It is also anecdotal.
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
grave swift
We're still talking kids being sold on the idea of being heroes while the real people in charge viewed them as fire and forget weapons to buy the rest of humanity time.
versed helm
Look at Emile.
grave swift
We dont start that at the age of 4 for our military.
stoic hamlet
That’s the military for all of human history.
It’s nothing new.
True
But the same ideas apply.
You think a politician cares about some PBI in a trench halfway across the world?
grave swift
I'd say there is a major difference between being essentially raised by the military and being indoctrinated into being a hero and, say, simple civilian expsoure.
versed helm
I don't think that Emile was ever driven by the intent of protecting people from the Covenant, he was even going to be replaced by another 3 because of how brutal his methods were with human enemies. I guess he could be an exception though.
stoic hamlet
Just, it really isn’t anything we haven’t seen in history. Greece, Rome, Egypt, Feudal Knights.......
grave swift
My problem is looking at the IIIs as if they had a real choice in the matter. Tie in years of indoctrination and specifically targeting motivations and it isn't like if you or I were given the same choice.
grave swift
And ONI came to them as young as 4.
versed helm
For the 3s?
stoic hamlet
Correct
grave swift
The IIIs, yes. Though some like Carter were 12, I think? Bungie screwed up the age thing.
stoic hamlet
Really annoyed that hasn’t been retconned, tbh.
versed helm
Carter was one of the oldest Spartan 3s.
stoic hamlet
And it’s incredibly dubious that they’d take someone so old.
grave swift
Granted, I can KINDA see why they might get some older kids involved. They could be looked up to by the younger ones and assume leadership positions. But thats still a stretch especially given the nature of the augmentations.
stoic hamlet
Unless carter was in Cryo for so long he didn’t age past 7/8.....but even then.
grave swift
Oh Bungie, picking and choosing and yet ruining your own canon.
versed helm
Gameplay was always prioritised over lore.
grave swift
Wouldn't have been hard to just make him 6 lol
gilded mason
Yeah, aging him down wouldn't effect gameplay
stoic hamlet
Still really want an explanation
versed helm
Maybe they wanted to enforce a mature image for him?
grave swift
He'd still look the same though regardless.
stoic hamlet
If he is as old as his bio says he is, and Kat is the typical age of a III.....and they didn’t meet until 2545.....and what Bungie jokingly hinted at was true.......
Well, it’s not a great thought, lol.
versed helm
Wait, your problem here is based off of superficial aspects?
I thought this was about his personality.
stoic hamlet
Hmm? Our problem is he shouldn’t be alive.
grave swift
I don't see how that would matter for personality either.
stoic hamlet
Oh that was more a joke.
Poorly phrased
But meant as a joke.
The problem is his age means he potentially had major augmentation issues.
versed helm
Wait, what did Bungie hint?
stoic hamlet
That he and Kat had a relationship.
grave swift
Just picturing him as a 12 year old towering over the 4 year olds makes me chuckle though
versed helm
They have a dynamic, that's all I see.
stoic hamlet
But he’d have been 25 at the youngest and she 14 at the oldest.
Yeah, they were joking, but clear indication they did not think things through, lol.
versed helm
Jesus Christ.
I'd like to think that their dynamic was a makeshift brother and sister relationship.
stoic hamlet
At any rate, the issue of his age is one I really want 343/whoever worked on his bio to explain. Or at least try to.
Not from an in-universe perspective, but from an out of universe one.
Because like, a lot of it is really unnecessary and clashes with everything else.
versed helm
When you say "out of universe", are you referring to a potential retcon?
stoic hamlet
I’d be very happy if that was the case.
But really I just want to know their reasoning.
grave swift
Honestly, they could just adjust the date for his age and it wouldn't hurt anything.
versed helm
I suggest that you watch the developers commentary that Bungie did for Reach (if you haven't already), they tie up some loose ends and provide some insight.
stoic hamlet
Nothing on the age discrepancy though.
versed helm
It's a very controversial topic (now that you mentioned the hint), I'd like to think that nothing happened between them.
versed helm
I certainly wouldn't, I would object to more lore being established for B-312 though.
versed helm
That's the only member of Noble Team who I don't want to receive external treatment for.
He is, yes.
This was hidden in the menu background for Reach when it launched on MCC, it displayed a small profile for B-312.
I wonder if they'll ever make scores from the games canonically exist in Halo's universe. Can you imagine a segment where a group of ODSTs are listening to We're The Desperate Measures?
carmine sleet
Well, the chanting we hear at the beginning of the Halo theme is a Covenant prayer
versed helm
Presumably sung by the San'Shyuum, yes?
carmine sleet
Aye, we hear Regret singing it in Halo 2 before Cortana translates it
versed helm
Martin O'Donnell even stated that the Prophet of Regret- yeah...
carmine sleet
Then we have the track, Covenant Prayer (Huh) from Halo 5, that's also canon, with there being Grunts on the mission Battle of Sunaion singing it next to a Guardian hologram
versed helm
Oh, to add more detail to what you said, Regret actually sings a part of H2's theme.
I can provide a link as a reference for this, if you are curious.
carmine sleet
Sure
carmine sleet
Thanks
versed helm
It's very brief but I thought it was interesting nonetheless.
Martin even stated that he acquired a different group of monks to sing the melody for H2.
carmine sleet
I'm now imagining Marty going to a monastery and kidnapping a bunch of monks to make them sing the theme and claiming he "acquired them"
versed helm
Lmao.
carmine sleet
But seriously, don't kidnap monks, they'll likely beat you up
versed helm
Apparently, the Hunters were originally supposed to be the heretics in The Arbiter too. Yeah, I know from watching Johnny English.
carmine sleet
Aye, I am curious as to how different those missions would've been if they did go with the Lekgolo Heretics idea. And I was thinking more along the lines of monks from Eastern cultures
versed helm
Ah, well that's why one of the Elites in Uprising (I think) puts emphasis on the Hunters helping them.
I'm sure that someone lurking here will correct me if I am wrong...
Hey I'm curious about Elite Special forces
Did squads have special names?
Who was their direct commander? Like the ship master?
light quail
Considering the size of the Halo ships, is it possibly for black holes to affect them or are the UNSC and Covenant ships just too big?
last anchor
Black holes effect everything man.
Nothing escapes gravity. It is the one True Force
gilded mason
Ships are very miniscule compared to a black hole's pull
light quail
Sorry, I honestly don’t know how big an average black hole is 😓
last anchor
Big.
Really big.
Stupidly huge.
gilded mason
If not even light can escape a black hole, nothing can.
light quail
But could they use slipspace to escape the pull?
last anchor
Theoretically, but gravitational pulls muck with slipspace something FIERCE
mind you, you cant HIDE a black hole, the acretion disk it creats as it eats literally everything around it can be seen for BILLIONS of AUs
We can see black holes here on earth with telescopes that are stupidly long distances away
light quail
Okay, so if a ship does get suck in, would they get crushed from the gravitational pull?
gilded mason
Yes.
last anchor
Not till they reach the event horizon, at which point the entire thing would undergo spagettification
Yes, thats the term
carmine sleet
Being turned into spaghetti is not a fate you want to meet
last anchor
Eugh, Im getting the heebies just thinking about it...
light quail
_<
last anchor
They ANIMATED it for a Nova show once.
God that gave me nightmares when I was a kid.
