Which seems as bizarre as the Empire going to pieces once vader and palps kicked the bucket. In legends they kept on existing for another 15 years at least
#lore-and-universe
terse lava
craggy sierra
Tbh losing literally the entirety of High Charity in 2 probably helped speed that along
I imagine that would’ve been the equivalent to losing the citadel in Mass Effect for them
terse lava
Maybe
craggy sierra
Tbh if that was essentially the ME citadel for the covenant I think I can understand why they decided to characterize truth as being more than a little unhinged and dumb in 3.
lethal comet
If Regret had survived, whose side would he be on during the changing of the guard
gilded mason
Probably the Elites, since he was their supporter
feral perch
Regret probably could’ve been persuaded to support the changing of the guard IMO
craggy sierra
Would the change have even happened without his death?
feral perch
Truth could have engineered it
craggy sierra
Like I know truth was looking for an excuse but I doubt he would’ve done anything then and there without regret biting it.
clever fable
Wasn't he effectively already doing something since the Brutes were slaughtering Elites back at Earth after Regret left?
terse lava
Depends on Regret's condition. if he was seriously hurt but saved, Truth could likely pull a guard change.
Yea he had the sangheili on earth wiped to have the jiralhanae be in charge. A precursor to the schism
stoic hamlet
Truth could probably try and make it out to be that the elites left on Earth attacked his Brutes first.
Or something.
But yeah I’d say it depends on the situation for whether Regret is for or against the change.
fair hazel
im not sure how life adds energy
versed helm
Has the UNSC ever tried implementing energy shield devices for normal soldiers? Or is it too expensive?
full citrus
Are brutes basically Apes?
carmine sleet
Has the UNSC ever tried implementing energy shield devices for normal soldiers? Or is it too expensive?
It is possible, given that we have seen more and more UNSC tech in the post war which has energy shields, such as Broadswords, Mantises, various UNSC ships, etc but it's likely that it is too expensive to mass produce energy shields like what we see in Mjolnir armour for standard troops
versed helm
Thank you, Slip.
limpid meadow
Energy shields require a constant source of power. That's already a consideration on ships, mechs, and other machines. Standard Troop BDUs would require a design overhaul to implement energy shielding, at least with the UNSC's current technology level
versed helm
Ah, would the power source for the shielding occupy a lot of space?
carmine sleet
Most likely. Mjolnir is equipped with a micro fusion reactor, which, while smaller than a normal one, ain't exactly something that's easy to carry if you're a normal person
versed helm
As in, a hydrogen fusion reactor?
carmine sleet
Doesn't specify whether it's a hydrogen fusion reactor or not I'm afraid
versed helm
Ah, thanks anyway.
carmine sleet
No problem. Honestly, I have a feeling it's one of those things they're not going to expand upon for the simple reason that we're still trying to work out the best way of achieving nuclear fusion
versed helm
Yeah, I've heard about this issue. We currently invest too much energy for a sufficient output with nuclear fusion.
lethal comet
Why did red team in HW have energy shields but not other spartans
humble yacht
Red team was testing a prototype energy shield system
lethal comet
If they had prototypes, why wait till 2552
carmine sleet
They didn't wait until 2552 to make it standard on Mjolnir for the sake of waiting. Mjolnir energy shields had to go through multiple iterations before it was ready to be added as a standard feature
versed helm
Is the polarisation of face plates automatic for ODSTs now?
humble yacht
i imagine it's something they can toggle since we see them go in and out both in day and night
obsidian thistle
So that Anomalous Signal right
humble yacht
nah
round comet
ok so lets talk hypothetically
IF it is a tease for infinite
then banished are basically confirmed
so, how would they tie into the story?
obsidian thistle
Banished Forces were still left behind.
Atriox didnt bring everyone to the Ark after all.
feral perch
This really seems like pandering though.
round comet
i mean, i really think thats atriox
feral perch
Like, I think Infinite will be very popular but probably not bold or particularly innovative.
humble yacht
you can tell it's not atriox
round comet
yeah thats really all we can do at the moment stornado, pander, think, hypothesize
humble yacht
different voice
feral perch
uh the fans aren’t pandering
obsidian thistle
Plus the dialogue...
feral perch
it’s 343i who are pandering by featuring the Banished in Infinite
obsidian thistle
"The hour approaches. Our forces occupy the ring, within hours, it will be under our control. Humanity will burn. Their brazen defiance will be all but a memory. No more Prophets, no more lies! We stand together, brothers to the end. We are his will. We are his legacy. We are the Banished."
Suggests this may more the forces left behind doing stuff in his name.
humble yacht
atriox would never describe himself as the will/legacy of someone else
ebon mauve
Yeah. Definitely not John DiMaggio
round comet
"The hour approaches. Our forces occupy the ring, within hours, it will be under our control. Humanity will burn. Their brazen defiance will be all but a memory. No more Prophets, no more lies! We stand together, brothers to the end. We are his will. We are his legacy. We are the Banished."
..who is "his"
flat elbow
LET'S GOOOO
feral perch
Atriox
feral perch
We know 
round comet
so...uh if that was not atriox talking, then he's a member of the banished. so "his" can only be atriox right?
or could it be someone else?
humble yacht
the only person teh banished would worship would be atriox
(if they worship at all)
obsidian thistle
I mean I get the feeling Atriox is taking longer than he expected on the Ark so his forces need to do stuff in his will. (perhaps even Legacy as they wont know his status)
odd elm
^ this
flat elbow
Atriox is the one and only leader of the Banished
round comet
..yes
flat elbow
So yeah "his" is definitely Atriox
obsidian thistle
Well the Youtube vid outright suggests Discover Hope as the next vid to watch.
round comet
ok banished confirmed
humble yacht
i'm just in a perpetual smh condition right now
round comet
why is that
feral perch
The pandering
humble yacht
i don't like the idea of banished in infinite
humble yacht
i suppose it's a good thing i have gamepass 😛
round comet
last anchor
Maybe this is what leads to poor Brohammer getting stuck in that Pelican.
The UNSC has to asset deny the Control Room of Zeta Halo to the Banished.
humble yacht
i don't see how the story continues off of Halo 5 if it's about the banished taking over a ring to get some nondescript revenge on humanity
obsidian thistle
I do have a smol feeling we may get a "tad" more context with the next "ONI Archive" content series.
Just a smol hunch is all
flat elbow
I hope the ring at the end of HW2 is the same ring at the end of H5
fair hazel
If it releases before the event
flat elbow
And Chief after H5 is on Sangheilios and Infinite is a couple years after innit
humble yacht
it's probably not the same ring
flat elbow
Hope it is
humble yacht
there were no planets in the sky of the ring at the end of HW2
flat elbow
The ring got pulled out of Slipspace by a Guardian
We dunno what happens after so it either stays there or makes it to it's destination
versed helm
you can tell it's not atriox
I think it's Let 'Volir.
humble yacht
Let Volir is with atriox
obsidian thistle
Probs just Banished forces left behind.
versed helm
Does that disprove my belief, Chimera?
humble yacht
it's less likely to be Volir than some other member of the banished
flat elbow
Believe what you want man
versed helm
How come?
flat elbow
Sounding hella offended
humble yacht
well for one thing, the voice sounds more brute than elite
versed helm
I'm not offended, Hazza. I'm just curious to know why Chimera disagrees.
humble yacht
but second, Let Volir has no way of getting to a ring
also, Let Volir joined atriox as a business deal, not out of faith
round comet
lol that little teaser
just
changed the state of the server
imagine what a full 15 min gameplay demo would do
feral perch
1 hour message wait times
round comet
slow modes everywhere
humble yacht
listening to Let's voice in HW2, it sounds different than the voice in the signal
versed helm
Ah well, thanks for clarifying anyway.
round comet
i mean i think there is a solid reason to believe that its someone in atriox's group on the ark?
humble yacht
why?
again, that group on the ark is stranded
the only way they could get off is if they got picked up by other banished
round comet
he's talking about a ring? and we are his will and all of that. unless the ring he's referring to is zeta halo.
humble yacht
but that would mean the whole conflict with the SoF would be resolved off screen
round comet
and not 09
humble yacht
the fact that the signal mentions occupying a ring is the very thing that suggests it's not Atriox's group from the ark
round comet
ok what
humble yacht
but rather a different group of banished left behind to do other things
the banished on the ark know atriox is alive
round comet
so.. the ring which was mentioned is zeta halo
humble yacht
no reason to talk about Atriox's will and legacy while he lives
we don't know what ring they're talking about
round comet
and atriox would be killed off-screen in SOR
last anchor
My guess is they think hes dead cause hes stuck on the Ark with Cutter. No COMS back out of course cause of the distance so...
