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#lore-and-universe
glacial dock
versed helm
Honestly, I didn't think it was that bad, I got used to it pretty quickly.
glacial dock
Also the level where you spawn in front of many enemies and have you no cover and can die less than a second into the level
versed helm
Gravemind?
versed helm
Gravemind is when you spawn in front of Truth and some Brutes.
I remember hearing about some Elites who became human sympathisers early on in the war, is this true?
gilded mason
Early on? I don't remember much on that one. Could just be forgetting about it, though.
versed helm
I don't know a lot of information about it, it's why I asked you see.
gilded mason
Though I do know many were wondering why it was a war of extinction and not to simply get humans integrated.
versed helm
That I'm aware of, I think you mentioned something to me though, about some younger members.
gilded mason
Ye, in the latter half of the war, there was a growing number of younger Sangheili that sympathized with humanity.
vale pendant
do you guys prefer the remastered ost or the classic music? For some reason I find the marty version to be more... dunno warm?
better?
more flowing
versed helm
Are there sources for this? I don't remember this ever being mentioned.
gilded mason
N'tho's bio on Bungie.net
versed helm
Oh...
gilded mason
It mentioned he was a member of that group.
versed helm
Thanks.
feral perch
Halo 2: Anniversary’s remastered score is far more bombastic than the original soundtrack.
versed helm
Subjective, I prefer the classic one.
feral perch
Do you know what bombastic means?
vale pendant
well some music pieces on the remaster i like more, like Impart
its mixed different
feral perch
Agreed.
versed helm
Yes, I'm just saying that I prefer the classic score as well.
It sounds muted though in MCC.
versed helm
Only for CE.
vale pendant
aw
feral perch
Bombastic means “high-sounding but with little meaning; inflated.”
gilded mason
Though you could probably mod it.
feral perch
So your response appeared to be a disagreement.
vale pendant
if i play halo 2 classic, ill still have the remade music?
gilded mason
No
feral perch
When in fact, it needn’t have been.
gilded mason
Classic visuals will include classic sounds in H2A
feral perch
I think you phrased the response poorly.
versed helm
You can think many things, I don't care.
feral perch
Lol.
gilded mason
I thought the same as Stornado
versed helm
Doesn't necessarily mean it is true.
feral perch
I was offering you a justification for your preference, Delete.
versed helm
Good for you, Stornado.
feral perch
versed helm
feral perch
Why must we disagree about the quality of Elite feet?
gilded mason
This is one of those times you were talking about, DTE.
feral perch
(clearly Reach toes are the best look)
versed helm
Okay, maybe we shouldn't go completely off-topic though.
I've grown to prefer H3's design out of the rest though.
feral perch
I hope we encounter the Didact in Halo Infinite.
gilded mason
Too bulky for my tastes.
versed helm
God, I hope not.
I don't want to see that ugly space beaver again.
Too bulky for my tastes.
H3's design?
gilded mason
Ye
versed helm
I've grown to like it, I think they look pretty elegant overall.
feral perch
I don’t like how most of the time in multiplayer, Elite models will make a wide split upon dying.
It’s so undignified.
versed helm
I don't play MP anymore so I'm unsure what it's like now.
Did 343i remove the photo of the Rookie's girlfriend in MCC?
carmine sleet
No idea, never checked. Pretty sure the only thing that was changed was the Destiny posters
versed helm
I couldn't see it in the dropping sequence.
fair hazel
what difficulty
versed helm
Is it only present on Legendary?
fair hazel
i think unless im mistaken
unique rune
Pretty sure it’s only on Legendary, though last time I went through it on that difficulty I wasn’t able to find it.
Dunno, maybe I’m just stupid.
humble yacht
I don’t think anyone wants to look up every S-II’s height and then calculate an average for you
versed helm
Then i'll just go with John's height
humble yacht
I think that’s a good idea
versed helm
How tall is MC without his armor?
humble yacht
Halopedia has that info
fair hazel
I think CIA might be up for it but he has os much going on lik all the time
humble yacht
Why let someone else do that calculation when you could do it yourself if it interests you?
versed helm
I believe that he's like 6 foot and 11 inches tall in his armour.
limpid meadow
John is a good barometer for "average" among Spartan-IIs. He's 6' 10" out of armor.
Mjolnir adds about 4 inches of height
versed helm
That reminds me, Thel is pretty tall too, lol. He's like 7' 9", pretty sure he's one centimetre away from being 7' 10" too.
obsidian thistle
I'd say average height is not really a useful thing for Spartans anyhow. Best to view each one as a individual.
versed helm
Where do you guys stand on Harvest's population?
300k or 3 million?
At which point in its history?
When the Covenant attacked.
simple locust
Were humans and San'Shyuum the only sentient species in the Human-San'Shyuum Empire?
versed helm
@versed helm Halopedia is more reliable.
Halopedia cites both figures
Because media sources differ
I see.
In pretty much every source, it's 3 million
But Contact Harvest swears by the 300k number.
Looks like an inconsistency between CH and FoR, FoR is known for having inconsistencies due to it being outdated. I believe that there is an updated version now though.
Yeah, but sources after CH also cite 3 million.
Which ones?
I'll paste what wiki says:
gilded mason
If CH is the lone 300,000 citation, then it'd be best to go with the others that also came after.
versed helm
According to Halo: The Fall of Reach, Halo: Fall of Reach - Boot Camp, and Halo: The Essential Visual Guide, Harvest had a population of approximately three million. However, Halo: Contact Harvest consistently states that Harvest had a population of around 300,000, and that roughly 250,000 civilians, who constituted most of the planet's population, escaped before the planet was glassed.
Ostral, but that basically invalidates CH, which is a novel all about Harvest.
gilded mason
Yeah.
versed helm
Yeah, from the perspective of one person.
gilded mason
But, well: ¯_(ツ)_/¯
gilded mason
I think it's more that it's a retcon than a PoV in-universe error.
versed helm
It's been a very long time since I read CH.
gilded mason
Since that's a pretty big mistake.
versed helm
I think you're right though, it might have been written in third person.
I just checked, it is in third person, maybe it was a typo?
It's stated multiple times
gilded mason
When he’d made his hit, the city wasn’t much more than a few blocks of polycrete pre-fabs, and the whole colony had a population of fifty, maybe sixty thousand residents. Checking his COM pad one more time before putting it away, he learned that the number had grown to a little more than three hundred thousand.
versed helm
And when they rescue the 250k people, they call it "the vast majority of the population"
It's just an inconsistency then, I guess. Now that makes me question which figure I should choose, on one hand, you have a novel dedicated to the planet. On the other, you have multiple sources which say otherwise...
My head-canon is this: Harvest was an extremely small colony of 300k people, the majority of which were rescued. When ONI first discussed the attack with the Spartans, they embellished the number to three-million so as to better "rally the troops".
gilded mason
Perhaps you can ask Grim on twitter, CL.
versed helm
Who is Grim?
gilded mason
GrimBrotherOne. One of 343's writers.
versed helm
I'll ask him and see...
I didn't even know that the writers were this engaging with the community.
gilded mason
They are, sometimes.
versed helm
Yeah, does he have a history of answering questions?
versed helm
Ok
I like your original theory though, it's not a far fetched one.
Idk how 'well known' the populations of planets would be...could a Spartan look up Harvest on some independent "website" or whatever?
versed helm
It's certainly not difficult for them to discover information, Kat is a prime example of this. She was able to access B-312's redacted files.
Yeah, and in FoR it's stated that lying to the Spartans would be a bad idea.
So I dunno if my fan-theory pans out...
Well, let's hope that the writer responds!
versed helm
What other races were part of the Human-San'shyuum Alliance besides both the titular races?
stoic hamlet
IIRC Grim isn’t a writer, he’s part of the lore team. The group who makes sure the lore/universe doesn’t contradict itself and stuff.
