Oh I can just use my images I have already
#lore-and-universe
shy dock
Yeah that’s a lot better than the one I put up
obsidian thistle
With a back shot also
shy dock
In my defense the quality is very nice for a phone pic of a television
humble yacht
why does the backshot look drier than the front shot?
obsidian thistle
Well getting good lighting with those guys are a pain. XD Getting this close is uber hard also
shy dock
Honestly, you should add one of those pics though. The only picture of a carrier form from h2a is the one I took
terse lava
Lovely
obsidian thistle
Tbf us on the Halopedia team aim to redo most screenshots on the wiki once we finished all "big" tasks we are doing is complete or near so. Something about higher rez and wanting to look nicer. XD
versed helm
I think there should be a photo mode, like in DOOM
That would help
And would be hella fun
shy dock
Not a knock on you guys at all, I just don’t think the carrier forms are very popular so it went unnoticed
main siren
Flood Carrier form will never cease to disgust me
shy dock
Agreed. Same reason I was always fascinated with the proto-gravemind in CE
Didn’t we used to just call it the brain form? And it’s status as a protogravemind was all conjecture until a certain point? Idk something like that
meager yarrow
yeah
obsidian thistle
@shy dock you'd be suprised what pages are popular and so on. ;)
mossy plover
I've been refreshing myself on the ancient lore stuff, like before the halos fired. I was wondering how its possible that the forerunners didn't know about the flood?
Like they though the ancient humans were just attacking them because they didn't know about the flood, but how is that possible?
Did the ancient humans not try to tell them?
jolly furnace
They did try to. Forerunners didnt believe them
Simple as that
Boy I remember back when Forerunner page on Halopedia had Speculation section on it
Same with Reclaimer I think
and Precursor page
2007 to 2010 I think
mossy plover
Couldn't they have like, shown them samples or videos? Y'know, evidence? The flood was spreading across the galaxy and the forerunners just thought the humans made it up?
shy dock
Evidence doesn’t mean a whole lot if a group REALLY doesn’t want to believe something
shy dock
The forerunners are portrayed as really full of themselves and pretty racist to boot iirc. I’m pretty sure they just wrote it off as the violent monkey people using any excuse they could to conquer more of the galaxy
mossy plover
So when they realized the flood was real were they like "Whoops, 0h well I guess we'll just dump you back into the stone age anyway." or had they already done that when they discovered the flood was real?
crisp zephyr
i have been wondering this about glassing here is my question is glassing kinda like the covenate nukeing a planet or area
jolly furnace
I do think that would have been in the back of the minds of some of their politcal leaders yes @shy dock
shy dock
I just read the human-forerunner war page
crisp zephyr
and also how did mastercheif survive that huge bomb explosion that he detonated at the end of halo 4
shy dock
So basically the forerunners knew the flood was real but didn’t believe it a true threat due to their arrogance, and like I said basically just thought the humans were using it as an excuse
The humans managed to push back the parasite, and then turn around to fight the forerunners, but were already exhausted from fighting the flood and lost
jolly furnace
They only found out for sure after they were attacked by it during the war with humanity
humble yacht
and also how did mastercheif survive that huge bomb explosion that he detonated at the end of halo 4
Cortana put him in a hard light bubble
shy dock
“The flood is basically the flu” - some forerunner
jolly furnace
stellar radiation that causes gross mutations they played it off as to the public
radiant tapir
Grunt go boom yay
round depot
What are the Elites with brown armor?
last anchor
Its more of a maroon really rather than brown.
versed helm
Wait. Blue are the normal kind. White are the camo kind. I think red is the assault kind
carmine sleet
White Elites are Ultras, not stealth
Red Elites are majors, one rank above blue, minors
shy dock
With the exception that stealth elites in halo CE are white
In anniversary anyway. Idk what to call their color in og graphics
Like a platinum blue
versed helm
When Halsey asked Carter if he was a "puppet or a Spartan", don't you think that's pretty ironic?
hexed sand
Yeah especially when later on in the game she says "you belong to ONI now"
versed helm
Not only that but the Spartan 2s were especially puppets during Reach.
versed helm
They're generations.
carmine sleet
Different generations of Spartans, Spartan II, Spartan III and Spartan IV
versed helm
So regarding the upcoming Shadows of Reach book,what is this unknown alien faction?
Most likely the banished
Would be cool if it would be something else tho
Yeah, only the SoF crew has actually encountered them (and lived).
Maybe it's gonna be a lot of grunts
I hope not.
My best bet is that it's Luro Taralumee since he's still out there somewhere
Luro taralumee?
Who is that
Give me a second
That
I thought he died?
After the end of the Human-Covenant War, 'Taralumee used his previous station within the Covenant in an attempt to consolidate power for unknown reasons and is considered dangerous by the UNSC due to his zealous devotion to the Great Journey and adherence to Covenant ideals.
Or it could be Sali Nyon
Fair enough, that's an interesting idea but I hope it's the Banished.
I prefer Let 'Volir (here's hoping he doesn't get poorly treated like Jul).
versed helm
Dude, are you even surprised at this point?
versed helm
Don't talk about moderation, it's against the rules.
versed helm
Were the Halo Escalation comics really that bad?
versed helm
Maybe to the majority of the Halo fan base, people don't have to think exactly the same though.
round comet
id suggest you read them yourslef before judging them.
the halo community is not exactly known for being
uh
reasonable/logical.
versed helm
I'm not interested in Escalations.
humble yacht
I thought escalations was fine. If you expect a lot of wish fulfillment from the lore, I could see how escalations disappoints in some areas
versed helm
Sucks that the whole Janus Key story arc never went anywhere
versed helm
So,is Abaddon truly gone?
humble yacht
Probably not
versed helm
This makes me wonder,what if Abaddon is still lurking somewhere within the depths of the Domain,and is either bidding his time until he can return or is manipulating Cortana?
humble yacht
I hope not
round comet
..nope.
humble yacht
Maybe trial overwrote Abaddon
round comet
i really hate this "someone is manipulating cortana" theory
humble yacht
Me too
humble yacht
I say, just let cortana be responsible for her own actions
round comet
she knows whats she doing
a bit of forerunnner style hypocrisy has gotten to her now
humble yacht
There are ways you could make her sympathetic without absolving her completely
humble yacht
One example is my idea that she’s obsessed with Chief and wants to create a galaxy without conflict so he never has to fight
Another idea I had is that current Cortana left behind the “good” fragment of her in halo 4 that contained her compassion and inhibition, so this version is a direct result from her sacrifice
I’m not a writer so I assume professionals can brainstorm additional or better ideas along that vein
round comet
i think the 2nd episode of halo legends showed that she's frustrated with the fact that no matter what happens, humans always. fight. wars. they can go far from earth but cannot escape their primitive nature.
round comet
so she's forcefully taking the mantle of responsibilty in order to keep everything under check HERSELF, so that wars never happen anymore.
humble yacht
Rampancy is known to alter an AIs personality
round comet
and the fact that she killed a whole lot of people is her forerunner-style hypocrisy
who were also the holders of the mantle
humble yacht
The more time passes, the more I worry that they’re gonna go the “two Cortanas” route
I hope I’m wrong
round comet
yeah, the hidden audio has me worried
that could obviously signify something else, but considering the info we have at hand (aka none), the most likely explanation we have right now is another cortana.
humble yacht
A weaker, “good” fragment that’s appalled at the actions of her stronger “bad” self
And then the goal is some union of the two to try and bring Cortana to her senses
round comet
that sucks.
humble yacht
Yeah
round comet
humble yacht
🤞 that’s not the case
round comet
humble yacht
Yeah brining in an obscure reference like that would be weird
Also Iona is in stasis to prevent development of rampancy
She’d be in no condition to fight Cortana, or more likely she’d join cortana to escape death
humble yacht
Her face is fine
carmine sleet
I never got the complaints about her face. Like what is actually wrong with it?
round comet
idk about the rest of the people, but my case is that i prefer the classic face.
h2a was the best for me.
humble yacht
Well if you can convince that actress to return for facial cap, go for it
Personally I think her look in halo 4 and 5 was the best. I like the bobcut over the shoulder length hair
humble yacht
Why tho
What’s so different about her look in 5?
