look if you don't get it you won't understand my sentiments
#lore-and-universe
craggy sierra
Doom is a game with a story that is a meme and people almost consider the fact that they gave the series an overarching lore a meme unto itself
queen otter
That’s where I fail to understand, Broodles.
craggy sierra
Halo ain’t like that
past olive
That’s where I fail to understand, Broodles.
if you fail to understand what I've told you, you'll never understand no matter how much I try to tell you
craggy sierra
Your argument is basically “it’s not Halo without the chief”
fair hazel
You only like master chief in halo and it’s vast expansive universe doesn’t interest you?
queen otter
I mean I’ll need more explanation than “mad guy who kills demons”
queen otter
That’s the charm? Anybody could have that charm, Broodles
past olive
again, you don't get it
craggy sierra
And to that I gotta ask is the vast majority of the extended universe that doesn’t feature chief just apparently “not Halo”
Are ODST and Reach “not Halo” because they don’t feature chief?
tawny sonnet
The vast universe may interest people but a lot of people really like the chief, I'd enjoy moving away from the character but I'd like him to still play a role
queen otter
again, you don't get it
I know. But I still don’t understand the charm part. Saying I don’t get it doesn’t tell me why Doomguy is set apart from literally any person that could fill that role.
craggy sierra
Literally they can get more mileage out of chief’s character by making him a side character. Do what DMC did with Dante and move him to some sort of mentorship role after his personal arc as a developing character ends.
queen otter
Seems like this is just a case of “It is what it is because I want to it be what it is”
tawny sonnet
What's everyone looking forward to the most about halo infinite?
humble yacht
I think we’ve forgotten this is lore chat
tawny sonnet
Bit of a dry question but I've got nothing else
craggy sierra
The wave of insane people saying Halo’s dead for the 3rd game in a row.
tawny sonnet
People who don't get halo just never will
queen otter
People say that? This is news to me.
tawny sonnet
Halo has one of the best communities and lore in gaming
craggy sierra
ehhhhh
queen otter
That’s subjective
tawny sonnet
But it's apparently a dead franchise
craggy sierra
I’m more in on Mass Effect lore tbh
queen otter
It’s not dead. People fail to understand what a dead franchise actually is.
tawny sonnet
This is true
humble yacht
I think the skullgirls community is nicer than halo’s
Nobody ever invalidates others’ opinions there
craggy sierra
People just like to say it’s dead every time the game does something they don’t like
queen otter
Not necessarily
craggy sierra
If you don’t main Big Band you’re wrong
humble yacht
The added a Master Chief color pallette to a fighter and it’s pretty cool
craggy sierra
I used to play that a bunch
tawny sonnet
I hope to god locke isn't in halo infinite
humble yacht
It’s the only mobile game i play
craggy sierra
...skullgirls?
humble yacht
Yes
craggy sierra
Mobile?
humble yacht
Yep
queen otter
I hope to god locke isn't in halo infinite
Just because he was a bad character imo in 5 doesn’t automatically opt him out for being a good character in Infinite. If he’s there.
humble yacht
I can’t do real fighting games but the mobile version is nice
craggy sierra
[imagine a video link to 56k modem noises here]
craggy sierra
If Halo can pull off a salvage operation on Guilty Spark’s character I wouldn’t write off the possibility of Locke being made good at some point.
queen otter
343 was considered a bad character at one point?
humble yacht
I want to see Chief and Palmer hold hands and walk off into the sunset. Then I’ll collect the tears of all the haters, dry and collect the salt, and then season my steaks
queen otter
That’ll be a lot of salt.
craggy sierra
He was a bit one dimensional and mostly incapable of making you feel emotion for him besides grated annoyance.
queen otter
Id just like a full game with an elite in general.
tawny sonnet
At what point?
craggy sierra
I doubt that’s going to happen.
tawny sonnet
During the war?
queen otter
🤷♂️
craggy sierra
I’m pretty sure marketing departments take issue with main characters that aren’t human in realistic games.
queen otter
Halo is realistic?
craggy sierra
Maybe Mature was the more appropriate word
tawny sonnet
I do hope we can play as arbiter at some point again tho
craggy sierra
It’s why Miranda got top billing in the ME2 boxart despite being like the worst companion.
tawny sonnet
Maybe in infinite but I doubt it
queen otter
I hope that’s down the road though. I wouldn’t want to play as Arby during Infinite
tawny sonnet
Oh whys that?
queen otter
I don’t feel like it’s needed I just want a full centric Chief story.
craggy sierra
Kinda meant to be chief’s story here to wrap up his character arc
tawny sonnet
True
humble yacht
No
humble yacht
If anything infinite will begin 10 more years of chief
craggy sierra
I was mostly just expecting it to wrap up chief’s personal character arc of realizing he’s a real boy or something.
Jesus no why
tawny sonnet
But it is a spiritual reboot
humble yacht
Because 343 can’t seem to let him go
tawny sonnet
Not a final chapter in the trilogy
humble yacht
The reclaimer arc isn’t a trilogy anymore, anyway
It’s a saga, could be 3, 4, 5 games
However many games they need to tell the story
tawny sonnet
Let's hope not any more than 2
queen otter
I don’t see a new character friendly story wrapping up the reclaimer arc anyways.
craggy sierra
I’d still hope it ends in him getting over his own issues in Infinite because I don’t want to see that get dragged out for god knows how long.
Like I thought 343 said it was just going to be 10 years of Halo
Not chief specifically
tawny sonnet
I mean for all we know cortana dominates the galaxy for 3 more games
prime tendon
i need chief n' arby tho
queen otter
We definitely don’t need that.
tawny sonnet
I need arbiter dlc
humble yacht
They did say “10 years of halo” but I wouldn’t be surprised if it all included Chief
craggy sierra
Honestly I’d rather see a new elite ally paired with a new protagonist after Infinite and make them actually share chemistry unlike whatever mess H3 had.
tawny sonnet
Cause I don't want to wait 7 more years for another halo game
humble yacht
They doubled down on Chief for both infinite and the tv show
queen otter
I mean they are going to be or are working on spin offs.
craggy sierra
That TV show’s been in like development hell since before H5 hasn’t it?
queen otter
Yup
tawny sonnet
Didn't it get cancelled and revived a bunch of times?
queen otter
No
tawny sonnet
What would it be tho, live action cgi or an animated series
craggy sierra
I don’t know man. Last thing I heard about it was at one point it was apparently meant to be about a chick kidnapped by the covenant and raised to be an undercover assasin or something. It sounded really bad.
queen otter
I don’t actually know. Is it live action?
craggy sierra
That was apparently one of the early ideas. I think more recent news have it with a different story
tawny sonnet
Cause ngl halo nightfall looked pretty bad especially the elites
humble yacht
I don’t know man. Last thing I heard about it was at one point it was apparently meant to be about a chick kidnapped by the covenant and raised to be an undercover assasin or something. It sounded really bad.
