It'll have to if the setting isn't willing to move forward a decade or two.
#lore-and-universe
gilded mason
shy dock
Disagree. Even with a formal treaty there will always be those on both sides who refuse to move on
craggy sierra
tbh I think Infinite is setting up for the universe to have to be forced to play nicely
terse lava
I guess
versed helm
We'll see.
shy dock
Sure, and they will fight together when they need to. But people won’t forget
terse lava
Least in the bright side, no more humanity being a power house
gilded mason
We'll see what happens after Infinite, eh?
craggy sierra
It's 3 years set after H5. That's 3 years stuck under Cortana and the guardians that has probably toppled government infrastructures from the top down.
terse lava
Wait 3 years?
versed helm
I still think that was such a stupid move.
terse lava
Dont think it's that far ahead
gilded mason
Ado, it's at least 2561 now
craggy sierra
2561 is when Infinite takes place according to a date in the trailer
gilded mason
Could be later.
terse lava
Ah had not noticed that
shy dock
I’m sure humans will be fighting along elites. But do you think we won’t be fighting any of the covenant remnants? Seems unlikely to me
gilded mason
We know there'll be mercenaries and people like that.
craggy sierra
Either case everyone spends years getting unanimously curb stomped by Cortana it'll kinda force co-operation to rebuild the galaxy and governments and it could push Halo forward into a new era of story telling focused around everyone being splinted on politics, ideologies, etc etc.
Now that sounds like a setting that could give a lot of interesting stories for years to come
shy dock
Well like I said, I think there will most likely be a strong coalition of humans and Sangheili
But splinter groups for sure
And most likely some discrimination even within the main group
If it’s all friendship and rainbows I’ll be disappointed because I don’t see that as realistic
craggy sierra
I doubt it would be and I wouldn't even expect it to be
versed helm
Well, if you're in a situation where you have to co-operate, you'll develop some form of connection with others. You literally have to.
shy dock
Well that’s all I’m really saying. I definitely think Sangheli and humans will work together. They already did at the end of the human-covenant war and that worked out great for us tbh
craggy sierra
But you could use that setting to tell many more stories that are buried in political and idealogical values of characters instead of Halo's trend of a new apocalypse every week that at this point pretty much is assured to never happen
gilded mason
^
shy dock
Idk game developers tend to invent new apocalypse scenarios every game. I’d be cool with them scaling it back a little but MS wants the high stakes stories cause it sells I guess
I’d be happy to be wrong though
How many times can master chief realistically save the universe you know
craggy sierra
As of right now, about 3 times, probably going of 4
versed helm
Well that depends on how much MS can milk him.
shy dock
I feel like they were setting Locke up to be the new main character and eventually kill off Chief, but I doubt they’d do that with lockes reception now
dim roost
How many times can master chief realistically save the universe you know
And how many times can Cortana help him?
craggy sierra
That cow's probably going to run dry with Infinite and if they're able to acknowledge it, it would be for the best
shy dock
I don’t think Cortana is coming back to our side at this point
Best she gets is a darth vader esque redemption before she dies
craggy sierra
I mean regardless of whether locke was written well I think having a new protagonist kill off the old would probably not go well
At least in terms of people wanting to hear his story
shy dock
Maybe not even have Locke kill Chief. But I definitely think they wanted Locke to be the cool new hero and to phase Chief out
dim roost
I feel like they were setting Locke up to be the new main character and eventually kill off Chief, but I doubt they’d do that with lockes reception now
@shy dock Remember what was said about Infinite on Real Deal Xbox about someone leaving over creative vision? I sense an intervention.
shy dock
It would certainly explain that awful fight scene
Which is still baffling to me honestly
dim roost
No, I meant for Infinite.
shy dock
Sorry I wasn’t responding to you. I don’t think we can really speculate on that
versed helm
I wouldn't mind if John dies in Infinite, as long as the execution is done well.
shy dock
I mean we could speculate but it would just be speculation
craggy sierra
I don't even think he needs to die really but just have a new main character
gilded mason
Become a training instructor?
shy dock
Could be, good take
versed helm
No thanks.
dim roost
I wouldn't mind if John dies in Infinite, as long as the execution is done well.
Infinite is gonna hit us like a truck, just you wait.
versed helm
I don't want Sgt. Johnson 2.0.
dim roost
Become a training instructor?
@gilded mason Have a plaque on the wall and his medals and everything.
shy dock
Sgt Johnson was a cheap death. Memorable, well executed, but it only happened to add emotional weight
fair hazel
i want john to live out for as longas he biologically can
shy dock
Chief has to go eventually. Everyone in universe already calls him an old man
versed helm
Which worked if you ask me.
Sgt Johnson was a cheap death. Memorable, well executed, but it only happened to add emotional weight
@shy dock
craggy sierra
Devil May Cry was a game series that wound up running out its potential character arcs for its main character by the 3rd game and so they moved him to filling a more mentorship role to a new protagonist that wound up giving him more character growth as a result.
dim roost
i want john to live out for as longas he biologically can
@fair hazel Isn't Cutter already doing that?
shy dock
Even though at the start of halo 4 he’s physically the same age as the end of halo 3...
dim roost
Even though at the start of halo 4 he’s physically the same age as the end of halo 3...
@shy dock Cryopod magic at work.
versed helm
i want john to live out for as longas he biologically can
Then it's settled, Linda can die.
shy dock
Like when del rio calls him an aging spartan...bro from his viewpoint he saved the universe like a couple days ago and then took a nap
dim roost
Like when del rio calls him an aging spartan...bro from us viewpoint he saved the universe like a couple days ago and then took a nap
He earned that nap.
versed helm
He's probably in his late 30s to early 40s.
dim roost
Sgt Johnson was a cheap death. Memorable, well executed, but it only happened to add emotional weight
But, Johnson could've just been carried into the Forward Unto Dawn, assuming the medbay was functional.
So, Chief just leaving Johnson there was a bad idea.
shy dock
Well. He fell into the abyss
dim roost
I forgot about that.
blazing compass
Johnson survived though
shy dock
Johnson is 50 shades of dead
blazing compass
He did a darth maul and the fanbase carried him to safety
blazing compass
Yep
versed helm
Or have that dumb mech suit which he had in HW2.
dim roost
Johnson survived though
He did a darth maul and the fanbase carried him to safety
@blazing compass How would you react if he was by your side in H4 co-op?
blazing compass
That would be a dream come true
fair hazel
huh? No @dim roost
dim roost
huh? No @dim roost
@fair hazel #blacklivesmatter
dim roost
Sorry. I couldn't resist.
shy dock
Guilty spark is basically the head of the halos police force...
terse lava
Hm?
shy dock
Actually though...why weren’t there any prometheans on installation 04?
I mean they weren’t a thing yet I get that
But in universe what’s the explanation
dim roost
But in universe what’s the explanation
@shy dock The Didact was focused on the Flood, and didn't use the Prometheans until the situation demanded it.
terse lava
They were all on requiem
dim roost
There’s prometheans on zeta halo right?
Only one way to find out.
simple locust
How many humans can be composed at once?
craggy sierra
Probably however many are in range
shy dock
And there’s definitely flood on zeta halo
Yeah seems like the didact was gonna compose the whole earth
simple locust
What did Faber due to people during his experiments?
terse lava
Experiments with the flood, interegate composed essences
versed helm
I can't help but think of the user himself, Faber.
simple locust
" interegate composed essences" were those Prometheans or something else?
terse lava
The ancient humans inside the primitive humans
simple locust
Oh yeah. What were those made of?
terse lava
Composed minds
dim roost
And what about the Composer just disintegrating people? They don't count, do they?
terse lava
It takes the minds and gets rid of thr bodies
dim roost
Oh.
simple locust
Is the San'Shyuum blade from the depiction of their war with the elites canon?
versed helm
Why wouldn't it be canon?
simple locust
The drawing cut from Halo 2.
versed helm
Most of the lore they had planned for H2 became canon.
shy dock
The juggernaut comes to mind
versed helm
Oh, this was an actual weapon?
simple locust
It is sketch or simple drawing, using the same style as the other images from that war that were later turned into wall drawings in Halo 5 on Sanghelios.
simple locust
The other images appear exaggerated, such as the Prophets shooting from their fingers.
