah

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Jenkins was in no way strong-willed enough to subvert the Flood

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:10 PM

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No many would hate it

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Cortana herself barely withstood the mental torment inflicted by the Gravemind

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Alright.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:11 PM

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It says a lot when a very old flood spore could cause a person to struggle so much to keep control

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:12 PM

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It's why I dislike the Flood, they are too overpowered for my liking.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Plus you would have to retain so much lore for that to happen

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Its not even a FoR situation

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Nah, the Flood work when they're like that, otherwise, their horror angle is destroyed.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:12 PM

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That's like 1/3rd of lore

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:12 PM

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I'm aware, it gets boring though.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:13 PM

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So you want the flood to give people super powers?

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:13 PM

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No.

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I didn't say that at all.

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Just have a game with Flood gimmicks.

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 8:14 PM

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The Flood are intended to be nearly unstoppable

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:14 PM

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So like prototype

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 8:14 PM

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That is their plot relevance

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Consume everything

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Your idea kinda sounds like prototype

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Okay then.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 8:43 PM

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Yea maybe if they did a halo spin off game they shouldn't just adapt the books

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What ideas do you have?

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 8:46 PM

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A Headhunter game that plays similarly to MGSV.

halcyon remnant Jul 10, 2020, 8:46 PM

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lore wise what's the invicibility item ?

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 8:48 PM

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I assume it's some sort of prototype battery pack that can overcharge shielding systems to a high degree before swiftly becoming depleted from having to expend so much energy.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Is most of the unsc xenophobic to the elites?

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Unknown really.

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At least some amount would be.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 9:53 PM

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You know after bring genocides against

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Though we don't have a number given

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Yea hoods speach at the end of 3 makes me think that's what the unsc feels

gilded mason Jul 10, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Though I do think it's funny he says that, but then a few years later greatly admires Thel and thinks him one of the greatest people in the galaxy.

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A nice "warming up"

feral perch Jul 10, 2020, 10:04 PM

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different writers yo

halcyon remnant Jul 10, 2020, 10:22 PM

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wait the precursors are flood?

unique rune Jul 10, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Other way around

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 10:36 PM

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And only some precursors became flood

halcyon remnant Jul 10, 2020, 10:40 PM

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why are flood precursors

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 10:40 PM

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Healing factor got corrupted.

unique rune Jul 10, 2020, 10:40 PM

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Because Precursor mystery dust got corrupted and it's a big revenge plot against the living universe

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mostly against the Forerunners
but generally anything alive

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Which I always found weird. Why ALL life when apparently the forerunners were the sole creation to ever rebel against the precursors in hundreds of millions-billions of years?

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 10:53 PM

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"Hey guys look at this mystery dust we should feed it to our pets!"

delicate notch Jul 10, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Yea, I never understood that

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 10:54 PM

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Eh AH did study it quite a bunch. The conclusion with their tech said it was fine

delicate notch Jul 10, 2020, 10:55 PM

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"Tutankhamuns grave was filled with this weird stuff, lets eat it!"

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@terse lava Even if they did study on it, why would they give it to anything?

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 10:55 PM

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It's more like eating the corpses of the Pompeii victims but that's a bit dark.

delicate notch Jul 10, 2020, 10:55 PM

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Well thats true tho

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#IWantRhinosHornPaste

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 10:57 PM

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It's not even that, it was harmless proteins as far as a tier 1 humanity could tell with their technology

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 10:57 PM

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Yes, so they were completely oblivious.

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I was just going along with his joke too.

delicate notch Jul 10, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Well, It did make them more dorsal and had some effect on them. And even if it was proteins it feels like they had the tech to make food out of thin air basically.

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Had not even noticed his joke, it went right to your Pompeii one

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Just says it all really.

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Heck dont forget, the powder itself didnt do anything to humans or san shyuum. It only spread to them thanks to the pheru being a food among some humans

delicate notch Jul 10, 2020, 11:00 PM

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It had an affect on them.

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Who's the food now? postums

delicate notch Jul 10, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Whose the flood now*

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 11:01 PM

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💀

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We need a book that covers the collective of consciences in a Gravemind. That would be a horror book right there.

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 11:04 PM

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I thought you were bored of the flood?

versed helm Jul 10, 2020, 11:05 PM

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I am, for the games anyway.

delicate notch Jul 10, 2020, 11:07 PM

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You mean a book from the perspective of the flood?