That’s a misrepresentation
Sounds like someone’s been hitting the halo YTer sauce
craggy sierra
Actually I just got that from a convo in the modding discord like 2 months ago
humble yacht
They were hitting the sauce then
Basically people took a news report on the show and ran wild
tawny sonnet
I'd prefer an animated series
craggy sierra
A lot of people do there, because they’re trying to make mods for the blam engine
obsidian thistle
Atm we have no idea on what that lassie be doing with the Covies atm.
humble yacht
I think she’s more likely to be a Forerunner door opener under truth’s control
craggy sierra
But yeah in terms if show styling, it could easily look not good.
obsidian thistle
That or its a TNG "Suddenly Human" scenario
craggy sierra
Like you can’t exactly make costumes for most of the covenant so they’re gonna have to be CGI and then that runs the risk of just contrasting terribly agains actors because I really don’t trust TV series with high quality effects for more than just a pilot.
obsidian thistle
I still wish Nightfall choose to explore what group did the terrorist attack.
We have no idea atm
And it annoys me to no end xD
tawny sonnet
It really feels like halo nightfall doesn't real have a point
craggy sierra
I mean it’s a whole other thing when it comes to budgeting for an entire TV show. The budget tends to get blown on the pilot and then the rest of the episodes try to avoid needing effects at all costs and when they do it looks worse. You see it on Netflix shows a lot.
tawny sonnet
It couldve easily just been a novel
fair hazel
I enjoyed the second stories a lot
And looking at some of the gear and tech and unciedas
Universe
craggy sierra
I think it was the flash that I’ve seen people comment on clearly spending all the budget in the first episode
fair hazel
?
obsidian thistle
There was a time Nightfall was tied to the TV show in some form so some thought the villian in it would be in the show.
tawny sonnet
That makes more sense
The one character I'd like to see in a game was that 12ft tall elite that was meant to be basically worshipped by other elites
But then he got blown up
So...
Nvm
obsidian thistle
Ripa wasnt worshipped
gilded mason
He's talkin' about Xytan, if you weren't just memein'
obsidian thistle
Oooh
tawny sonnet
Yes
gilded mason
CIA pls
gilded mason
You call yourself a Halopedia Master smh
obsidian thistle
I got em mixed up for a mo cause both went boom
terse lava
Technically Ripa didnt get blown to bits as he was already dead 😝
lethal comet
I still laugh when I see the spartans just nudge Ripa's body into the abyss
fair hazel
that's funny
terse lava
To this day i dont see what the point was
carmine sleet
Likely to clear out space just in case
limpid meadow
Jerome had seen enough slasher flicks to know that the villain can come back at any time.
But in all seriousness, maybe he thought that Ripa might have a tracking device on him?
stoic hamlet
I agree with Slip. It was likely to ensure that, if fighting occurred again they wouldn’t accidentally trip on the bodies.
limpid meadow
That does seem the most likely reason
terse lava
I could see maybe a tracking device but would it have mattered? The Covenant had already made it to the Apez shortly after Forge went up and sent forces to take him out anyway
last anchor
Its called battlefield sanitation. Its a pretty common deal if you think you might be engaging in further combat.
Also, from a more personal level, it might be to lift Forge's spirits, cause nothing makes you feel better than watchign the guy you got your butt kicked by go "wheeeeee" off a nearly endless drop
carmine sleet
It doesn't really matter as his body was destroyed no matter what
versed helm
So did Ripa just fall into the sun?
@stiff creek His body wasn't recovered to be placed into the mausoleum of the Arbiter
I'm gonna cry
fair hazel
Maybe red team should do that with atriox’s body too
gilded inlet
hey guys is chief's armor from "The Package" canon
i know that Kelly PROBABLY didnt have heels but her armor otherwise made sense
same with fred
fair hazel
Yes? Why wouldn’t it be?
gilded mason
but her armor otherwise made sense
Besides the heels, her armor also had a "breastplate", as it were.
fair hazel
ah yes. Other than that weird detail
carmine sleet
You know, I'm surprised I never noticed that before
fair hazel
It’s kinda hard to notice the other spartans armours too
stoic hamlet
I enjoyed that Arthur and Solomon were basically wearing the same armour as John.
As was Fred really, barring the helmet and the knife inserts on the shoulders.
feral perch
day 1096 of being disgruntled with tons of Mark IV variants
versed helm
There are some nice variants, we've had enough of them though.
last anchor
I like how thats what people notice about the Package and NOT that the Grunts had green blood.
feral perch
Booster frames are dumb
last anchor
I just want a kit for em. Call Bandai, have em make a snap fit Gunpla style one.
Scale to put action figures on preferably
carmine sleet
I like 'em. They're something different for the UNSC
last anchor
If you think of them as a vehicle, yes, they're silly.
If you think of them as what they are (a gun-carrying delivery system for a Spartan), then it makes sense.
Considering they are basically just a gauss cannon with engines and missile pods...
I WILL wonde rwhy they have the M41 on the back though. I know its there for Kelly to grab and make that cool one liner but did...someone designing it just say "hey what if we wanna put two Spartans on this thing"
stoic hamlet
I wanna know why we don’t see them used more often. Like that’s a lot of heat. Navy must be pissed that, once again Spartans get all the toys.
gilded inlet
i think its all right that the mark iv has a few variants
last anchor
If I had to guess, they're too expensive to produce en-mass, and considering only a Spartan could use them without dying...
Actually we dont ever see anyone BUT Spartans piloting them do we
gilded inlet
the way i saw them in the package, other than kelly, most of them had the same armor just different helmets or attachments
last anchor
They're probably more commonly deployed with the IVs these days. But they're still kinda niche.
stoic hamlet
The only thing that changes is the helmet, the knee guards and that’s basically it. And even then like half the helmets are retrofitted from regular gear.
It’s the same variant for everyone.
obsidian thistle
@stoic hamlet actually Arthur and Solomon wore the same armor as Fred.
last anchor
Probably cause they didnt figure it was worth giving the two casualties differnet armor.
stoic hamlet
Oh did they? It’s been a bit. I know they had the same colours.
obsidian thistle
Kelly wore Mark IV EVA.
And John had his Mark VI-like helmet
last anchor
Proto-MK VI
obsidian thistle
I still wish the design got a name
stoic hamlet
I’m just gonna call it cobalt.
obsidian thistle
Cobalt has a unique suit design
stoic hamlet
Is it not more or less “base” Mark IV?
gilded inlet
i thought so
stoic hamlet
The helmet is unique
Also: the only correct canon look of it comes from Collateral damage, IIRC. The art of Silent Storm isn’t canon to how it was in the book.,
last anchor
We could just call it Extraction
stoic hamlet
Hehe
last anchor
Or "WARM BLANKET Mod"
obsidian thistle
Note that Cobalt in general changing designs a lot kinda suits the armor tbh
Seeing as it was to test stuff
stoic hamlet
Yeah.