But the blade seems more realistic and somewhat likely.
versed helm
Does it resemble the blade that a Prelate would use?
simple locust
Not really, maybe like a curved machete or something like that.
versed helm
Does it look similar or identical to the cancelled design from H2?
simple locust
Which one?
versed helm
The blade that you mentioned.
simple locust
It looks kinda like a machete, and not really like the one the prelate uses, since doesn't that blade appear to have more a lot of edges?
Although in the one photo of the Prelate it is around his arm, does it change form when it is used as a melee weapon instead of a shield?
terse lava
The prelate in the image has a height shield and a modified jiralhanae plasma rifle. His shield is capable of bring a blade due to its hardlight nature so it doesnt need to actually form a blade
versed helm
Alright.
versed helm
When was the Wasp implemented into the UNSC's arsenal?
obsidian thistle
It was introduced in 2553
But tbh wiki-ing it is usually faster cause in this case I had to do that lol
versed helm
Sorry.
obsidian thistle
No need to apologise :D
versed helm
In hindsight, it was a lazy question.
fair hazel
and the honeybee yay
shy dock
Asking lazy questions is a good way to get discussion going through association imo
Ask a question about wasps, someone thinks of another question or comment about unsc aerial vehicles, etc
Like what’s the top speed of a wasp vs a banshee
Banshee has a top speed of 62mph, wasp has a top speed of 310 mph
I never would have guessed that a wasp is 5 times as fast as a banshee. But that’s what halopedian says
fair hazel
KPH please, but Banshees can go fast, but there's like different speeds
banshee is slower in loitering mode
versed helm
Lmao, loitering mode. I love it.
shy dock
It’s exactly 5 times faster. And I would assume top speed takes variable speed modes into account
Although I’m not 100% sure
versed helm
Either, I love the Wasp.
I think it was a really cool vehicle in H5.
Despite it being just the UNSC's answer to the Phaeton.
shy dock
Lowkey like it best in CE just because it can hover
versed helm
The Banshee?
versed helm
I kind of liked it but then again, I found it drifting off on its own accord to be annoying.
I'd like to see a book that focuses on Marcus Stacker's life in the UNSC.
fair hazel
I think you missed me saying in loitering mode ko Dean
terse lava
I did prefer it when the banshee did indeed just hover in the air, sad they took that away
queen otter
I think you missed that we don't care.
Let’s try to not be disrespectful.
versed helm
Does anyone have an idea on the strength of Spartan IIIs compared to Spartan IIs?
versed helm
Hmm, okay; I imagined that much, but I was curious if anyone knew how much stronger and the size of the gap between the two.
queen otter
I’d almost consider Spartan IIIs as knockoff Spartans. But lore wise I couldn’t give you a measurement of how much stronger Spartan IIs are to IIIs
vocal urchin
Both Spartan mammalians are capable of lifting hunks of metal with wheels. “Tanks” as we call them. In their mammilian body suits they are close in strength
humble yacht
Spartan 3s only really pale in comparison to 2s in terms of armor. That’s where most of the money went into the spartan 2 program, and that’s why 3s were considered “‘mass produced”
SPI was hella cheap compared to mjolnir
A spartan 3 In MJOLNIR, however, would be on par with a spartan 2. Especially considering that 3s were trained harder than 2s
stoic hamlet
versed helm
Spartan 4s are super underrated
vocal urchin
What are some of the things you like about spartan4s?
fair hazel
they're ethical
terse lava
They make good cannon fodder
vocal urchin
Well as substantial as that is erick, ethics don’t generally intersect with “cool”
BUT I would like to know why @versed helm likes them! Another viewpoint on the matter is always welcome
versed helm
I just think super soldiers who arent brainwashed child soldiers are neat
that and generally speaking they're what i would consider the ideal spartans, given their more ethical creation
hell, the master chief himself respects regular soldiers enough to consider them worthy of being spartans, to say they aren't isn't exactly a good take
carmine sleet
Did I just witness someone not attacking the S-IVs for their existence?
versed helm
ikr
carmine sleet
But honestly, agreed. Sure, I love the S-IIs and the S-IIIs are my favourites but the fact that they're child soldiers is something that shouldn't be glossed over. The S-IVs being consenting adults that have proven themselves to be considered for the program is such a good thing and makes logical sense as the technology and procedures used to create the older generations of Spartans are improved
versed helm
Wait... people dislike the Spartan 4s?
lethal comet
Guess so
versed helm
people have been hating on them since halo 4 came out
so roughly.. 8 years, give or take
I just view them as more powerful Marines really.
isnt that the point?
they're super soldiers
I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
i know
carmine sleet
Wait... people dislike the Spartan 4s?
Quite a few hate on them because of the idea that Chief was "The Last Spartan" in the original trilogy, despite the fact that it was never the case Chief was the last
Not that I'm saying you can't criticise them, I just find many of the reasons given don't actually make much sense. The same with some of the "ideas" I've heard to get rid of them all
round comet
ive actually come across some relatively compelling arguments. like how the spartan 4s kinda take away the "mythical" aspect of the spartan 2s
but most people just trash on them for reasons beyond my comprehension.
i think it has a lot to do with team osiris in halo5 aka the cardboad cutout characters
except buck he's awesome
versed helm
I don't mind Spartan 4s existing, what I don't want to see is 343i augmenting all of the previously established non-Spartan 4s to artificially boost the reception for them.
round comet
oh and, the spartan 4s are
kinda
not spartan-ish
like, the opening cutscene of h5
versed helm
What are you on about?
versed helm
Determining what defines a Spartan is subjective, especially when keeping the FOUR generations in mind. They all served different roles.
round comet
like they dont just jump in and start shooting and running that way. Spartans are not supposed to be power rangers
versed helm
Again, it depends on what the intended role was for that generation.
round comet
and they made the covenant look like a joke which they really arent
versed helm
All of the generations are not the same.
round comet
and then the chief vs locke fight
as if locke would put up a fight
(but he did)
(worst fight scene ive ever seen)
versed helm
Look, I hate H5 as much as anyone other bland fan does, but the gripes that people had are not exactly good arguments.
carmine sleet
like, the opening cutscene of h5
The opening cutscene of Halo 5 is actually quite accurate to how Spartans are portrayed in the novels when in combat
round comet
.....it is?
there's no tactical thinking, just running and gunning and jumping around
versed helm
Even then, to me, the role of a Spartan 4 is basically the replacement for normal Marines; I just see them as a form of insurance for the completion of a mission.
round comet
Look, I hate H5 as much as anyone other bland fan does, but the gripes that people had are not exactly good arguments.
i think the main flaws were poor writing and terrible execution of a decent premise
by terrible i mean, terrible
versed helm
Saying that the opening cutscene was not "Spartan-like" is rather ignorant, especially when looking at the previous cutscenes that were of similar scale.