Not that that matters, of course.
stoic hamlet
Oh, TIL
I want that kinda job, tbh. That it actually writing a halo book.
Maybe one day........
stoic hamlet
But then I should probably finish my current project before I commit to trying to pursue such a goal, lol
gilded mason
Heh.
stoic hamlet
But yeah, with regards to asking 343 lore questions, I’ve found you need to be incredibly specific with your phrasing.
gilded mason
Yeah.
feral perch
Example?
gilded mason
Don't recall any specific ones off the top of my head, and I don't feel like lookin' through a huge archive, but that's the general jist I got from that kind of thing. Others have noticed as well over the years.
feral perch
Huh. That sounds annoying.
queen otter
Were there any brute soldiers in Juls covenant remnant?
versed helm
Hwllo
gilded mason
Were there any brute soldiers in Juls covenant remnant?```
Apparently there were some, according to Spartan Strike.Because I always kind of wondered why we didn’t get any in H4 and H5. All though there wouldn’t have been very many. And the chances of them being deployed exactly where Chief was, was slim.
versed helm
Hello
main siren
I finished reading Cryptum. I am intrigued so far.
Anything I should know before I start on Primordium? Mind you, I'm willing to give an open mind with the book
feral perch
It’s boring for the first hour or so if you’re listening to an audiobook.
vale pendant
soo im kinda confused if someone can help out
feral perch
So boring I gave up on it, after really enjoying Cryptum.
vale pendant
i just read that guilty spark survived after halo 3 and that he took over a ship
and finding out the librarian is alive
but how is she alive?
didnt she die ages ago with the firing of the halo array
vale pendant
but the digital ones act in their own way?
or are they pre recorded in a sense and thats it
feral perch
Well, they can interact dynamically with people, but they’re not actually her.
vale pendant
what was the home world of the forunners btw
main siren
Ghibalb, though they abandoned it due to their experiment stellar engineering caused it to become heavily irradiated and uninhabitable
vale pendant
okayokay and the original 12 halos
did the books or something go in detail about them
or even show them
all i heard is that there where ordinally 12, and they where bigger
but in the games we only have 7
slim thorn
If you can recall Zeta Halo, it even scrapped itself down to 1/3 of its original size
feral perch
The original 12 were destroyed, except for Zeta.
vale pendant
i see
void elk
was there a communist uprising in the moon?
brisk phoenix
Yes.
versed helm
Hello
gilded mason
Did you need something?
terse lava
Guess not
peak estuary
Was it ever revealed how the forerunners killed the precursors?
I don’t recall any explanations to how but I thought I’d ask
terse lava
Never said really outright. Just that the forerunners "erased" them
Only real hint is they used warships in the deed
last anchor
Probably resulted in a space battle the likes of which no one has seen before or since.
candid cape
I am curious on how the forerunners killed the precursors cause the precursors had more advance technology
carmine sleet
More advanced technology doesn't mean that they couldn't be wiped out. It's never as simple as the side with better tech winning
last anchor
Also someone in the Forerunners was convinced the Precursors LET the Forerunners kill them.
terse lava
Which is odd. This race of infinite shape shifting uber animorphs existed for billions of years. Crafted life, moved stars and galaxies. Yet the first time a creation goes against the grain they let themselves take the hit, get driven insane and blame the forerunners
It's why I am convinced the Primordial is a literal precursor child. It certainly acts like one
slim thorn
But then how did Chief was identified as Forerunner by Spark?
versed helm
Death doesn't really matter to the Precursors, so it makes sense why they'd just let the Forerunners kill them
The rule of cool probably explains it.
But then how did Chief was identified as Forerunner by Spark?
@slim thorn
He isn't actually Forerunner, humanity is just considered their chilrdren since their technology is being passed down to them
A child replaces the parent in a sense
Hence why humanity is also called "Reclaimer"
carmine sleet
Spark isn't exactly working at peak efficiency after all his time in isolation on 04. He mistook Chief for a Forerunner because of this
versed helm
Who could have been in the unknown ship that crashed on I04?
carmine sleet
Unknown
Like, we have literally no clue who could've been in the ship at all
Well, outside of the atmosphere from within the ship being breathable but that doesn't mean much
versed helm
There are some theories for this though, right?
versed helm
Ancient humans or random alien meddlers are pretty much the only guesses
And the ship very sparingly resembles an ancient human ship
carmine sleet
Practically impossible to be ancient human since the array had already fired by that point and we were nowhere near travelling the stars by the time that ship crashed on 04
main siren
Just finished Silentium and Rebirth. Man, what a beautiful story these two are. I am impressed
royal forge
I don't understand 343 Halo
as in the storyline
what happened at the end of halo 5
why is master chief floating in space in the infinite trailer
what the hell was going on in Halo wars 2
halo 4 is easy enough to understand
but halo 5 and halo wars 2 and infinite are confusing me
i've seen the games get played
I've read plot synopsises
I just have no clue what's happening
and I need to understand for infinite to mean anything to me
rare axle
Infinites not even out yet
royal forge
I mean the infinite trailer
rare axle
Theyll probably explain later in campaign
rare axle
Why would they reveal all of that in a TRAILER
royal forge
what happened to him at the end of halo 5?
carmine sleet
Those are going to be explained when Halo Infinite releases
royal forge
||Cortana kidnapped him or something right?||
also what was happening in halo wars 2?
royal forge
what was that ending?
rare axle
No
main siren
...
main siren
Yes, its a Halo ring. And yes, it got intercepted by a Guardian and flunged out of slipspace
rare axle
And then anders got brutally murdered
royal forge
where was it flung to?
carmine sleet
And then anders got brutally murdered
Anders was not murdered, we don't know what happened to her after that cutscene ended
rare axle
Bro probably!
versed helm
It was being sent to replace the ring Chief destroyed in Halo CE
carmine sleet
There was a guardian right in front of her
There being a Guardian doesn't mean she died
royal forge
was the ring in halo wars two installation 0?
versed helm
Installation 09, or 04C
regal anvil
In Halo 5 legendary ending what was that sound confirmed to be the flood?
versed helm
04B would be the ring that shook itself to pieces at the end of H3
royal forge
in my understanding there were flood samples on every ring @regal anvil
so probably
I think
regal anvil
I hope they had the flood back to infinite
royal forge
they will
versed helm
There’s no confirmation of the Flood returning.
royal forge
they had a dog voice acting the flood for infinite
regal anvil
I've seen it
royal forge
ye
regal anvil
It could be a creatures noise or a new enemy
royal forge
it sounds like the flood
regal anvil
It does
carmine sleet
In Halo 5 legendary ending what was that sound confirmed to be the flood?
What sound? There's no audio at the end of Halo 5 that indicates anything relating to the Flood
it sounds like the flood
The dog could be used for anything. I wouldn't take it as evidence of the Flood returning
regal anvil
There's a screech you can hear it in the legendary ending
carmine sleet
That screech doesn't sound anything like the Flood
royal forge
is the ring from halo wars 2 the one in the halo 5 legendary ending?
carmine sleet
Unknown
royal forge
when does halo wars 2 take place'
carmine sleet
2559, just a few months after the end of Halo 5
main siren
April 2559
royal forge
where is master chief at the end of halo 5?
regal anvil
https://youtu.be/na--12giIHQ you can hear a screech
carmine sleet
Now, the scene at the end of Halo 5 with the Halo, that could take place some time after the events of Halo 5, which has happened with post credit scenes in the past
where is master chief at the end of halo 5?
At the end of the campaign, he's on Sanghelios. He's since left Sanghelios, as seen in the events of Halo Bad Blood
https://youtu.be/na--12giIHQ you can hear a screech
Like I said before, it sounds nothing like the Flood
royal forge
so where is he in Bad Blood?
versed helm
Aren't there spartan ops missions in H5?
round comet
..no
carmine sleet
Aren't there spartan ops missions in H5?
