#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 337

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Oh, thanks.

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:28 PM

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I dont think the modern story will go past 2610whatever it is in the timeline

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I think it will end there and then we go backwards

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get prequels from other eras

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in games

haughty urchin Jun 1, 2020, 4:28 PM

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I think the narrative focus isn't on humanities obliteration at the moment, especially if you consider the recent plot moves of Halo 5

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 4:28 PM

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it's not focused on obliteration

haughty urchin Jun 1, 2020, 4:28 PM

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It's highly likely that Cortana's regime would repair Reach, probably moreso than normal human command

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So it's not really a ruiner, personally

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Cortana wants subjugation, not eradication. humanity's freedom is at stake

haughty urchin Jun 1, 2020, 4:29 PM

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It would be more of a narrative issue if we were still under the arc of the Halo rings detonation

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:29 PM

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I think whatever happens with the Created, the FLood, Precursors etc will all happen before 2610 and they will be resolved by then

scarlet hinge Jun 1, 2020, 4:30 PM

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the entire story direction now is "we survived, how do we rebuild a better future" (well, that's what it was....), so the ending of reach is fine

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 4:30 PM

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cortana is basically ENFORCING peace, by becoming a friggin galactic dictator.
she aint killing humanity thats not her goal at all.

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:30 PM

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There's hints cortana my want to use a halo to compose species if she can hook one up to a halo

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 4:31 PM

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i dont see why she would want to use a halo

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hell i dont understand why the hell is zeta halo a part of the narrative in the first place

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 4:31 PM

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one theory is that she could use a halo to amplify the coverage of a composer

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 4:31 PM

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...........and thats possible?

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 4:31 PM

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something people thought the Didact wanted to do back in Escalation

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we don't know

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it's a theory

scarlet hinge Jun 1, 2020, 4:32 PM

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it's space magitech, if the writers decided they wanted that to be the case it can quite easily be the case

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 4:32 PM

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but wont activating a halo uh do what uh halo does uh

haughty urchin Jun 1, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Do we have any idea how Chief got from the end of 5 to the Infinite trailer btw?

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 4:32 PM

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hell i dont understand why the hell is zeta halo a part of the narrative in the first place
one reason I think is possible is that Halsey wants to find the Domain's core to reset it. She finds clues that the core is at Maethrillian and seeks to locate maethrillian (which zeta halo has been to)

scarlet hinge Jun 1, 2020, 4:32 PM

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thats why theyd use some technobabble to make the halo nonlethal

hushed badger Jun 1, 2020, 4:33 PM

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If we're lucky they might release some info a day before release.

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Halos have different firing settings

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Do we have any idea how Chief got from the end of 5 to the Infinite trailer btw?

3 year time gap.

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so if we do go to maethriilan ill be a happy happy man

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boy

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16 year old

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kid

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CSGOKilljoy

last anchor Jun 1, 2020, 4:34 PM

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I'll take Maethrillian, yeah

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Yeah they need a very good reason to be at Zeta Halo

scarlet hinge Jun 1, 2020, 4:35 PM

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do they

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:35 PM

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I don't to be there just for the sake of it

scarlet hinge Jun 1, 2020, 4:35 PM

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they already have a science outpost there

crimson steppe Jun 1, 2020, 4:35 PM

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hey, does anyone know how old biologically Chief is?
not chronologically, biologically since cryo is how it is

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 4:35 PM

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not exactly

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 4:36 PM

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i think what chimera said is the most likely reason.

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 4:36 PM

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spartan biology is differernt from normal humans

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:36 PM

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I mean to my knoweledge, flood is sterilized on it. Mendicant bias logically should have been removed by the forerunners from there

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 4:36 PM

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we don't know how long a spartan lives normally

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 4:36 PM

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maethriilian, domain's core, halsey. it makes sense.

scarlet hinge Jun 1, 2020, 4:36 PM

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the unsc outpost on Zeta notes it has very different architecture and general "feel" to the other rings

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Well if go by GS's comments in Bestarium not longer then normal humans naturally

scarlet hinge Jun 1, 2020, 4:36 PM

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they know something's up with it

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 4:36 PM

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hey, does anyone know how old biologically Chief is?
not chronologically, biologically since cryo is how it is

i think, i think, around 30.

crimson steppe Jun 1, 2020, 4:36 PM

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i was talking about his age, not age relative to total life span

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 4:37 PM

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beastarium is probably outdated

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 4:37 PM

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30\

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30

haughty urchin Jun 1, 2020, 4:37 PM

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You'd have to take all his mentioned cryosleep times and minus it from 47

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Well its still used on wiki

hushed badger Jun 1, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Like 40-ish.

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 4:37 PM

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more recent lore has suggested a much longer lifespan

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:37 PM

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For S4's

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and it was only speculation

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 4:38 PM

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in h4's legendary ending he uh looked a bit uh old

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:38 PM

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I thin them leaving much longer takes away from forerunners working so hard to get long lifespans

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with their super armor

scarlet hinge Jun 1, 2020, 4:38 PM

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i mean theres a bit of a power gap between living tens of thousands of years

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and like

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an extra few decades

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 4:38 PM

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yeah

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 4:38 PM

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yep

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:38 PM

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I mean ancient humans could apparently live for 1000 years but we dont know if that was naturally or via medical science/tech

hushed badger Jun 1, 2020, 4:39 PM

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There's no way that's natural.

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 4:39 PM

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most probably science?

hushed badger Jun 1, 2020, 4:39 PM

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100%

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Yeah i would think so

crimson steppe Jun 1, 2020, 4:39 PM

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most probably both but mostly science

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:39 PM

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But then florians could live for 200 and still be young

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and they were devolved

haughty urchin Jun 1, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Also, we don't know if ancient humans had any different biology with their telomeres

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Humans run out of cell divisions and stuff after 120 years

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:40 PM

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I mean if they were humans i doubt they've beat natural aging via natural evolution

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 4:40 PM

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fair point dandelion.
i guess their lifespans were relatively longer than current humanity's but technology still played a part.

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maybe

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i think so

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 4:42 PM

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I wouldn't say "run out" as the oldest recorded human was 122 when she died in 1997

haughty urchin Jun 1, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Hey Ado, is that a fan name or a character?

hushed badger Jun 1, 2020, 4:42 PM

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It's not much different from nowadays irl, humans can live for so long but advancement in medicine/technology keeps extending human lifespan.

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 4:43 PM

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My own

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:43 PM

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I've read of someone who was over 130 when they died.

haughty urchin Jun 1, 2020, 4:43 PM

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You can live past 120, but your bodies ability to repair itself is basically gone

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Not gone gone

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But severely hampered

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 4:43 PM

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no human has made it to 130

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:43 PM

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I read it somewhere

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Well no of course not

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 4:43 PM

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oldest human ever was a 122 yo french woman

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Ive no confirmation for that

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Yep

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:44 PM

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On record yes

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 4:44 PM

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who smoked and drank all her life

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:44 PM

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irony

last anchor Jun 1, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Will is a useful thing

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:45 PM

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39768321 No confirmation on this one I think

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146 apparently

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3 years ago

hushed badger Jun 1, 2020, 4:47 PM

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146? Geez, sounds boring as hell.

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A lot of time to play Halo though.

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 4:48 PM

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If we really want to go with myths, some ancient civilizations claimed their rulers lived 25,000 years

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Yeah we know that's unlikely

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Though in the halo verse fully believable

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:49 PM

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You refer to the Kings List from Sumer I presume

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Yep

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:50 PM

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If those people actually had reigned that long, I'd be like, whats ur secret for long life

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Someone actually theorized AHs lived that long in Forerunner era

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I'm like "where you gettin that idea from"

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And they brought up the Kings List

hushed badger Jun 1, 2020, 4:51 PM

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I don't know, the lord of admirals looked realy old in comparison to the didact.

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AH probably lived very, very long not as much as the Forerunner did.

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Guess one could argue in halo, the king's list could be either forerunners who watched over earth for s time

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The best comparison we have to life was from the LOA who compared human lives to a flickering candle while forerunners were a brilliant torch

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Forthencho outright said forerunners lived much longer then humans of his time

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Forthencho looked young at start of human-flood war but had clearly aged by the of the human-forerunner war

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over 1000 years

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his aging was likely accelerated by stress

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aswell

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Well the war itself last 1000 years

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:55 PM

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However he retained his vitality and musclature it seems

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Yeah the human-forerunner war was 1000 years

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but the humans were fighting the flood longer then that

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Yea few centuries

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 4:56 PM

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for at least a couple of centuries prior

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So LoD is our bar right now for AH lifespans

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I imagine if forerunners went all their lives without armor or augments they;d live about as long as we do now

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given how similar we are

median trout Jun 1, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Probably

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 4:59 PM

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I think they would actually live at least several centuries just due to the biological changes done to themselves as a race

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It is interesting to note though that we never see forerunners over a certain age

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 5:00 PM

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I mean without any genetic altering whatsoever

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Best we have is Bitterness who trained the didact and led the military during the "kradal conflict" which, if is accurate was 500,000 years ago

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 5:01 PM

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I dont recall when that conflict happened

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 5:01 PM

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It was a "somber forerunner civil war" and the didact claimed the last forerunner civil war happened 500,000 years before the war with humans

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I am only assuming though seeing as that's all we have to go on

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 5:03 PM

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that seems to long for even a forerunner to not die somehow

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or just give up life out of utter boredom

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 5:03 PM

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shrug why would they give up on life? They have things to do

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 5:05 PM

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500,000 years

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?

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I think u've probably done everything one can do

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legally of course

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Do they really care about laws?

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Thing about living so long or forever is, eventually you will either go insane or just bored of living

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 5:07 PM

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You are thinking in the way of a normal human, not a race who has biologically crafted themselves to pretty much protect the galaxy and study the universe under the idea your creators told you too

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Well the forerunners could refresh their minds so insanity wouldn't be s problem

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Wow, that's pretty weird.

