A horror game based off of the covenants invasion of a planet
#lore-and-universe
knotty silo
limpid meadow
YES!
knotty silo
Like imagine you’re a human trying to escape an elite or sumn
Because elites are 7 feet tall and very strong
That would be absolutely horrifying
Because I remember in the forward unto dawn movie an elite came into Laskys dorm area and began killing off his classmates
Wish we could get that in a triple a game
jolly furnace
That be nice
Heck I wan an ancient human horror story of early flood encounters
The whole Flood cult/abduction thing
knotty silo
That’d be interesting
I wouldn’t want 343 to make it tho
Actually idk
It depends on how they perform with infinite
knotty silo
That could be good
jolly furnace
Yes it would be
But i dont think gameplay could do the scale and power of both factions justice
knotty silo
Yo it would have a really big tradegy tho if they set it during the right time
knotty silo
Or when the forerunners realize ah was running from a greater threat-
Then you could have a second game focusing on the forerunner flood war
Then the third could be about the rings and them firing
Idk
jolly furnace
I dont we get games based on the Forerunner flood war
as its covered extensively in Forerunner Saga
jolly furnace
Its done to show that characters can die outside games
knotty silo
Well yeah of course but rook was a fan favourite
jolly furnace
Also his death was the what moved the plot
knotty silo
Yeah ig
jolly furnace
Yeah I liked rookie
knotty silo
Odst was one of my favourite games and seeing 343 just kill him off like that was a slap in the face
But that’s just my two cents
fair hazel
for a non character, its like. eh
knotty silo
Yeah....
violet iron
what would you guys rather have flood horror game with ancient humans or a silent shadow game
limpid meadow
Horror game
versed helm
I'd rather a flood game with normal humans or Elites
limpid meadow
What I'd really like is an RTS set during the Human-Forerunner war. Ideally playing as Forerunners so we can finally get Human enemies.
versed helm
Meh
violet iron
id love that
limpid meadow
Like, how cool would it be to fight Humans, then all of a sudden the Flood show up and start wrecking both sides?
versed helm
Thats not how it happended lol
The flood were barely a problem to the forerunners during the human-forerunner war
It was after when humanity was destroyed the forerunners got swamped by them
The Humans and San'Shyuum were the ones fighting the flood, and as far as I'm aware they had pretty much beaten it until the forerunners put the nail in the coffin
violet iron
no bruh they didnt deem the flood as a threat when they were fighting the humans until the human forerunner war was over
and they were runnning desperately
versed helm
The didact himself wanted humans back because he didn't realise the floods power lol
stoic hamlet
I’d like a horror game without flood
Make it like alien isolation where you’re running from an elite
violet iron
like the elite in forward unto dawn?
stoic hamlet
.....or a game where you’re an Innie getting chased by Spartans. You can’t kill them, only slow them down/distract them.
violet iron
with lasky and his cadets
stoic hamlet
Yeah
violet iron
true
stoic hamlet
The flood are the go-to horror for Halo but they don’t work IMO. Not for the atmospheric horror. They’d be better for like Resident Evil style horror.
Exchange the elite for a pack of jackals maybe.
Or some grunts
You could get really creative with things, show the universe in its more darker, disturbing side.
violet iron
how about oni chasing you
stoic hamlet
As an Innie? That’s accomplished by the Spartan thing.
violet iron
how bout oni turns on a spartan
stoic hamlet
A IV maybe.
violet iron
possibly sends headhunter spartans
stoic hamlet
ONI aren’t comicbook black villains, they’re not that kinda organization.
Chief went AWOL though
They were well within their right to turn on him.
Technically he “turned on” them
Going AWOL is a crime
And he’s not above the law.
violet iron
yea they were like oh he shot up a peace conference
stoic hamlet
He’s beholden to rules and regulations just like everyone else.
That was done by ONI
they were overseeing that
near tide
i think a battle to the death of blue team versus a team of spatan IV's would be interesting
violet iron
and when they were scared by sanghelli what they did to their food
stoic hamlet
Also, going vigilante is still a crime.
violet iron
after human covenant war
stoic hamlet
It’s not a good thing
Ah, I see where this is going
Counterpoint:
What did the Sangheili do for 27 years prior?
How many saw Justice?
How many were remorseful?
near tide
who is the best fighter out of all the spartan Iv's?
near tide
I mean could any spartan Iv's beat chief
stoic hamlet
Yes
violet iron
i hate spartan IV's
stoic hamlet
Chief has lost to others dozens of times
violet iron
they have ptoential but spartan ops just made them annoying
halo 5 made me hate em for going after cheif
stoic hamlet
Kurt beat him during training more times than he lost, IIRC
violet iron
true
stoic hamlet
You seem to have a very black and white view of things, @violet iron
near tide
Spartan IV's
stoic hamlet
Not meant as an insult btw, just an observation I’ve noted
violet iron
thats true @stoic hamlet
stoic hamlet
They absolutely could beat him
near tide
which ones?
stoic hamlet
It’s just a matter of how
near tide
Osiris were probably some of the most skilled Iv's
As they were chosen to hunt down cheif/blue team
violet iron
but IV's dont stand mcuh of wa chance against spartan 2s
limpid meadow
Also, Chief was holding back.
near tide
yep
stoic hamlet
Individually? I can’t say.
It’s the same reason I despise “who would win” fights, it’s impossible to claim a victor because any attempt to give rules and regulations for the fight makes it unfair for a combatant.
limpid meadow
Once Chief gets serious, after his visor is cracked, it doesn't take much for him to overpower Locke.
stoic hamlet
There are so many variables to a fight, terrain, morale, stamina, Previous fighting, recon, etc
It’s not really possible to say “X would win 10/10”
limpid meadow
And to note, what primarily sets IIs and IVs apart is training and experience. We don't really know how GEN2 Mjolnir affects Spartan-IIs, if there's any difference between how it affects them vs a Spartan-IV
violet iron
augmentations as well
limpid meadow
Out of armor, that would be a factor
stoic hamlet
The armour equalizes them
near tide
II's have stronker augmentations
limpid meadow
Out of armor, yes
violet iron
also 2s are kidnapped kids
near tide
imagine chief with the armor 4's use
violet iron
4 adult volunteers
stoic hamlet
He uses the same armour as them @near tide
limpid meadow
We don't know whether the boost given to IVs by GEN2 applies to the IIs
stoic hamlet
By Halo 5 he’s using Mark VI GEN2
near tide
The funny thing is Spartan IL's were known as child soldiers
versed helm
THAT entire fight was stupid.
near tide
but they are about the same age as a lot of IV's
versed helm
its existence is stupid.
stoic hamlet
They weren’t publicly @near tide
It was a rumour
That was then shot down by Hunt the Truth as a conspiracy theory.
limpid meadow
The fight choreography was bad, yeah. The way the fight plays out is pretty accurate though.
violet iron
honestly 343 took fan advice, just look at hw2 redteam vs atriox compared to master chief vs locke in 5
near tide
Chief is older than locke lol
stoic hamlet
I’ll give it this.
near tide
by 10 years
stoic hamlet
That they went immediately to grapples was great.
stoic hamlet
That fight is also not great
violet iron
thts 3 v 1
stoic hamlet
There’s a lot of problems with it
violet iron
i would give it an 8
limpid meadow
My biggest issue is still with the rest of Osiris. Why did they just stand by while Locke & Chief fought? THat's probably the dumbest part of that fight scene
limpid meadow
I love the Red Team fight
near tide
Imagine firing super mac rounds at a planet
violet iron
its fast paced and not bulky and slow like halo 5
versed helm
The fight choreography was bad, yeah. The way the fight plays out is pretty accurate though.