Like any Halo Wars Spartan cutscene or the bomb sequence in H2.
round comet
im not talking about how it was executed, just, spartans are not really rambos
twin spade
Halo 5 isn't a nice game for how they add to much stuff which isn't spartan like
versed helm
im not talking about how it was executed, just, spartans are not really rambos
But referring to that cutscene does criticise execution.
twin spade
All the halo games don't have half the things
And how vale can kill an elite with the pistol and the elite walking like a slot made me angry
I love elites and I think the elite shouldn't have been slow at least
round comet
spartans think, improvise, execute.
that cutscene was them getting briefed, them jumping down and them randomly starting to shoot anything that moves without any real troubles, and just making the covenant look like a joke.
versed helm
We're referring to the Spartan 4s here.
round comet
it was there for the sake of it.
twin spade
Arent they spartan v's???
versed helm
Chief wasn't exactly briefed on the individual features of the space battle in H2; that was pretty spontaneous dude.
spartans think, improvise, execute.
that cutscene was them getting briefed, them jumping down and them randomly starting to shoot anything that moves without any real troubles, and just making the covenant look like a joke.
round comet
that was not a rescue op.
carmine sleet
Arent they spartan v's???
There's no Spartan V program
versed helm
that was not a rescue op.
That's still an example of how a Spartan 2 operated.
round comet
That's still an example of how a Spartan 2 operated.
he uh had uh cortana.
versed helm
And?
carmine sleet
Cortana being inside his head had nothing to do with his actions with the bomb
round comet
and, cortana provided him everything that he wants to know on the go.
versed helm
What about when Red Team rushed the Honour Guards in HW?
twin spade
I think that all of bungies game were not for children and halo 4 is for kids and halo 5 is complex because my friend thought me many things and I go to his house and I see how he plays it's really complex
carmine sleet
How is Halo 4 for kids?
round comet
oh so we're talking about the bomb
versed helm
I thought it was pretty clear.
twin spade
Scratch halo 4 actually I remember composer
round comet
riiight, the bomb was not a mission. his mission, was to stop the bomb. what he did was him doing something extra and NOT. THE. MISSION.
versed helm
riiight, the bomb was not a mission. his mission, was to stop the bomb. what he did was him doing something extra and NOT. THE. MISSION.
The HALO jump in H5 can easily be considered as something extra.
carmine sleet
riiight, the bomb was not a mission. his mission, was to stop the bomb. what he did was him doing something extra and NOT. THE. MISSION.
His mission was to save the station. Giving the Covenant back their bomb was him completing the mission and disabling a Covenant ship in the process
twin spade
He technically did stop
@twin spade the bomb
round comet
The HALO jump in H5 can easily be considered as something extra.
my point, is he was not a friggin power ranger and jumping around like in h5.
twin spade
Which scene last time I visited my friend was a year ago
round comet
like, thats legit what i saw osiris as in h5.
power. rangers.
twin spade
like, thats legit what i saw osiris as in h5.
power. rangers.
@round comet haha yeah they were perfect
carmine sleet
I don't remember Osiris combining their powers to summon a large mech
versed helm
That's a subjective statement, what Red Team did in HW could be regarded as reminiscent of how Power Rangers operate.
twin spade
H5 made chief look stupid
versed helm
Like they literally jump around, do somersaults and flamboyantly eliminate targets.
I'm referring to the Honour Guard scene by the way.
twin spade
K
H4 to be honest was actually ok in story
And reach I'm not able to play I have it but it keeps glitches
round comet
i loved h4's story.
twin spade
Red team is not spartan iv
round comet
yeah i did
versed helm
Red team is not spartan iv
It was an example for how Spartans can operate in extravagant ways.
twin spade
Ok
versed helm
Since he said that Spartan 4s are not "Spartan-like".
twin spade
Halo infinite should have br
round comet
theyre really really not. atleast not for me.
versed helm
Was my point fair, Caboose?
twin spade
Halo infinite should have br
@twin spade cause I don't like having same guns every time
round comet
yeah it was fair, doesnt change my view towards spartan4s in h5.
past olive
even in universe spartan iv's are not meant to be liked
round comet
that was just poor writing, canny.
past olive
the description of being just marines in power armour is used as an insult but the truth behind it is that they really are just marines in power armour with a bit of augmentation, but they weren't raised for war like the s-II's or trained at young ages like the s-III's they're just normal soldiers so they act and feel like normal soldiers, normal soldiers who now have power armour and can do things they previously couldn't so cockiness from them is inevitable
versed helm
I don't like how blue team wasn't even in the game Ik they are but rarely
Why even say that if you know that they're in the game?
round comet
the description of being just marines in power armour is used as an insult but the truth behind it is that they really are just marines in power armour with a bit of augmentation, but they weren't bred and raised for war they're just normal soldiers so they act and feel like normal soldiers, normal soldiers who now have power armour and can do things they previously couldn't so cockiness from them is inevitable
and dont have the tactical thinking of s2s.
and 3s
twin spade
Like they're in but like for two cutscenes
H5
I don't like marines design from bungee or 343
I love ODST
round comet
Like they're in but like for two cutscenes
they were poorly portrayed in h5, much like every other character in that game.
versed helm
I don't think that Buck was badly portrayed, other than him being the underdog for the group.
But he wasn't familiar with his new augmentations anyway.
round comet
buck was the closest we got to a good character in h5.
twin spade
Buck isn't the person who I would be happy meeting I would be happy meeting ODST buck
round comet
Buck isn't the person who I would be happy meeting I would be happy meeting ODST buck
its the same guy. in a power armour.
past olive
their portrayal was done like that on purpose due to the backlash 4 received of having too much emotion from the main characters so they tried making the characters in 5 more silent and bland thinking that's what players wanted, for all Chief, Blue team and team Osiris
versed helm
I think he's trying to say that Buck behaved differently as a regular soldier.
its the same guy. in a power armour.
Which is kind of true.
This was before he lost the Rookie though.
round comet
their portrayal was done like that on purpose due to the backlash 4 received of having too much emotion from the main characters so they tried making the characters in 5 more silent and bland thinking that's what players wanted, for both Chief, Blue team and team Osiris
ended up making cardboad cutouts.
and im sorry people complained about chief and cortana being 'emotional' when its perfectly normal in their situation?
twin spade
@round comet he is but he was more interesting since he was a new character buck isn't the guy you want to add back
round comet
.....what.
past olive
I'm not saying them being emotional was a bad thing, I myself like and preferred it just it wasn't what chief was like in the past
they didn't want him or cortana to change and they did
round comet
it was normal given their situation lol.
past olive
it's called character development and apparently some people didn't want any of that
round comet
lmao
past olive
so in response, 5 had little character development
twin spade
I like how halo infinite is having chiefs old armor but it won't make sense why even wear the weird armor (idk what to call it)
past olive
and that ended up being worse
versed helm
it's called character development and apparently some people didn't want any of that
I guess it's because people became accustomed to playing as a cardboard cut out of a character.
round comet
i wont call him a "cardboad cutout", he was silent most of the time but he has a character.
past olive
I like how halo infinite is having chiefs old armor but it won't make sense why even wear the weird armor (idk what to call it)
if by weird armour you mean the Spartan-IV style of armour, that's called Gen 2 armour
past olive
people wanted more of that and they didn't get that, then complained when they didn't get more of what they ended up getting from 4
round comet
i wont call him a "cardboad cutout", he was silent most of the time but he has a character.
h5 is where chief didnt feel like his old self, atlewast in h4 he was still. him.
twin spade
if by weird armour you mean the Spartan-IV style of armour, that's called Gen 2 armour
@past olive see it doesn't make sense in halo 3 he was in the old armor but in halo 4 he's in the spartan iv ????
versed helm
people wanted more of that and they didn't get that, then complained when they didn't get more of what they ended up getting from 4
@past olive To be fair, appealing to the fan base is difficult; especially now that there are two main dividing audiences.
round comet
and him being silent during gameplay was intentional, in h5 they were all talking all the time and dtill managed to be weak characters.
because of phenomenaly poor dialogue writing
past olive
@past olive see it doesn't make sense in halo 3 he was in the old armor but in halo 4 he's in the spartan iv ????
