installation 00 is simply a fan who interprets the lore his own way
#lore-and-universe
ebon mauve
It's possible they mentioned something in halo 5, but it isnt clearly explained other than the domain is open and Cortana got access.
obsidian thistle
I still find it interesting that the Domain didnt fix the problems Cortana had that Rampancy caused. But did cure rampancy and stop the process in its tracks.
humble yacht
It took the fragments of cortana that were available and reconstituted her, but it's not like it could replace the missing parts
obsidian thistle
Exactly
humble yacht
or it did, and what filled the gaps wasn't super good
obsidian thistle
Its why Cortana still has some Rampant-like sparks in Halo 5 during the stop-n-listen areas.
She literally has a moment during the final run where she "acts" like Halsey if ya stop-n-listen during it. (Yea that was weird tbh)
humble yacht
when she's chastising Osiris?
obsidian thistle
No. When Orisis is running to destroy the orb thing to save Blue at the end of the game. (But it happens during that also)
humble yacht
you mean when Locke is getting bombarded by grav pulses and struggles to release the cryptum?
obsidian thistle
Yup. If you slow down to a crawl. (Something the game doesnt suggest you do lol) more dialogue plays
humble yacht
an interesting thought: cortana left behind enough of herself to save chief from the nuke. this remnant expressed compassion, caring, seemingly love and melancholy.
it's almost like she left behind all her good parts
then the bad parts that make it to the domain reform into a new cortana, and this new cortana acts more like halsey than ever before
gilded mason
it's almost like she left behind all her good parts
Yeah, heard that hypothesis before. Makes sense.
humble yacht
sure but new cortana acts like halsey
gilded mason
a thing
humble yacht
old cortana was smart but she was nowhere near as reserved as halsey. nor as utilitarian
gilded mason
A Halsey that never grew.
obsidian thistle
There is also the thought that the Fragments we see get split off in Halo 4 during the final mission is the Halo 5 Cortana. And the Cortana we see die in Halo 4 was the main one we spent the game with.
humble yacht
Halsey started feeling guilty when she realized how many spartans died on reach, right?
since that's when she decided to abscond with as many spartans as she could gather
gilded mason
And she was feeling guilty even during the training
humble yacht
well not guilty enough to change course
gilded mason
Yeah, her AI convinced her to stay on, since ONI would simply bring in somebody who didn't care
humble yacht
but her lightbulb moment was on reach during the fall, yes?
gilded mason
Perhaps
humble yacht
so if the deaths of her spartans triggered her to seemingly abandon her original mission about saving humanity (in favor of saving her spartans), then maybe loss is the key to triggering cortana to release the error of her ways
but where Halsey has an affinity for all spartan IIs, Cortana's is much more specific.
i.e. if chief dies trying to stop her, would that shock her into seeing her methods are worth the end result?
gilded mason
Scared straight? Maybe.
humble yacht
one of my theories is that while she says she's doing all this for all life, what she really wants is to make a galaxy where Chief no longer has to fight, and can be safe
gilded mason
Yeah, I've heard that before.
humble yacht
though why she felt she needed to wait 10000 years is beyond me
maybe she thought that's how long it would take for sentient life to lose the will to resist her and submit completely
gilded mason
Or how long until her society is "perfect"
fair hazel
installation 00 is also here on the server. Do note like it was said, there is speculation and some of it is presented as truth while it is speculation and theorizing etc.
humble yacht
lol, ericky you always so late
fair hazel
also maybe lenght of time things can be brought to a planetary level
Like, terraforming mega projects an dother mega projects that are not just terraformging
Is what im ean
humble yacht
I'm worried though about that hidden audio from the trailer. Worry it could mean a much less compelling resolution to whatever is going on with cortana
gilded mason
Yeah.
humble yacht
tbh the last thing i want to see is a fight between cortanas
queen otter
Oh no, the cortana fight conversation ...
pearl creek
strange seal
does anybody know if the scene where johnson and the elite were fighting before the autumn exploded was a canon or non-canon scene? if it was i wanna know how in the world did johnson survive.
humble yacht
Non canon
strange seal
okay thanks i was just confused
simple locust
More specifically, do weapons such as the light rifle do more damage to shields or armor?
Or is it even?
In Halo 4 and Halo 5.
terse lava
Would say they cut through both about the same. Forerunner armor did gave shields and thus so would the flood tainted forms
versed helm
SWAT teams still exist in Halo, right?
Since I remember reading something about how ODSTs can be sent on similar missions.
humble yacht
Odst is still military and wouldn’t be used for domestic law enforcement
versed helm
I've heard that they can be used in hostage situations or even replace the role of a SWAT officer, if necessary.
humble yacht
From who/what?
humble yacht
That appears to be where halopedia cites much of its info on ODSTs
Doesn’t say anything about taking the role of swat officers
versed helm
That was for the counter-terrorism info.
I can't remember the source for the police stuff.
Sorry.
humble yacht
Oh, sure, military handle counter terrorism, them or federal law enforcement
versed helm
That's kind of obvious though.
I'd imagine that their usage would be very situational for domestic terrorism, like with the SAS.
Unrelated to domestic terrorism but who would be used in situation where a political figure is held hostage?
Spartans or ODSTs?
humble yacht
likely depends on who is the hostage and who is the kidnapper
versed helm
I'm talking about typical rebel scum here.
humble yacht
that would probably fall to combined efforts of federal and local law enforcement
versed helm
Even if it is a president or something?
humble yacht
military wouldn't be sent in unless the issue escalated
if a president was kidnapped then secret service (or the halo equivalent) would run ops for his rescue
i only see military being used if the abduction was off-world
versed helm
So a shadow organisation like ONI?
humble yacht
probably not
versed helm
I'd like to see this expanded on, I think it would be pretty interesting.
terse lava
Only time I could see military/Spartans sent in would be if the covenant had nabbed someone. Or one of their remnants
versed helm
But Spartans were originally designed to fight rebels.
humble yacht
in wartime, yes
but there is a difference between war actions and domestic law enforcement actions
versed helm
I guess it depends on how they value the hostage.
Are there canonical hymns that are sung by the Covenant? I can only think of one possible example.
In Regret.
jolly furnace
I think that was just Regret telling the Covie faithful that were gonna light the rings in a very ceremonious grandiose speech
San'Shyuum language and speech native-wise resembles human Gregorian chanting in terms of sound
What we hear as chanting is to them speaking as we would to us
simple locust
So what does Chief and the UNSC think of non-Covenant religious groups that don't use Forerunner technology.
limpid meadow
I imagine it would depend on whether those groups are a threat to the UNSC or not.
versed helm
Yeah, as long as they don't put the universe or humanity at risk then they don't mind.
ONI probably monitors them though.
||Like with everything else.||
simple locust
Would they attack Humanity for using the technology?
carmine sleet
It would depend on the group, most likely
limpid meadow
Are you talking about a hypothetical group that finds the use of Forerunner tech sacrilegious?
simple locust
Yes.
carmine sleet
If it's a hypothetical group, you decide whether or not they would if they were to hypothetically meet the UNSC and find out they've reverse engineered Forerunner tech
carmine sleet
So not a hypothetical group then
Also, the Ussans weren't against using Forerunner tech, they were against the Covenant
Heck, the Ussans wouldn't have survived without the tech they used in the Refuge
simple locust
Oh OK but of course the Stoics are a real group, and the only hypothetical factor is if they still exist but if they met the UNSC would they go to war with them, like they did with the reformists?
carmine sleet
That would depend on if they were told the UNSC reverse engineered Forerunner tech. It's not like the UNSC are going about saying "Hey, we reverse engineered all this tech!"
simple locust
What if they did find out? Maybe by some info obtained from the Covenant?
last anchor
If they did still exist, there wouldnt be too many of em left cause they were all on Janjur Quom when its sun went boom
limpid meadow
*if it's sun went boom
There is reasonable doubt about the actual fate of Janjur Qom.
simple locust
If the Stoics found some ancient San'Shyuum technology, would their religion allow them to use it?
versed helm
Unless they can connect them to their ancestors no, I don't think they will
Most likely they would think of it as Forerunner's tech
simple locust
Is it possible the Truth in Halo 3 is a phony with Geas of Truth and hejust hid away?
versed helm
I wonder how the stoics would react if they'd learn the truth about their "gods"
carmine sleet
Is it possible the Truth in Halo 3 is a phony with Geas of Truth and hejust hid away?