No, Spartan Ops was only in Halo 4
versed helm
Ah. Kekek.
regal anvil
I mean what would it be it's a screech by a Halo ring to me it's like the sounds like the flood I'm not saying it is
carmine sleet
Would've been nice to have something like Spartan Ops in Halo 5 though
versed helm
I've never heard the flood screech.
Squelch, maybe
But not screech
It could be a Guardian call
I mean, from a distance, they could sound like screeches
round comet
guardian call.
rare axle
Humanity just wont let another installation 4 be built
Well
Not built
Nvm actually
round comet
......
versed helm
It being the flood doesn't really make any sense story wise anyways
queen otter
What’s doesn’t make sense to you?
versed helm
Because its Cortana humming, a halo ring and her created
Idk why the flood would even be a part of that lol
queen otter
Are you talking about Infinite?
If so then Installation 07 is known for flood research. Whatever happened to the ring some flood may have escaped from containment.
versed helm
Isn’t that just the sound of the ring illuminating? Forerunner machinery is known to make otherworldly noises
Even if they escaped it makes no sense for the scene to be constructed that way, pretty sure the Halo 5 ending is a cortana threat, not a flood threat
And yeah I'm inclined to believe its just the ring
queen otter
You are kinda missing the point. Im just saying what I could make out of if presuming the ring you are talking about is Installation 07
slim thorn
Considering the destroyed ring back there also got a risk of the Flood also released during Halo: Infinite, it may give the chance for the Flood to return.
humble yacht
What destroyed ring?
slim thorn
During the trailer of Halo: Infinite
humble yacht
That ring was only damaged
slim thorn
Yeah, damaged enough to be destroyed for a section
But, I do really like when they finally band together again to defeat The Flood.
versed helm
What was that team that journeyed to a shard of Alpha, I don’t remember the name but I know a nuclear weapon was involved
humble yacht
That was a team of ONI agents and Sedran militia
limpid meadow
You're better off just reading a plot summary than watching the series
humble yacht
:/
versed helm
I’ve been working my way through Evolutions recently
Finished Contact Harvest yesterday
humble yacht
Only because watching the series on Halo Channel is difficult right now
limpid meadow
Nah. The series is just bad. It's not worth watching.
humble yacht
Disagree
limpid meadow
The second stories are fun, but the main series is bad.
versed helm
I just remembered the general idea because I went through Mythos cause I was bored
But ngl, I wish there was more on the UNSC Navy, specifications on their ship designs
humble yacht
Warfleet
versed helm
I have it
I mean more on the specifics, such as armor composition (specific) cause ngl, I’ve wondered what Ti-A was made of exactly
limpid meadow
Titanium-A is composed of high-grade Titanium-50, strengthened at the molecular level.
humble yacht
It’s not indicated what other metals titanium is alloyed with to make Titanium A
round comet
making logical sense and being good are not the same thing.
even if the flood bing included make logical sense, howd you think it will play out?
do you think it will be good?
carmine sleet
It'd feel too much like a rehash of what has come before with the Flood. Can't change the goal of the Flood either as that would be changing the very nature of them
round comet
^^
the plot would be a bit too predictable
and kinda bland, considering the events of the OG trology
and lazy.
just, bad.
versed helm
How did ONI already know about the Great Schism when it didn't really happen yet?
lethal comet
When?
limpid meadow
Halo 3: ODST. When you encounter the dead Elites
ONI didn't know about the Great Schism, just that there was some kind of infighting among the Brutes and Elites.
humble yacht
All Dare said was “it’s classified”
terse lava
Yea, we see another hint of it in "stomping on the heels of a fuss," where an agent notes that there was tension between the jiralhanae and other races
versed helm
Is that a data pad?
limpid meadow
Short story from Halo Evolutions
versed helm
Isn't that the one where the Rookie was confirmed to be in it?
limpid meadow
The short story Dirt from that collection, yeah.
main siren
I found Dirt to be a little heartbreaking among the stories in Halo Evolutions, IMO
limpid meadow
Dirt was really good!
terse lava
Dirt was one of the few times a story made me care about humanity in halo
humble yacht
When you played CE, were you rooting for the covenant?
versed helm
Wow, typical apathetic behaviour from the hinge heads.
How did the Rookie know Veronica's login details in ODST?
limpid meadow
What do you mean?
versed helm
At some point, he logs into the Superintendent's database with Veronica's profile.
It even has her name as the username.
limpid meadow
Oh, he isn't logging in, he's granted access as part of Dare's operation. That's why her name appears.
versed helm
Oh, I see. That also reminds me, Veronica is surprised to see the Rookie in Data Hives. Is this because she was expecting to meet Buck?
limpid meadow
Yes
stoic hamlet
Yeah she speaks over the comm to buck a few times. Or, well, Rookie when she thinks it’s buck.
versed helm
I thought those were global messages that the whole squad heard?
terse lava
@humble yacht First time through? Thought they were cool but knew almost nothing about them at the time. Once I learned more on them, on later playthroughs I "cheered for them" in the form of helping them fight the flood
torpid lily
How do you guys think Cheif should die?
terse lava
I did hate the CE marines always though
versed helm
Wow.
queen otter
How do you guys think Cheif should die?
Sacrifice.
torpid lily
That is really vague
versed helm
We can't really assume what will happen in the future, when we don't know Chief's future assignments.
limpid meadow
He should go out with a bang
stoic hamlet
With one stick, and a rock
stoic hamlet
He doesn’t love her most
It’s a different style of love to how he loves blue team, but he’d choose them over her any day of the week.
Also, redeeming Cortana is a terrible idea.
IMO.
limpid meadow
Agreed
versed helm
Well, people want different things.
stoic hamlet
Consequences need to occur.
We’ve had a lot of characters now essentially sidestep consequences in Halo to an alarming degree, IMO.
Plenty of times where John should have been punished but he wasn’t.
Halsey, who initially was betraying humanity for her own ends (and not for the first time) but now in Infinite is back in their good graces because plot.
The Arbiter, who I don’t think I need to elaborate on.
And now Cortana.
fair hazel
Sometimes even the worst of sounding ideas can be executed amazingly
stoic hamlet
And sometimes the best can be done terribly.
gilded mason
And what's more likely here?
humble yacht
Neither?
gilded mason
Sorry, was responding to this:
Cortana being redeemed is neither the worst idea nor the best. I suppose it’s more likely to be executed poorly as redemption tends to absolve of sin, meaning a character doesn’t have to deal with ramifications
If redeeming Cortana leads to another 10 years of The Adventures of Chief and Cortana, I really don’t want that
queen otter
That is really vague
@torpid lily that’s because I want 343 to choose the way they do it. Either way I’d like it.
torpid lily
I feel you
versed helm
I feel bad for Kasha in Lessons Learned, there must have been a lot of innocent SoS members who have been wrongly accused for being ex-Covenant.
I don't really blame the humans for mistaking this, they probably wouldn't know any better.
agile lotus
Do the Sangheili have their own form of Seppuku, or are they mainly a “fight until death” type of warrior race?
versed helm
Yes, they do.
terse lava
They off themselves if horribly dishonored in some way. Loss of blood, not bring promoted. They do this to save the honor of their family and bloodline, who risk being wiped out due too the dishonor
versed helm
There is more information on their "ritual suicides" on Halopedia: https://www.halopedia.org/Sangheili
Do the Sangheili have their own form of Seppuku, or are they mainly a “fight until death” type of warrior race?
@agile lotus To answer your question though, they can practice both. They would rather die in battle than seek medical treatment from their wounds and commit suicide if they have shamed their heritage.
fair hazel
a changing attitude
gilded mason
And many still did that even in 2525 anyway.
last anchor
Oh boy, I dont even wanna know what THAT would look like.