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 5:09 PM

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What

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 5:10 PM

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So they could just reset their minds if they felt guilty for performing acts of evil?

hushed badger Jun 1, 2020, 5:12 PM

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That's cheating.

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Well the example used in the book were bacteria in the librarian from an ancient forerunner. She comments if it altered her personality too much, like what happened with Bornstellar and the didact later, her colleagues and her ancilla hoped "resetting" her mind to a previous upload would suffice to save her

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Ah, so it is a reset on a cellular level, I wonder if that still affects her memories with that logic...

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 5:14 PM

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From her perspective I assume it would be like a men in black memory wipe

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Lol, "Please look at the pen please".

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 5:15 PM

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I wonder if specific memories can be saved to be reintroduced after a "reset."

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Likely

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Only limit would really be what's available to be used as a backup save

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 5:19 PM

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That concept is really strange to me.

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I would assume that they would have to archive memories, otherwise, I can see interactions with fellow Forerunners being pointless. That's if these memory wipes are done frequently.

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 5:25 PM

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The ancilla likely "saves" memory after a certain time passes

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 5:28 PM

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I imagine even resetting their minds to a previous state, memories prior to that reset could remain and resuface

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Honestly that reset opens oneself up to a lotta potential issues mentally speaking

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One could potentally go insane from too many of those or from regaining erase memories

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or personality traits

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 5:29 PM

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It was issues the forerunners apparently had a good handle on. They were capable of fixing mass neurological damage done to forerunners who passed too close to certain precursor artifacts

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 5:30 PM

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I doubt that they would experience issues with that when they were able to harden light itself.

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Would say the bigger feat is making hundreds of shield worlds in secret, another 3AU in diameter, 2 arks, and 19 halos

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Yeah, you're right.

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That and almost crush the Precursors themselves.

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 5:36 PM

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I wouldn't really say crushed from what we know of the precursors

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Okay.

jolly furnace Jun 1, 2020, 5:49 PM

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I mean given what we saw of Precursor tech in Silentium and that the Forerunners couldn't destroy that stuff way back then, I think the Precursors letting themselves be killed is the only reason the Forerunners beat them back then

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Also Forerunners did experience mental issues and didn't always fix it. Case in point - Ur-Didact

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They could have tried the reset thing

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but either didn't or if they did then it failed

obsidian thistle Jun 1, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Minor bad news: It "seems" Halo: Shadows of Reach was delayed from September 22 to now being October 20. Sorry for the bad news lore fans.

fair hazel Jun 1, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Noooooo

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2020, 6:57 PM

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That is a shame for sure

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 7:09 PM

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This heresy has no bounds

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2020, 7:11 PM

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I wouldn't call this a heresy

stoic hamlet Jun 1, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Nooooooooo!

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Oh well, as long as an indigo is open near me I should be able to get it early.

I mean uhhhhh.........the day it comes out.

marsh tusk Jun 1, 2020, 7:14 PM

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I am very sad since now I can't get it for my birthday 😦

fair hazel Jun 1, 2020, 7:17 PM

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facepalm moment. I was like, huh you have indigo where you live? and then it's like, oh right , canadian

stoic hamlet Jun 1, 2020, 7:23 PM

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Yis

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But yeah, works out really well. I can get Halo books a week or so early usually.

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Nice

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Please tell me there's like an equivalent of a secret handshake that Canadians do whenever they meet another Canadian online

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Then again, if it's secret, I doubt you'd tell me...

stoic hamlet Jun 1, 2020, 7:25 PM

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I can’t say I’ve ever heard of such a thing.......

or have I?

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😉

twin edge Jun 1, 2020, 7:25 PM

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you go Ehhhhh and thats it

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source: am canadian

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 7:26 PM

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soory

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2020, 7:27 PM

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It's probably better than what us Brits do, which is make increasing more unintelligible British noises until we have a disagreement over something silly like tea

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Oi mate, pass the liquor,

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It's Jack the Ripper, Jack the Rapper,
Followin' you way before the dawn of Twitter

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Chimera's deciphered the code! Run!

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 7:30 PM

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that's from ERB

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Heh

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Ok, that I didn't know since I haven't watched ERB

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 7:31 PM

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They are good

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Jack the ripper vs Hannibal Lector.

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Yep

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 7:31 PM

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i also like Theodore Roosevelt vs Winston Churchill

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There's a Master Chief vs King Leonidas one but its meh

stoic hamlet Jun 1, 2020, 7:32 PM

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It’s hard to tell a Canadian by text

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But I can generally tell when speaking.

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Though it really depends on where one’s from

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Like odds are I could tell if someone was from Ontario or the Maritimes, but I might have trouble if you’re from out west.

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Quebec is easy, of course.

fair hazel Jun 1, 2020, 7:50 PM

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wonder if you could tell if i spoke

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Oh, did you use the speech chat thing?

fair hazel Jun 1, 2020, 8:14 PM

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No, I mean if he heard me speak

timber ridge Jun 1, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Would the swords of sanghelios fight the banished?

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After sending that I realized it sounds dumb

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Yes.

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I was responding to the first message by the way.

timber ridge Jun 1, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Ik

queen otter Jun 1, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Would the swords of sanghelios fight the banished?
@timber ridge I mean. If they were in the circumstance to they would. So yes.

timber ridge Jun 1, 2020, 9:14 PM

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If the banished didnt know the swords fight along side with humans they might not, idk though

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 9:15 PM

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i'm sure the banished are aware of the tentative alliance between the SoS and the UNSC

fair hazel Jun 1, 2020, 9:16 PM

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I'd think they might tend to pick their battles though

near tide Jun 1, 2020, 9:18 PM

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SoS could probably fight the banished and vice versa

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 9:19 PM

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i imagine the SoS has a good amount of ex-Covenant armaments and vehicles at their disposal

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plus factories to make more

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don't think the banished have anything more than what they were able to steal

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Yeah

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2020, 9:21 PM

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The SoS also have people designing new versions of equipment as well, such as the Halo 5 versions of the Ghost, Wraith and Banshee

near tide Jun 1, 2020, 9:21 PM

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And new weapons like the plasma caster

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 9:21 PM

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what benefits have teh SoS gotten from working with the UNSC?

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Forerunner cheatcodes?

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 9:22 PM

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the UNSC got an armor set and a new warthog, but where's the reciprocity?

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2020, 9:22 PM

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The new Fuel Rod Cannon made by human and Sangheili scientists

near tide Jun 1, 2020, 9:22 PM

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and the new Spirit

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2020, 9:22 PM

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And new weapons like the plasma caster
Earlier versions of the Plasma Caster existed during the Human-Covenant War

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 9:23 PM

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what contributions could humans make to what was originally an alien weapon?

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or vehicle?

near tide Jun 1, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Humans could help make better energy shielding for elites

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maybe

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 9:23 PM

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I guess at least more brains to storm

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New perspectives

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 9:23 PM

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human energy shields were originally from Jackal gauntlets

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Really think only thing humanity can offer are knowledge and access to forerunner sites

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 9:24 PM

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which afaik aren't as good as elite shields

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Pretty worthless otherwise

humble yacht Jun 1, 2020, 9:24 PM

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maybe the SoS is giving humanity reparations

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you know, for almost killing them all

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 9:24 PM

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They are

near tide Jun 1, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Weapons of mass destruction maybe

stoic hamlet Jun 1, 2020, 9:24 PM

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I mean, I’d say the benefits are the UNSC calms down their possibly bloodlusted populations.

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 9:25 PM

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There was one thing noted in Fractures that the SoS is involved with reestablishing lost communication in human colonies

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 9:25 PM

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True

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:02 PM

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I wonder if the Sangheili will learn to accept the practice of medicine from seeing how beneficial it is for the humans.

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Many do.

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And many more silly ones are learning to, yes. Judging by Halo 5

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:03 PM

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I should have mentioned that I was mainly referring to the military.

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Even the soldiers in H5 were apprehensive towards medical treatment.

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:03 PM

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Those were hicks

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:04 PM

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What?

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:04 PM

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I'm making a joke that those in Halo 5 were country bumpkins.

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:05 PM

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I still don't know what that means. -_-

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Unsophisticated.

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Oh.

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Would be weird seeing an Elite with a prosthetic limb anyway.

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Poor Orta.

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Is that a known soldier who has one?

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:07 PM

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It's my character. 😉

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Oh...

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I stick to the official stuff.

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Okay.

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Except for Mister Chief, he has a special place for me.

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Anyway, I'm curious to see what a soldier would do with the rest of his life, if he survived a critical injury like that.

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That must be pretty heavy on mental health, especially with their culture in mind.

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:13 PM

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I guess if nothing could be done to get him back into fighting shape, he'd have to get a new occupation

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One that's less...physically active

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:14 PM

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I'd imagine that they would choose an "honourable alternative".

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If you catch my drift.

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Some would go down that road, yes.

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:16 PM

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I'd imagine it would be the ones with higher ranks.

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:16 PM

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If they have higher ranks, they might also figure it'd be a good time to get into politics, since that's around the time they'd usually do so anyway.

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Yeah, I guess it depends on the scenario then.

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Like how they determine the amount of dishonour they have displayed or something. If it's too much then they might not even want to fail the Covenant any further, or what you suggested, if it was not deemed as dishonourable as they may think it to be.

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:20 PM

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Yeah

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:20 PM

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A strange topic indeed.

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:21 PM

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And of course, there are those who don't place much interest in "honor" in the first place.

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Could you give some examples?

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:22 PM

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At least people like Ayit 'Sevi, and guys like Jul, who pretend to be what they're not in order to get what they desire.

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Those two are off the top of my head, but I imagine I can find more if I decide to scour the books (which I really don't feel like doing)

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:23 PM

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I see, thanks.