The Prophet of Truth seen in Halo 3 is the real Truth, he did not turn himself into a Geas or hide away in between Halo 2 and 3
simple locust
I would be OK with a retcon like that, if they got the first voice actor to return.
carmine sleet
A retcon like that would make Arbiter's side of Halo 3's story feel kinda pointless if Truth wasn't who he killed
versed helm
....its the same truth as in halo 2
carmine sleet
The VA is different between the two games
stoic hamlet
“I am Bill, Truth’s body double, the Voice of The Covenant!”
“....and so, you must be si-wait, what?”
carmine sleet
And the personality of Truth is completely different between the two games, which I recall talking about here recently
versed helm
its differnt but i still think its the same person
although tbh i never noticed a persoanlity change before people pointed it out to me
simple locust
Changing the voice actor already made it feel pointless.
versed helm
What the Hell is a "Geas"?
carmine sleet
its differnt but i still think its the same person
Well, it is the same person, just for whatever reason, they decided to change his personality in 3
Changing the voice actor already made it feel pointless.
Things happen that cause the original VA to not reprise the role, it doesn't suddenly make the character pointless when they have to replace a VA
gilded mason
What the Hell is a "Geas"?
https://www.halopedia.org/Geas
a Forerunner term that referred to a genetic command imposed on an organism or species. Under the influence of a geas, an organism could be given a set of subconscious orders that would either be specific to that organism, or passed on to their children, in some cases lasting several generations.
versed helm
What the Hell is a "Geas"?
imprints of a being included in the gene of a species. like remember that geas chakas had?
in the foreunner saga
Sorry Faber, I barely know anything about the Forerunners.
simple locust
It does make it less satisfying, far less satisfying. Not to mention maybe Truth had some plan to hide away, he seemed smart enough to pull something like that off.
versed helm
the forerunner era is like, the most interesting part about the haloverse for me.
The Forerunners have never sparked my interest, it's not why I like Halo.
simple locust
It's cool how their ancillas can take over the suits of dead Warrior Servants.
carmine sleet
It does make it less satisfying, far less satisfying.
Again, sometimes VAs have to be changed, often for reasons out of their control, that does not then somehow affect the quality of the character writing in a game or show. The only reason why Truth was so different was because the writers decided to actively write the character differently, regardless of the VA change
Not to mention maybe Truth had some plan to hide away, he seemed smart enough to pull something like that off.
He did not have a plan to hide away. If you're expecting him to come back with a secret Covenant fleet or something, Palpatine style, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed
simple locust
In good way, without Mary Sue there to ruin it.
carmine sleet
Rey wasn't the problem with Palpatine's return
simple locust
No, she was the problem with the whole trilogy.
versed helm
This is not a SW lore channel.
simple locust
And of course the writing for Palpatine was the worst.
versed helm
No, she was the problem with the whole trilogy.
palpatine's return was them being lazy.
simple locust
That was a problem with every character in that trilogy.
versed helm
to some extent yeah.
carmine sleet
It could've been anybody who was there in place of Rey. The problem with Palpatine coming back in TRoS is that it felt like they were trying to course correct the franchise after TLJ and they didn't feel confident that the villains they already had could serve them well in the final film of the trilogy, so they decided to just bring back Palpatine as a "Hey look, he was secretly the big bad the whole time"
versed helm
laughable.
simple locust
Writing a Mary Sue character was very lazy.
carmine sleet
Again, the writing of Rey, is pointless to why Palpatine coming back was not a good idea
carmine sleet
And this isn't mentioning the fact that it undermines RotJ with Vader's redemption
If they did the same thing as what was done with Palps with the Prophet of Truth, it would feel forced, make no sense and likely anger way more people than it would please
simple locust
The Last Jedi had horrible writing, thinking they were so clever by misleading the audience, destroying what every scene built up to, with awful battle scenes and a contradictory motive for the characters.
versed helm
Most importantly, Rey ditched Anakin's sabre in the SAND.
gilded mason
Yeah, that was awful as well.
versed helm
Seriously though, is Bad Blood worth reading?
gilded mason
It's okay.
simple locust
If he explained his plan, unlike Palpatine, it could work. Have him leave the Covenant before Halo 3 and put the phony, dumb Truth in his place.
carmine sleet
If he explained his plan, unlike Palpatine, it could work. Have him leave the Covenant before Halo 3 and put the phony, dumb Truth in his place.
Even if he explained his plan, it would till feel forced and make no sense
Truth is dead. Let him stay dead
versed helm
The new trilogy was lazy.
they actually had a sense of DIRECTION and sstorytelling, even though most people didnt like this direction, but atleast it was there.
in the rise of skywalker, that sense was lost. they had no idea what the hell theyre doing. just "ok lets just get this saga over this" type of thing, no direction, no sense of storytelling, no real ideas.
AND THAT VADER'S DEATH SCENE WHEN HE ASKS LUKE TO REMOVE THAT MASK IS MY FAVOURITE FROM THE ENTIRE SAGA AND THEY JUST FRIGGIN RUINED IT I HATE THEM EBDBWLBEDJE3
simple locust
If he explained it to a character who thought he was dead, it would not feel forced. Have a character make a similar reaction to the audience.
versed helm
I did not expect that kind of response.
well its true
I just don't want to go off-topic.
Then again... it wouldn't really matter if I got banned.
simple locust
Luke trying killing his Nephew made the whole movie and the trilogy pointless. Making him a hero for that was dumb.
versed helm
the direction they took was not what i wanted or hoped for. but in TROS there was no direction. it was a train wreck of a movie.
gilded mason
Let's stop talkin' about a silly movie trilogy in the Halo lore channel, eh?
versed helm
right
carmine sleet
If he explained it to a character who thought he was dead, it would not feel forced. Have a character make a similar reaction to the audience.
You literally just rephrased your earlier statement to try and justify what you're saying. It would feel forced for Truth to come back from the dead
carmine sleet
There is no reason to bring Truth back from the dead, the franchise doesn't need him as the big villain
humble yacht
Ew
versed helm
I don't want Truth to return.
simple locust
Explained forced? What is you definition? Also for me he certainly did not come back for 3.
versed helm
I think it would be ridiculous.
stoic hamlet
I just don’t want big villains for a while.
versed helm
why the actual f would you want truth to return jesus christ
stoic hamlet
Halo shouldn’t have brought in the Diadact or Cortana/Created. The universe should have been given time to breath.
versed helm
Too bad.
stoic hamlet
It was less than 5 years since the Covenant war ended in universe.
versed helm
so what do you think the storyline shouldve been?
stoic hamlet
That’s not a long time to allow for growth.
gilded mason
Agreed, Canadian.
simple locust
So he can get a proper conclusion, unlike in Halo 3
carmine sleet
Halo 3 was the proper conclusion for the character, regardless of whether or not you liked it, Arrow
humble yacht
Truth did get a proper conclusion
versed helm
he had a proper conclusion lol.
humble yacht
His end would have been just as appropriate if it had been the same voice actor and characterization as halo 2
Just less preaching
simple locust
It was not consistent for the character.
carmine sleet
Making it so that Truth was somehow alive post Halo 3 would give us the problem as what happened with TRoS, like I have already said
versed helm
People hold their own opinions, I disagree with what you say, Arrow but it's fine to think that way.
stoic hamlet
Bring John back in Halo 4, don’t bring the diadact, have the next several games focus on the post war period, the UNSC struggling to rebuild after a massive war, the Elites and other Covenant races going their own ways.