Eugh. And eugh again.
anyway moving on; nothing messes with a black hole. Certainly nothing in the Halo universe, except PERHAPS the Precursors
light quail
Not even the forerunners?
versed helm
What tech in Halo could sustain that?
light quail
The Didact’s ship? Not the composer but that sphere thing
versed helm
It's survived being sucked into a black hole?
light quail
No, I’m saying could it?
last anchor
Nah, Cryptums are tought but they aint THAT tough
carmine sleet
The Didact’s ship? Not the composer but that sphere thing
Cryptums would not survive in a black hole
versed helm
Does the strength of hardlight vary?
light quail
Wait, now I’m a bit curious. Are the Precursors basically gods/ creators? Or just a very old and advanced race?
carmine sleet
Depends on what's producing the hardlight. Like, the hardlight shields used on the Ark to prevent the UNSC and the Covie separatists from reaching Truth and his loyalists would be much stronger than a Promethean Watcher's hardlight shield
last anchor
Depends on what its designed to stop or do. Most Forerunner structures have hardlight composition to them
And its indistinguishable from concrete or metal in many cases
versed helm
I'm pretty sure that the Precursors are just a very old race.
They're described as primordial.
Depends on what's producing the hardlight. Like, the hardlight shields used on the Ark to prevent the UNSC and the Covie separatists from reaching Truth and his loyalists would be much stronger than a Promethean Watcher's hardlight shield
Ah, I see, does shape also come into play?
last anchor
Probably
carmine sleet
It's possible but not the most important factor
versed helm
How does it work again? The photons are solidified somehow, right?
last anchor
TO HALOPEDIA
versed helm
Lmfao.
last anchor
as-yet unexplained interplay between coherent, high-energy light and gas particles, such as air.
Thats...about all we got
versed helm
I'm immediately thinking of that clip where a group of dogs are walking in unison while the LoTR theme plays.
carmine sleet
There is real world efforts by scientists to make light act like a solid object
versed helm
By structuring the photons into the formation of a solid?
humble yacht
high energy light is gamma rays
light quail
There is so much math, history and science to Halo (so much lore) now from when I first played that Halo should have a course to better understand everything 😂🤣
last anchor
Halo 101. Make it happen people
humble yacht
Wizard 101 didn't teach me jack about magic
last anchor
Its a kids MMO, those tend to have various issues
versed helm
high energy light is gamma rays
Are you referring to my inclusion of the term "photons"?
humble yacht
photon is just a term that applies to the particle side of light
versed helm
I was just making sure because that's what I was referring to.
I was trying to avoid confusion.
humble yacht
since light has both properties of particles and waves
the energy of a photon is inversely proporptional to its wavelength
i.e. high energy means low wavelength
gamma rays are among the lowest wavelength forms of light
humble yacht
dunno
versed helm
It would be a very bad idea.
versed helm
Yes, I'm well aware.
humble yacht
but then again, they aren't confined to a single shape normally
wouldn't it be neat if you could smack an enemy with a hardlight shield and give them cancer/organ failure?
versed helm
That's the problem, trying to use that form of light would have serious effects on the biological life nearby.
Accelerated space cancer?
humble yacht
only if light leaks out of the hardlight construct
i assume hardlight constructs don't leak
versed helm
I hope so.
Otherwise our next biggest enemy in Infinite will be the sequence for Chief's DNA.
humble yacht
You know what’s odd. Promethean hardlight bullets are red. Red is a lower energy form of light than blue
For maximum punch, hard light should be purple
If you want to still be able to see the bullets, at least
versed helm
Yeah, wouldn't infra-red be the most lethal?
versed helm
Ah.
humble yacht
violet light is the highest energy light on the visible spectrum
versed helm
What about for the invisible side?
humble yacht
Infrared is just after radio waves in terms of energy
versed helm
Thanks, I forgot about that.
You just reminded me it because you mentioned the term "invisible".
humble yacht
Visible light accounts for only a small portion of the light spectrum
Most light is not visible
versed helm
Yeah, that I remember, lol.
That being said, how does the Promethean weaponry cause the whole body to disintegrate like that?
Unless, now this will sound stupid, what if the hardlight is so powerful to cause the whole body to have breakages in their genetic sequences that causes the body to rapidly decompose?
humble yacht
Decomposition wouldn’t be the result of dna damage
versed helm
Isn't there a gene for cell age though?
humble yacht
Cell death, yes, but it would present as catastrophic organ failure
That’s what radiation poisoning is
No there is no gene for cell age
Your cell’s “age” is determined by telomere length
last anchor
Your thinking of telomere yeah
And thats why Lobsters are effectively immortal, cause theirs dont shorten
humble yacht
the real miracle is that they manage to not get cancer
but they're not actually immortal
versed helm
I think he was exaggerating to make a point.
humble yacht
technically lobster telomeres do shorten, but they have an enzyme that restores the telomeres that in humans is only expressed in stem cells
versed helm
How does it perform that?
humble yacht
it literally adds the repeated nucleotide sequence on the ends of telomeres
versed helm
Oh, lmfao.
humble yacht
but in mammals, longevity due to telomerase usually leads to cancer
so its impressive that lobsters don't suffer that fate
versed helm
Is that due to mistakes being frequently made in new cells?
versed helm
Oof.
humble yacht
telomeres in mammals function as a little timer for the cell that tells it when to die so it doesn't become cancerous
light quail
So, I want to know your guys' opinion even though this is a Halo fan discord but how would the UNSC fare against the Mass Effect Universe? Ground and naval combat? Not Post-War UNSC though
versed helm
To perform apoptosis, right?
humble yacht
apoptosis is one result, yes
versed helm
That's the self induced death, from what I can recall.
versed helm
How do they actually do that? Just cease the organelles from functioning?
humble yacht
they package the organelles into lysosomes and break them down
versed helm
By the way, did some of the Spartan 2 recruits die from organ failure?
last anchor
Wouldnt be surprised if some did
versed helm
I'm wondering if the extension of their telomeres caused them to die.
Like, what if the cells in their bodies performed apoptosis because they didn't know what to do with this new information?
humble yacht
That’s unlikely
versed helm
Do you think that the cells were just overwhelmed by the drugs?
Or what if they were just experiencing so much pain that it caused their brains to shut down in response?
light quail
I mean it varied from person to person
You got people like Fhajad
who had to be escorted out by wheelchair because it hurt to move if I'm correct
versed helm
Oh yeah, wasn't he paralysed from the waist down?
light quail
I'm pretty sure but its been around 3-4? years since I've read the book
maybe longer
humble yacht
Musa is the spartan 2 most known for being paralyzed
versed helm
Ah, I see.
I remember seeing some who had nose bleeds after death, doesn't that indicate brain damage?
light quail
You also had Red team that had their bodies rejecting the first round of augmentations but were rehabilitated and managed to succeed the second time
versed helm
Was the augmentation process painful for the Spartan 4s?
light quail
probably, was much more safer though
versed helm
I just remember what Buck said about the new traits he gained from them. I'm unsure if he stated that the process was painful.
light quail
Well, they did have their strength and speed increased (muscular/skeletal tissues reinforced as well as stretched/legthened), (multiple organs modified), (nervous system boosted), and much more
There is no doubt there would be quite an uncomfortable/painful adjustment period
versed helm
Some Spartan 4s were selected but some enrolled, yes?
light quail
I thought they were all selected from existing UNSC military groups
versed helm
Was Thorne a Marine or something then?
humble yacht
Some were recruited, others went on their own for evaluation
light quail
Thorne was UNSC army
humble yacht
Palmer was scouted by Jun
versed helm
Right, couldn't Marcus Stacker be selected?
versed helm
That's such a shame.
light quail
Chips Dubbo o . o
light quail
I know
fair hazel
I dont think age has THAT much effect, perhaps in some canddiates but
Spartans are expected to be still prime even after being a hundred
paraphrasing
versed helm
I think that Stacker is at least in his late 40s or even early 50s by now.