I’m just saying it doesn’t look like the cover of Silent Storm during Silent Storm
stoic hamlet
I doubt it was just given to blue Team.
last anchor
The art style for Collateral Damage always amuses me. Its a good style but its...almost anime in some places
obsidian thistle
I still love that B Mjolnir has origins in Mark IV.
gilded inlet
wait this shows chief's face?
last anchor
Nothing beats "angry raging Fred" from Slipspace tho
stoic hamlet
Lol
gilded inlet
oh wait theyre still like 14 or 15 here tho arent they
obsidian thistle
Tbf we seen Johns face a lot
stoic hamlet
We know what he looks like as an adult though
obsidian thistle
Just not his full adult face.
last anchor
His face isnt exactly a secret anymore.
obsidian thistle
*Unless you count that odd texture from CEA.
stoic hamlet
As late as 2552 we get a detailed description of his face.
gilded inlet
honestly i would rather just stick with the description of chiefs face than ever actually seeing him as an adult
last anchor
Im indifferent really.
Hes not exactly a faceless voiceless protagonist anymore. Hes "the Chief"
gilded inlet
maybe an angle of it where you can see the back of his head and kinda the side of his face while he's looking off into the distance or something, but thats it
i wouldnt be upset with seeing his face tho
its just preference
last anchor
Perhaps infinite will give us that.
gilded inlet
would be cool
obsidian thistle
I'd love to know his last name
fair hazel
Same
gilded inlet
i dont think we really ever will
i know its horribly inaccurate but i used to sometimes call him John Sierra
no real reason behind it tho
fair hazel
Sierra-117 refers to John.. not others
gilded inlet
i know
fair hazel
Sierra-058 for example would refer to the best spartan
last anchor
There isnt
prime tendon
theres good ones though
gilded inlet
they kinda all have their own advantages
prime tendon
like top 10
last anchor
^
Though even that seems to be worn away since Nylund left
gilded inlet
they are all really good but some are more proficient in certain areas
like linda with being the best sniper in the unsc
or kelly being the fastest
and fred with cqc
chief isnt really anything super special, just kinda a swiss army knife
better in all areas than average but not the best at anything
fair hazel
Good luck getting linda.
gilded inlet
also i read somewhere that chief has run the fastest but ripped up his muscles in doing so
as kelly runs faster on average
gilded inlet
ya i think that was it
dusk star
Chief thinks faster and acts on it. Exspecialy when pared with cortana
last anchor
Fred is and always will be "the knife guy" to me
gilded inlet
whos fred? i only know the knife guy
gilded inlet
i know that, it was a joke
last anchor
Speaking of Kelly though, I hope at some point they canonize Speed Boosts in Warzone as a thing that actual Spartans use in-universe (even if it is still just in simulations) and we get to see Kelly in her Herme's BLITZING across an open feild at like 200 klicks an hour
gilded inlet
haha kelly go nyooom
carmine sleet
Until we get something that canonises them, I'm just gonna headcanon that they're just the mushrooms Grif found in Red Vs Blue Season 15
prime tendon
whats noble 6 good at?
gilded inlet
black ops or assassination ops ig lol idk
prime tendon
jack of all trades maybe?
carmine sleet
Apart from assassinations and flying Sabers, it's basically whatever you speculate he's good at. They purposefully left it to the players imagination what Six is good at
gilded inlet
ya
carmine sleet
Like, I could say Six is an expert ranch hand at a unicorn ranch
last anchor
To be fair, the mushrooms WERE made using the in-game speed boosts so XD
I dont see why thats not a thing we can consider
The mushrooms are boosts and the boosts represented the mushrooms and XD
As for Six, his special skill is just...killing things.
And probably pilot.
feral drum
Now I have a question: How many variations of the Falcon exist? And why aren't they in Halo 4/5, but in Halo Wars 2?
glacial dock
What does Sierra 117 mean? I heard it was mentined in Halo 3
gilded mason
Sierra = S
S= Spartan
So "Spartan 117"
stoic hamlet
I still love Fred being known as the knife guy.
Still hasn’t used a knife in any of the books.
The closest was when he balances one on his fingers in first stroke, which is where the idea of him using knives comes from, I think.
humble yacht
Sierra is the nato term for S
feral drum
Halo Legends Fred fights off three Sangheili with his knives
last anchor
Nylund explicetly state he was the CQB master for the Spartans at least once I think.
But again that was the Nylund Era, where Every Spartan Did One Thing Better
vale pendant
is it explained in the lore what ever happened with the prophets
after halo 3
As they dont appear in halo 4 or 5 without even a mention of them existing
last anchor
They gone, I think thats all we know
versed helm
Shadow of Intent explains what happened to some of them.
vale pendant
mind saying what
versed helm
They basically kept doing what they practiced before, except they targeted vulnerable Sangheili settlements out of revenge.
vale pendant
i see
versed helm
This was done at a very small scale mind you, not many were left after H3.
versed helm
@vale pendant I recommend checking Rtas' wiki page on Halopedia, it provides a more detailed explanation of what happened.
vale pendant
thanks
versed helm
No problem.
unique rune
Now I have a question: How many variations of the Falcon exist? And why aren't they in Halo 4/5, but in Halo Wars 2?
...There are Falcons in HW2?
versed helm
He's probably referring to the Nightingales.
obsidian thistle
I'd say there is three main variants.
The base variant
Then the A and S variants as listed here https://www.halopedia.org/UH-144_Falcon#Variants
The Nightingale has a similar profile to the Falcon. But lacks a lotta its key featured.
Outside the conceptual ZAV-48 Frostraven (which would use a Nightingale frame if it were to be made) the closest vehicles to the Falcon had oughta be the AV-19 Skyhawk, and AV-22 Sparrowhawk. But those are very different.
feral drum
I see. Then why don't they show up? Phased out by the UNSC for the Wasp and Hornet? Or are they still around, just not around as much
fair hazel
because they're simply not put into the whatever media you might be thinking of?
why does the nightingale make me feel safe..
feral drum
Well, from what I read, they are better alternative than the Pelican in some situations, you think the UNSC would be using them more
I mean, I obviously don't mean the Infinity, they'd probably have upgraded versions of the Falcons or something better, but I feel some of the other UNSC ships, or maybe even the Banished or Innies would use them
Also, shouldn't there be...three variants?
You have the one with the turret in the front and machine guns on the side, then the version with the genade launchers on the sides, then the support one, with just the turrets?
gilded inlet
the unsc barely has any fighter jets
like
proper ones
the super aerodynamic type
versed helm
Longsword, broadswords, shortswords, sabres, and the fighters from halo 3 aren’t enough?
fair hazel
baselards
feral drum
Now, I have another question, why did the UNSC design the Hornet if the Falcon is better?
fair hazel
Those vehicles fill different roles..
gusty spoke
Well, the falcon would only work in planets with a thick enough atmosphere to allow for lift by helicopter blades
feral drum
True, the Hornet is a VTOL
jolly furnace
I wonder if AH had similar lookin vehicles to UNSC ones.