Have John struggle with the concept of being a man or a machine without Cortana for several games.
Then, maybe in like 2570 have Cortana’s signal appear like in H5.
humble yacht
But if you really can’t stand it, write a fanfic
versed helm
and btw, i think bungie planned on including requiem in halo 4,,,just watch the H3 legendary ending. the only reason why requiem would be included is uh the didact.
humble yacht
Not really
simple locust
His death by the flood was not very good.
versed helm
what the
humble yacht
He didn’t die by flood
versed helm
he died by arbiter
humble yacht
And the flood don’t care what kind of character truth is
simple locust
John should of crashed High Charity into Truth, killing both Truth and the flood at once.
humble yacht
That wouldn’t have killed the flood
carmine sleet
That wouldn't have stopped the Flood
Ok, Chimera, we really need to stop operating on the same wave length
humble yacht
But like I said, fanfic.net sounds like the place for you, arrow
simple locust
Like maybe a slipspace jump, like reach.
versed helm
John should of crashed High Charity into Truth, killing both Truth and the flood at once.
you do realise what the flood is?
humble yacht
Water 
carmine sleet
Like maybe a slipspace jump, like reach.
How would a slipspace jump to Reach help in any way in stopping the Flood?
versed helm
it..wont.
gilded mason
John should of crashed High Charity into Truth, killing both Truth and the flood at once.```
So you would've taken Thel's one significant action in Halo 3 away?I'd say the "silence" scene was pretty conclusive and powerful.
simple locust
I mean doing what Noble 6 did to the Covenant ship in Reach but crash into Truth.
carmine sleet
My biggest issue with Halo 3's story is that Thel didn't have much outside of that scene. Taking that scene away would just make it pointless to have Thel in the game
versed helm
Rather than Chief smashing into them all of a sudden, that would just be anti-climactic.
simple locust
Thel could be on it with him.
carmine sleet
I mean doing what Noble 6 did to the Covenant ship in Reach but crash into Truth.
Six didn't detonate the bomb
versed helm
like, that whole teaming up with the flood thing, then killing truth, then getting betrayed by the gravemind? thats a WHOLE LOT better than what youre suggesting here buddy.
simple locust
It's kind of back pedaling a bit.
humble yacht
Redoing halo 3 is backpedaling a lot
simple locust
I'm saying to redo it, I'm just saying how I thought it should have been done.
versed helm
a lot of people seem to believe that h3's campaign was underwhelming. what youre suggesting will turn that opinion into an objective fact.
carmine sleet
I feel Halo 3's story could've been better, but I can safely say that I wouldn't change how Truth was killed
versed helm
well, nothings ever perfect.
carmine sleet
Indeed
versed helm
So, which Halo game wasn't boring to you?
simple locust
Overall.
humble yacht
CE was simple which is fine for a beginning
I’m glad they expanded in subsequent games
simple locust
Halo 2, 4, 5, Wars, Reach, ODST, and Awakening the Nightmare.
marsh tusk
Awakening the nightmare?
versed helm
CE was never meant to literally build a sci fi universe the way it did. it was just meant to be a simple little story like most other FPS games during that time.
simple locust
The Marathon games were great though.
versed helm
This is all opinionated, Arrow.
carmine sleet
So what if the Marathon games were great? That doesn't really have any baring on whether Halo was going to be good or not back in the old days
simple locust
Yes it is opinionated.
simple locust
Marathon was more complex.
carmine sleet
Marathon's more complex stories doesn't matter to the storytelling in Halo
simple locust
In what way?
versed helm
The fact that it's not relevant and we have a completely different dev team now.
carmine sleet
Like, CE's simplistic story was fine for the first game, Halo 2 built upon what CE gave us by giving us a tale of two soldiers, one trying to reclaim lost honour, the other was just trying to save humanity while also dealing with super weapons and alien parasites
gilded mason
That sounds pretty...sketchy
simple locust
I prefer 2 over 3. Like in almost every way
marsh tusk
Personally prefer 3
simple locust
2 had more characters.
marsh tusk
3 was a great ending to a great trilogy
simple locust
It was trying to built up to a last level they could not complete.
versed helm
Do you have evidence to support that?
carmine sleet
What? The final level was completed. Why else would it be in the game?
simple locust
Well yeah, they said they were gonna have Chief face off with Truth.
shy dock
Halo 2 definitely had more than one level planned
carmine sleet
Halo 2 definitely had more than one level planned
Halo 2 had a whole entire act cut off basically
shy dock
They were gonna do everything they did in 3 in 2 essentially
versed helm
Well yeah, they said they were gonna have Chief face off with Truth.
@simple locust Source?
simple locust
3 should of had a boos fight with Truth.
shy dock
I have heard that too but I don’t have any sources
versed helm
boss fight, with truth?
simple locust
I recall Bungie noting they intended a last level, probably check the Bungie Halo 2 commentary. Also yeah a boss fight, like regret.
versed helm
It would just be Regret 2: Electric Boogaloo, that wouldn't be fun.
humble yacht
Prophet fights weren’t traditionally fun
simple locust
It was fun in 2, it could be in 3.
versed helm
There is a cut Warthog run in H2.
humble yacht
You’re one of few who thinks fighting regret was fun
versed helm
Lmao.
humble yacht
Most feedback on it was that it was a lackluster encounter
versed helm
I agree with that consensus.
carmine sleet
Regret's fight was literally just jump on his chair and punch him a bunch without any real way of making it interesting
versed helm
It felt like a gimmick.
humble yacht
It was less about fighting him and more about clearing mobs
versed helm
like i dont see how a truth boss fight would be anywhere near as intersting than what we got but
carmine sleet
Indeed. Those honour guards were more of a boss than Regret was
simple locust
Yeah it was different. Jumping on the chair also allowed the player to escape the guards.
versed helm
regret was like chilling on the chair while my homeboy John punches him to deaath.
simple locust
For a time.
shy dock
I think a QTE would have been an improvement and that’s saying something
versed helm
No thank you.
humble yacht
Press F to stab
humble yacht
Too bad the fight wasn’t over at that point
versed helm
Yeah, I tried...
humble yacht
Could you imagine if the credits rolled after killing truth
carmine sleet
I'd be sat there going "What about the Flood?"
versed helm
What about the Brute attack on the Elites?
simple locust
Well yeah, all melees only use one button.
humble yacht
Killing truth resolves the brutes, too
Because technically rtas got rid of the rest of them in space
Rtas the real mvp
versed helm
I'd like to see an intro to Halo in the style of something like MASH.
simple locust
Also Regret was more fun the fight than the Halo 3 brutes.
versed helm
At least with the Brutes, you had more options to kill them.
You literally had to rush Regret and spam a button to kill him.
versed helm
Yup, so did a lot of other players.
simple locust
Well yeah but regret has better and more interesting strategies, like teleporting. He is also better at fighting.
Or shooting.
fair hazel
Regret was always a more in the action prophet
sharp rapids
thats not a fun way to kill
carmine sleet
Regret, gameplay-wise was not all that interesting of a fight at all
simple locust
Well it also requires jumping, and knowing where he is going to spawn. Also the same can be done to halo 3 brutes, melee quick with little to no consequences. 3's brutes were on most ways a downgrade from 2.
versed helm
Yes but the great thing about the Brutes is that you're not just limited to melee attacks.
humble yacht
Try quick meleeing a brute on legendary, see how that goes
simple locust
Except for the additional Chieftains, although not as good as Tartarus, still worked well.