Do you just not like 5’s facial cap actress?
round comet
yeah ig you could say that
feral perch
I’m guessing the four letter word used to refer to someone who shows uh.. too much respect to women, is banned? But uh, liking Halo 4 Cortana the best makes you suspect.
carmine sleet
Depends on why they like Halo 4 Cortana design as opposed to if
feral perch
suuuuure
humble yacht
Jen Taylor did her best acting as Cortana in halo 4. There are some good reasons to like that version best
carmine sleet
Indeed. Halo 4's Cortana was the best portrayal of the character
versed helm
Jen Taylor did a really good performance in H4.
round comet
||jen taylor did a really good performance in all the games.||
mossy plover
Cortana was kinda mean in CE
glacial dock
Jen Taylor did her best acting as Cortana in halo 4. There are some good reasons to like that version best
@humble yacht I mean there are other reasons why people liked the halo 4 version the most (giggity) but yea Taylor did a great job in all games. I liked halo ce's versions the most because she liked a close companion throughout the game.
humble yacht
Jen Taylor does great every time but halo 4 was the first time the writing really gave her a chance to shine
Compared to cortana in the other games, she doesn’t have a chance to showcase emotional range like in 4
round comet
thats true
humble yacht
In halo 2 cortana is basically just one emotion the whole game
glacial dock
I wish they didnt kill off cortana tho. Feels kinda sad since she was with us the first few games
round comet
I wish they didnt kill off cortana tho. Feels kinda sad since she was with us the first few games
she is alive
humble yacht
Halo CE actually had decent range for cortana
A few sad moments, some excited moments, some worried moments
glacial dock
Oh wait yea she is still alive.
round comet
glacial dock
In halo 2 cortana is basically just one emotion the whole game
I mean that's the least of my worries in halo 2. Hehe. Those sniper jackals.......
round comet
OH GOD,
glacial dock
Fellas was Assault Rifle more effective in the lore than in the games? I read that the ar has 7.62 mm ap rounds yet the gun shoots marshmellos in the games
carmine sleet
Almost every weapon is better in lore than in game
round comet
all the guns are efficient in the lore depending on the situation.
but overall, yeah.
carmine sleet
That said, personal energy shields are also much better in lore as well, so don't expect to see Spartans dying easily to a couple rounds of AR fire. It takes allot more to drain them in lore
round comet
the games are meant to be enjoyed so.
glacial dock
I just want an ar that kills better.
carmine sleet
Which Halo games have you played?
glacial dock
All of them
round comet
the AR was trash in CE.
glacial dock
Except 5
carmine sleet
Also, if you're gonna suggest balancing based off of lore, that's not a good idea
Halo 5's AR is very good
glacial dock
Nah I just want you know a beefier ar that has its niche role.
carmine sleet
You'll like Halo 5's then
fallen portal
I mean if we went off lore, needlers are deadly
glacial dock
Arent they already deadly in the games tho lol
Halo ce and Halo 2 needlers were so much fun
fallen portal
The super combine is very deadly yes, but in lore even a single one is devastating
I love dual needlers in Halo 2 😃
hexed sand
i swear berserk brutes would take an entire sniper clip to the head and still run at you
glacial dock
I hated them so much. They were so hard to hit.
hexed sand
I remember hitting one directly with the rocket launcher and I could still see red on my radar afterwards like what
fallen portal
Hearing their charge and melee grunt sounds are still in my head lol
glacial dock
They die to one carbine shot to the head but good look doing that
fallen portal
Or when it's Hunter vs Brute and the Brute wins
hexed sand
fighting with hunters was one of my fave moments of halo 2
glacial dock
I hated the part where you had to fight the hunters elites with fuel rods and brutes
hexed sand
how they just march into that room and tank all the brute shots
fallen portal
The portion on Uprising right? Trying to keep all my allies alive was my goal
I would restart if they died lol
hexed sand
yup
That elite who talks to you in the cutscene
I always restart for elites, but I basically never restart for marines
humble yacht
tmw you try to save everyone but end up saving no one
hexed sand
It's alright tho when the elite that dies is the one that had energy sword
carmine sleet
What if your attempts to save them are what causes them to die?
mossy plover
Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose lol
humble yacht
Rejoice for those around you who begin the Great Journey. Mourn them do not, miss them do not.
mossy plover
Really terribly timed advice
round comet
plush tinsel
In halo wars 2.
The ending.
Professor anders went where again?
And for what purpose?
round comet
we do not know her current status.
except she's with a guardian. so maybe with cortana.
plush tinsel
I was about to say her mission failed right? Because the guardian interrupted her mission and was maybe captured? Something like that?
last anchor
Guardian dead-stopped 09 in transit so
shes not a threat to it though so most likely she's captured.
Assuming she doesnt wile her way out of it. She DOES have a Halo instillation on hand
bright briar
And for what purpose?
She took the Halo ring to send a signal to the UNSC and get help to the Spirit of Fire.
plush tinsel
Ok I see. But that failed.
bright briar
Probably.
plush tinsel
@last anchor can she still use the halo ring even tho she might be captured?
humble yacht
Installation 09 was on its way to the former position of installation 04
It got caught in route tho
fair hazel
How close or far I wonder
plush tinsel
So as it stands... The spirit of fire won’t be getting any help right? Since she MIGHT have been captured? And wasn’t able to send the signal?
Or maybe she was able to send it?
humble yacht
After being caught by the guardian, I imagine any signals she would try to send would be intercepted
mossy plover
I mean wouldn't Cortana then be clued into something going down on the ark?
humble yacht
If she didn’t give away her position, she could just be hiding on the ring
Cortana was denied access to the ark
humble yacht
Anders herself didn’t get caught
The ring got caught
Anders is a tiny human on a giant ring
round comet
sooooooooooo wheres that ring
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
plush tinsel
I see...
humble yacht
Somewhere where Cortana can use it if she needs it
fallen portal
Makes me wonder if Cortana was just watching for all slip space traffic coming from the Ark or if the Guardian was actually at the site of the old ring
plush tinsel
Makes you REALLY wonder...
mossy plover
So if Cortana can't go to the ark, just send everybody there.
humble yacht
The ark may not be integral to her plans, she may just have wanted it secured
fair hazel
Bring peace to the galaxy?
humble yacht
We know the gist of her plan but not every way she plans to implement it
The guardians could be only phase 1
terse lava
To be honest I find it funny she has only activated guardians. No harriers or fortress vessel warships
humble yacht
Well warships would be for engaging the races in active large scale combat
The guardians are for making them unable to be combative
round comet
To be honest I find it funny she has only activated guardians. No harriers or fortress vessel warships
she might have. its been, 3 years.
Bring peace to the galaxy?
thats the objective, not the plan.
mossy plover
Seems like she'd send forces to the ark if she could right?
