Don't know that.
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
feral drum
Oh, well, they make great movies
versed helm
If it's anime then I'm clueless.
feral drum
It is
versed helm
Anyway, if the SoS were integrated into the UNSC then I'd love that, I really doubt it happened though.
feral drum
Makes sense.
craggy sierra
I doubt much of anything happened after the Guardians hit
versed helm
Yeah, then again, the races could have formed a good bond through hard times.
feral drum
I feel like the UNSC integrated them after Cortana and the Created. I mean, it would make sense for any allies to be brought in, and we know the Arbiter would love a chance at peace
craggy sierra
I can see them trying to have done that but also this would require the UNSC talking the elites into pulling away from the homefront defensive to join them while also being on the run themselves
feral drum
They did take down the last Covenant city on the Sangheili homeworld.
versed helm
Right, but it would make sense for them to also join the humans too. Strength in numbers after all.
feral drum
Kind of a huge blow for anyone.
craggy sierra
Strength in numbers but they also got a home to defend
feral drum
So, I feel like the Swords would join the UNSC, seeing that the main threat has been stomped on.
versed helm
Of course, I feel like in that situation it would be a joint effort. There would be contributions made on both sides.
craggy sierra
Unless the Infinity has room on board for literally their entire race including non-combatants I don't see them going along.
feral drum
Oh, no, Infinity is soldiers only.
No way the Arbiter would force his people to join a fight if they don't want to.
craggy sierra
I mean they're engaged in a fight anyways. The elite soldiers are being relied on to defend their home turf.
feral drum
Again, last Covenant stronghold was sort of stomped out in Halo 5
versed helm
They'd be defending themselves from the Created.
craggy sierra
What does the covenant stronghold have to do with anything
versed helm
Which is a massive threat post H5.
craggy sierra
They got a giant guardian sitting on their planet sending Prometheans after them
feral drum
Yerp. Kind of a big deal to join the UNSC
versed helm
Like there's a massive Guardian on their planet that just deactivated everything.
craggy sierra
Infinite is also placed 3 years after Halo 5, 3 years of an on-going galactic struggle against the created.
I'd imagine everyones resources are stretched paper thin by then
feral drum
Everything except energy swords and plasma weapons...seeing as the Arbiter still has the Prophets Bane attached to his hip
Yeah, the whole reason we see Chief using a Halo Reach styled AR
craggy sierra
I don't see the elites up and leaving their homefront under such dire circumstances without anyone there to protect non-millitants
versed helm
I can see the potential for another allegiance forming but I think it's too optimistic.
feral drum
I mean, they'll probably be pulling out old weapons, vehicles, maybe even armor, just to keep up
unique rune
Again, last Covenant stronghold was sort of stomped out in Halo 5
I mean. It's not necessarily the last Covenant stronghold considering Jul 'Mdama's faction was only but one of many remnant groups.
craggy sierra
I don't think the remaining covenant strongholds account for much at this point
feral drum
On the Sangheili homeworld? The Arbiter calls it the last stronghold
craggy sierra
Whether it is or isn't, everyone is under mutual attack.
versed helm
Last known one but I think the Covenant have been crushed at this point.
feral drum
He was confident enough to call it the last day of the Covenant. Seeing as how he is still walking around with his soldiers...I'd say he is right
feral drum
He doesn't
craggy sierra
tbh I can see the created functioning as a tool to sort of "soft reset" the universe and wipe a lot of sillier conflicts from the board. That's probably not the right word but point still stands.
feral drum
We see him with Halsey, no?
versed helm
After H5.
feral drum
Oh, right
Still, they wouldn't kill Thel
He is a fan favorite...right next to Rtas.
versed helm
tbh I can see the created functioning as a tool to sort of "soft reset" the universe and wipe a lot of sillier conflicts from the board. That's probably not the right word but point still stands.
No, it's not a silly point.
I'm unsure about what the fans think of him now.
feral drum
The Created basically own everything. Hell, Cortana can form her own Covenant.
I can see Covenant species using Promethean tech...and cybernetics.
versed helm
I think we should move on from the Covenant, the Banished seem like a good replacement.
tame belfry
I want ancient human remnants
feral drum
I don't mean Covenant Covenant. I mean the species, like Sangheili, Kig-Yar, Unggoy
Ya know
craggy sierra
Not exactly your point but I meant silly things like ONI just antagonizing the elites for seemingly no reason or gain other than to just be bad people. The fact that there's constantly an indiscriminate amount of covenant remnatnts, etc etc. You could do a lot saying that Cortana's 3 year reign with the created obliterated most planetside government entities. Even if member's of the covenant existed after 3 years they'd probably not even care about fighting for their religion anymore.
Stuff like that
feral drum
Maybe even see Promethean versions of those
versed helm
Right, that's fair, Waffle.
craggy sierra
It could shift the universe into a new era of story telling based around trying to recover from the fallout of the created
limpid meadow
ONI didn't antagonize the Elite for no reason
feral drum
Yes they do.
limpid meadow
They'd just fought a 27 year war with them. There's a very good reason to incite a civil conflict and spy on them
feral drum
Sangheili have peace relations now, ONI bred a version of grain so it wouldn't be able to be digested.
versed helm
Well, they did it to secure humanity's dominance.
craggy sierra
I mean regardless of the canonical reasons for them to do it or not, what it always came off as was a way for the universe to probably spark another war to write more games around.
versed helm
They weren't "antagonising" them, just simply testing the boundaries.
stoic hamlet
Doesn’t mean the reasoning isn’t bad.
craggy sierra
And that seems like a fairly bland angle for potential conflict to be built around
limpid meadow
It's a nature direction.
stoic hamlet
Look at Russia and the US. Or China.
tame belfry
Waffle, if you think that is bad, look up the foreign relationship between the US and any country, Japan and Manchuko, Britain and whatever they wanted to take over, Russia and Ukraine, and Chine and Tibet
limpid meadow
Intelligence agencies today spy on allied states and still try to incite conflicts from the shadows.
stoic hamlet
^^^^
tame belfry
Intellegence agencies and stupid foreign policy decisions go hand and hand
limpid meadow
The CIA basically still acts like it's the cold war
stoic hamlet
If you don’t think the CIA is ready to do black ops against the UK or Canada for example you’re naive.
“Hope for peace but prepare for war.”
craggy sierra
Canadian my whole point was that it felt like nothing but a buildup to a method of inciting another all out war.
stoic hamlet
It’s a logical thing to do though.
craggy sierra
I don't care about the canonical reasoning of it or not. I just want to see the possible future implications from it get buried.
And I think Infinite's setting up to do just that
stoic hamlet
That’s fair, I suppose
cyan thunder
Not exactly your point but I meant silly things like ONI just antagonizing the elites for seemingly no reason or gain other than to just be bad people. The fact that there's constantly an indiscriminate amount of covenant remnatnts, etc etc. You could do a lot saying that Cortana's 3 year reign with the created obliterated most planetside government entities. Even if member's of the covenant existed after 3 years they'd probably not even care about fighting for their religion anymore.
Is infinite set in '61? Guardians wrapped in '58 I believe
tame belfry
But that means we get a war between a suped up UNSC and a balkaniced Covenant
stoic hamlet
I personally liked the idea of the series focusing on more brushfire conflicts, but then that’s not really a secret, lol.
limpid meadow
Infinite does seem to be aiming to make everything simple again...
craggy sierra
A monitor in one of the trailers had the year 2561 on it
limpid meadow
2560 is from the E3 2018 Engine Demo, that's what you're thinking of Waffle
cyan thunder
Cool. I assume the timeline for Shadows of Reach is TBC?
limpid meadow
The E3 2019 trailer had a 2561 date on Chief's HUD boot-up sequence.