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 11:13 PM

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That was done already

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Somewhat

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Outside of the comments of the primordial/gravemind in the forerunner trilogy, we have a single little.."story" from an infection form POV

delicate notch Jul 10, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Whats that called?

cedar surge Jul 10, 2020, 11:21 PM

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There's a combat evolved mod for that

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 11:33 PM

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At the moment indent recall the name. I belive though it was in the newest release of Halo: The Flood

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Ah, it was called "Hunger"

delicate notch Jul 10, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Isnt "The Flood" the first book?

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 11:34 PM

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No, The Fall of Reach is 1st

delicate notch Jul 10, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Or, the book which follows Halo CE

terse lava Jul 10, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Yes, that would be The Flood

cedar surge Jul 11, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Did emile become a walking war crime against the covenant or insurrectionists?

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How much of the halo galaxy has been explored?

terse lava Jul 11, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Not much really, the forerunners had expanded throughout the galaxy over at least 3 million worlds. Meanwhile the Covenant had control over most of the Orion Arm, with a few areas in other arms.

cedar surge Jul 11, 2020, 1:04 AM

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So we can hope for covenant remnant 2657th

terse lava Jul 11, 2020, 1:08 AM

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Well a massive empire being shattered would leave a butt ton of groups

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There are likely hundreds to thousands of groups of various sizes. Some likely just control a world, others multiple star systems

simple locust Jul 11, 2020, 2:48 AM

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Did the precursor dust mutate before or after being put into Pheru?

slim thorn Jul 11, 2020, 2:59 AM

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precursor dust mutates and becomes the Flood

unique rune Jul 11, 2020, 3:02 AM

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The corruption supposedly happened before ancient humanity discovered it, IIRC.

jolly furnace Jul 11, 2020, 4:28 AM

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GM said the dust brought sickness and disease to all life it touched

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This was apparently prior to AH finding it

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As GM said the Precursors found the suffering good

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and decided to use this to punish creation

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and that this eventually became the Flood

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So the implication is the dust became defective maybe only after a million years

terse lava Jul 11, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Great Ancient Creator race right there....

jolly furnace Jul 11, 2020, 4:30 AM

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as the Primordial was put in his capsule a million years tops after the Precursor genocide

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That implies the Precursor was defective by 9 million BCE

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and then sent out in ships to worlds AH would colonize 8 million years later

half herald Jul 11, 2020, 4:33 AM

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So the Forerunners were a galactic empire for 10,000,000 years?

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they were around 10 million years ago to kill the precursors and then exitsted until for another 9,900,000 years until the precursors came back and killed them

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or, made them kill themselves.

jolly furnace Jul 11, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Yeah pretty much

half herald Jul 11, 2020, 4:36 AM

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"that is a long time"

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i only played 1-3, and intend to play for, and read like, books 1-3, Onyx, Cole Protocol and Contact Harvest, but then this week i started watching an LP of the MCC and it got me wiki diving all the lore i forgot/didnt see since its post-Bungie leaving

gilded inlet Jul 11, 2020, 4:40 AM

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is it true that the master chief once dove into a building blind and killed 25 elites without a suffering scratch, before the mjolnir armies had shields?

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i saw someone say that that happened in one of the books on the halo lore subreddit

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in a thread about the effects of the process that the librarian put him through in halo 4

unique rune Jul 11, 2020, 4:41 AM

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That sounds... wildly untrue.
But I’m not very up to date on the books, so I can neither confirm nor deny it with any certainty.

gilded inlet Jul 11, 2020, 4:42 AM

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i’ll generalize it to: is it true that the master chief once dove into a building blind and killed a ton of elites that were in there

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the number of elites doesn’t matter

lethal comet Jul 11, 2020, 4:43 AM

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have you seen halo legends

gilded inlet Jul 11, 2020, 4:43 AM

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yeah

lethal comet Jul 11, 2020, 4:43 AM

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he does this kind of thing in the package

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that was mk 4 mjolnir

gilded inlet Jul 11, 2020, 4:44 AM

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yeah but he was with kelly and fred at the time

lethal comet Jul 11, 2020, 4:44 AM

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still there were a lot more enemies than 25 elites

unique rune Jul 11, 2020, 4:44 AM

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It’s the supposed ‘without a scratch’ bit that gets me, because that sort of feat just sounds impossible to me without energy shielding.

gilded inlet Jul 11, 2020, 4:45 AM

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yeah i took that out when i restated it too

lethal comet Jul 11, 2020, 4:45 AM

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the lore sometimes exaggerates

gilded inlet Jul 11, 2020, 4:45 AM

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i’m paraphrasing what i read, since i read it this morning and forgot to ask here

unique rune Jul 11, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Either way it’s not a scene that sounds familiar to me.