like many other people of the Halo community you're reading too much into it, the artstyle change was never meant to be an explained thing it was just meant to be "this is what he looks like now" and they never had a real reason as for why it changed, best explanation you're going to get is nanobots upgraded his armour but that's just an explanation someone came up on the spot when people asked for a reason where there was never planned to be a reason, I get people want everything explained but sometimes explaining something ruins it more than helps it
versed helm
I always thought the nanomachines argument was dumb.
past olive
because it was made up
versed helm
If that was the case, then why did the machines miss out the massive scarring on his chest plate?
past olive
someone just came up with it to appease the people who demanded an explanation
twin spade
@round comet no offense caboose but I don't like red vs blue because it is nice when it doesn't show project free lancer
past olive
there was never meant to be an explanation for the change
round comet
@round comet no offense caboose but I don't like red vs blue because it is nice when it doesn't show project free lancer
youre the first person i know who doesnt like RvB, congrats.
it was a new artstyle i dont think its that hard to understand lol
versed helm
I'm glad that I met someone else who has the same opinion as me; I thought the Project Freelancer stuff was crap.
twin spade
it was a new artstyle i dont think its that hard to understand lol
@round comet i know you just did it like that because if you were part of red vs blue you have written redvsblue employee?????
Yes true
versed helm
I didn't think that the Project Freelancer stuff was appropriate for RVB.
round comet
@round comet i know you just did it like that because if you were part of red vs blue you have written redvsblue employee?????
i was talking about the art style in the game,,,,,
I didn't think that the Project Freelancer stuff was appropriate for RVB.
why exactly?
past olive
seasons 9 and 10 are my all time favourite RvB seasons thanks to the project freelancer stuff
twin spade
Yeah if so it would actually bein Netflix for at least a month. I didn't think that the Project Freelancer stuff was appropriate for RVB.
@versed helm
versed helm
RVB was a show that didn't take itself seriously, delivering light hearted jokes on a frequent basis; it was self aware and silly. The Freelancer stuff was too serious and elaborate.
round comet
RVB was a show that didn't take itself seriously, delivering light hearted jokes on a frequent basis; it was self aware and silly. The Freelancer stuff was too serious and elaborate.
past olive
the show definitely took a turn once season 6 kicked off
round comet
they managed to be comedic while telling a fantastic dark story.
versed helm
I just preferred the original format for RVB.
twin spade
the show definitely took a turn once season 6 kicked off
@past olive you are completely right
past olive
but I can see why some people may have just preferred the usual
twin spade
I liked caboose @round comet
round comet
they managed to be comedic while telling a fantastic dark story.
yeah you can obviously prefer the blood gulch chronicles because that was absolute madness.
but you cannot deny that after season 6, the characters were better and had an actual purpose, even though they didnt really want to have one.
past olive
I always remember the blood gulch chronicles as 5 seasons of messing around and doing nothing
twin spade
yeah you can obviously prefer the blood gulch chronicles because that was absolute madness.
but you cannot deny that after season 6, the characters were better and had an actual purpose, even though they didnt really want to have one.
@round comet no I liked them before season 6
round comet
every show/movie needs a good story and good characters, thats what RvB manages to accomplish while also being hilariouis and light-hearted
versed helm
I always remember the blood gulch chronicles as 5 seasons of messing around and doing nothing
That's what I loved about it; didn't take itself seriously.
past olive
but it got boring after that long, I personally find it hard to rewatch all 5 seasons
twin spade
I liked the RvsB the ones with teams
round comet
That's what I loved about it; didn't take itself seriously.
so youre telling me that youll take 17 seasons of absolute nonsense without a purpose?
past olive
if season 6 had been more of the same I would have dropped it personally
round comet
ok maybe i would also take that, but not over what we got.
versed helm
Some characters were horribly side lined.
Like Caboose and Doughnut.
Literally just became relief characters.
past olive
Caboose was always just a relief character
versed helm
so youre telling me that youll take 17 seasons of absolute nonsense without a purpose?
With pleasure.
round comet
caboose had always been a relief character.
versed helm
I wouldn't say that.
past olive
With pleasure.
bro, that sounds incredibly boring, I may as well just go watch the simpsons
versed helm
bro, that sounds incredibly boring, I may as well just go watch the simpsons
We're not bros and people have different preferences.
round comet
^^^
twin spade
The best halo shows are
round comet
i can understand if you wanted something else, but you cant say that the characters became worse because that is not really a subjective thing.
twin spade
Literally nothing
round comet
the characters became better, and thats a fact.
twin spade
The characters became serious later
round comet
i can understand if you wanted something else.
versed helm
I just liked the original format of the show; it reminded me of Regular Show. They could have added the sense of direction in a similar fashion; having a good mix and what-not. I just think that everything past Season 6 was too serious. @past olive
past olive
yeah I can see that, I guess I just liked the change of setting, 5 seasons in the blood gulch canyon just kind of blends together to nothing in my head
versed helm
But to be fair, the evolution of certain characters was not bad either.
round comet
again, if you wanted them to continue that tone for 17 seasons, then alright thatts your preference.
past olive
I liked Tuckers change from a useless soldier to a badass
versed helm
And I didn't want it to just remain in Blood Gulch.
twin spade
I liked how in season 17 donut was treated respected
versed helm
I liked Tucker's evolution too, and how he became aware of it.
versed helm
No.
past olive
I think the creators were going for the idea of all this serious stuff happening around the main characters but the main characters themselves not caring about it too much, but it didn't turn out that way
twin spade
Good
versed helm
Lmao.
past olive
after revealing church was the alpha ai and whatnot I feel like the temptation of including the serious side into the main characters directly was too high
versed helm
I didn't mind Church being an AI but he felt like a glorified plot device at points.
past olive
I always viewed it as the teams represent the 2 sides, all the serious stuff primarily happens to blue team, church is the alpha, tucker becomes a badass, caboose is... caboose but red team more or less just stayed the same
twin spade
After church turned out to be a ai I was sad and happy since tucker became badass and sad because church dies
versed helm
He was never a person though.
twin spade
He was technically
past olive
sarge, simmons and grif and donut never really changed, donut changed the most as a more comic relief character but that was it
versed helm
That really annoyed me (what they did to Doughnut).
twin spade
But better then Cortana . Cortana sucks
round comet
||imagine if the AI in infinite is church||
But better then Cortana . Cortana sucks
how dare you
versed helm
church = cortana of rvb
Not true at all.
past olive
But better then Cortana . Cortana sucks
it's treason then
twin spade
Cortana got annoying
versed helm
Blame 343i.
twin spade
Yes indeed
past olive
if you mean 5, understandable, if you mean 4...
twin spade
H5
past olive
round comet
Not true at all.
cortana = flash clone of mad scientist.
church = flash clone of mad scientist
cortana and church are both smart AIs btw
with thier own feelings and tsuff
stuff
twin spade
Isn't church cloned from director
versed helm
if you mean 5, understandable, if you mean 4...
I was referring to H5.
past olive
yeah H5 cortana kinda sucked
versed helm
cortana and church are both smart AIs btw
Both of them interact with characters in completely different ways.
past olive
but more the reveal she's evil now sucked
twin spade
She is annoying as hell
versed helm
What they need to do is make her villainy painful for us, not annoying.
past olive
they should have presented it better, like maybe she's still alive but is being held prisoner by the forerunner remnants on genesis, but upon finding her there chief discovers it was actually her who activated the guardians
past olive
but, basically as soon as you discover she's alive you're told she's evil
twin spade
H5 Cortana was basically didact it would have been if didact returned and didn't make a comic
round comet
but, basically as soon as you discover she's alive you're told she's evil
good premise, terrible execution
past olive
I would have loved to go on a cortana rescue mission, find her, possibly even try to escape with her before realising she's controlling everything
twin spade
I actually think it would have been nice if Cortana really died
past olive
I would have preferred that honestly
round comet
I would have preferred that honestly
it certainly wouldve been a lot better.
past olive
so many good idea's for Halo 5, none of them truly explored to me
round comet
I actually think it would have been nice if Cortana really died
and how do you think the story would continue after that?
versed helm
I would have preferred it if they made the betrayal as emotionally painful as possible.
round comet
I would have preferred it if they made the betrayal as emotionally painful as possible.