@limpid meadow
chief was acting way out of character. im sorry i dont think he'll just randomly start a fight for no reason at all.
stoic hamlet
Same reason Alice didn’t light up Atriox when they were moving back @limpid meadow she had a clear shot with a fully loaded BR at close range and no indication of shields to block her rounds.
But if she fired and killed him, as she should have, we’d have lost our villain.
versed helm
it sucks. it shouldnt exist.
stoic hamlet
(Oof, sorry for that double tag)
limpid meadow
He started the
chief was acting way out of character. im sorry i dont think he'll just randomly start a fight for no reason at all.
@versed helm He started the fight because Locke was trying to stop him. That's perfectly in character given his mental state
violet iron
but they just got their as ses handed to them why would they want to provoke him if they were letting em go
atriox and red team i mean
stoic hamlet
Because there’s such a thing as “suppressing fire”? Keep him pinned as you fall back.
versed helm
He started the
@versed helm He started the fight because Locke was trying to stop him. That's perfectly in character given his mental state
so uh he asks blue team to go and they go and then he's going himself, but then locke says something and chief just punches him?
that is awful.
limpid meadow
He says "Cortana is our responsibility now"
near tide
What would the effect of a super mac hitting a planet be?
limpid meadow
Yeah, Chief's not going to be happy about that
violet iron
"like hell she is"
carmine moss
Got goose bumps
violet iron
literally the only good line in halo 5
stoic hamlet
When you fall back you have someone firing to cover your retreat.
We actually see Alice firing as they get to the ‘hog, showing she was doing so. As well, the initial reveal trailer showed her firing as they fell back.
But they removed it in the game for some dumb reason.
limpid meadow
Looking at the cutscene, I don't think the BR Alice had was functional, but who's to say?
Jerome has a BR by the time they get outside.
No wait, never mind
stoic hamlet
It fired only three rounds initially, and the barrel seems functional.
versed helm
that was pure fan service alright? it makes 0 sense, chief aint that kind of a guy. he's calm, calculated. not rambo.
stoic hamlet
If it jammed I’d have no problem.
limpid meadow
I'll grant you the end of the fight.
stoic hamlet
But there’s no indication it’s inoperable and IIRC Red Team hadn’t engaged anything until they came to Atriox.
The rest of it is fine
I mean it could have been done better IMO
But it’s fine.
versed helm
One thing I’ve always wondered:
How strong is Jerome, in comparison to other Spartans? Such as Locke, and Chief, etc.
Can’t say I’m much of an expert in this regard.
limpid meadow
There's no way to really say
stoic hamlet
He’d be as strong as any II/III on paper.
carmine moss
His mental state at h4 ending was fragile
stoic hamlet
But we can’t say specifically.
limpid meadow
that was pure fan service alright? it makes 0 sense, chief aint that kind of a guy. he's calm, calculated. not rambo.
@versed helm Normally yes. By the end of Halo 4, that stoic facade had started to crack.
versed helm
His mental state at h4 ending was fragile
not enough to take away his calculated mind.
Well Jerome is a Spartan II, so there’s that generational, pure blood Spartan sort of advantage, physically.
He can take out a room full of people as easily as Chief, but as fast as Locke could.
So it’s difficult to pinpoint exactly where he stands in terms of comparing him to others, for me.
Then again, part of it is the fact that you don’t see or hear about Jerome a whole lot apart from the halo wars games
stoic hamlet
Yeah, he wasn’t “himself” by that point.
limpid meadow
@stoic hamlet I'll say this about the Red Team fight: right before leaving, Jerome gets a call about multiple incoming hostiles. Depending on how much ammo they have, he may have wanted to conserve ammo depending on what they encountered outside.
It's only after he see how far the enemies are that he starts firing.
stoic hamlet
That’s true, but it still seems odd.
limpid meadow
Basically he waited to shoot until he could fully assess the situation
stoic hamlet
Sure, but there’s an HVT right there, I feel like he’d have taken the risk.
Even firing a single round then bugging out.
limpid meadow
He doesn't know it's an HVT at that time.
stoic hamlet
Hmm, fair point
limpid meadow
And Brutes are known to survive some pretty insane damage
stoic hamlet
Have any survived a shot to the skull in the books? I can’t recall any examples off the top of my head.
Or well, have any remained standing?
limpid meadow
I don't recall
carmine moss
H4 made him question his purpose, then he's awol being hunted by the people he served, his mental state was broken. Fred even says in halo 5 how chief doing so many missions without rest isn't normal and could hurt his mental state
limpid meadow
Just the general "they're tough".
stoic hamlet
Mhm
Actually
Part of me wonders if they aren’t tough, per se, but just have really high adrenaline/pain tolerance?
Though I suppose that’s the same thing essentially.
versed helm
They come from a world with 2x earths gravity, of course they're going to be tough
Theirs bones alone need to be immensely strong just to survive jumping
Not to mention the muscle mass, they weigh nearly 1200 pounds
stoic hamlet
But yeah, I’d have no problems with that ending scene if we had had a moment of Jerome trying to fire but then getting a jam or something.
I guess I’m just wishing the fights would be more like Astartes, if you’ve seen that, than how they’re done now.
limpid meadow
I can agree with that!
stoic hamlet
Slightly peeved thats the best portrayal of how a Spartan team would likely operate and it isn’t even Halo.
limpid meadow
Astartes is absolutely fantastic! I could gush for HOURS about the level of detail in it's fights
It's probably the best portrayal of any super-soldier in power armor in any sci-fi universe.
A lot of official 40K stuff doesn't come close to it.
stoic hamlet
Yeah.
You can tell it’s a Labour of love to the universe.
Everything is just so well done
The speed, the strength, the motions.
Really wish Halo would see that level of detail.
limpid meadow
But yeah, if I ever had a chance to talk to a 343 animator or something, I'd immediately point them towards that for an example of how Spartans should act and move in combat
stoic hamlet
Yep.
A lot of times, animators try and portray super soldiers as flashy and grandiose. I get why, but the coolest thing to me is when they’re not that.
When they’re just pure tactical brutality.
limpid meadow
I'd even argue that's grandiose in it's own way
stoic hamlet
True.
It’s a statement not because of how drawn out it is, but how quick it is.
The Star Wars Rebels fight between Obi-Wan and Maul is similar.
It’s ~5 seconds and 3 moves, yet it has more weight and gravitas to it than any other fight.