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If it is real I’d imagine it’s probably from Silent Storm or Oblivion.

cedar surge Jul 11, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Before the HCW did a single archer missile was all it took to take out a smaller unsc ship?

versed helm Jul 11, 2020, 5:55 AM

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@cedar surge I’ve heard of that before, but I’m not entirely certain it’s unanimous

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I’ve also pondered on the lack of big cat names for UNSC vehicles. We have Kodiaks, Jackrabbits, Warthogs, Wombats etc

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Hm.. Ocelot is a cool name for a vehicle. Lynx?

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Gray Wolf is a cool name for a variant of something

cedar surge Jul 11, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Wonder if any outer colonists even know what they are names after

versed helm Jul 11, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Hmmm, that’s a good point

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I’d like to see one named after the Blind Wolf, or at least a spin on it

cedar surge Jul 11, 2020, 7:00 AM

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Want to see a new vehicle called the moa

versed helm Jul 11, 2020, 7:39 AM

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LOL, yes

lethal comet Jul 11, 2020, 7:47 AM

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maybe finally a motor bike

cedar surge Jul 11, 2020, 7:48 AM

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Is the mongoose not good enough

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How could you forget the gungoose

stable cedar Jul 11, 2020, 7:52 AM

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Like a motor bike with two wheels?

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Instead of a Quadbike, like the mongoose/gungoose

cedar surge Jul 11, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Or that tri wheeled vehicle from halo wars 2?

carmine sleet Jul 11, 2020, 8:18 AM

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The Jackrabbit

cedar surge Jul 11, 2020, 8:19 AM

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Yea its a design I don't like that much

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Why 3 wheels

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If one gets blown off the vehicle will be unstable

jolly furnace Jul 11, 2020, 8:48 AM

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I wanna see if AH had a vehicle like the War Sphinx or Seeker

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As they'd need a counter to those

carmine sleet Jul 11, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Why 3 wheels
If one gets blown off the vehicle will be unstable
Same could be said about the Warthog. Last thing you need is a missing wheel

versed helm Jul 11, 2020, 9:28 AM

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At least the Warthog would be better offroad.

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And better at handling.

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The Jackrabbit seems to provide more protection though.

versed helm Jul 11, 2020, 10:21 AM

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Especially against UNSC firearms. Seriously, I’ve just been looking into their SRS99 and it’s insanely powerful

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Descriptions range from 13 feet of ballistics gel (over 9x .50BMG), to a whole meter of reinforced concrete (40x the power of a BMG). Atop of Spartan Ops where we see it obliterate a 300lb promethean crawler

slim thorn Jul 11, 2020, 12:07 PM

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If I'm looking at Jackrabbit, the three-wheeled feature probably was made to increase handling. Using two wheels like Motorcycles or Quad wheel like Warthog when skidding can have more risk of being suffering Centripetal even more.

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Three wheels is like when you're sliding, you use the back of the wheel to maintain its balance while Motorcycle can't handle more handling than that and can't even slide at high speed.

versed helm Jul 11, 2020, 12:25 PM

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it's a cool design

cedar surge Jul 11, 2020, 12:51 PM

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Sure

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It feels more like a civilian car but that's just me

versed helm Jul 11, 2020, 12:56 PM

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It's pretty much just an armoured tricycle.

cedar surge Jul 11, 2020, 1:13 PM

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Except backwards

lethal comet Jul 11, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Did Quick to adjust's intelligence fuse with vergil or does he exist with a split personality

feral perch Jul 11, 2020, 1:52 PM

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I believe they’re fused

carmine sleet Jul 11, 2020, 1:57 PM

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They would've shown if they had a split personality in Vergil's appearances since ODST

lethal comet Jul 11, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Is blamite somehow armed before firing to explode?

feral perch Jul 11, 2020, 2:52 PM

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The firing mechanism changes the chemical disposition of the crystals iirc