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I'm used to the common perception of a typical Elite you see.

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Also, I think there was one character from Halo Legends who counts. Unless you were referring to him already?

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:24 PM

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Yeah. Always remember, species ain't a monoculture.

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I don't recall anyone from Legends like that at the moment.

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:25 PM

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I remember a Shipmaster getting angry at someone for being a coward.

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Ah, Thel 'Lodamee

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Or it could have been the other way round.

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 10:25 PM

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His shipmaster Luro was a jerk to him

versed helm Jun 1, 2020, 10:26 PM

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I think it was for disabling life support in several occupied sectors.

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Then one of them fled.

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Can't remember exactly what happened, it's been years since I've watched it.

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 11:06 PM

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Wasnt that no

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He was criticized for going after Halsey and killing a demon rather then die with the rest of his legion

gilded mason Jun 1, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Something like that

terse lava Jun 1, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Luro himself was the one who underestimated the Spartans and tried to scuttle the carrier in an attempt to finally kill them

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 3:37 AM

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What did the Prophets think of Rtas slamming the Minister to the ground during Halo CE?

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And what did they think about the way the Thel and the other Minister interacted with each other?

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 3:39 AM

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What did the Prophets think of Rtas slamming the Minister to the ground during Halo CE?```
They might not have ever found out, considering he died soon afterwards

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 3:39 AM

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What would they have thought if they did?

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 3:40 AM

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I dunno. It'd depend.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Was it a mistake to not go with the plan of the minister or would it have not worked? If it did work, could they all or mostly made it out alive?

timber ridge Jun 2, 2020, 3:50 AM

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This may not mean much but in the mega construx halo infinite table at the ny toy fair the unsc were surrounded by almost completely black covenant wearing the storm armor, could this possibly be yet another covenant remnant?

near tide Jun 2, 2020, 5:15 AM

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where?

timber ridge Jun 2, 2020, 5:43 AM

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https://images.app.goo.gl/ZbhaKURysBgevzxX6

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They already showed off the elites, grunts and the new jackals, they are in the bungie style, but pitch black storms? That's intriguing

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Mega Construx don't have the best track record for making sets based off of the game that they're using on box art for the sets. For example, they made a set for Halo Reach that featured an Elephant despite it not appearing in the game

timber ridge Jun 2, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Ah

meager yarrow Jun 2, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Dont trust the Mega Construx sets for game information

timber ridge Jun 2, 2020, 5:58 AM

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But its still interesting to see pitch black storms

meager yarrow Jun 2, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Yeha

timber ridge Jun 2, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I'm thinking it's just placeholder to show just a huge covenant army

meager yarrow Jun 2, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I guess

timber ridge Jun 2, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Because they show the older grunts

meager yarrow Jun 2, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Im not sure why they do that

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probably for nostalgia

stoic hamlet Jun 2, 2020, 6:53 AM

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It’s likely because they don’t have models ready.

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So they use what they have.

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Miniatures often do this, where they’ll add unpainted models to fill out an army if they don’t have a model ready.

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 8:04 AM

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Ok

blazing dragon Jun 2, 2020, 10:43 AM

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I know this has nothing to do with lore but what would happen if ONI got exposed

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 10:45 AM

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Like their secrets were leaked out? Well, there's a whole bunch of things that'd happen

blazing dragon Jun 2, 2020, 10:46 AM

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Knowing them they will probably somehow lie their way out of it

lethal comet Jun 2, 2020, 11:28 AM

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section zero awakens

ebon mauve Jun 2, 2020, 12:16 PM

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What happened in Hunt the Truth is pretty much exactly what would happen @blazing dragon

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 12:17 PM

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I just finished reading Halo Oblivion. Gotta say, I enjoyed it. Curious as to what is going to happen with everyone who was left behind on the planet at the end

ebon mauve Jun 2, 2020, 12:19 PM

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Nothing good. I'd imagine they are stuck there forever. Maybe they could get rescued after the war 25 years later, but that's assuming they survived that long

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 12:29 PM

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Shadows of Reach was delayed.

lament hornet Jun 2, 2020, 12:51 PM

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October...20th was the new launch date?

obsidian thistle Jun 2, 2020, 12:54 PM

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Yup

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Thats what we at Halopedia could find at least

weary sinew Jun 2, 2020, 12:55 PM

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Sorry Im new to the server. Asking what was Shadows of Reach supposed to be?

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 12:55 PM

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New Halo novel coming out later this year

weary sinew Jun 2, 2020, 12:55 PM

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Oh

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What was the novel supposed to be about?

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Blue Team going to back to Reach in 2559

weary sinew Jun 2, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Oh thats cool

obsidian thistle Jun 2, 2020, 12:58 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Halo:_Shadows_of_Reach

Halopedia

Halo: Shadows of Reach

Halo: Shadows of Reach - A Master Chief Story is an upcoming Halo novel written by Troy Denning, originally set to be released on September 22, 2020 but later delayed to October 20, 2020. It is the fourth installment of the A Master Chief Story project.

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All info we have on it atm.

weary sinew Jun 2, 2020, 1:02 PM

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Also how does Halo Infinite fit into the storyline. Cause he is wearing the Halo 3 armor, he grabbed a Reach Assault Rifle.

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 1:05 PM

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He's not wearing his armour from Halo 3, it's a new suit that was created after Halo 5

weary sinew Jun 2, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Oh... Im big dumb

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whoops

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Hey guys

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 1:17 PM

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@versed helm you don’t need to keep posting spammy things like that

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 2:50 PM

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Yeah dude

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Do the chilllssss

analog perch Jun 2, 2020, 3:05 PM

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Any books about the rookie

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And if so how much character do they give him

lament hornet Jun 2, 2020, 3:06 PM

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New Blood features the rookie

analog perch Jun 2, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Or books dedicated to the rookie

lament hornet Jun 2, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Like I said: New Blood 🙂

analog perch Jun 2, 2020, 3:07 PM

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I see

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Is there any book that focuses on the gravemind

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 3:08 PM

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And only New Blood

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 3:08 PM

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forerunner trilogy

lament hornet Jun 2, 2020, 3:08 PM

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I need to pick that trilogy up. Infact, I want to pick up every novel

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 3:08 PM

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I mean the current one, the one in H 2 and 3

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 3:08 PM

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it's all the same gravemind, pretty much

lament hornet Jun 2, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Yeah. And if you want to be spoiled a little bit: ||Gravemind has the conscience of the Primordial|| so learning as much as you can about him, may change a lot about what you know of the flood, and universe at large.

stoic hamlet Jun 2, 2020, 3:11 PM

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@analog perch Dirt also features the Rookie as a supporting character, to an extent.

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 3:11 PM

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As in the one in H2 and H3?

||Gravemind has the conscience of the Primordial||

lament hornet Jun 2, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Yes 😄

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Thanks.

analog perch Jun 2, 2020, 3:12 PM

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So all flood are the primordial

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 3:12 PM

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no

analog perch Jun 2, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Oh

lament hornet Jun 2, 2020, 3:12 PM

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I don't want to say too much, it's really worth reading into it.

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 3:12 PM

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He said it's just this Gravemind.

analog perch Jun 2, 2020, 3:12 PM

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I see

stoic hamlet Jun 2, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Every Gravemind has the same consciousness.

But they’re not the primordial.

They just have his consciousness.

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At least IIRC

analog perch Jun 2, 2020, 3:13 PM

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What about the proto gravemind in hw2

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 3:13 PM

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proto graveminds aren't fully conscious

analog perch Jun 2, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Interesting

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So did gravemind/primordial die in halo 3

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Or did they survive like guilty spark

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 3:14 PM

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the gravemind itself was eliminated. but it can always make a new body if it gets enough biomass

stoic hamlet Jun 2, 2020, 3:14 PM

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The one we encountered, it seems possible.

But there are others out there.

analog perch Jun 2, 2020, 3:14 PM

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So the flood are eternal

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 3:15 PM

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one flood spore can blah blah blah

stoic hamlet Jun 2, 2020, 3:15 PM

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That’s hyperbole, to be clear

analog perch Jun 2, 2020, 3:15 PM

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I just have many questions

stoic hamlet Jun 2, 2020, 3:15 PM

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I wouldn’t say they’re eternal, just really difficult to truly destroy.

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 3:15 PM

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it just means one spore can restart an outbreak

analog perch Jun 2, 2020, 3:15 PM

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I understand

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Now

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Be well

stoic hamlet Jun 2, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Yeah, but the power Rtas describes isn’t possible.

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Unless the people/things it infects are really oblivious.

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 3:16 PM

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hey, it's possible

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 3:16 PM

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When does he describe this?

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 3:16 PM

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... halo 3

stoic hamlet Jun 2, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Its possible

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But unlikely

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Oh, right.

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I need to replay H3, I didn't bring my Xbox with me.

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 3:17 PM

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unlikely in the real world, but fictional worlds often fall prey to things that we as real people would have the common sense to avoid

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in the real world, it's likely any sort of zombie apocalypse that requires physical transmission would be cut short before it decimated the majority of the population

lament hornet Jun 2, 2020, 3:18 PM

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I was about to ask about a chronological listing of the Halo novels and such, took a look at the pinned comments; Found my answer. CIA did really solid work.

spiral jewel Jun 2, 2020, 3:19 PM

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The one thing that never made sense to me is how the Gravemind physically managed to relocate himself from the belly of Delta Halo to High Charity, unless he's still on Delta Halo, and the Gravemind from H3 is a puppet of sorts... Flood lore is confusing

craggy tusk Jun 2, 2020, 3:20 PM

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neural physics aka space magic

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 3:21 PM

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The gravemind had control of the Halo teleportation grid

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it could literally teleport chunks of itself to HC

limpid meadow Jun 2, 2020, 3:22 PM

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If it could teleport itself, I feel like it would have done so, if only to escape quarantine. But that's my assumption.