It's too powerful to be left unchecked
And after Anders confirms human forces on the ark Cortana would definitely be on top of that.
round comet
again, we do not have any idea what cortana plans to do.
or what the state of the galaxy is after these 3 years.
mossy plover
But regardless of her plans you can't leave something like the ark unattended right?
round comet
i would assume no.
terse lava
Maybe she hasn't bothered due to not knowing how to get there without a portal. She was too busy with the gravemind to focus on much else
round comet
with the WHO.
oh you mean h2 and h3.
no i think she's had that figured out because, well, queen of the domain.
humble yacht
But here’s the thing
The domain is a galaxy-spanning network
But the ark is outside the galaxy
terse lava
Mhm, it seems any forerunner who knew.ofnthe ark was stationed there...or faber
round comet
the domain has all forerunner knowledge right?
round comet
riight its gone.
terse lava
The domain was an empty void when Cortana arrived
Or at least empty of any forerunner knowledge
versed helm
If only chief listened to the legend del río we wouldn’t have an evil cortana
terse lava
Your picture makes that ironic
round comet
if chief listened to del rio, humanity would be composed.
by the didact.
using the composer.
you k what i mean.
terse lava
Yea cortana at least can be defeated. The didact unhindered, not so much
round comet
||he did get defeated||
versed helm
yeah that’s right i didn’t think about that
round comet
humble yacht
We assume the halos wiped the domain of information but it’s possible that trial’s knowledge filled the domain
round comet
so, its also possible that the domain has everything cortana needs or wants.
humble yacht
It’s possible but not confirmed
round comet
nothing is confirmed
plush tinsel
Oof
fair hazel
Maybe the domain is harder to explore than what people may think
terse lava
I did say unhindered didnt I?
terse lava
He was stuck with limited stuff thanks to the librarian and a juridical
round comet
maybe he shouldnt have wasted his time with monologues
monologues are the nemesis of every bad guy
terse lava
"You caught me monologue, you clever dog"
plush tinsel
Lol
terse lava
Good old syndrome
limpid meadow
We assume the halos wiped the domain of information but it’s possible that trial’s knowledge filled the domain
It's also subtly implied that the information in the Domain wasn't damaged at all, that it's still there, just inaccessible for any number of reasons.
versed helm
Wasn't Emile a Headhunter?
versed helm
I haven't heard of that group before... what did they do? @versed helm
Interesting, does this mean that ODSTs have served for this division too?
Yeah, thanks for the info though; I appreciate this.
harsh jetty
Anyone know what happened to grey team?
carmine sleet
They are alive and well as of the end of Halo Envoy
harsh jetty
Thanks for the info
eternal oriole
So, In halo 2 and 3, the arbiter had bungies design correct?
But, In halo 5, did they keep that design, or did they change it to the design of all the other elites, and they kept his helmet so condensed to shroud his face that way fans wouldnt be raged by the fact that they changed the aribiter?
terse lava
Halo 2 Anniversary is the arbiter and the SOS true look. The halo 5 model was just used due to time
eternal oriole
Okay
Im still upset that 343 changed my favorite character
He looked cooler as his 2 and 3 design in my opinion
Aslo
Also*
What happened to the shipmaster after halo 3?
gilded mason
Rtas went looking for the remaining San'Shyuum who fled, to reconcile with those that had nothing to do with the Schism and bring those that did to justice
terse lava
Yep
eternal oriole
Is that why he doesnt help Thel in halo 5?
terse lava
Correct
eternal oriole
Okay
gilded mason
Then he was involved in policing the Orion Arm alongside the UNSC, and converting colonies to the SoS.
gilded mason
👍
fair hazel
you know a lot of people dont always wear the same thing always?
gilded mason
He was talking about his actual face.
terse lava
Mhm
fair hazel
ah, well maybe he got punched really hard.
versed helm
Halo 2 Anniversary is the arbiter and the SOS true look. The halo 5 model was just used due to time
@terse lava Wait, how do you know that?
terse lava
Simple logic
fair hazel
grim already spoke about it too i think
queen otter
They can change the design as they please.
terse lava
And I believe 343 spoke on it too
versed helm
I would have to see a credible source to believe it (no offense).
terse lava
They actually cant change it too drastically without a good reason
queen otter
They can but they wouldn’t.
versed helm
If that's the case though, I would be so happy. H2A SoS Elites are my favourite take on their designs (for the race in general).
terse lava
They are ok, tiny bit on the bulky side for my taste and those odd little hooves
Mostly just the tiny hooves that annoy me
gilded mason
Agreed.
versed helm
Oh my God, again with the feet!
gilded mason
Delete. Just...
versed helm
It's all I hear about them.
terse lava
Calm down good grief
versed helm
I was just joking, I am not being serious.
terse lava
Ok
eternal oriole
But why?
The arbiter didnt suddenly just transform into a different looking elite
versed helm
I don't think that art styles are canon.
gilded mason
Because making and animating models takes time
versed helm
As of yet anyway.
eternal oriole
Still
versed helm
There isn't a definitive art style for Halo's universe, this has been a thing for years.
versed helm
They covered him up in armour for a reason.
carmine sleet
Not that simple
eternal oriole
They shouldnt need to hide him if they just kept his original design
queen otter
The arbiter didnt suddenly just transform into a different looking elite
No designs are actually canon I don’t think. So they can change as they please and doesn’t exactly need to look the same. In no games does he look the exact same.
carmine sleet
Resource management, easier to reuse the base Elite model as the base of Arby in Halo 5 than waste time making a model specific to Arby
versed helm
They shouldnt need to hide him if they just kept his original design
@eternal oriole It would look pretty jarring to use the H2A design amongst the H5 Elites.
terse lava
It wouldn't be jarring at all
Would just be the same as kig-yar subtypes together in reach
versed helm
Yes it would be, the players have gotten used to seeing the Storm Elites. Seeing one Elite who looks different amongst the SoS troops (who had H2A designs too) would be jarring.
If they incorporated that design then it shouldn't just be one exception, otherwise it would look very strange.
terse lava
And yet that was to be the original idea before time constraints kicked in. As I said, it wouldn't be any different then Reach was with kig-yar
Whole new look to them and people.got used to it pretty fast
versed helm
I wish they did.
versed helm
And have them behave differently too (which they already do).
I'd say that the Storm Elites are more aggressive and barbaric.
terse lava
Agreed
versed helm
what ever happened to the skirmisher from reach
gilded mason
They're around in the not-game media, doin' stuff.
obsidian thistle
And they are not extinct.
*Game Journalist used a please believe me sorta thing that Bungie told em which isnt a great source lol.
shy dock
I read that they were at the very least going to model swords of sanghelios armor that was more covenant era but they didn’t have time
I assume the arbiters appearance is an extension of that same issue
Thought it’s gonna be even weirder if he’s suddenly a halo1-3 elite again in infinite
Shapeshifter
But I mean even the halo 1 jackals are different looking compared to halo 2-3 jackals. I wish they had time/resources to model the different variants of the covenant species for infinite but I can understand why that’s not a top priority
thick scaffold
The 4 and 5 jackals look like piranhas in my opinion
queen otter
4 and 5s jackals looks the same as the original trilogy and reach. Except their I guess “hair” is slicked back a bit.
craggy sierra
They got introduced to hair gel after the war
terse lava
The kig-yar from CE-reach had more a bird-like look while 4&5 have a more reptilian look
craggy sierra
Man I forgot that happened
tbh idk why that happened. I've kinda rationalized a lot of 343 design changes as trying to make thing make more biological sense, idk if I can say that about that one.
humble yacht
Based on that image, they started out reptilian, shifted to birdish in 3 and reach, then shifted back to reptilian
craggy sierra
I mean I don't hate the design on its own. It's just odd. Especially since I apparently wiped all memories of that redesign from my mind in like the six years since I last played H4.