You also haft to evade shots from regret.
versed helm
Tartarus was a terrible fight.
humble yacht
The problem with both the regret and Tartarus fights were that they had mechanics that artificially prolonged the fight
carmine sleet
Tartar is basically a how not to make a boss fight 101
humble yacht
On top of being a bullet sponge, you can’t even damage Tartarus most of the time
Also both only have one attack a piece
simple locust
Halo CE elites were bullet sponges.
humble yacht
Not really
sharp rapids
i wish the game killed tartarus without a boss fight
versed helm
You have to rely on an AI, which is not even accurate to give you the opportunity to attack him.
carmine sleet
And when you can attack Tartar , it's a small window of time before the shields ccome back
humble yacht
You’re supposed to use plasma on shields
humble yacht
Use a plasma pistol or plasma rifle, their shields break in a second, even the red bois
Maybe two seconds for red bois
Then they flinch and you can switch to magnum for that crispy headshot
simple locust
Can the same not be said for using the beam rifle on Tartarus?
Or just waiting for his shields to go down.
versed helm
I don't think you're given that weapon.
humble yacht
The problem is the waiting
simple locust
You can get it, you just haft to keep it.
humble yacht
Nobody likes waiting to have to deal damage
versed helm
Tell that to Bungie, they keep doing this stuff...
simple locust
Can the same not be said for plasma weapons, when one is not available.
carmine sleet
The big issue with Tartar's fight is that you literally can only strip his shields using a beam rifle. 9/10 you will not have one yourself and have to rely on Johnson to take his shields off
And if you do have one yourself, his shield comes back faster when you strip them off
humble yacht
Plasma weapons of some kind are almost always available throughout CE
simple locust
Yeah just use a sword.
marsh tusk
Wait you could actually damage his shields? I always just ran and waited for johnson to break them
carmine sleet
Energy swords don't work on Tartar when his shield is up and getting close to him is a horrible idea
simple locust
Do beam rifles in Halo 2 do more damage to shields than armor in Halo 2?
humble yacht
Pretty sure beam rifles bounce off armor
I’ve never used beam rifles against vehicles, seems like a bad idea
carmine sleet
It is a bad idea
last anchor
Beam rifles dont penetrate hardened armor well. Especially not refractive coated material like most UNSC equipment
eternal oriole
What about the spartan armor?
I knows its Titanium
But
In real life
Shouldnt a beam rifle laser act more like its easy difficulty self?
Rather than its legendary self
last anchor
Depends on where it hits and the density of the beam.
shy dock
Our most powerful laser is equal to the power of 2,000 trillion watts
It was held for a trillionth of a second ha
Actually that was from 2015 an article from 2019 talks about a laser at 5 times that power - 10 petawatts
So I’m gonna say covenant technology in the beam rifle is gonna burn through literally anything it touches, I don’t think even easy mode does it justice
eternal oriole
Huh
shy dock
10 petawatts is 1/10th the power of all the sunlight that reaches earth concentrated into a single beam
gilded mason
All of them
eternal oriole
The bungie design or the 343 design
gilded mason
343 has gone for a "all of them are canon" stance.
shy dock
They’re just different varieties, like dogs
gilded mason
Yeah
eternal oriole
Ah
Okay
I was just a wee bit confused cause I know that 343 changed most of Bungies's stuff in halo4 and 5 and I was wondering if One or the other was the true design
But if all of it is canon
Well
versed helm
Well, hopefully everything related to the Storm Covenant is just ejected into the vacuum of space.
shy dock
What’s wrong with the covenant remnants? I like the story, I think it makes sense considering the collapse of an empire like the covenant can’t happen overnight
Makes sense that a religious extremist would try to lead the helm
shy dock
Ah, fair enough, no accounting for opinion. You know, uh...what’s his name, med’telcam
versed helm
I respect your opinion though, Ko.
shy dock
I will say the way they treat the characters in game leaves a lot to be desired
versed helm
Yeah, Jul wasn't concluded with justice.
shy dock
That’s for sure
versed helm
It would have been cool to see Thel and Jul confront each other.
I bet the exchange of words would be pretty interesting.
If it was done correctly anyway.
shy dock
Wow I never thought about that and now I’m upset it didn’t happen. Two of the most fleshed out elite characters with opposing viewpoints, leading opposing armies in a civil war
They probably would have just had an old man fight like Chief and Locke though 😑
versed helm
Yeah, sorry that I ruined it for you lmao.
Or even Rtas because he doesn't like the humans either.
gilded mason
Shadow of Intent shows that he really mellowed out after the war ended
All he wants is for fighting to end.
And peace.
versed helm
He basically hunted down the remaining members of the Covenant.
It's a pretty good (and sad) story.
shy dock
I gotta catch up, haven’t read any of the novels since the Thursday war trilogy
shy dock
True that, lots of free time when I’m not studying
shy dock
Haaa that’d be a lot quicker. where’s the fun in that though
versed helm
Well, I did it for some of the stories.
shy dock
No harm done
versed helm
Surprisingly, one of my favourite books is New Blood.
shy dock
Isn’t that the one with rookie? Ugh idk if I can do it
versed helm
Yes, he meets a certain... fate...
shy dock
I’ve heard 😞
versed helm
It was a glorified plot device.
But I think it was used really well.
It basically caused the squad to collapse.
And most of the members questioned Buck's leadership at that point (including himself).
shy dock
Yeah and I think that was an interesting, if depressing, choice for the ODST squad but i don’t like bucks characterization in 5
Not the books fault though
versed helm
No, I just really enjoyed the book overall.
It felt like a biography of Buck's experiences which was made by himself.
shy dock
I’ll definitely check it out, might order some of the newer books soon
versed helm
What's your favourite book, Ko?
shy dock
Hmmm definitely one of the Eric Nylund books, they felt like real military stories
Don’t know if I can pinpoint a specific one, it’s been a while
versed helm
I'm not sure if I have read any that were written by him.
shy dock
Fall of reach, first strike, a couple more; all the og halo books except for the flood
versed helm
I need to read those.
shy dock
Definitely, I highly recommend them
versed helm
I haven't read First Strike or Fall of Reach.
I'll keep those in mind, thanks!
I think the only book that I didn't enjoy too much so far, was Last Light.
shy dock
The only newish one I’ve read was legacy of onyx and i didn’t hate it but wasnt too impressed; something about the writing felt really weird and lackluster to me
versed helm
I keep forgetting what happens in it, so I read it again and I'm like, "Oh, That's why I forgot the plot!"
What happens in Legacy of Onyx?
shy dock
It’s told from the POV of a civilian teenage girl and she goes to school on onyx because her adopted parents are researchers. A group of elites teleports in for some reason to do something bad, I can’t remember why. Then some Spartans stationed on Onyx save the day. I can’t remember too many details I think I read it 2 years ago
versed helm
Sounds like an interesting premise, thanks.
I think that I've heard about the story for it before.
gilded mason
Also, the city on Onyx is also home to Swords of Sanghelios researchers and children.
shy dock
Oh yeah it’s like a multi-species school with grunt kids and elite kids I forgot all about that
carmine sleet
It's a pretty good read too
versed helm
Okay.
carmine sleet
It is, we learn some really interesting things about the Grunts through one of the Grunts that attends the school
craggy sierra
I still find it hard to imagine a Sangheli researcher that like just drops their kids off at school on the way in to work
Actually I have a bunch more questions about the elites that stem from that
Like...do they still do that thing where they shove their kids off to be raised with uncles after the war?