Less is more, as they say.
limpid meadow
Amen
And then when you get the larger, drawn out fights, it's because the enemy is that much more powerful.
stoic hamlet
But yeah, really hoping 343/blur/whoever takes notes from Astartes for how Spartans should move and fight. And (a rather controversial point) how they should look.
By that I mean the subdued individuality that they kind of have in Halo Wars, but IMO should move to the same for the main games.
Yep
limpid meadow
And that power comes across because of how different the fight suddenly is.
stoic hamlet
It shows that this foe can’t be overcome with how you normally would overtake it, it’s not a fight of strength or speed, but outsmarting your opponent.
limpid meadow
Exactly. It takes roughly 2 minutes for the Space Marines to take out a small army of soldiers, and about the same amount of time to take out 2 Psykers.
And it's all conveyed so beautifully.
stoic hamlet
Something I love as well: the soldiers weren’t dumb.
Everything they did could have killed the Marines
limpid meadow
Gods yes
limpid meadow
Laser turrets!
stoic hamlet
That multilaser scene is the perfect example
Had that Sergeant moved jut slightly closer down the corridor before the gunner fired he’d have died.
But the gunner panicked and fired too early.
The Autocannon guy was just too short in his target placement, he corrected, but by the time he fired a second shot he was dead already.
stark fern
wait, so how did cortana live after halo 4?
limpid meadow
The Cortana in Halo 5 was made up of the rampant fragments she shed off in Halo 4.
stoic hamlet
Honestly though you don’t know how happy I was when I first watched that, and I was talking with friends and honestly all they could hear me saying was “they’re not morons! They’re actually competent!” Lol.
stark fern
oh
stoic hamlet
Cortana has a habit of fragmenting herself to multitask,
limpid meadow
They made their way into the Domain, recombine, and with the infinite storage space the Domain provides, her rampancy was halted.
stoic hamlet
She did the same (somewhat) in Halo Reach.
limpid meadow
Honestly though you don’t know how happy I was when I first watched that, and I was talking with friends and honestly all they could hear me saying was “they’re not morons! They’re actually competent!” Lol.
@stoic hamlet I can imagine my dude 🙂
stoic hamlet
Really excited to see what that next storyline will be. That tease at the end of part 5 is enticing.
limpid meadow
Same
stoic hamlet
But yeah, I’m really hoping 343/blur are taking notes, lol
limpid meadow
Alright, g'night mates
spiral jewel
Have a nice night, Toa!
fresh radish
hey its Ian!
limpid meadow
No, this is Patrick
versed helm
I’ve only played ce so far
And cutscene at start of 2
But why did the covalent want the halo?
And not want it destroyed?
Didn’t they know it would kill everyone?
obsidian thistle
You'd find out in Halo 2 🙂
versed helm
they didn't. they believed it's some sort of religious artifact which will take them to paradise.
morons.
It’s such a petty war then
If u could just speak to them
Does cortana look different in halo 2 than 1?
you couldn't just 'speak' to them. you do realise 20 billion humans died.
I’ve only played 1 so far
Does cortana look different in halo 2 than 1?
she changes in all games.
Currently in a cutscene at the start of 2
Is she the same person?
And just looks different?
oh yeah.
How they reward the human
And torture the covalent
In this cutscene
mhm. different contexts. Chief blew up Halo. Thel didn't manage to stop chief blowing up halo.
Covalent lmao
why does cortana look different in each one?
is there some lore reason>
or updated graphics or something
there's no lore reason.
boreal bane
@versed helm Let's not make comments like that please
versed helm
K
lethal comet
do sangheili lay eggs or give birth
carmine sleet
It really isn't cursed, not every sentient species in the galaxy is going to be like humanity in how they produce offspring
knotty silo
Yeah ik but eh it’s just weird to me
versed helm
They're aliens man, what do you expect?
knotty silo
Touché
humble yacht
it's probably weird to an elite that a human would birth live offspring that then has to get its nutrients from its mom
versed helm
A lot of human concepts have been regarded as weird or new to the Elites.
knotty silo
Maybe it’s just weird to me because I’ve never really given it any thought
versed helm
Prophets and Brutes also give live birth so its probably normalized with elites at this point
haughty urchin
I wonder how Sangheili treatment of mental health goes
Like they don't seem the most sympathetic/empathetic lol
versed helm
They care about each other, a lot.
haughty urchin
Really? I would've expected such an honour bound culture to be very meritocratic
And less nice for niceness sake
versed helm
Well, it kind of varies.
feral perch
Sangheili usually aren’t allowed to know the identity of their father in the Keep, nor fathers their children’s identities, for the sake of pure merit
It’s to prevent nepotism
versed helm
All military personnel regard each other as brothers.
haughty urchin
Are there any lore examples of an Elites reaction to a Marine just being like "hey how are ya?"
I want to see how they are in informal conversation haha
versed helm
Not from what I know, the Marines were very distant towards the Sangheili in the events of H3.
Rightfully so, they were just scared of them.
haughty urchin
Yeah, they are kinda terrifying
versed helm
It's mainly because of the past.
If they were allied from the start then I doubt that the Marines would be scared of them.
humble yacht
it may not have been fear, it may have been animosity due to years of genocidal attacks
haughty urchin
The whole glassing thing? I imagine that does leave a mark
humble yacht
an angry mark
versed helm
I'd like to see the allegiance develop, I think it was pretty cool.
haughty urchin
Yeah, a time skip story would be interesting, see if they ever co-habit planets
versed helm
Then again, I remember this one pair in H3. An Elite and a Marine, they were both in a Gausshog.
It was amazing to see.
Yeah, a time skip story would be interesting, see if they ever co-habit planets
@haughty urchin JOZs exist, both races are very distant though. They segregate themselves in different regions of the zone.
versed helm
One second.
Courtesy of Halopedia. @haughty urchin
It provides a list of locations too.
spiral jewel
I wouldn't be surprised if there are JOZ's on Earth
(The Forerunner name for Earth, Erda Tyrene, sounds pleasing and a lot more natural to say for some reason)
feral perch
*Erde-Tyrene
carmine sleet
At most, I could see a joint training zone on Earth, doubt they'd have a joint operation zone on Earth given that it ain't exactly a planet that's in the middle of a potential warzone in the post war era
stoic hamlet
There was a Sangheili on Earth apparently going to detonate a nuke before Majestic stopped him.
You’d think that would be major news, but it’s almost played for laughs.
last anchor
Jokes on him; it wasnt actually a nuke, just an empty casing loaded with expired jelly beans XD
versed helm
Just delivering some happiness to the locals.
fair hazel
I could see the ueg wanting to supresss the news as to not incite, retaliatory actions
carmine sleet
Plus, finding out someone tried to detonate a nuke wouldn't be fun in general
limpid meadow
ONI probably suppressed any news of Gek's activity on Earth
They also knew about the attack in advance thanks to Rion Forge.
carmine sleet
I completely forgot that it was Gek who was trying to nuke Rio
jolly furnace
I wonder what AH called Earth back in the day. The Forerunners called it Erde-tyrene. Gamalpar's best wife called it Erda.