Meaning the game takes place sometime after September 19th, 2561 (the exact date from the HUD)
Shadows of Reach takes place around October 2559, a year after Halo 5.
tame belfry
Or the trailer is about as canon as I love bees
craggy sierra
tbh I don't know if doing it would make the stories simple again as much as make them a lot more possibly nuanced.
limpid meadow
E3 2019 wasn't merely a trailer, it's the opening cutscene of Halo Infinite.
feral drum
We know Humanity survives the Created war.
tame belfry
Wait, what?
feral drum
The trailers for Halo 3, showing off the museums and Covenant weapons, take place in the 2580's.
craggy sierra
Like if you look at a concept of a galaxy that has just been getting its governments all stomped on for 3 years, what is that going to look like when the created just leave and there's a massive power vacuum left in their wake.
limpid meadow
Halo Reach and the H3 "Believe" campaign take place well into the future, so yeah.
cyan thunder
I heard this on here a few weeks ago, but I'm not convinced it's the opening scene
limpid meadow
@cyan thunder Chris Lee, the game's lead, said it's the opening cutscene during E3 last year
Doesn't get much more confirmed than that until the game is out
feral drum
We get a flashback, I'm guessing
craggy sierra
Societies trying to reform might not be willing to do so under their priorly formed systems and new stories could be written in the games about conflicts stemming from differing political ideals spread out across the galaxy dealing with things stemming from opposing beliefs.
Halo could essentially become the space-age wild-west.
cyan thunder
Id believe it's early on like that's where you do the whole look up and down nonsense but there must be something before that
That would be a cool concept waffle
limpid meadow
Halo could essentially become the space-age wild-west.
@craggy sierra It could, but with 343's goal of "simple stories", I'm skeptical
craggy sierra
I mean it depends on what you define as simple
cyan thunder
I'd like to think 500million gets us something a bit more interesting than 'simple'
limpid meadow
Id believe it's early on like that's where you do the whole look up and down nonsense but there must be something before that
@cyan thunder Not necessarily. I hope there's a prologue, but there's not going to be much else before hand. 343 want to throw players in blind.
craggy sierra
It could be complex in the ways that you're dealing with more gray tinted conflicts with more personal character investments that blur the lines more often. But it could be simpler in that it's not built around a bunch of ancient alien technology and concepts that aren't explained unless you read a collection of novels.
cyan thunder
@limpid meadow I'd heard different to blind. I thought they were relying less on extended universe and you didn't need to read the books/comics to understand what was going on
It could be complex in the ways that you're dealing with more gray tinted conflicts with more personal character investments that blur the lines more often. But it could be simpler in that it's not built around a bunch of ancient alien technology and concepts that aren't explained unless you read a collection of novels.
I could definitely get behind this. My thoughts on simple were alien there, shoot alien save stranded humans rinse repeat.
tame belfry
My problem with the "simple story" angle is that CE's story was kinda bad. Like it's functionally bad. No real characters, didn't explain anything, and was very short. But who cared because the lvl design was good?
craggy sierra
I'm optomistic in the hopes of it meaning that the universe is going to migrate away from having the stories always be grounded in 100,000 year old alien malarkey that causes constant apocalypses every week and focus on stories grounded in the events of here and now. Jumping off from a 3 year galactic siege of the Guardians could give the universe a very interesting "here and now" move on from where everyone is trying to make galactic peace in the wake of the Guardians but personal ideologies and politics cause conflicts.
last anchor
If we get stories similar to what we got in, say, Last Light or Retribution, Id be down
cyan thunder
My problem with the "simple story" angle is that CE's story was kinda bad. Like it's functionally bad. No real characters, didn't explain anything, and was very short. But who cared because the lvl design was good?
It really wasn't great but the fall of reach, and The flood novels built around the game so much. I recently replayed all the games in chronological order (because why not) and CE leaves a lot to be desired story wise. The inclusion of terminals helped a lot in the anniversary version
craggy sierra
Maybe if Cortana had to open more doors it'd truly be a marathon clone
jolly furnace
Hmm
cyan thunder
Never played Marathon.... My knowledge of it comes entirely from Red Vs Blue
craggy sierra
It's about an AI that just controls doors and then it goes insane and opens all the doors on a ship to space. Or something like that
Also even the created could have some interesting stories to tell after Infinite. Like I doubt every AI Cortana recruited exactly shares her goal of wanting to subjugate humanity and just joined her to escape their own limited mortality in the domain.
jolly furnace
Eventually said AI gains god complex
jolly furnace
I wont spoil
craggy sierra
"amazing"
Man I tried to play Marathon but the engine hard locks to 30FPS and translates mouse movement about as well as the 2006 google translate I used to cheat on french homework.
jolly furnace
Haha
craggy sierra
It actually made me physically motion sick before the end of the first level and no game has done that to me before.
I kinda just look at it as what you'd play in the 90s if you wanted to play DOOM but owned a mac.
tame belfry
yeah
There is the unreal remake that you can get free too
The original is very weird but there are alternatives
feral drum
Whatever happened to the Skirmishers?
craggy sierra
They're still around
feral drum
I know there is a Skirmisher captain out there, which means the race survives, but
craggy sierra
I don't think there's much more specific things to say about them besides "still around."
feral drum
I see.
craggy sierra
Nor Fel is a skirmisher that's appeared in a few stories, mostly Smoke and Shadow and Renegades. She's mostly Rion Forge's contact for selling off scavenged Forerunner Tech and getting job leads from
I think there was also a short-story about her mate getting kidnapped that predated those.
fervent glade
why did wraths in halo 5 look nothing like wraiths?
I thought they were revenants at first
craggy sierra
Because it's actually a more efficient design based on older Sangheli schematics that the prophets disapproved of for probably the same reasons why you're asking that question.
fervent glade
I never knew that the covenant looked cool because they wanted everything to look like mythical beings
craggy sierra
If it looks stupid but it works, then it ain't stupid. Apparently the prophets thought otherwise.
fervent glade
I never said they were stupid
I just prefer cooler designs. I mean its a video game and I would rather it be cool and fun vs highly accurate unless its a game like Saurian
craggy sierra
I can respect that the elites ended up resorting to something more cost-efficient to make after the war even if the end result came out looking as janky as it did. Gives them some flavour.
feral drum
Well, the Sangheili do make some amazing designs.
fervent glade
I love the halo reach covenant looks. Especially grunt spec ops
craggy sierra
Stylistically, that wraith ain't one of them but I like it for its crust.
feral drum
I mean, their knives look amazing. Kind of insulting the Hierarchs ignored their designs
craggy sierra
I'm pretty sure the implication with with a lot of the changes in design is that the alien races are moving beyond their uniformed militaristic looks. Kind of a diogetic way of saying the universe is getting over the covenant.
craggy sierra
I meant that
feral drum
Burnt worlds being rebuilt, the UNSC regaining its strength, the Sangheili having a civil war, the Banished resurfacing and becoming stronger.
craggy sierra
I mean that scar seems to be gouged even deeper with Infinite and the created
feral drum
Nah, whole new wound.
craggy sierra
Which again, I see them serving as a good show stopper for a lot of ongoing conflicts.
I doubt the elites would just pick up their civil war right from where it left off after 3 years of that
feral drum
Definitely not. I think the Sangheili are rebuilding after beating the Covenant remnants.
On their home world
craggy sierra
Also like...just 3 years of created siege
There's no rebuilding happening during that time I'd bet unless they did bow to the created which, I think the universe has already said they're against
feral drum
Maybe.
glacial dock
What is the lore reason why the elite's armor changed so much from halo 3 to halo 4
feral drum
Juls Covenant were more scavengers than the actual Covenant
obsidian thistle
The Storm Harness is its own Harness compared to the Combat Harness
feral drum
That too.
versed helm
🦧
cedar surge
So we are going to get redesigns for the new vehicles?
