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humble yacht May 18, 2020, 2:17 PM

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Probably not

round comet May 18, 2020, 2:18 PM

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so he's a promethean

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he is an AI thats for sure

carmine sleet May 18, 2020, 2:20 PM

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Warden Eternal isn't a Promethean construct, we don't know much about what he is

round comet May 18, 2020, 2:21 PM

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except that he was assigned to protect the domain

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and now cortana bosses him around

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and he's got a million bodies. 7 of them we've already destoyed. yay.

obsidian thistle May 18, 2020, 2:24 PM

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@humble yacht actually First Strike actually has a case to be made that it was time dilation and less timetravel.

Not a retcon cause they only put forward a case that it could be. ;) But it does deffo mean that specific case may not be timetravel.

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 2:25 PM

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😐

obsidian thistle May 18, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Only timetravel that cant be denied is the ILBs timetravel.

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2552 to 2004

round comet May 18, 2020, 2:26 PM

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in first strike it was directly connected to slipspace

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another overlooked time-travel-ish incident was in Halo Last light

obsidian thistle May 18, 2020, 2:29 PM

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Thats an example Time dilation.

That said here is the two sources for the Time Dilation case. https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/db05ce78845f4120b062c50816008e5d/topics/idea-halo-book-club/da34bf82-0256-4b75-a0e2-953a956a97f3/posts?page=3#post54

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/db05ce78845f4120b062c50816008e5d/topics/some-people/f774285b-4446-4c88-a381-e3a0c6154911/posts?page=1#post14

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(Vociferious at the time and still is to my knowledge works at 343i)

round comet May 18, 2020, 2:32 PM

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mhm so i guess first strike's case less of a time travel scenario

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and more of an anomaly in slipspace

obsidian thistle May 18, 2020, 2:33 PM

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It can still be timetravel.

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Just a case from 343i themselves also puts forward the idea that it may he Time Dilation. A concept that we are very familiar with

round comet May 18, 2020, 2:35 PM

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it can be time-travel if it was controllable

carmine sleet May 18, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Not all time travel is controlled time travel

obsidian thistle May 18, 2020, 2:35 PM

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The ILBs one was not controlled.

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Total chance it happened

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Even luckier that Fragments of an AI even remained somewhat intact to arrive into 2004 and were not just scattered like junk code on the net

round comet May 18, 2020, 2:39 PM

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but in first strike, it just happened due to an anomaly in slipspace.

or......in Halo Silentium, the didact said that the power source of Requiem (and likely all other forerunner power sources), consume nascent universes, which obviously meant that they bent reality.

what if that artifact in first strike which caused the time travel/dilation was a forerunner power source?

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which bent reality, and so space and time?

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i think those artifacts are referred to as 'forerunner slipspace crystal shards'

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i think its possible, considering how easily the forerunners understood and handled slipstream space physics

obsidian thistle May 18, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Thats the thought tbh. The Crystal being more what the Forerunners use to go though slipspace.

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Reflecting it instead of riding it that the humans do or drilling through it like the covies.

near tide May 18, 2020, 4:05 PM

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How did chief survive until Infinite if he was floating in space for multiple years?

feral perch May 18, 2020, 4:06 PM

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how did Sgt. Johnson survive Halo CE after I betrayed him on the second level?

somber wave May 18, 2020, 4:07 PM

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tHeReS ClOnEs

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 4:07 PM

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How did chief survive until Infinite if he was floating in space for multiple years?
it's unlikely he's been floating for years

near tide May 18, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Isn't Infinite years after 5?

feral perch May 18, 2020, 4:10 PM

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How do you know how long Chief was floating in space?

teal schooner May 18, 2020, 4:10 PM

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5 was 2558 and infinite is 2560 or 2561 according to the armor bios in chiefs suit in the discover hope trailer

near tide May 18, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Either way he was in space a while to be at that halo ring

feral perch May 18, 2020, 4:11 PM

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You know there’s a novel coming out in September called Shadows of Reach, set in 2559.

near tide May 18, 2020, 4:11 PM

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It's not like he time warped