Did all of the elites even do that before?
shy dock
I think they mention something about that in relation to the elite kid that the main character becomes friends with
How he doesn’t know his dad
carmine sleet
That specific Elite is a unique case though, but it's a pretty major part of the story's plot so I'd rather not spoil it if Waffle is planning on reading the novel
craggy sierra
Which book
I feel like I'm slowly building a backlog of Halo stuff to read
I like stories that can play with the cultures and politics of the species in Halo
carmine sleet
Legacy of Onyx
shy dock
Ohhhh yeah hahah I just remembered the context of that
craggy sierra
Smoke and Shadow wound up on my to read list when the intro of the synopsis said the story starts out with a human scrap salvager selling stuff to elites in a bar with her skirmisher business partner
carmine sleet
Smoke and Shadow and its sequel, Renegades are amazing
Kelly (the author, not the Spartan) did a fantastic job
craggy sierra
I wound up developing a bit of a jaded opinion of Halo after it felt like it was getting very up its own butt with making everything about the 5 million year old long dead ancient aliens. I like seeing more grounded stuff from the universe and my small bit of research into the EU since coming back to the series looks like they've done a lot of that stuff since H5.
carmine sleet
Aye, they have. Honestly, it'd be nice for us to get a game in the future that gives us a story like that
versed helm
I hope we get another ODST game, or a new Silent Shadow one.
craggy sierra
Still holding out hope that Infinite being set 3 years in the future is setting up the universe for having to deal with the politics of trying to rebuild together after being curb stomped by cortana. That could lead to lots of fun stories to tell.
carmine sleet
Aye, I could see that
craggy sierra
That's my hopes for this "spiritual reboot"
stoic hamlet
Actually
Could you imagine if they pulled a Jul and had Cortana already defeated by the beginning of Infinite?
What utter blue balls.
(I wouldn’t mind though personally.)
humble yacht
I would mind
gilded mason
Right after John opens the pelican, he accidently flies right into the central hub of the Domain, killing Cortana instantly.
surreal token
Ez clap
versed helm
That sounds like a better pay off than Truth's death... right guys? Right?
whole canopy
does anyone think that 343 will expand on Nicole 458 and expand more on the spartan 2 class 2's ?
shy dock
They need to make prometheans more interesting to fight
5 was a good step up from 4 but it still doesn’t hold a candle to fighting the covenant
stoic hamlet
Class 2 didn’t happen
shy dock
The a.i. Needs improved too, halo CE still has 4 and 5 beat
Because they shouldn’t just throw away the Cortana story line since they already started it, but it has to feel good to play through it too
versed helm
Yeah, but all we can really do is wait for now.
whole canopy
Well... class 2 did happen according to bungie at the time it is even mentioned in the Halopedia.
versed helm
Source?
whole canopy
Halopedia spartan 2, just scroll down you'll see it.
I mean scroll down while you're reading the spartan 2 class and you'll see spartan 2 class 2 and it mentions Nicole 458.
versed helm
Was Nicole the one who tested John's Mk 6 armour?
cyan thunder
Is there a preference to halopedia over halo fandom wiki
versed helm
Halopedia is more reliable.
whole canopy
No that was someone who tested in the mk 6
cyan thunder
Nicole was a non canon Spartan for DOA?
whole canopy
Nicole was someone who was featured in dead or alive 4 as a sort of cameo for master chief because bungie thought Microsoft wouldn't really agree with the idea of having master chief in another game .
Well her story of her appearance is non cannon in DOA but she does exist cannon wise in the halo universe
cyan thunder
This is true, but halopedia states her backstory is non canon.
whole canopy
Actually her backstory is canon but it's just the part where it explains how she is there in the Doa universe that is the non canon part .
what I mean by that is that her origin of how she became a spartan is canon but the mission that she is involved in where she is in Nassau station in a form of time bubble created by a forerunner device that sends her back in time to the DOA universe in not cannon.
gilded mason
Here's a note on Halopedia about the "Class II"s
The Class of 2537 has not been referenced in any official media barring the quasi-canonical ilovebees. The timeline of SPARTAN-III Alpha Company mirrors that of Class II, though no official work has called attention to this coincidence. Notably, the first edition of the Halo Encyclopedia references Yasmine Zaman as a member of the Class of 2525. Though Nicole-458 is said to be based on a "real and properly defined Spartan", the ambiguity of this statement leaves the canonical existence of Class II in doubt.
obsidian thistle
@cyan thunder @whole canopy The canon of the DoA4 stuff is as follows.
•The framing device that uses ILBs is canon for the timebeing. (Though some Halopedians will debate it)
•The Station itself "Nassau Station" is canon. But not it going through time.
•Nicole herself is canon as a Spartan. But every single detail about her is a mystery. She may not even have the same tag.
(And atm Class 2 can work if Halsey is not involved beyond her cancelling her version of it)
last anchor
Her journal mentions a few other programs that could equal S-II
We know nothing about them so
whole canopy
@last anchor I guess Nicole and the so called class 2's was probably one of these programs but not really expanded upon .
stoic hamlet
Class 2 as a specific program defined by ILB’s isn’t canon and it can’t fit into current lore, Nicole could fit as a Spartan III though, number wise.
obsidian thistle
Well
whole canopy
@stoic hamlet that's what I was thinking at vey least.
obsidian thistle
I'd debate that Class 2 can work
stoic hamlet
But not as ILB’s illustrates
Which is what I said :p
It could work
But not in the present format.
To try and force it in makes no sense.
obsidian thistle
Well... the only issue is the fragments mentioning Halsey. BUT. That could be a mistake from a broken and splintered AI.
@stoic hamlet
stoic hamlet
I mean I suppose. It wouldn’t be called class II though.
whole canopy
But I wonder for her service tag instead of being 458 would be something like maybe B-304 ?
stoic hamlet
Why would it need to change?
obsidian thistle
Well her tag is currently non-canon atm. XD
stoic hamlet
She could be from Alpha Company. They had 497 candidates.
And we know S-III’s detached from their companies absconded from using their Company designations for security reasons.
So the tag works.
whole canopy
Now that put it that then yeah there be no reason to change it.
sorry for any misspelling kinda rushed that one out there without prof reading it first.
stoic hamlet
You’re good.
whole canopy
So I guess Nicole would probably be known as Nicole A-458
stoic hamlet
For her tag to be canon, yes.
obsidian thistle
But atm. The only thing canon is
Her name is Nicole. And she is a Spartan.
What Spartan generation. We have zero idea.
whole canopy
and the whole spartan 2 class 2 background would probably be more lore background for her as a mean of saying that she's one of the first candidates to be a prototype spartan 3
Or just one of the first hundred individuals to be a spartan 3 .
whole canopy
Oh well that makes sense.
So now that possibility of her existence is a bit more folded out speculation wise for cannon and that she could possibly be a spartan 3. What would be the explanation for the whole spartan 2 class 2 program or is it better left off alone? Because like Killer Orca said earlier that it could be considered a side project that Halsey's journal mentions briefly about matching the spartan II's but not really expanded upon because if so then I could see why, I mean when coming to talk about it, it's quite confusing.
stoic hamlet
IMO it’s best left alone. Trying to shove something where it cannot go never ends well.
whole canopy
True that especially if it's not thought out to well or planned out right.
ebon light
So I rewatched the trailer where Carter becomes a Spartan III.
Why don't they give him anesthetics? Surely they can reduce his pain with all the funding they have.
stoic hamlet
That trailer isn’t really canon visually.
It’s done to look flashy, but in the book that shows the III’s augmentations and the like it’s done much differently.
craggy sierra
“We had books?”