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They become charged to explode upon burial in a surface

lethal comet Jul 11, 2020, 3:01 PM

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what about the cutlass

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in CH

carmine sleet Jul 11, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Likely a similar process but since we've barely seen them, we just don't know for sure

steep pewter Jul 11, 2020, 4:25 PM

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So to be clear.
Mjolnir
Mark I, II and III not battle ready.
Mark IV was used until 2552 just before Invasion of Reach.
Mark V in Battle of Install 04 (first with recharging shields)
Mark VI in Halo 2 Event on Earth and ongoing.
These were all Gen 1.
So is the armour in Halo 4 still Mark VI coz it looks different?

carmine sleet Jul 11, 2020, 4:26 PM

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The armour seen in Halo 4 and 5 is Gen 2

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And Marks I through III were more like mechs than the power armour we see in the games

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Plus, Mark V entered service in November 2551

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That said, I believe Chief only got his Mark V when he returned to Reach before the Fall of Reach began

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Then there was also the prototype Mjolnir Black used exclusively by Black Team, much of what was designed for Mjolnir Black made its way into the Mark VI suits

fair hazel Jul 11, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Mark V was as early as 2551

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Some mark IV had shields

carmine sleet Jul 11, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Aye, such as the suits used by Red Team in HW1

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Granted, those were prototypical shields and ultimately not widespread

steep pewter Jul 11, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Also what armour was worn by Noble Team.
Also I learned today that that Noble Team was actually Spartan III's except Noble 6 who was Spartan II

carmine sleet Jul 11, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Six was a Spartan III, Jorge was a Spartan II

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And Noble all wore Mark V during the Fall of Reach and some other battles

steep pewter Jul 11, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Ohhhh thats why Dr. Halsey show affection towards Jorge, she considers them her children.

carmine sleet Jul 11, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Aye, it is. If Six was a S-II, then she would've shown affection towards him instead

steep pewter Jul 11, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Also was Spartan III taken as children for the Spartan III program?

feral perch Jul 11, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Yes.

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Some as young as 4.

fair hazel Jul 11, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Orphans

steep pewter Jul 11, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Then there was also the prototype Mjolnir Black used exclusively by Black Team, much of what was designed for Mjolnir Black made its way into the Mark VI suits
@carmine sleet
True, They went to Damascus facility to get the Mark V armour while a small battle was going on in Space.
Every Spartan II received Mark V.

fair hazel Jul 11, 2020, 4:38 PM

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No

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Not every spartan-II.

feral perch Jul 11, 2020, 4:38 PM

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That’s Mark IV you’re thinking of

fair hazel Jul 11, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Yes mark IV. All active spartans then

feral perch Jul 11, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Mark V was given to them on Reach

steep pewter Jul 11, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Yes Yes. I meant IV.
It gets confusing sometime.
Then Mark VI was given to Chief on Cairo Station right?

feral perch Jul 11, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Yes.

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After Maria-062 had field-tested it.

steep pewter Jul 11, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Also what happened to Linda 058 after Reach.
She was mortally injured during FoR.

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I just started Halo First Strike.

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So if its given in the book. No Spoilers.

fair hazel Jul 11, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Keep going

steep pewter Jul 11, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Alright. Thanks for the assist guys.

humble yacht Jul 11, 2020, 5:00 PM

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The armour seen in Halo 4 and 5 is Gen 2
false

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Chief's armor in Halo 4 was still GEN1 but it had been modified

steep pewter Jul 11, 2020, 5:03 PM

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He meant the Spartan IV's Armour in Halo 4 and 5 was Gen 2.

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Chief's Armour is still Gen 1 Mark VI right?

humble yacht Jul 11, 2020, 5:03 PM

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in halo 4, yes

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in Halo 5 he has a gen2 version of his Mark VI [MOD] armor

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it's likely that his existing gen1 suit was retrofitted with GEN2 parts since the MOD design was unique

obsidian thistle Jul 11, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Well if Mega Toys and the Halo Coloring Book visuals are to be trusted. Its not unique. Though John is the most famous user of Mark VI [MOD]

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And I doubt 343i will willing showcase a Spartan wearing it in any "main" media at all

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Cause John needs his brand recognition. Which is fair tbh.

versed helm Jul 11, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Do you guys think the Flood Juggernaut should have been in Halo 2? I've been thinking about that for a bit

versed helm Jul 11, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Maybe if they introduced something interesting to the table.