Cant be Let, hes still on the Ark.
humble yacht
that would be the way they can use the banished without ending the HW storyline
last anchor
Might...be one of his former Chieftains trying to gain favor with the rest by doing something
Since Brutes ARE pack structured and if the Alphas gone, the Betas will rise
humble yacht
but the banished having multiple fleets just makes them even more of a covenant reskin
last anchor
(Shrug)
Actually, have we thought about it being the Servants of Abiding Truth?
And the he they speak of is Avu Med Telkum?
humble yacht
no
because they say "we are banished" at the end of the signal
so, there is no confusion about which faction is speaking
humble yacht
you'd think banished left behind in the milky way would have bigger things to worry about than humanity
round comet
that means they are willing to uh fire the halo ring?
last anchor
Seemingly
humble yacht
i thought the banished were supposed to be smarter than that
obsidian thistle
Hmmm well if we do want "some" evidence of Banished Forces still in normal space.
Work on Halo Wars 2 had Banished Forces in the Epsilon Eridani system.
If canon.
(Which FYI it appears in HW2)
fair hazel
Doubt so but it never seemed to me like the banished was all in the ark I think.
obsidian thistle
We dont know how recent that is. But it may be hints that Atriox wanted to control high priority area near the Soell system.
I mean if a Halo did get sent out (one thing Atriox wanted)
He'd be wise to control the space around where one was gonna go.
long igloo
I suppose not, mind you the Flood was obviously a big deal (even Atriox was so angry about that when Voridus decided to let them out by accident)
humble yacht
it wasn't accidental, he deliberately disobeyed orders
obsidian thistle
I will say one thing about that teaser.
It was nice to see the Banished Logo used in a in-universe context
We seldom see non-human faction logos used.
clever fable
I want to say that something big happened for the Banished in the time skip up to Infinite, but seemingly making their cause for fighting a genocide of humanity yet again isn't the way to go imo.
humble yacht
kinda feels like rehashing old plots
clever fable
It definitely is rehashing. I feel like we've been doing that a lot just to keep familiar foes in the games. Though it was easy for me to get over it in the past, personally. Kilo-Five made me interested in Jul.
Ignoring that I don't mind them being in the game too much I guess. I would like a instance of the UNSC and Banished having their backs pressed against the wall, and fighting the Created together. That's something that's also a little overdone maybe, but it's not like tropes are inherently bad. The Banished can potentially accomplish the goal of making the more casual fanbase care about a Brute that isn't Tartarus too.
I dunno, my mind is all over tha place on it. Will think about it for a while longer.
stoic hamlet
The Keepers would have been better for this, IMO
terse lava
Speaking of the new halo and Banished, I wonder what the plan would be to deal with any flood remains within the debris field of the first
humble yacht
maybe they died
maybe they floated towards Threshold and burned up in the atmosphere
terse lava
Some yes but I doubt all
humble yacht
any that remained in space would probably be in effective stasis from the low temp
or maybe the cells exploded from the vacuum
grave swift
I'm a bit mixed on the Banished being in Infinite tbh
humble yacht
i think i'm just straight up against it 
grave swift
Personally, I hope they act as opportunitists looking to take what they can while the UNSC and Created duke it out. But the whole "humans must all die" thing feels like 343 is just reducing them to ANOTHER Covenant remnant no different than the others, only red this time.
humble yacht
yep
grave swift
Obviously, context will be key. But is this done to make them more understandable to the wider audience who didnt play HW2? Make them more familair yet strip them of what they are?
humble yacht
my worry is that they'll gloss over the Created to give a story that rehashes CE in terms of an alien threat trying to stamp out humanity
clever fable
If it's true they want a simpler plot this go around, then this introduction for the Banished worries me quite a bit.
grave swift
It's strange. I've seen people justify doing that or something like that by saying "The Created weren't liked, so we should move past them." Which is funny because you could make the same argument about Halo 4 and low and behold those same people were confused why 5 didn't continue 4's plot points.
fair hazel
Echoing sentiments
humble yacht
if they throw away plotlines so easily then I worry about their ability to tell a consistent story
do it once, it's a mistake. twice, it's a trend
i don't think i can stick with a franchise that would be that flippant with its narrative
grave swift
That's kinda been 343's deal though.
humble yacht
i only see the example from H4 to H5
fair hazel
Escalation p
grave swift
But look how much just that transition jettisoned.
clever fable
My expectation is that the Created will be relegated to the role of an overarching background bad guy. Something the UNSC cannot attack head on, but will always have to mindful of. In that way, they aren't discarded in the most literal sense, but it means they won't be particularly huge focus for individual characters.
humble yacht
that's not the story i personally want to see
clever fable
Not sure that I like it either, but it's what I'm guessing will happen for better or worse.
grave swift
So long as this doesn't end with Chief and Cortana being reunited as buddies, as so many seem to want, I think I can deal with it.
clever fable
They copped criticisms for ditching 4's plot lines, as well as criticism for the core themes of 5. This would allow them to continue on with the best (and worst) of both worlds.
humble yacht
at what cost?
grave swift
Only criticism I've seen is them saying they had too much lore and that seriously missed the mark as to what the real problems were.
clever fable
60 dollars from my wallet
humble yacht
like i said, for me, if they just throw away plotlines again and again then i can't stick with the franchise
clever fable
I share the sentiment.
humble yacht
so i can only hope that this banished mania is but a small aspect of the game
grave swift
No, I agree. I mean, when any plot point could just vanish, what is there to be engaged with?
fair hazel
I just noticed something.
The halo logo. I’m staring sorta at my halo thing on the wall. And the O thay forms@the logo
It’s kind of like a broken halo ring
main siren
I think some people here are jumping to conclusions over 1 minute audio clip
For me, the good thing about Banished being featured in Halo Infinite is the fact we might high quality 3D work from 3D artists
grave swift
I'd love nothing more than have simply jumped to conclusions. Though I know plenty would love nothing more than the Banished to be the main foe and the Created to die off-screen.
main siren
Personally, I feel like they didn't give us enough reason to invest into the Created conflict.
Either way, I'm not seeing them removing the Created like some people believe they do
stoic hamlet
It still should have been Keepers
grave swift
Chalk it up to another aborted narrative by 343 then.
stoic hamlet
Banished just aren’t appealing to me, and the Keepers fit way better considering everything.
main siren
Well, that's your opinion and everything.
fair hazel
I wanted the keepers too
main siren
I feel like some of you are a bit unreasonable over the Banished.
I'm willing to give them a try, more or less 🤷
shy cedar
grave swift
I don't hate the Banished and I can formulate reasons for their inclusion. To me, I'm more worried about the Created just being tossed away because 343 just loves doing that to characters and stories. They say 4 and 5 had too much lore (dubious) and get throngs of fans cheering that when apparently the lesson of "Quit getting rid of stuff and finish a story" has yet to latch on.
humble yacht
i mean, i could say the same to plenty of people about the Prometheans
but people are quick to say they should be removed from the franchise and that feedback gets thunderous applause
grave swift
Honestly, if 343 wants to impress me, finish a story first. Didn't do that for 4. Doubt that's happening with 5. Just finish something.
humble yacht
because they gotta evoke feelings of CE
gilded mason
😩
grave swift
Hawaiin Punch Covenant
fair hazel
Finish the fight (story)
craggy sierra
Like...why.