~Bungie
simple locust
So what would happen if the flood fought Tyrannids?
last anchor
Flood would consume the Nids. The nids require large structures and complicated organisms to ensure consumption, literally eating their way through a planets biosphere.
The flood merely need an animal to breath. And something tells me even the Hive mind of the Tyranids would PALE in comparison to the force of the Gravemind.
Also worse; EVERYTHING about the Nids is biological. We're looking at every single Nid vessel transformed instantly into a Keymind.
COMPLETE jump from feral to Interstellar
simple locust
Could the Tyrannids infect the flood?
versed helm
How chaotic was the writing process for Halo 3's story?
versed helm
What things in Halo 3 would you have gone back in time to fix?
simple locust
I recall 3 or more writers, was that why?
versed helm
And i probably butchered that sentence
Like were there things in Halo 3 that could've used a bit more work?
stoic hamlet
A lot of the story
For example, John only said one thing to Thel, “worse”.
A lot of Miranda’s decisions are really odd and dumb, no military commander would have ever done what she did.
Truth is super OOC.
Thel’s basically pointless, as is Rtas.
shy dock
It’s okay John and Thels bond goes beyond words 🤝
terse lava
"To war"
versed helm
cringe
I barely see them as friends.
What did the Drones do to the Marines they captured?
last anchor
Ate them, most likely.
versed helm
That's a scary thought.
last anchor
I mean, that seemed to be fairly common for Covenant troops. Jackals and Grunts ate most of Bucks home town alive.
That said, there's reports of humans doing the same in return, especially in desperate situations. Apperently, Jackal tastes like chicken if you cook it right.
versed helm
I'm aware of Jackals doing that but I don't remember New Blood mentioning Grunts doing it.
terse lava
There was a scene in FOR where blue team wiped out a hundred or so unggoy and kig-yar who ate the citizens of a town. Would say besides the san shyuum and sangheili, every other race will happily eat a human
versed helm
Not surprised really.
I don't think that New Blood specified how Buck's family were killed.
But I can assume that it was not a desired fate.
versed helm
Is it possible that the covenant reverse engineered Ancient Humans' starships?
Well they did that with Forerunner tech.
So I can't see how they wouldn't be able to.
it is certainly possible
but there havent been such cases as far as we know
rigid ravine
Anyone here know how the Gravemind was able to talk to Chief on the cruiser that came to Earth during Halo 3?
versed helm
Probably neural physics.
rigid ravine
Thank you, kind sir. Literally watched a thing on neural physics today and didn't even consider that.
versed helm
No problem, I'm glad that I could help.
versed helm
Thank you, kind sir. Literally watched a thing on neural physics today and didn't even consider that.
@rigid ravine What did you watch?
blazing compass
Probably installation 00s stuff cos it’s the best
rigid ravine
Indeed it was. Installation00's video on the Precursors. "The Precursors. They're coming. - Lore and Theory"
blazing compass
Are you a member of the discord then?
We have great discussions about lore and stuff
versed helm
I didn't know that the guy had a server.
blazing compass
I don’t know if I can post a link here but it’s in the description of all his videos
oak oar
in halo 2 how did the gravemind telport chief and thel away to the rest ofthe game?
pulsar grail
teleporters
humble yacht
Gravemind took over the Halo teleportation grid
versed helm
like how cortana did in CE
humble yacht
Yep
Except gravemind had a monitor in custody so likely had much better control over the grid
versed helm
Where are the passenger seats on a Banshee?
Since I think that I remember a quote somewhere which describes several people using the vehicle.
limpid meadow
There are no passenger seats. If multiple people are using a single Banshee, they'd have to simply squeeze in there together.
versed helm
I was thinking the same thing, even then, how the Hell can you squeeze together in such a tight space like that?
humble yacht
You can’t
limpid meadow
Banshees are made for giant species like Elites and Brutes, so Humans and smaller species could conceivably squeeze in together
versed helm
Probably experienced the Mandela Effect.
terse lava
No it happened once. Zuka 'Zamamee and the unggoy Yayap escaped thr human base in The Flood with a single banshee
humble yacht
lame
blazing compass
What is your opinion of the heretic elites?
limpid meadow
I could see that working
terse lava
Eh I figure Yayap just held on to Zuka from behind while the sangheili piloted it, as that was the whole reason they were at the banshees
humble yacht
What is your opinion of the heretic elites?
Sesa's recruits were pretty bottom barrel to have gotten routed by Thel and the spec ops
terse lava
Well no one said they were experts
limpid meadow
They're called "Special Operations" for a reason
blazing compass
Isn’t the point that spec ops could kill anyone?
versed helm
They're dead now.
terse lava
Anyone would get their butts handed to them by those guys
Eh I doubt all died. Some camped on the moon
limpid meadow
Sesa's team were an artifact recovery team, and equipped as such. Thel was one of the greatest warriors in the Covenant
blazing compass
You know there elite when the grunts are above cannon fodder
versed helm
I'm pretty sure that almost all of them (if not all) are dead.
The facility lost it's gravitational systems, the Flood had overwhelmed personnel and Thel killed the leader.
Unless there is lore established for a planned escape?
humble yacht
we fly by some banshees on our way to the final fight
maybe those guys got to safety
versed helm
I doubt it.
humble yacht
it's possible, is all that they're saying
obsidian thistle
Oh note about Zamamee and Yayap getting in a banshee together. It struggled to do so. Losing altitude.
(Had to check the source for that)
Now whether it was a Type-26A or Type-26B is unknown.
terse lava
I am just saying the heretics had another base on the moon
versed helm
I should have specified that I was exclusively referring to the facility's crew.
terse lava
I would think the A variant as that's all that existed at the time.of the writing
Well yea those on the mine are dead
versed helm
I've been wondering... the title cards for missions. Is this what the character is thinking?
humble yacht
title cards?
versed helm
Seeing stuff like, "I should have become a watch maker".
obsidian thistle
I'd say they are just themes for level sections.
terse lava
Funny idea but doubt that. Thel doesnt seem like the guy to think ,"your butt, my size 24 hoof"
obsidian thistle
(Plus puns on what is happening)
versed helm
Well... you never know. Plus, I like the idea of Noble Six aspiring to become a watch maker lol.
last anchor
Hah
versed helm
At first, I thought they were the mission titles, but now I think they're "chapters" in the campaign.
It's like the entire campaign but divided into multiple parts, and those multiple parts can be composed of multiple missions, or smaller parts of a single mission.
Have Bungie or 343 clarified what they're for, though?
I don't think so.
Otherwise you'd see videos like: "sIx WaNtEd tO Be a WaTcH mAkEr CoNfIrMED?"