One of their fighters resembled a Broadsword or Saber from the looks of it
bitter river
oof
terse lava
When are we shown AH fighters?
gusty star
Wut?
terse lava
All CAS carriers had the large main hanger
Some however had an extra, small hanger on the stern of the carrier. These showed that those particular carriers were blessed by a hierarch
low moss
maybe
lethal comet
What happened to the drones after h3? The queen probably died on High Charity
gusty star
There is more than one queen
gilded mason
And a ton more colonies on many other planets
quiet salmon
I think only the san'shyuum knew how to talk with drones
gilded mason
Why would they?
quiet salmon
since they translated alot of other langauges
terse lava
They only developed communication with the yanme'e, but they couldnt really speak it fluently like the sangheili language
quiet salmon
i dont think jul'mdama had the resources to use drones or even adopt them
gilded mason
Jul had Drones in his employ
quiet salmon
i think they would be quite hard to control
gilded mason
Why would they?
terse lava
Communication is yhr only problem. They saw the san shyuum hierarchs as their "queens" as well
gilded mason
Though there was one Drone that was able to quickly create a translator for English <-> Yanme'e
So I imagine that's all already done with for Sangheili <-> Yanme'e
terse lava
Well the yanme'e were good technicians
gilded mason
Yeah
And especially since Sangheili and Yanme'e have shared at least one colony together for centuries to millenia
terse lava
I figure the little anti-gravity devices on a yanme'e doubled as translators as well
And may have made a combat harness similar to a yanme'e 🙂
terse lava
I am shocked I never considered it before. When I was younger figure their armor was originally classic covenant and what we see are the uncovered plates
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
It's the excuse for the heretic banshee
feral drum
That reminds me, when did the Covenant learn English? Because the Sangheili, San Shyuum, and Jiralhanae speak it fluently.
terse lava
That's coming up a quite a bit lately
feral drum
The Sangheili don't have lips...or a tongue.
gilded mason
They do have a tongue, actually!
feral drum
Oh, they do?
gilded mason
Ye. It resides in their throat when not in use
gusty spoke
I always assumed the games were translated for our benefit
gilded mason
It's a pretty long tongue, really.
feral drum
Huh.
fervent glade
More than likely the grunts learned English first. Apparently they were really fast learners
terse lava
Actuslly the first to properly learn it were teams of 500 sangheili and unggoy, as ordered via an edict of the hierarch Restraint. A few months later into the war, Fleetmaster Nizat had decreed everyone in his fleet was to learn the human language
fervent glade
then they spoke even when there no humans around except on reach apparently
I never understood that
gilded mason
Those portions are for player benefit
fervent glade
so they were actually in Sangheili?
terse lava
They are yes
gilded mason
When not stated otherwise, or talking to humans, yeah
fervent glade
this makes alot of sense
gilded inlet
Longsword, broadswords, shortswords, sabres, and the fighters from halo 3 aren’t enough?
what i mean is that those are rather large
too big to be considered a fighter jet
sabres are a maybe but they are more like starfighters
not to mention that they have stages for launching
and we have really only seen them dock, not really land on their own
feral drum
I do like that the Sangheili and Unggoy were the first to learn english. Hell, in the later stages of the war, the Sangheili respected the Humans and wondered why they were fighting the Humans.
fervent glade
Kinda weird how jackals suddenly speak English in halo 5 and have goofy voices to boot
jolly furnace
@terse lava In terminals and Mythos and concept art we see ancient human fighters
terse lava
Ah true didnt think of mythos
jolly furnace
Aye
Some look like sabres or broadswords
or modern fighter jets
They'll just be more advanced
sci-fi lookin
have energy weapons
probably impulse drives
slipspace drives hopefully
and shields
be super fast
Maybe use reaction drives
Or hard light weapons
or Plasma weapons
U can tell i've been thinkin alot about it
terse lava
Seraph forever
jolly furnace
I loved spamming Hawks in HW1
I'd send them around edge of maps behind enemy bases
draw enemy forces away from base with a decoy ground force
and swoop in from behind and destroy bases rapidly
terse lava
I recall having to make fleets of vampires and huragok to act as the "team medic" at healing the allies and keeping Regrets and Hawks at bay
lethal comet
I don't get why the AV19 was never used outside fall of reach
fervent glade
is the scarab technically a vehicle thats controlled by lekgolo?
lethal comet
yes
gilded inlet
so i guess the skyhawk seems to fill that fighter jet role
the wasp looks pretty similar to it too
i nearly forgot about the wasp
that’s more vtol oriented tho
boy i hope the wasp returns
i liked its design
lethal comet
I'd prefer the hornet
gilded inlet
either works
terse lava
Pity there has not been a proper small covenant air transport like the hornet or falcon
slim thorn
Phantom or Spirit is too big, isn't it?
lethal comet
banshees are kinda like hornets
versed helm
Except they only have one seat and do not use VTOL engines.
cedar surge
Potential of seeing new unsc ships in infinite?
versed helm
Maybe, we are being introduced to new characters so we might see a commander for a new ship.
lethal comet
Lets hope we get Eternity
carmine sleet
Unlikely, allot of Eternity's parts were used for Infinity after it got struck by a glassing beam
versed helm
I wonder if humanity made films about the Spartans.
carmine sleet
It wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility. There was a kid in one of the Hunt the Truth adverts with a Spartan action figure. Either it was meant as the equivalent of Action Man in the 2550s or it was merch released around the time of a film
versed helm
That's a scary thought, it reminds me of the idolisation for the "heroes" in The Boys.
carmine sleet
Well, we do have real world products made for kids that promote idolising the military, such as the example of Action Man that I already used
versed helm
Yeah, of course but it's not for kidnapped children who were subjected to unethical training.
carmine sleet
That is very true but the majority of the civilian population don't know that fact
versed helm
That's the dark aspect to it, like how people are unaware of the heroes being manufactured in The Boys.
carmine sleet
I see
carmine sleet
Aye, just a shame this billboard is the only bit of lore on the film
past olive
wow
the video game universe made a movie about the main character of the video game for all the video game nps's to go see and enjoy
main siren
I do appreciate when a video game universe goes out of its way to make in-universe events and entertainments.
Makes the universe a bit more lively, tbh
versed helm
Thanks, 391.
lethal comet
You're saying that like you are referring to him with his spartan tag
versed helm
Is that a bad thing?
gilded inlet
wow there is a movie about the chief in-universe
how interesting
thats pretty cool
lethal comet
Is that a bad thing?