Because omg u guyz teh alienz ar teh main b4d guyz again and 343 finily mead a gud Halo hust jow I wamted
That physically hurt me to type
versed helm
Ok
craggy sierra
Like I really hope the banished are there primarily to serve as a justification for an alien enemy roster.
stoic hamlet
But we could have had Keepers for that D:
craggy sierra
As mis-handled as it was I'd rather see some conclusion to H5's story instead of just a bunch of monkies pissed at humans and trying to end all life or something for it.
gilded mason
i cri
humble yacht
honestly i hope that further reveals don't touch on the narrative
craggy sierra
Even then I think there could've been more diogetic ways to justify an enemy roster under Cortana
humble yacht
i wanted to go in with as little expectation as possible but this has marred my stance
gilded mason
I see so many people extremely hyped about this, and I just don't really get it.
terse lava
Yea
stoic hamlet
^^^^
gilded mason
lol
humble yacht
what if next week there is a "Signal detected. Designation: friend", and it's cortana asking humanity to bow to her and she'll save them from the banished?
stoic hamlet
I’d be a very unpolite Canadian.
craggy sierra
I already am
terse lava
Eh I am keeping my expectations bottom of the barrel low for infinite
queen otter
I’m trying to
terse lava
Smart
last anchor
I'll take whatever they give me and be happy with it, I have a lot more important things to get worked up over than a video game.
Honestly? Just having a new ones good enough for me
humble yacht
i'll play it but i can't say I'll be happy with anything
certainly wasn't the case for H5
i wouldn't be too worked up over Infinite not being good, though. I have plenty of other games to turn to than halo
terse lava
Same, if Infinite somehow flops I wont be too saddened
humble yacht
i doubt it'll flop one way or the other
but on the off chance I don't like it, I won't cry
i'll just move on
maybe leave a bad review
terse lava
Yea, didnt mean literally flop, but in my eyes "flop"
fallen portal
Reading through some of the stuff since the announcement I can see a lot of worry for dropping plot lines. But I think the created are still going to be a big point. They have been searching for a way to stop the Created since the end of Halo 5. It was slightly talked about in the book "Bad Blood" how they have been searching for a way to stop the created or fight back. My guess is that the Banished, Created, and the "Resistance" are all going to fight for this solution in Infinite.
terse lava
For example, halo 4 had an overall ok story, but multiplayer wise it flopped for me. No sangheili, the more cod-like gameplay, the mp being just training sims. The unappealing armor
carmine sleet
Multiplayer being a training sim wasn't a turn off for me. It's a cool detail that doesn't mean all that much
humble yacht
i mean, the alternative to the mp being training sims is it being non canon and therefore of no consequence
terse lava
Fair enough, for me I liked the idea of mp being what one wanted it to be. Training sim, deployments on worlds
humble yacht
because canonically it wouldn't make sense for spartans to actually be killing each other
terse lava
Well no one complained pre halo 4 about it
humble yacht
also too many spartans to be canon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
just do some mental gynmastics to tell yourself it's not a training sim, then
carmine sleet
Honestly, I find it to be such a weird detail that some people complain about. Like, it doesn't change anything about how multiplayer is played. Nor does it change the story of the games themselves
terse lava
Eh my head canon is 4 and 5 are on the infinity. Everything else happened as physical deploymemts
humble yacht
even if they were physical deployments, they'd still be training or fake
terse lava
Truthfully I can live with training sim mp. The main reason I hate it is that it what claimed to be a reason the sangheili were not in mp. Childish perhaps but I simply not like Spartans that much
humble yacht
unless your headcanon made red team Innies and blue team UNSC or something
uh
i don't think 343 ever said that about the sangheili in mp
i think you took a rumor to heart
carmine sleet
Pretty sure the only reason Elites weren't in Halo 4 and 5's multiplayer as playable races was because of balancing reasons
terse lava
Yes in reality, and yes it could have been a rumor that the training sims were used as a in universe excuse.for the lack of them
carmine sleet
It was a rumour
terse lava
Very well
humble yacht
tell me again how you felt about CE?
terse lava
I enjoyed it, was an en ok table campaign. If you are curious what I thought of mp, I didnt play any CE mp until I think after halo 3 was released.
terse lava
Mhm, while CE was fun, it was halo 2 that truly got me into halo and then lore properly.
I guess the meat of the issue I have is this. We were given the choice of what we wanted to play as and then years later had it taken away
gilded mason
Yes. It wouldn't be as big an issue if we didn't have it in the first place for so long
terse lava
At least bungie still allowed sangheili in invasion, a slayer gametype, and customs. We didnt even get customs in 4&5
versed helm
Just to clarify, "Elite" is a military rank, right?
carmine sleet
Elite is the name that was given to the Sangheili as an identifier to be used by UNSC forces since they had no clue what their actual species name was at the start of the war
versed helm
You can't use that term for Sangheili civilians though, right?
carmine sleet
Well, you could
humble yacht
sure
versed helm
You can? I thought you had to refer to them by their race? I guess it's just a colloquial term then.
obsidian thistle
Elite is such a weird term. xD (And I mean that as in thats what they are also called in Sangheili lol)
More if I recall its what the warriors are called to the Prophets.
terse lava
I did always find that wierd in broken circle. I figured it was there purely for any readers not aware of the actual names
stoic hamlet
That’s my assumption
obsidian thistle
Well some could theoretically say the word "Elite" in Sangheili is not the same as "Elite" in the Human tongue.
So while its a fun coincidence.
Its one that is easy to explain away
versed helm
It's just a colloquial term?
Anyone got a text timeline that bridges Fall of Reach and the game? I know there's a YT video, but I'm looking for a document to look at.
You haven't looked elsewhere?
I've been googling for the past 20 min
Found something
Let me check
Have you tried looking in Halopedia?
Yeah, that's where I ended up.
Ah, well I'm glad you found what you sought after.
It's not exactly what I was looking for, but maybe it will help 🤔 😛
So...did Halsey know about the Covenant invasion in July 2552?
versed helm
I meant of Reach, sir.
craggy sierra
At which point? Cause the first time you meet her in-game she’s literally in the back room of a building under siege.
That’s had a massive hole blown in the side
terse lava
She was made aware of it when the covenant arrived.
versed helm
Hrm
It's just weird, reading Fall of Reach, the Master Chief was on the planet, and everyone acts like everything is fine.
craggy sierra
Kinda how everyone acts in the game tbh
Sorry I only listen to lore podcasts of the Super Mario Brothers cartoon from 1989. Also #471727324895641651
humble yacht
Yes, please use #471727324895641651 as waffle said for sharing your podcast vids
Oh, you did already. Awesome
terse lava
Well ONI apparently hid most of the events right up too Thel's fleet arriving. Though it seems Keys was able to see the flash of the bomb taking out Long Night. He had no clue what was going on yet till a bit later where he had to keep it secret
hardy light
Are there any sources that show the ONI cover up? That's what I've been craving since I read the book
full forge
Banished. They sure have been going after those rings lately, haven't they?
humble yacht
So his motivations for going to the ark are explained in the coloring book?