Halo Follower.
carmine sleet
I'm surprised nobody's brought up the fact that that's a quote of Einstein's
versed helm
Think the Sentinels would try to help the Marines in Quarantine Zone?
limpid meadow
Without an active monitor, probably not
humble yacht
without a monitor directing them, i think they'd ignore the marines unless attacked, then go hostile
or maybe they'd just try to sterilize everything in the zone
versed helm
Yeah, I would have thought that they would just try to sterilise everything.
last anchor
Anything fleshy must be purged
humble yacht
the only way to kill the flood is to starve it 😛
versed helm
Sterilise and burn, until it is done.
rocky vector
So Im just now getting into the books and I just finish the Fall of Reach. I liked it alot but my only complaint is that there are time skips and I got a bit confused when it skiped. But I still really liked it a lot
Im going through the flood right now
last anchor
Time skips are a common theme in Halo books.
rocky vector
But I did want to ask. I know the Miranda Keys is Captain Keyes and Doctor Halseys daughter, but do we ever get to find out when they did the business. I mean Im pretty sure I met between 2517 and Mriranda was born on 2525 so when did it happening in those 8 years? Do we ever get any info on that?
last anchor
Its mentioned in Halsey's Journal from the Reach Legendary Edition. Don't remember the exact date
Its after the Human-Covenant War began tho
Wait no.
limpid meadow
Miranda was born in February, 2525. So 9-ish months before that
last anchor
Thanks Toa
limpid meadow
So roughly June 2524
There is a mention in Halsey's Journal of Halsey and Keyes getting together in 2524, implying they got "busy" that night, but it's in November if memory serves, which obviously has some problems.
rocky vector
Oh ok. I'll have to see if I canm get a copy of the journal
limpid meadow
Best of luck. You can get luck and find a copy on E-bay now and then, but that's usually it.
rocky vector
Yeah. I'll see
Also with the implication of Halo Reach when did Captain Keyes have time to get Cortana from Noble Six?
limpid meadow
Oh wow, I just looked and there are several listings for it right now.
rocky vector
I know that theyre a lot of plot hole with canon with Halo Reach and the Fall of Reach
limpid meadow
The general implication is that Keyes picked up Chief from Gamma station, and just before jumping out-system he turned around and landed on Reach to pick up the fragment of Cortana
twin spade
What do you think would happen if noble six came with Keyes
limpid meadow
BTW, the Cortana in Reach is a fragment that was created earlier in the month of August
twin spade
Oh
carmine sleet
What do you think would happen if noble six came with Keyes
Autumn would've been destroyed by the ship that was one its way to attack them
limpid meadow
I think he means: what if Noble 6 had had the opportunity to go with Keyes and escape
Basically: what if Noble 6 were present for Halo CE
twin spade
Yes
Would they need master chief or will Keyes still be alive???
That is the question
rocky vector
And I know that The Fall of Reach was suppose to show that Chief was the last Spartan and explain why there wasnt any in Halo 1. Atleast that was the idea. But in any other books do we get an explination of how Linda, Fred, and the rest of the spartans survived?
last anchor
That would be First Strike.
rocky vector
Ok so first strike explain it. Gotcha
versed helm
I'd assume that if Six didn't die on Reach, he would die protecting Keyes as he crashed PoA into Installation 04.
last anchor
Well it starts the explanation, Blue Team are kind of pivitoal in the novels. Until they vanished about halfway through when we swapped from Bungie era (ending with GoO) and into the 343 Era (beginning with Glasslands)
twin spade
But what if the installation was destroyed I watched a video on how one marine could have destroyed the flood so would he die by being infected or would he help the marine ???
simple locust
So what is the funniest human death in Halo?
last anchor
Probably that lady trying to rob the ATM in Sadie's story getting Mauler'd.
That or the buisnessman trying to talk to the Wraith and getting turned into ash by its mortar.
carmine sleet
The one guy who tried to join the Covenant during Cole Protocol but the Covenant just blew up his escape pod
simple locust
Is it the overweight guy torn apart by grunt on Harvest. Oh yeah that's funny too.
last anchor
Thats not funny, thats sad
Dude held his own
He went down like a soldier.
Took some Covies with him too.
coarse prairie
yeah, Noble six could have been w/ the Marine Fireteam that found the Covenant releasing the Flood in the Swamp quarantine complex
simple locust
I have yet to read the book. Wait I thought he was the first casualty? It said he also yawned a lot. I've just the Halopedia article about him. Is it not accurate?
rocky vector
Ok so I did check Halseys journal and it does say that they met again with Jocab keyes so maybe thats when it happened but it doesnt go any further then that
They say its november 17, 2524
limpid meadow
Yeah, Halsey ain't delivering after 4 months. Not unless she did some experiments on her own daughter
ripe sage
Toa, I pardoned that for you
unfortunately people rarely use that word in relation to Halo in a serious manner
limpid meadow
Thanks. Sorry about that.
limpid meadow
Because Halsey was a neglectful mother.
versed helm
or maybe just a bit too occupied with her work?
like, ive read her jounral and it certainly feels like she cared about her?
carmine sleet
That's kinda why she was neglectful
versed helm
oh
rocky vector
Well it seemed that they had a falling out as miranda was 7 or so
carmine sleet
She was so focused on her work that she didn't spend enough time with Miranda
rocky vector
Then she went to live with Keyes and changed her name to keyes
But in the journal she did say that she did talk to Jacob about miranda
simple locust
Did they have more kids or just Miranda?
versed helm
just miranda.
simple locust
Did they break up or just not spend time together?
versed helm
as far as i know, even halsey and jacob were never really "romantic". like they barely ever met.
rocky vector
Halsey did call keyes a gentleman so I think thjeir was a sence of flattery with keys and halsey I just wish we had more of that
versed helm
same, but this was not meant to be a "romantic" relationship.
it was more
uh
idk how to say it
rocky vector
I mean I wouldnt call it romantic, no. But i do think there was a bit of flattery with eachother but nothing more then really just a close friend
simple locust
Is that Jimmy Carter?
rocky vector
They had comradory with each other but it was probably just a night that they had together and one thing led to the next. Then miranda was born. Probably more of an accident then on purpoose really
fair hazel
Halsey lost her family .(
versed helm
yeahhhhhhhhhhh now all she got is blue team
OH AND HER OTHER DAUGHTER IS TRYING TO RULE THE UNIVERSE BAHAHAHAHAHA
fair hazel
Daughter... eh
rocky vector
It was basically a one night stand, but I do think that halsey does carew about miranda I wish we had info on how she felt when miranda dies or when keyes died
Well not her duaghter, but really herself
versed helm
she certainly cared, thats what her journal and the fact that there was a photo of her in the lab at the beginning of h5
suggested to me.
last anchor
Raw Flood biomass converted ot a weapon if I had to guess
simple locust
So what is the difference between those and pure forms?
fair hazel
She cried after learning her death
humble yacht
So what is the difference between those and pure forms?
Pure Forms refer to a specific combat unit that is made of pure flood biomass instead of converting a host into a combat form
simple locust
How is a host turned into tentacles without being made a pure flood biomass?
What makes the tentacles? Is it the proto-gravemind?
fair hazel
Pure form is different than just bimoass
humble yacht
if a host was turned into a tentacle then it's not a pure form
simple locust
Oh OK. How are they made?
humble yacht
Coordinated Stage Flood can actually start produced flood biomass de novo
without converting other creatures
simple locust
Also were flood cults infected before they joined?
humble yacht
no
if you're infected then you stop being a cult and you're just flood at that point
cults that worship a thing aren't part of the thing they worship
simple locust
Why did they join?
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
some people are crazy
maybe the idea of joining a hive mind appeals to some people
simple locust
Was it due to the flood being Precursor dust?
simple locust
Did they have weapons, like the Covenant?
humble yacht
halopedia, friend
sudden juniper
not sanshyuum
humble yacht
where is it said in the lore that the UNSC funded Flood cults?
simple locust
Human-San'Shyuum Empire government.
sudden juniper
i probably shouldnt do that in the lore channel where people come to learn about things
danke
shy dock
Flood cults would be dope. Halo : DOOM
craggy sierra
That would be really really really dumb
carmine sleet
A Flood cult already exists but I believe they were wiped out when the Flood took High Charity
fair hazel
Imagine the flood not infecting a cult on purpose so they can spread more easily
last anchor
Or delay-infecting, turning them into living timebombs...
jolly furnace
Actually SanShyuum were also infected during the Flood's first emergence in Forerunner Era
Flood initally caused phychological changes in behavior of humans which caused them to abduct uninfected and force feed them til they grew to horrific sizes before consuming them tooo
Which served to spread infection
So the Flood did do slow infections and used those people to gather more people to spread more easily
humble yacht
the cannibalism contributed to the mutation of the parasite
it evolved to a point where it could turn people into flood
jolly furnace
Yeah that
craggy sierra
When I say it would be dumb I mostly mean in the context of if it were to appear in one of the games or current era set books. As a plot beat in the background of the flood from however many ungodly years ago it was it’s fine...I guess. But if flood cults were going to start popping up in 2560 I’d sit back and wait for the pending Dead Space lawsuit.
gilded mason
But Waffle, don't you want to be made whole?
gilded mason
lol
humble yacht
i like Ellie better anyway
spiral jewel
Stupid question that's approaching spoiler territory...