YES
past olive
the betrayal was just, everyone one knew it, everyone, even blue team, even Chief just Chief didn't want to acknowledge it
round comet
^^
twin spade
and how do you think the story would continue after that?
@round comet master chief finds out he is forerunner related and then didact comes back and they both fight for the forerunner and covenant teams up again with diadact and chief uses a bomb to destroy holy city and didact included and humanity is now safe and so is sanghelioes and unhappy and etc
round comet
@round comet master chief finds out he is forerunner related and then didact comes back and they both fight for the forerunner and covenant teams up again with diadact and chief uses a bomb to destroy holy city and didact included and humanity is now safe and so is sanghelioes and unhappy and etc
thats terrible.
twin spade
Because I want an actual boss fight
past olive
wait, so Didact and Chief form a friendship just cause Chief is a reclaimer?
twin spade
No
round comet
@round comet master chief finds out he is forerunner related and then didact comes back and they both fight for the forerunner and covenant teams up again with diadact and chief uses a bomb to destroy holy city and didact included and humanity is now safe and so is sanghelioes and unhappy and etc
no offense, thats terrible.
twin spade
Chief dies by killing didact
carmine sleet
Chief isn't related to any Forerunners
twin spade
He could be in halo ce oracle said they both talked about the ring
past olive
his Geass is ancient human origin I believe, did I get that right?
carmine sleet
You'd have to ask someone who is an expert on geas, I just know Chief isn't related to a Forerunner
twin spade
And oracle was the villain in halo ce and then he is friends with chief again??? I would still try killing chief
past olive
I know his Geass and other people's Geass is why the monitors mistook the humans for their old masters
twin spade
It is a plot
faint copper
Didact racist 
past olive
they had the same reading as them
I think it's ancient human in origin
not forerunner
humans are not forerunners
forerunners and ancient humans, as well as some other race/s, were at war for genenrations
the rise of the flood formed caused an alliance to be formed from all of them
faint copper
Bungie Old lore Humans = Forerunners
past olive
and as a last ditch effort, the ancient humans started a the population of earth to preserve their species
twin spade
But how about your character was forerunner related
past olive
Chief is not forerunner related
if anything, he's ancient human related
I think I got that summary correct
I may have gotten some points wrong
twin spade
I know but what if you were related to forerunner
round comet
ok lets just, you do know that halo was about the war. it was a war and chief and WE had to win it because its our mission and we gotta save humanity.
but it was never personal. ever.
by making cortana the antagonist, this fight is a whole lot more personal to both chief and the player, and this is something that halo lacked. this is not the generic "good guy saves the world bad guy dies" storyline here, its very very personal and probably painful depending on how infinite goes.
they just didnt execute it the way it shouldve been done in 5.
past olive
Bungie Old lore Humans = Forerunners
bungie probably had the idea for forerunners to be ancient humans, however that idea has been changed so forerunners and ancient humans are different
twin spade
H5 isn't nice the way it is i just wish there was no guardians and Cortana dies or lock actually kills chief like the trailer
past olive
that is why CE, 2 and even 3 present the possible idea and elude to it more than what makes sense in the halo universe now
twin spade
343
round comet
ok lets just, you do know that halo was about the war. it was a war and chief and WE had to win it because its our mission and we gotta save humanity.
but it was never personal. ever.by making cortana the antagonist, this fight is a whole lot more personal to both chief and the player, and this is something that halo lacked. this is not the generic "good guy saves the world bad guy dies" storyline here, its very very personal and probably painful depending on how infinite goes.
they just didnt execute it the way it shouldve been done in 5.
did you not read any of this, canny.
past olive
I'm not opposed to a change in main character it just has to be done right he says despite having given forth the argument previously that chief should forever and always be the main character
versed helm
no more new Halo for me
@past olive If Chief died differently, would you still play Halo?
twin spade
No
past olive
if he had a satisfying sendoff, yes
versed helm
Good.
past olive
but if Halo 5 happened the way it did, and on top of all of that Chief was killed? no
twin spade
If he dies and we don't play as lock and play as our characters yes
faint copper
I believe that they created a lot of hints that these are ancient people, this was some interesting mystery
past olive
they created hints because at the time it may have in fact been the idea they were going for, that idea has now been rendered false
or at least, not true in the way you'd expect
round comet
||funny how locke was a good character in the h5 trailers and H2A and he was trash in h5||
past olive
the monitors still definitely recognise them as their old masters, but instead of it being because humans were forerunners this is likely now cause ancient humans and forerunners worked together to fight the flood
versed helm
but if Halo 5 happened the way it did, and on top of all of that Chief was killed? no
@past olive I wouldn't fault you for that.
twin spade
If captain Keyes were alive I would play halo ce campaign
versed helm
H5 had a cancelled story, the one we got was a rushed narrative formed out of pressure from MS.
twin spade
I never liked the flood
past olive
||funny how locke was a good character in the h5 trailers and H2A and he was trash in h5||
I also kinda liked locke in nightfall, not the best but at least showed us what he was like before he became a spartan
faint copper
343 ti screenwriters made a mistake
past olive
H5 had a cancelled story, the one we got was a rushed narrative formed out of pressure from MS.
how do you know its story was cancelled?
round comet
it was not cancelled. those are rumours.
past olive
I'm more of the opinion that the story we thought we were going to get never existed in the first place
round comet
what MS probably did do is rush the dev process so that they can use halo as a name to sell more of thier crappy console.
past olive
they did want 5 to be a launch title like 3 after all
faint copper
Flood lives m****r
twin spade
Flood is annoying
faint copper
Racist
past olive
I'll take flood anyday over covenant
twin spade
Never liked them because of what they did to Keyes
past olive
covenant is so annoying
past olive
doing my CE and 2 Legendary solo runs made me hate them more than anything, I had an easier time dealing with the flood in both games than dealing with the covenant in both games
twin spade
Innhalo 4 I heard them say mamma shima
round comet
in CE i just shotgunned my way out of the flood
past olive
^
twin spade
Flood makes me disgusted
past olive
that's the point
faint copper
Chine version Halo CE all dead body deleted
past olive
the flood is meant to be disgusting
round comet
its a parasite. theyre not supposed to be brad pitts.
twin spade
Not that disgusting
versed helm
I don't know why they did that, exposing yourself to all of those super cells would have probably been risky.