Did AH use both terms or did they have their own name for it I wonder?
limpid meadow
They at least used Erda
versed helm
In halo 2
Why did the aliens start attacking each other? (When they had the index thing)
I caught something about the brutes did they betray them or something?
They also left one of the important frog people on the flood to get killed by a flood parasite why?
And he was like the whatever waits for no one
gilded mason
Because Truth did not want Elites to have power any more, so he ordered the Brutes that he had been secretly supplying gear to, to kill them
Mercy? Because Truth did not want to share power.
Basically everything happened because Truth is a selfish guy that didn't want to lose prestige/power.
versed helm
Ahhh thanks
And one more thing I missed it just I heard ‘grave mind used us as a diversion’. Diversion for what?
Was getting the index piece (or trying to anyway) not important to grace mind? Surely he wants them to survive as his food as much as they want to live
gilded mason
Diversion to slip In Amber Clad into High Charity with his Flood.
Was getting the index piece (or trying to anyway) not important to grace mind?
And it was, that's why he sent John and Thel both to get it.
He figured at least one of them would succeed.
Though to be honest, I do wonder how much of a diversion John actually was, since for much of the level, the Brutes and Elites were more focused...elsewhere.
versed helm
I literally ran through most of the place lol
Thanks for the explanations. I can’t say I find the combat as good as others say it is level design is kinda repetitive but lores kinda interesting.
stoic hamlet
Though to be honest, I do wonder how much of a diversion John actually was, since for much of the level, the Brutes and Elites were more focused...elsewhere.
@gilded mason
My guess is though he may not have been a major diversion the Gravemind was thinking “more the merrier”.
gilded mason
Would make sense, yeah.
humble yacht
would it even need a diversion?
it's not like HC could prevent a slip within itself
gilded mason
Yeah. Though I guess he might've been worried about possible anti-air defences (though that sounds very odd for a place like High Charity) within the city itself. Or I guess one of those cruisers within the dome shooting it down, killing all the Flood aboard.
versed helm
Can’t these lads just go to a different galaxy and blow that one up
humble yacht
i mean, once the ship is inside, doesn't really matter where it crashes, even if it's shot down
unless it was completed obliterated
gilded mason
unless it was completed obliterated
Yeah.
I'm guessing a strike from a cruiser could do that.
humble yacht
i don't think the covies have something that could do that that could be safely used indoors
in halo 2, cruisers were one-shotting frigates but for the most part, the ships remained intact
really, only the bombs did enough damage to completely annihilate objects
gilded mason
Ah. But anyway, as Canadian said, I imagine Gravemind simply wanted to lessen the chances of it as much as possible.
stoic hamlet
They one shot a Marathon. I don’t recall them one shorting frigates in Halo 2? Unless you mean the skybox? IIRC they just go up in a puff of smoke and fire, no debris left.
humble yacht
because the alternative would be torture
gilded mason
In his clutches, so might as well try to appease some curiosity in exchange for possibly getting her own answers
humble yacht
that's also a good point
gilded mason
A very sophisticated one
gilded mason
You can simulate pain
gilded mason
She's trying to keep her cool.
versed helm
oh
so im guessing 3 is gonna be killing that other frog lord guy then going to save her
hopefully 3 comes in the next month
reach time
gilded mason
One way to find out
main siren
Should I tell them about the ||Logic Plague||?
marsh tusk
Was there ever an in-game explanation for why there weren't any Brutes on instalation 04?
As in why the covenant didn't deploy any
humble yacht
maybe thel didn't have brutes in his fleet
limpid meadow
Brutes just didn't seem to be part of the Fleet of Particular Justice
marsh tusk
ohhhh I forgot it was his fleet and not high charity that attacked
me have dumb brain
gilded mason
I think Conversations from the Universe mentioned Brutes present at 04
limpid meadow
It mentions Brute reports of the battle, but that doesn't mean they were present. Let me find the quote.
Actually it's from the LE Game manual. A letter from Thel 'Vadamee to the Prophet of Truth.
As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion caused by the spread of the parasite.
There, full quote.
humble yacht
brutes didn't appear in Fireteam Raven, did they?
limpid meadow
Reading it over does make it sound like first-hand accounts, but they mention encountering the Demon, which never happens
humble yacht
I only remember flood pure forms being out of place
limpid meadow
They did not
Drones appear during the Pillar of Autumn level, but that's the only new species
versed helm
It still annoys me how it was pretty much The Prophet of Stewardship's fault and the Prophets just wanted to find a scapegoat.
limpid meadow
Pure Forms are there because they were held in stasis on the ring (like we see on the map Cold Storage)
marsh tusk
It's especially funny that the prophets blaming it on the elites then eventually lead to their own downfall really
fair hazel
And abominations
gilded mason
Though you'd imagine Thel would mention that Brutes were never in his fleet and thus never got near 04, but he simply said their accounts were "unreliable" partly because of the confusion of the Flood's release.
fair hazel
But, Delete, making Thel the culprit was a way to lessen his power.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure they'd have tried to lessen the Xytan's power too
had they had more tiem
versed helm
But, Delete, making Thel the culprit was a way to lessen his power.
Yes, didn't they believe that he would join Sesa or even form his own rebellion if he learned of their lies?
versed helm
No, several things imply this.
One of them being the recordings by Sesa.
in halo reach are the others spartans as well?
they all have helmets on them like my guys
gilded mason
Yes.
gilded mason
In the game, all but Jorge (an SII) are SIIIs.
haughty urchin
I was doin some wiki diving on Precursors, and saw a worrying detail
Can Flood infect reality?
versed helm
That depends on how you define reality?
marsh tusk
Don't think so
versed helm
Are you talking about different dimensions and the fabric of reality itself?
Because I can't see them corrupting that with the Logic Plague.
marsh tusk
Precursors could warp time and space i believe but I'm not sure about reality unless that's what you mean
Maybe not time idk
haughty urchin
It seemed to being implying they could infect like spacetime itself
versed helm
Don't they need oxygen?
marsh tusk
Anyways I don't think that flood have all the powers precursors had since it was a corrupted thing from it, wasn't it?
Who the precursors or flood?
haughty urchin
I think this seemed to be about super late stage flood
marsh tusk
Ye since I think without a gravemind they can't do the psychic stuff and can't teleport or whatever it was
versed helm
From what Ostral and Ado have told me, Gravemind has the ability to manipulate neural physics.
I need to research this first.
Just to be certain.
gilded mason
Ye, once he was far enough along
versed helm
Chimera told me otherwise.
gilded mason
Here's at least one line in Silentium about it. Flood using Neural Physics for their slipspace travel.
The presence of Forerunner forces within this region is apparently a surprise.```I was referring to the ability to transfer consciences through neural physics, unless I misinterpreted what you said.
gilded mason
Ah. That too, I assume.
versed helm
I was asking what would happen to people's minds if they died in the field when in close contact with The Flood.
I am not referring to when they have been infected by spores either.
marsh tusk
Pretty sure they just die but the body gets taken over or left
versed helm
That's what I thought.
But I was told otherwise.