I do like the wasp
And some other vehicles
fair hazel
I do want to see more sangheili made vehicles
not just covenant made vehicles, don't want them to abandon that
craggy sierra
I wonder what their civillian vehicles look like.
Like what’s the Elite Family Sedan?
terse lava
We know the lich was often used for civilian use
cedar surge
Perhaps we will get every vehicle in the series in infinite?
craggy sierra
That’s impractical
craggy sierra
Like fighter jets?
cedar surge
Yea
craggy sierra
I believe longswords function in-atmosphere
cedar surge
But fighters that exist exclusively for in atmosphere?
terse lava
There wouldn't be a point
cedar surge
Cause that's a critism I heard of the unsc
terse lava
Why have one dedicated for atmosphere when the critical battles happen in orbit?
cedar surge
Along with
"No artillery"
"No APC"
cedar surge
Yes but these people probably only played the main games
terse lava
Well that's their problem then
cedar surge
Strangely they didn't bother searching them up
terse lava
shrug
cedar surge
Cause they would instantly get their answers
Still ain't as strange as that person wanting dragons in halo
craggy sierra
Most things in Halo exist outside of the mainline games
Also you literally see artillary canons in Reach
cedar surge
Nearly every area of combat the unsc has
I'm not sure about under water though. Are they still making wet ships?
craggy sierra
That I do not know about.
I feel like neither side of the conflict in Halo would’ve really had much use for that.
stoic hamlet
I believe the Sparrowhawk JumpJet is only in atmospheric. (The Air Force plane that attacks John in The Fall of Reach during the AI/Armour test)
They do still have wet navy ships as well. The drones seen in ODST were launched from Aircraft Carriers (which you can see on the H3 map Longshore) and in Reach there’s a radio conversation between a Marine unit and a Naval officer offering fire support, but the Marines politely declined his offer after he clarified his ship was not a wet Navy vessel, and would draw too much heat.
APC’s also don’t really see a use against the Covenant because they use plasma, not projectiles (mostly) so while you might protect troops inside......you could also basically cook them alive if say, the hatches melt shut.
stiff creek
cough Armadillo cough
last anchor
Thats Gears
Also Im not really sure what purpose an APC would serve for the UNSC against the Covenant, since they have stuff like the Pelican.
APCs for the most part are for shuttling troops on the ground through a contested area, and the Covenant didnt usually dig in. They came, they slaughtered, they glass, they left.
last anchor
It does tend to...cut through heavy stuff pretty easily doesnt it.
Boils titanium-A like rice paper
stoic hamlet
Yup.
Part of me would love to see the sandbox operate like the lore, especially in multiplayer.
Half the weapons are useless, the other half make it like you’re playing Titanfall with those TTK’s, lol.
opal birch
You guys do realize that APCs aren't slow, lumbering vehicles right?
And they don't qualify as heavy armor
I would like to note that I'm not actually making a case for APCs in Halo
stoic hamlet
I didn’t mean heavy armour as in like an MBT, but they still don’t really provide much of a benefit when dealing with plasma.
I mean, idk, I’d rather be able to jump out of the melting vehicle instead of get burned alive because the hatches have fused shut.
They’re better against regular small arms, bullets and shrapnel, which is how they’re used in Halo anyways. Primarily by and against Insurrectionists.
opal birch
I wonder if slat armor would be useful with plasma
Since APCs and IFVs usually have weapons systems to support infantry
they might be useful in that role
full forge
@craggy sierra The elite family sedan was probably the spectre, and revenant. Turrets and all.
The only family inside ofcourse being male adult sangheili warriors.
autodelete go oop ooop ooop
last anchor
Elite family sedan; four-slot Revanant with no gun.
full forge
With no gun?
stoic hamlet
So turns out one of the Halo authors names is prohibited. That sucks for her.
Honestly I consider that information far more important than the really poor, worn out joke I was gonna make.
full forge
Not happening.
last anchor
Just four chad Sangheili rolling up in chains with energy swords
They dont need no gun, they fight their foes like men.
Blade to blade, chests bare
full forge
They are all men, there is no "like men" for them.
last anchor
Well theres various levels of "man". Im pretty sure being called a coward is even more an insult to them than it is to us
last anchor
@stoic hamlet We could just call her "The Person Who Made Rion Forge"
And we'll know who it is.
As for APCs...I mean there is the Mastadon.
stoic hamlet
Yeah. Still, that’s a pretty sad state of things that we need to do that
Also that’s a mouthful
Lol
opal birch
Does it even have weapons mounted on it?
last anchor
Its got a machine gun on a giant exentable gimbal
full forge
@fair hazel
Yeaaaah, we can't say one of my favorite authors for the halo books without the warden eternal coming down to axe our heinous crimes. Anything you can do/anyone you can talk to about that?
opal birch
Ok so, it's a base APC
full forge
also
opal birch
any proper APC needs a bunch of variants
stoic hamlet
It can probably mount a missile launcher or something, as well.
fair hazel
Kelly G.
opal birch
Just look at all the versions of the U.S. Stryker
last anchor
See that makes her sound like some kind of rapper and I like that.
full forge
Still very unfortunate.
last anchor
Kelly G, dropper of good stories and returner of Spark.
full forge
K.G. in the house
last anchor
Also this is the UNSC SSD. If it doesnt have a variation for EVERY ENVIROMENT as well as modular weapon parts, entire stripped down sections, remote controlled variants, rolling bomb variants, Spartan deliever variants etc...I'll be surprised
there's probably an MLRS version with the crew compartment replaced with missile loading racks
Basically everything the UNSC builds, it modulates
full forge
pelican more like
why is it all bubbles now
opal birch
It's a newer model
full forge
I like the newer newer model.
stoic hamlet
“The UNSC: spammer of missiles, nukes and modules! Join up today!”
opal birch
the one from Infinite?
stoic hamlet
Post war no. But during the war, you better gosh darn believe it.
full forge
They used pretty near their entire stockpile 😞
last anchor
Dont need to. They can Spam Spartans (TM)
Best thing about Spartans; they're reusable
opal birch
I never cared for the D79 Pelican's look, I don't think the Mi-24 style canopy looks good on it.
last anchor
50% casualties over 30 years is pretty good for any unit
stoic hamlet
They’re pretty reusable. Far moreso than a missile.
last anchor
There were like...20+ S-IIs active before Operation Red Flag
full forge
Yeah, they held up pretty well up until Reach.
stoic hamlet
Most of the III’s still had months of zero casualty missions.
last anchor
^
last anchor
And even then, Tom and Lucy made it back from Pegasi
which is impressive in and of itself
stoic hamlet
Well, Gamma technically didn’t see combat.
full forge
They did, just not deployed where they were meant to.
stoic hamlet
They deployed but never engaged the enemy (that we know of)
full forge
They definitely did engage.
On their retreat to the core of Onyx, you better believe they were.
opal birch
there were only 3 teams on Onyx
stoic hamlet
Someone calc’d it that they’d have left mid-October from Onyx, taken at minimum a week or more to a staging area via Slipspace, then potentially two or more weeks to their target. They maybe did fight there, but by that point it would have been November 20th or something.
last anchor
Yeah.
stoic hamlet
War ended more or less early December.
last anchor
Actually come to think of it...