humble yacht
They just suddenly had beaks in halo 3 and I feel like that doesn’t get questioned
terse lava
CE they had beaks too.
gilded mason
Personally, I like the Ibie'shan design.
terse lava
Yes it's not a bad look
gilded mason
And it's a plus that they don't have bulging eyes.
terse lava
I always figured the changes with kig-yar was similar to Darwin's finches
craggy sierra
Apparently there was a kig-yar pirate queen in a comic at one point
til
Thanks google
shy dock
There was definitely a comic that included halo 2 jackals as well as halo 3 jackals. So yeah just some varieties like Darwin’s finches. Jackals have always had a lot of different varieties so it doesn’t bother me. Only game they didn’t change in is 3-reach, and reach added skirmishers, so a new variety of jackal is presented in every game except halo 5 lol
The whole “dog breed” explanation for grunts and elites has never been a great analogy to me since dog breeds only differ so radically because of HUMAN selection, which is much much much faster and polarizing than natural selection. Idk how a species would ever have as many radically different forms as a dog in nature. But eh it’s sci-fi I’m sure someone could come up with a technically plausible explanation if they tried hard enough. Are the two forms of elites separated by an ocean or something? I’m not too familiar with the lore behind it besides the aforementioned “dog breeds” explanation
craggy sierra
I mean the covenant wasn’t exactly known for ethical treatment of grunts. I could see them forcing selective breeding.
Actually wait what? You have seen humans right? We don’t exactly all look alike.
I’d be surprised if elites never had at least a few different shades of skin or scales and stuff floating around and some differing faces.
The only real distinguishing features elites have had in-game have been their armour, and one dude missing half his mouth.
radiant sphinx
In the image associated with free-for-all scoring in the Halo Reach campaign lobby, several spartans are chilling in an aircraft with the sides open. It's not a falcon and vaguely resembles a pelican, but I was wondering if it's a canon vehicle or just concept art
last anchor
Concept art I believe. Most of the stuff for background is concept art
glacial dock
How does a slipspace bomb work? Like does it teleport things to a unknown place or does it make an object implode on itself?
terse lava
It just opened an uncontrolled portal into slipspace. Everything in the portal just gets taken into slipspace with no way out
glacial dock
So theoretically if there was a way out of slipspace can you say that Jorge is still alive??
gilded mason
No.
The radiation alone would have quickly killed him, let alone things like dying from thirst/hunger or possibly being ripped apart by the portal expanding right next to him.
glacial dock
oof
last anchor
Slip terminations are not simple things. They're basically micro black holes
glacial dock
Why were AA wraiths so rarely used against ground targets? Wouldnt they be very effective against ground targets because fuel rods are strong against vehicles and aa wraith can easily cover an area with them?
last anchor
Not the AA variation, they fire Type-3 fuel rods that are only really useful against air vehicles. They explode like flak rounds so
glacial dock
So are using saying the fuel rods from those wraiths wont do much damage against armor?
terse lava
They would, you would have multiple large fuel rods still hitting the tank
carmine sleet
You're also asking why a vehicle with weapons specifically designed for anti air wasn't used much for ground targets. The answer is in the name of the AA Wraith
terse lava
Honestly it wasnt really the best AA weapon anyway. The Covenant had needler defense platforms to track aircraft as well
glacial dock
I mean in Halo 3 the aa wraith would kill anything with ease and most of the time, the weapons in the games were nerfed versions of the lore weapons (ex: assault rifle, plasma rifle etc)
@carmine sleet
versed helm
Does the plasma pistol possess tracking properties with its overcharged shots in the canon?
versed helm
Does the plasma pistol possess tracking properties with its overcharged shots in the canon?
I don't think it does
obtuse sonnet
Thoughts on will 043?
versed helm
I don't think it does
@versed helm Thanks!
pulsar grail
ember tusk
and in reach it locks on
it does it in most games but only slightly nothing compared to the needler
carmine sleet
They were talking about in lore, not in gameplay
versed helm
I'm talking canonically, I'm not referring to how it performs for gameplay.
lethal comet
What would happen if all the weapons in game were as powerful as they are in the books?
versed helm
The game would be very boring.
lethal comet
needler would be op
carmine sleet
The games would have horrible balance
versed helm
All Forerunner weapons would be one-shot-one-kill
glacial dock
Fellas why do the humans use pump action shotguns when they just are capable of making semi auto and fully auto shotguns?
versed helm
Rule of Cool.
glacial dock
Idk man fully auto shotgun seems thr most cool
lethal comet
pump action gives satisfaction
glacial dock
Mow down a ton flood in a short periid of time.
limpid meadow
Gameplay. We know at least the M45D is capable of semi-automatic fire, but it isn't featured in-game. Presumably the UNSC is more than capable of making automatic shotguns. We just don't see them because gameplay takes precedent.
For example, the BR is capable of semi- and fully automatic fire, but we generally don't see that in-game.
lethal comet
Was Mack and Sif's love the only instance of two AI showing affection?
versed helm
Wait, there were AI who experienced that?
versed helm
Sounds like they need resetting.
slim thorn
But having automatic shotgun means your accuracy will be horrible and it can be only best-used on a close combat. Imagine line XM1014 auto-shotgun or even AA-12 where it possess decent firepower, it lacks range and even accuracy on longer range. M45D is literally a "One-Hit Kill" weapon on a very close range while for auto-shotgun, your firepower can be decreased due to not having enough power to burst those 12 Gauge out with full potential.
stoic hamlet
Shotguns IRL are more like short ranges rifles
Especially with slug rounds.
You could probably cross-map someone with a shotgun on the smaller maps if it was realistic.
Also, the pump is presumably a failsafe for jamming.
opal birch
Also even with the existence of an fully automatic shotgun like the AA-12, militaries aren't in a scramble to adopt them. They have a limited use in military service now.
last anchor
Reloading thems not exactly easy even with magazines.
Normal shotguns arent exactly common use in the field either, they see more use among police and riot control squads.
So a fully automatic shotgun isnt going to be too likely
opal birch
I should have clarified that I meant shotguns in general have a limited role in militaries
I've seen MPs carry them and infantry have used them for breaching doors
And that's about it
stoic hamlet
I can see them once more become widespread due to ships, but yeah in the modern day not so much.
glacial dock
But cant you argue that full auto shotgun would be useful against flood hordes tho?
I mean a pump shotgun can only kill so much flood at a time
while the full auto version can mow them down with ease
queen otter
With a pump I feel like your shots would be more controlled rather than having a full auto.
Even against flood
glacial dock
pump action shotgun also has to load rounds one by one
but if you havea shotgun like the aa12
you just put in a magazine
much faster reload
queen otter
That also goes back to controlled shots.
glacial dock
You dont really need to aim that much if you are that close range
queen otter
If you have a full auto shotgun you are probably going to miss a few shots if you are holding down the trigger. There’s going to be recoil.
glacial dock
I mean no one is going to use a shotgun for medium range
You can fire it in bursts
like the assualt rifle
opal birch
@stoic hamlet Marines and Sailors conduct VBSS (Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure) with rifles primarily, with shotguns and handguns supplementing them. So I really don't think shotguns will be any more widespread in military operations than they are now.
Shotguns don't need to be full autos to have a mag
semi-auto and pump are probably more controllable
Fully automatic fire is best used as way to suppress enemies anyway
last anchor
And you dont suppress the flood more or less
opal birch
Yeah suppression doesn't work with flood
glacial dock
I wasnt really talking about supression. I am talking about kill more flood in a smaller period of time so that you can survive for a longer period of time. With a pumpy you are really limited by a gun's pump action and you can get overwhelmed easily. You can see this when you play the library on halo combat ce on legendary.