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Regardless, it wouldn't really need to teleport itself as once enough biomass was accumulated on High Charity, it could "inhabit" a "new body" in the station.

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 3:24 PM

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in a way, the gravemind was already out of quarantine

spiral jewel Jun 2, 2020, 3:24 PM

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That's probably what happened. (The inhabit a new body part)

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 3:24 PM

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it's tendrils could reach the Temple regret was in, who knows where the main body was located

craggy tusk Jun 2, 2020, 3:26 PM

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to be fair the main body is wherever there is enough flood biomass its not fixed

spiral jewel Jun 2, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Aside from housing the Domain, what other facilities are on Genesis?

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Well, there was the Cryptum facility and Exuberant Witness' "zoo"

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 3:32 PM

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i'm sure it has a cartographer somewhere mapping the major facilities

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probably has some sort of main control facility too

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we likely only saw a small percentage of the faciliities

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Genesis was a possible shield world, if I'm not wrong

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 3:44 PM

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I don't recall there being evidence of it being one

fair hazel Jun 2, 2020, 3:56 PM

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It’s a world to make worlds.

analog perch Jun 2, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Still on

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Was it a mistake to not go with the plan of the minister or would it have not worked? If it did work, could they all or mostly made it out alive?

limpid meadow Jun 2, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Genesis doesn't house the Domain, it's home to a Domain gateway.

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It's primary role is the production of "seed worlds"

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 4:25 PM

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yeah. maethrillian houses the domain, or rather it's core

limpid meadow Jun 2, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Sort of.

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 4:25 PM

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the domain spans the galaxy so it's not housed in any one place

limpid meadow Jun 2, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Yep

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 4:25 PM

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but we've seen that it can be reset from maethrillian so that's likely the most important access point

limpid meadow Jun 2, 2020, 4:25 PM

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You could say Maethrillian's core is the primary connection between our reality and the Domain, though

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 4:26 PM

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sure

limpid meadow Jun 2, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Because there are subtle implications that the Domain wasn't even created by the Precursors, just first accessed by them.

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And what happened in Promises to Keep wasn't really a reset of the Domain itself, but a reset of the connection to it.

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 4:27 PM

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sigh

limpid meadow Jun 2, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Which potentially means the information in the Domain wasn't lost after the reset, just access to that information

fair hazel Jun 2, 2020, 4:28 PM

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I like organon being mentioned in halo 5

limpid meadow Jun 2, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Same

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 4:32 PM

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What does Abbadon look like?

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 4:33 PM

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it probably is not restricted to a single form, but it presented itself to Bornstellar and his team as a gargantuan angelic being

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I have seen some interpretations like that, like a precursor angel or a precursor with wings.

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Oh

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I thought it was the weird tentacle thing

hybrid agate Jun 2, 2020, 6:27 PM

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So, is the covenant gone before Halo 4?

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 6:28 PM

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The Covenant empire fell in Halo 3. In the years since, many splinter groups rose up in the power vacuum that was left behind

hybrid agate Jun 2, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Where's the arbiter during Halo 4?

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 6:30 PM

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On Sanghelios, fighting a civil war

stoic hamlet Jun 2, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Empires don’t fall overnight, remember.

Look at the Roman Empire. When the West fell, the East didn’t go “well, we’re no longer Roman.” They still considered themselves Roman well into the fall of their side of the Empire in 1453.

In the American Revolution those loyalists who had fought for the British Crown didn’t just go “whelp, we lost, guess we aren’t British anymore.” Most of them fled to Canada or other colonial holdings, or Britain herself.

Plenty of other examples to choose from.

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Well, that's what many of the splinter groups claim, they say they are the true Covenant and stuff like that when they really aren't. They're just a small faction clinging onto as much power as they can

stoic hamlet Jun 2, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Yep

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But I’m using those examples to show that them claiming themselves to be Covenant isn’t an illogical thing.

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Ah, I see

stoic hamlet Jun 2, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Because a lot of people just sort of assumed everything was fine and dandy after H3, when logically that just wouldn’t be the case.

I know a lot of people were confused to see the “Covenant” again, and the Elites fighting humans.

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 6:35 PM

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I honestly think that they should've been called something else in Halo 4, just so that there was no confusion like that

stoic hamlet Jun 2, 2020, 6:36 PM

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I mean, I suppose

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But the name does make sense

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Like, I know that many thought they were called the Storm Covenant back in the day but honestly, I think "The Storm" would've been a cool name for a splinter group

hybrid agate Jun 2, 2020, 6:36 PM

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I understood they were a splinter group.

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 6:36 PM

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It also doesn't help that the game completely glossed over it with "A lot can happen in four years."

hybrid agate Jun 2, 2020, 6:36 PM

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But, they didn't really have Jack Diddly.

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What is a composer anyway?

stoic hamlet Jun 2, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Also John being the one to ask about the truce makes no sense.

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But whatever, it’s fine.

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 6:37 PM

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What is a composer anyway?```
A neural physics device that converts biological beings to digital ones.

hybrid agate Jun 2, 2020, 6:43 PM

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...and why would the Didact need that?

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 6:43 PM

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To make Promethean Knights

shy dock Jun 2, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Originally or In the present?

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 6:44 PM

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They explain this in the middle of Halo 4

shy dock Jun 2, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Originally because prometheans cant be infected by the flood

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 6:44 PM

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To both make more Promethean troops, and get rid of humans in a way that's not technically killing them.

shy dock Jun 2, 2020, 6:44 PM

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During the flood war

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So what was the didacts plan for his grand army once he dies? Are there more forerunners out there?

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 6:45 PM

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Yes.

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And I imagine he wants Forerunner supremacy once again, using the Prometheans in part to help facilitate the takeover

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 6:46 PM

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We don’t know for sure there are other forerunners out there or in what capacity

shy dock Jun 2, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Of course

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He thinks only the forerunners are worthy of the mantle

haughty urchin Jun 2, 2020, 6:46 PM

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There were forerunners alive on the Ark after the detonation of the rings

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Afaik

fair hazel Jun 2, 2020, 6:47 PM

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There’s a few forerunners out there.

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The bastion searcher.

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Yes but we don’t know if they’re still around 100,000 years later

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 6:47 PM

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There's also a Builder looking for Bastion in the Halo 5 logs

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 6:47 PM

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The bastion searcher we don’t know if he’s physically alive

fair hazel Jun 2, 2020, 6:47 PM

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He’s a forerunner composed or not

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 6:47 PM

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He could be a pattern essence

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 6:47 PM

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I mean, even if he's digital, that still counts in my book

fair hazel Jun 2, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Catalog too

haughty urchin Jun 2, 2020, 6:48 PM

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I think what I remember reading said those forerunners on the ark left the galaxy

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But this is half remembered wiki knowledge, not sourced

fair hazel Jun 2, 2020, 6:48 PM

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They went on their great journey

hybrid agate Jun 2, 2020, 6:48 PM

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So, why did cortana turn evil?

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Because she's a collection of rampant fragments

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This Cortana has a more corrupted personality than the original. "Remixed" in a way.

hybrid agate Jun 2, 2020, 6:56 PM

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oh.

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Makes sense?

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 7:15 PM

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I bet there's a meme that could explain that

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You know how after 7 years, the AI starts going rampant, right?

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"Thinking" themselves to death?

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So, Cortana fragments herself to help fight the didact

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And then those fragments recombine in the domain

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But the recombination messes her up, somehow

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Basically, the remix is usually worse than the original

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XD

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 7:31 PM

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The fragments were rampant

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They were never gonna recombine into something perfect

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Then you also have to consider how much of her she left behind

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 7:34 PM

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So what did the Hierarchs and the San'Shyuum Councilors think of the dispute between Thel 'Vadam and the Prophet of Stewartship?

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 7:35 PM

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"Man, that stinks...anyway, since you're the only one of the two still alive..."

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2020, 7:35 PM

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"So now we're going to blame you publicly for the the loss of the sacred ring and secretly make you Arbiter"

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 7:38 PM

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"We only do this cause we want you to die, but at least you'll die with honour and all that."

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Also why did Rtas come to have a negative attitude about Thel 'Vadam after the events of Halo CE?

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 7:43 PM

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He was upset.

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 7:45 PM

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At the time Rtas still believed in the journey

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And Thel had been publicly shamed. Can’t blame him for not wanting that baggage on his team

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 7:48 PM

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How did he conclude the destruction of the Ring was Thel's fault?

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Because thel’s fleet was there

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If you are a babysitter and the kid you watch breaks the tv, you think the parents are going to say it wasn’t your fault?

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The ring was thel’s responsibility to protect (in the eyes of the covenant)

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 7:55 PM

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They basically used Thel as a scapegoat.

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No one else with a high rank was left to blame.

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And it benefitted the progress of the Schism.

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By removing one of its most influential and powerful Sangheili leaders from the table.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Why would Rtas' opinion be determined by that and not his experience in working with Thel? Why did he obey the Hierarchs so heavily o at least in regard to Thel and not obey the Minister of Ethiology, when he met him?

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 8:03 PM

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That’s what faith does

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Because he was upset as well. He wanted a scapegoat in his heart.

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Because the Elites were completely indoctrinated into the Covenant, questioning authority was a death sentence.

marsh tusk Jun 2, 2020, 8:03 PM

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The great journey > Thel (in everyone's eyes)

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 8:03 PM

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And as time passed, those feelings in him lessened

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 8:04 PM

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Besides, even friends can make mistakes

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If your friend knocks over your grandma’s ashes, you’re not just gonna forgive them

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 8:04 PM

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Bit of a weird analogy.

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Point is the rings meant a lot to rtas at the time

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Yup

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Rtas changed his opinion after Thel started to prove his worth.

fair hazel Jun 2, 2020, 8:05 PM

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like the forerunner builder said

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'she reassembles, she cures, herself, soon, domain.