Is Echo 216 (the Pelican from the Infinite trailer) a D77-TC or a D79-TC?
Something tells me that it's a D79... But I'm not sure
Or, I could have answered my question without realizing it
versed helm
You guys should check this out if you haven't. I've watched a few times since it came out in April and I love it.
versed helm
Unless?
craggy sierra
Yeah but like we already have dead space for that and the flood aren't really that interesting as a story device anymore.
unique rune
Is Echo 216 (the Pelican from the Infinite trailer) a D77-TC or a D79-TC?
Something tells me that it's a D79... But I'm not sure
Doesn't seem to be either.
There's a section between the cockpit and troop bay that isn't present on any visually identified Pelican models.
Though I do think we can pretty confidently say it isn't a 79 series, since it has an angular framed canopy instead of twin bubble.
Overall design would suggest it's closer to a 77 type but until we have more official info it basically amounts to just being an unidentified model.
versed helm
I'm not into pelican models but, is it possible that this is an entirely new model
there's quite a time gap between infinite and h5
unique rune
I think that's likely what it is, if it isn't some kind of upgraded D77.
Could also be a 75 from Oblivion if the UNSC is strapped for resources.
At the end of the day we won't know more until 343 gives us more info.
versed helm
naive compass
Why is primordial some kind of Hybrid of a gravemind and precurser?
jolly furnace
Its a Precursor mutated to survive vast spans of time (a billion years at least).
It didn't resemble the Precursors as they appeared during the genocide by the Forerunners
It could shapshift to an extent and thus change its physical appearance
It did this between Cryptum and Primordium
clever fable
Precursors in general were said to have changed into many forms, I don't even know if they have a singular "normal" form.
naive compass
I've been really a lot into the halo lore right now and everything and oh boy that the flood and everything make me very curious
jolly furnace
I imagine they are higher-dimensional beings
clever fable
Given their age, and the comment about them having non-physical forms, you might be right that they weren't originally physical.
naive compass
aren't precursors gods?
naive compass
i keep saying precursers
clever fable
Would give the Flood an interesting fallen god motif.
naive compass
Yeah
jolly furnace
We know what you mean
They have that now
Precursors basically equals God
Primordial/Gravemind equals Satan
Also Precursors are essentially vengeful gods now
hexed sand
Ok so honest question here, what is the deal with prometheans in Halo 4
I played through the whole game and didn't really think to question "who the hell are these guys"
naive compass
gravemind are really scary i don't wanna see a keyminds
gilded mason
Keyminds are just any level of coordinated Flood intelligence
Gravemind would be the pinnacle of Keyminds, for example
clever fable
That reclassification of keyminds was for the worse imo
naive compass
@hexed sand Promotheans are Transformed Humans by the didact
jolly furnace
I consider Keyminds as the planet sized Flood nodes and key minds as the HW2 definition
Makes it easier for me
naive compass
with the recomposer
clever fable
easier way of looking at it yeah
jolly furnace
H4 was great imo
hexed sand
I just kept shooting the enemies and pushing the button
naive compass
H4 was great yeah
main siren
BTW, Its called Composer, Harki
hexed sand
The gameplay is not great imo
naive compass
yeah composer
unique rune
When you get that reductive you've basically described every Halo game.
naive compass
Just like me when i first played halo ce
clever fable
Aren't most games just pushing buttons 
clever fable
but you had to push a button to shoot the enemies
hexed sand
No but I mean halo 4 had like a whole special animation for pushing big green puttons
naive compass
fall of reach never forget
unique rune
implying the other games weren't also a bunch of "kill enemies, reach objective, push button or defend point", rinse and repeat
hexed sand
What I mean but "kill enemies and push the button" is literally that
In the other games, they at least come up with interesting things for the objectives
naive compass
yeah one more question i'm thinking about where is mendicant bias right now i know it got with the covenant at some times but right now where it is if anyone knows?
gilded mason
Unknown, but possibly dead.
naive compass
would be sad if dead
clever fable
I'd be interesting in seeing Mendicant go on an adventure in a Keyship with Colony
naive compass
the number of things we could know about the flood with mb
jolly furnace
Its possible a fragment of MB is on Zeta Halo but I would think the Forerunners removed it after taking back that ring in Primordium
naive compass
a fragment?
jolly furnace
Yeah
naive compass
What do you mean?
jolly furnace
There was a fragment of him on that ring.
jolly furnace
Yes
He's an AI
He can inhabit many bodies
at once
The one on the ring was shut down and i would think removed from the ring after
gilded mason
i would think removed from the ring after
I think it was.
jolly furnace
It would be logical
Hence i dont think it will be in Infinite
and all flood was apparently sterilized on it
naive compass
the logic plague is also something very special that i can't understand like i know it can "infects" ai but how does it work?
jolly furnace
So why are we going there in H6?
Logic plague is a term used for the many ways the Flood perpetuates itself
It changes to adapt to whatever suits flood's purpose
naive compass
good to know
clever fable
I'm guessing they'll get rid of the Infinity, but that particular Halo ring will eventually end up as "ours" by the end of the Campaign.
naive compass
the halo seen in the trailer of infinity is zeta halo
clever fable
yes
naive compass
how it got destroyed
well guess we have to wait
How mendicant bias got corrupted mendicant is an ai how did he? like i can't understand
jolly furnace
The Logic plague is transmitted through memes and complex information encoded in everything it says, and it's likewise implied that the same goes for any communication it has with organic life, too. It's somewhat implied that the Flood/Gravemind's utter malice and desire to corrupt is absolute.
Primordial used logic plague on him
It simply kept giving logical arguments to him endlessly
MB couldn't match wits with the Primordial
No AI or organic can
naive compass
So
jolly furnace
The logic plague is metaphysical at its core
jolly furnace
It was persuaded by primordial's logic
Also Primordial may have hacked its core matrix non-physically
naive compass
i'm realizing how pprimordial is powerful
the most intelligent ai
couldn't even mess with primordial
jolly furnace
Its a being that has psychic/metaphysical abilities in addition to an incalculable intellect
naive compass
what a fool i was when i thought that cortana ws the most intelligent ai
but does that mean
that primordial is still alive?
or it got wiped out
when the halos fired
clever fable
the flood has a race memory that it links to every time a gravemind is formed. So it kinda still exists? Each new gravemind acquires that same knowledge.
Also on the topic of AI's I wonder how Precursors contrast to their knowledge engines like Abaddon.
jolly furnace
Well I would think Abaddon could hold more knowledge then an indvidual precursor mind
I have to wonder if a Precursor AI is a machine or just a Precursor transcending its physical form ala Force Ghosts or Ascension like in Stargate
naive compass
good question
jolly furnace
Its hard to tell given the nature of Precursors and Neural Physics
clever fable
Maybe we were the Precursors the whole time.
naive compass
but trad does that mean the current gravemind alive have the knowledge of the primordial?
clever fable
Yea
jolly furnace
That is a theory some have about Precursors Trad
The we were Precursors the whole time thing
clever fable
People actually think that lol?
jolly furnace
Some think they could have just seeded their own extremely adaptive/mutative DNA on planets