Awesome storytelling
full forge
forgive me, for i have not purchased the atriox coloring book
queen otter
I’ll try to
past olive
Pff that's dumb
terse lava
I can now only see Atriox coloring out of stress from loosing to cutter
feral perch
WHAT
Bruh they told us what his actual goal was in a flippin’ COLORING BOOK?! CIA, I was completely unaware of this. Here I was, thinking the writers hadn’t decided what Atriox actually wanted.
gilded mason
@obsidian thistle
You know the exact quote about it?
obsidian thistle
It wasnt revealed in a coloring book. Its just the most blunt about it xD
feral perch
Then where was it revealed??
full forge
bababooey
i think it was revealed when he went to the ark and tried to steal a halo ring
🤔
feral perch
Not really.
obsidian thistle
He really wanted that Halo ring.
feral perch
He just tried to take advantage of the situation. There’s nothing saying that he went to the Ark specifically to get a Halo. Obviously he would try to keep the ring away from humans.
obsidian thistle
It wasnt as blunt there. But it was clear in his actions and bartering he tried to do.
terse lava
The way I see it he wanted the ark for the resources, and if he got a ring, that's a bonus
obsidian thistle
Regardless it was said outright in the coloring book. So no need to work it out. (Though working it out is more fun)
feral perch
Agreed, Ado
gilded mason
Got the coloring book quote on-hand?
feral perch
working it out is not more fun
obsidian thistle
Gimme a mo. I am sorting out a HW2 source
feral perch
it’s only more fun if there’s an explicit goal AND THEN a hidden one
terse lava
It is if its covenant related 🙂
terse lava
To br fair the covenant wernt aware they were lying about the journey
obsidian thistle
It is covie related. Its preserving a source and its verification so no one questions it in the future. 😉
terse lava
👍
obsidian thistle
But yea
"The warlord known as Atriox is the leader of a multi-species faction known as the Banished. His current goal is to secure the Ark and unlock its power to build Halo rings."
terse lava
Rings..plural. makes sense I gueas
obsidian thistle
Totes explains why he was so mad the humans did it first.
past olive
I guess, galaxy ending superweapons to threaten everyone into submission
Which means the only person not at risk is Cortana
And her forces
The created would be immune
terse lava
You know I wonder. Could the ark be forced to craft a ring if the array is ok
queen otter
Idk interesting topic though.
I bet there’s some way to activate it without any of the rings getting destroyed.
terse lava
Well one would think it would make a new one for delta seeing as it got glassed
past olive
Delta got glassed?
I only just finished H2 completely recently but nothing happened to Delta so I was wondering what happened
past olive
Mhm
Also there's a question that I've had about something that doesn't make sense to me
Installation 07 was made in the greater ark and is thus 3 times larger than the other Halo's, or so I thought but I've been told it's no longer that large
How does a Halo ring just shrink?
gilded mason
Yeah, it got very damaged
terse lava
And stripped pieces of itself to save the rest
gilded mason
Ye
past olive
These Halo rings are weird
terse lava
Think on this, it went from 30k km to 10k km, and maintained a perfect circle
past olive
It was also the biggest flood containment facility but have all the flood on the ring been eradicated?
terse lava
They apparently were not idk anymore
full forge
yapyap 100% antagonist of infinite
flood is replaced with unarmed grunts running at you to beat you to death
craggy sierra
It would be an improvement over normal flood
humble yacht
i'm disappointed that not only was Atriox's motive revealed in a coloring book of all things, but that it's as simple and overplayed as wanting a halo ring
agile lotus
’scuse me?
craggy sierra
Get out your crayons boys and girls we’re learning Halo lore
last anchor
Oh right the much flaunted coloring book
versed helm
The UNSC was a branch of the UN.
humble yacht
Is* a branch of the UEG
sacred dew
Innie scum yes
craggy sierra
Tbh the UNSC comes across as the far more scummy faction a lot of the time
Y’all don’t want permanent martial law? Well too bad.
terse lava
Covenantdidnothingwrong
last anchor
The Covenant were a convinent excuse for the UNSC to do all that they wanted to, more or less.
Nothing forces everyone to follow you like the threat of literally being incinerated while your world is made glass
"Bet you were wishin' you'd payed your taxes to us now, huh!"
-Probably the UNSC at some point
carmine sleet
He's human and still needs to do basic things like eating, sleeping, using the toilet. It'd not make sense if they somehow removed the need for going to the loo
versed helm
Doesn't the armour accommodate that though?
carmine sleet
It does but that's because you can't easily take it off and go to the toilet in the armour
versed helm
Spartans don't need to sleep much, if I can recall correctly.
carmine sleet
They do still need to sleep though
Like, even with the small amount I get, I still need to sleep
versed helm
Of course.
past olive
Does master chief ever need the toilet?
the Mjolnir armour system has these facilities inbuilt
torn comet
I thought the main enemy will be Promethean and the AI
versed helm
I don't think 343i explicitly said who will be the main enemy in Infinite. This was just a teaser for the game.
carmine sleet
Aye, that's something I've seen a whole bunch of people jumping to the conclusion of. Like sure, they're in the game and are going to be in it in a major role, but I don't see them being the main antagonist when there's the Created storyline to wrap up
past olive
I see them being the main replacement for the covenant
carmine sleet
Aye, that's basically what they'll be
past olive
since many of the covenant remnants were eradicated
ultimately there'll still be Cortana and her Prometheans
so the way I see it, they may be a main enemy, but not the main enemy
ultimately depends on where the story goes though
carmine sleet
I wouldn't say that many of the remnants were eradicated, the main one that we've seen in the games was Jul's, that's now gone and the next one to be the "Covenant" enemies is the Banished
versed helm
I just don't want to jump to conclusions over one trailer, I'm going to wait.
carmine sleet
But I have no doubt that the Prometheans will be in the game, it'd make no sense for them to suddenly disappear after Halo 5. I can see them being reworked gameplay-wise for sure though
past olive
I also would like to fight the flood again, not necessarily in the campaign though, I could see them as an enemy type for firefight
if it was in the campaign it'd be just like one level and it'd be like awakening the nightmare, just fanservice that doesn't open up into anything larger
since, I'm now more leaning to the side of the flood's story being finished and everything
maybe chief gets locked in the library and it's a callback to CE or something
and he gets out and closes it before the flood can follow
carmine sleet
Aye, I don't want the Flood to return in Infinite but if they have to, they can't become the big bad of the story or do anything major in the story. If they were in a Firefight mode as one of the possible enemies that could appear, that'd be fine but I don't want it to be a Flood Firefight since it'd get stale very quickly
and he gets out and closes it before the flood can follow
If his helmet falls off as he slides through the door and he's forced to reach in and grab it, that'd be great
past olive
XD
versed helm
I feel like the one of the rare players who doesn't like fighting the Flood. It gets too repetitive for me.
past olive
the flood can be boring sure, but in my CE and 2 legendary playthroughs they were a godsend
so much easier for me to deal with them than the covenant
I find that's an unpopular opinion
but idk, I just have an easier time with flood than covenant
versed helm
It's the truth though, but that's why I dislike them, Broodles. I don't feel challenged when fighting them.
past olive
they're so easy to predict and I mean provided I have a shotgun (which I usually do) they're pretty easy to deal with
carmine sleet
I feel like the one of the rare players who doesn't like fighting the Flood. It gets too repetitive for me.