Not at all.
terse lava
Was nor aware of that in universe movie. Curious
gilded inlet
monke halo movie when
versed helm
No thanks.
gilded inlet
lol
feral drum
Now, I know some of Halo Legends is canon, such as the Arbiter, but stuff like Prototype or Babysitter, are those canon?
carmine sleet
It's all canon but Odd One Out if I recall correctly
feral drum
I see.
carmine sleet
Granted, some details Cortana says in Origins I and Origins II don't match up but that's easily explained away as her descending into Rampancy
feral drum
Could be what she thought was happening while she was gone.
The Jiralhanae, Unggoy, Kig-Yar, and Sangheili, joining forces with Humanity to fight against the Flood
lethal comet
Imagine 1337 was your co op partner in ce
carmine sleet
You'd have to do allot of babysitting if he was
limpid meadow
So a normal co-op experience?
limpid meadow
That would be a fun YouTube series. "Chief and 1337" or something
versed helm
How many Spartan 2s does the Spirit of Fire have?
humble yacht
just red team
limpid meadow
3 in total
carmine sleet
They aren't on the Spirit of Fire
Their appearance in HW2 multiplayer is none canon but they do exist in the Halo universe
versed helm
Ah, I see. They are still alive though, right?
carmine sleet
Yes
humble yacht
because it's a useful transport vehicle?
carmine sleet
They serve the same basic purpose as what police helicopters serve
versed helm
Think the Warthog is ever used for industrial purposes?
carmine sleet
Let's not forget about the golden Hog too
versed helm
That must be for a luxury line, right?
humble yacht
no, that would be the stretch hog
versed helm
You're joking.
obsidian thistle
Oh @limpid meadow @humble yacht its "possible" the SoF has a 4th Spartan off-screen.
But its based on a lotta factors happening.
https://www.halopedia.org/Keiichi-047
The Keiichi-047 scenario. If Keiichi-047 was not left behind on Harvest or Arcadia. And didnt die on Harvest, Arcadia, or the shield world. The SoF has 4 Spartans at that point.
versed helm
Maybe he died off-screen?
obsidian thistle
Last we saw he was still alive and tied to the SoF.
This was Feburary 4th 2531.
So take it as you will
versed helm
I'm talking about on the Ark in HW2, he could have died there.
versed helm
Right, hopefully we'll get some clarification later on.
obsidian thistle
Catalog said he was MIA. But thats not a real answer for Spartan-IIs lol
limpid meadow
I wouldn't call that a possibility. If he was present, there would have been something in Halo Wars 2.
Let alone Halo Wars 1 (in the game itself)
feral drum
I mean, the Pelican is sort of a heavy troop transport. It's the LAAT of the Halo Universe, you know?
Just wondering why the police would need a military grade transport when Falcons and the like exist
limpid meadow
The UEG is a totalitarian state. I'm not surprised Earth police forces are heavily militarized.
humble yacht
Exuberant Witness celebrates how she serves the Builders as if they were so great, and then you remember how much of a foul character Faber was
carmine sleet
Please don't get weird over the light bulb
feral drum
Anyway, still, you think they'd have slimmed down versions of the Pelican
Kinda like how the Condor is a heavy built Pelican with more weapons
versed helm
Please don't get weird over the light bulb
That joke was too good.
feral perch
Exuberant is the best Monitor. She really does deserve the title of waifu
humble yacht
she's only the best because she hasn't betrayed us yet
feral perch
No she’s the best because of her personality
859 Static Carillon hasn’t betrayed us either
carmine sleet
I want to take Exuberant on a road trip around the galaxy so that she can see how things have changed in the time since the Halos fired
humble yacht
She'd say no because she ain't leaving her installation
carmine sleet
Yeah... That's true... One day she'll get to see the galaxy... One day
humble yacht
blow up genesis, then she won't have an installation to manage
carmine sleet
But that's cruel and would hurt her feelings
humble yacht
she'd probably go rampant
carmine sleet
Like, I said, it'd hurt her feelings
humble yacht
rampant Exuberant wouldn't be as lovable
humble yacht
Spark was chill until Chief and cortana messed with his index and installation
feral drum
Well, chill is...not the word I'd use
He was basically on the edge of rampancy and seemed too urgenr. Exuberant Witness was more happily floating a long and commenting on everything.
"I am being shot? How exciting!"
stoic hamlet
She’s too pure for this dark universe.
carmine sleet
Canadian is right. She's too pure
stoic hamlet
No!
humble yacht
not so pure that she wouldn't imprison people for study
versed helm
thats a different monitor bro
humble yacht
no
stoic hamlet
Someone must stay uncorrupted! To show what we could be, what we could all aspire to be, in a perfect world.
humble yacht
Exuberant kept a zoo
gilded mason
Do you not remember the "zoo"?
humble yacht
she locked up prometheans and covenant
gilded mason
That poor knight, bangin' his head against the wall.
stoic hamlet
She just wanted to make sure they were well cared for, obviously.
But yeah no she absolutely kept a zoo.
versed helm
ebullient prism had the zoo exuberant witness had a world that made seed worlds
look it up
humble yacht
Exuberant also had a zoo on Genesis
versed helm
wikipedia doesnt count cuz thats bs
gilded mason
Do you remember Halo 5's last level?
humble yacht
it was a small zoo but it was a zoo
gilded mason
Exuberent: "Ah. You've noticed my humble collection. Just a few specimens the Guardians have brought to Genesis."
gilded mason
🤔
feral drum
Right. Except she does it for study. Not like she is making a circus.
gilded mason
Humans do the same thing
And that's also unethical, generally. If it's not in the name of conservation/preservation.
feral drum
Also, the Covenant do threaten Humanity. Or...did.
Point is, imprisoning soldiers who kill civilians, not really a bad idea.
carmine sleet
There isn't any civilians on Genesis
feral drum
The Guardians pick up debris and soldiers from different planets.
humble yacht
spoken like a perfect example of the impurity of humans
feral drum
Also, Exuberant did let them live...instead of killing them and displaying their bodies.
humble yacht
she still denies them their freedom
feral drum
Right. The Covenant, who...would do stuff like burning entire planets and murder civilians for their "Gods". And this is bad, because....they are imprisoned?
You know, I am actually liking Exuberant more as this goes on.
humble yacht
Jul's Covenant is not the same as the original Covenant
technically Arbiter participated in those terrible activities, should Arbiter be locked up?
wind rain
hey guys just wanted to check
so i checked a little bit of the spartan iii program, and they were basically the same thing but cheaper
but maybe they were physically weaker than spartans ii
humble yacht
they were cheaper because their armor was not MJOLNIR
wind rain
oh
humble yacht
MJOLNIR was the most expensive part of the spartan II program
those suits costed more than a small ship
wind rain
also i dont remember very well but they like
were psychologically stronger
i think
sorry for bad spelling im from south america
humble yacht
Spartan IIs had more dangerous augmentations but the Spartan III augs were an improvement
they were safer, too
feral drum
Two things wrong with the Arbiter statement
Number one being that the Arbiter tries to make things right and helped save the galaxy from the Covenant.