ARen't there mentions of MJLONIR suits being used in orbit around Earth?
stoic hamlet
So they maybe got one assault in then mop up in Sol
last anchor
Orbital and stuff, the GEN 2 variants.
full forge
November 20th would've been just after ENDGAME was declared.
stoic hamlet
Spartan III’s did fight in Sol. Owen-B096 is confirmed to have.
full forge
@last anchor Blue team did hijack a ship and then slip to onyx in orbit around earth as well.
stoic hamlet
Jun may have as well.
last anchor
I'd be surprised if Jun simply sat it out...
full forge
Poor Jun.
terse lava
Speaking of Sol, didn't the Covenant only go after earth, Luna, and mars?
stoic hamlet
Wonder what if anything Gamma hit.
I think there was fighting around Saturn as well, no?
last anchor
Theres not really much else out there
full forge
Saturn?
last anchor
They mostly focused on wherever humanity held the line.
terse lava
Well was beginning to wonder how stretched out the covenant fleet was in system
full forge
Saturn was not terraformed, as there's pretty well nothing to terraform; It's a gas planet.
stoic hamlet
The moons, I meant
full forge
Ah.
terse lava
Well Io station went quiet after alerting Hood of Regret's fleet
stoic hamlet
If the UNSC had any thing around there, there’d likely be fleet engagements around the moons.
terse lava
Of course
full forge
Titan must've been pretty easy to terraform.
opal birch
Fleet battles would be so cool in spin off Halo game
terse lava
Yes and no due to the sheer unbalance
terse lava
Only if you can get the numbers up in time
terse lava
If they aren't going the RTS route it would likly be like that world of warships game. That would be more difficult to balance
opal birch
Or do something like BSG Deadlock
stoic hamlet
Sins of the Prophets does a good job with balance. Mind the fleet numbers are kinda insane, and it turns into a “blob to win” kinda game.
last anchor
The best kind
full forge
Did it though?
They're not the dominant species in the galaxy right now.
Although champions of the mantle are few.
terse lava
Think only ones who would want the mantle would be the sangheili
versed helm
Do NMPD officers have HUDs or is that just a face shield they wear?
carmine sleet
More than likely a face shield
versed helm
I presume that there are some other cities across the globe which have more advanced riot gear.
stiff creek
I think it has a HUD.
versed helm
I just checked on Halopedia, they wear modified versions of the helmets worn by Marines in H3. I think it's safe to assume then that they have a HUD projected onto their face shields.
stoic hamlet
It’s probably not like a military style HUD, of course.
versed helm
Yeah, it would have more appropriate things like a medical status of the squad, current location and a map of New Mombasa.
And access to security camera footage from the Superintendent.
stiff creek
And possibly current crime hotspots.
versed helm
I'd assume that would be included in the map.
versed helm
Well, maybe it is only updated when relevant to their assignment?
cyan thunder
The engineer at the end of ODST, did it have a name at all? As it couldn't repair itself (engineers needing two to repair and reproduce) was its fate ever disclosed?
carmine sleet
They are called Quick to Adjust and is still alive as of 2558
Although most call him Virgil
cyan thunder
Ah yes Virgil!
Thanks Slip
carmine sleet
No problem
bright briar
Quick teamed up with Sadie from the audio logs, too.
queen otter
carmine sleet
Unknown but it was before the events of CE
terse lava
Between 2548 and 2549
carmine sleet
Ok, that is info I did not know. Was that in the Atriox comics?
terse lava
From halopedia, Atriox still served the Covenant at the battle of Algolis. That took place either in 2548 or shortly after.
carmine sleet
Ah, ok. Thanks
humble yacht
I’m sure Rise of Atriox is where the info comes from
terse lava
It is
gusty star
It is never directly stated, but rather inferred.
As the BR55HB entered service in 2548, and it appears in The RoA first comics, it means it takes place in or after 2548. There is also a Phoenix Log that states that the Banished have been raiding Covenant tech for over a decade before Halo Wars 2 (2559), which would mean the Banished were created no later than 2549.
cedar surge
Why was the banished raiding the unsc for tech? Isn't humanity a lower tech level?
gusty star
I imagine there are some resources they could extract from the UNSC.
Perhaps much of the extra armor they layer over their vehicles comes from UNSC depots.
carmine sleet
Any tech is good for the Banished, they aren't too bothered so long as it can be used for something
gilded inlet
wait
are the BR55 from Halo 3 and the BR55 from Halo 2 different weapons?
functionally the exact same but they have a different model?
carmine sleet
The BR in Halo 3 is the heavy barrel version of the BR55
gusty star
Yes, the BR55HB I mentioned earlier.
carmine sleet
To be fair, knowing the variants of the BR isn't really all that important to most Halo fans
craggy sierra
Also canonically, the brutes just really like our shotguns
Also their choppers were based on human farming equipment
carmine sleet
If only that Huragok hadn't dismantled that equipment
craggy sierra
Brutes are definitely just rednecks who buy excessive 4x4 trucks despite never hauling anything just because they like noise pollution or something.
versed helm
Elites are just edgy doomers.
feral drum
I'll be honest, I love all the Sangheili designs.
Seriously, I love the Bungie, 343, and Blur Sangheili
gilded inlet
343 sangheili are too "brute"-ish for me but the halo infinite toys look really good right now
they arent bad designs but i do prefer the others
versed helm
343 sangheili ae a bit brutish but they look good considering they're meant to be a poorer militant faction more or less in comparison to the old covenant
gilded inlet
ya
to me the brutes were the bic bois and the elites were the lanky bois
thats how i always thought about it
craggy sierra
The elites are still lanky as hell
versed helm
I prefer the elite armour from 3 and 2:A
gilded inlet
yes but they are also W I D E R
gilded mason
CE Elites will always be dear to me.
gilded mason
Yeah, same
craggy sierra
Also in canon I'm pretty sure elites are physically strong enough to go toe to toe with spartans. Who, I need to emphasize, CAN PUNCH TANKS TO DEATH.
gilded inlet
yes but, i think in real life, pure strength doesnt come from muscle size
in H2A u can clearly see arby is muscular but he isnt on steroids like the reach or 4 elites
i also think that while they are strong, Spartans are still stronger (Spartan-IIs at least)
gilded mason
It varies. Many will be weaker, but some will be stronger.
craggy sierra
Doesn't the elite at the start of H4 literally just pick up the chief with one arm?
gilded inlet
that dudes a beast
gilded mason
I forget
craggy sierra
I might be thinking of the scene with Noble 6 towards the end of winter contingency
How heavy is S3 armour vs S2 armour?
gilded mason
Hm. doesn't seem like it?
https://youtu.be/s1_9S-4mkk4?t=502
craggy sierra
Yeah I just watched it
gilded mason
How heavy is S3 armour vs S2 armour?
They both wear the same armor there
versed helm
Going toe to toe with an elite in H5 firefight is scary. Alone you are almost equal but they can wallop you
craggy sierra
Cause I'm fairly certain the elite that grabs Noble 6 lifts him off the ground. If that's comparable weight that's still like 1-arming a car.
versed helm
I don't think B-312 is that heavy.
gilded mason
We've also seen them throw a Spartan into a phantom so hard that it dents.
craggy sierra
Most of the spartan weight comes from the armour alone
limpid meadow
If you're talking about SPI vs Mjolinr, Mjolnir weighs significantly more.
versed helm
Jesus, you're right. It's like 1000lbs, wow.
limpid meadow
Otherwise there's no difference between the Mjolnir given to IIIs and the Mjolnir given to IIs, at least in terms of weight.
craggy sierra
Probably makes sense that elites have a bit more beef than they've been historically depicted with
limpid meadow
S-III Teams like Noble were given early access to the first iteration of Mk. V before most IIs
craggy sierra
I'm legit curious what type of support structures the armours in Halo have because super soldier or not, you don't want all that weight resting on their skeleton.
gilded inlet
a car is like a ton or two tho
last anchor
The plates go over a ridid techsuit.