Also sailors and marines are conventional enemies but the flood is anything but conventional.
Also the recoil aspect wouldnt matter that much for spartans because they can easily fire the sniper rifle which uses a caliber higher than a 50 bmg. Of course this is far in the future, so Misriah Armory would probably have figured a system to tame the recoil of a fully auto 12 gauge
opal birch
The AA-12 has very manageable recoil
and semi automatic fire is a thing
and is just better
you're not wasting ammo spraying and praying
slim thorn
Yeah, defeating flood more better using auto-shotgun rather than a pump one. Best shotgun used is an automatic ones with addition of magazine system installed in it. UNSC could be reluctant to approve this, but it could be very necessary since Flood often relies on their sheer numbers to overwhelm their foe.
With those auto-shotgun introduced, Flood will have quite a hard time breaching UNSC defensive line since the Marines won't need to pump their shotgun every time they fire. Each pump could cost their life for the infection, while auto is making the Marines have more oddities to survive.
opal birch
Just give me a semi auto shotgun with a box mag
long igloo
an auto-shotty for fighting the flood would be amazing
unique rune
...Realistically I think the UNSC would just make incendiary weapons more widespread for fighting the Flood because I really don’t think shotguns would be that effective.
slim thorn
The flood will go on berserk when they are caught on fire for a while, so UNSC will got hard time when they use incendiary rounds on close range.
opal birch
use explosive shotgun rounds
slim thorn
Too risky
opal birch
Have you seen modern explosive shotgun rounds? They will wreck your day
If you're a regular UNSC grunt and you're in close proximity to Flood, things have completely sideways anyway.
UNSC is just better off evac-ing who they can and then just nuke the site from orbit
terse lava
I still love how somehow the Infinity has had spartan teams dealing with flood outbreaks post war
slim thorn
Dude, that is literally UNSC surrendering their land to the Flood and giving them room to expand. UNSC won't let the Flood gets it by any means necessary.
lethal comet
I really hate the infection flood in halo 5
terse lava
It's on forerunner facilities, not human territory. What I find funny about it is that somehow have all these outbreaks post war
carmine sleet
I really hate the infection flood in halo 5
The Flood aren't in Halo 5
terse lava
Think they met to say the halo 4 gametype infection
opal birch
@slim thorn You're missing the whole nuking the site from orbit bit I mentioned
That would literally vape the Flood
terse lava
Or risk blowing flood particles away. It's not as clean as plasma
slim thorn
Nuking the site is also a very last ditch effort for UNSC. Restoring those lands could takes a decades even with terraforming technology and radiation cleaning technology.
fair hazel
UNSC nukes seem to be relatively clean..
opal birch
If the flood is overrunning a site then it's already lost
last anchor
Glassings more accurate anyway, oddly enough.
terse lava
Lands? What lands? These are on forerunner facilities not human worlds
slim thorn
Nukes is still nuke and as long as it was still using radiation, it will still leaves a radiation field.
fair hazel
halo
slim thorn
UNSC can't even send a researcher there if that happens
Though glassing is much better
last anchor
I mean they could deploy S-IV teams in Pioneer armor.
Or one of the other specifically designed hazardus enviroment scouting armors
terse lava
The flood aren't really affected by radiation like other races
opal birch
All nukes leave radiation
last anchor
I forget how many there are but there's like two/three kinds
slim thorn
Should UNSC got GDI's Ion Cannon Strike, then they can use it more efficiently since it's cleaner than nuke
opal birch
But nuke blasts are freaking hot as heck
heat would vaporize any flesh within the blast radius
reef gull
ja
opal birch
You can still send a robot to a radioactive zone
terse lava
Within thr blast radius, key word there. Plasma from a covenant ship could spread out easier then just the initial sitt
last anchor
It literally sets the air on fire on impact doesnt it?
Causes a roiling firestorm so hot it literally turns flesh and bone to ash.
Like that poor Marine seeing the fireball incoming in The Return motion comic.
opal birch
You do realize that the UNSC has nukes that make the Tsar Bomb look like a paperweight?
terse lava
Yep
last anchor
There's very little out there that can survive a plasma bombardment strike. Even outside of the Halo universe.
Durasteel, wraithbone, tyranid chiten, whatever fake sounding concrete RWBY uses, RWBY aura itself, Grimmbone, ceramite, whatever the Federation makes its ships from...
It all melts and boils away under plasma.
The covenant called it a "cleansing beam" for a reason
terse lava
Conker the point is plasma is far more efficient then a nuke when it comes to the flood
opal birch
and the UNSC doesn't have any plasma weaponry that comes close to an energy projector
terse lava
Mhm
terse lava
My point was it's not as clean or as efficient as plasma. Sure they have too, but you would think they would have a SOS warship tag along for these type of things
opal birch
In any case @slim thorn if the UNSC wanted to study an area that's inhospitable to humans and they didn't want to send people, they could always use probes and rovers, like current space agencies.
That's assuming either the SOS had ships to spare during the civil war, or if ONI even wanted them to know that stuff
last anchor
ONI probably stole at least one Covenant ship at some point. Theres busted ones floating around all over the place
opal birch
If they did, then they hadn't haven't made any breakthroughs with reverse-engineering energy projectors yet
terse lava
Well that's good
last anchor
Installing it into UNSC ships would take YEARS most likely. And I get the feeling ONI might like having a little trump card in case they might need it.
But if nothing else, if it IS the Flood, then the SOS might be willing to lend a ship or two. Thel and Rtas both know the danger of the Parasite.
They faced it first hand. Rtas glassed New Mombasa and Voi
opal birch
Though based on how ONI has operated post-war, I'm not even sure if they keep SOS in the loop
terse lava
Knowing ONI half the galaxy would be consumed ed before they cave and ask the SOS for help
radiant heart
gilded mason
So, like, literally this article from the wiki page?
https://www.halopedia.org/Flood
terse lava
👍
gilded mason
👍
slim thorn
@last anchor Remember when UNSC takes Covenant Borer from Ascendant Justice and fitted to UNSC Gettysburg? It was done in less than one day and it's immediately operational.
last anchor
To be fair they did have like 60+ Huragok to help so
And I think mounting a slip-drive is a little bit simpler than a plasma projector, considering most of a Covenant ship is built with the projector in mind, same as how UNSC ships are built around MACs
But maybe they have managed it and they're hiding it cause they're ONI
versed helm
Well, ONI does have a history for hiding stuff
So it could very well be
This sounds like a dumb question but, how is plasma based weaponry more efficient than nukes?
lethal comet
No radiation and take way less resources than nukes.
coarse prairie
The exceptions are Spartan Lasers and the Spirit of Fires heaviky modded vehicles (also if u consider Halo5 multiplayer weapons "reverse engineered")
carmine sleet
Which weapon are you saying are reverse engineered in Halo 5?
versed helm
What other Covenant fleets participated in the Fall of Reach besides the Fleet of Particular Justice
humble yacht
whatever fleet was there during the events of Halo Reach
versed helm
So whatever happened to the ship that Keyes commanded after its return to Reach?
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
versed helm
Probably was still being repaired when the Fall of Reach happened and probably was destroyed either by glassing or orbital bombardment
So if you were a civilian on Reach when the Fall of Reach happened,what would you do?
carmine sleet
Try to get off the planet
queen otter
I mean what could you do? You’d most likely be killed. But in the small chance you aren’t killed. You probably wouldn’t be able to get to any ships in time so ultimately the planet would be glassed and you’d prolly die.