Number two being that Jul is still continuing the Covenants life style, even after being shown it was wrong. The Arbiter...is not.
Or...Jul was continuing the Covenants style
humble yacht
Jul wasn't continuing the Covenant lifestyle as it was originally
jul's covenant did not believe in the great journey
the hesduros elites did still worship forerunners
feral drum
Were they attacking Humanity over Forerunner objects, and were they attacking worlds with Forerunner artifacts to try and continue the work of their "Gods"?
Yes?
humble yacht
no
feral drum
Yes.
Since...they attack Chief and the Infinity.
They also attack the Swords of Sangheilios, who are allies to the UNSC
humble yacht
They attack infinity because Didact ordered them to
they attack SoS because they disagree with Thel's leadership
feral drum
No, they do it, even after the Didact is gone
humble yacht
after Didact is gone, Jul was in command
Jul hates humanity because they killed his family
well, he thinks they did
feral drum
Yeah, they are still Covenant. They may not be as powerful, but they carry the same ideals.
stoic hamlet
Darn I missed the III discussion. D:
feral drum
Hell, the Jiralhanae tribe that still believe in the Covenant let Humans into the religion. Jul is more Covenant than them
stoic hamlet
Ehh, not really
The Covenant only didn’t let humans in because the prophets mistranslated a Forerunner symbol. They would have let them in otherwise.
Probably
humble yacht
"let"
feral drum
Ooh, that's the fun part
humble yacht
they would have said "join or die"
feral drum
The Sangheili, in the Covenant, started believing Humanity should have joined and questioned why the Hierarchs didn't initiate them
You can imagine how well that went
...The Great Schism.
I mean, the Arbiter did horrible things, but he was still honorable and respected Humanity. Hell, we see this when Locke was studying the Arbiter in the Human Covenant war...before he became the Arbiter
He allowed Marines to arm themselves for a fair fight.
stoic hamlet
Ehhh, he wasn’t honourable. By Sangheili definition maybe.
feral drum
Ripa Moramee wasn't honorable.
Thel eas a thousand times more honorable than him
Even by Human standards
stoic hamlet
But he still murdered defenceless civilians: women and children.
humble yacht
Thel glassed entire worlds
stoic hamlet
That’s not honourable by any measure of how humans measure honour.
He killed billions of people.
feral drum
I believe Thel himself fought the soldiers, not the civilians. Then again, I haven't been on top of the books recently...
stoic hamlet
That doesn’t change the fact he ordered the glassings.
humble yacht
At the end of the day, thel was worse to humanity than most elites
feral drum
Point is, Thel is the entire reason Humanity and the Swords can make peace.
humble yacht
even if he did become an ally eventually
some random elite in Exuberant's zoo hasn't done nearly as much against humanity as thel
let's avoid that comparison, eternal
stoic hamlet
Or, “I just ordered the deaths of native peoples by the Conquistadors, I didn’t do it myself.”
feral drum
Debatable. Thel was honorable and fought along side his soldiers and followed orders. The Sangheili is Exuberants zoo is following Jul, who has proven himself to be a coward and ignores Thel, who knows better now.
humble yacht
thel is only an ally because he was shown the truth and had to worth with humanity against a common enemy
stoic hamlet
He didn’t do I out of the good of his heart, not initially.
feral drum
Kinda like going "Hey, you know this respected ship captain that stopped fighting for the wrong side and made peace with Humanity? He's the scum of the earth, more scum than the dude still killing Humans because of Forerunner artifacts!"
humble yacht
random elite in prison could be a potential ally too if given a chance, like thel was
feral drum
...He was given a chance.
humble yacht
there is that elite in H5 who if you keep him alive, he'll help you against prometheans
feral drum
The Great Schism gave him a chance.
stoic hamlet
If he was Jul’s Covenant he might not have been fighting at the time.
humble yacht
i think hesduros was outside the influence of the schism
feral drum
Hell, Thel was forced because the Flood had to basically smack some sense into him. The soldier in the zoo has had...six years.
Six years of the truth.
And he still kills for the wrong side
feral drum
"The Hierarchs lied to us and tried to murder us. And, it turns out, Humanity was right when they said Halo is a weapon!" - The truth.
fair hazel
Men, woman and children he killed.
stoic hamlet
The Sangheili would have no way to know what was true or not.
feral drum
Six years.
humble yacht
and Jul lies to his covenant, telling them the Didact is a god and he serves the will of the Didact
feral drum
Let's also not forget the fact that the Sangheili under Thel and Rtas fought amongside with Humanity, and would be able to tell the others.
stoic hamlet
^^^
humble yacht
not all elites agree with Thel
humble yacht
humanity killed a bunch of their kind, too
feral drum
That's the great part...the Prometheans turned on Jul.
Which proves Jul is wrong
Why would the soldier still follow him?
stoic hamlet
“The humans corrupted the sacred constructs with their arrival! Kill them and wipe away their shame!”
~ Jul, probably.
humble yacht
because jul told them cortana took control of them from him, probably
stoic hamlet
Which is t a lie.
feral drum
Yeah, uh...the Prometheans were fighting them for days before Locke shows up, no?
stoic hamlet
Because Cortana had taken control of them.
gilded mason
Most don’t agree with him, tbh.
I dunno if I'd say "most". I imagine many might agree with his general ideals, but are more concerned with other things on their own colonies.
stoic hamlet
After the schism ended as he was able to consolidate, sure.
But in the early days he was a minority.
feral drum
I imagine a ton of Unggoy joined Thel when they saw they could have a better life.
I mean, the Unggoy are treated as equals and not slaves under the Swords
humble yacht
there are grunts spread across many factions, just like the elites
there's no way to tell where most align
in all liklihood, most Grunts align with the Created since their homeworld was given boons in exchange for submission
feral drum
Well, the Banished have Grunts in their employ, the Covenant is basically dead on Sangheilios, and Cortana controls the galaxy....
Not to mention how fast the Grunts breed...
I honestly think most would be with the Swords and Created now.
humble yacht
balaho is going to have the highest concentration of grunts
gilded mason
But in the early days he was a minority.
I imagine that aspect in the early days was mostly in the inner Covenanent sphere. Vale talked about how in how outer Sangheili world walk-about, most Elites she met were tired of war and were simply curious about a human meeting them.
limpid meadow
That doesn't necessarily mean they side with Thel though.
humble yacht
there are also the Keepers of the One Freedom
gilded mason
Fair enough. I meant more that they're not necessarily opposed, since that's mostly Thel's idea as well.
humble yacht
and maybe the Servants of Abiding Truth allow grunts, who knows
stoic hamlet
Servants had Jackals, so they’d probably allow grunts.
feral drum
I assume the peace wanting Sangheili would join the Swords or support them
I mean, the head of the Swords is literally the most impressive Sangheili.
gilded mason
Or they just want to be left alone.
humble yacht
who says most sangheili wanted peace?
feral drum
...The fact the last Covenant city on the entire planet gets destroyed by the Swords kinda proves that most Sangheili wanted peaceful relations with Humanity, no?
humble yacht
no
gilded mason
At least on Sanghelios.
humble yacht
the SoS were losing before the USNC showed up
feral drum
UNSC didn't show up.
gilded mason
I dunno about that.
feral drum
Four SPARTANs did, and even then
Oh, sorry
The Arbiter was beating multiple Covenant soldiers with hand to hand combat
cedar surge
Was the entire unsc fleet except for the infinity destroyed?
humble yacht
probably not
cedar surge
So we may see other unsc fleets?
feral drum
Probably.