humble yacht
Stacker was more likely in his 50s-60s
light quail
Its crazy to remember that Johnson was in his 60-70s during Halo 3 and he seemed as fit as hell. So Stacker should have been fine
versed helm
To be fair, his age is left ambiguous, Chimera.
humble yacht
And while Spartans can stay in their prime for longer, if your out of your prime before becoming a spartan, that’s different
versed helm
What if Stacker was a part of the ORION Project?
humble yacht
Buck was probably just on the cusp of leaving his prime before augmentation
versed helm
Is that 343i's excuse for him being an underdog in Fireteam Osiris?
gilded mason
Its crazy to remember that Johnson was in his 60-70s during Halo 3 and he seemed as fit as hell
Remember that by his own admission, Johnson probably spent about a half to a third of his life in cryo.
light quail
true :/
versed helm
Do you think there's a possibility that Stacker was a member of the ORION Program?
fair hazel
Not thaat many
craggy tusk
how does the heretic leader's holograms attack you?
in others words how does a hologram shoot plasma rifles
inland vessel
Atm Space magic
There might be a reason somewhere along the line
I'd have a guess and say programmable matter or Hard Light
But it is very weird
craggy tusk
maybe spark helped him find a way to suspend plasma rifles in the air and fire them using hard light?
inland vessel
Seems a bit impractical.
Also I believe the Holo-drone is reversed engineered Covenant technology
glacial dock
Wait are we talking about the heretic from halo 2?
craggy tusk
yes
sturdy star
Did we get to Europa in the halo verse yet?
humble yacht
Considering they’ve made it to other star systems, I’m sure the UNSC is capable of traveling to Europa if they want
simple locust
So is there any known combat underwater or in the water? Other than near liquids?
last anchor
Theres at least two, possibly three MJLONIR platforms designed for high density liquid combat.
MAKO and OCEANIC I think...
Or not Oceanic, something like it. It had the big diving visor on it I really kinda liked
terse lava
@simple locustwe know blue team took part in a aquatic mission to deal with covenant forces in the chixilub crater off the gulf of Mexico. And the Covenant empire itself was known to have aquatic banshees, and likely other underwater variants of their land vehicles
simple locust
I recall the Yonhet are amphibians so could they potentially fight underwater without suits?
Also did those Banshees shoot plasma or other projectiles?
I Bungie's marathon games underwater combat was in the game series. Only melee and melee weapons could deal damage underwater to enemies, the plasma pistol equivalent dealt damage to the plat if shot underwater. Other weapons could not be use. The enemies only used melees.
terse lava
I would assume plasma, it would just boil the water around it before impacting.
glacial dock
Does teleportation exist in Halo?
Like you can move between two locations instantly
gilded mason
We see it used in games like CE, 2, and others, but unknown if it's "instant".
simple locust
Yes. Regret can teleport.
terse lava
The spires in Halo reach were r also capable of teleporting down drop ships and troops
simple locust
A lot in Halo Wars as well. More so in multiplayer though.
jolly furnace
Slipspace translocation appears to be both near-instant and not depending on the situation or scene or source.
HCE - GS transporting MC around appears to not be since they appear to having a conversation while teleporting.
However GS is also seen in a terminals seemingly teleporting between locations near-instantly or with only seconds delay
Other slipspace teleportation appears instant such as Requiem and Mantle's Approach's portal system
Also the portal between Shield World 006 and Hesduros seemed near-instant and that was between star systems
simple locust
How does the non-slipspace teleportation by the flood before the rings fired worked?
simple locust
I mean the other way, the ships destroyed by the asteroids.
terse lava
True
eternal oriole
Sooooooooo, quick question, From what I understand, 6 survived the elite onslaught and managed to find a cave, survive the initial glassing, then got killed by maybe more elites or something, correct?
carmine sleet
No. Six did not find a cave. He was killed by the Elites we see in that cutscene
versed helm
The Cave is a Lie
carmine sleet
The whole cave theory came about from people who are so desperate for the character to live that they will come up with anything to claim he's alive
round comet
The whole cave theory came about from people who are so desperate for the character to live that they will come up with anything to claim he's alive
@carmine sleet
i think it originated from a meme
a meme that evolved into a theory
stiff creek
Probably.
versed helm
Would be a little on the nose for both old sgt.s to be spartan Is
You really think so?
versed helm
What is a "latchkey discovery" in Halo?
Its just a phrase I'm pretty sure, it just means you found something extremely important to unlock something else
It also has no real meaning in the Universe as a whole, it was more of a plot device
Ah, thanks anyway.
past olive
yeah, 6 died when the zealot stabbed him at the end of Reach
stiff creek
Energy dagger go swwshhh
versed helm
I'll never forgive those... monsters.
craggy sierra
A lot of people in the universe have been trying to.
Could be worse, they could’ve killed someone with a relatable personality.
versed helm
But I'm bland and quiet.
lethal comet
Did Avery and Al Cygni ever get into a relationship or was the freighter thing a one time?
versed helm
I think it was just a "one night stand".
@lethal comet You're referring to the ending of CH, right?
versed helm
It's why I stopped reading after the first few lines, lol.
lethal comet
I was expecting a kiss but that works too
versed helm
Halopedia states that the duration of their relationship was left ambiguous.
I hope this helps.
lethal comet
Am about to start the cole protocol
versed helm
The book?
humble yacht
nah, the actually cole protocol
he's under attack and has to protect the location of earth
good luck soldier o7
lethal comet
Excuse me I have to purge the data now
carmine sleet
Make sure to destroy any AI you have just in case
hollow jungle
Halo 2 happens 28 days after Halo 1, Halo 2 takes 28 days and then2 weeks after that halo 3 starts. meaning Halo 1, 2 and 3 all happen in 153 days
versed helm
Thanks, Stig.
hollow jungle
Took me more than a month to beat halo 2 the first time 🙃 chief is a beast
versed helm
That makes me question something about ODST though, when does the Great Schism occur on Earth?
Someone suggested that Truth had Brutes prepared for the betrayal already, I'm unsure about this though.
hollow jungle
theres quite abit of a backstory behind all that stuff lol
versed helm
I'm aware, is there any detailing why we see dead Elites a few hours after Regret left New Mombasa though?
hollow jungle
Truth shunned the elites
and didnt want the elites to be apart of the earth victory
so he had the brutes kill the elites on earth
but thats like
a MAJOR TLDR
humble yacht
The elites left behind by regret had no way of contacting other elites in other areas of the galaxy, they were cut off and vulnerable for early disposal
hollow jungle
Our boy arbiter pulling a whole species worth of vengeance on his shoulders
versed helm
No wonder he's a hinge head...
versed helm
Yes, he's the only Elite who I trust.
hollow jungle
And I like how the halo 2 is a parralel
chief is getting the highest honours
while arbiter is getting punished
versed helm
Mmhmm.
humble yacht
Ironically he’s also the one elite responsible for the most human deaths in the war
hollow jungle
which leads them to eventually meet eachother and form a bond
yeah
lol
with the guys he killed the most of
he realises the prophets are absolutely out of their minds
versed helm
Yes, he is, but I think he really cares about establishing peace with the humans.
versed helm
I don't trust him at all, he is a cool character though. He seems to view the humans as a nuisance.
Don't ODSTs receive G force training that is similar to what NASA astronauts experience?