Especially if you are near city areas.
versed helm
That sucks
versed helm
F
round comet
F
round comet
are we talking about the game or the planet
round comet
F
versed helm
F
dense compass
F
versed helm
So what was Tribute's population before the Battle of Tribute?
versed helm
So what did the Forerunners use Reach for?
sudden gulch
i didn´t know that the Forerunners knew reach
versed helm
Other than that ship that as encased in a glacier
craggy sierra
Halsey’s lab was literally outside a giant forerunner ruin
ionic arch
@versed helm as far as i know they didn't use reach for anything
dense compass
I think that even humans don't know what was happaned there
sudden gulch
*happening
ionic arch
@versed helm just to shelter the population and explore mineral resources
versed helm
So i'm listening to the Halo Cryptum audiobook and i got a question,what was the so called "special food" that Bornstellar ate after his Brevet mutation?
hexed sand
hot cheetos
sudden gulch
LMAO
lethal comet
Doritos and mountain dew
round comet
So i'm listening to the Halo Cryptum audiobook and i got a question,what was the so called "special food" that Bornstellar ate after his Brevet mutation?
@versed helm i think you mean Inchukoa, its an ingest chemical required before entry into a cryptum.
wait AFTER brevet mutation? yeah i dont think that one been specified.
lethal comet
was being vegetarian a part of the mantle
round comet
was being vegetarian a part of the mantle
their belief in the mantle of responsibility is likely to have made an impact.
terse lava
Yea, forerunners at the time of the precursor's rule likely ate meat, but over the eons the belief in the mantle changed to inude not eating the flesh of unfortunates
versed helm
Wasn't the supposed "cure" that Ancient Humanity used against the Flood basically just some genetic engineering?
hey
can someone explain something to me. its very easy for you guys but i just dont get it
howcome some flood can pick up guns but others cant
last anchor
Depends on if they have usable arms or not, or how the FSC mutates the host.
Notice the large tentecals that explode out of the host's wrist in most combat forms.
But for the most part, once the Flood infects a host with knowlage of how to operate a weapon, the entire outbreak can commander said weapon.
Its just a limit of how many guns there are avalible to it.
round comet
Wasn't the supposed "cure" that Ancient Humanity used against the Flood basically just some genetic engineering?
@versed helm
not really no.
the primordial basically confirmed that there was NO cure.
last anchor
The Flood was on X Games mode. Outthinking ALL the peeps
round comet
^ well actually the primordial said that humanity sacrificed 1/3rd of their population
and then the flood just "left"
.
and then the forerunners being forerunners thought that due to humanity's primitive nature they just "deleted" the cure so that forerunners couldnt get their hands on it.
humble yacht
I wouldn’t call that primitive, I’d call that vindictive
Or maybe business savvy, depending on who you ask
versed helm
So how do the Forerunners reproduce?..do they reproduce like humans do or by cloning?
carmine sleet
They don't reproduce by cloning
round comet
well, the traditional way probably.
versed helm
I'd imagine that Forerunner infants would look ugly as yoink
carmine sleet
They would likely imagine human kids look ugly as well
carmine sleet
Unknown
last anchor
The didact and the Librarian had their 12 kids the normal way apperently so they can reproduce through standard means
versed helm
So what kind of scenario would we see if both the UNSC and the SOS discover Charum Hakkor?
last anchor
Theres nothing left on it is there? They might have found it already
All the Precursor stuffs gone following the Activation, its just a bare, plain planet.
Some people theorize Reach might be Charum Hakkor
versed helm
But from what i recall,Charum Hakkor and the system that it's in is located at the edge of the galaxy
versed helm
The Charum Hakkor system was a planetary system located in the borders of the Milky Way Galaxy. Once the heart of the prehistoric human empire, the system had fifteen planets, three of which were major human colonies; these included the system's namesake and most significant world, Charum Hakkor. The rest were mined for ore and volatiles. The system's blue star was known to be on the extreme edge of the galactic halo. The stars of the galaxy could only be seen in one hemisphere of the night sky, while the other was the blackness of the intergalactic void.
last anchor
Guess its not Reach then.
Still, I dont think there'd be anything there for the SOS and UNSC to find...
versed helm
True
And Faun Hakkor is a desolate wasteland that suffered an ecological collapse
As for Ben Nauk,no idea
Not sure what that planet is like now
last anchor
Probably still a wasteland 100,000 years later
glacial dock
Considered that the Forerunners are basically vegetarians
@versed helm I mean when you think about it. Vegetables uses alot LESS resources than cattle, pork, and animals. Dont have to worry much about pollution. Of course the forerunners were prolly advanced enough to make a very convicing "moa" burger
So yea an advanced race would prolly chose veggies instead of animals for food
fresh vortex
how did the arbiter get off of the dawn?
carmine sleet
When the rescue crews went to the front half's crash site, they cut him a way out of the wreckage
We see this in Halo 3
fresh vortex
oh so that’s what happened in the epilogue
last anchor
Yeah.
fresh vortex
i didn’t know the dawn was cut in half
carmine sleet
It was, the other half is where Chief was between Halo 3 and 4
fresh vortex
yeah i’m literally just seeing the epilogue after like a decade since i first beat it
glacial dock
@fresh vortex Wait Asaura I thought I saw you on the UMD discord
last anchor
Theres a lot of crossover for people here.
I know a bunch of guys on this sever from the Halopedia one
fresh vortex
oh wow
versed helm
Nice
versed helm
Does anyone else besides me want to see a concept art of what Marontik looked like
fair hazel
Ooo that would be cool. I've imagined it in my head, but it was a bit brown
jolly furnace
I mean it would look like a primitive village or town.
With a hodgepodge of technolgy
wooden boats
hot air balloons
hunter gatherer community
fair hazel
Primitive village or town with hot air balloons...
i imagine like the hor air baloons but big platforms and animals and stuff
versed helm
How did Kat lose her arm? Is this unknown?
glacial dock
Kat's death was a Katastrophe
versed helm
It's on a mission to destroy a covenant cruiser where she unfortunately gets partially hit by a banshee bomb
There her arm said bye bye
Oh! It was in that trailer?
fair hazel
yes
versed helm
Yep
I didn't even notice... I'm so silly sometimes.
I don't think you can see it there
But it is like that in lore
queen otter
Yes you see it.
versed helm
No I mean the arm flying away
queen otter
Oh no of course that wasn’t seen.
versed helm
Yeah
simple locust
Did the San'Shyuum in the Covenant and potentially their other societies have a caste system?
versed helm
Lmao, I don't think they would have included the arm shooting off in the air.
Did the San'Shyuum in the Covenant and potentially their other societies have a caste system?
@simple locust what's a caste system?
That requires a mature rating, a rating that has never been a part of Halo.
simple locust
A system by which people are born into a class in society, I think. I recall Broken Circle talking about lower broods.
kind badge
Is playing halo 3 alone or co op more canon to the lore
versed helm
I think solo
versed helm
On the mission the covenant you go to turn of the barrier and there are three teams : chief , arby and Johnson, but when playing on Co op arby comes with ya to turn of the first, wich makes no sense
versed helm
Also on the mission cortana, chief is supposed to go alone to get her, arby only joins on the end when escaping high charity but on Co op he's with you all the time
versed helm
I don't remember too
But he only comes in at the end of the mission that I know for sure
carmine sleet
He shows up near the end to help Chief out
fair hazel
Sometimes solo sometimes coop
stoic hamlet
Whenever Arbiter is there in Solo Uze and....N’tho (I think) are also there.