Oh, agreed. There's nothing all that interesting about Flood encounters once you reach the fifth or sixth one. Just constant rushing
versed helm
Like, I feel my brain just deactivate every time I fight them. It's just not fun for me, you have to use the same strategy, over and over again.
past olive
in H2 you basically have to do that anyway
versed helm
I don't really understand why people like their lore either, they're stupidly overpowered and I find that boring.
past olive
I mean I love overpowered characters and beings
versed helm
I like more grounded approaches to characters and entities.
past olive
I mean yeah boring cause what's the point but I dunno I just have this power lust fantasy thing
I love overpowered things
versed helm
That's fine, it just gets boring for me. I can tolerate it to an extent, but not if it's excessive.
versed helm
Pretty much, if you don't have a shotgun or AR then you're in for a rough experience.
versed helm
Don't get me started on the SPNKr Flood in Quarantine Zone.
versed helm
I don't blame you.
versed helm
I don't have any expectations for Infinite, I don't want to hype myself up for no reason.
raw smelt
True
carmine sleet
My guess is that the Elites of the Banished will be mostly like Elites of previous games in how they fight, Grunts will likely also be similar to their earlier incarnations, as will the Jackals
carmine sleet
The only ones I can see acting differently to their Covenant counterparts are the Brutes of the Banished. I doubt they'll go with something like Halo 2's or Reach's, since they weren't all that interesting to fight. And I doubt they'll go with a repeat of Halo 3's either
raw smelt
Ye
carmine sleet
Like, my guess is that they'll likely bring back the Brute pack concept from Halo 3, but they'll refine it. Maybe make it so you see them properly working in a team
versed helm
I'm curious to see what kind of vehicles we will see, hopefully some of the ones in HW2. I would love to see an Ironclad Wraith and Armoured Warthog.
carmine sleet
If we get the Locust as a vehicle, I'd be very happy
versed helm
That would be pretty awesome, just as long as it specialises in destroying vehicles though.
What species attacked Crecka in the System of Miasmic Giants?
Have you tried using Halopedia?
I did that but it still makes me wonder
Did it not provide enough information for you?
carmine sleet
It's likely one of those things that just hasn't been elaborated upon, similar to the mysterious ship that landed on Installation 04 in the terminals
versed helm
I just assumed it was a race from a very far region of the galaxy.
versed helm
When did the Covenant start to understand human languages?
stiff creek
Since before they even met, apparently.
humble yacht
What makes you say that?
versed helm
Is that so, Snooga?
stiff creek
I think I remember in the Fall of Reach movie, the Prophet that broadcasted over the screen of the frigate they were in mentioned it.
carmine sleet
That message was made after first contact
versed helm
Uh, wouldn't that have been translated?
humble yacht
The covenant met humanity far before the fall of reach
The covenant and humanity had been at war for 20 years by that point
humble yacht
Still
versed helm
Right, but that happens after Contact Harvest.
humble yacht
That story picks up after the covenant and UNSC had been fighting for years
versed helm
Yes, Contact Harvest covers the first official encounter between humanity and the Covenant.
stiff creek
I said the movie
humble yacht
The movie and the book cover the same events
stiff creek
The one that Sam is in.
versed helm
Which is set in the same time period as Halo Reach and the book.
humble yacht
The movie is just an adaptation of part of the book
stiff creek
Wh..
humble yacht
You didn’t wonder why both were called Fall of Reach?
versed helm
So, as I was saying... did the Covenant understand languages like English before Reach's collapse?
stiff creek
yes
humble yacht
Yes
versed helm
Right, thank you.
humble yacht
They had 20+ years to learn the language
terse lava
The covenant first learned human languages shortly before truth, mercy, and regret became hierarchs. The hierarch, Restraint, gave an edict of 500 teams of sangheili and unggoy to learn the human languages
craggy sierra
Also I think the universe just gives everyone translators and calls it a day or something
versed helm
Did they know about the humans before their first contact?
humble yacht
No
versed helm
Ah.
humble yacht
They were surprised to find them on harvest
Also the luminary falsely flagged them as forerunner artifacts
versed helm
I remember that, so when did the three main Prophets come into power?
humble yacht
Shortly after contact harvest
terse lava
Shortly after first contact
versed helm
Ah, thanks again.
Was there a definitive point in the war's history where they learned human languages?
terse lava
At the start
versed helm
When did humanity start to learn the Covenant's languages? Since Chief does not understand what Regret is saying on I05 without the help of Cortana.
terse lava
We have the hierarch Restraint giving an edict to learn it. We also have Fleermaster Nizat just months into the war telling hisnfleet to learn it
versed helm
Wait, wouldn't developing translators require an understanding of the languages though?
humble yacht
Not on the human’s part
We could just have smart AI learn for us
When you put it like that, no wonder some rebelled
versed helm
Well, they certainly weren't wrong, look at the state of the universe as of H5.
terse lava
Wonder how many even remained loyal
humble yacht
At least Roland
versed helm
Isabel too, right?
light kiln
humble yacht
Black box we don’t know if he would join
He didn’t exactly have the best impression of humans, and by 2558 he was approaching the end of his life span
The only reason we don’t know his choice is because Serin kept him locked up
versed helm
I've never heard of Black Box before.
humble yacht
He’s from the books
versed helm
The recent ones?
humble yacht
First appeared in the Kilo 5 trilogy
versed helm
I haven't read those, heard they were pretty awful but was never too interested anyway.
They aren't tho
unique rune
I wouldn’t say they’re *awful, but they’re definitely full of choices that range from... questionable to “did the auther even do any re-“
oh wait that’s Traviss’s thing isn’t it
candid drum
I'd say Ghosts of Onyx and The Flood are the best. But then again, I'm an Eric Nyuland fan
humble yacht
Nylund didn’t write The Flood
candid drum
Ah f
I always get confused between these two
Fall of Reach*
Btw, any of y'all think the Eternity make an appearance in Infinite?
terse lava
Infinity would have to die first
candid drum
Many are already speculating about that, wouldn't surprise me if it happened.
lethal comet
What is Eternity
queen otter
A UNSC ship
lethal comet
Where is it mentioned?
carmine sleet
The unfinished sister ship of the Infinity, unlikely we'll see them ever finish it
queen otter
Where is it mentioned?
I remember a book called Halo Warfleet and it goes over Halo spacecraft. Pretty sure it was mentioned in there.
terse lava
I recall some of it was recycled for parts for infinity but who knows
candid drum
Just imagine if Humanity had it ready at the time of Fall of Reach.
terse lava
Yes it was mentioned in warfleet too
Hm? It wouldn't have changed anything
Reach was doomed
versed helm
Thanks to the Covenant.
terse lava
And ONI who used the planet as bait to get a covenant ship
lethal comet
Wasn't infinity class the fallback plan if Earth fell?
humble yacht
Yes
versed helm
And ONI who used the planet as bait to get a covenant ship
Now when was this established?
terse lava
The ship itself was originally to be a glorified lifeboat
In the data drops if I recall correctly
versed helm
Sounds like propaganda to me.
terse lava
If I recall, ONI kept the planet in the dark about the events of the Reach game up until the Long night was destroyed
versed helm
Yeah, you can't really hide the destruction of a ship like that.
terse lava
They did
versed helm
You just said that they didn't.
terse lava
I say "until the long night" was because of the arrival of the larger covenant fleet
versed helm
Oh, I see.
terse lava
But yes having Infinity at reach would have changed almost nothing. Maybe another 1 or 2 covenant ships destroyed but that's it
carmine sleet
Covie's would've likely just swarmed Infinity if it was at the battle
versed helm
How many ships were in that fleet?
terse lava
At least 350
versed helm
Wow, they certainly sent enough.
terse lava
The were made aware of Reach's defenses when a spy probe stuck on Keyes' ship after his last battle
Far as I am aware that was never retconned
versed helm
Wouldn't that make it a result of several factors? You said that ONI tried to bait them out too.
carmine sleet
The first fleet that arrived at Reach didn't find Reach because of the probe
versed helm
Is there a specific reason?
stoic hamlet
There were three fleets.
The first fleet with the Long Night weren’t quite aware of the significance.
The second fleet were but weren’t really focused on Reach itself, but all over the system, IIRC
And then the third, commanded by Thel arrived during the final days.
candid drum
Hold up, are you saying the people of Reach didn't know any thing about the covvie presence until the LNOS was destroyed?