With Cortana controlling stuff on Earth, I imagine the UNSC on other worlds would bring in older ships, vehicles, and weapons
I mean, the teaser has Chief wielding, what looks like, a Halo Reach AR
cedar surge
Hey we may see a few Punics out of the woodworks
feral drum
Or a version of it.
I'd love to see the mechs the Spirit of Fire has to show up in a main Halo game. Could you imagine seeing a UNSC cyclops fixing stuff on Infinity?
cedar surge
I want to see a Punic and the infinity next too each other
feral drum
I hope the Arbiter has a bigger role in Infinite...love to play as him again.
gilded mason
Indeed.
cedar surge
I want to see the valiant,destroyers,battlecruiser,frigates and other ships we having seen in a mainline halo game
feral drum
I mean, even with the small role in Halo 5, he kinda rules it and gives more.
I mean, I feel pumped listening to his speeches and watching him fight
humble yacht
wouldn't it be funny if Sanghelios is destroyed by the time Infinite starts, and the the only elites left in the galaxy are from Hesduros?
I'd bust a gut
gilded mason
A bit rude tbh
humble yacht
#HesdurosForever
stiff creek
They aren't all from Sanghelios and Hesduros.
cedar surge
If they show ships from fleet battles I would be happy
feral drum
I wonder if the Arbiter will look more like the Halo 2 Anniversary Sangheili...maybe the armored mouth parts move like Halo 5
stiff creek
Ye
I'm sure the Elites will look like they used to.
And the Arbiter will have the look he had in the MCC scene with Locke in it.
feral drum
I hope we get both Sangheili
Love to see "old" Elites and the 343 ones working together with the UNSC
versed helm
Why not just wait and see for yourself?
feral drum
Because I am impatient and love Sangheili?
versed helm
So it seems.
fair hazel
There are huragoks on infinity
And infinity is better equipped than the spirit of fire
vale pendant
when the war ended, was there deep hatred between covenant species and humans?
fair hazel
I don’t really see cyclops suits being used to “repair” infinity
vale pendant
like some humans hated the covenant so bad?
feral drum
Oh, I meant after actual damage. I'm talking like hull breeches and the like
gilded mason
like some humans hated the covenant so bad?```
Yes.surely the peace wasnt stable?
feral drum
I know the Engineers are amazing, but they can't fix everything
versed helm
@vale pendant Yeah, some of it is covered in Halo Fractures.
gilded mason
There are gonna always be those that don't wish to get along.
fair hazel
They can definitely fix more than cyclops can
full forge
can douglas 042 dougie
i think this is the question we need to be answering right now
gilded mason
Nobody can dougie like Dougie.
vale pendant
how old is the librarian?
because at one point she said: we had this discussion a century ago
humble yacht
well she was thousands of years old
vale pendant
forunners turned that old?
fair hazel
Yes. Their suits let them live long
gilded mason
Their armor keeps them alive.
humble yacht
yes. their armor kept them alive for really long time
full forge
armur make space man live long
humble yacht
they didn't live as long as forerunners
vale pendant
was ancient humanity on the same tech level or ?
did they even have the ability to create things like a halo
fair hazel
A halo? Not that
full forge
I really want to know how the ace crew with their AI companion is faring with the created
fair hazel
But they were advanced in certains ways. And less in others
I want them to show up in infinite.........
full forge
Even if it was just that particular AI, I'd be very, very happy.
humble yacht
I want them to show up in infinite.........
oh please no
fair hazel
Yes!
full forge
I don't think they'd be a good fit for infinite.
But the AI?
It is a halo ring, after all.
vale pendant
how did the librarian die?
humble yacht
i don't want Infinite to be the Infinity War/Endgame of halo
vale pendant
from the firing of the halo rings?
humble yacht
the halos killed her
vale pendant
sad
humble yacht
along with everything else
full forge
Oh yes, the halos definitely killed her.
vale pendant
she seemd like a good person
how did the didact not die?
all because he was inside the planet?
full forge
Cryptum, shield world.
The shield world is mostly it I'm guessing.
They were designed to protect from even the halo's blast.
full forge
Because they didn't go with the Didact's plan.
They went with the Master Builder's, and all died.
fair hazel
Endgame was great but besides the point.
full forge
😠
vale pendant
just before the firing of the halo
did some message go out
that everyone knew this was it
or did they also keep that a secret to the survivaing forunners
And second, how much was left of the empire? where there still planets uninfected
or was it all torn appart
humble yacht
the halo pulse travels faster than light so some areas saw the effects of the pulse before the IsoDidact fired it
fair hazel
Echoes from the future
humble yacht
The Flood sent a final message to the Librarian telling her what would happen to the Domain when the Halos fired
so she knew it was coming, but she accepted it
vale pendant
did the flood also go like: We will be back
or did they say: Noooooo
you get the idea
surely the gravevind thought then it got outplayed
not knowing this would happen
humble yacht
the Flood wasn't happy about it, no
vale pendant
does the gravemind of the original trilogy know everything from the old war
or is it a seperate entitiy
gilded mason
The former, yes.
vale pendant
Meaning the gravemind in OT would know of the halo effects before the outbreak
humble yacht
it's the same gravemind
it made a new body but it's the same memories, same consciousness
vale pendant
scary
feral drum
It was sort of like...you know the Humans in Mass Effect? They were that level, while the Forerunners were the Reapers
Ancient Humans are advanced, just not too advanced
How likely is it for Halo rings to support Archosaurs? Like dinosaurs or large birds, crocodilians?
humble yacht
unlikely
feral drum
Can't even say the bad version of darn?
versed helm
No, you cannot.
clever fable
What a darn shame.
humble yacht
time to stop talking about the filter
humble yacht
we'll see
stiff creek
Did...
Did my message get deleted, or did I not send a message here in the first place?
versed helm
Just leave it.
stiff creek
okie
obsidian thistle
@cedar surge Its never been stated if all the Punic ships are destroyed or not.
The wording 343i used on the subject is the sorta vague they are known for so they dont lock down elements for future media.