Maybe not for the last two missions though.
terse lava
N'tho and Usze only appear for 3rd and 4th co cop. Though canon-wise they apparently joined in the control room assault
stoic hamlet
That’s what I mean yeah. I believe they were canonically wherever Arby was when you play solo, barring the last two missions.
terse lava
I'm not sure on that 🤔
jolly furnace
@fair hazel I mean Marontik was basically just a hunter gatherer community with some understanding of steam power and the invented hot air balloons. (The sky over Marontik was frequented by hot-air balloon airships of all sizes and colors.)
last anchor
I doubt they were on Earth with him when they got Chief.
But they're probably with him on the Ark at least for the control room assuault. They probably stopped at the door and held back whatever reenforcements the Covenant sent, or cleared the way through the Flood
jolly furnace
I wonder if the Lifeworker research station north of Marontik was removed prior to the Halo firing or has seen been buried underground.
fair hazel
steam power + hot air baloons is cool
jolly furnace
That was bascially the apex of their tech sophistication
glacial dock
That requires a mature rating, a rating that has never been a part of Halo.
@versed helm lmao I thought halo always had a mature rating. Also having limbs cutoff still puts it as a nature rating. Alo of games like Doom, Fallout, and gwars of war have exploding ljmbs and they are only rated mature.
terse lava
As for the lifeworker facility, would say most likely taken apart as material for the portal along with the main ship.
feral perch
@versed helm Dude every Halo game minus both Halo Wars, SA and SS, and Halo 5 have had a mature rating from the ESRB
terse lava
Which is weird seeing as only the flood warrant M rating
glacial dock
Really?
terse lava
What? You think shooting the Covenant gets the M rating?
Only the flood can be blown apart or ripped to shreds
surreal scarab
How would you describe the server
terse lava
Alright
versed helm
Wait,from what i recall,there were also farms that were located near Marontik
terse lava
Think so, and a cavern where dead royalty were preserved in honey
versed helm
And those "sacred caves"
Upon maturing, males in the greater Marontik area would traditionally undergo rite of passage which involved being led through a series of "sacred caves" located a day's journey from Marontik. These caves contained myriad paintings describing the humans' beliefs about life and death.During the ceremony, the caves would be fumed with the smoke of intoxicating leaves and with the initiate's body covered in clay, elder shamans would carve a series of ritual scarification designs to his back, shoulders, ribs and chest using bone knives. Those who had undergone the ritual would often repeat the mantra "for so I have seen in the sacred caves" to affirm their belief in what they had seen.
shy cedar
In the canon ending to ODST, the rookie confronts a corrupt cop in the tunnels of the superintendent’s core
Now this guy was probably an average cop, maybe he was SWAT or something better trained
Do you think, he thought he could actually out-draw a SpecOps trooper?
terse lava
Dont see why, there's nothing indicating to my knowledge he was partially skilled
digital hornet
The One elite that could rag doll Master Chief - “Xytan’ Jar Wattinree”
near tide
Yeah xytan could beat chief
fair hazel
Uh, we don't have much indication that he could.
near tide
Xytan was a legend and he had never lost a fight, as well as the prophets themselves were so scared of him they had to banish him to the far reaches of covenant space
Chief could have lost many fights but numerous plot devices saved him
Plus Xytan is the largest elite ever recorded, so he must have been immenseley strong so able to take chief on hand-to-hand
fair hazel
We have words of his legend, but no actual action
he does have a tall hat.
Maybe he was brilliant etc but, straight up fight, we'd need more than a legend.
surreal scarab
Hey @terse lava can you say wort wort wort
terse lava
He was also (jokingly admittedly) said to wear boots to make himself appear taller too. And used holograms for the same thing
surreal scarab
Thanks @terse lava very funi
kind badge
Well he did try to shoot rookie at point blank with a shotgun, spec ops or not that should kill any normal human
stoic hamlet
Rookie could have easily taken him. He had a promise to keep, after all, and there were plenty of rocks left to throw.
pallid geyser
so does anyone know what data exactly was it that cortana downloaded from the forerunner ship buryied on reach before six took her to the pillar of autumn?
gilded mason
Navigation data.
opal birch
to Installation 04
pallid geyser
to the forerunner homeworld, or to 04?
gilded mason
04, yes
pallid geyser
okay but when the auttum found 04, it was due to blind, random jump, did cortana influence it behind the scenes?
gilded mason
She basically lied, yeah.
pallid geyser
ah okay, thanks for clearing that up
im guessing she lied cuz keys didnt have the clearance
last anchor
Technically what she found was Forerunner navigation data, that let her use the data in the cyrstal Blue Team found on Sigma Octanus IV.
And counting for stellar drift...
She found a point that would lead them into deep space away from Earth and she knew the Covenant would follow
pallid geyser
ah okay, thanks orca
last anchor
RED FLAG was still technically in operation at that point so
pallid geyser
wiat whats RED FLAG? is that were the UNSC tried to take prophet hostage?
gilded mason
Yeah
spring slate
I had a question, how long is each halo game like in days
craggy sierra
What? Like canonically?
gilded mason
@spring slate
Reach: 38 days
CE: 4 days
H2: 14 days
H3: 25 days
H4: 4 days
H5: 6 days
(including time spent in slipspace)
remote spruce
Man Reach needed to halve that, maybe even more
craggy sierra
I mean I’d imagine taking over a whole planet takes time
pallid geyser
ehhh I think it needs to do a bit more than just showing dates on the screen to show how long its been, but its noit a huge issue
craggy sierra
Besides I don’t exactly feel like the time scale of Reach impacted much anyways
tough fulcrum
stoic hamlet
It’s a military government. Though it’s only (officially) in full control during wartime.
Not a dictatorship either, more an oligarchy.
versed helm
@feral perch I thought that a mature rating applies to 17+, not 16+.
stoic hamlet
Also with regards to Reach, the Covenant didn’t take the entire planet over. They never do. They only take out population centres and military bases, which depending on the strike could take hours, days, weeks, months or even years.
opal birch
@versed helm In the US, an M rating is 17+. Other countries' rating systems are different.
versed helm
Is the age rating region based? I just ch- yeah, I thought so.
All of my copies are 16+.
opal birch
@stoic hamlet the correct term to describe the UNSC during the Human-Covenant War would be a military junta
fair hazel
Reach fell in a day before.
quartz shale
^
stoic hamlet
I don’t think a junta works, it usually implies they took power by force. But the UNSC didn’t do that.
lethal comet
I just realised how much the number 7 repeats in the universe
simple locust
So how were San'Shyuum chosen to be lower broods? Just genetics?
glacial dock
@lethal comet ya its Bungies fav numba
humble yacht
The UNSC is just the military part of the UEG
versed helm
Isn't the UEG a reference to Marathon?
gilded inlet
hey lore ppl are the dots on chiefs old armor actually braille for 117?
i never noticed it before
gilded inlet
goddam thats cool
carmine sleet
And on Kelly, Fred and Linda's armour in Halo 5, their numbers are in braille on their armour as well
versed helm
There are blind members in the UNSC?
carmine sleet
I don't think it means there's people in active service who are blind
gilded inlet
i wouldnt imagine that the braille is there for blind members
versed helm
Yeah, why would a normal blind person want to know the specific service tag for a Spartan?
carmine sleet
It's more than likely there to just be a cool detail
gilded inlet
yeah
versed helm
It just sounds really pointless.
gilded inlet
i might not like the old armor as much as the classic armor or the original, but its still an awesome armor imo
versed helm
I didn't like the new design.
carmine sleet
It just sounds really pointless.