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Because fighting against the Flood is too monotonous and boring.

cedar surge Jul 11, 2020, 10:32 PM

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I would rather fight a super bullet sponge brute than fight through another 100 flood again

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All you have to do is get a shotgun and rocket launcher then shut your brain off to fight the flood

versed helm Jul 11, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Why do you think I said that I'm sick of them in the games?

full forge Jul 11, 2020, 11:18 PM

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he was agreeing with you dude lmaoo

versed helm Jul 11, 2020, 11:27 PM

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I'm aware.

glacial dock Jul 11, 2020, 11:42 PM

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All you have to do is get a shotgun and rocket launcher then shut your brain off to fight the flood
@cedar surge I mean I wouldnt say you would necessarily "shutdown your brain" to fight the flood with just those weapons. You still have to dodge flood with rocket launchers and shotgun flood who can 1 shot you even in normal difficulty

halcyon remnant Jul 12, 2020, 12:36 AM

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I'm reading halo cryptum

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superintendent

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Do you guys think the Mendicant Bias and Offensive Bias-story will be repeated with **Cortana **and the rumored "new Cortana"?

cedar surge Jul 12, 2020, 12:41 AM

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Not sure why those were bolded but yea I think that's what they are going to do

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I just hope they don't make cortana good again

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 12:44 AM

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To make the names pop! Yea, I feel the same in some way. But at the same time I do miss Cortana. I hope they wont do her a mindless evil with no reasoning, Im hoping for some kind of "She think shes doing the right thing"

unique rune Jul 12, 2020, 12:56 AM

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I mean. That's... already kinda what's going on.

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Cortana thinks what she's doing with the Mantle and the Created is to the galaxy's benefit, when it's really just going to be repeating the mistakes of the Forerunners.

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Mendicant Bias didnt think he was doing a good thing.

unique rune Jul 12, 2020, 12:59 AM

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I never said he did?
I'm just saying that Cortana's whole thing with the Mantle is effectively repeating what the Forerunners did with their claim to it. Peace through forceful subjugation of other races.
She thinks it's the right thing to do, when it clearly isn't.

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 1:05 AM

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My bad, I took "repeat the mistakes of the forerunners" as the corruption of the master builder + primordial + mendicant bias 😛 As it is now we Cortana is cortana with a somewhat corrupted mind, but there is no currupted human and no precursor (Or might they make MC corrupted through Cortana?(Im just brainstorming, dont hit me))

cedar surge Jul 12, 2020, 2:03 AM

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So which faction do you guys like more,the covenant or the banished?

gilded mason Jul 12, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Covenant

peak grove Jul 12, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Covenant traditionally, but i love the Banished color scheme

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 2:19 AM

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The original Covenant

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More ancient, lots of history and possible stories

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 2:22 AM

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Before you got to know them, you mean?

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 2:26 AM

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That towards me or Souless?

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 2:26 AM

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You @terse lava

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 2:26 AM

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You are asking then if I liked the Covenant before halo 2?

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 2:27 AM

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You said you liked the "Original Covenant", which I guess is before they got divided?

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Or what did you mean? @terse lava

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Yes the covenant before it shattered

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Afterwards the SOS

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 2:30 AM

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sos?

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Swords of Sangheilos

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Arbiter Thel 'Vadamee's faction

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Aha, didnt know they acronym

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Yep

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 2:59 AM

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tbh I'd rather see more stories about the aliens after the war

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Like we already got a pretty good tl;dr of what they were up to before the war in the H2 terminals

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Would you want this in Halo or would you want to see that in a spinoff? I agree, it would make the story universe both more tangible and relatable

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 3:20 AM

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I'm mostly fine letting the history remain in the past

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I have a much more vested interest in seeing the universe progress forwards with characters that exist in the here and now

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 3:22 AM

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I would have wanted to prequel to quel(?) of the Covenant and how it was created

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 3:23 AM

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You see that in the H2 terminals

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 3:24 AM

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I still would have wanted a book of every conversation and happening leading up to it.

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 3:24 AM

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But like why though, everyone in that story would just be dead at this point?

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They'd have no bearing on anything happening now besides a passing "huh, that's interesting."

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Which is pretty much what the H2A terminals give you.

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Cause story if written well is good at enlarging the lore and understanding of it.

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 3:25 AM

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What is there to understand anymore about beyond what we already have?