Also something tells me being in the field doenst help
peak estuary
What happened to the fleet of particular justice after Thel was stripped of his rank? Who took over the fleet?
humble yacht
Maybe it was disbanded and absorbed into other fleets
versed helm
Is there a particular reason for as to why certain service tags don't include initials of UNSC personnel?
limpid meadow
Not that we know
last anchor
Probably just a hiccup between the Nylund era and otherwise
clever fable
Has there been any exploration on Knights having emotion or some such? Beyond the caged ones in Halo 5, I mean.
craggy sierra
Aren't they just made out of composed people?
gilded mason
Yes.
craggy sierra
That probably has something to do with it
clever fable
Yeah, part of why I'm interested in whether or not they've explored it further.
craggy sierra
Most of the time the knights have been around they've kinda been getting directly controlled by someone
Doesn't leave a whole lotta room to explore it at this point in the canon
clever fable
I think room could be created 🥁 for it since we don't really have to limit ourselves strictly to firefights, but I guess all I can do is hope for it.
craggy sierra
When I say "this point" I specifically mean the point where Cortana's controlling all of them.
Could probably be looked into after that's dealt with
clever fable
I don't think her controlling them makes it impossible to explore at the moment, just adds a small amount of difficulty to possible explanations for the excuse of exploring it.
craggy sierra
Look man Infinite's probably going to put that whole issue to rest within the year...(I hope)
It'd probably be best taken from a point where they don't have someone at least trying to exert control over them.
clever fable
I actually think adding that to premise makes it more interesting.
Similar to Jenkins in some respect.
craggy sierra
I mean after the war, all the consciences in the nights wake up and people have to deal with the neon skeleton robots wanting to be friends now, that'd be pretty interesting.
clever fable
For sure, I'd enjoy that too.
vale pendant
question
did the foreunners have tech to travel outside the galaxy?
like to andromeda
or is there some story in lore about something from outside the galaxy
And second: How did the precursors not foresaw that the powder would corrupt and form the flood
clever fable
Yes, but there's complications.
The mechanics used in slipspace travel, or at least as the Forerunners knew it, created 'debt' in spacetime. The universe had trouble dealing with a ship or planet being in one point in space, and then being in the next. The debt generated with such large journeys, especially when slipspace traffic was already quite high in their age, would bog down travel in the Milky Way.
We see this in the Librarian's journey to the Large Magellanic Cloud, where they try to stop several times on their way to the LMC to offset some of this as much as possible.
clever fable
It took an indeterminate amount of time for the remaining Forerunners to relocate to another galaxy after the war was over, however it's my speculation that the journey would be much easier due to there being no slipspace traffic after the war, since the Halo's eliminated advanced life throughout the Milky Way.
When debt goes over its bounds, a number of things can happen. Ships get stuck in their portals, explode on re-entry, ect. The Forerunners used this exploit offensively against ancient humanity, and the Flood used a method that may have been similar though reliant upon neural physics to echo ships into the universes they drain for energy.
vale pendant
interesting
about infiinite btw
the halo ring we see, which one is it
as its broken
clever fable
most of the hints dropped so far indicate it being installation 07.
carmine sleet
It's important to remember that those hints aren't confirmation and it could very well be a different ring
clever fable
Yup
carmine sleet
Like, I acknowledge the evidence is there but still
vale pendant
how many humans are around at the time period of halo 5/halo wars
like for some reason post halo 3 makes it seem like humanity is actually not in a bad position at all
all high tech stuff
surely another war would destroy the humans?
carmine sleet
Halo Wars takes place long before Halo 5
gilded mason
Some amount of billions, but the upper is unknown
vale pendant
i mean halo wars 2 sorry
fair hazel
Figured thatès what he meant.
lord hood has a tendency to exagerate a lot
don't always take literal word for characters in universe
vale pendant
does the banisched also want to fire the halo array
or does their leader know that the rings will killl all life
compared to the lies of the covenant
carmine sleet
He didn't seem interested in firing the ring during Halo Wars 2. Plus, it wouldn't make sense for him to want to fire them anyway
queen otter
I mean Atriox seems like a power hungry kinda guy. So I doubt he would try to fire a halo ring killing everything in the galaxy.
versed helm
He would probably acquire one to induce fear and control the galaxy.
Threatening to fire the Ring when demands are not met and so on.
queen otter
Yeah but I don’t think he would fire one. Plus I’m kind of tired of threats of firing halo rings and the stakes being so high. Because we all know at the end of the game the protagonist will win.
versed helm
Oh no, he definitely wouldn't fire it, just use it to exploit people.
queen otter
Probably. But I hope something like that doesnt happen seriously.
versed helm
I don't blame you, he certainly would become a threat at that point. He could even get blinded by his power and try to actually fire the Ring, ignoring his bluff...
You know, I feel like there are very few Halo fans who didn't mind the Rookie dying. I thought it kind of added more depth to the rest of Alpha Nine.
cyan thunder
What are the chances infinite will be Blue team or just John?
unreal plover
I didn't feel any dissatiscation with Rookie's death, just a little sad of course
I think they may be present, but likely not the whole time. Idk
versed helm
I agree, I was also saddened by it too. I came to accept it though, which made me like the Rookie more.
cyan thunder
Didn't realise the Rookie died. I haven't read any of the shorts. I'm rereading kilo-5 at the moment, then I'll move on to the Spartan 4 intros and bad blood I think. I want to be as up to date as possible for Shadows of Reach. I know 343 have said you won't need to read the books to understand the game, but every game has had references to the books, or needed something extra from the books to fully explain
limpid meadow
You should reach Halo: New Blood before reading Bad Blood
cyan thunder
I've read New Blood before, but I'd include that with the Spartan 4 intros as it explains what happens to Buck
fair hazel
Plenty! @plush tinsel
plush tinsel
Can you read it online for free or do you need to purchase certain stuff?
I didn’t even know the rookie died until just now.
Looks like I’m missing out a lot of stuff
fair hazel
you buy them
actual books and comics, with amazing and great stories of idfferent perspectivesd
fair hazel
Okay well this gives me an idea.
Anyways, there's books spanning different eras. Ancient forerunner eras, human-covenant war, post-war, some alien perspectives too. There's different stories, some YA novels, graphic novels.
I recommend starting with The Fall of Reach, the book that started it all.
cyan thunder
Same as above, start with the "Nylund trilogy" followed by Kilo5 trilogy. These expalin most of the events surrounding the games. If you enjoy reading pick up the forerunner saga. I'm not much of a reader personally and have struggled with it. It's quite slow paced so I'm listening via audiobook.
slim thorn
Alpha-Nine is not going to be as good as when Rookie was around. They got now at least two lovey-doveys (Dutch and Gretchen and Buck and Veronica) on the team. The interesting thing is, there could be a couple fight or both lovey doveys are asking each other for love advice. Sure enough if Rookie was still around, Buck and the gang could rant all they want to Rookie while he will be just like... sleeping which I find interesting.
severe wind
What happened to that cruiser in floodgate its been 5 years since i can remember
last anchor
Glassed into oblivion
terse lava
The Indulgence? It was glassed
last anchor
Alongside most of the surrounding area
terse lava
And over half a continent 😛
severe wind
Whats the ship called again......
terse lava
Indulgence of Conviction
last anchor
^
severe wind
Ahh okay
terse lava
When you think about it, I wonder how the flood boarded it anyway
severe wind
https://imgur.com/jLHpo5Q this is the ship im talking bout how did the flood get on there?🤨
slim thorn
Probably using the same method when the Flood boards Infinite Succor, I think? Where the Minister of Etiology was infected
The flood probably using dropship like Brilliant Gift to enter through hangar and begun infection there.
slim thorn
Hood just exaggerate it
terse lava
That was the joke....
slim thorn
But I think the indulgence also can't be salvaged
If it wasn't flood boarding it, UNSC would be love to take and examine it thoroughly.
fair hazel
theres probably better ships to examine
slim thorn
Nah, won't do. The main weapon and the core is destroyed
UNSC prefers to have things intact though.