Where they have the mechanical frame spin in circles?
humble yacht
I imagine they’re training would be greater than modern day astronauts
lethal comet
They practice staying conscious in Increased gravity
humble yacht
Then again, since halo ships have artificial gravity, it almost seems unnecessary for your standard marine
lethal comet
Untrained marines can pass out in HEVs
versed helm
Yeah, I imagine that drop pods do not provide artificial gravity fields.
humble yacht
No, not the pods
But the pods can only fall at a max of 1G (depending on what G is for a planet)
versed helm
Which is what I was originally referring to, sorry I should have clarified that.
humble yacht
Most likely less than 1G when you take into account drag
versed helm
In the drop sequence?
humble yacht
Yes
versed helm
I'm unsure about that.
humble yacht
Drop pods aren’t propelled
They fall due to gravity alone
And then air resistance and the air brakes further slow the decent
versed helm
So, they're placed just on the edge of a planet's atmosphere before drops?
humble yacht
They’re dropped from within the gravitational pull
versed helm
It looks like they're launched at first though.
humble yacht
Nah they’re just released
versed helm
Ah, I see.
versed helm
Yeah, that's why I mentioned it.
humble yacht
Well then, gravity training would be helpful for that
versed helm
As in what I mentioned earlier or simulated low gravity environments?
humble yacht
More like simulated high gravity, but who knows
I imagine they have more sophisticated grav training than the rotor modern astronauts use. It’s the future, after all
glacial dock
Are spartans and elites equally balanced in the lore or is one better than the other?
Like I am talking about combat capability
like armor, shields, how well they do combat
versed helm
The strength of Elites can vary.
humble yacht
Spartans > an elite minor but after that, it can lean in favor of the elites
An elite major once defeated John in single combat
versed helm
Who? The one in Legends?
stoic hamlet
I wouldn’t really call that defeating him. Honestly that fight was really dumb. I don’t think it happened like the scene was depicted.
humble yacht
I mean, Chief evaded true defeat thanks to the jump
stoic hamlet
That’s not what I mean though. There was no killing blow. Thel didn’t even actually land a hit on hum.
But also the idea John would actually agree to a 1v1 sword duel is asinine to me. It doesn’t really make sense.
humble yacht
Lodamee disarmed Chief and forced him to his knees. A killing stroke follow up wouldn’t be too hard to imagine
stoic hamlet
True. But my latter point stands. It just seems odd.
versed helm
What was Vinnevra's actual name if the name we know her by is her mother's name?
main siren
Pretty much we don't know her actual name
versed helm
That sucks
slim thorn
Lodamee nearly killed Chief. And as for Jiralhanae, Atriox alone can defeat Douglas, Alice, and Jerome single-handedly.
last anchor
Well, he defeated Douglas.
"Defeated"
slim thorn
Yes, Jerome knows that facing him more will earn three of them beaten up.
last anchor
And for his tribulation, he lost like, 600+ troops when the Spirit unloaded her archers onto the encampment
Hes good. But he had surprise and placement on his side.
Nothing short of the Didact can withstand three Spartan-IIs.
Why do you think Atriox hid in the back after that?
slim thorn
Even Chief almost died by Didact hands once more
Because Atriox wants to have fun with them
And he let Red Team go intentionally
last anchor
Yeah, and probably cause he knew if they stayed they would have kicked his butt.
One on one with an S-II? Fine. Three v One? Hes too smart for that.
He might take out another (probably not though once they saw what he could do) but he'd still go down.
Having outdated skunktech MJLONIR MK IV certainly helped.
He'd be no match for an S-II in GEN 2
slim thorn
Jerome and Douglas lost their combat knife to Atriox
last anchor
Yes, a COMBAT KNIFE
slim thorn
On a fist fight, I also quite doubt it S-II can pull it off
last anchor
You assume they'd fight fair.
These are S-IIs. They do whatever they need to to win.
My guess as to what would happen is that Douglas would get into close combat again, and while he's doing that and Atriox is distracted, Alice (hiding in teh back) would cut Atriox's legs out from under him with a spray of machine gun fire (that armors tough but nothing takes multiple shots from an M247, certainly not Covenant armor), then Jerome either finishs him off with a neck snap or (to be even more classy) smashes his head into his chest with his own giant energy mace
He's good.
But he's only a Jiralhanne. Smart or not, he's not THAT good.
slim thorn
Remember that even the Hierarchs can't touch Atriox even during Human-Covenant War.
slim thorn
And additionally, any assassination attempts are failed.
stoic hamlet
But he was such a small scale threat they didn’t care enough to crush him.
They could have easily, however.
last anchor
He was like a blackberry thorn in their wrist, while the UNSC was a giant spear in the chest
They figured they'd wipe out humanity, then roll back and handle him.
last anchor
And then came Halo and the possibility of THE GREAT JOURNEY
And Atriox went completely out the window because "TIME TO FUFILL OUR COVENANT!"
slim thorn
And adding Jiralhanae's base attitude, it will be quite an advantage for Atriox to stir up some Great Schism of his own version.
last anchor
Too bad he didnt, lul. Cheif beat him to that.
stoic hamlet
If you need any confirmation Atriox isn’t this amazing monster and a leader, look at his opponents at the Ark.
An incredibly outdated ship, not even a true warship, with half a crew if even that, and three Spartans with outdated armour.
And he can’t even kill them, lol.
slim thorn
He can't because UNSC know where to hit him. Should Atriox was really serious in the first place, he could destroy Spirit of Fire earlier
slim thorn
Strategist mind is not as simple as we can always think of.
last anchor
He's a Jiralhanne. Again.
slim thorn
There are lots of stratagem to consider.
last anchor
He didnt know what a Phoenix-class could do
But yeah Canadian's right, he had every chance and advantage in this fight and instead...the Spirit kicked his butt.
Knocked out a carrier well past its tonnage...
AND stole a Halo ring
versed helm
Isn't Atriox like the only Brute who isn't impulsive and incompetent though?
slim thorn
He is quite a cunning one, but then again, his biggest mistake is he expand the battle lines too much without alternatives while UNSC does.
stoic hamlet
Castor is also not bad.
versed helm
Is that the guy trying to start the alliance?
stoic hamlet
Also Lydus. (He’s the one trying to start the alliance between humanity.) castor is a leader of the Keepers.
feral perch
Atriox’s biggest flaw is that he has no clear objective. We still don’t know what he actually wants.
simple locust
What was Halo Bloodline about? More specifically why were the spartans fighting each other?
carmine sleet
It's about Spartan Black Team. You learn why they fight one another during the comic
simple locust
@feral perch I agree. I think he wants resources and to conquer. I assume maybe like the Mongols had done.
Also was black team under mind control or something? The video I saw was in Spanish and I can only partially understand it.
sacred dew
The monitor hacked his helmet made him see things that didn't happen
last anchor
Neural implant too I believe
jolly furnace
@simple locust Neural Physics transit meant ships shed multiverse residues as they emerged into real space. This made them vulnerable to attack briefly which let the Forerunners use asteroids on em
sacred dew
Why not just shoot them?
simple locust
"multiverse residues" are those related to the energy of the mini universes the Forerunners used for energy? Also what attribute of the helmet did the monitor hack?
clever fable
It's not really elaborated on. I'm a fan of the idea that it's related to the actual multiverse in some way. Makes the Flood scarier, acts as a call to the potentiality that Precursors aren't of this universe.
last anchor
Well they did say that the Forerunners stripped nacent universes to power their machines. Thats how vaccum energy worked if I remember right
So...you probably arent too far off
simple locust
So would that mean that the ships would change their timeline to have been at a different location or what? With the Multiverse residues.
last anchor
Not likely. I think they jused used it for power
spiral jewel
For the Forerunners who managed to escape/"get out of the way" of the firing of the Halo rings , and lived elsewhere in the universe, are those Forerunners or any biological descendants aware of the Didacts somewhat brief return the Galaxy (during the events of Halo 4 and Escalation (I think) ?