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Ah

feral perch May 18, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Dude, he could’ve been out there for days or even weeks, but not years

teal schooner May 18, 2020, 4:12 PM

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i think shadows of reach will definitely have something to do with infinite

near tide May 18, 2020, 4:12 PM

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But he would have to be in the state of some sort of stasis to survive

feral perch May 18, 2020, 4:12 PM

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How do you know he didn’t get to that area in a ship, and then the ship was blown up, leaving him stranded in space? @near tide

near tide May 18, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Which game?

feral perch May 18, 2020, 4:12 PM

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No game.

somber wave May 18, 2020, 4:13 PM

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something similar happens in H4

feral perch May 18, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Just whatever happened before Halo Infinite

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... what

teal schooner May 18, 2020, 4:13 PM

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the portal closed right when they escaped in halo 3 it wasnt blown up

feral perch May 18, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Halo Infinite is a sequel to Halo 5, not Halo 3

teal schooner May 18, 2020, 4:14 PM

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i know

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he said end of halo 3 the ship was blown up but it was the portal closing that left chief stranded

feral perch May 18, 2020, 4:14 PM

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That has nothing to do with Halo Infinite

near tide May 18, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Either way chief would've died in space unless his body was in stasis

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Some form of

feral perch May 18, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Mjolnir can protect the Chief for extended periods.

teal schooner May 18, 2020, 4:15 PM

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his suit went into lockdown when he was in space

near tide May 18, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Not for days

feral perch May 18, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Yes for days. His armor was in extreme life support mode

teal schooner May 18, 2020, 4:16 PM

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"main power cells are fried, auto shutdown, triggiring survival mode"- Pilot, Halo Infinite discover hope trailer

feral perch May 18, 2020, 4:18 PM

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This is GEN3 Mjolnir too. We don’t know what it’s capable of.

teal schooner May 18, 2020, 4:19 PM

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we'll probably find out more about gen 3 in infinite with something like intel, or even shadows of reach

carmine sleet May 18, 2020, 4:30 PM

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How did chief survive until Infinite if he was floating in space for multiple years?
Chief won't have been floating in space all that long to end up where he is. Plus, even with him being a Spartan, he wouldn't have lasted years stuck in his suit floating in space without air or water

queen otter May 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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It wouldn’t be years or even 1 year because the teaser trailer is 1 year before the official trailer

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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whut

queen otter May 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Yeah you heard it right

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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what are you on about?

queen otter May 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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If I’m not mistaken the teaser is like a year before the official trailer

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 4:45 PM

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the official trailer is the opening cutscene

queen otter May 18, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Unless I’m imagining stuff and watching too much YouTube

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 4:45 PM

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the E3 2018 trailer wasn't a trailer at all, it was a tech demo

queen otter May 18, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Okay then I’m imagining stuff postums

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 4:45 PM

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yep

queen otter May 18, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Then it’s safe to assume it’s been upwards of years until the Shadows of Reach comes out

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To tie some loose ends if any

lament hornet May 18, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Shadows of Reach releases in September

queen otter May 18, 2020, 4:47 PM

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...I know

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Shadows of Reach is supposed to take place 1 year after H5. Infinite's trailer says the last time Chief's suit was updated was 2561. so between H5 and Infinite, at least 2-3 years have passed. that's all we know

stoic hamlet May 18, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Shadows of Reach isn’t a lead in to Infinite. Just like how First Strike doesn’t lead into Halo 2.

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 6:47 PM

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One can only hope

carmine sleet May 18, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Ok, quick question, I'm right in saying that there are no Elite ranks where they wear green armour in any of the games, right?

stoic hamlet May 18, 2020, 6:48 PM

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I....think so? The only ones who wear green armour are grunts, IIRC.

carmine sleet May 18, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Aye, the Grunt Heavies

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Honestly, now I'm wondering if there's a similar class for Elites

stoic hamlet May 18, 2020, 6:49 PM

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I doubt it. Doesn’t fit their M.O

carmine sleet May 18, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Maybe

near tide May 18, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Elites use whatever

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Their classes are more based on the hierarchy than the weapons, minus rangers

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And spec ops

versed helm May 18, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I don't think that's the case. Certain classes seem to be prone to using certain weaponry from what I recall.

near tide May 18, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Well yes, but not as based on weaponry

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I may be wrong though

simple garnet May 18, 2020, 7:47 PM

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How do people flash their brain to make ai without dying and what are the consequences?