Probably if they can find a way back to the Ark, they could salvage Enduring Conviction.
terse lava
But it was halved as well. Besides the long night still has the bow excavator beam
slim thorn
Yeah, but the cut was clean enough from the Sentinels.
Long Night was literally missing the reactor and middle part of the ship because of slipspace detonation.
last anchor
Also lost most of it s structure
slim thorn
So I prefer Enduring Conviction rather than Long Night of Solace if UNSC wants to study the entire ship.
terse lava
Just saying one is easier to get too then the other
slim thorn
UNSC could also get the Modular Dispersion Technology from Enduring Conviction since Long Night of Solace doesn't have it due to being gone into oblivion. They could make a warship fitted with it.
terse lava
As you said though they need to get to the ark first
slim thorn
Yeah, but things is going to be very complicated for UNSC.
They can't risk The Ark taken by Cortana let alone even they reunited with Spirit of Fire, they still need to defeat the Banished.
last anchor
Well, at least take them off the board
terse lava
Well could always have them pull the ally card
lethal comet
I just found that the nylund triology and CH and Cole protocol are free to read on archive.org
I just found that the nylund triology and CH and Cole protocol are free to read on archive.org
I just found that the nylund triology and CH and Cole protocol are free to read on archive.org
last anchor
So all the oldest ones.
lethal comet
Kilo five is available as well
terse lava
Having some lag there?
lethal comet
yes
near tide
versed helm
How would one pronounce "N'tho"? I've always pronounced it like "Ne-tho", is this correct?
gilded mason
I always said it like "Info"
versed helm
That's an interesting take, makes me wonder if "Nnn-tho" is viable too.
vale pendant
when the autumn reaches halo
is this also the moment the covenant first discover the ring
or did they know of its location for longer
didnt they find it weird that a human ship jumped to the halo ring of all places
carmine sleet
Covenant ships have always been faster
And I don't think they found it weird that the Autumn ended up at the Halo, they likely believed their gods had led them to the ring
gilded mason
@versed helm
Ah, the audiobook also goes with "Info"
vale pendant
how long did the covenant know of the ring?
versed helm
Really now? Looks like I need to look into the pronunciation of Sangheili names then.
vale pendant
and also, did the covenant know or encounter the flood before halo 1?
vale pendant
was the covenant waging another war before encountering humanity, against the flood?
i mean cant let it infect your covenant
gilded mason
I wouldn't call it a war.
carmine sleet
The Covenant wasn't waging a war against the Flood before they encountered humanity
vale pendant
werent they afraid it would infect more
carmine sleet
I'm pretty sure the first time the Covenant encountered the Flood was in 2531, in Halo Wars
Which is after the Human-Covenant War began
gilded mason
Maybe.
gilded mason
Though they've also dealt with Flood-infected machines many times before, so it feels like they would've also met the Flood itself at some earlier point, too.
vale pendant
did the prophers know that the great journey was going to kill them all? or did they truely believe they would ascend
gilded mason
They thought it was real.
Though Truth's thoughts on the matter in Halo 3 are...muddled.
versed helm
I have a feeling that the Covenant have encountered the Flood before, but didn't survive to inform the rest.
vale pendant
how did the prophets even come up with the idea of the great journey
like where did they read it would ascend them
gilded mason
Translations of Forerunner text.
vale pendant
do we know what that text mentioned
gilded mason
The Didact would talk about "Transendence" and a "Great Journey", but incomplete translations left them without the true context.
vale pendant
i see
carmine sleet
It also led to the mistranslation of the Forerunner glyph for Reclaimer as "Reclaim"
gilded mason
A big jerk.
vale pendant
like some special being that keeps ruining their plans
cedar jungle
I mean, he’s killed millions of their kind, so I don’t know why they would like him 😂
versed helm
like some special being that keeps ruining their plans
@vale pendant Yes, pretty much.
simple locust
Are the metal flees Chackas mentions in Primordium that were used in a Forerunner civil war a type of sentinel?
versed helm
How long does it take for a Flood spore to infect a human to create a combat form?
cyan thunder
From halo 3, you see a marine get infected within seconds and becomes a combat form
royal forge
what about Sangheili?
carmine sleet
From halo 3, you see a marine get infected within seconds and becomes a combat form
That was from an Infection Form, not a Flood Spore
royal forge
or a San'Shyuum
round comet
believe?
simple locust
What was he a Prophet of?
round comet
all i know is that he claimed to know the "cure" for the flood.
promised to reveal this lil secret if the san shyuum were allowed to live
and so their punishment was not as harsh as humanity got.
What was he a Prophet of?
i dont think their were any "reigious" believes at that time, he was probably just the heirarch of the san shyuum.
simple locust
Why did they keep it a secret?
round comet
he promised to reveal it when the flood returned, in order to ensure the survival of his species
royal forge
cos he didn't actually know
round comet
@simple locust The forerunners declared war on them before they could explain anything.
Other than that, there was no cure. Humanity just sacrificed 1/3rd of their population and the flood just, kinda left.
simple locust
Why did they refuse to tell them under torture?
round comet
Would YOU reveal this secret to the people who just wiped out your population because of a misunderstanding?
And overtime all that was left of AH was their descendants who had the AH geas implanted in their DNAs by the librarian.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
the forerunners probably refused to believe what humanity mightve told them,
you know how much they hated humanity;
simple locust
What weapons did ancient humans have?
Are the metal flees Chackas mentions in Primordium that were used in a Forerunner civil war a type of sentinel?
versed helm
Have you ever used Halopedia, Arrow? I highly recommend using that website for more detailed lore.
unreal plover
^
terse lava
It would answer a few of your questions
humble yacht
at least the basic "what happened" or "what is this" kinds of questions. and then once you have the basic info you can come here and engage in deeper lore discussion
cyan thunder
I do love halopedia from what I can tell it's mostly accurate, but if there's something I believe is contradictory then here is always good for a more in depth discussion
jolly furnace
Halopedia includes a list of inconsistencies within the canon lore
humble yacht
no, i don't think that's what they meant
simple locust
I haven't been able to find an article about the metal flees that killed the Forerunners in the Star Boats in Primordium.
jolly furnace
Metal flees?
simple locust
Thank you. They sound cool. and maybe even necessary to destroy ancillas of Forerunner soldiers, as the crack into the suit.
jolly furnace
Yep
Forerunners did need to design ways to break into and overpower their own uber armor afterall
versed helm
Out of interest, what do you guys think: Are the UNSC really the good guys in Halo or are the insurrectionists right?
What are your opinions?
main siren
I'd say its shades of grey between the two
I'm not really into the good guy vs bad guy when it comes to humanity
versed helm
I agree. But if you had to choose a side, who would that be with?
humble yacht
Neither. I'd be neutral like Mandalore
eternal oriole
Does anyone recommend the books?
I know they are slightly integral to undertsnading halo lore, but does anyone recommend them, or would they be a watse of time
gilded mason
A lot of them are pretty good.
eternal oriole
Ok
Do you have any specific ones that stand out?