If I recall, ONI kept the planet in the dark about the events of the Reach game up until the Long night was destroyed
@terse lava
versed helm
Like the farmers in Nightfall.
stoic hamlet
It’s pretty common for that to occur in the lore now
versed helm
"Farmers."
candid drum
Well, I'd say the the UNSC was aware.
humble yacht
But then when the LNOS was decloaked, it’s hard to hide from the general public
terse lava
The farmers were attacked by the covenant so that makes sense
candid drum
But werem't people evacuated?
humble yacht
Evacuations didn’t start until the second fleet arrived
stoic hamlet
Meridian, Circincus IV, Biko all come to mind of planets the covenant fought a secret war on or around without the general public’s knowledge, initially.
candid drum
Arbiter's fleet, you mean?
But Chimera is right it wasn't until the 2nd fleet came
@terse lava
terse lava
His fleet didnt arrive until later
But he ended up in overall command of the entire force
humble yacht
The fleet that arrives after the super carrier dies in the game was not thel’s fleet
Though I think it should have been
Would have connected the narratives
terse lava
Cant really do it seeing as this was still weeks before the fall
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
terse lava
Besides
Do you really want thel, someone who is sold as a master tactician, to be bogged down for weeks?
humble yacht
Sure
stoic hamlet
I mean
Idk that I’d consider him a master tactician.
He was unorthodox compared to his peers
candid drum
Well, he was one of their most "treasured instruments"
stoic hamlet
But I don’t think we have enough to know whether he was actually a master at fleet combat.
That doesn’t speak to tactical ability though.
Just that he was super good at genocide.
Which wouldn’t really be hard, considering the tech advantage.
candid drum
His unorthodox methods were the reason he got targeted by ONI
Locke, to be specific.
candid drum
He used tactics no one else in the Covenant used, so I'd say he was a good one
stoic hamlet
The Covenant tactic was “drown them in bodies”
It’s their staple
Not really hard to do something different considering that.
candid drum
ww2 russian tactics in space, you say?
I think The Flood mentioned how the Covenant would follow the same boarding rules and combat techniques everywhere
The book, I mean
terse lava
Truth be told with the Covenant never going full out in the war, and only 1-3 ministries actually doing the fighting. Their tactics would be far more different
candid drum
When did all of the covenant become fully involved then? After the death of Regret?
terse lava
No, the entirety of the Covenant never got involved
They had other things to do besides fight some small alien civilization
Came back to bite them sure
candid drum
Wasn't a ton of ships just get evaporated because of some grunt and an engineer?
Not even at Truth's invasion of Earth?
And the battle of the Ark?
terse lava
Yea, that was imperial admiral Xytan Jar 'Wattinree's fleet. 200 ships or so and most were consumed.in the NOVA blast.
Truth's invasion only had a few loyalist ships, of which by the battle of the ark was down to 30
humble yacht
Before the covenant fell? Not much. They scavenged here and there, causing trouble for the covies with superior tactics
After the covenant fell, they took a lot of the leftover stuff
candid drum
It really is a wonder how the UNSC even won.
versed helm
Well it was because of the arrogance and delusions of the Covenant.
It didn't help that they removed one of their most important members of its military too.
candid drum
The Great Schism was the reason, I'll say.
versed helm
Pretty much, the Elites did carry the UNSC, like a lot.
gilded mason
^
candid drum
That, and the loss of High Charity. A blow to morale
versed helm
I wouldn't really say that, if anyone's morale was to be lowered, it would be the humans and Elites.
candid drum
If you, a member of an highly advanced theocratic empire lose your capital city and the second most holiest place in the galaxy, it would be a blow.
terse lava
Mhm
candid drum
Human's morale was actually boosted by the schism, I'll guess.
terse lava
Eh wouldn't say that until after the war ended.
versed helm
Well, there weren't any civilians left to be saddened, and the Brutes seemed pretty complacent with their new role. The rest probably didn't really care too much.
Human's morale was actually boosted by the schism, I'll guess.
Not true at all, Earth was pretty much brought to its knees near the end.
candid drum
Not true at all, Earth was pretty much brought to its knees near the end.
@versed helm That's true, but it was a moment of hope for the UNSC.
versed helm
I'm unsure about that, maybe for the military yes, not for humanity as a whole though.
terse lava
Humanity wouldn't not really be aware of it
Just that the sangheili leave them alone now
versed helm
There are voice lines of Marines being relieved by Sangheili support, I bet at first they were fearful of what would transpire after the Schism though. Like, what if they had to fight the Covenant, Flood AND Elites? A scary thought to be sure.
candid drum
I really hope Infinite brings back this classic military sci fi feel to Halo. Its what I love about the franchise.
versed helm
Well, it seems that the old art style will return, I'm just not too optimistic about it though.
inner basin
Never get your hopes up. That’s what I learnt about this industry as a whole
candid drum
Never get your hopes up. That’s what I learnt about this industry as a whole
@inner basin lamo
terse lava
Yea
candid drum
lmao*
versed helm
A bit nihilistic but I don't want to hype myself up.
candid drum
Well, it seems that the old art style will return, I'm just not too optimistic about it though.
@versed helm I actually like many of 343's design changes, but some of it was just too drastic, like how the Elites became discount Brutes.
terse lava
More realistic then nihilistic
candid drum
Also, art style shouldn't be the begin all-end all.
versed helm
Come on, "not getting your hopes up"? Sounds nihilistic if you ask me, I still have that mindset though.
terse lava
I have not had my Hope's up since halo 4. Trival reasons perhaps but eh
versed helm
I can relate to that, I didn't mind HW2 though.
terse lava
HW2 was good
feral perch
Oh gosh. The Elites in 4/5 are nothing like Brutes.
terse lava
Visually they are not appealing
versed helm
It's a matter of opinion, I can see why he thinks that but I disagree.
limpid meadow
Oh gosh. The Elites in 4/5 are nothing like Brutes.
@feral perch Thank you!
candid drum
Oh gosh. The Elites in 4/5 are nothing like Brutes.
@feral perch They talk, act and look more "Brutish" than Elites.
specially in H5
gilded mason
Cutscenes, at least. There's a weird disconnect in the way they move between that and in gameplay.
versed helm
Well, they are bulkier and their mannerisms are not very low profile.
limpid meadow
They talk, act and look more "Brutish" than Elites.
@candid drum They really don't
candid drum
Cutscenes, at least. There's a weird disconnect in the way they move between that and in gameplay.
@gilded mason That's the thing. Gameplay wise they act quite similar.
limpid meadow
Everything in cutscenes moves a little odd.
feral perch
Some have had extremely deep pitched voices since Halo 2; they don’t look anything like Brutes; their movements are definitely more agile than Brutes. In-game anyway.
carmine sleet
Is the whole "H4/5 Elites are just Brutes" argument happening again?
versed helm
Yup.
humble yacht
Yep
candid drum
@candid drum They really don't
@limpid meadow The cutscene when Osiris kills off all the elites at the start of H5. Jul'Mdama's assassination.
versed helm
Did you just base your opinions off of HiddenXperia's video?
limpid meadow
Yeah, I don't see. Especially not in the opening.
feral perch
Those were probably Elite minors dressed up as Zealots to bolster Jul’s entourage
candid drum
Did you just base your opinions off of HiddenXperia's video?
@versed helm Not really.
versed helm
Alright.
candid drum
Those were probably Elite minors dressed up as Zealots to bolster Jul’s entourage
@feral perch This is my headcannon now
gilded mason
Now that's just a disservice to Jul.
limpid meadow
In the Blue Team opening they're slow and move really weird, but that's an issue with the cutscenes in general
candid drum
In the Blue Team opening they're slow and move really weird, but that's an issue with the cutscenes in general
@limpid meadow "Throw the Unngoy out the airlock" cracks me up tho
limpid meadow
In-game, the Elites move like they always have
feral perch
Jul is dead so I can do him all the disservices I like
gilded mason
wude
versed helm
They are pretty agile in Halo 5, I still dislike their approach with them though.
humble yacht
He wasn’t exactly a paragon of integrity in life
candid drum
Jul is dead so I can do him all the disservices I like
@feral perch Someone's salty about Fireteam Majestic
limpid meadow
Osiris should have been Majestic
candid drum
Osiris should have been Majestic
@limpid meadow Agreed.
feral perch
Buck didn’t even feel like Buck in Halo 5 tbh
limpid meadow
I think Osiris is interesting enough, but with Majestic there was plenty of setup already from Spartan Ops
candid drum
Buck didn’t even feel like Buck in Halo 5 tbh
@feral perch His dialogue was the one of the only things I liked about H5.