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 8:06 PM

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....

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 8:06 PM

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We're a bit beyond that discussion.

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Yea talk about late

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 8:06 PM

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I just find it odd that he obeys the Prophets in Halo 2 and in the events of Halo CE he does not. Why did he not go along with the plan of the Minister of Ethiology, and why did he throw him to the ground if he trusted the Prophets so much?

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Convenience of writing lmao.

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Because even if he doesn't like the actions of some Prophets, he still cares about the faith, as has been previously said

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 8:07 PM

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It’s not about following orders in the case of the destruction of the ring

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It’s about personal feelings

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Ye

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 8:09 PM

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What matters is that Rtas was able to see the truth afterwards.

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No pun intended.

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 8:10 PM

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It helps when the brutes seemingly slaughter your brethren for no reason

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Lmao.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 8:11 PM

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So could the plan the Minister of Ethiology had worked or at least turned out better than the plan Rtas did?

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 8:11 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 8:29 PM

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What is this Minister of Ethiology?

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 8:34 PM

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The Prophet we see in the comic The Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor.

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Oh, was that in The Graphic Novel?

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Yes.

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Yeah, I think that I remember it.

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Rtas killed him, right?

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 8:37 PM

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He appears to get up after being thrown to the ground. The flood kill him when the group separates into two groups.

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 8:38 PM

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Thanks, sir.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Although Rtas did say it would be easy to make it look like the flood killed him when he demanded the command codes. I personally feel that part was not build up the right way, especially with the line considering the Prophets have the most influence in the Covenant and he just throws him to the ground. Along with that the Prophet himself isn't really that bad, considering he only really comes off as caring greatly for his own safety the most but he also notes how his plan would likely keep more of them alive too and while it would take 25 minutes instead of 15, they still had about less than an hour. Rtas was the only survivor and was nearly killed himself by Kusovai when he got infected. I could understand Rtas' criticism more if the Minister lived but he did not, and he got infected. Even then I get the implication he potentially cares about his safety so the flood does not get his knowledge, and he clearly knows more about it than Rtas. I understand it was a serious flood threat but if all of the crew had to die except Rtas why could not they not just let the Minister and the grunts put on their pressure suits then release the oxygen into space, considering more of them might have lived if they did so?Of course they said the controls were destroyed but Rtas again asks if they had pressure suits for elites after he is told that, so there seems to be an implication they could still do so without the elites having suits. The conversation about the pressure suits ends once the Minister states the ship has none for the elites. I understand Rtas likely thought his plan would go better. Rtas' plan showed that the Minister's worries were correctly founded since he and the rest of his group were killed and/or infected. I think for the actions of Rtas to make more sense the Minister could have talked down to them much more, such as stating that their lives did not matter at all, and maybe refuse to give the codes after another retort by Rtas for his plan.

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 9:39 PM

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I guess Rtas really disliked his selfishness.

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It's been a very long time since I read that so I'll need to refresh my memory.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Indeed, although while Rtas saved himself and destroyed the ship 10 minutes earlier than the Prophet would have done, he still lost everyone. I have trouble interpreting one of the lines from the infected prophet but he says that the flood have the command codes that will allow them to leave. I cannot recall if these are the codes they got from the elite or the prophet but if it is from the prophet, then that was one downside to his plan. We don't see how Kusovai, the minister, and the rest of their group are killed but I wonder if Rtas supported them with all the troops if they could have lived.

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 9:45 PM

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They probably got it from the Prophet.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Wait how?

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 9:53 PM

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By compromising his mind, tapping into his knowledge and memories from what I imagine.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 9:55 PM

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I agree. I thought you were saying the Prophet spread the flood to the group when they separated.

near tide Jun 2, 2020, 9:55 PM

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maybe it was spores

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or just flood swarms

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 9:58 PM

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They seem to go back the way they first arrived, I think, as they appear to be a part of the pile we see at the beginning. One elite, one grunt, and the Prophet seem to be the main visible biomass that can be seen as they were originally, other than the rest of the pile of guts.

versed helm Jun 2, 2020, 9:59 PM

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I agree. I thought you were saying the Prophet spread the flood to the group when they separated.
@simple locust No no, I was referring to how they acquired the codes, I should have specified that.

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I think this was made around the time that the Flood cells were a lot more potent than what they are now.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Although the scaling with the infected prophet in the first frame with him is a bit off, as his head is bigger than the body of the elite and the grunt. This is in regard to the picture itself, as his head comes from the pile so from what I can tell his head is far too big but just for the first frame with him. I had to look quite closely to see the elite and grunt.

smoky sparrow Jun 2, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Okay so who is confused use this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/366450987608702988/717499477371650058/unknown.png

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This is for the people from #483759756566069258 btw

safe siren Jun 2, 2020, 10:11 PM

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We were talking about the relation UNSC-ONI and the position of the latter

smoky sparrow Jun 2, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Yeah but like 5 people didn't understand

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@safe siren We are chatting back in #483759756566069258 now

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 10:16 PM

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In general I just find it odd for Prophets to be unarmed while being in positions where they can be attacked and killed by elites before the great schism, without even arousing much suspicion from the San'Shyuum themselves. It seems outside of the games, The Prophet of Inner Conviction, along with many of the San'Shyuum in Halo: Broken Circle seem more capable of holding unto their power by using either force or their technology, especially when they anticipate dissent, instead just remaining helpless against rebellion, dissent, or attacks. It just seems mad to me that some would carry no weapons as a safety measure, considering when don't they are very vulnerable.

safe siren Jun 2, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Truth, or someone else, had a Plasma Pistol under the robe

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Regret had the Plasma Pistol, Truth in game had an SMG, secretly hidden under his robe.

clever fable Jun 2, 2020, 10:23 PM

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I always knew the SMG was a holy weapon of the gods.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 10:25 PM

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I'm generally referring to Prophets usually ranked lower than councilors, as during the human-covenant war a number of them seem unarmed in vulnerable positions, such as that one Prophet killed by two elites in Halo: Silent Storm and with the Minister in the Infinite Succor, although at least that is somewhat more understandable as it is for food and hunting but still why could a highly valued prophet not even get a plasma pistol?

clever fable Jun 2, 2020, 10:25 PM

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"Is that an M7 Caseless SMG in your robes, or are you just happy to see me?" ~Arbiter to Prophet of Truth, 2552

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Not sure if it is canon though, however it is still cool.

clever fable Jun 2, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Depending on how old/experienced the particular san'shyuum is, I'd imagine there would be cultural elements at play in their mind as to how comfortable they are in not carrying weapons around those beneath them.

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Logically they should probably be carrying around something for self defence, but logic isn't always what a sentient brain goes with.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 10:31 PM

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That's why I find it odd that the San'Shyuum in Halo: Silent Storm who talked down to the elites had no weapons, when asked to stop had no weapons. It honestly seems like most of them with chairs should have some shields, and some weaponry. I mean I understand what they have may not be as good as what the Hierarchs have but it should at least be more than what elites and brutes have.

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Or at least the ones around them.

clever fable Jun 2, 2020, 10:36 PM

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Probably. It's been a bit since I listened to Silent Storm, I might go back and listen to it again. I end up missing details more often than not when using audiobooks. I just always go back to them for the convience though.

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Do you recall if any of the san'shyuum in Broken Circle carry more weapons?

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Or is it usually just one weapon per person?

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Covenant Canon did still frame summary of it from the perspective of the elites. He has images from the story, such as the Prophet, elites, and other structures.

clever fable Jun 2, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Never paid much attention to that channel, but I know who you mean. I'll give it a looksee.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 10:39 PM

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Also are you referring to how many weapons at a time a San'Shyuum can carry or what types of weapons they have used?

clever fable Jun 2, 2020, 10:40 PM

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Just like, what their total kit might be. Regret had those cannons on his chair, but that wouldn't stop him from carrying a pistol or two I'd imagine.

last anchor Jun 2, 2020, 10:42 PM

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I mean he had a plasma pistol on hand during Contact Harvest

clever fable Jun 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Are regret's cannons the only time the chair-bound guys haven't used light arms then?

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 10:50 PM

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I know the Stewarts (the San'Shyuum seen with regret in the terminals and 2 sections of Broken Circle) carried Pulse Rifles, Mken had chair weaponry but I recall later he used a plasma pistol after it was disabled, Captain Vervum (the San'Shyuum who betrays Mken) has only chair weaponry, Mleer is a gunner but does not appear to bring any weapons while off the ship, and the Stoic San'Shyuum appear to only crude projectile rifles and lock-on rockets. The Stoics rode Folasteeds and the San'Shyuum females rode an Ilpdor, both who which could be used to attack enemies. Also in Halo 3, Truth uses a Spiker and in The Return a San'Shyuum uses a plasma pistol.

clever fable Jun 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Hefty armory right there.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Also a halo 2 drawing (concept I think) shows a San'Shyuum using a blade against an elite.

clever fable Jun 2, 2020, 10:52 PM

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On note of concept art, I really liked the look of how ancient San'Shyuum were drawn. I'd like to see that aesthetic explored more later on. They look nice when they aren't decrepit.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Also Prelates used modified plasma rifles and used their hard-light gauntlets as melee weapons, as well as a shield.

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Do you mean the ones in the terminals?

clever fable Jun 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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I don't rememeber if they ever made it into the terminals, but I know they were meant for H2A's terminals.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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I yeah I know which ones you are talking about, the ones where some have green armor?

clever fable Jun 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/32UigCf.jpg

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Those ones.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 10:57 PM

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Yes those are the ones, although they do still look very similar to the ones seen in the terminal with the war between them and the elites.

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 10:58 PM

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They were there, yeah

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https://youtu.be/WIWnxqf4O6Q?t=561

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This terminal has them

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As well as a modern San'Shyuum that can stand upright

clever fable Jun 2, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Yeah, that right there looks way nicer than the chair-bound ones imo.