Think there are other Elites like Yar 'Dosaan who helped the UNSC re-establish communications with the Outer Colonies?
gilded mason
A lot of Elites out there, so certainly possible.
versed helm
I don't know why they would help them with a task like that.
gilded mason
Because they felt it would be a good thing to do?
versed helm
Most of them just seemed willing to end the war and then move on, they didn't seem to care about the humans at all.
gilded mason
There's billions of Elites. They're not all gonna have the same personalities.
versed helm
There are some stories that say otherwise, but from my experience, those instances are rare.
gilded mason
Because the narrative tended not to focus on those instances.
Like how depositing waste would be rarely talked about, but we know it regularly happens.
versed helm
I don't think that comparison is very fair.
They haven't exactly been apologetic for their actions (other than Thel).
gilded mason
What I'm saying is this: we have no idea how many elites think a certain way, and there could be a sizeable amount that care, but simply aren't the focus of whatever book's plot is.
versed helm
It's why I want to see more lore being established for the allegiance because of now, they seem pretty hostile to the humans.
To me at least.
gilded mason
It's why I want to see more lore being established for the allegiance
I do, too
versed helm
That way, we are given the impression that they don't all despise us lmao.
Outside of SoS anyway.
gilded mason
We know from Vale's description of her touring Sangheili colonies that many don't actually want conflict with humans.
versed helm
I'd rather see more sources emerge, it adds more reliability.
This is one account after all.
Plus, I'd rather see more interesting takes.
Vale just seems like a fan girl for the Sangheili lol.
haughty urchin
Does Thel feel remorse for what he did?
versed helm
Yes.
haughty urchin
What a chad
versed helm
He is one indeed.
humble yacht
when did he express remorse?
versed helm
He didn't exactly seem very happy when explaining the lies to Tartarus, he sounds broken and guilty.
humble yacht
that didn't sounds like guilt
versed helm
Matter of interpretation so you could say that I am wrong.
humble yacht
he'd just had his belief ripped from him, i doubt guilt for humanity was on his mind 
haughty urchin
I think your read is perfectly valid, but probably too subjective to be considered straight up lore
I like it though
versed helm
That's fair.
haughty urchin
I have an utterly unrelated question I just thought of
versed helm
I think he cares about the humans, he looked pretty concerned when seeing the wounded in Crows Nest. So if he has shown sympathy, he must have felt some guilt or remorse for his actions.
haughty urchin
You know how the Mjolnir redesign is GEN2 and all that, and I remember reading that Chief's suit redesign was Cortana while he was in stasis; did they ever remedy how Cortana came up with GEN2 at the same time as UNSC scientists?
Or is it a shush dont think about it?
versed helm
Probably.
versed helm
They said that the change in design was caused by nanomachines even though they left the scarring of the plating.
haughty urchin
I swear I remember reading she was the reason Cheif's suit changed between 3 and 4
versed helm
Yes, nanomachines son.
humble yacht
Cortana used nanobots to alter the look of the armor while chief was in stasis, yes
but it was still GEN1
haughty urchin
Senator Armstrong? In Halo? More likely than you'd think
humble yacht
cortana had nothing to do with GEN2
haughty urchin
I know, I just think it's a point how it looks exactly like a GEN2 design
This is complete nitpicking, dont worry
versed helm
Which is silly, the nanomachines ignored the MASSIVE scarring on the chest plate.
humble yacht
the reason chief's GEN2 design looks the same is probably because his GEN1 suit was retrofitted with GEN2 components to bring it in line
queen otter
Are we talking about the armor change between h3 and h4?
humble yacht
or, UNSC just made him a GEN2 version of what he was wearing at his request
haughty urchin
Ya, teqz
versed helm
Man, just seeing the change in design makes my blood boil.
humble yacht
why?
haughty urchin
I used to dislike it, I am now a defender
humble yacht
Halo 4 armor looked good
haughty urchin
I just think the execution of the change was horrific
I think the context at the time is what made it sour in a lot of people's mouths
versed helm
I just hate it, I hate it with a fiery hot passion.
humble yacht
what a waste of anger
versed helm
Looks so jarring and different.
haughty urchin
hey, the man can be passionate about anythin he likes
versed helm
what a waste of anger
I have nothing else to be angry about in my life, I am fairly happy.
haughty urchin
I think had there been more of a 'passing of the torch' to a new armour suit everyone would've been more happy
But the background change, coupled with a couple of other things made it seem so dismissive
versed helm
The only design done by 343i that I like is Buck's Helljumper set.
haughty urchin
To me, at least
humble yacht
343 should have just said "artistic license" and been confident with that answer
haughty urchin
Yeah, that is definitely a consideration
I do worry sometimes with games like this, you want to add a new enemy for combat considerations, but then have to find complete lore justification as to not only what they are, but as to why they've never been seen up to this point
Oh, another point that felt dismissive (personally) that I forgot; the cutscene at the start of H4 in the past that showed Spartans in GEN2
As if it was saying "Shut up your old design never existed"
Obviously I am simplifying the emotions, hope I don't seem reductionist
gilded mason
Though that one they admitted was because of time constraints
haughty urchin
wuh
versed helm
And man oh man, they ruined the design for the Elites.
haughty urchin
I just got a "WARN: Your message has been deleted for containing prohibited text."
humble yacht
again, that design isn't GEN2. it's just Mark VI [MOD]
fair hazel
That one is my favourite design
versed helm
For what?
fair hazel
Halo 4/5 John’s Armour
versed helm
-_-
haughty urchin
EY
versed helm
Heresy.
humble yacht
it was Mark VI tho
versed helm
My favourite set for John so far has to be Mark V.
haughty urchin
Yes, but it looked completely different
versed helm
I guess he just liked it, can't attack him for that, I respect it.
gilded mason
Josh Holmes called it S-IV armor. :^)
versed helm
Alright?
gilded mason
In response to Chimera saying it was Mark VI [Mod] in the cutscene, not Gen2
versed helm
I am aware. -_-
humble yacht
ironically Gen2 version of Mark VI in Halo 4 looks more like H3's version
haughty urchin
Don't want to step on any toes lol
versed helm
What's your favourite version of Chief's gear Mr. Dongobee?
humble yacht
so josh holmes was probably just making blanket statements for simplicity sake
humble yacht
Pilot helmet is said to be inspired by SPI
haughty urchin
I do really like some of the design considerations of his 4/5 suit, as much as I dislike the low shoulders, it makes sense to allow the Spartan to raise his arms above his head
Having a spartan unable to do jumping jacks is dang silly
versed helm
Pilot helmet is said to be inspired by SPI
I could tell you the inspiration for Mk V.
haughty urchin
I do really love Jerome's suit though
Can my all time favourite be a concept art?
humble yacht
but it's the same as douglas's and alice's 
haughty urchin
I've got this one picture of Fred that I actually used as an avatar for years
limpid meadow
Technically not
limpid meadow
Each Spartan in Red Team has a different icon on their right shoulder 😉
humble yacht
limpid meadow
lol
versed helm
If it relevant then I don't think the mods would have an issue.