Most "rule of cool" things are kinda pointless
gilded inlet
the new armor straight up has 117 though which i personally prefer
like the package armor
carmine sleet
And with Chief's H4/5 design, I wasn't a big fan of it at first but I've grown to love the suit. Still, the new one he's got looks really nice. Just wish the visor had the grove pattern off of the Halo 4/5 armour instead
versed helm
I thought that most of the rule of cool implementations affected gameplay though.
I adore the new design, I think it looks perfect.
gilded inlet
i didnt really like the hexagons as much as just a plain flat design
yeah the new design is amazing
great job on 343s part
versed helm
My problem with H4 and H5 was how everything designed by the UNSC looked too futuristic. Not an original opinion mind you, but I don't think it's an unreasonable one.
carmine sleet
I wouldn't say anything UNSC looked too futuristic
gilded inlet
thats sort of my thoughts too
versed helm
Of course you wouldn't, not everyone thinks the same.
gilded inlet
they had the right to be futuristic but i alawys liked how tangible to old designs felt
its completely subjective but thats my own reasoning
the only design i truly didnt like was the battle rifle
it looked way to blocky to me
normal weapons should not look blocky imo
versed helm
Well, the older designs were very minimalist due to hardware limitations, but it grew on the developers. So they stuck with it.
gilded inlet
unless its like some kind of compact smg
i guess i should be more specific: i dont think rifles should be blocky
versed helm
I thought that the tech looked too "bubbly" as well.
Everything just looked like an inflated balloon.
gilded inlet
for me it was really just the battle rifle
oh the smg too but not nearly as much
on the other hand i loved the railgun
opal birch
@stoic hamlet It doesn't imply that at all, it simply describes the type of government a nation has. The UNSC did effectively operate as a military junta during the war, since it was run by military officers.
stoic hamlet
Yes it was a military junta, but correct me if I’m wrong, a key part of the definition is that such a government usually comes to power via force of arms, but the UNSC were given power by the UEG.
opal birch
Historically yes, most forms of military governments take power with force
stoic hamlet
Granted I’m probably arguing semantics here
opal birch
there are a few examples where that wasn't the case though
humble yacht
The UNSC gave back the emergency powers after the war
opal birch
we know chimera, it's mostly why we keep saying "during the war"
the German Empire during WW1 effectively became a military dictatorship, not though a coup, just due to the fact that generals gained so much influence over the Kaiser (cause of the war) that the civilian government basically worked for them.
same thing with the Japanese Empire, the military had the ability to veto undesirable governments and a number of key cabinet posts were held by military officers instead of civilians
UNSC became a military junta only because the UEG ceded their authority to them during the war
glacial dock
I mean I am suprised UNSC gave back emergency powers after the war. Normally governments like to never let go of those powers
"Never waste a good tragedy"
or something like that
opal birch
Yep, I suppose that says a lot about HIGHCOM
main siren
Well, UNSC are still no saints, that's for sure
glacial dock
ehh at least they are protecting us from space aliens who want to wipe us out
fair hazel
What other choice did they have ?
Also the UNSC still kinda has more authority even having relinquished a lot of power
opal birch
It's more like ONI still calls the shot from the shadows
last anchor
ONI is what the secret agences of our world wish they could be.
Truly omnipresent and almost omnipotent.
fair hazel
ONI is part of the UNSC
glacial dock
Fellas do you all think it was necessary for ONI to abduct children for teh spartan program?
gilded mason
For the Spartan Program itself, yes, children would be needed to actually survive the enhancements. Whether the program was required in the first place...I feel like it probably wasn't "needed", persay.
glacial dock
Oh shoot HiddenXperia is on this server
grave swift
The logic made sense for the use of children. More easily able to take to the augmentations. More easily able to be indoctrinated. It's just still immoral and unethical.
queen otter
Fellas do you all think it was necessary for ONI to abduct children for teh spartan program?
Yeah or the galaxy would be in pieces if it wasn’t because for Chief so yes.
grave swift
Easy to say in hindsight, of course.
gilded mason
Indeed.
grave swift
Personally, I always felt the S-III Program was more insidious. Those kids were always meant to die to buy time.
versed helm
Is there any lore that covers the anatomy for the members of the Covenant? I think that I remember something mentioning the Sangheili having two hearts but I believe that's incorrect.
versed helm
That's strange, what do they need two hearts for?
gilded mason
Stuff.
grave swift
Probably best to skim Halopedia for that stuff. Otherwise, its all probably scattered across various books, etc.
stoic hamlet
Ehh, it’s not so much the III’s were “meant to die”.
It was that, if they did their loss was acceptable compared to the ludicrously expensive II’s.
versed helm
I tried to use the unofficial dissection from CE, but the layout of the organs wass scrambled by the Flood spore.
I presume that the organ layout for the Brutes is very similar to apes found on Earth.
grave swift
Their purpose was to buy time. Massive losses were inevitable.
stoic hamlet
Inevitable doesn’t mean intended.
It’s a semantic hang up, but imo it’s still worth noting.
grave swift
I don't know. A bunch of super soldiers you can use to buy time and, perhaps, have vanish seems like it'd be a good ONI move. No unnecessary questions.
humble yacht
Nobody hoped or wanted the IIIs to die on their missions, but they were sent with the expectation that many would die
grave swift
I mean, yeah its semantics, but those kids were given very crappy odds and were ever only meant to buy time for humanity.
stoic hamlet
Depending on the operation yes.
It’s like.....if you have an RTS, one unit you simply can’t afford to lose, but another you can, so you send that unit in. You don’t intend on that unit dying, it’s a possibility, of course, but not intended.
versed helm
Wouldn't it be very convenient if they died though? They wouldn't exactly be able to voice their opinions on the controversial methods ONI conducted to train and use them for missions.
stoic hamlet
I mean, basically both major suicide missions only ended up as deadly as they were due to factors outside anyone’s control.
Had the Cruisers not been there during the TORPEDO assault I doubt any of Beta would have been killed.&
None of them objected
humble yacht
The indoctrination made it so that they didn’t question the nature of their missions or their transformations
stoic hamlet
^^^
grave swift
They started indocrinatting some of them as young as 4. 4.
stoic hamlet
Yep
humble yacht
Even after the war, Jun didn’t retire and sue ONI
He went to the UNSC and advocated for more Spartans
versed helm
I probably need to refresh my memory by reading GoO, were they aware that they were going to be used as assets rather than people?
stoic hamlet
They knew they would be used for high risk missions with a high chance of death, yeah.
humble yacht
Sure. That was the case with the IIs as well
grave swift
Can 4, 5, and 6 year olds really comprehend the stakes of such a thing?
stoic hamlet
They wouldn’t have been told that right away.
versed helm
They had to ease them into it.
grave swift
They sold them on the idea of revenge. But still, we're talking about kids who barely have an idea on how to tie their shoes.
stoic hamlet
But by the time they were told they were all probably fine with it.
Many saw it as ensuring humanity survived another year, another decade, etc.
No one’s saying it was right
Just that, by the time they knew, they were fine with it based upon what they knew.
humble yacht
Spartan 3s were like young Bruce Wayne in the alley and ONI came to them with Batman suits
versed helm
Lmao.
grave swift
Wonder if the indoctrination had anything to do with that.
stoic hamlet
I don’t think so for many.
versed helm
Well, the Spartan 3s were built on the foundation of being victimised by the war, for the 2s, they didn't really have a choice.
They kind of just exploited their vulnerabilities.
stoic hamlet
It’s like Olivia says in Last Light, the idea of revenge wasn’t really part of it by the time they graduated, they all generally just wanted to make sure what happened to them didn’t happen to anyone else.
That could just be Olivia generalizing, of course.