gilded mason May 18, 2020, 7:48 PM

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How do people flash their brain to make ai without dying
They can't

versed helm May 18, 2020, 7:51 PM

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I may be wrong though
You probably would be if the loadouts for the Elites in Firefight are canon.

near tide May 18, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Flash clones

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That's how cortana was made

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shes based on Halseys flash cloned brain

simple garnet May 18, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Ya

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But it’s like not allowed to do so does anyone know the consequences

gilded mason May 18, 2020, 8:02 PM

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so does anyone know the consequences
The host brain getting destroyed is the consequence, unless I'm misinterpreting what you're asking

simple garnet May 18, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Bro smh

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Not if they flash it

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It makes a copy without them dying

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That’s how Halsey makes Cortana without dying mate

gilded mason May 18, 2020, 8:04 PM

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By host brain, I am talking about whichever brain is actively being used, which in this case would be the cloned brain

simple garnet May 18, 2020, 8:04 PM

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What? Lol

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By consequences I mean what does the UNSC do about and stuff

gilded mason May 18, 2020, 8:12 PM

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I imagine the more exact consequences for it were discussed somewhere in the Kilo-5 trilogy, but it's been a while since I read the relevant parts, and the Halopedia section on the Mortal Dictata doesn't offer much in that regard

simple garnet May 18, 2020, 8:12 PM

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My dude writing a whole parpgah 👏

gilded mason May 18, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Ain't of much use lol

simple garnet May 18, 2020, 8:13 PM

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Dam thx tho it’s for a series of mine I’m probs just goin wing it tho

last anchor May 18, 2020, 8:13 PM

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If I had to guess? They either throw you in Midnight Facility or kill you.

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Killing sounds a bit much

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Prison sounds more likely

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Plus destruction of the illicit property. It Halsey is special and Cortana was special so they probably got a pass, at least until Halsey got arrested for war crimes. At that point they could jut roll in time for the illegal procedure

simple garnet May 18, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Thx guys

runic inlet May 18, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Did the Elites who didn’t fight in the war or in general still consider Humans an Enemy? I imagine they would be some angry relatives still mad with humanity for killing their loved ones

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Or are they just mad with the prophets for lying etc?

queen otter May 18, 2020, 8:46 PM

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I’d say both

hushed trail May 18, 2020, 8:52 PM

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i wonder why the forerunners built artifacts in planets like Reach

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 8:57 PM

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It’s more likely that humans were drawn to reach because forerunner stuff was there

hushed trail May 18, 2020, 8:57 PM

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yeah

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also alot of titanium was made for the unsc ships

jolly furnace May 18, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Also Reach was on Earth's metaphorical doorstep

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So its quick to get to by slispace relatively speaking

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and it didn't require full terraforming i think

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Forerunners inhabited Reach once for whatever reason

hushed trail May 18, 2020, 10:07 PM

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hm

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i want to know if planets can recover from being glassed

jolly furnace May 18, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Yes they can

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either naturally via time

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or intervention by an intellligent species

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I have a theory the Forerunners colonized Reach when they expanded towards humanity's territory in the ancient era and it was a factor in humanity expanding outwards away from Sol as a result

near yew May 18, 2020, 10:10 PM

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the human force have ships on halo or not?

carmine sleet May 18, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Humanity do have space ships, Joao

near yew May 18, 2020, 10:11 PM

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nooo water ships

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naval ships

jolly furnace May 18, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Yes

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U kinada need them for u know fishing and stuff

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and patrolling waters for pirates and stuff

near yew May 18, 2020, 10:15 PM

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ok

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goo nith

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obs: in my contry brazil now is nigh

jolly furnace May 18, 2020, 10:15 PM

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night then

versed helm May 18, 2020, 10:43 PM

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ships aren't really that useful, though, it's more space ships than water

near tide May 18, 2020, 10:51 PM

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yeah

near yew May 18, 2020, 11:42 PM

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ships aren't really that useful, though, it's more space ships than water
@versed helm that is true

cedar surge May 19, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Wet navy

clever fable May 19, 2020, 2:27 AM

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moist navy

stoic hamlet May 19, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Wet navy best navy.

Haven’t lost a Covenant engagement yet!

plush tinsel May 19, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Lol

torpid lily May 19, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Has the cockpit of the phantom ever been shown in the games or in a comic book?