Or provide a good deal of information?
paper bone
The book The Fall of Reach provides how Cheif came to be, and how he became "the last spartan".
gilded mason
Personal ones I enjoy:
Broken Circle, Shadow of Intent, Last Light, Silent Storm, Oblivion, Evolutions, Fractures
eternal oriole
Okay
Thanks
I will look into them
I really like the lore and backstory of halo, and I realized that the books wold help with that
So again, thank you
main siren
In case you do feel like reading more Halo after these books, I'd say give the Forerunner saga a try
unborn mirage
Covenants are just pre corpses, by logic
simple locust
So did any particular factions cause the famines in the rainforest wars or was it the fault of all sides?
cyan thunder
Im not a fan of the forerunner books, I much prefer Kilo 5. It explains what humanity has been up to and introduces Ju M''Dama
unreal plover
Ghost of Onyx is a fanfave
cyan thunder
Loved Ghosts too! Hated the cliffhangar and the wait for Glasslands to release
Speaking of Kilo5, there's an image on halopedia of Naomi in her mk vii armour and I don't know where it came from
gilded mason
From Mythos at least, but I'm not sure if that was the art's debut.
cyan thunder
Thanks I want sure if it was a frame from a cut scene I'd missed somewhere, or from one of the animated shows
main siren
The art of Kilo-5 did come from Halo Mythos
rugged lion
when was the first time the covenant encountered the flood?
simple locust
Is it possible that the other several species in the Human-San'Shyuum empire were just the races that would make up the Covenant and that the San'Shyuum were just rebuilding it with a religion to the Forerunners?
simple locust
Halo Wars was one of them, Honor guards a wraith variant to deal with flood in Forerunner structures.
gilded mason
In the long distant past, to clarify.
simple locust
Yes or presumably, it's a Halo 5 Warzone vehicle.
gilded mason
In the distant past, Zealots alone had the terrible responsibility of destroying parasite-tainted Forerunner gifts that ran amok after activation.
Of course, it could also refer to Forerunner machines infected with the logic plague.
humble yacht
that actually sounds more likely based on the description
gilded mason
Yeah.
gilded mason
I think they probably knew about the Flood since the beginning, or near it.
Since the Sacred Ring mythos references the Flood as well.
versed helm
Halo sucks
gilded mason
I know, right.
versed helm
Lol
terse lava
I figure the Covenant likely came across the flood within the first few decades/centuries of their existence
versed helm
Didn't seem like it in the game
And we see no mention of anything flood related in contact harvest. That book did show a lot about the covenant, but the flood isnt mentioned
And even in the book The Flood, the covies are quite surprised. Either that, or my memory banks pertaining to the book are now faulty
Just saw Ostral's comment
There is much I need to learn
slim thorn
If The Flood do appears then Hierarch and Sangheili surely are even more prepared to deal with it.
lethal comet
In CH it is said that the forerunners destroyed the parasite and ascended using the rings so the covenant knew about the flood only from forerunners scriptures I presume.
craggy sierra
“Scriptures”
Y’know I’ve seen in a documentary about how there are actual conversations by hazardous material disposing companies on how, in the event of total societal collapse, they could ensure that stuff that they marked as hazardous could be properly conveyed to future proto-cavemen.
Forerunners are kind of an example of why we have these conversations
Tbh I kinda like them for that. The more we learn about them, the more they come across as just being really short sighted, dumb, and arrogant and I like that angle for the ancient mysterious extinct alien race in a sci-fi setting.
carmine sleet
Aye, it shows that in their technological advancements and supremacy, they grew blind to things that would make obvious sense, which was ultimately their downfall
craggy sierra
Could’ve just put up a sign that said “hey dipsticks, press this button if space zombies happen to kill all life.” Instead they used a bunch of flowery words like “ascended” and put their trust in that an AI based off a sentient creature would have no issue going literal millenniums without any interaction whatsoever.
And like, I legitimately do like this depiction of them. It genuinely feels cleverly subversive of the expectations built up for them.
versed helm
This may sound dumb, but does the Xbox exist in Halo's universe?
craggy sierra
Nah, everyone’s a PC gamer in the 2500s
Actually they’re probably mobile gamers tbh
versed helm
Chad Dubbo streaming on PC.
craggy sierra
I think the only game we’ve gotten to see canonically exist in Halo is a mobile game
craggy sierra
No, Uggoy Farmer
I think it was a H5 advertisement but a TV had mention of it.
So there you go, mobiles finally did in consoles in 500 years
craggy sierra
Make Uggoy Farmer into like an SA2 chao garden for Halo Infinite
versed helm
We should get a rice farming mobile game, where you have to stop ONI from sabotaging your harvest.
carmine sleet
Make Unggoy Farmer into an actual separate release and I'll be at peace
craggy sierra
The one mobile game to truly destroy consoles in the 21st century
versed helm
I'm concerned to know what the harvest would actually be.
carmine sleet
A bountiful harvest that all the Grunts celebrate
steep steeple
and you also have to stop your harvest from being crushed by hunters
lethal comet
In your opinion what are the most hilarious UNSC ship names? I just found 'Do You Feel Lucky?'
versed helm
Not sure about ships but there is one for a planet: "Losing Hand". The UNSC refer to the residents as "Losers", lmfao.
steep steeple
what if the flood is real
lethal comet
then I am a monument to all your sins
sacred dew
The unsc " Bumrush"
lethal comet
nice
thin mango
I found a Halo game in an arcade, is that canon?
I wasn't able to play it tho
carmine sleet
Fireteam Raven is canon
thin mango
Never heard of it, how old is it?
thin mango
Oh
scarlet hinge
wow i posted that link and it got deleted
versed helm
It wasn't relevant to the channel, I guess.
carmine sleet
The bot sometimes takes down links it doesn't like, it's weird but happens
versed helm
It wasn't done by a bot because it was in here for a while.
carmine sleet
Shrugs No idea then
humble yacht
don't worry about it 🙂
carmine sleet
Roger that
versed helm
The emote just scares me.
So, was New Mombasa completely evacuated by the beginning of H3?
versed helm
So there's a chance that the Flood reached it?
humble yacht
even if they did, Rtas's fleet would have sterilized the zone
obsidian thistle
There was a 2nd and 3rd battle of New Mombasa anyhow. (The 2nd being the events in the Diorama, the 3rd happening during Halo 3)
versed helm
"Sterilised", he glassed everything he saw, lol.
Where did the diorama take place in New Mombasa?
humble yacht
wasn't the diorama non-canon
carmine sleet
I mean, it's the Flood, why wouldn't you glass everything you can to prevent the spread
versed helm
I know, I just thought that euphemism was funny.
obsidian thistle
The only odd thing in the Diorama is the whole John-117 being there.
(Which can have numerous reasons for it like the Will-043 theory)
versed helm
It's assumed that Will is the Spartan in the trailer?
obsidian thistle
Its one theory
limpid meadow
That's a theory I put together, but it's not canon in the least
obsidian thistle
(That I thought up and Toa here made a great vid expanding on it)
versed helm
That's certainly an interesting one.
limpid meadow
Just a fun idea that explains some canon oddities
obsidian thistle
Though honestly it can be any Male Spartan who was at Earth on paper.
versed helm
Has it been confirmed to be canon?
obsidian thistle
Believe. Yes
The events shown in the diorama. Not 100% without caveats. (Thats where us with the Will theory comes in)
FYI here is the source of the "Second Battle of New Mombasa" term https://www.halopedia.org/Archive:Jake_Courage
versed helm
Jake Courage sounds like an Uncharted character, lol.
carmine sleet
Sounds like a made up name
limpid meadow
All names are made up
obsidian thistle
Thats a whole other theory also tbh xD
versed helm
It could just be propaganda? Shocker...
obsidian thistle
I mean there is a theory that the JC as mentioned here is Jake Courage. https://www.halopedia.org/images/3/3f/X16-69909-01_back.jpg
limpid meadow
What's that one from?
obsidian thistle
Halseys Journal
carmine sleet
All names are made up
Fair point
obsidian thistle
The "A new threat?" card.
@limpid meadow
(IE the card that seemingly shows High Charity)
The thought is that Jake Courage is a "fictional" character by ONI.
And that the whole Believe Diorama is a fictitious to an extent as propaganda.
(So the Second Battle of New Mombasa happens. Just not as we see it with John-117)
versed helm
It's a pretty depressing form of propaganda, if you ask me.
obsidian thistle
Well the thought is.
versed helm
Only symbol of hope is John, everyone else is just screwed.
obsidian thistle
The Hero of Humanity leaves Earth during its hour of need for a Jolly to Delta Halo.
That does not inspire hope to the men still fighting on the ground.
*The recent ONI archive thing does put that theory to a lil iffiness however.
versed helm
I guess I'll just wait until something official has been confirmed.
limpid meadow
Well, it's confirmed that Believe is canon, just not in what capacity.