As they say. "Never say exact facts in fiction and you cant be wrong later on."
cedar surge
Guess that's why they arnt saying the number of colonies left
So do you guys think the marines are using new gear or old ones?
versed helm
I think that's a new battle dress.
carmine sleet
It is but with some inspiration from the older dress from previous games
versed helm
Yes, of course as requested by the fans.
craggy sierra
Probably gone with the covenant
feral drum
That's a shame. I love how they look
craggy sierra
I like the idea that the elites are trying to move past their...past
gusty star
Honor Guard armor appears (albeit a variation of it) in HW2.
versed helm
It's not gone, the Banished use scavenged variants.
gusty star
Ultra Armor has seen several appearances in various forms of media since Reach.
feral drum
I see. I assume the Banished use old UNSC stuff too
craggy sierra
They use whatever the hell they can get hands on I think
gusty star
Atriox appears to be wearing an ODST chestplate, so I wouldn't doubt it.
versed helm
It's a cool subtle feature, yes.
craggy sierra
Anyways I do like the fact that the universe has moved towards differing armour designs. I feel like it has reflected in a lot of ways the galaxy has changed overall.
Especially since 343 seems to be trying to move away from trying to paint entire species as 100% always adhering to the same ideals
gusty star
Yes, I've taken a particular affinity to the Banished armors for both the Sangheili and Jiralhanae.
New, yet familiar.
Distinct.
versed helm
I wonder if we'll see other Spartans in Infinite.
craggy sierra
I think Infinite's story could benifit from keeping the side characters down
feral drum
I hope we get to actually see female Sangheili
versed helm
They might go with the approach of not having fellow Spartans. So that the player feels "special" or important.
craggy sierra
I doubt it
versed helm
Bungie have had ways to accommodate that, D'Artagnan.
You could play as Thel, N'tho, Usze, Linda and another Chief.
craggy sierra
The other characters being around kinda detracted from the personal nature of the conflict between chief and locke and heavily watered it down. Having 3 other characters tailing you around that do nothing to the plot besides occasionally remind you they exist can water down the narrative a lot.
feral drum
True.
versed helm
Though this time I believe it will be more elaborate, like with H5.
feral drum
I dunno, I liked Buck and all of Blue team
craggy sierra
So if there were other playable character for co-op it'd be in model only and literally no story presence
carmine sleet
Bungie have had ways to accommodate that, D'Artagnan.
You could play as Thel, N'tho, Usze, Linda and another Chief.
When could we play as Linda in a Bungie Halo game? I don't remember that at all
craggy sierra
Actually yeah, wtf
feral drum
Halo 1.
craggy sierra
...no
gusty star
No, canonically she was in cryo the entire time.
So there is no lore explanation for the extra Spartan.
feral drum
I mean, in game, it was supposed to be Linda.
craggy sierra
There's also no lore explanation for the multiple rookies, buck's, mickies, etc, or the multiple Noble 6's
carmine sleet
I mean, in game, it was supposed to be Linda.
It was not meant to be Linda as player 2 in CE
versed helm
When could we play as Linda in a Bungie Halo game? I don't remember that at all
It was Linda in the other cryo pod for CE, no?
craggy sierra
And again, Infinite's story should not be writing itself to accommodate chief having to drag around 3 other canonical characters like H5 did.
versed helm
He could have Thel with him again.
craggy sierra
If you did get to be other "characters" in co-op it would probably have no bearing on the story itself. It'd be like how Serious Sam lets you play as a Kleer in a christmas hat in co-op. Just a model selection.
Even just Thel being there. He was handled really poorly in Halo 3.
Him and Chief never talked at all, I doubt Arbiter would have that much to say to him outside of "soooo, these guardians are caused by lady in your helmet I only knew about for 1 mission"
versed helm
He was handled poorly, yes.
Well, he could explain his opinions on the Banished and Let 'Volir being a glorified mercenary.
craggy sierra
Does Chief have an opinion on the banished?
versed helm
He could form one.
craggy sierra
Like I feel like chief just doesn't have anything to say to most characters
versed helm
Well, he's never been the talkative type.
craggy sierra
He might fly well for a brick but his capacity for small talk is about on par with one
versed helm
Do you blame him though? Think about the circumstances for his upbringing.
full forge
So, here's the real question:
Jerome's red team, or Jai's Grey team.
Who do you pick
craggy sierra
Apparently other Spartan 2's are far better adjusted than he is.
versed helm
Jerome, but I am biased.
craggy sierra
Also blaming his upbringing or not, this conversation is about if slapping him with another character would benefit the story at all.
versed helm
Right.
carmine sleet
So, here's the real question:
Jerome's red team, or Jai's Grey team.
Who do you pick
Grey Team for sure
unique rune
It was Linda in the other cryo pod for CE, no?
It was not. The monitor readouts mark her cryopod as missing, if I remember correctly.
craggy sierra
That detail was added in CEA
versed helm
Thanks, 343i.
craggy sierra
I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not given how most people talk about CEA
The italics don't help either
versed helm
I was just joking, sir.
unique rune
Oh wait, not missing. Just flatlined.
But yeah I meant that in reference to CEA.
carmine sleet
The monitor with her status was also for a different section of the cryo bay to where Chief was
feral drum
I would love to play as Thel in his new armor
versed helm
But have his H2A design for the biological appearance.
feral drum
Of course. Though I hope the armor is more like Halo 5
craggy sierra
You usually don't see your armour in first person
feral drum
Moving parts for the mandibles
versed helm
I'm referring to seeing him in cutscenes.
feral drum
Love to see the female Sangheili he uses as soldiers as well.
versed helm
Uh, okay?
feral drum
Imagine fighting along female Sangheili against the Banished! That'll be a sight
versed helm
Honestly, I wouldn't really care, lol.
feral drum
We did hear a female Sangheili in Halo 5, be the first time we'd see them in combat.
versed helm
I get the importance of the race accepting female members but I feel like people would be weird about it.
craggy sierra
I don't think they do a lot of combat usually
feral drum
I dunno, we sort of accepted a female Sangheili in Halo Legends
versed helm
They didn't before Shadow of Intent.
feral drum
Right, the female Sangheili that fought with Rtas.
versed helm
Yeah, more members have been accepted after that event.
Since Rtas believed they proved their value.
feral drum
Makes sense
versed helm
I'd love to see SoS appear in Infinite but I'm not expecting to see them. Nor am I expecting to see Thel either. I think this campaign will be very similar to CE, exploring the unknown and discovering the Ring's secrets.
tame belfry
And the big twist will be that the giant super weapon is a giant super weapon!
versed helm
What if the twist is that this Halo is useful?
feral drum
I don't know, they made it sort of a huge thing in Halo 5, I think they'll have members of the SoS help the marines out.
Also, it is Zeta Halo
versed helm
Times change and it looks like the UNSC are on their own.
craggy sierra
There's a female elite in Legacy of Onyx and the way she talked about elite gender roles kinda made the females sound like the women of Iron Town from Princess Mononoke if that makes ANY sense at all.
versed helm
I don't know that reference, but it sounds like Final Fantasy.
versed helm
Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not familiar with that field.
feral drum
Like Ponyo.