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I’ve always wanted to know what it looks like inside there

gilded mason May 19, 2020, 3:26 AM

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I think there was Halo 2 concept art of a cocpit crosssection

torpid lily May 19, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Ok

gilded mason May 19, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Ah, this was what I was thinking of.
http://halo.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_phantomdropship/images/phantom-doj10.jpg

torpid lily May 19, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Wow

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I guess Mickey wasn’t lying about the boards being purple

dense falcon May 19, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Is ODST's legendary ending canon?

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I'm asking because on Halopedia's timeline for 2552, they never mentioned the Prophet of Truth got off the dreadnought just to check out the superintendent's data center. And it sounds wise to not get off the dreadnought.

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Not to mention New Mombasa was pretty much destroyed after that CAS cruiser jumped in and started digging the city. So is that scene really canon or just another Sgt. Johnson hug? thinkingchief

obsidian thistle May 19, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Yes

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Its canon

versed helm May 19, 2020, 6:56 AM

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How many civilians managed to make it out of New Mombasa?

carmine sleet May 19, 2020, 7:13 AM

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There aren't numbers but we can guess that quite a few managed to make it out during the Covenant invasion

versed helm May 19, 2020, 9:05 AM

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How many civilians managed to make it out of New Mombasa?
@versed helm

There's a comic that covers some of the escape plans if you're interested.

versed helm May 19, 2020, 9:58 AM

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Wasn't that the one with that dude who later got locked up in the Midnight Facility?

versed helm May 19, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Hmm, I don't think so.

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@versed helm It's called Second Sunrise Over New Mombasa.

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Give me a second

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Yep,it's the same dude who got locked up in the Midnight Facility

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https://www.halopedia.org/Benjamin_Giraud

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Has the Midnight Facility been compromised by Cortana yet or no?

slim thorn May 19, 2020, 10:35 AM

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How many civilians managed to make it out of New Mombasa?
@versed helm And Sadie is a part of those who manages to escape New Mombasa

obsidian thistle May 19, 2020, 11:10 AM

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110 minutes till new lore. :D I cant wait!

versed helm May 19, 2020, 11:42 AM

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New lore?

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For H2.

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Show me

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https://youtu.be/cF8g-xnJkVY

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@versed helm.

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So what's India like in the Halo universe?

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Bit random lmao.

versed helm May 19, 2020, 12:19 PM

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Is there any reason that the Halo Ring in Infinite has Brontotherium running around? (The "Space" Rhino) and the other lil mammals

Did the forerunners decide to keep random types of Xenobiology on their rings or is the Rhino and other ungulates/mammalians etc not actually evolved/formed on earth?

humble yacht May 19, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Any wildlife on a ring would have been essentially an aesthetic choice by the forerunners

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Delta Halo had fish and birds

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Could have also had other types of animals that we simply didn’t see

obsidian thistle May 19, 2020, 1:10 PM

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Some stuff is going down yo

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https://youtu.be/cF8g-xnJkVY

YouTube

HALO

ONI Archive – Changing Tides | Halo 2: Anniversary

As the Covenant arrived at humanity’s doorstep, another heroic line in the sand would be drawn. Led once more by the legendary efforts of the Master Chief, the UNSC fought back tooth and nail against the Covenant war machine, taking advantage of any element available to ensure...

▶ Play video

jolly furnace May 19, 2020, 1:17 PM

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@versed helm The Brontotherium are likely either transplanted from Earth to other planets by the Precursors as the Brontotherium went extinct on Earth long before the Forerunners were seeded and found later by the Forerunners and moved to the ring. Or the Precursors seeded Brontotherium on several planets and not just Earth and again were found by Forerunners later on and moved to the ring.

runic inlet May 19, 2020, 1:22 PM

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Some stuff is going down yo
@obsidian thistle Was that a hidden message at the end ?

jolly furnace May 19, 2020, 1:25 PM

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@versed helm Brontotheres lived in east Africa as late as 97,445 BCE.[1] They were among the creatures that were preserved as part of the Librarian's Conservation Measure.[1][2] At one point during the Librarian's last days on Earth before the firing of the Halo Array, a two-meter high brontothere was one of the animals that approached her, nuzzling her hand.[1] She surmised that they no longer had any fear since all the humans had been removed.[1]

Ok so they did exist on Earth still in Halo.