Ecspecially in the cutscene where the brute squeeze the flood
past olive
I'd say they're meant to be more disgusting than anything ever before in the Halo universe
round comet
its a parasite. theyre not supposed to be brad pit
^
twin spade
I don't like the flood cause it looks like green vomit turning to bubbles
past olive
again, that's the point
versed helm
Lmao.
twin spade
again, that's the point
@past olive not that disgusting
twin spade
I like 343 official
versed helm
Now I see why people select "do not disturb".
round comet
theyre meant to be ugly gross, they do that perfectlty.
twin spade
No the kind which makes you sibling be like ewww and blame it on you
round comet
ok i quit
carmine sleet
If I was playing Halo and the Flood looked nice and friendly, it'd make idea of them being a scary parasite not work at all
twin spade
They could look like a green blob
carmine sleet
Like, imagine if the zombies in Resident Evil all look nice and well opposed to looking decayed and ill. It'd ruin the atmosphere
twin spade
That's creepy
round comet
That's creepy
ITS MEANT TO BE CREEPY
versed helm
Why are you describing this as a bad choice?
past olive
so just, green orbs just bouncing toward you
round comet
OK i quit
carmine sleet
Why would the Flood be a green version of the sphere from The Prisoner? That wouldn't be anywhere near as scary as what we have with the Flood
twin spade
K it is my opinion so don't judge
round comet
Like a green sphere floating and is going to infect you
you have no sense of design do you
twin spade
Hey
past olive
if I saw the flood for the first time, and they were just these green orb slime creatures bouncing toward me in mass I'd think I'd accidentally switched to serious sam
carmine sleet
You suggested it as what the Flood should be, we're allowed to disagree and explain why it wouldn't work as the Flood
twin spade
Now that we're talking about flood the mercenary in RvsB ( forgot the name) he looks like the flood
round comet
wha-
versed helm
L-Locus?
twin spade
Yes
versed helm
I can see that.
twin spade
Forgot bout it
carmine sleet
Locus looks nothing like he's infected with the Flood
round comet
^^
versed helm
The helmet resembles the infected Spartan's face.
round comet
he looks badass.
carmine sleet
He's literally a dude in a suit of armour
twin spade
No he looks like a flood brute if he was green
round comet
and he's badass.
twin spade
Yes
round comet
No he looks like a flood brute if he was green
i-
versed helm
Alright, that's enough of this conversation.
carmine sleet
He looks nothing like a Flood Infected Brute
versed helm
round comet
ok.
carmine sleet
Got a picture of them both side by side, they look nothing alike
past olive
twin spade
What did you say
past olive
Could halo come in mobile
I mean there's always Spartan Assault and Spartan Strike
they're mobile Halo games
round comet
he means the main titles
versed helm
Please for the love of God... I pray they don't.
twin spade
I mean there's always Spartan Assault and Spartan Strike
@past olive they are disgusting who even use them and I can't get them it's not in my phone
past olive
@past olive they are disgusting who even use them and I can't get them it's not in my phone
I mean I played them
carmine sleet
Project X-Cloud allows people to play Xbox games on their phones. Not sure what this has to do with lore though
twin spade
It will not just have lore but its own universe which is canon
Hahahahahahaha
No but srsly
round comet
project xcloud is differnt. that thing is awesome.
carmine sleet
Spartan Assault and Spartan Strike aren't part of a separate continuity. They are part of the same canon as all other Halo media (Excluding Odd One Out)
round comet
ive tried it, it works like a charm.
lags a bit here and there but thats to be expected from a beta
twin spade
K
I'm leaving now to tell my friends that master chief is part of half sanghelioes >:)
They are new
round comet
..........okay.
twin spade
Is he though
past olive
no
carmine sleet
Chief is not half Sanghelios. That doesn't even make sense. You can't be half planet
past olive
Chief is not half Sanghelios. That doesn't even make sense. You can't be half planet
that is amazing
round comet
||anything is possible if you believe ¯_(ツ)_/¯||
versed helm
Do Spartans have improved cone and rod cells?
Rod cells are used for the detection of dimly lit environments by the way.
humble yacht
Spartans have augs that improve their eyesight
versed helm
Does this improve their eyesight for night conditions?
humble yacht
Think so
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
versed helm
Well, thanks anyway.
carmine sleet
It's possible there's Elites out there with heterochromia
versed helm
Yeah, there's some dialogue for it in H2.
craggy sierra
Can't wait to see that appear on OCs for the rest of time now.
carmine sleet
You don't know what OCs are?
craggy sierra
Original Characters. They're fan made characters that while not inherently the worst thing ever, can sometimes get a little bit over zealous in their attempts to stand out.
craggy sierra
The big fan base that gets memed on for this is Sonic the Hedgehog
versed helm
I wasn't familiar with that acronym.
craggy sierra
But yeah heterochromia is one of the big trends you see on some of the worse ones.
twin spade
Ok so it is not a prequel
carmine sleet
Who told you it was a prequel?
twin spade
He has the old armor
carmine sleet
That's not old armour
humble yacht
It's just new armor that looks like the old armor
twin spade
Looks same
humble yacht
yep
carmine sleet
Looking like what came before does not mean it is what came before
humble yacht
looks can be decieving
carmine sleet
Those aren't Mark V shoulders
twin spade
They aren't???
carmine sleet
They're heavily inspired by the Mark IV armour he wore in the Package and Forward Unto Dawn
craggy sierra
Also what time perioud would be available for a prequel when chief has that armour. He got it in H2, launched immediately into H3, and then got put on ice for 4 years until H4
humble yacht
Um
twin spade
Halo ce
humble yacht
during the slipspace trip to the Ark 
craggy sierra
Halo CE has a different set of armour altogether from what's in 2
humble yacht
In Halo CE, Chief wears the Mark V. In Halo 2, he switches to the Mark VI which he wears up until Halo 5
twin spade
Yeah but in halo 2 it didn't show him taking the helmet as a new armor
twin spade
It did
humble yacht
Chief's opening is him getting a new set of armor
mossy plover
Wait, he gets new armor in halo 5?
humble yacht
Between H4 and H5 he gets a GEN2 version of Mark VI
carmine sleet
Wait, he gets new armor in halo 5?
It looks the same as his Mark VI from Halo 4 but it is very much a new set of armour
humble yacht
it's likely they take his GEN1 version and give it a tune up, rather than make a brand new set
mossy plover
But isn't there gen2 mark VI in the halo 5 armors? It doesn't look like chief's does it?
twin spade
Master chief new armor actually suits him in halo 4 imagine him fighting Prometheuns and I wouldn't want to show I completed halo 4 campaign legendary wearing that and besides his new armor fits in that weird armors thingey ( they're so bad it makes me wanna cry)
carmine sleet
But isn't there gen2 mark VI in the halo 5 armors? It doesn't look like chief's does it?
That's because Chief's suit is custom
mossy plover
But we still call it mark VI?
carmine sleet
Master chief new armor actually suits him in halo 4 imagine him fighting Prometheuns and I wouldn't want to show I completed halo 4 campaign legendary wearing that and besides his new armor fits in that weird armors thingey ( they're so bad it makes me wanna cry)
What?
But we still call it mark VI?
It's a weird one, some call it the Mark VI [MOD] to make it clear that it isn't the same as standard Mark VI
craggy sierra
I don't mind his H4 armour but I'm also able to take "the artists decided to draw him differently" between games as a reason for why stuff looks different
mossy plover
Yeah, I don't know about every single armor being it's own real thing in the canon. Are there even that many spartans?
humble yacht
there are definitely more spartans than armor variants
craggy sierra
There's a few dozen Spartan 2's I think, were a few hundred Spartan 3's, and are a few hundred spartan 4's
mossy plover
Yeah, but with it being so expensive you'd think that they wouldn't be willing to have like 200 different armors made.
craggy sierra
I mean Halo Reach implies that at least spartan 2's are able to sorta do whatever with their armour if they have the technical know how
When Halsey asks Jorge what he did to her armour
humble yacht
GEN2 was much less expensive to make than GEN1
it helped that they gave contracts to several private companies to make different variants
mossy plover
I guess it's just hard to grasp the amount of resources the unsc has.
Compared to when they were getting curb stomped by aliens.
craggy sierra
That's kinda kept vague and probably on purpose
Also even during the war they were apparently throwing armour variants around like no ones business if the descriptions in MP customization mean anything
humble yacht
i mean, they were able to develop Mark VI during the war
mossy plover
But I guess since skynet has taken over, the noobs with the recruit armor are probably feeling pretty good.