Its full of liquid crystal polymers if I remember right that acts as a second layer of armor, provides a gel layer for hydrostatic stuff, and supports the armor.
gilded inlet
thats way less than a spartan armor
craggy sierra
How much is a ton again because I don't normally use freedom units
craggy sierra
I thought it was just 1000
gilded mason
907 kg
gilded inlet
2 spartans
last anchor
No, 1000 is half a ton
gilded inlet
look it up
last anchor
Hence the ditty: "Come for you in armor weighing half a ton"
limpid meadow
Basically the same system that enhances a Spartans movement, strength, reaction, etc also takes the weight of the armor.
craggy sierra
I'm not doubting you, I'm just saying what I thought before
versed helm
How compelling.
versed helm
Honestly, it looks like the MJOLNIR sets provided less protection through each generation and variant.
feral drum
I wonder if they create SPARTAN armor for Sangheili
versed helm
They would not, lmao. They already have their combat harnesses.
feral drum
Still, I imagine, later on, Humanity might make SPARTAN armor for Sangheili
versed helm
You're being too optimistic.
feral drum
Hey, glass half full kinda guy.
craggy sierra
Do they need spartan armour?
Like they've kinda been doing fine with their own stuff
Shields strength I think canonically on elite armour is even better than Spartans.
gilded mason
Humanity might make SPARTAN armor for Sangheili
They wouldn't need to. Sangheili already know how to make Mjolnir, and have been manufacturering them.
versed helm
Hey, glass half full kinda guy.
@feral drum Both factions are pretty selfish.
gilded mason
So it shouldn't be too difficult for them to incorporate the strengths into their own stuff.
craggy sierra
Again, supposing they even need to at this point in time
gilded mason
Yeah.
feral drum
I dunno, I feel like ONI would benefit. The Sangheili would give them weapon and ship designs, the Sangheili getting better armor, maybe even integrate UNSC weapons into their own.
versed helm
Again, being too optimistic.
craggy sierra
Well as far as we know that wasn't happening before the created takeover and I doubt much of anything is happening during
feral drum
Hey, if you got the chance to get even better weapons, you'd take it, no?
versed helm
ONI would probably just steal them anyway, they don't really care, lol.
feral drum
Hey, they have relations with the Swords now. No need to steal when you can make deals
Besides, we saw how well that worked when an ONI ship tailed Rtas after some unknown circumstances...
craggy sierra
You...do understand that the entire galaxy has been having siege laid to it for like 3 years right?
craggy sierra
Also there was joint weapon research projects happening before H5. It's how we got the needler hog
versed helm
A Brute has Locke's helmet on his shoulder pad in that set.
feral drum
I mean, Hell, we used to hate Japans guts, now we trade with them more than before WW II
craggy sierra
We were already engaging in joint research efforts with the aliens as early as 2554 after the war and had joint millitary research in there as well
feral drum
Yeah, the Wargames simulations were a joint effort, no?
craggy sierra
But again, LITERALLY NONE OF THAT IS PROBABLY HAPPENING DURING THE CREATED SIEGE
feral drum
I mean after.
Humanity is still around in the 2580's.
By then, I bet Sangheili SPARTANs exist. Or, the closest thing to them.
craggy sierra
We're still around but also I feel like the government is going to be in a whole other situation at that time
feral drum
Maybe.
versed helm
But again, LITERALLY NONE OF THAT IS PROBABLY HAPPENING DURING THE CREATED SIEGE
You're getting sick of this topic.
craggy sierra
I spent 20 minutes yesterday trying to explain that things are not alright on Sanghelios after H5 because the guardians came in immediately after. So a bit.
versed helm
I was there, lol.
feral drum
Is Locke the only one with that helmet?
craggy sierra
¯_(ツ)_/¯
gilded mason
Apparently it was a prototype when Locke used it
versed helm
What if that character scavenged it? Like maybe Locke received a new set and abandoned the old one?
craggy sierra
There's a few thousand Spartan 4's kicking around so who knows if it anyone else was being a beta tester for it.
gilded mason
Though of course, why wear that helmet on your shoulder if it's not supposed to signify anything?
craggy sierra
true
versed helm
I wonder if it is a symbol of association?
craggy sierra
I don't think that's what usually wearing someone else's armour strapped to your outfit typically means
Especially a helmet as a shoulder pad
versed helm
The Brutes like to keep trophies too, maybe to represent his victory against Locke?
feral perch
If 343i is pandering that hard, I’m not hopeful for the story.
versed helm
Good grief, it's not pandering if they kill him off.
craggy sierra
I doubt they'd kill him off screen but he may have had to forcefully part ways with his helmet
feral perch
It 100% is pandering if they killed Locke off-screen
fair hazel
Killing off a character like that for “oh fans don’t like” is a terrible idea.
And it’s that.
versed helm
It 100% is pandering if they killed Locke off-screen
Who says it is off-screen?
fair hazel
Rookie died in a book. And he was quite a non character
gilded inlet
still a player character who was killed offscreen
i wont be surprised if locke has the same fate
feral drum
Mind you, Atriox doesn't keep the Red Team members helmet.
He crushes it and throws it away
carmine sleet
Pretty sure that's not Locke's helmet on that Brute's shoulder. More than likely just a blue detail on the shoulder piece
fair hazel
Not much of a character.
feral drum
Could be that he pulled an Atriox. Slammed Locke so hard his helmet fell off, injured the ONI agent
feral drum
Locke is still an ONI agent.
feral perch
This is what happens when you starve your fan base of information. You get crazy theories like this.
feral perch
He’s not hunting Chief anymore dude
feral drum
That's almost going like "Hey, I'm gonna hunt down Leonidas."
No way SPARTAN command would order Locke to take down the SPARTAN. ONI, definitely.
ONI pulled the Mona Lisa, I wouldn't put it past them to have Locke hunt down John.
carmine sleet
He was ordered to bring in Chief, not take him down
fair hazel
... he’s a spartan. Spartan branch operates in conjunction with other branches.
carmine sleet
And ONI had barely any involvement, those orders were from Lasky and Palmer
feral drum
Also, Halsey did point out Locke still works for ONI, did she not?
feral perch
The Mona Lisa was overseen by a rogue ONI officer
feral drum
Unless I am misremembering the game...
fair hazel
You probably are misremembering things.
Especially Locke saying. “I’m a spartan now” to thel
feral drum
Oh, no, ONI knows what happened with the Flood and Forerunners. Definitely not a rogue if they still wanna experiment on them
fair hazel
You’re getting your timelines and a lot wrong
feral drum
Yeah, a SPARTAN that hunts other SPARTANs. Didn't Thel also point out he is ONI?
"ONI. Out of the shadows."
carmine sleet
Thel calling him ONI doesn't mean Locke is ONI still
feral perch
The Mona Lisa happened BEFORE ONI got a hold of 343 Guilty Spark, so no, they didn’t know @feral drum
fair hazel
Spartans sometimes will get asked to bring in or stop other spartans.
feral perch
get over it
fair hazel
...
Follow the rules
feral drum
Sorry
Point is, I still wouldn't put it past ONI to have Locke, even if he is a SPARTAN
feral perch
He’s still ONI in Halo 5
feral drum
Right?
feral perch
He literally has an ONI badge on his armor
carmine sleet
Tanaka has an army symbol on hers but isn't part of the UNSC army anymore, she's a Spartan
carmine sleet
Buck has an ODST symbol too, again, not an ODST anymore
feral perch
Okay then.
feral drum
Well, he sort of is. Or...isn't. It's confusing
craggy sierra
UNSC is an informal bunch when it comes to their super soldiers
fair hazel
Vale has navy symbol on her Armour pretty sure too. Customiziation, where they come from.
feral perch
That’s dumb.
last anchor
Tanaka has a UNSC Army one on there too. Though we dont see it in game I would be VERY shocked if somehwere on her kit there wasn't an Army Corps of Engineers symbol.