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I guess those were transplaneted to Earth from other planets then

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Cos again in RL they were extinct on Earth long before that

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If they wanna reconcile that issue, having them be brought to Earth from another world by Forerunners would do it

versed helm May 19, 2020, 1:26 PM

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Well yeah i was about to say the Precursor thing wasn't true since they just influence evolution not seed one species in multiple places

jolly furnace May 19, 2020, 1:26 PM

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They could though.

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Like nothing is stopping them

versed helm May 19, 2020, 1:27 PM

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They could but seeding one particular ungulate and a very rare one at that wouldn't make much sense for any planets ecosystem

jolly furnace May 19, 2020, 1:27 PM

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If you do it on one planet, you can do it on many

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The Precursors can just terraform a planet for that.

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They screw the laws of physics with their power

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Forerunners did terraforming all the time

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Anything they can do the Precusors can do better

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Heck the Forerunners somehow erased all traced of previous human technoglocially advanced habitation on Earth

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to the point, the fossil records don't show evidence of it.

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Such a thing would be utterly impossible in RL

versed helm May 19, 2020, 1:30 PM

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I'm pretty sure Earth still has its 500 million years of evolution in the halo universe
The precursors most likely started it but they didn't randomly introduce random xeno-forms

They don't seem that reckless

jolly furnace May 19, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Its not reckless when you can utterly control every aspect of

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it

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Precursors could have absolutely done this without issue

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Its unlikely the Bronto evolved naturally on another world to be identical or near-identical to Earth's own.

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So Precursor transplanting them to other worlds is the logical option

versed helm May 19, 2020, 1:32 PM

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... not really

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Individual planetary evolution is a lot more likely
Creating exact copies of evolutionary trees to get to a specific animal just to put it somewhere else makes no sense lol

jolly furnace May 19, 2020, 1:35 PM

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The Precursors by nature don't make sense

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Their powers don't

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Heck the Flood doesn't

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Halo i soft sci-fi

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Creating exact copies of evolutionary trees to get to a specific animal just to put it somewhere is well within Precursor capabilities. Heck its probably in Forerunners abilities aswell.

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Given Forerunners could mess with evolution too

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But as forerunners weren't around when Bronto was on Earth, they couldn't have brought them to other worlds.

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Ultimately I don't expect 343i to explain the them being on Earth in a time when they shouldn't be so.

versed helm May 19, 2020, 1:40 PM

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wasn't halo fired only 100,000 years before current day halo?

jolly furnace May 19, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Yeah there abouts

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123 technologically capable species were saved. Not all survived to present day

versed helm May 19, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Brontotherium is 33 million years old

jolly furnace May 19, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Yeah thats when they are estimated to have gone extinct

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33 million BCE

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They shouldn't be on Earth in 100,000 BCE as a result

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Either 343i is ignoring RL data on it

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Or they have an explanation for it

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But I don't expect one from them so im goin with the former option from them

last anchor May 19, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Maybe they were there and then they got wiped by the Array activation. But they left no fossil evidence.
So from our perspective they DID Die out 33 million years ago.

jolly furnace May 19, 2020, 5:20 PM

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We couldn't determine when they died out if there was no fossil evidence.

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The fossil evidence we do have would come from prior to the Array firing. It wouldn't effect those Bronto long dead and whos bones were deep in the ground.

last anchor May 19, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Exactly. The ones that died when the Array fired left nothing behind; turned to dust on the wind, same as most every other sentient being.

obsidian thistle May 19, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Today I made a cool discovery

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Noble Six was born on Jericho VII.

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Source: The Noble Team Menu background for MCC.

📎 EYZ4aMOXQAAvMFd.png

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Unfortunately the city was to blurry.

versed helm May 19, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I want it to remain ambiguous.

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I understand that you don't.

obsidian thistle May 19, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Tbh this was one thing I didnt mind lol

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It was just in a place I didnt expect lol

fair hazel May 19, 2020, 7:45 PM

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why would you want it to remain ambigious

versed helm May 19, 2020, 7:46 PM

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None of your business.

humble yacht May 19, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Lel

queen otter May 19, 2020, 8:06 PM

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None of your business.
@versed helm big meany

versed helm May 19, 2020, 8:11 PM

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The less I speak to mods, the better.

queen otter May 19, 2020, 8:13 PM

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Why is that?

carmine sleet May 19, 2020, 9:26 PM

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The less I speak to mods, the better.
You do realise that the mods here often love to join in with lore discussions, right?

versed helm May 19, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Doesn't mean I need to speak to them.