Am I ok to post an image link?
gilded mason
Am I ok to post an image link?```
Can't post one inline, but you can do a linkIf you need an in game realised one, J-092's
humble yacht
that art makes me think of metal gear for some reason
haughty urchin
Chimera, I'm guessing yours is Bucks?
humble yacht
no
haughty urchin
Funnily enough I'm a huge Yoji Shinkawa fan lol
He did the art for MGS
What is it?
versed helm
Just Mk V in general.
humble yacht
that link length 🤢
haughty urchin
I rock either Mark V or Pilot in Reach
versed helm
I'm sorry sir, would you like me to delete it?
that link length 🤢
haughty urchin
I understand your appreciation
humble yacht
Pilot plus parafoil body
gilded mason
Yeah, Mark V is 👌 👌 to me.
versed helm
I only wear Mk V in Reach.
gilded mason
And Tekka's interpretation is great.
haughty urchin
I can't do my boy breacher like that
versed helm
That is THE helmet for me in Reach.
haughty urchin
gotta rock those shotgun shells
versed helm
Mk V.
haughty urchin
Operator was my 'canonical' Noble 6 helmet on my first playthrough
versed helm
I like to wear the Mk V helmet with the ammo pouches and the Mk V shoulder pads.
haughty urchin
We're not getting too off topic for lore are we?
Don't mean to derail the channel
versed helm
It's fair to ask that.
haughty urchin
Quick let's talk about the companies that make the armour
Where the heck did they all come from
humble yacht
where do any businesses come from? some steve jobs like fellow had a good idea and made alot of money
versed helm
For ORION, they used old mining suits.
Well they established the forge for Covenant weaponry.
humble yacht
originally MJOLNIR was made by Materials Group
haughty urchin
The lore description of the EOD helmet always stuck with me for some reason
It was specifically designed to stop decapitation
versed helm
EOD reminds me of Winston from Overwatch.
haughty urchin
Like, was that a prominent enough problem?
humble yacht
when GEN2 program started, UNSC contracted construction of different models out to different businesses
versed helm
RKD Group is a company that I found.
versed helm
Developed Legionnaire and the weeb set.
gilded mason
Kolaar Manufactorum best Mjolnir manufacturer
versed helm
For JFO.
I always remember one called Bergundschewseragermannamegruppe
versed helm
Lmao, so unnecessary.
haughty urchin
Helioskrill for life
versed helm
For the memes, I guess.
haughty urchin
It's how the germans do things
humble yacht
Hannibal made MJOLNIR sets too
haughty urchin
They stick words together to make new words
versed helm
Helioskrill was the only set I wore in H5.
gilded mason
Same
haughty urchin
"Grenzschutzgruppe 9"
gilded mason
Going through all the games on Legendary was worth it
haughty urchin
Is one word, but its Border Protection Group stuck together
versed helm
Going through all the games on Legendary was worth it
My mental state says otherwise.
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
Was worth it though, I agree.
haughty urchin
Y'know, is it ever established where the 'on' button is on Plasma Swords?
versed helm
I think it is activated through motion, no?
gilded mason
That sounds a bit too unwieldy
versed helm
Hey man, Rule of Cool.
gilded mason
More like Rule of Drool
versed helm
Don't know about that...
Anyway, it seems to be unknown.
People are assuming it is activated through a pressure sensor on the handle.
haughty urchin
Not that important I suppose
marsh tusk
In the original CE manual i'm pretty sure it says they don't really know except it uses crystals that explode eventually
versed helm
That's a source from 2001, I am sure they have expanded on it by now.
I need to sleep anyway.
versed helm
Goodnight lol.
fair hazel
Of course.. Argus and Linda’s Armour is yay
gilded mason
Nah, you can see triggers on the plasma pistol and needler
jolly furnace
Halopedia actually brings up that some weapons have no obivous firing mechanism or something
runic inlet
You’d think 500 years into the future, that humanity would have moved on from using gunpowder/bullets wouldn’t you think ? Every weapon should be like what they use in Star Wars
gilded mason
Halopedia actually brings up that some weapons have no obivous firing mechanism or something```
I think it was that there was no obvious connection between the trigger and inner workings, which was talked about in Halsey's journalYeah that Ostral
@runic inlet They didn't want to be so advanced that it didn't look human and also the first game took alot of inspiration from Marathon and Alien
gilded mason
Ye, and in addition to that, bullets would still be pretty strong.
jolly furnace
Aye bullets still work
if it works dont fix it
Or if it aint broke dont fix it
I doubt we ever get a Halo game for modern humanity using only energy weapons
Heck I doubt we see a fully tier 2 or tier 1 modern human race in Halo games
runic inlet
Ahh ok
fair hazel
@runic inlet the weapons they use in s tar wars are.. kinda weak..
vapid imp
I have a good take on the lore
listen
What if the soldier guy didnt die and he was in the next game when the other dude came and helped him but the cortana came and killed them both while they go to the halo?
gilded mason
What a story, Mark.
last anchor
Fascinating
terse lava
How about this, an entire game where the Covenant are the heros
gilded mason
👍
stoic hamlet
I’d actually really like that
Don’t shy away from their crimes, but don’t just portray them as super evil.
Like Letters From Iwo Jima, kinda thing.
gilded mason
👍 (Again)
versed helm
As cool of a concept it is, I don't think it would be a good idea.
summer kernel
I got sniped
haughty urchin
Bit late to the weaponry discussion but
It's not uncommon in sci fi for futuristic militaries to retain kinetic weaponry
To steal a quote from Mass Effect ""This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight! Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class Dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb."
MAC guns are similar
versed helm
Which Halo weapon would you like to be implemented into the military?
haughty urchin
Honestly, I'd just like biofoam so less people die ;-;
versed helm
Good man.
versed helm
railgun
super powerful slug with the ability to stop anything in its way is so op
Nah, NOVA bomb lmao, they are broken.
lethal comet
Does anyone wish for chips dubbo to come back in infinite
carmine sleet
I don't think he's needed
lethal comet
The man is a legend
carmine sleet
Ok, but that's only because of the community glorifying him and not because of anything Dubbo did
lethal comet
probably not canon but he survived reach,alpha halo,cairo station,delta halo,earth and the ark
only johnson and master chief have done that
unique rune
Yeah, that’s... very questionably canon.
He’s just a running gag character who’s never done anything of real importance.
If they add him to Infinite, cool. But I can’t say I’m gonna care if they don’t.
versed helm
It wouldn't be that important, just a nice subtle reference really.
main siren
I do miss Stacker, though :/
haughty urchin
Dubbo and the David Cross voiced marine are my two faves
lethal comet
imagine if RvB was canon
versed helm
Is Stacker (from Reach), dead?
what do you MEAN dubbo did nothing
he survived the glassing of reach, h1's explosion, 2's odst drop on halo, 3's jungle mission and 4 and 5's...something
unique rune
He was... there. He hardly did anything. Not to mention most of those are of very questionable canonical status, so... pretty much nothing.
Is Stacker (from Reach), dead?
Stacker was still around during the first Requiem campaign. Appeared in a mission in Halo 4.