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Similarly I wish we had more Prelates around.

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

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The heads for them still look very similar, they just seem to have either straighter and/or shorter necks.

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Oh yeah Prelates need to eventually be in a game. They were mentioned since Halo 2, so it is fully legitimate to have them be enemies.

gilded mason Jun 2, 2020, 11:02 PM

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I'd personally enjoy having them as allies.

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(If there's even a sizeable portion left)

simple locust Jun 2, 2020, 11:03 PM

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That would be cool too, although both would be pretty neat too, such as having the one we have seen before be enemies and have ones with helmets like the ancient humans be our allies.

jolly furnace Jun 2, 2020, 11:15 PM

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So anyone see Installation 00's AH ship theory video? I personally don't think that AH ship or any AH tech will a play a role in H6 or beyond

clever fable Jun 2, 2020, 11:23 PM

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I doubt it will come back in future content, but if it did I'd enjoy having it be out of focus. Something we really only get rumors of in data drops or the like. Let us know some ONI spooks are taking it on a journey, but not revealing too quickly what exactly it is they might be doing.

jolly furnace Jun 2, 2020, 11:24 PM

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Studying it in secret no doubt

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Trying to unlock its wonders

hybrid agate Jun 2, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Ok. Installiation 0 is the ark, right?

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 11:48 PM

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The Lesser Ark, yes

hybrid agate Jun 2, 2020, 11:56 PM

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there's another one?

humble yacht Jun 2, 2020, 11:57 PM

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There was

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Long ago

past olive Jun 3, 2020, 12:07 AM

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The greater ark

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The better one

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Was destroyed

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Installation 07 is the only ring made from the greater ark I believe

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 12:08 AM

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The only one remaining

past olive Jun 3, 2020, 12:08 AM

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It's 3 times larger than the other Halo's

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 12:09 AM

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Not anymore

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 12:09 AM

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It used to be larger

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 12:09 AM

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It’s currently in line with the size of the other halos

past olive Jun 3, 2020, 12:30 AM

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how does a Halo just shrink

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man, zeta Halo doesn't seem as cool as it used to cause I learned all this cool stuff about it but then I learned that all the cool stuff about it is no longer true in the present

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it used to be one of the biggest flood containment facilities ever

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now there's like, no flood there

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it used to be 3x larger than the other Halo's or even larger than that, not anymore

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there's other stuff I think but those 2 were the major ones

feral perch Jun 3, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Zeta Halo was damaged, and the damaged sections were discarded, thus helping to bring it in line with the newer Halos

ember blade Jun 3, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Plus I'm sure there's still plenty that can be learned on that ring because of its history.

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 1:04 AM

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I think it’s more impressive that a ring could discard 2/3 of its volume and still form a perfect circle

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2020, 1:21 AM

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The volume could have been more subsystems and structure, not necessarily overall shape.

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 1:22 AM

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If you take a ring and cut out parts and then try to join the new ends back together, you end up with an oblong, not a circle

last anchor Jun 3, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Halos are partially hard light so

limpid meadow Jun 3, 2020, 2:57 AM

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The original Halos were designed to be able to reduce their size and retain their shape and functionality.

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 2:57 AM

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I’m not saying it’s not possible, I’m saying it’s impressive

simple locust Jun 3, 2020, 4:05 AM

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Also what are the flood creatures in the Infinite Succor that appear to mix and match different organism parts, such as one creature with 7 or so heads?

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And in general are the tentacle things the same as the ones seen in Halo Wars or are they different? At certain points some appear to be a mixture of tentacles with a mouth, and it has flesh connecting all of it.

terse lava Jun 3, 2020, 5:29 AM

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The flood combat forms are not fully limited by their host body. The flood can merge and mutate hosts to form various new horrors. We see 'Kusovai continue to mutate over the course of his duel with Rtas.

last anchor Jun 3, 2020, 6:39 AM

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The FSC is mutable, adaptable. Fully flexible in its form and extension.
Biomass it is given access too is fully reconfigurable into whatever thing is needed.

broken oxide Jun 3, 2020, 6:46 AM

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was it ever said what material are used on forunner constructs?

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 6:46 AM

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"Smartmatter"

broken oxide Jun 3, 2020, 6:46 AM

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welp

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makes sense

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 7:17 AM

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Will we ever understand the full capabilities of Neural Physics?

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Cause some of what it can do is freaky as yoink

carmine sleet Jun 3, 2020, 7:34 AM

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I hope we don't, it ain't something that's needed to be fully understood

terse lava Jun 3, 2020, 7:41 AM

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That stuff is.literal space magic, there's no understanding to that. It's like trying to figure out what happens in a black hole

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:04 AM

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@simple locust I'll probably read through the story again and get back to you.

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Like how the star roads cracked and shrank the planet Uthera

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But the Attack on the Zeta Hydronis Secundus system was the freakiest thing that i ever read

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Like someone explain to me the whole filaments buried beneath reality thing

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Like how was that even possible?

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Neural physics, mi amigo.

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Neural physics

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Yep

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I do wonder,there was a part in i think Cryptum that said that during the Human-Forerunner wars,humanity and the san'shyuum developed weapons that the Ur-Didact and his warrior-servants had no effective defense against

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What kind of weapons were they?

cursive pelican Jun 3, 2020, 9:43 AM

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I have a question, canonically, what would be the UNSC equivalent of elite or brute in the human-covenant war? To be exact, their versions of regular infantry, minors and mayors. PS: If my English is very bad, it is because I use a translator, I am Spanish.

lethal comet Jun 3, 2020, 9:47 AM

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In terms of skill and strength,ODST would be equivalent of lower ranking sangheili and brutes would be like unarmored spartans, IMO.

fair hazel Jun 3, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Ewuivaent of elite or brith is spartan

cursive pelican Jun 3, 2020, 9:52 AM

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In terms of skill and strength,ODST would be equivalent of lower ranking sangheili and brutes would be like unarmored spartans, IMO.
@lethal comet Are you sure that the equivalent of a brute would be an Spartan without armor? Keep in mind the Spartans have reflections on humans and their tactics are better than brutes.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 10:16 AM

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I'd say the equivalent for an ODST is a Jackal.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 10:35 AM

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Think they're a bit more skilled than that, most Jackal's, more specifically Shield Jackals aren't very biologically ideal for their roles

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Them being on par with Minor Elites sounds more likely

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They don't have energy shields, the same level of strength and agility as the Elite Minors.

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ODST's or Jackals?

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ODSTs.

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I mean even for both strength is a million % a no
A standard Elite is as strong as a Spartan out of Mjolnir, they just aren't as fast nor have the obsured pushing force

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ODST has no chance at matching strength

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But still more agile and have more advanced combat gear than ODSTs.

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ODST's normally have numbers
The reason i say "Minor Elites" is because they're normally alone with a few grunts and Jackal's
They don't seemed to get paired with other Elites until after the Human-covenant war

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Okay, but they're still superior than ODSTs.

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Well yeah obviously

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So they're not an equivalent then.

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Well alone they're not
they're barely alone

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So what you're saying is that a squad of ODSTs are equal to an Elite Minor?

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Ye

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I guess, but that's because they outnumber the Elite.

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With more weaponry and equipment lol.

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All of the classes have different attributes in Halo, but I think there are very few "equals".

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 10:58 AM

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What am I thinking of were like 6 marines jump on an Elite and kill it?

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That happened in something right?

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 10:58 AM

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You're probably thinking of the cut cutscene from H2.

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That was a squad of ODSTs.

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 10:59 AM

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Day at the Beach?

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 11:00 AM

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Yeah.

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 11:00 AM

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No, I think it was something else, I distinctly remember a lot of stabbing

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I may've made this up by mistake

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 11:04 AM

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Nah, I probably haven't seen it.

bright briar Jun 3, 2020, 11:06 AM

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Maybe you're thinking of the end of NMPD HQ in ODST, when Alpha Nine are fighting the Chieftain? That's pretty similar.

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Yeah I'm thinking ODST, no idea how I forgot it was that

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Thanks EmpyFlippy/TE3461!

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If that is your real name

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Lmao.

bright briar Jun 3, 2020, 1:37 PM

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If that is your real name
EmpyFlippy/TE3461#7299 is my middle name, .

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 1:37 PM

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postums

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 2:40 PM

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I only just learned that the other two Elites in the H3 campaign have canon backstories

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 2:40 PM

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yep

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 2:41 PM

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I only just learned that the other two Elites in the H3 campaign have canon backstories
@haughty urchin Yes, they're in Hunters in the Dark.

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The book is alright, it covers some interesting things about how the humans and Sangheili "co-operate" in missions.

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 2:43 PM

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I'm guessing this """"""co-operation"""""" isn't great

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 2:43 PM

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They just weren't diplomatic at all.

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Do you care about spoilers?

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Not especially

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I tend to enjoy media if the execution is great even if I know the plot twists

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 2:45 PM

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Okay, so they discover that another Ring is being activated.

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The UNSC wants to prepare before entering a portal to it, the Elites provide an Engineer who worked on activating the portal.

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The Elites then technically take several personnel (including two Spartans and a high ranking officer) by hostage and take them into the portal.

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They didn't want to waste time.

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They were very underprepared because they only entered with one corvette.

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They were ambushed by like 3 Retrievers and almost died lmao.

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 2:48 PM

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What silly aliens

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Lol, I can understand their logic.

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They didn't know how long was left before the Ring would activate.

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Retrievers are so big in lore, but so small in-game

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I hope they make a return to Infinite, it'd be a cool boss to fight.

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Is the flood outbreak on Delta Halo ever visited or explained?

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 3:05 PM

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it's been sterilized

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after H3, the SoS went to delta halo and glassed away the flood

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 3:06 PM

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I mean like, how it happened 97,000 years ago

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 3:07 PM

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He just told you what happened.