I figure they've got a lot of spares
humble yacht
recruit armor is still as high tech as the other GEN2 models
just not specialized for a particular role
versed helm
I would've thought making millions of different armour variations would be pretty inefficient
mossy plover
Not that it's less sophisticated, but that they have more of that armor already made.
Vs like, the helioskrill armor
humble yacht
Every Spartan IV starts out with Recruit armor and then can request custom kits after a certain amount of time
Also there are hardly "millions" of armor variants. More like a couple hundred, max
versed helm
Wouldn't that still make keeping spares around a pain in the neck lol
humble yacht
some companies make several of the variants, like Hannibal Weapons Systems
craggy sierra
Has there been an instance in Halo of someone needing a spare set of armour?
mossy plover
I mean obviously the reason so many exist is for players to customize, but I just wonder if it wouldn't be easier to say that not all of them really exist in the universe.
humble yacht
a spare set? no. they just get replacements
craggy sierra
Usually if the armour gets borked the person inside probably won't need a spare
humble yacht
every armor has been given a canonical background so they all exist
even Hayabusa
The haunted helmet is probably the only non-canon helmet but it's just a reskin of the Pilot helmet
limpid meadow
The Bungie chest and Katana chest likely aren't canon, I'd wager
gilded mason
every armor has been given a canonical background so they all exist```
Though of course, this makes some armor types...*really* weird.bungie chest is just EOD with flames, right?
gilded mason
Like the one that apparently drives you insane by wearing it.
humble yacht
EOD is canon
humble yacht
well sure, I said the armor is canon, not the effect
mossy plover
I dunno, could really play up the demon thing
humble yacht
Like the one that apparently drives you insane by wearing it.
Achilles?
gilded mason
Yeah
frail gust
EVA is better than EVA [C]
humble yacht
Achilles wasn't even a crazy person
He was an impressive warrior, yes, but it's not like he was known for inability to control his anger
mossy plover
Ikr? Name it Oedipus
limpid meadow
Achilles' anger was legendary, as I recall
humble yacht
his fighting prowess was legendary. But his decisions were all deliberate
limpid meadow
When Patroclus dies, Achilles kills so many Trojans that the rivers become clogged with corpses
humble yacht
anger may have driven his decisions but I'd hardly call him insane
mossy plover
Or um, who was Achilles' best bud? The guy who went out and slaughtered a bunch of goats?
humble yacht
yea but back in that time, every hero was known for killing many
limpid meadow
Not like this
humble yacht
Hector killed many greeks (before meeting Achilles), The Ajax's killed more than their share
limpid meadow
Achilles anger is legendary dude.
round comet
toe
humble yacht
Legendary or not, I wouldn't call him insane
gilded mason
But anyway, that's just weird that the UNSC would actually go ahead and say "Sure, here's some armor with an insane AI to corrupt you if you aren't constantly vigilant."
humble yacht
The UNSC made the gamma Spartans, so it's not like they're totally adverse to using anger as a weapon
round comet
like, id take it if its required for the circumstances but normslly, no
humble yacht
i imagine wearing achilles armor would be like being Batman
limpid meadow
A quote from Achilles in the Iliad: "my rage, my fury would drive me now to hack your flesh away and eat you raw – such agonies you have caused me"
humble yacht
you have to keep your anger in check all the time so you don't go too far
gilded mason
It seems pointlessly "edgy".
humble yacht
well, alot of gamers like edgy so that's not surprising
limpid meadow
There's also a point where Athena has to physically stop Achilles from slapping Agamemnon to death. Achilles' rage is a force to be reckoned with.
round comet
i dont like "pointless" edgy but if it makes sense narratively then yeah.
limpid meadow
The ACHILLES armor doesn't drive the user insane, it just drives them to 'excessive violence" in combat, which is where the Achilles inspiration plays out.
humble yacht
there hasn't been a narrative usage of the Achilles armor yet
craggy sierra
If it makes sense then it ain't pointless
versed helm
You guys find Achilles to be edgy?
round comet
i
versed helm
WHAT?
gilded mason
You guys find Achilles to be edgy?```
Yes.Well, Emile's helmet would beg to differ.
mossy plover
Tbh there are a few things in halo that I find excessively edgy.
humble yacht
An armor that drives you to be extra violent sounds pretty edgy, yea
limpid meadow
It is kinda edgy, but that's nothing new to Halo. Not common mind you, but nothing new
versed helm
That's like saying the Prelates are edgy because of their hormone regulation.
mossy plover
What's a prelate
limpid meadow
Basically a Spartan Prophet
humble yacht
Achilles armor is like the embodiment of Emile
versed helm
San'Shyuum super soldier.
limpid meadow
round comet
oh i thought we're talking about bishops
humble yacht
it doesn't look edgy, but the description certainly falls in that description
mossy plover
Is a prophet spartan basically as good as a grunt? lol those dudes are like raisins.
versed helm
Fair enough.
it doesn't look edgy, but the description certainly falls in that description
gilded mason
The AI that lies within the branching lattice of the ACHILLES' neural interface gnaws at the mind of its partner. No Spartan can stand alone against its urgings of unbridled excess, but through bonds of loyalty and duty they can be held at bay. Only Spartans who have mastered themselves, bound their wrath and passion within a shell of hyperdense steel fueled by starfire, are granted access to the ACHILLES. Lesser warriors will lose themselves in a storm of blood.
limpid meadow
Prelates are very capable warriors, capable of even going toe-to-toe with Elites
mossy plover
lesser warriors
versed helm
Reminds me of the dumb quotes from Emile. "Yeah! Extreme prejudice."
humble yacht
yea that description basically sounds like only Batman could handle it
versed helm
God, I found Emile to be so cringey in Reach at times.
mossy plover
Its grown on me, but I have to admit that I found halo 4 pretty cringey in my first playthrough lol. It was not what I was expecting at all.
craggy sierra
Really? H4?
humble yacht
the only thing I found cringey in H4 was DeMarco's intro in SpOps
craggy sierra
It's been a hot minute since I played it so I can't claim to remember all the dialog but I can't remember much being like "That was written for a 12 year old who thinks they're 17"
carmine sleet
You mean the bit about keeping the people in Rio "Safe and secure", Chimera?
limpid meadow
The ladies of Rio
gilded mason
Sadly, only the ladies.
gilded mason
Same
humble yacht
classy guy, that DeMarco
limpid meadow
Almost as classy as Romeo
carmine sleet
That reminds me, I actually rewatched your video from last year about LGBT+ representation, Toa. Shame so many people disliked it simply because of the topic
gilded mason
Immature people gonna immature
limpid meadow
Yep
round comet
Its grown on me, but I have to admit that I found halo 4 pretty cringey in my first playthrough lol. It was not what I was expecting at all.
h4 has easily the most character development in the halo games.
i loved it.
limpid meadow
I knew what I was getting into when I made that
versed helm
classy guy, that DeMarco
Who?
mossy plover
Especially the end in that blue box , when Cortana is like human sized... that was the part that took me out of it. I'm used to one-liner chief, that was definitely not one-liner chief.
humble yacht
Immature people gonna immature
Until you sacrifice yourself for your team. That get's you a sin removal
round comet
Especially the end in that blue box , when Cortana is like human sized... that was the part that took me out of it. I'm used to one-liner chief, that was definitely not one-liner chief.
that part gets me. evry time.
blazing compass
Fire team majestic is a meme
limpid meadow
Who?
@versed helm Spartan Paul DeMarco, former leader of Fireteam Majestic
last anchor
RIP
versed helm
Oh.
last anchor
Went out like a chad
humble yacht
DeMarco was basically the epitome of Dude Bro in the beginning
mossy plover
He died?
last anchor
Nah no ones as chad as Kurt was.