If that makes any sense
humble yacht
the forerunners that didn't get killed by the halos were on the ark during the firing. the ark is out of range, so that's why they were ok
when they left the galaxy, they left behind their technology too, so it's unlikely they know anything about what's going on in the milky way
spiral jewel
With the shenanigans currently going on (the Created Uprising) ... It's probably for the better..
terse lava
Well we only know bornsteller and chant ditched their armor and technology. Others could have kept it. We were never given a solid number how many forerunners were on the ark outside of born, chant, and a few other named ones
lethal comet
I like to think the remaining forerunners are still alive as primitives in Path Kethona.
round comet
the forerunners have the big dead
fair hazel
omega halo fired towards path cetona
fair hazel
why did I spell that wrong like that
round comet
you get used to it
fair hazel
it was very tragic... those forerunners just dying
round comet
a lot of things in halo are tragic
:*(
it helps to build a better narrative its sad.
ebon mauve
I don't remember the part where Path Kethona was included in the destructive path of the Halo Array
because wasn't Omega Halo still a Senescent Halo, so its range was limited to the local area?
round comet
well, it was. all life and all precursor artifacts are gone;
ebon mauve
I mean, I've read Silentium 4 times, so I'm just failing to recall that part
round comet
during the end of the battle of the greater ark, the halo was fired in order to stop the precursor star roads. the halo purged path ketona of all life, and the omega halo was destroyed by the star roads
ebon mauve
i remember the scene. I will have to reread that part. I am a little confused how that would have worked, but maybe it will make more sense when I read it again
round comet
page 273
''The multidimensional radiation field stretches out, as designed, to Path Kethona. Massless, subtle, deadly, it will cross that great distance in mere instants. Halo energy does not recognize space and time. Path Kethona is already dead."
ebon mauve
hmmm... then I am just confused how that works with the canon of the older halos not having that kind of range
round comet
Omega Halo's main weapon was designed to fire directed pulses as opposed to the omnidirectional effects of the newer Halos
so, theres a bit of a difference between the firing mechanism of the older and the newer halos
@ebon mauve i think this might help.
lethal comet
How many rings still haven't been discovered by the UNSC?
round comet
as far as i know
carmine sleet
03, 04, 05 and 07 have been discovered so far
round comet
03 in h4
04 in CE
05 in h2
00 in h3
07 in infinite
lethal comet
h2 had 05
carmine sleet
08 and 09 were also discovered but Chief destroyed 08 at the Ark and 09 is with Anders
round comet
yesah that was a typing error on my part;
lethal comet
They were replacements so don;t really count
round comet
they do actually, theyre halos.
carmine sleet
It's unconfirmed that the ring in Infinite is 07 but it was found in between Halo 3 and 4 by the UNSC
round comet
slip, the reveal trailer for infinite.
carmine sleet
The trailer doesn't confirm which ring it is
lethal comet
wasn;t that the one went from 30000 km to 10000km
round comet
during that tent scene, theres a message in morse code.
carmine sleet
That message isn't really confirmation
lethal comet
Maybe Infinite has multiple rings
carmine sleet
I doubt it
lethal comet
We still need to know about 09
round comet
so i suppose its highly, highly likely that we're looking at zeta halo in infinite.
terse lava
Still.kinda hate how humanity is just finding the halos left and right
round comet
but its not confirmed by 343 themeselves.
lethal comet
They found them through the ark I think
humble yacht
humanity found I04 by accident. they didn't find I05, technically; the covies did, humanity just followed. Humanity found I03 and I07 during the 4 year period while chief was sleeping
so really, they only found 2 halos by active searching
carmine sleet
Yes, I said that already
humble yacht
they didn't find it before
humble yacht
i wonder what halopedia says? 
round comet
''On November 28, 2553, a renowned scientist and historian named Luther Mann discovered the location of Zeta Halo through cross-referencing Forerunner architecture on the shield world Sarcophagus. ONI subsequently initiated the Zeta Halo project in 2555, sending a researcher detachment of approximately 300 scientists of multiple fields, including Mann and Henry Lamb, to study the Halo along with hundreds of automated probes to scan and map out the installation."
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh
timber ridge
Since ex covenant species eventually lived along side humans after halo 3 did a human and an elite ever just sit down on a spacecouch™️ and play a game on their xcube™️?
carmine sleet
It's not as simple as the Covenant fell and everyone got along
versed helm
I recognise both of those surnames, weren't they in Hunters in The Dark?
carmine sleet
They are both in Hunters in the Dark
Lamb's name also shows up in Halo Wars 2 as well, having the facility that we see Atriox face off against Red Team in being named after Lamb due to his death during the op to the Ark in Hunters in the Dark
versed helm
Right, this was in the opening, yes?
carmine sleet
Aye, the first level, when they arrive, there's a sign with his name on it
versed helm
What makes you believe that he is dead?
versed helm
Also, a Halo game does not have to be set after his "death" (if that even happened).
round comet
the terminals seemed to imply that he died, but its possible that he didnt.
versed helm
What if a part of him died?
carmine sleet
I'd rather it be Mendicant that turns out to be alive than some of the other characters I've seen people suggest should be brought back
swift portal
pretty sure Mendicant was disassembled and moved throughout each halo ring to keep in prison
not dead tho
carmine sleet
Mendicant wasn't distributed across the Halos
swift portal
just the arc?
round comet
i think MB could actually make for quite an interesting plot wbu?
pretty sure Mendicant was disassembled and moved throughout each halo ring to keep in prison
no.
versed helm
Yes, from what I understand, he's an AI who overcame the corruption of the logic plague. For the games, he just seems like this omnipresent entity who has been observing you for years.
swift portal
I don't think there was any mention of him dying
round comet
have you read the terminals?
swift portal
yeah but not for a fat minute
round comet
The terminals in Halo 3 all end with him making fairly direct claims of sacrificing himself to get Master Chief safely away from the imploding Installation 08.
id say he's dormant at most.
will he be in infinite? also possible, but unlikely.
swift portal
i'll have to re-read the terminals then
round comet
yes
versed helm
That's another thing, I've seen some content which imply that he lost fragments of himself.
Have you listened to Destroyer's Invocation in reverse?
round comet
yes delete i have.
although im not sure how that implies him losing fragments of himself...
versed helm
Someone suggested that Mendicant has been assisting Chief behind the scenes, IF that were true, it must mean that he has had to somewhat evolve over time. In Destroyer's Invocation, that dialogue is very nihilistic and dark; it kind of contrasts that theory if it was true.
So what if Mendicant had to "shed" corrupted parts of himself?
And we simply discover these fragments in the games?
@round comet
round comet
alright thats fair
if MB plays a role in infinite then the plot could be rebuilding an ancient and powerful Contender class Forerunner AI, one with quite a history and a desire for atonement, in order to defeat Cortana
but then im not sure how he'll be on zeta halo.
maybe in other games, like a spinoff;
versed helm
I think I remember someone stating that Mendicant Bias originates from Zeta Halo, or he was at least assigned to it.
round comet
he was.
but the last time i checked he was on the ark.
ok wait, maybe one of his fragments could be on zeta halo?
versed helm
He seems to be very powerful, what if he is able to be at multiple locations in one instance?
round comet
idk if thats possible
versed helm
We don't know a lot of information about him.
round comet
we do actually. but not his full capabilities, we've been assuming he's ultrapowerful.
which he probably is
humble yacht
MB’s core facility was on zeta. However when he defected, he obviously didn’t stay there anymore
All his fragments were taken to the ark for trial and imprisonment. How one fragment got out and commandeered a key ship is beyond me, but the rest of him was on the ark. When truth brought that last fragment back to the ark, mb reconstituted itself
versed helm
So there are fragments of himself?
obsidian thistle
There is three routes for MB one could get from Halo 3.
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He died on I08 after it fell appart.
-
The fragment it was using to communicate after it reconstituted itself was destroyed leaving the rest of MB stuck in his tomb unable to talk to anything till found.