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Like you can't just perpetually create more background forever and ever

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The San'Shyum made use of forerunner tech while reveering it to achieve space travel before any other species and eventually they set out across space in search of forerunner technology. They came across the elites who revered the forerunners as well but refused to use their technology out of respect and eventually a fight broke out that the San'Shyum won which resulted in the elites being indoctrinated into their religion. Rinse and repeat for every other species and there you go. You got a covenant.

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 3:32 AM

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A hobbit won a ring in a game of riddles. The ring was powerful and evil. The first hobbits nephew got it when he left his home. The second hobbit destroyed it. - thats lotr for you.

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Like you could write a whole story set during the encounter where it's about like jigglegums the elite and the prophet of flatulence butting heads in opposition. Regardless of how their interactions play out I know the story ends with the elite losing.

peak grove Jul 12, 2020, 3:36 AM

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I'd rather see a book with backstory than a spinoff game, regardless there isnt much to tell since we pretty much know almost everything at this point

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 3:36 AM

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It's not even like the forerunner books where it's dropping just wholly new details that completely explain the back ground to elements of the universe that just hasn't been explained at all before.

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Also I'd rather see neither and settle on having the background of the universe established enough and we do more with the concept of pushing forward with characters who are still alive and can be impacted by events that unfold.

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Like regardless of whether I love the prophet of flatulence or not, the dude's gonna be dead by 2550

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Guess history isnt your deal then.

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 3:39 AM

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But there's no real mystery to how any of this stuff played out either. A lot of the forerunner books went towards explaining that mystery behind this whole ancient alien civilization that we've only ever trounced around on the ruins and space rings of. We wouldn't even be able to get that out of a book about the covenant formation.

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 3:43 AM

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What Im saying is that I would like a conversation about how things went how they did, not just A caused B and B made B into C.

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 3:45 AM

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And I’d rather my conversations be based around stuff currently afoot in the galaxy like racial relations between species and interactions and world building between characters who are still alive.

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Cause like that’s another thing about that too. There’s not even a still remaining covenant to be giving background depth to anymore either.

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Okay 🙂 Two sides of a coin I guess.

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Just wanted to chime in, the terminals dont show the beginning of the covenant outside of the arbiter being to the san shyuum. A good view of the early Covenant would be the novel Halo: Broken Circle

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The first half of it shows the first 2-3 years of the Covenant's existence

cedar surge Jul 12, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Do we really need new media to tell us what we already know?

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 4:55 AM

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I would like it. But I can see the problem in creating history

lethal comet Jul 12, 2020, 4:55 AM

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the thing about spin off's or prequels in the past is that we already know how its going to end

delicate notch Jul 12, 2020, 4:56 AM

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So whenever you read a new book you just read the last two chapters?

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 5:22 AM

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I mean especially with the covenant at this point and them being an entity that doesn’t even exist in the galaxy anymore.

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You’d be adding depth to something that doesn’t even matter.

cedar surge Jul 12, 2020, 5:30 AM

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You can't exactly have a story like"oh this elite is going through the building of the covenant" when we know how its gonna end

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If you are going to go back in time give new information and a story

versed helm Jul 12, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Uh, Halo Reach exists.

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Case and point

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Would’ve been better off with something else there.

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I mean I give reach probably more crap than its worth but that game misses its emotional marks so hard that every character falls so flat for me in tandem with already knowing how it was going to end just made it not work at all for me.

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Like Reach was an event that was already treated with a degree of reverence in Halo. Like that was essentially the loss of Earth 2, one of our biggest and longest colonies. It should have been a game focusing on the emotions surrounding that loss and then it just gave us a game with characters that don’t emote about anything happening around them.

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Tbh it’s probably why I fear Halo just dumping out more prequel content.

cedar surge Jul 12, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Guess this is why people say halo is the gaming version of star wars

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 5:59 AM

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There’s a million ways to read that statement and probably all of them are right

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 6:05 AM

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I rather enjoyed broken circle, cared more.for those characters then most others from halo. And there's nothing wrong with expanding the history of a civilization. It enriches the universe

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 6:08 AM

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I’m more interested in seeing the current civilization that’s only existed for like 6 years since the war ended get expanded.

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Not much of a civilization really

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Exactly, I have a lot of interest in seeing the politics and relationships play out in this formative stage of it.

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 6:11 AM

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What's there to play though? Obey or be composed?

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Closest we have gotten were the unggoy on their homeworld getting a boon in life, but that's it

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 6:12 AM

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I mean not even really that part. That’s still up in the air given depending on how Infinite plays out.