Current status unknown, if I recall correctly.
versed helm
That's pretty cool.
lethal comet
what was noble 6 and kat's age at the time of their death?
haughty urchin
Noble 6 was a Spartan for 15 years, and picked when he was a child
So he's around 20-25 I think
Kat was 22
versed helm
He must have made a lot of militias "disappear" in those 15 years.
deep pewter
Kinda doubt they sent B312 out at 5 years old
haughty urchin
I dunno, a rabid genetically engineered 5 year old sounds like a nightmare
versed helm
When you say he became a Spartan, does this count before or after he received his training?
haughty urchin
I just meant put into the Spartan program
versed helm
Ah.
haughty urchin
They've deployed Spartans as young as like 15 though right?
haughty urchin
Yeah, I remember reading they looked like Olympic athletes at like 13
Just a tad messed up
deep pewter
John was also 15 in Silent Storm
carmine sleet
Six's exact birthday is unknown but it can be assumed he was around a similar age to the other members of Beta Company
fair hazel
John was younger than those who he was rescuing
stoic hamlet
They deployed Spartans as young as 9, from Alpha Company.
Though they’d have been 10 when they were KIA’d
Most Spartan III’s were deployed at 10-12 years old.
Aside from.........oddities
jolly furnace
Crack theory - Hamish Beamish is a Precursor
versed helm
He's the monument to all our sins
humble yacht
He’s dead like a precursor
jolly furnace
But what is death to a Preursor
humble yacht
Not being able to mop anymore
jolly furnace
Him not being able to mop is a crime against all life
humble yacht
We all lose our mops eventually
haughty urchin
So I just found out about the Yonhet
Are there many other races that aren't prominently shown?
humble yacht
Sharquoi
gilded mason
Possibly a fair amount of Covie Fringe species, and a multitude of species we haven't seen outside of the Orion Arm
violet iron
watch the xperia video about it
obsidian thistle
I mean there is many meddling aliens out there
gilded mason
meddling
CIA pls
versed helm
I'm sure Scooby is willing to help.
half apex
Why are forunners so sad?
versed helm
I guess it's due to the state of the universe.
half apex
I mean they consider laughing barbaric
haughty urchin
They do?
safe siren
Yeah
obsidian thistle
meddling
CIA pls
@gilded mason heh
gilded mason
Actually, that reminds me. You ever put that prisoner alien on your “Mystery species” page?
obsidian thistle
Thats more a mystery atm
We have no idea what was kept prisoner.
If a species
radiant tapir
Grunt go ahhh boom crash then confetti go poof
versed helm
Nice discussion of lore, I am seeing here.
haughty urchin
The secret lore 343 don't want you to know about where grunt confetti comes from 🤔
versed helm
Obviously it's contained in the methane tanks that are fed to their respirators.
last anchor
Huh
grim warren
When Halo was Bungie, did Humans=Forerunners make more sense lore-wise?
humble yacht
Up to a point
grim warren
Elucidate.
humble yacht
Bungee had decided by around H3 that they were separate
grim warren
At what point? Got any links?
gilded mason
Judging by this, by 2005, they were already separate, but I'm not sure how much earlier it was decided.
https://twitter.com/vicdeleon/status/1250204163201355777
grim warren
Just read the tweets. He cites the forunner saga, which came out in 2013 @gilded mason
gilded mason
Yeah, the tweets afterwards make it a bit vague
versed helm
Wow Halo Reach has a lot of Hungarian historical imagery.
The first colonists to Reach were Hungarian, the civilians you meet at the beginning of the game speak Hungarian, and a lot of regions in the game are named after Hungarian places.
In particular where the mission Tip of the Spear takes place, Mohacs. The Battle of Mohacs was a battle in which King Louis II and the Hungarian army were almost entirely annihilated by the Ottoman Empire.
After the battle, Hungary couldn’t fight back much against the Ottoman Empire, with the exception of a few holdouts like Eger, famously defended by a man named Dobo Istvan against seemingly stacked odds.
Interestingly, Reach also became synonymous with a disaster word in the Halo universe, much like Mohacs became the literal word for disaster in Hungary. The conflict between the UNSC and the Covenant kind of mirrors Hungary’s war with the Ottomans, in the sense that it’s a smaller side against a disproportionately more powerful enemy. Very deep stuff.
near tide
reach was beneficial for humanity
full forge
So, is in amber clad still lodged in high charity after it's crash landing on the ark?
terse lava
It was likely fully consumed in flood biomass and was close to the area.that was blown up so likely its.gone
lethal comet
In First strike was someone important supposed to be on Ascendant Justice, the ships in reach orbit were surprised and acted as if the ship was sacred?
obsidian thistle
There is a very compelling theory that the Elite John blasted out in a escape pod was Thel 'Vadam.
But thats all it is.
A theory.
versed helm
That's interesting.
Is there any lore for the Spartans (other than Locke) who were sent to assassinate Thel?
versed helm
I thought there were some individuals who were actually sent.
But they failed.
Unless they happened to be on a mission that was situated near Thel's position.
When was the assassination meant to happen?
During Halo 2.
Oh, I wonder if that would’ve affected humanity’s alliance with the elites if it actually happened.
It would have, Thel acted like the backbone of the alliance.
He ensured that the relations were on good terms.
carmine sleet
The op Locke was going to be sent on to kill Thel didn't happen because of Regret arriving at Earth
versed helm
Locke wasn't the only one who tried to assassinate Thel, right?
carmine sleet
Nothing indicates that there were other humans in the Human-Covenant War ever attempted such an op
versed helm
I remember it being mentioned in a H2 terminal.
terse lava
Others in ONI did attempt to kill thel. They failed
carmine sleet
I guess I forgot that detail
versed helm
Seems like it, huh.
stoic hamlet
I still find it really odd they failed, tbh.
He puts himself in way more danger than others.
versed helm
He's just that cool. 
terse lava
Also the fact its mere humans in a planetside invasion
Heck we saw he had guards when breaking into the barracks
fair hazel
I was playing super fiesta, and i was slaying with the appetite for destruction and it occured to me howa spartan wielding one of those would be able to destroy jedi
carmine sleet
Ericky, please, we all know The Answer would solve all Jedi problems
fair hazel
Of course of course
terse lava
Easy there palps
versed helm
Hello guys, what's the last published book?
versed helm
Okay, thank you!
terse lava
Still feels wierd they made a YA book so long after halo was made
limpid meadow
I'm glad they finally did.
I've heard so many stories of parents and teachers using these Scholastic-published books in school settings.
It's amazing!
terse lava
I do miss scholastic book ordering. But still seems like something that should have been done for Ghosts or another early book
carmine sleet
Once I'm finished with Oblivion, I'm gonna be jumping into the first Battle Born novel. Glad that they seem to have been well received
terse lava
Then again I guess too much death
versed helm
What's a scholastic published book?
unborn mirage
https://www.halopedia.org/Halo:_Meridian_Divide
@obsidian thistle I can't wait to get it. Hope the italian translation is good
versed helm
What's a scholastic published book?
@versed helm Scholastic is a company that publishes different forms of media, this ranges from books, educational encyclopaedias and etc.