-
Other fragments got out and are still out there. Though I dislike this option. (Though I admit that would just be a repeat of the IRIS campaign seeing as thats what happened in 2007 kinda)
spiral jewel
After the events of ODST, did Romeo ever receive a Purple Heart ?
humble yacht
not sure if that particular commendation exists in the UNSC
spiral jewel
From what I've been able to find, 117 was a purple heart recipient as well as Johnson, Jacob Keyes, Terrence Hood, and Mendez
humble yacht
i guess it does
In romeo's case, since he was on a covert mission for ONI, commendations were probably not presented
because that would require publicizing the operation
spiral jewel
I'm sure he'll receive one at some point
versed helm
He sure did work for it
Speaking of which, the only award 117 doesnt have is prisoner of war, right?
ember tusk
yeah i think'
feral perch
He was technically taken prisoner for a short while though.
tender axle
Well romeo sure could've earned a purple heart once he became a spartan, since he wouldn't have been ONI anymore
feral perch
Some Insurrectionists trapped him and Blue Team in an EMP field iirc.
ember tusk
but was it a prisoner of war camp?
carmine sleet
He wasn't captured for long
ember tusk
so it kinda dont count
feral perch
Hm.
humble yacht
Romeo wasn't part of ONI during his time as an ODST
being sent on a secret mission for ONI != being a part of ONI
he could still get purple hearts as an ODST, just not for that one mission (probably)
ember tusk
yeah his time was more than ODST
jovial spruce
Im the best at halo 2 ill cap any one of you
feral perch
oh yeah? Bet.
shy wraith
Im the worst at halo 2 ill get capd by any one of you but well have mics on and chat and laugh and eat pizza and grow as friends itll be a lot of fun. Wait none of this has anything to do with lore.
Wait the real lore was the friends we made along the way.
last anchor
Congragulations on being good at a game that became mostly irellevant almost a decade ago.
Actually, can we hear more about Unggoy Farmer at some point?
fair hazel
I honestly think we’ll get unggoy farmer one day
humble yacht
I’d rather have an Installation Tycoon
last anchor
Im more interested into how they explain a human-themed game around (theoretically based on the name) raising another sentint species.
Maybe its ONI propoganda, who knows.
Instillation Tycoon...now we're talking.
Forerunner Tycoon.
terse lava
Precursor spore
versed helm
Warthog Kart.
versed helm
No, I won't, the hinge heads can rot in Hell.
I'll never co-operate with them.
I wonder if we'll see a Kraken return in another Halo game.
last anchor
Something tells me not likely. Least, as far as I can tell.
queen otter
Was there any brutes in Juls covenant remnant that we know of. I’ve always kind of wondered why we never saw them in 4 and 5.
humble yacht
Doubt it
versed helm
I don't think so, the only known faction that has both of those races working in unison is the Banished. From what I can recall anyway.
harsh jetty
weren't brutes on the brink of extinction?
carmine sleet
Brutes were not on the brink of extinction
harsh jetty
Where were they when halo 4/5 came out?
carmine sleet
Not part of Jul's Covenant
versed helm
Busy fighting off the Elites who were massacring them, from what I remember.
carmine sleet
Like, just because we don't see them, doesn't mean they are dying out
humble yacht
Between halo 4 and 5, there was an effort by Thel to make pease with a major brute clan
The UNSC agreed to mediate proceedings
But the meeting was interrupted by hostiles
Paul DeMarco lost his life, iirc
versed helm
The mission was successful though, right?
humble yacht
It’s left up in the air
versed helm
Is it true that the Elites and Brutes hate each other more than they hate the humans?
humble yacht
I think the elites hate the brutes more than they hate humanity
You expect your enemy to hurt you, but not your ally
versed helm
The tensions were already pretty high beforehand though, right?
gilded mason
Ye.
humble yacht
Relations were strained, sure, but that’s leagues better than literal surprise genocide
versed helm
I can't remember any material suggesting this (chronologically before H2).
gilded mason
As for the peace mission, this is what Palmer and Lasky said about it to each other after everything went down:
"Those diplomats were never going to agree on anything, you know."
"Maybe not. But that wasn't our job."
So sounds like things did not get resolved.
humble yacht
Brutes didn’t exist before h2, unless they were in book
carmine sleet
Did First Strike release before Halo 2?
gilded mason
Yes.
humble yacht
Yeppers
versed helm
I should probably read that book.
humble yacht
Did first strike go into brute and elite interactions?
carmine sleet
Not as far as I recall, I just know that the Fleet at the Uneven Elephant was mostly commanded by Brutes
versed helm
What was the name of the Brute who wanted to establish peace with the Elites? Castor?
carmine sleet
Lydus. Castor was a member of the Keepers of the One Freedom
gilded mason
Hm?
harsh jetty
Several lol
versed helm
I think that I experienced the Mandela effect, I remember several Spartans dying at one point in the story.
humble yacht
One spartan killed his team because he was a double agent
versed helm
Even then, it was a bad idea for the humans to get involved anyway.
versed helm
Nothing was achieved.
humble yacht
They needed to show they were willing to put forth the effort
versed helm
One of the humans even tried to sabotage the mission.
I guess I'm too close minded about the whole ordeal.
harsh jetty
Do the jackals not like the grunts?
gilded mason
Some amount dislike them, yes.
versed helm
Can you swap weapons with the construction site workers in H3?
carmine sleet
Yes
versed helm
That must have been for gameplay reasons, I can't see why random civilians would be familiar with UNSC weaponry.
versed helm
Hello.
Could someone explain to me how the rotating sections of early UNSC ships work?
feral perch
Halopedia is your friend
versed helm
Stornado, Halopedia does not explain how the sections work, only that they are used to create gravity somehow.
humble yacht
sounds like a centrifuge
versed helm
I guess I was wondering...would the room appear to be spinning from inside the ship?
How fast would the spin be?
humble yacht
no. if you're in that section, you'd be spinning with it and wouldn't notice
just like how you don't notice the earth spinning
versed helm
Wouldn't the spin have to be extremely fast though?
humble yacht
only if you want to simulate extremely heavy gravity
versed helm
I mean...if my living room starts spinning....I would feel it.
Which components are you referring to? The ones that produce an artificial gravitational field in the ship?
Yes.
I should probably let the editors know about its absence on the site. There's a possibility that you haven't searched deep enough though.
humble yacht
if your living room started spinning, you'd feel it because your reference point for both you and the room is the earth
if you're on the spinny section of the ship, your reference point and only source of force is the spinny section
versed helm
Hrm that does make sense.
But wouldn't you notice the spin once you stepped on for the first time?
After all, even in the Halo uiverse, everyone's first point of reference is Earth
humble yacht
if you tried to enter the section while it was spinning, yes, you'd notice
space is a vacuum
there's no gravity in space which is why you need to simulate it
versed helm
How do the UNSC small arms weaponry work in space?
And the plasma based weapons too? Wouldn't the atoms needed to be ripped of their electrons just drift off into space?
humble yacht
what do you mean?
versed helm
How can you use those weapons in space? I would have thought that they just wouldn't work, logically speaking anyway.
humble yacht
ballistic weaponry should work in a vacuum the same way in atmosphere
hexed sand
I don't think plasma weaponry needs gravity to work
humble yacht
since everything it needs is in the mechanism of the gun
plasma bolts appear to maintain their form in a vacuum
obsidian thistle
The M6 line is mostly recoil operated.
humble yacht
must be some sort of electric field around the bolt keeping the gas from dispersing
obsidian thistle
So it should work in space
versed helm
I see.
Thanks, Chimera.