But yeah.
feral perch
It was way too joke-y imo
queen otter
Wasn’t there plans to transfer Thorne from Majestic to Osiris. Instead of having Buck.
gilded mason
Yeah, Buck felt off to me.
feral perch
Also that really dumb line “As far as I’m concerned, these dead Elites are our brothers”
versed helm
Buck was the only character I liked from FO, he was an underdog though. That really pissed me off.
candid drum
Wasn’t there plans to transfer Thorne from Majestic to Osiris. Instead of having Buck.
@queen otter Replace Locke/Tanaka with him
limpid meadow
Buck in Halo 5 is basically just Nathan Fillion rather than the Buck from ODST
feral perch
Exactly
limpid meadow
But years have gone by and things have changed.
candid drum
"You ask, you buy"
limpid meadow
The Buck you see in Halo 5 is there in ODST, just more subdued due to the tone of that game and setting
gilded mason
To be honest, I was okay with that. People can expand their perspectives and he realized that the SoS are a force of goodwill in the galaxy.
versed helm
That's why I want to see more of the SoS.
gilded mason
Indeed
candid drum
Cheers to that.
fair hazel
I don’t see how that line is dumb.
And I like buck in 5
And I like the people in Osiris
feral perch
If Buck were an idealist who only ever fought Brutes ever then maybe. But he seemed too burned by the war to realistically have that attitude.
Six years is not long enough.
fair hazel
Then maybe you don’t know buck.
limpid meadow
I like Osiris too, but there's all this setup for Thorne to have this interesting storyline and character arc in Spartan Ops that never comes to fruition
feral perch
Oh I know Buck
candid drum
Tanaka, Locke and Kelly could might as well not be in the game.
gilded mason
Eh, Locke just feels bland to me.
carmine sleet
Never disrespect Kelly
fair hazel
Linda may be the best but hey! Kelly great! Tanaka is more subduded but I like her a lot
candid drum
I would have loved to see the two perspectives as Headhunters though
gilded mason
kelly..is stinky
feral perch
no u
fair hazel
And honestly Locke has interesting perspectives. If he was in real life he’s be interesting to talk to
gilded mason
People call her Smelly Kelly
feral perch
People call you... annoying
fair hazel
Sucks that you have to do a drawn out waiting process to get the hidden dialogues that flesh out people more
feral perch
Yeah I’m not trying very hard
versed helm
That quote from Brohammer in Infinite, "We lost Chief..." Makes me think that humanity needs help. I don't want to get my hopes up but I immediately think of Thel and Rtas.
gilded mason
It would be nice
candid drum
R'Tas needs a comeback like a real Chad.
feral perch
I’m still holding out hope that Xytan is alive and scheming somewhere
versed helm
I learnt the hard way that "Rtas" does not need an apostrophe.
fair hazel
Rtas ‘Vadum
candid drum
I’m still holding out hope that Xytan is alive and scheming somewhere
@feral perch Kwassass got hm bro
him*
terse lava
Xytan was confirmed atomized by the NOVA
feral perch
not confirmed
versed helm
God, I hope he's been atomised.
feral perch
noooo
gilded mason
Now he has a new name, to strike fear into the hearts of his enemies: Admiral Atom!
versed helm
Yes please.
noooo
candid drum
Yes please.
@versed helm wasn't he like 8 foot tall
versed helm
I don't want another imposing Elite to be side-lined like that again.
carmine sleet
He wore heels
versed helm
He's like 11 feet and 6 inches tall, lmao.
candid drum
He wore heels
@carmine sleet Also, Brutes don't wear shoes. No wonder it gets confusing
versed helm
Xytan was an Elite.
candid drum
I know.
versed helm
My bad.
carmine sleet
I was talking about Xytan, Alan
terse lava
Well at least we still have Nizat and Tam
gilded mason
...Hopefully.
versed helm
Who even is Nizat? I've never heard of him before.
gilded mason
A fleetmaster from Silent Storm and Oblivion, along with his steward, Tam.
He's a pretty neat guy
feral perch
Nizat tripped on a rock and died just before executing his escape plans
gilded mason
wude
candid drum
I was talking about Xytan, Alan
@carmine sleet Yes I know.
terse lava
But he already is alive
versed helm
Another one bites the dust.
carmine sleet
Didn't need to tag me
feral perch
Tam opened a donut shop on Netherop. Nobody knows where he gets the ingredients.
terse lava
....I can get behind that
gilded mason
Tam's Pastries and Confectionery Rings
candid drum
Tam's Pastries and Confectionery Rings
@gilded mason I read that as Parasite.
terse lava
holy rings
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
That's what they are though.
feral perch
Nishum
terse lava
"In a moment I shall fry the rings. And all who are hungry, shall be satisfied"
gilded mason
👌
terse lava
In this regard, the flood are bad yeast
versed helm
Deep fried universe.
terse lava
I can now only see portly san shyuum
humble yacht
You think blamite tastes like pop rocks?
candid drum
Way too deep lore for me, sir.
versed helm
The fact that you know its flavour concerns me.
spiral jewel
As silly as this sounds, are UNSC Promethean knights (Knights who managed to defect to/join the UNSC, probably due to Created infighting, or the original body overrides Promethean coding) even possibly, from a lore standpoint.
I might have asked this question already
humble yacht
No
spiral jewel
Understood
versed helm
I really can't see what is so special about Nizat.
gilded mason
What brought that on?
versed helm
I've just been reading some stuff about him, you stated that he was neat earlier too.
gilded mason
Readin' summaries?
versed helm
I think that's the problem, it's why I mentioned it here.
gilded mason
Ah. But yeah, within the two books themselves, it goes over into what he's thinking and, as expected, is a lot more in-depth about his actions.
versed helm
Which books, may I ask?
gilded mason
Silent Storm and Oblivion
versed helm
I'll have a look at those in the future, thanks.
gilded mason
👍
carmine sleet
I recommend both of those books
versed helm
It still saddens me to see the unnamed Elite not receive treatment, the one from The Return.
gusty spoke
I read the fall of reach, is any of it still canon
versed helm
I have a feeling he read the 2003 version.
craggy sierra
wut
humble yacht
the 2010 edition tried to do some content updates to coincide with changes in the halo franchise
versed helm
The 2019 version is the canon one though, yes?
humble yacht
but they got some things wrong and so in 2011 there was a reprint of the 2010 edition that fixed some errors
the 2019 version is just the 2010 version with a new cover
craggy sierra
Man, people commented on Kanye West’s album being the first thing to bring patch logs out of the realm of software media. Halo’s been doing it with books for years.
gusty spoke
@humble yacht it was the one on audible and it had a bunch of differences with the lore like with artificial gravity and the battle of Reach so I guess it must be the 2001 one
obsidian thistle
@humble yacht there is typo fixes in the 2019 editions.
feral perch
Forget Halo, LOTR got a few patches as time went on
obsidian thistle
Nothing groundbreaking outside some a year being fixed in Mortal Dictata however.
vestal ermine
Is this channel appropriate to discuss Hunt The Truth story?
versed helm
Yes.
cyan thunder
I've only read the original fall of reach where everything is set 2542 instead of 2552, and that they had never encountered elites until Reach or Hunters until Sigma Octanus
fair hazel
typo + small retcon that makes sense
cyan thunder
I know most the retcons from the original and reprint. It doesn't exactly ruin the book for me
I do wonder what the numbering convention for the Spartans were. Like John was 117, but James was 005, so it wasn't exactly done numerically.
obsidian thistle
There was around 150 candidates in the original list.