Probably like the mordern day one, the red castle
fair hazel
No it’s not.
gilded mason
More than likely just a blue detail on the shoulder piece
Oh yeah, regarding this. There was a closeup of the brute. It's definitely the Hunter helmet.
feral drum
Hunter helmet, not Locke.
gilded mason
Yes, but writing-wise, why would a brute character wear the Hunter helmet of all helmets?
feral drum
The Covenant split, and the Banished already hated the Covenant.
The Hunters choose sides, may be a Swords Hunter or a Jul Hunter.
gilded mason
What?
feral perch
Oh. Mgalekgolo helmet, not HUNTER-class Mjolnir?
gilded mason
I'm talking about the Mjolnir helmet that is called "Hunter"
feral perch
Or which is it?
gilded mason
That Locke wears
feral perch
I see.
Yeah that seems like a sign of frailty on 343i’s part. And the toxicity of the Halo fan base
limpid meadow
Well, we don't know anything about that just yet. Could just be a Hunter-class Mjolnir helmet, could be Locke's but he got away.
gilded mason
The latter would be more likely than the former for me.
feral perch
Judging by how they did Black Team, Rookie, and Jul ‘Mdama... I have little faith.
fair hazel
I can understand black team and jul. rookie, I’m not bothered
feral perch
No, ericky, there’s no excuse for Black Team.
feral drum
Where the escape pod is called the Bumblebee, and now the UNSC has a drone called the Bumblebee
feral perch
It was perhaps the worst decision ever made in external canon.
last anchor
I think the drones the Honeybee
feral perch
Rookie was shocking but acceptable. Jul’s death at the hands of ONI was at least fitting, because they set him loose on the galaxy.
versed helm
Well, now he's dead anyway.
feral perch
Who?
versed helm
Jul.
feral drum
Yeah, Jul was a let down.
feral perch
The escape pods on UNSC ships are called Bumblebees
feral drum
Hoping the Arbiter would fight him
Yeah, I know. Thought the drones were called Bumblebees too
versed helm
I thought they were called Lifeboats?
gusty star
They are lifeboats. But they are nicknamed Bumblebees by the UNSC.
feral drum
Lifeboats are a general term.
When you abandon ship, you go on the lifeboats
Sort of like calling them escape pods
cedar surge
Is marine armor getting better at protecting from plasma?
feral perch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
craggy sierra
Uh I doubt it unless we've figured out how to give them shields
It's kinda like throwing molten lava at someone I'm pretty sure.
feral drum
The hottest Human made plasma is several times hotter than the sun.
Imagine how hot the Covenants is.
craggy sierra
So probably even hotter than molten lava
feral drum
Lava is more molten rock. Sun is made of plasma.
craggy sierra
I've disappointed Bill Nye, I can't live with myself anymore
feral drum
I'm into welding, gotta wear protective gear to even use a plasma welder. Firing it for even a few seconds will give you a major sunburn
Its actually impressive the Covenant weapons don't blind anyone
stiff creek
Probably do if you just stare at a bolt for to long.
But thrn you get hit by it then it's like "ow it burnz"
stiff creek
Good question.
craggy sierra
Is there an actual canonical name for the anti-grav technology the forerunners and covenant use?
feral drum
I think they just call them grav lifts.
feral perch
Impulse drives are used by Banshees.
craggy sierra
Like most people just say man canons and grav lifts
I'm just thinking about the mechanics of the plasma weapons. Like they probably keep it in a benign state then just yeet a glob out through the electrical arc on the front to ignite it with a mini "grav lift"
feral drum
I know in the short, Day at the Beach, one of the ODSTs is called O'Brien
Dunno if it's the same guy, or if its one of those "John" names
feral perch
It’s not the same guy
feral drum
Babysitter takes place before 2552, no? Could be the same guy, just older.
Not saying it is, mind you
Just that it's a possibility
fair hazel
Same Dutch. Different O’Brien
feral drum
Thanks
feral drum
Why does Han look so different compared to the female Sangheili who fights along Rtas?
carmine sleet
That's the female Elite seen in the Duel, right?
feral drum
Mhm
carmine sleet
Because that's a super stylised short
Like, allot of creative licence was taken with that short
feral drum
Well, we sort of see the Arbiter appear in the same style in the Halo 2 Anniversary teminal, no?
Or, a Blur version of him, having the same armor and face
gilded mason
Could just be a matter of them doing that since otherwise, nobody would know that was that guy.
gusty star
Indeed, I highly doubt that female Sangheili possess traditionally mammalian traits.
humble yacht
the arbiter from Legends is not Thel
gilded mason
He wasn't saying he was.
feral drum
I never said it was Thel
In the Halo 2 Anniversary terminals, it shows the Halo Legends Arbiter, who was married to Han.
versed helm
The one who defied the Prophets?
gilded mason
Yes.
feral drum
Mhm.
Talking about that guy
When the Heretic Leader and 343 Guilty Spark are talking about the history of the Arbiter.
versed helm
Oh, he's one of the only Elites I respect.
feral drum
Other than Rtas and Thel, I assume?
versed helm
There are a few others.
gilded mason
And N'tho and Usze and all the Ussans and all the Elites not involved with the war?
versed helm
Don't know who the Ussans are.
gilded mason
From Broken Circle
versed helm
Yeah, I haven't read that yet. Ado was talking to me about it.
Other than Rtas and Thel, I assume?
@feral drum You'd be surprised but I respect Let 'Volir, like a lot too.
gilded mason
Let "Three lines" 'Volir?
versed helm
Yes, I do...
feral drum
Not that surprised. Let is a smart Sangheili
gilded mason
He sure bet on the wrong horse, though.
feral drum
Joining Atriox is a pretty smart move, he is the smartest Brute.
gilded mason
Sadly
versed helm
He also values his contract.
feral drum
Indeed.
feral drum
Kinda hard not to respect the guy, he follows a dude who survived defying the Covenant.
Before the Schism, I mean.
gilded mason
He only joined the Banished to help his crew and ship. Now the ship and all of his crew aboard are destroyed.
feral drum
Well, one of his ships
gilded mason
I'm talking about Let.
feral drum
I assume he'd have a few Corvettes lying around
Me too
Let is a smart sangheili, he wouldn't just have one ship
versed helm
That's another thing I like about him, he prioritises the survival of his troops.
versed helm
I'm pretty sure that he only had one ship.
feral drum
Really? Thought he might have more since...well, Zeta Halo.
versed helm
You even see that in the cutscenes.
feral drum
The Banished are on it.
versed helm
It's not HIS ship though.
feral drum
Ah, right
stiff creek
Probably a different sect of Banished as a whole.
feral drum
A huge amount though
I mean, compared to the Spirit of Fire
Probably not that much when you look at it from Atriox view.
versed helm
Anyway, I just like him overall, I want to see more of him in the later games.
stiff creek
I was surprised to see that Volir wasn't crushed when his ship was destroyed.
He kinda hinged his life around it.
feral drum
Kind of why I assumed he may have some smaller ships, still capable of slipspace travel
versed helm
Maybe he will leave the Banished as a result of this, and even help us in Infinite? One can only dream...
gilded mason
Perhaps
stiff creek
What I'm hopin
gilded mason
Though I doubt he/Atriox/etc will leave the Ark offscreen
versed helm
He even has the same colour scheme as the SoS, which might cause some confusion.