No one will ever be as chad as Kurt.
gilded mason
But I think we can all agree, the worst Spartan ever: Miller.
humble yacht
Nobody was ever as Kurt as Chad
limpid meadow
I'm "eh" on Miller
versed helm
Well, I like the fact that a station is named after him.
limpid meadow
I don't really understand why a Spartan should be a mission handler.
round comet
But I think we can all agree, the worst Spartan ever: Miller.
||locke, vale, tanaka||
gilded mason
I don't really understand why a Spartan should be a mission handler.```
Yeah.lock, vale, and tanaka are fine as spartans
limpid meadow
Locke, Vale, and Tanaka are fun Spartans and I'll defend them to the death
carmine sleet
Why you hating on Vale, Caboose
humble yacht
Thorne? he's alive
gilded mason
Why you hating on Vale, Caboose```
Vale is smelly.Why you hating on Vale, Caboose
Because he doesn't like her.
Which he is entitled to.
limpid meadow
Gabriel Thorne. He's leading Majestic now.
round comet
the best spartans are kurt, and blue team.
last anchor
Apperently Spartan Missions Handlers act as a secondary line of defense for Infinity's Bridge.
As we see when Infinity is boarded during Spartan Ops.
Millers directing you from the field while also fighting off Prometheans heading for Ops.
limpid meadow
Majestic, the team we should have played as in H5
humble yacht
Vale probably has better personal hygeine than most elites
limpid meadow
Apperently Spartan Missions Handlers act as a secondary line of defense for Infinity's Bridge.
As we see when Infinity is boarded during Spartan Ops.
Millers directing you from the field while also fighting off Prometheans heading for Ops.
@last anchor Fair enough
versed helm
For some reason, I remember Thorne as a complete moron.
round comet
the best spartans are kurt, and blue team.
"die? didnt you know? spartans never die."
last anchor
Spartan Ops characterisations were rough and a little bit heavyhanded.
Escalation helped.
humble yacht
Thorne was the only spartan to get Halsey to acknowledge that some Spartan IVs meet her standards
humble yacht
some do, like Thorne
versed helm
He just said that some do.
mossy plover
Tell you what though, big fan of red team from the halo wars games. They're pretty neat.
Although they pretty much have zero depth. I can admit that.
round comet
blue team good osiris bad
versed helm
Lmao.
craggy tusk
didnt osiris break up after halo 5?
mossy plover
I mean heck, Jerome is just halo 2 master chief.
limpid meadow
Nah, Jermoe is much, much more
last anchor
No. Buck was rotated out for an op with Veronica Dare. Osiris is still intact.
If I had to guess they probably rotated someone else in.
thorne possibly
humble yacht
Buck went back to running Alpha Nine, but we don't know about the rest of Osiris
limpid meadow
If we only had HW1, I'd agree that Red Team don't have much depth, but HW2 gave them some character.
last anchor
Honestly it makes sense, Buck is more effective as a team leader and Alpha-9 has a reputation for getting the job done even in the toughest of situations.
So putting him on Osiris is kind of a waste almost.
limpid meadow
They're at least on the level of Halo CE Chief in terms of character.
mossy plover
But everybody is welcome to join my "Red Team in Halo Infinite" prayer circle.
limpid meadow
It's not happening, and I think including them would be a mistake, honestly.
gilded mason
Indeed
limpid meadow
There are enough characters potentially in play, we don't really need any more.
Not yet, anyhow.
last anchor
A mention of them might be cool, but I dont think having them there would help.
Besides, 343 said they were making it easier for people to follow, yeah?
humble yacht
if they were in Infinite then it would mean the situation on the ark was resolved off screen
limpid meadow
Eventually I'd like to see the Spirit crew & Red Team come into the main story, just not yet
humble yacht
which would be a slap to HW fans
last anchor
HW3 please
mossy plover
Didn't HW2 not do great? I thought I had heard that somewhere.
humble yacht
we don't even know why Atriox was interested in the Ark, and now people are ok with Spirit of Fire just letting him have it so they can meet up with Chief?
gilded mason
we don't even know why Atriox was interested in the Ark
We don't even know how the SoF got there.
mossy plover
It seems to me that Atriox would be fighting the created as well.
limpid meadow
We don't even know how the SoF got there.
I still hate that that wasn't resolved in the main campaign, or even hinted at after the game's opening.
gilded mason
Yeah.
last anchor
It just kind of HAPPENED
humble yacht
i can only hope it wasn't this one thing that some people think it could be
mossy plover
I love HW2 but it just seems unfinished story-wise.
last anchor
Campaign was GOLD though.
mossy plover
It begs for a HW3
gilded mason
it just seems unfinished story-wise.
Yeah.
mossy plover
And if that story gets resolved in a book because they wanted to bait a sequel instead, I will not be a happy camper.
limpid meadow
The core HW fans would be
limpid meadow
^^^
mossy plover
Speaking only for myself, I'm more invested in the story than the genre.
At least for the SoF folks
humble yacht
eh, RTS games aren't really my thing
so i just consume the HW stories in other ways
the only RTS i like is Warcraft 3 and that's heavily due to nostalgia
craggy tusk
how did hw2 do financially?
humble yacht
it was successful but it didn't set any records
limpid meadow
We don't really have any numbers, as I recall
mossy plover
Well I did my part, but let's hope we don't have to wait as long as we did for HW2.
I mean, not that anyone was waiting for that. Came out of nowhere right?
limpid meadow
The announcement did but fans of the original had been waiting for it for YEARS and doing everything they could to keep the original alive.
mossy plover
I honestly probably have more time in the first halo wars than in CE.
humble yacht
well Halo Wars 1 did have matchmaking
round comet
well RTS is not what halo is most known for, so.
mossy plover
Those cutscenes tho
round comet
||hey why does this channel not have a timer||
fair hazel
Because it’s calmer and more topic focused
humble yacht
I'm sure Sam would be happy to add slow mode here if you want it
carmine sleet
What if Sam really wants to add one?
humble yacht
Then she will
versed helm
I'll probably leave if they add a timer here.
humble yacht
Do they ever say Thel Lodamee’s name in legends?
mossy plover
Was he an arbiter?
versed helm
lets not look forward to that sad, sad day
I don't think they will.
humble yacht
He was not an arbiter
mossy plover
Are all arbiters named Thel? Is that a family name or just a common name?
humble yacht
No
Thel lodamee was originally supposed to be Thel Vadamee
The same Thel from halo 2
round comet
Do they ever say Thel Lodamee’s name in legends?
he actually made an appearance
humble yacht
Well duh, but I’m asking if they identify him during that appearance
Or was he named after the fact
mossy plover
Oh, was he that one from the package?
round comet
yeah
mossy plover
The one who yelled all the time lol
round comet
all i really remember is cheif getting beat
round comet
quite an accomplishment, that
humble yacht
I’m just wondering why they left his first name Thel if they wanted to differentiate him from Arbiter
mossy plover
Is he dead?
humble yacht
Not that we know of
mossy plover
Not really related to that, but I really hope the squads from halo 5 are in infinite. I'd hate to see those characters benched.
mossy plover
And chiefs buddies
fair hazel
John has struggled with elites before
humble yacht
Struggling and losing are different
John only survived the encounter with Lodamee due to attacks on the ship
mossy plover
Well I as chief have been defeated by elites many, many times.
round comet
i've been defeated by suicide grunts.
like
come on
why you gotta
take those plasma grenades and
run at me like that
chill
humble yacht
He wants to share with you the truth about the Great Journey
versed helm
I feel like this could have been one message.
queen otter
The ones in halo 5 annoyed me the most. They’d come out of no where.
versed helm
I found them to be more annoying in Reach.
humble yacht
You think a forerunner like Endurance of Will had similar powers to Didact?