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I’m talking in the sense of the 6 years after the war until the created and the aftermath of the created (if they do actually get dealt with) wherein humanity is making ends meet with the aliens as allies.

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Ah, believe Karen's books were for that type

gilded mason Jul 12, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Not...really.

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 6:19 AM

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I do also think that the mess left behind in the wake of the created could be used as a setting grounds for universe for a while to come but that’s just purely wishful thinking on my part.

gilded mason Jul 12, 2020, 6:20 AM

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We can hope

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Hopefully the many stories of "We two species do not like each other, but by the end of the book, we have found common ground." will stay in the past.

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 6:21 AM

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Well was being a bit sarcastic I admit. I would be a bit interested how things will be post created though

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 6:21 AM

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It wraps up chief’s personal narrative in a pretty little bow and opens the universe as a whole up for exploration from more grounded angles.

gilded mason Jul 12, 2020, 6:22 AM

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🤞

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 6:22 AM

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And the apparent eventual finale of the final flood test

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At some point

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 6:22 AM

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I don’t think they’re a test. I think they just wanna eat us.

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 6:23 AM

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They weren't ment to be a test, no but they are now apparently being used as one

gilded mason Jul 12, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Humanity will be tested* next.
*(humanity will be eaten next)

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Inb4 we make galactic peace and the mantle turns out to be the friends you made along the way.

gentle bramble Jul 12, 2020, 6:24 AM

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I like this chat more than general, i just joined

gilded mason Jul 12, 2020, 6:24 AM

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I never go into general, myself.

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Yea, rarely touch that mess

gentle bramble Jul 12, 2020, 6:25 AM

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I can really see why

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 6:25 AM

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I just come around when I feel the need to get into internet arguments and it turns out to be a concerningly large amount of time.

gentle bramble Jul 12, 2020, 6:26 AM

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But you cant argue lore, one person or both people are wrong

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 6:26 AM

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shhhh

gentle bramble Jul 12, 2020, 6:27 AM

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why are we wispering now

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I only recently started researching lore outside of the games and jesus it's dark but also intriguing all at the same time

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 6:29 AM

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How is it dark?

gentle bramble Jul 12, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Not dark dark but like darker than what you see in games.....no wait Reach was pretty gritty and dark my bad

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Well the books are more realistic

gentle bramble Jul 12, 2020, 6:31 AM

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I do really want to get around to the books, which one should i start with?

gilded mason Jul 12, 2020, 6:31 AM

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I guess release order.

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Yea

gentle bramble Jul 12, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Alrighty then, ill go ahead and add it to kindle

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Fall of Reach-The Flood-First Strike-Ghosts of Onyx-Broken Circle-Forerunner trilogy-Kilo 5 trilogy

gilded mason Jul 12, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Maybe he can read a summary of that last one. 😉

gentle bramble Jul 12, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Thanks mate

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Welcome

lethal comet Jul 12, 2020, 6:39 AM

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you forgot Contact harvest and cole protocol ado

gentle bramble Jul 12, 2020, 6:39 AM

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I knew Harvest was somewhere just didnt know where

versed helm Jul 12, 2020, 6:40 AM

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No, I don't think so.

Random question but do you think people would enjoy a halo rp here?

gentle bramble Jul 12, 2020, 6:41 AM

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Ah alright then. Ill stay for the lore at least.

craggy sierra Jul 12, 2020, 6:41 AM

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RP is literally against the server rules so probably not the place

gentle bramble Jul 12, 2020, 6:42 AM

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No i run a server for it, sorry for the confusion.

versed helm Jul 12, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Oh, I don't think you're allowed to advertise servers.

gentle bramble Jul 12, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Ah right just read that sorry ill delete

terse lava Jul 12, 2020, 6:44 AM

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Touche I did forget them, would throw them in after first strike

versed helm Jul 12, 2020, 6:44 AM

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Anyway, if you like to hear from anecdotal perspectives, I recommend New Blood.

gentle bramble Jul 12, 2020, 6:45 AM

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Dont remember hearing something like that so will definitely add to my list

versed helm Jul 12, 2020, 6:46 AM

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It's basically Buck providing his accounts on tours and explaining what led up to H5 (from his perspective).

gentle bramble Jul 12, 2020, 6:46 AM

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Oh nice thanks for recommendation

round comet Jul 12, 2020, 6:46 AM

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