Don't ballistic bases weaponry perform worse in vacuums though? Or is that dependent on their firing mechanism?
gilded mason
Yeah, I remember something about an electromagnetic bubble being around plasma, or something like that.
humble yacht
a gas-operated carbine might see issues
cause the gas could expand in the vacuum and result in malfunction
versed helm
So...to clarify, when you enter a spinning section after experiencing zero G's, your body reacts as if the spinning is not even there?
Because it 'creates' gravity?
How does the carbine work again?
humble yacht
i'm sure some do
obsidian thistle
Some of the SRS99 line do
versed helm
The BR mustn't be an example, unless it's just an inconsistency on Bungie's part.
obsidian thistle
The SRS99C-S2 AM (The Halo 2 and 3 sniper) is Gas Operated.
I'll check. Gimme a mo
versed helm
Much appreciated.
obsidian thistle
Doesnt say
versed helm
That's okay, thank you anyway. I should have looked myself, to be honest.
obsidian thistle
I was digging in sources
vale pendant
Hello
What happened with the following things:
- the vessel that crashed on the ring. Was it ever explained what species it belonged to?
- What ever happend with that elite from halo 2, which had its mouth cut. He also appeared in halo 3, but didnt appear in halo 4-5
ebon mauve
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No
-
You mean Rtas 'Vadum, the Elite you meet in the first Arbiter mission cutscene in halo 2?
vale pendant
yes Rtas 'Vadum
also in responds to 1. Not even a hint or detail? So the terminal cutscene is all that is ever explained?
nothing about it in the books?
ebon mauve
He is commander of the Shadow of Intent under the flag of the Arbiter and the Swords of Sanghelios. He used the ship to hunt down some rogue Prophets in the short story Shadow of Intent in 2553. After that I think he shows up briefly in some communication regarding SoI around 2557 but I don't think he is another story
vale pendant
I see
ebon mauve
And I don't think we know anything definitive about the ship that crashed on I04. There are theories but nothing definitive I don't thimk
vale pendant
and one more thing. What is the furthest in lore event that takes place? Is it the reach cutscene with the helmet and this advanced ship in the background?
I forgot the year
2589?
ebon mauve
@woeful pine had a video on it last year I think regarding the Meddlers, but it is just a fan theory.
I think thats right for reach. I believe the Halo 3 believe commercials are 2609 or something
Haloepdia has that stuff laid out pretty definitively.
2610, my bad
vale pendant
interesting
is there a reason why the believe ad takes place in that year
or is it a in universe ad or something
ebon mauve
Yeah they are supposed to be. It's a series of ads. If you haven't ever seen them I suggest you go watch them. They are great.
vale pendant
oh ive seen them
but didnt know it took place in universe at a later time
why is the covenant ai speaking giberish btw
in halo 1
even 343 mentioned wanting to decommission it
stoic hamlet
The farthest lore event is the Halo 3 believe memorials, taking place in 2610.
Disregard me. Didn’t realize that had already been said.
ebon mauve
Basically gone but not really known for sure
vale pendant
did the prophets know the great journey would kill them or did they really thing they'd rise to god hood?
gilded mason
They all thought it was ascendance.
ebon mauve
The original sanshyuum supposedly got wiped out in 860ish bce when their star went supernova. The rest, the ones we know from the games on high Charity were mostly killed when the food destroyed it and the great schism happened
gilded mason
what about the prophets. what happened to their race post halo 3```
Most of the remaining ones from High Charity left to parts unknown. Rtas went after them for a time to find out who deserved to be brought to justice, and who was an innocent party. Their home planet *might* still be around, though.what are some cool lore pieces?
that is similair to what ive asked before
maybe about the precursors, flood, future event, past event etc
gilded mason
what are some cool lore pieces?```
Sangheili are really long-lived, with the oldest stated age we know of being Nizat's: Around 200 Earth years old and still physically healthy.They could have infinite forms, including spirit, walk on star roads. Said star roads, the physical structures in the galaxy, were in truth only shadows of the true ones which dived between multiple dimensions.
simple locust
Can the bodies of pure forms be destroyed or brought back to life with an infection form?
terse lava
No
normal crow
Not in game at least
terse lava
They are not combat forms that require a infection form to puppeteer them around
simple locust
If they do but their body is intact can they or no?
terse lava
No, they are made of pure flood biomass that doesnt require the infection form
normal crow
I don’t think they can but the tank forms do have the trademark antennae of the infection form and that is their weak spot
simple locust
Do the tank forms have less health than the shooting forms?
main siren
You know, whenever I read about the Star Roads, I always imagine the Precursors walking on them during their prime
terse lava
Yep
, and salt
versed helm
Was it common knowledge amongst civilians to realise that seeing ODSTs was a bad sign?
carmine sleet
I think seeing any military deploying in a civilian area would be seen as a bad sign
versed helm
They weren't really integrated into society's structure?
I guess it would mainly be the Marines who would see it as a bad sign.
I think there will be travels through space-time in Halo. Only you have to realize ghaphics engine is named Slipspace Engine. If 343 introduces that mechanics on Halo Infinite it would be a revolution in Halo saga
God, I hope not.
carmine sleet
The engine's named after slipspace, which is used to travel faster than light within the Halo universe, it's not a hint that we're going to time travel
carmine sleet
Also, it's not the graphics engine called slipspace, it's the whole game engine
versed helm
yes , I think it is an engine that reduces the charge times in game
carmine sleet
Charge times?
carmine sleet
The reason why they moved away from the old Blam! Engine was because Blam! was getting too old and hard to work with and a bit weak, a new engine was needed to ensure that the games going forward weren't limited by Blam!'s age
versed helm
I just hope that it will be a good one.
I think the name of the game engine is the key to know how it would be the game , but , I repeat it' a supposition
So what kind of relevance does the name "Blam!" have to how Halo plays?
I don't care if there is travels by the slipspace in a playable way , but that means or makes out the functions of the new game engines like UR 5 or Slipspace about reduce the loading times in games to the minimum
That's about loading times though, it's not relevant to gameplay.
In games like the medium , the protagonist can change the enviroment inmediatly due to her powers , that implies that there's no essencially loading times between playable sections
but I don't know if it is possible in a Xbox One , or only in Series X
So Master Chief will be able to enter through slip space on a whim? 
it's just a supposition anyway , but that would explode my mind
Halo Infinite is the other key in the issue
the name
I remember Bioshock Infinite
in which there is infinite universe
infinite universes in Halo , with many possibilities , that would explain why Master Chief wears an old armor , maybe...
That's a completely separate universe and franchise.
I don't know , too much time thinking these months
yes , I know
Can I suggest something that would be beneficial?
yes, of course
carmine sleet
I doubt they chose the name "Infinite" because we're going to be hopping from one universe to another
versed helm
Forget about everything you've just speculated and wait until you see the gameplay reveal.
carmine sleet
infinite universes in Halo , with many possibilities , that would explain why Master Chief wears an old armor , maybe...
Chief's not wearing old armour, he's wearing a new suit that has similarities to older suits he's had
versed helm
I can't wait , my first game on orignial xbox was Halo 2 , it's my favourite saga and very special to me
I'm sure it is, just like for many other people but hyping yourself up to develop unrealistic expectations is unhealthy.
versed helm
The only hope that I can (and should) have is for the game to be good.
That probably comes across as a very pessimistic mindset, lol.
fair hazel
If annoys me when people say he’s in an old suit.
carmine sleet
Ditto
fair hazel
No doubt that nostalgia based youtubers helped spread that misconception heavily before they knew
And maybe the look a bit but. Don’t think it would be as prévenant as that.