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 3:13 PM

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the outbreak on Delta Halo originally occurred due to Penitent Tangent being lazy and not performing regular checks

jolly furnace Jun 3, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Yeah basicallly

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Nothing else but that based on current data

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Wuat

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Elite I was talking about the past, chimera explained after H3

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And coolio

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Ah, right.

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My bad sorry.

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 3:57 PM

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It's all gravy

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 4:02 PM

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menke

radiant tapir Jun 3, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Grunt go boom yay

vagrant bolt Jun 3, 2020, 6:09 PM

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racist im an unngoy

vagrant bolt Jun 3, 2020, 7:40 PM

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/@:l/

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:11 PM

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I think I came to some sort of understanding about the H4 elite designs today. They’re meant to look much more rag-tag and piratey aren’t they?

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:11 PM

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They looked like hunchback witches to me.

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:14 PM

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I mean I never disliked their redesign but the thing that I’ve heard is that “they look more brutish and less honorable and noble” and all things considered I think that makes sense given the fact that the covenant got delettoed.

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:14 PM

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I think I came to some sort of understanding about the H4 elite designs today.
Their design works when they're solely some dehumanized enemy, yeah. The issue comes when we have a good amount of Elite protagonists and allies, at which point there's a pretty big disconnect.

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They can no longer work as some monstrous force when we've gotten "inside their head" so to speak.

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Like this ain’t a dude who’s sworn his pride and honor to a higher purpose. This is a dude who lost his job and is about to beat you senseless for a meal ticket.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/205513026336587777/717830675998179420/image0.png

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:15 PM

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well, yeah.
Jul and his elites looking more "piratey" kinda makes sense, but the Arbiter and his elites are more "noble" than ever.

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They're great designs for the Brutes.

queen otter Jun 3, 2020, 8:16 PM

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They looked like hunchback witches to me.
@versed helm I mean the hunch wasn’t much different than halo 3

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Partly why I love the CE design. Less of a hunch.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:16 PM

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You didn't notice the hunch in 3, you sure as hell do in 5.

queen otter Jun 3, 2020, 8:17 PM

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If you compare pics of them you can see there isn’t really a difference. They both looked like hunchbacks in combat.

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You didn't notice the hunch in 3, you sure as hell do in 5.
@versed helm look up a picture of halo 3 elite and see if you can tell if there’s a hunchback.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:18 PM

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I'd say the hunched posture was pretty noticeable in H3, it was the way they composed themselves. They didn't have to wade around like giants when they took a stroll. @versed helm

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So they have a lower profile and come across as more "noble" and "agile".

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:19 PM

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What's weird is that they were still fairly nimble in gameplay. But cutscenes really dropped the ball in that aspect.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Lmao.

queen otter Jun 3, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Elites always look hunched in combat but for some reason in halo 5 they are always like that.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:19 PM

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I always remember that one who literally had to wade around in H5.

queen otter Jun 3, 2020, 8:19 PM

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From what I remember

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:19 PM

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I'd say the hunched posture was pretty noticeable in H3, it was the way they composed themselves. They didn't have to wade around like giants when they took a stroll. @versed helm
@versed helm

Yeah,,,,,,,unlike Halo 5

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:19 PM

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look up a picture of halo 3 elite and see if you can tell if there’s a hunchback.
Literally the first pic on google for "Halo 3 Elite"
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/c/c2/N'tho_'Sraom.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120212135653

shy cedar Jun 3, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Ok so consider

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All of RVB is canon

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Nah.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Ok.

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And?

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I think he's referring to the resting pose. @craggy sierra

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Wait are you going to talk about how AIs work in RvB.

queen otter Jun 3, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Nah you can just see while they are aiming they are extremely hunched Waffle

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:21 PM

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The meta stages?

shy cedar Jun 3, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Imagine hearing references to the disasterous project Freelancer and the civil war on chorus in halo infinit

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Yeah, the aiming poses are really stressed by the Elites themselves.

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That would be a cool fan service, yes.

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:21 PM

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I'd just roll my eyes.

shy cedar Jun 3, 2020, 8:21 PM

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That’s really all I’m saying, there’s not too much that doesn’t fit in

queen otter Jun 3, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Honestly I don’t know how they do it. Seems like it would hurt to actually aim while hunched over that much.

shy cedar Jun 3, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Oh don’t be such a spoilsport, silly

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:22 PM

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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/07/97/22/079722f4df72f73b01cd416380f3f951.jpg

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:22 PM

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I'm gonna spoil everything, and you can't stop me.

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Looking at this I don't think it's their posture. It's just their armour. His head seems to be exactly where it was in H3
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/1/15/H4-GekLhar-ScanRender.png/revision/latest?cb=20130924012346&path-prefix=es

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:22 PM

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I'd say this is a good reference image.

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I won't realy have a problem with any kind of RvB reference.

queen otter Jun 3, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Did they have a RvB reference in halo 5?

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Think so.

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If they did then I don't know.

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I believe that RvB canonically exists as a TV show in Halo's universe, the events that unfold are fictional.

queen otter Jun 3, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Where’s this coming from?

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If so that’s really interesting

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Anyways my original point is I think given the circumstance and group we were fighting in H4 it makes sense that the elites in question would come across as less prideful and more thuggish.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:25 PM

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yeah i guess you could say that and maybe that's true to some extent.

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But.

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@queen otter I think so, I know it is canonically not part of the events that occur in Halo's timeline. I just based the TV show thing off of logic.

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Yeah uh

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Likr

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The arbiter

queen otter Jun 3, 2020, 8:27 PM

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I thought you said RvB was a canon tv show in the halo universe.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:27 PM

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They changed the design for the Arbiter, which was silly.

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He is more ,"prideful" than ever now.

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I thought you said RvB was a canon tv show in the halo universe.
I said that "I believe" it.

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:27 PM

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I'd say I like it as far as details go. It shows that there's sections of elites jaded with their own culture and ideals and that not every single one of them is always honorable and prideful to a fault.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:27 PM

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But his design is same as Jul and his elites aka the "thugs"

queen otter Jun 3, 2020, 8:27 PM

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I said that "I believe" it.
@versed helm ...

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:28 PM

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I don't remember brutes havin' them lanky twink arms.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Well, you did ask.

queen otter Jun 3, 2020, 8:28 PM

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🤦‍♂️

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:29 PM

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I personally think the H4 and H5 Elites were a downgrade, that's all I have to say on the matter.

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Yeah I never really saw the need for a redesign.

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:30 PM

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I mean the faces in 5 are...odd. I will say that but in 4 I'd say they fit the setting and context fine.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:30 PM

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but then im not a fan of pretty much all the changes in the art style so.

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Yeah, for that... style...

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:31 PM

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That and the storm covenant being closer to space bandits than an actually well funded and backed faction.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:32 PM

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I viewed it as a "Neo-Covenant".

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:32 PM

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(Though bandits that were still a huge threat to the UNSC)

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Neo usually means a new and shiny upgrade, ain't nothing new and shiny about those guys.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:32 PM

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The armour and design lol.

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Neo New Nova Covenant

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:33 PM

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delet this

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Including the gear, it was hardly worn unlike the Banished's gear.

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Petition for the Arbiter to have a black armour in Infinite

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and not gold

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That's if he is even in the game.

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Wasn't the entire point of that that it was a leader's armour? The dude's allowed to change armour after 5 years.

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Petition for the Arbiter to have a black armour in Infinite```
Magenta or bust

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:34 PM

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hot pink or bust tbh

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:34 PM

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It'll be extremely stupid to not include him, and even more to not include Osiris.

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This is why we can't have nice things.

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I hope to God that Fireteam Osiris is not in HI.

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:35 PM

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It'll be extremely stupid to not include him, and even more to not include Osiris.```
I'd say it'd be more silly to not include Thel. Osiris is just another team of SIVs, but Thel is one of the main alien characters.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:36 PM

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well that would be kinda dumb since we played as them for like 80 percent of the game

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People didn't really like Fireteam Osiris, that was the general consensus.

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so yes, they just have to be included WITH BETTER DIALOGUE WRITING AND CHARACTER rather than them being carboard cutouts

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So they wouldn't really care if they are absent.

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I don't think that we'll see them to be honest, those are just thoughts though.

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:38 PM

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They might have a second wind eventually but idk how much Infinite's story will have need for their involvement yet

queen otter Jun 3, 2020, 8:38 PM

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I hope to God that Fireteam Osiris is not in HI.
@versed helm I mean they’ve stated there will be no new playable characters so it’s a possibility we could play as Locke

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Okay, it could also imply that we don't play as anyone else other than Chief, we simply don't know at this stage. @queen otter

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i mean, we don't know if we'll see anybody from Infinity.
Like all the characters we KNOW are in the game are Chief and Cortana and that's pretty obvious.
and then we have the pilot. But that's it.

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He has a nickname you know. ;-;

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It's Brohammer.

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Those will actually be the only characters in the game

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:40 PM

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I refuse to call him brohammer.

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:40 PM

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As soon as that cutscene ends, the next scene is John destroying Cortana. Then it ends.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Huh.

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Meh, I hope that Brohammer has a bigger role.

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:41 PM

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I prefer Dustin E. Chos

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:41 PM

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maybe he will, maybe not.
Kinda feels like he does.

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Apparently Roland's VA said he hasn't been called in to reprise his role yet so the Infinity's AI is looking to be a questionable inclusion still.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:41 PM

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I like Roland's design.

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Wouldn't be surprised if that included the whole of the Infinity either

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Has the voice actor for Thomas Lasky said anything?

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I don't know how exactly will Infinity play a role, even if they are included

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AND I SWEAR IF BLUE TEAM ISNT IN THE GAME THEN ILL BE VERY. VERY. VERY. ANGRY.