While that was knocked down to 75. They still kept their numbers
gusty spoke
@versed helm the one with the three Spartans and reach getting glassed
delicate notch
Numbers in the army pretty much gets to be a part of your identity.
"Oh no, Stephen died so you are 012 now, John 117" ^^
obsidian thistle
Nah. Spartan tags dont change.
full forge
It wasn't reaaaally knocked down to 75, since a lot of the washouts were eventually recovered.
fair hazel
The washouts were part of the 75
obsidian thistle
150 Candidates. 75 of those 150 were used.
The 75 kept their number from the 150.
stiff creek
used
versed helm
So...which led to the discovery of Halo - the Sigma Octavus rock or the SWORD base info from Noble 6?
gilded mason
Both
Both were incomplete coordinates, but they each filled in missing data the other had.
gilded mason
I forget
full forge
Pavium's so cool, I hope Atriox didn't just boink him after Voridus went all brainlet mode.
Dead Jiralhanae win no battles...
terse lava
Nah Pavium did nothing wrong. It's why Atriox told him to just secure the breach. Where he told Voridus to "clean up your mess," and that he would be waiting for him when he returns.
fair hazel
well the typical villain thing is 'you have failed me for the last time, "KILL"'
so i like that they didnt do that
terse lava
Yea
edgy coyote
Can I get some info as to why Zeta halo is broken?
gilded mason
We have no idea.
fair hazel
wait to find out
full forge
Also have to wait to find out where's infinity 😉
and the eternity
After 4-ish years is the eternity ready to deploy I wonder?
fair hazel
it'd be interesting to see eternity deployed but not fully built
opaque heart
I think the Eternity got put on the back burner because parts meant for it got repurposed for the Infinity after the battle of Requiem.
slim thorn
Eternity's construction was delayed because some of the crucial parts were refitted into Infinity after Requiem Campaign.
versed helm
@gusty spoke https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/719k4ln1piL.jpg If it is this one then all of it is canon.
gusty spoke
Some of the book mentioned the Pillar of Autumn had a spinning section for artificial gravity, and the battle of reach was different from the game
radiant sphinx
Anyone think the Ring being broken in a specific section may be due to Anders? She already had some fun deconstructing and launching a part of the ring off into space.
carmine sleet
I'd say that's possible
Like, we know it can't have been an explosion since an explosion that would've been big enough to make a hole that big would've destroyed the ring, like what we see in Combat Evolved
humble yacht
I don’t think the ring in Infinite is installation 09. Also, a controlled jettisoning of a portion of the ring doesn’t leave jagged edges.
stoic hamlet
Yeah it’s not an explosion, more like something rammed into it.
carmine sleet
Something ramming into it to cause that much damage would also destabilise the ring, shaking it apart
slim thorn
One of the odds is Guardian. If it was Installation 09, then the most viable answer is the Guardian itself did tear those rings apart.
feral perch
Maybe it was more local. Like something made those jagged patterns on the surface and then the pieces were ejected
humble yacht
I think it’s likely something rammed into it and they simply aren’t getting to realistic with the physics
And then the end of the discover hope trailer shows the holographic representation of the breakage
The pieces of the ring get blown outward as if something struck the ring coming out from the center
radiant sphinx
Maybe it was a structurally weak part of the ring that broke apart after a Guardian Pulse
humble yacht
I mean, technically anything is possible but that sounds unlikely
craggy sierra
Are the rings known for having structural weaknesses on that scale?
Like they seem to be a pretty uniform consistency for their whole radius
humble yacht
They’re not known for structural weakness, no
Also a guardian’s emp doesn’t seem to have concussive force behind it
radiant sphinx
If I’m not mistaken, isn’t there a bit of a knockback seen in the final mission of Halo 5 when Osiris is attempting to reach the slip space sphere thing
humble yacht
A little bit but not enough to blow a ring up
humble yacht
Hopefully not in July
versed helm
You're afraid it might be spoiled?
humble yacht
Trailers have a habit of over sharing
versed helm
That's true, it's why I might just watch a snippet of gameplay from the reveal in July.
craggy sierra
Remember when DOOM Eternal spoiled the final boss in a trailer?
humble yacht
If they want to show gameplay in July then I hope it’s shown through multiplayer
versed helm
I doubt that will happen unfortunately.
craggy sierra
They can probably lift a vertical slice of campaign that doesn't give away much
humble yacht
Maybe, but imo they’ve already revealed too much
versed helm
You'll laugh, but I care more about a Firefight reveal.
versed helm
Some of the maps could spoil things though.
humble yacht
A contextless map would likely not spoil anything for the average viewer
And I don’t follow halo you tubers so and “deep dives” would be something I wouldn’t see
versed helm
Neither do I, that point makes sense.
vestal ermine
I've been watching Hunt The Truth series and left off on season 2 episode 2. ONI are such monsters
I think we should give justice for Ben Giuraad
versed helm
ONI being monsters is nothing new, look at the Spartan Program.
vestal ermine
Oh yes I know
versed helm
Then you also have them trying to sabotage Sangheili crops too, it's just an evil shadow organisation that focuses on the bigger picture.
vestal ermine
ONI fabricating the truth has gone too far.
carmine sleet
Welcome to most shady government intelligence organisations
vestal ermine
If you think the villains are the covenant, the banished, the created, and the flood are the villains, I think the real villain who orchestrated the whole thing are ONI
carmine sleet
ONI didn't orchestrate the Human-Covenant War or the Banished
Or the Created or Flood
vestal ermine
I meant the panic of people fighting each other
As far as I'm concerned, ONI should be punished.
carmine sleet
I meant the panic of people fighting each other
What?
That statement makes no sense
vestal ermine
Insurection
Sorry for being unclear
The corruption, the fear and dishonesty, all orchestrated by ONI
They used the covenant war as a justifiable neccisity for their existence for their political agenda
carmine sleet
ONI didn't orchestrate the Insurrection. The Insurrection grew because people on the outer colonies weren't happy with how they seemed to have less of a say than people in the inner colonies, basically leading to a slow escalation before they finally started waging war against the UEG
vestal ermine
Ah. Even so, ONI still have escalated Insurrection more. And the truth they try to conceal, the truth should be given to the people no matter the cost. The people deserve to know the truth about the Spartan program and the Biko embassy massacre
Because no matter how detrimental it is, the truth is not what we always want, but it's what we actually need
warm cliff
Oni pog
carmine sleet
They used the covenant war as a justifiable neccisity for their existence for their political agenda
I wouldn't call a Covenant empire trying to wipe out all of humanity being something ONI are using for their own agenda
Ah. Even so, ONI still have escalated Insurrection more.
ONI weren't trying to provoke the Insurrection, they were trying to stop it. They might be a shady government org, but they aren't trying to cause wars for the sake of it
And the truth they try to conceal, the truth should be given to the people no matter the cost. The people deserve to know the truth about the Spartan program and the Biko embassy massacre
Sometimes it's better for people not to know. Imagine how much panic there would be if the public learnt of the Halos, or the Flood
versed helm
Oh my God, what am I witnessing?
peak grove
Oni pogchamp indeed
humble yacht
If people knew Chief was a child soldier they probably wouldn’t view him as a symbol of hope anymore.
carmine sleet
Indeed. It'd ruin the image that ONI built up of Chief and the Spartans, regardless of what generation
humble yacht
An image that got humanity through the hardest of times
Sometimes the truth just causes chaos
Watchmen and Dark Knight are examples of this
carmine sleet
Like, imagine a marine being approached for the S-IV program in a world where they went public with the Spartan-IIs and IIIs being child soldiers, that marine would more than likely refuse