Well I just saw a post about super star destroyer against a cso
Easy victory
versed helm
There hasn't been much clarification on it though, so I don't blame them for the confusion.
analog perch
I just want infinite to be good halo wars halo reach quality
I even enjoyed halo wars 2
fair hazel
I want infinite to be way better than reach. And I’m not sure halo wars quality means something to infinite. But I do want halo wars elements there. But story wise i want it better than 4
queen otter
If Infinite is anything like reach and it’s useless sandbox I’ll be pretty frustrated. Since I started playing halo all I’ve wanted for the game is balance.
glacial dock
If Infinite is anything like reach and it’s useless sandbox I’ll be pretty frustrated.
@queen otter Lmao no. Sandbox on halo reach was awesome. Never played speed halo, duck hunt or indiana jones or seen good halo zombie machinimas?
queen otter
🤦♂️
So the focus rifle is good? Yeah I don’t think so.
Repeater was awful
Magnum was trash unless you were able to hit a headshot
queen otter
Sandbox includes weapons
terse lava
To be fair many of them had origins in halo 3, not reach
humble yacht
Y’all know this is lore chat, right?
glacial dock
Oh shoot
carmine sleet
Balance is important to the sandbox
Lmao no. Sandbox on halo reach was awesome. Never played speed halo, duck hunt or indiana jones or seen good halo zombie machinimas?
Custom games like Speed Halo are less reliant on the balance of the sandbox itself and is more just something weird. Machinimas aren't dependant on the sandbox to be good or bad, they're dependant on factors like what most films are dependant on to be good or bad
terse lava
Reach added versatility with better forging and more vehicles/weapons but some were indeed not the best. Though I am curious why no Covenant forces in reach had a beam rifle
versed helm
Woah, I didn't know that this was general chat, nice!
queen otter
Y’all know this is lore chat, right?
That’s why I left chatting in #483759756566069258 because you guys were talking about something completely different. Like RE or something.
versed helm
I have to agree though, most of Reach's weapons fit into a very specific niche.
humble yacht
So in halo 3 the gravemind is worried about the ark because it can fire all the halos. But when the gravemind gets to the ark, it’s technically out of range of the rings
So the reason it was still worried was not for itself, but for the rest of the galaxy
versed helm
Why do civilian construction site workers know how to operate a UNSC sniper?
humble yacht
Just an odd thought I had
terse lava
Well yea, it would have starved
glacial dock
Becuse all you do is point and shoot with a sniper lmao
slim thorn
Civilians should be more adept on using handgun only rather than other arsenals.
terse lava
Even with the ark it closely wanted the while galaxy
carmine sleet
Becuse all you do os point and shoot with a sniper lmao
There's allot more to a sniper than point and shoot
slim thorn
The weight itself was more heavier than handguns and those construction workers are not trained to carry that heavyweight sniper
versed helm
Becuse all you do os point and shoot with a sniper lmao
@glacial dock That is not true at all, have you ever heard of zeroing before?
queen otter
There's allot more to a sniper than point and shoot
Doesn’t this apply to all guns lol.
glacial dock
I mean in the games you dont have to worey about shooting over long distances
versed helm
Yes, this is a lore channel though.
queen otter
All video game guns are point and shoot.
slim thorn
I'd want to dig in more about the gravity tech applied on UNSC Warships itself.
versed helm
I still don't know why the Elites would know how to use UNSC weaponry if they regard it as "dishonourable" or "inferior" to use.
slim thorn
Probably because of Ballistic weapons considering Elites are more... "comfy" with their plasma arsenals.
glacial dock
Arent human weapons similoat covenant weapons tho? Like the repeater and beam rifle are just pulling the trigger to shoot
slim thorn
Yeah, but the downside is, it was too exposed for UNSC to use it
round comet
@humble yacht i think it couldve something to do with him wanting food?
slim thorn
Well... Is there another reason for it? Unless you do refer it as one of the weapon the Elites often used, Energy Sword.
versed helm
I literally stated that they regard it as dishonourable to use human weaponry.
slim thorn
It can comes from many things regarding dishonourable thing. Like they prefer to fight humans in close or melee range in an honourable duel like Chief dueling Lodamee.
versed helm
My question is why do they know how to use them though? I presume that the Covenant forced the races to become familiar with their weaponry.
slim thorn
Probably during early years or could be some Jackals brings human weaponry during early stage of war.
versed helm
I guess so.
slim thorn
Kig-Yar loves to make a heist if I could remember. They could present it especially after a lots of plundering from Harvest. There are lots of treasure to make a heist.
Then the Hierarchs wants as many personnel as possible familiarize with UNSC Weaponry.
versed helm
Well, we know that the Brutes like to keep UNSC weapons as trophies.
Kind of creepy if you ask me, especially seeing helmets lined up. Like game being hung up above your mantle or something.
slim thorn
It's common for Brute's barbaric nature.
Barbarians often hangs helmets and other stuffs lined up, proud of it as war trophies.
versed helm
I don't think the Sangheili were any better, lol.
fair hazel
there is something called gameplay
slim thorn
I think Gek'Lhar (If I remember) also holds UNSC's dog tags as trophies, right?
versed helm
Which race is that?
slim thorn
Yeah. Gek 'Lhar holds UNSC's dog tags and installed on his left chest armor as war trophies.
He collect 11 dog tags and I didn't know how he get it.
versed helm
It probably wasn't difficult for him, lol.
versed helm
Was he part of Jul's Covenant?
slim thorn
Yes. He was KIA during Second Requiem Campaign.
versed helm
Good riddance.
fair hazel
parg vol aslo died
versed helm
Who?
fair hazel
He was a Sangheili associated with Jul 'Mdama. Born on Malurok, the same world ripa 'moramee rebeled
He is a reccurent villain in spartan ops, until you finally assassinate him. He does escape and is very slippery
He was associated with Merg Vol. Who attacked Dratheus V and X50 and caused one of Palmer's friends, Spartan Davis, to die, by association.
While Merg Vol was assassinated, using Parg Vol's stolen phantom, Parg would survive and become an arms dealer and hit contractor until he joined Jul's covenant due to his hatred of humanity.
Crimson took him down, making Palmer very happy pretty sure, and palmer offering first rounds for crimson.
versed helm
Oh, thanks.
vale pendant
so i just finished Halo CE remaster
man that was fun to revisit halo ce remaster
i never played it myself
But the thing i noticed, why is spark talking like he knows chief?
in one of the cutscene he mentions something saying chief already knew all this
gilded mason
Because Spark is mixing up the past and present in his mind.
Not exactly operating at peak efficiency and all that.
ember tusk
In Halo 2 or 3 (I can't remember which) Brutes used UNSC shotguns in combat
carmine sleet
Halo 2
carmine sleet
They took them as trophies in lore
feral perch
Halo 3 as well.
carmine sleet
They didn't use UNSC weapons in Halo 3
versed helm
They keep spawning without weapons when I do that.
feral perch
Oh, I was wrong, it’s Battle Rifles.
versed helm
It's pretty weird of them to be using those weapons like that.
stoic hamlet
Probably just a coding thing.
gilded mason
Ye
vale pendant
did you guys play the games on normal or heroic?
better said: do you play games mostly on normal or?
gilded mason
I usually do Heroic for a first run-through.
vale pendant
is it because you like to increase the play time it takes to finish it?
or just the challenge
gilded mason
The latter
vale pendant
i tried heroic, but got a bit annoyed dying to fast
stoic hamlet
I tend to do either normal or heroic, but then subsequently do easy.
vale pendant
so i did normal and did a replay of CE
feral perch
I’ve considered starting on Legendary, but I feel like I wouldn’t get the whole experience the first time, because I’d be fighting for my life most of the time.
versed helm
Well... it would certainly be a memorable experience.
feral perch
I’ve beat Halo 2 on Legendary multiple times