Oh I see, thank you!
No problem.
limpid meadow
Adding to that, Scholastic published books are often found in schools and as part of programs to encourage kids and teens to read.
stoic hamlet
I still have a bunch of scholastic books at home. Bought a big box set of a series I really enjoyed, they were supposed to be a newer edition with better more up to date covers but no
Still love them though.
obsidian thistle
I will say, from someone who has wiki stats. The YA books have deffo upped wiki numbers. Young readers wanna know more about the series they started reading some could say. 🙂
That fact just makes me happy ya know 😄
fair hazel
Yay
stoic hamlet
Woo!
fair hazel
I’m considering, if battle born series would be a good entry point too..
fair hazel
YA
stoic hamlet
I will literally never not suggest release order to someone actually wanting to get into things, though.
terse lava
I would recommend broken circle after reading Ghosts of Onyx
feral perch
Read Silentium first, immediately followed by First Strike, and then Battleborn
Then quit out of frustration
spiral jewel
Apparently during the harvest conflict, there was a grunt who tried to end the war just as it started, as well as a grunt who unknowingly saved Johnson by attacking Tartarus with an overcharged plasma pistol.
jolly furnace
Question - What damage would star roads going at the speed of .33c lightspeed do to star systems while passing trough. I've read/heard, that they would literally vaporize planets as a mere side effect while passing by
I know they've been seen slicing and dicing them aswell
terse lava
That's pretty much it, would carve up the planets like fruit
near tide
Have any spartans been infected by the flood?
humble yacht
Not that we know of
terse lava
@jolly furnacenot sure, I only recall them squeezing a planet to pieces to draw in the didact's vessel
lethal comet
They have combat-ready work uniforms
they wear it during fights
@balmy gulch
The uniform Captain James Cutter wears
carmine sleet
Spartan Branch
At least in the post war, the UNSC ended up with Spartan as its own branch
lethal comet
Some Spartans remained with ONI
obsidian thistle
Y'all wanna know something weird I discovered.
If that man is still alive in 2559. He is over 100 years old.
(Thats presuming he didnt die during Halo Wars 1 or died during cryo)
lethal comet
he is a fitness and nutrition expert so he is in good health.
haughty urchin
He is very fitness and nutrition as you can see, so he is still alive.
versed helm
Looks like Palpatine.
humble yacht
Sheev mah boi
versed helm
Lmao.
midnight slate
100 is just his chronological age. he would be more like 80 biologically due to 20 years of cryo
versed helm
Cryo sleep, so tiresome...
humble yacht
maybe younger because of his good diet and excersice practices
haughty urchin
What's the average lifespan of someone in 255X?
versed helm
Not long thanks to the Covenant lol.
humble yacht
it was
haughty urchin
Mayhaps if I put more unecessary words in this sentece, I can stop the bot from removing a dupe message in which I ask "Was Orion ever removed from lore?"
humble yacht
no
haughty urchin
I remember it being extremely wishy washy, so wasn't sure if it was purged out
carmine sleet
We don't have much in terms of information on Orion but it still is something within the lore
humble yacht
you're talking about Project ORION, the spartan Is, yes?
sour wadi
It’s mentioned in silent storm which is fairly recent
carmine sleet
Aye, it is but we don't learn much
haughty urchin
Ya, the Johnson stuff
carmine sleet
We already knew Johnson was an Orion before Silent Storm, that isn't new info
humble yacht
all we know is that it was too costly for the benefits it gave and was retired
lethal comet
Its not talked about much in the universe cause ONI
sour wadi
I was saying it is still in the lore not that we learn anything about it in silent storm
humble yacht
of course it is
versed helm
So people in the halo world besides ONI have no idea that he helped save the world and or exist
forgot to put noble 6*
haughty urchin
Basically, poor guy/gal
carmine sleet
People are aware of who Six is, a replica of his helmet appeared at Outpost Discovery last year, which is something that exists within the lore as something the UNSC set up in the post war
terse lava
I almost wonder if the rest of Noble's armor is just sitting there out of sight too
haughty urchin
It might be underground, what with the glassing reforming the landscape
humble yacht
eh, the helmet is still visible by 2589
humble yacht
one day infinity's gonna be jumping through slipspace and they'll run into what's left of jorge
haughty urchin
Best have the windshield wipers on for that one
Is there a stated reason why people call Master Chief that moreso than they call him MCPO or John?
versed helm
i wonder what the size of the wipers be
haughty urchin
Or even Master Chief John
versed helm
humble yacht
the general public doesnt know him as John
haughty urchin
Ah, didn't realise it was classified
versed helm
What did they do with Kat's body?
humble yacht
probably gave it to ONI before continuing their missions
lethal comet
The armor is valuable
terse lava
Eh possible the covenant retrieved the zealot bodies along with emile
versed helm
I don't see why they would recover his corpse.
They would probably desecrate it for his actions.
humble yacht
they'd love a chance to research what makes the demons so strong
radiant sphinx
Emile suddenly gains consciousness during probing
versed helm
I don't think the Elites would be too keen on augmenting themselves.
Probably see it as dishonourable for shedding blood outside of battle.
humble yacht
no, but they'd like to know about any weakpoints in MJOLNIR
versed helm
I'd like to see more established for what happened to Reach after the UNSC abandoned it.
hushed badger
Is Reach's epilogue still canon?
versed helm
I don't see why it wouldn't be.
versed helm
That's really cool actually.
hushed badger
I'm asking because wasn't it set like 30 years later? Kinda ruins the tension for the events in-between.
I wouldn't mind if it was retconned.
versed helm
I would.
haughty urchin
How does it ruin the tension? Its one planet, you can still have big stakes and have a small human contingent repair Reach
The only tension spoiler is the human race doesn't get completely obliterated
scarlet hinge
you have to remember as far as bungie was concerned they were ending their run of the series, they probably didn't intend for reach to become the setting of anything new
hushed badger
Yeah that's my point, the whole Didact, Banished menace or constant Halo threat is redundant when you already know the good boy humans are alright anyway.
scarlet hinge
i mean the same is true of anything set before something else
you know what happens in Ep4 but rogue one still makes the death star intimidating
haughty urchin
What about any historical story ever as well?
hushed badger
Yeah but they're all knowinglly made as prequels.
haughty urchin
I understand where you're coming from darrec though
scarlet hinge
plus the characters in the setting don't have the meta knowledge we do which I usually find to be a well enough substitute
hushed badger
Not trying to build or continue a story.
humble yacht
just because halsey is around to deliver a eulogy in 2589 doesn't mean the rest of humanity comes out scott free
jolly furnace
For all we know the Created win and are runnin the show by Reach's epilogue. They won't be though.
hushed badger
You would have a point if Infinite was made as prequel (but it isn't).
humble yacht
plenty of exciting or tense things can happen between 2561 and 2589 other than all of humanity dying
scarlet hinge
tbh this is why trying to base their future stories on the survival of the human race is just a bad idea cause we have canon info going up to 2610
versed helm
What's past 2589?
humble yacht
good thing the issue right now isn't about survival