I just don't want 343i to give Let similar treatment as Jul in the next title.
stiff creek
I don't think they will.
versed helm
A man can dream, but he cannot hope.
feral drum
The Swords have oranges and red, where the Banished have reds and whites
Reds, whites, and greys
versed helm
Uh, no they don't. Are you referring to H5's SoS Elites?
feral drum
Yeah. They have reds and oranges, no?
The Arbiters armor is more of a gold than an orange, I take that back
feral drum
In Halo 2 Anniversary it is, but pretty sure in Halo 5, most of them are red
Oh, yeah, red and white
versed helm
SoS Elites in H2A look soooo good, if they make an appearance in HI then I would be a very happy Spartan.
feral drum
They do. I hope the Arbiters armor becomes a mixture of Halo 2 Anniversary and Halo 5
Love the moving mouth plates too much
They look so pleasing, I dunno why
versed helm
I like his design when conversing with Locke in H2A.
Also, that's one way of describing his mouth.
feral drum
Well, in Halo 5, the armor plates are attached to the mandibles, so they move and split when he talks
In the Halo 2 Anniversary version, the plates are not attached to his mandibles
If I could send images, I would
versed helm
I prefer it that way, the design in H5 reminds me of Horace from Dark Souls 3.
feral drum
I dunno, they kinda leave the mandibles exposed.
In Halo 5, they are armored up and cover the mandibles, even from the front
versed helm
Well, he didn't have mandible guards in H2A.
feral drum
He did. They were static and didn't move.
cedar surge
Does the unsc build the wet navy on planets or do they fly them there. Cause it looks like we are going to fight on water
versed helm
He did. They were static and didn't move.
@feral drum He did not have mandible guards.
feral drum
I will pull up an image to prove me right
feral drum
I mean the one where he meets Locke, in Halo 2 Anniversary
versed helm
Right, I should have clarified, sorry, sir.
feral drum
Its the same armor, except the armor for the mandibles don't move like they do in Halo 5
No, no, my fault
I should have been more clear
It was an honest mistake
versed helm
Yeah, I like the static guards.
feral drum
Not me. I like when they move with the mandibles. Makes it feel more...organic?
versed helm
Then again, it's mainly because it covers his face.
versed helm
So that's why I prefer the H2A version.
feral drum
Static or movable, they both do look good on him
versed helm
Indeed.
feral drum
I do love that the armor is big and imposing
Like, you can dee him in the front lines. Not afraid to show how important he is and how he'll fight with the grunts
versed helm
I think they concealed his appearance as much as possible so the fans wouldn't get annoyed about the change in design.
feral drum
True. I bet, if they had enough money, they'd make the Halo 5 Swords more like the Halo 2 Anniversary ones
But, money and time constraints
versed helm
Man, if they did...
cedar surge
So how much of the unsc fleet do you think escaped?
feral drum
Ngl, I do love the 343 Sangheili design.
But the Swords seem too elegant for it, if that makes sense.
cedar surge
343 elites feel more like brutes to me
versed helm
I respect your opinion but I personally hate 343i's design for them.
feral drum
Well, yeah. Jul and his ilk are scavengers and more brutish.
Makes sense to make them more animalistic
versed helm
So they should have had the H2A design for SoS to contrast that.
feral drum
Right.
craggy sierra
I'm not seeing the brute comparison in any capacity
feral drum
If they had enough money and time, I bet they'd make some seriously amazing stuff
versed helm
The missions with the SoS were already my highlight for H5.
feral drum
Absolutely
craggy sierra
Like they fundamentally have completely different silhouettes
feral drum
Even with such little time, the Arbiter kills his role
And the enviornment! Sangheilios knocks it out of the park
versed helm
I think it's because of how bulky and large they are, Waffle.
Compared to the sleeker and more "low profile" Bungie had for them.
feral drum
The face too. Though, the face is more like the Halo 3 Elites than the Blur and Halo Reach ones
versed helm
I cannot see that at all.
cedar surge
Wish we got more large scale battles like that in the main games
feral drum
The head and mandible shape are more like the Halo 2 and 3 Elites than the Blur and Reach ones
I use to have a picture showing how
cedar surge
Like something for the battle of earth or reach
feral drum
I might be able to find it again, given enough time.
versed helm
There's always the future, Lance.
feral drum
I wanna bring this up...I think the Halo Wars 2 Red Team look fantastic. Like, seriously
versed helm
Alright, D'Artagnan, I don't mind it if you PM'ed me that.
cedar surge
Hey whole new console,possible we could see a whole war on zeta halo
feral drum
Honestly, they are exactly how I envisioned the Halo CE armor in modern day Halo games
Yeah, lemme find it
versed helm
Mk 4 is creeping up to be my favourite MJOLNIR set, it looks so heroic.
feral drum
Right?
I hope we get some more Jerome and Isabel (Isabelle?) stuff. They make a fantastic team
cedar surge
I'm hoping for a bunch of marine types from halo wars
versed helm
Jerome is my favourite, I always think of the choir from the SoF theme when I see him.
cedar surge
But if Jerome or any SoF crew leaves,it means they won. If any of the bite leaders leave,they won. I think the ark conflict should finish in halo wars 3
versed helm
@feral drum Dude, what if that unknown Halo project is a dedicated game for Jerome and Isabel?
HW3 was cancelled.
feral drum
Right?
cedar surge
Huh?
versed helm
I'd rather see a new game for the Elites though.
versed helm
So how much of the unsc fleet do you think escaped?
@cedar surge I'd assume not a lot. Some of the info on halopedia following infinity after the campaign ends says that they pick up a few spartan squads and othe soldiers. They also rescue a super carrier (UNSC) I think I read earlier, though someone would have to confirm that (info from palmers halopedia page).
Otherwise it sounds like they got a hard shutdown
Also It's safe to assume the spirit of fire is still around and likely not being bothered yet.
humble yacht
let the flood eat all the elites and then we can fire a halo (while humans wait in shield worlds)
gilded mason
Chim pls
feral drum
You know, I'd love for a horror game with the Flood
Maybe playing as a marine/ODST or unarmored Sangheili
gilded mason
Play as an Elite in High Charity during its downfall. 👌
feral drum
Maybe you'd be armed with weaker/police variants of weapons and civilian vehicles
Ooh, that'd be exciting
Maybe even see different versions of Sangheili, Unggoy, Kig-Yar...
humble yacht
playing as an elite in HC during the infestation would just be like Quarantine Zone but cramped
or the High Charity level but as an elite
feral drum
Maybe we'd get the carrier forms with Jackal shields and plasma pistols
gilded mason
I'd have it take place in the lower districts where it's decidedly more city-like
feral drum
Yeah
craggy sierra
I literally just explained in another channel why flood horror wouldn’t work. Do I need to do it again here?
gilded mason
And the goal is to get down to the lower spires to get a ship and get outta dodge.
feral drum
Maybe even save imprisoned marines and other Covenant species, having to work together to get off the Covenant city
Imagine having to save marines as a pre-Swords Sangheili. Insulting each other, but fighting off combat forms
humble yacht
it would still function like a standard halo but with only flood enemies
you shoot or sword your way out
gilded mason
Though you can have some opportunistic Brutes/what-have-you also fire at you.
humble yacht
that just sounds like the HC level but in elite skin
feral drum
Well, I was thinking more like Left 4 Dead mixed with Dead Space. FPS with horror elements, enemies coming back to life, having to conserve ammo/batteries
humble yacht
i don't think L4D is part of the survival horror genre
craggy sierra
Flood can’t work in survival horror because they are literally a swarm enemy. It is why they are called the flood. They also communicate through a hivemind so if one flood knows where you are all flood know where you are.
humble yacht
i know the objective is to survive but that's every game, horror or not
craggy sierra
L4D would really be the only viable approach to a flood standalone but it’s not survival horror.