And while the new ONI Archives throws a wrench in certain theories about it, "Believe" is set in the 2600s, so a lot could have changed about how ONI approached the battle of Earth.
obsidian thistle
Many put it to 2610s propaganda. Some put it to events being changed over the years.
versed helm
As in, when the diorama was made or setting for the diorama itself?
obsidian thistle
Plus it could be that the Diorama is what the museum thinks to be reality
Happens a lot irl unfortunately.
limpid meadow
When the diorama was made.
versed helm
Thanks.
obsidian thistle
2607 to 2610
limpid meadow
And especially with who ONI did during HTT (or tried to do before Ben tried to do his own research), it doesn't seem that out of character for ONI to try to change the record years or decades later.
obsidian thistle
Yup.
In a side note for anyone who cares. The 3rd battle has a source. And for there to be a 3rd there needs to be a 2nd and 1st. https://www.halopedia.org/images/d/d7/LC_002_Doc_4.jpg
This is circa 2553
So the 2nd Battle of New Mombasa happened. Cant deny that
humble yacht
unless ONI pranking people
like when you release 2 pigs labeled 1 and 3 into a building and everyone is scrambling to find Pig 2
terse lava
Wait, that first report, 12 large vessels broadcasting outdated civilian IFF?
obsidian thistle
A lotta that Loot Crate Data Drop isnt known yet
Such as the Mars stuff that some people believe is tied to the Forum Catalog events.
versed helm
I'd prefer it if they were black and white about lore like that.
versed helm
I think that's only suitable for the books with their narratives.
obsidian thistle
Eh. A lotta these Data drops were made seemingly to tease, hint, leave breadcrumbs and threads for future media. If any pull them great, if none dont its not the end of the world.
They are not vital. But provide a lil extra enjoyment to those who paid attention to odd nicks and knacks like this.
versed helm
For a universe as big as this, I personally dislike it.
obsidian thistle
Why? Leaving threads open allows for later media to pull them?
versed helm
I just like clarity.
obsidian thistle
I would feel that allows for bigger narratives.
Clarity can not exist without mystery to spur it
obsidian thistle
Eh true that I suppose. I more dislike if the threads take 8 years to be pulled. XD (There is a ref there that some may understand lol)
carmine sleet
Mysteries are always worth discussing. Like, it allows for speculation and theories to form
versed helm
Not to everyone, people value things differently.
versed helm
What do you think happened to the Spartan 2s who tried to escape from the UNSC?
I know that Joseph-122 was caught but, there isn't much clarity on what happened to him.
civic grotto
I'm not super caught up, but I'm pretty sure most of 'em were taken out?
versed helm
They were executed?!
gilded mason
I know that Joseph-122 was caught but, there isn't much clarity on what happened to him.```
He, Ralph, and Daisy were caught. Ralph was released back into the civilian world while Daisy and Joe decided to stay with the program.Thanks.
brisk badger
Hey,What are chief’s best feats for powerscaling
clever fable
wut
versed helm
Cheif compared to another Spartan/other character to show his power-level
main siren
^
humble yacht
Master chief punched a nuke to death so scale his power to a havok
main siren
Honestly, the whole discussions behind power scaling are dumb. Its nothing more than pointless talk about "My favorite character is better than your favorite character"
humble yacht
If you swapped Chief and Cortana with Link and Navi, do you think each pair could survive in the other’s universe?
main siren
I never played Zelda, so I can't tell
humble yacht
The premise of Ocarina of Time is a green boi and his blue helper save the world from destruction
clever fable
The image of a 1 tonne giant zipping around Kakariko on a hookshot is pretty amusing.
humble yacht
Spartans weigh half a ton
clever fable
yeah im mixing lbs and kgs there
humble yacht
Smh
clever fable
my brain go big dumb
terse lava
Well we know he deflected a missile with Cortana's help, and could equal a strong ranger in zero g. So his power would be OVER 9000
hybrid verge
Neither would survive the others universe
torpid lily
Why is buck all skinny and s|| no swear words!|| on the last mission of ODST?
carmine sleet
Buck isn't suddenly skinny at the end of ODST, Sponge
unique rune
That, uh. I don’t think that makes things any more clear.
stiff creek
He's askin' why he's covered in bugger bits an' juices.
spiral jewel
Even though she ended service in 2552, a part of me feels like the AI "Kalmiya" is running around somewhere , and I don't have an explanation as to why I have this feeling
versed helm
Don't AI have to be a copy of a human brain to live an function?
So is Roland just a random dude who they dressed in a random ww2 uniform?
carmine sleet
Roland chose to look like that
versed helm
I quite like that appearance, I wonder if any AI will choose the appearance of a mythological god at some point.
slim thorn
Actually, I like how Buck keep ranting but it's a pity now he got nobody to listens to :v
cyan thunder
I quite like that appearance, I wonder if any AI will choose the appearance of a mythological god at some point.
Didn't Deja have some sort of Greek appearance?
Is there a list of confirmed Rampant AIs or which have sided with cortana? Like Isabel seemed pretty nuts, Sloane had sides her. I'm not sure about BB and others
unborn mirage
Didn't Deja have some sort of Greek appearance?
Is there a list of confirmed Rampant AIs or which have sided with cortana? Like Isabel seemed pretty nuts, Sloane had sides her. I'm not sure about BB and others
@cyan thunder Yes, Deja appeard as an Ancient Greek goddess
carmine sleet
Like Isabel seemed pretty nuts,
Isabel has not joined the Created
cyan thunder
Yeah I know she hasn't but rage is a stage of rampancy
carmine sleet
Is there any concept art of the Spirit of Fire?
Yes, check Halopedia, they likely have images of it
Yeah I know she hasn't but rage is a stage of rampancy
Isabel isn't rampant and being rampant does not mean an AI will join the Created. It's just one of the appeals to joining the Created is that an AI will be allowed to live for much longer than they would if they didn't
vale pendant
Did humanity have a backup plan in case the covenant won? I mean, we where at war and being exterminated by a covenant who would do anything to wipe out the last humans.
Did humanity have a backup plan, like an exodus, like an Mass Effect Andromeda, where they would send out ships to settle places
Secondly:
How advanced where the mechanics of the halo array, for the forunners to build it? Was it the most advanced tech the forerunners had to build? Did it take a long time to build? Surely they had to figure out how the pulse where to work, and how it would kill life?
terse lava
Infinity was the back up. A glorified lifeboat sent to another area of the galaxy. But the Covenant got to earth before it was finished
vale pendant
if there where enough prometheans, would the didact have been able to stop the flood?
or would it still be not enough
versed helm
The only way to stop the Flood is to starve it, or blow them all up in one spot.
terse lava
^ pretty much that. Even if the didact had countless trillions of promethans, he would have to hit the flood all at once across the galaxy to stand a chance of victory
vale pendant
okay and my question how the halo tech worked?
How advanced where the mechanics of the halo array, for the forunners to build it? Was it the most advanced tech the forerunners had to build? Did it take a long time to build? Surely they had to figure out how the pulse where to work, and how it would kill life?
terse lava
Again ^
versed helm
Wait, that's illegal.
Did the Sangheili have civilian vehicles? Or did they just use local mammals as transport?
carmine sleet
I believe there was a civilian version of the Remnant in one of the Kilo 5 novels
Someone would have to double check that though
unique rune
I don’t recall for sure when it’s brought up but yeah I remember there being some sort of demilitarized Revenant mentioned.
versed helm
I see.
last anchor
Late to the party but if I had to guess Isabels suffering from what we might call the AI equivilent of PTSD.
Considering that she was created entirely as a logistical support and staffing AI (hence her look as a mechanic with the boots and the tank-top) and then witnessed everyone she worked with get murdered by the banished...