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:43 PM

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I doubt it. I think Voice Actors are usually under contract to not say what they're currently doing work for. Nothing to say they can't say what they aren't doing work for though.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:43 PM

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Is Cadmon Lasky still alive?

fair hazel Jun 3, 2020, 8:44 PM

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he died a long itme ago

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Ah.

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Thanks.

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So uh

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Blue team

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I have never cared for Blue Team.

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:44 PM

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I doubt it.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:44 PM

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f.

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:44 PM

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They were mostly there to be co-op characters

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Which is bad.

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They're alright in the expanded books but I never found them to be interesting.

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:46 PM

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I mean the possibility of an appearance isn't impossible but I doubt they're going to tag along and be buddy buddy with chief for the full game

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Wait, do we know if Infinity met up with Blue Team and Halsey?

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Well, hopefully we'll understand what will happen more with the gameplay reveal.

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Wait, do we know if Infinity met up with Blue Team and Halsey?```
Yes.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Who retired from Buck's squad again?

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Bad Blood goes into it

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Who retired from Buck's squad again?```
Dutch retired for a bit, but came back after Halo 5.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:50 PM

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He didn't become a Spartan 4, right?

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 8:51 PM

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He did

queen otter Jun 3, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Okay, it could also imply that we don't play as anyone else other than Chief, we simply don't know at this stage. @queen otter
@versed helm thats not what they said. If that’s what they meant that’s what they would have said.

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Man, I wish they didn't just do that with the squad from ODST.

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It would be nice to see some familiar faces from ODST without any augments.

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Last I checked being augmented doesn't change your character

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Okay? I never said that it changed their character.

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Then there's no harm in them being augmented

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Case closed

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 9:15 PM

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For you.

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Not for me.

simple locust Jun 3, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Besides hunters, do any units use metal shields?

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Chief when he falls from space 😎

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Serious answer I'm not sure

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 9:24 PM

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I think some Chieftains do.

near tide Jun 3, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Some chieftans have metal arm shields

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Although shields aren't effective because plasma will burn right through most metal

craggy sierra Jun 3, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Well guess what weapons most of humanity doesn't use

near tide Jun 3, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Either way the covenant had already created a lot of their armor and weapons before discovering humanity

simple locust Jun 3, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Did anyone in-universe, alien faction at any point in its history ever use metal shields?

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Probably, in their primitive stages though.

near tide Jun 3, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Hunters technically

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Does anyone feel like armor lock isn't canonically possible?

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 9:36 PM

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No, I can see how it could work.

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I could also see how it couldn't work.

near tide Jun 3, 2020, 9:36 PM

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But as strong as it is in reach

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You can survive getting a tank dropped on you

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 9:37 PM

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No, not as strong.

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We don't really have confirmation on how strong the shielding is.

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Because it messes with which difficulty is canon.

clever fable Jun 3, 2020, 9:38 PM

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I dont think any difficulty is intended to be canon. Just heroic is considered "the way it's meant to be played" originally.

carmine sleet Jun 3, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Aye, I know many mistake that sentence as being "Heroic is canon!" when that's clearly not what it means at all

clever fable Jun 3, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Marking a particular difficulty as canon gets you into weird game mechanic arguments, and next thing you know UNSC marines are canonically taking needler rounds to the face without issue.

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 9:45 PM

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It's that level of granularity that normally just results in unhappy conclusions

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Best not to dwell on which difficulty is 'canon'

simple locust Jun 3, 2020, 9:46 PM

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I understand damage output in game and in canon are different, as plasma is said to be outright better at damage in every way in the books but in game there is a difference based on the shields and armor, depending on if either a plasma weapon or projectile weapon is fire. Plasma does full damage of shields and .71 on non-shield health, projectiles d full on armor and flesh, then .71 for shields.

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Unfortunately, some aspects of a video game must fall under the concession that it is, a videogame and not a story Chief is retelling while waiting for the bus

simple locust Jun 3, 2020, 9:47 PM

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How do Promethean weapons deal damage when compared to plasma and projectiles? How do lasers, like the spartan laser, vary as well.

near tide Jun 3, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Promethean stuff is like stronger lasers maybe?

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Spartan laser is a almost like a smaller scale covenant 'sniper ship"

haughty urchin Jun 3, 2020, 9:49 PM

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I mean, if you're talking the science behind it, laser weapons deal damage based off of E=hv

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The energy of a laser is equal to plancks constant, multiplied by the frequency of the emitted electromagnetic wave

simple locust Jun 3, 2020, 9:50 PM

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I mean for gameplay, what percentage of damage for the shot is done for armor and shields, such as how plasma does full damage on shields and projectiles do full damage for non-shields,

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Promethean weapons utilize hard light and/or antimatter

clever fable Jun 3, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Is the antimatter wrapped up in something so it doesn't just annihilate in the air?

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 9:59 PM

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The Binary Rifle fires hard light rounds with an antimatter core

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so I imagine the antimatter is released once the round makes impact

near tide Jun 3, 2020, 10:00 PM

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That's why

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 10:00 PM

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i guess the H5 version turns the rounds into beams

near tide Jun 3, 2020, 10:00 PM

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actually the antimatter must be stabilized somehow

clever fable Jun 3, 2020, 10:00 PM

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How does it keep all of that energy inside the target instead of exploding outward?

near tide Jun 3, 2020, 10:00 PM

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or weaker

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It uses ionized particles

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not antimatter

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 10:01 PM

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ionized particle beam containing jacketed antimatter

near tide Jun 3, 2020, 10:01 PM

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But if it was legit antimatter

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it would be extremeley explosive

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 10:02 PM

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well that's why it's sci-fi

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it takes some liberties with science

clever fable Jun 3, 2020, 10:03 PM

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There's got to be something else going on there, because targets disintegrating doesn't make much sense if anti-matter is what's being delivered.

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 10:03 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/weapons/binary-rifle

Halo Waypoint

Binary Rifle

Long-range threat-neutralization system employed by Promethean forces.

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read for yourself

clever fable Jun 3, 2020, 10:04 PM

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I'm not saying that anti-matter isn't part of the system, just that something else isn't being explained.

smoky sparrow Jun 3, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Forunner weapons are pretty interesting menke

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 10:04 PM

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there's plenty of unexplained aspects of how weapons in Halo work. especially when it comes to forerunner stuff

clever fable Jun 3, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Like it's a good mechanism for getting rid of a target, but how it's being so confined should be elaborated on.

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 10:05 PM

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we still don't know how needlers home

clever fable Jun 3, 2020, 10:05 PM

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I know that, doesn't mean I don't want something to be elaborated on. I think you're taking this to mean that I consider it to be a problem or error, I'm just saying that I want some more info.

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 10:08 PM

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ultimately trying to apply real science to Halo always ends in futility, because at some point it breaks away from reality in just about every aspect. In the real world, we don't even know how antimatter would react with photons, since photons share properties of particles and waves, so maybe hard light ends up being a suitable container

clever fable Jun 3, 2020, 10:09 PM

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I'm not really asking for real world physics to be applied, I'm already accepting that anti-matter is being jacketed by ionized particles.

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 10:10 PM

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technically the halopedia article doesn't cite the waypoint entry quite accurately

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waypoint article (which would have been written by someone at 343) says it uses hardlight-jacketed antiparticle beams, which would be different from particle beams containing antimatter

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but halopedia is curated by fans so sometimes errors occur

clever fable Jun 3, 2020, 10:12 PM

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aren't antiparticles antimatter?

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 10:12 PM

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there could be a functional difference in the case of halo, we don't know

clever fable Jun 3, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Whatever the difference is, I hope I get a technobabble summary for why things get disintegrated and not explode. All I want. thinkingchief

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Is this for Promethean weaponry?

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 10:31 PM

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one particular weapon, yes

versed helm Jun 3, 2020, 10:32 PM

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Just seems like a really hot beam lmao.

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That spreads across the body.

craggy tusk Jun 3, 2020, 11:14 PM

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is it true that the forerunners destroyed other universes to power their empire?

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Yes. They take the power of fledging universes’ big bangs, ending the universes before they could really begin in earnest.

craggy tusk Jun 3, 2020, 11:17 PM

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well there is another reason the precursers choose humanity for the mantle

fair hazel Jun 3, 2020, 11:25 PM

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i dont think the forerunners primitvely launch antimatter particles like crudgles

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more like scapels but, yeah with their tech they likely make it so that its effect dont go uncheked

craggy tusk Jun 3, 2020, 11:30 PM

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crazy theory time

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the precursers are still around, they have already resurfaced. think about it, why is the domain suddenly active, what truly happened when cortana went inside it?

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 11:35 PM

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why is the domain suddenly active
Because the surviving Forerunners rebooted it after the array fired.

craggy tusk Jun 3, 2020, 11:36 PM

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then why was didact unable to use it for 100000 years

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from what I understand the reboot started a "healing" process to the domain

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Because while it was rebooted, it wasn't restored to its former glory.

craggy tusk Jun 3, 2020, 11:37 PM

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I must be misremembering

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I thought there was something in halo 5 the domain suddenly regaining its power

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Don't think so.

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 11:38 PM

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not suddenly

craggy tusk Jun 3, 2020, 11:38 PM

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then where did i hear this

gilded mason Jun 3, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Other fans that misremembered?

humble yacht Jun 3, 2020, 11:38 PM

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all we know is that by the time cortana encountered the Domain, it was in a state that it could heal her rampancy

ebon mauve Jun 3, 2020, 11:40 PM

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The domain was "repaired" in some manner in Promises to Keep, but we don't know to what extent. We know the didact was basically severed from the domain throughout his entire time in the cryptum

craggy tusk Jun 3, 2020, 11:40 PM

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idk then I was watching a video by installation 00 and he brought up the point of how else could the domain recover if not for the precursers

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and i thought there was something in halo 5 about it

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maybe some contradiction im unaware of