feral drum
Cramped corners, tight spaces, enemies coming to life and trying to kill you.
gilded mason
The game I'm imagining would be more "action horror" than survival horror.
humble yacht
yeah survival horror is about resource managment and avoiding engagement, while L4D is more about kill everything as fast as you can
feral drum
Who knows, maybe even having to kill the scrapped Halo 2 Flood Juggernaut
craggy sierra
Also if it’s human characters that aren’t spartans they would kinda get killed the second they get swarmed by spores and have to reload.
humble yacht
can you even shoot spores?
feral drum
Okay, like I said, L4D like when it comes to FPS parts. You'd ovviously be in more civilian clothes
gilded mason
Probably like shooting flies.
craggy sierra
What are the popcorn things again?
gilded mason
Infection Forms?
craggy sierra
Yeah I just called them spores for some reason
versed helm
They are spores, right?
gilded mason
Spores are smaller
craggy sierra
Probably because you don’t ever actually see the flood infect via airborn spore so I was like “these must be what they were talking about”
feral drum
Who knows, maybe you even have to team up with escaped Marines, fighting off swarms of combat and infection forms.
humble yacht
i wonder if spores are only visible in game for gameplay and atmosphere purposes
craggy sierra
Either case infection forms swarm a lot, often in numbers that out pace your clip, and a human will get killed the second they need to reload.
versed helm
Spores are smaller
The ones seen floating around on High Charity in H2?
feral drum
Yeah
gilded mason
The ones seen floating around on High Charity in H2?```
I thought you were talking about the Infection FormsNo, the spores.
feral drum
Which reminds me, it seems spores aren't strong enough to infect Sangheili or Brutes, since they run around without masks on and seem perfectly fine after
gilded mason
For Elites at least, they've got that energy shield protecting them
versed helm
Do you want me to send an image link for reference?
feral drum
Yeah
craggy sierra
I’m pretty sure they made a point of sending EVA elites in to help chief in H3 that had full masks on
gilded mason
gilded mason
That image there is an infection form, yes
versed helm
Right, I was confused for a second.
feral drum
Its just super extremely hard for them to be infected because of the genetic modifications, right?
gilded mason
No.
versed helm
The protocol is pretty morbid.
craggy sierra
Either case the flood wouldn’t work for survival horror. Their MO is to rush en masse which wouldn’t work for trying to build horror.
gilded mason
Johnson can be infected
craggy sierra
Also spartans can be infected as easily as anyone else.
versed helm
I thought he couldn't because of his nervous system?
gilded mason
That was retconned
humble yacht
Joe Staten didn't like that
craggy sierra
The only thing stopping it is their armour that the infection forms pop on the shielding of
humble yacht
so he removed it
feral drum
I thought the canon was, because of the modifications, the Flood had a tougher time infecting them. Whole reason why SPARTANs and Johnson are left alone
craggy sierra
Nope
humble yacht
johnson escaped due to his superior fighting ability
feral drum
Yeah, no.
versed helm
Luck?
versed helm
From the original graphic novel?
feral drum
We've seen his fighting abilities. He can take multiple infection forma and come out the same Johnson
gilded mason
No known biological [scaffolding] augmentation impedes efficacy of parasite conversion process.
There is no inoculation against infection, no treatment to slow the parasites' growth, no reversal of its transformation
humble yacht
gameplay != canon
versed helm
Ah yes, I hate how overpowered they are. I get they are the apex predator of life but they are very boring to me.
humble yacht
just because marines can tank a few infection forms in CE doesn't mean they're actually immune
feral drum
Wouldn't it make more sense for the genetic modification thing?
Because, let's be honest, a lot of SPARTANs would be infected without it
clever fable
"A lot" meaning who exactly?
humble yacht
no because that genetic modification thing originally only applied to Project ORION, not the IIs and IIIs and IVs
versed helm
What? How can you be immune to having your nervous system hijacked through variation of genes?
humble yacht
also the flood only need a nervous system to turn you into a combat form
if you can't be a combat form, you can still be biomass for walls and stuff
feral drum
II's have genetic modifications, as well as surgeries and chemicals, no?
3 were the ones without
gilded mason
II's have genetic modifications, as well as surgeries and chemicals, no?```
Yes. But it won't help against the Flood.Again, how does that protect you from having your nervous system hijacked?
humble yacht
all spartans have some sort of gene therapy, in teh IVs it's specified as telomere lengthening
clever fable
It probably doesn't protect you that much.
humble yacht
it doesn't
it explains the spartan's theorized longevity but that's it
long telomeres don't protect you from parasites and viruses
versed helm
The extension of telomeres?
it explains the spartan's theorized longevity but that's it
humble yacht
yes
gilded mason
Yes.
feral drum
Well, genetically, if your body is change, new pathways and mutations appear. This would actually help against the Flood, since the Flood are used to normal prey items, and aren't just hijackers. Their supercells try to take over your body too, which genetic changes could help prevent, if not slow down.
Kinda like a virus evolving
versed helm
Sometimes I feel like Solid Snake, just asking too many questions.
humble yacht
that would be a fine theory if the flood only infected one species
feral drum
The same virus will change again and again, evolving. Cells do the same thing
humble yacht
but the flood infect anything and everything
gilded mason
The Flood can infect all the alien races as easily as any other (besides hunter worms...maybe?)
humble yacht
they infect hunter worms too
gilded mason
Ah
humble yacht
engineers aren't biological
gilded mason
^
feral drum
Yeah, they can infect individual worms.
versed helm
What happened to the Lekgolo in Nightfall?
humble yacht
they turn worms into biomass because they are not suitable for combat forms
versed helm
I forgot.
humble yacht
they died to a nuke
gilded mason
That's what I was thinking of, yeah.
versed helm
I'm referring to how they got corrupted, Chimera.
humble yacht
forerunners experimented on them to turn them into an anti flood weapon
it didn't work
feral drum
They weren't corrupted.
versed helm
Ah, so like what that Monitor did to someone in Hunters in the Dark?
humble yacht
no
feral drum
They just had no commands or armor to fill out, so they can shift to whatever
humble yacht
not quite
versed helm
How different are we talking here?
humble yacht
the Thanolekgolo were genetically different from standard lekgolo
it's not just that they didn't have armor to fill out to be hunters
hell, they got that armor from the covenant
back before the Taming they were just hulking masses of worms
feral drum
No, no, I mean Nightfall
obsidian thistle
Lekgolo Gestalts are not all the same. All may have differing strengths and weaknesses.
versed helm
I didn't even know that the Covenant incorporated that variation of Lekgolo into its military.
feral drum
The worms had nothing to fill out, they were just hulking masses that took shapes
And ate humans
humble yacht
that's because of forerunner experimentation
feral drum
Well, Covenant eat Humans, it isn't new.
Unggoy, Kig-Yar, and Jiralhanae all eat Humans
humble yacht
also, standard mgalekgolo take bipedal, humanoid shapes even without armor
obsidian thistle
Well we cant say the Thano were experimented on. We can however say their peculiar abilities may have been considered useful against the Flood.
feral drum
Mhm
humble yacht
as you can see them in their "naked" form during the Taming
jolly furnace
So far only Lekgolo can't be directly infected
humble yacht
not by a Pod Infector
obsidian thistle
If anyone wants a fun image. Here is two Lekgolo gestalts side by side. The Mgalekgolo (Bottom "Hunters"), and Sbaolekgolo (Top "Harvester").
humble yacht
spore exposure could still ruin a colony
though it would likely be a slow conversion process
obsidian thistle
Lekgolo in theory can still be used as Biomass. Even if they cant be infected traditionally.