@carmine sleet You're thinking of the one from Oasis I think, but yes. If you remove the plasma mortar from it, a Revenant becomes the Covenant equivilent of a two-person car.
NGL I always imagined it as some kind of like officers vehicle or staff car, considering how there seemed to be some kind of command/control thing on the side seat.
stiff creek
I always called a weaponless revenant the 60's car.
versed helm
Thank you, Orca.
stiff creek
Could've just been a dank bumper camera though.
median valley
If the UNSC had finished the Prototype Suit research, do you guys think it would have turned the tide of war against the Covenant?
stoic hamlet
no
carmine sleet
Someone asked a similar question ages ago and honestly, I don't think it would at all, given how many Covenant victories were won by them glassing planets
Like, the Prototype ain't gonna do much against a Covenant ship in orbit
median valley
Yeah, I guess so. Just curious.
stoic hamlet
flat out, it was a massive, unnecessary waste f resources that could have been better spent elsewhere on more important areas, like the Navy.
most of the infantry stuff was including the Spartans. And I mean both generations, to be clear.
last anchor
They did kinda complete it. Its sister projects lead to the Cyclops and the Mantis and now the Colossus.
But again; the UNSC could hold the Covenant on the ground just fine. It was their sheer superiority in space that really was the butt kicking.
carmine sleet
The Mantis wasn't the finished version of the prototype
It was what the prototype eventually evolved into due to various factors
opaque heart
Well that's a little confusing then because the prototype suit is known as the HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL Mark I and the Mantis is the HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL Mark IX
carmine sleet
That's because the Mark IX isn't the same as the Mark I
opaque heart
Like I said.... it's a bit confusing
limpid meadow
What's confusing? The exosuit's design evolved as it was iterated on.
Nevermind that all the data on the Mark I was deleted so the project essentially started over with the Mark II
Now I'll grant you, that the HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL Mark II looks almost identical to the Mantis is a bit odd.
carmine sleet
Aye, yeah, that is really odd
limpid meadow
That said, the Mark IX Mantis looks to have evolved from a [D] variant of the Mark II, not unlike how the HRUNTING Mark III was based on the Mark III exosuit, which then became the basis for the HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL project
So there seems to be a lot of lateral design iteration within the Marks that resulted in the Mark IX Mantis.
carmine sleet
Aye, that would be the logical guess. I just wonder what each of those were
limpid meadow
We don't know the full scope of the HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL project, so it's possible there were multiple teams working with different designs with different end goals.
Or in other words, there might be no connection between "The Prototype" and the Mantis other than the project name.
obsidian thistle
The Mantis is weird however. A pre-HRUNTING/YGGRASIL variant must exist
fair hazel
im still aw that UNSC ships arent standared equipped with huragok
obsidian thistle
Huragok are rare
fair hazel
dont have to be
limpid meadow
The more common they are, the more likely they are to be stolen.
The more likely they are to be stolen, the stronger your security for them has to be.
The stronger the security, the close you are to something like the Covenant explosive vest.
humble yacht
naughty naughty
plush ledge
Who thinks that we will eventually get some insight on the precursor's existence in halo infinite?
queen otter
Doubt it.
carmine sleet
Precursors are very deep lore that wouldn't really make sense to try and explain in a Halo game
queen otter
Also that would just make new players confused. I know they are pushing the narrative that you can play Infinite without previous knowledge of any other halo game.
So to have something so deep in lore it wouldn’t make sense to them.
plush ledge
Yee that makes sense...
queen otter
And I also doubt any other rumor or speculation that mendicant bias or any other technical character that’s been rumored probably won’t happen.
plush ledge
Well like in..... I think it was halo 3 or halo 2 I forget sometimes, through those little terminals that you find in some places it shows little data logs and journal entire sort things that some ppl believed were something written by mendicant bias, and if not that, even if it may be deeper into lore the flood may provide some insite into that, or maybe even cortana may mention something but in a different form of words... Who knows tbh
Halo brings many surprises, I hope we get some silly easter eggs with lore or just fun ones like in Halo 3 and ODST
main siren
Terminals made their debut in Halo 3
cyan thunder
Terminals returned in H2A but the medicant bias Terminals were all H3
Shame that it would be unlikely to see him appear though, and I'm not sure how they'd make a sixth game in the (master chief) series without needing some form of backstory, it just may not be as deep.into the lore as four and five were
queen otter
I mean it essentially starts how CE did. Chief is big tired and wakes up from his nap. And gets straight into action. We can assume it won’t really expand upon complicated lore.
grave swift
I don't see Bias playing a CURRENT and active role in any future game. The best you can hope for is a terminal or some kind of story-based collectible to include them (likely given this is Installation 07) as a background story that influences the current plot. Either way, 3 implies sending Chief off was their lact act.
main siren
I do find it a bit weird that Halo Infinite is meant to be a starting point for new players when Installation 07 has a very rich and intimate history with the Halo universe
queen otter
None of that will be essential though. Unless if some way they incorporate flood. But that still wouldn’t mean essential external lore, those questions surrounding Installation 07 will likely be answered in game.
craggy sierra
I’ve said it before but so many of Halo’s narrative issues game to game could be solved for new players if they just added a “previously on Halo” button on the main menu to give you a tl;dr of the games up to then.
H3 should’ve had that in 2007 tbh.
queen otter
Or just add it as the first cutscene.
craggy sierra
I mean that would probably irk people who’ve followed the series consistently up to that point if it was forced.
queen otter
I wouldn’t mind it. It’s just a cutscene. You are going to see plenty more of those while you are playing campaign.
Or just give it a skippable option. But then I’d feel like new players would skip it and be like “I have no clue what’s going on or why I am where I am.”
craggy sierra
Sometimes a game story can benefit from just being able to drop you into the deep end with trust you know what came before it.
queen otter
What if there’s new players that don’t understand? I think they really need to focus on this.
craggy sierra
Basically I’m just parroting the idea DMCV had where it had the “previously on DMC” option on the main menu that gave you a six minute run down of all 4 of the previous DMC games in broad strokes.
The option is there for new players entering into the game while veterans can just go right into it
queen otter
It would be nice if they did a starting cutscene with “previously on halo” explaining everything so it can be new player friendly. I don’t see how it would hurt.
craggy sierra
Main menu option doesn’t hurt either
queen otter
No of course not.
I just find it odd that it would be a main menu option.
But it works
So that’s all that matters
high pendant
So a spartan 2 vs a spartan 4
......
How does a spartan 4 match that
Just.....how?!?!
queen otter
I’m guessing you played H5
high pendant
Yep
queen otter
Well Spartan IIs are stronger but Chief makes all the wrong moves.
high pendant
And I'm just so lost as to how a spartan 4 can match the chad spartan 2
queen otter
Rewatch it. Chief could’ve won but never covered his face.
high pendant
The choreography was so off
queen otter
But I’m pretty sure they were just trying to make Locke seem BA
queen otter
I mean. If any thing it made Chief look stupid.
high pendant
He would wreck the entire team
queen otter
Idk about that one
high pendant
He could tho
queen otter
Not all at once.
queen otter
If that was happening all at once Chief would be beat.
high pendant
Hes a badass spartan 2
He was trained when he was 6
They were normal soldiers
Till they became spartans
Like wtf
queen otter
If Locke can take on Chief I’m sure Chief wouldn’t win against all of them.
high pendant
I still bet he could
queen otter
Why? That’s makes no sense.
high pendant
They just insulted everything the spartan 2s were
queen otter
If Locke beat Chief what makes you think he could take on 3 more Spartans?
high pendant
Spartan 4s shouldn't stand a chance
queen otter
Depends on the choices they make in the fight.
queen otter
I mean Spartan IIs aren’t ALL that stronger.
queen otter
I think you are insinuating that Spartan IIs are infinitely stronger.
high pendant
They were trained to be pillage hungry murder machines
queen otter
All Spartans are trained to be lethal
queen otter
Well Locke won. There’s nothing we can do about that.