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Unless there is an issue.

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Anyway, people are saying there might be a second season for Hunt The Truth.

carmine sleet May 19, 2020, 9:40 PM

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You're not going to get into trouble for speaking with a mod in a casual setting like talking about lore and there was a second season of Hunt the Truth

feral perch May 19, 2020, 9:40 PM

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There was a second season for Hunt the Truth, Del

versed helm May 19, 2020, 9:40 PM

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There was?

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I didn't even know that, thanks for the information.

feral perch May 19, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Yep

humble yacht May 19, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Who had the worse fate: FERO or Ben?

jolly furnace May 19, 2020, 9:42 PM

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@last anchor It may vaporise the ones killed by the array but if they were still around after their supposed extinction in 33 million BCE, the fossils would show it. The Array killing a few living ones won't erase the fossil evidence deep beneath ground or the bones of dead Bronto

feral perch May 19, 2020, 9:42 PM

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FERO

carmine sleet May 19, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Ben, FERO has a quick death (Even if she did get used to make an AI afterwards) while Ben is going insane in one of the most secure ONI facilities

humble yacht May 19, 2020, 9:43 PM

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I count FERO’s AI as fero, for simplicity

feral perch May 19, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Maybe the Created uprising has changed Ben’s situation

humble yacht May 19, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Maybe it changed FERO’s

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😮

main siren May 19, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Ben. Getting captured and imprisoned to a solitary confinement in one of the most classified prisons is hell.

humble yacht May 19, 2020, 9:45 PM

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I dunno, reliving your death over and over is another form of hell

versed helm May 19, 2020, 9:48 PM

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You're not going to get into trouble for speaking with a mod in a casual setting like talking about lore

I don't enjoy talking to them, nor should I have to.

jolly furnace May 19, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Maybe Fero will free Ben

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If he's not dead

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Who relived their death over and over in Halo?

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Cos I know GLADOS isnt in Halo

versed helm May 19, 2020, 9:51 PM

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I guess maybe the infected?

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From the Flood, they're all mentally tortured in different ways.

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Some probably were tortured through that way.

last anchor May 19, 2020, 10:09 PM

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FERO's currently busy being an AI so.

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Also we...dont have an official name for the AI based on Maya Sankar's personlality Chimera, so FERO is as good a name for her as anything else

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And its a loooot less wordy than "the Maya Sankar Imprint AI."

feral perch May 19, 2020, 10:11 PM

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hey, don’t knock The Maya Sankar Imprint AI

fair hazel May 19, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Being rude isn't a great thing..

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Also I hope we get Fero AI in the future. Black box was still amazing.

versed helm May 19, 2020, 10:28 PM

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If it's a problem then let me know otherwise, I have no reason to speak with mods.

humble yacht May 19, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Who relived their death over and over in Halo?
FERO. After being turned into an AI, BB interrogated her, making her relive the events leading to her death so he could gather info. He then prepared to repeat the process to get more info

jolly furnace May 19, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Ah yes the FLood have many ways to torture its victims in the hivemind

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Yeah the flood hivemind is basically hell

versed helm May 20, 2020, 12:16 AM

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What other new lore bits are there?

jolly furnace May 20, 2020, 12:32 AM

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i dunno

fair hazel May 20, 2020, 1:50 AM

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well the video from above, victor

versed helm May 20, 2020, 5:39 AM

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343pls

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please bring back the halo ce sandbox elements

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 5:41 AM

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that's not lore postums

versed helm May 20, 2020, 5:41 AM

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ah yes wrong channel

terse lava May 20, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Speaking of that, would there by any canon reason on why only the CE plasma rifle can stun? Outside of just a model variant of course

solar lily May 20, 2020, 8:47 AM

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i hope h6 is like a really hard reset

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to clean up a lot of the lore in general

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the same way star wars reset when the mouse took over

carmine sleet May 20, 2020, 8:48 AM

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Halo Infinite isn't going to be resetting the lore

solar lily May 20, 2020, 8:48 AM

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one can hope

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https://www.halopedia.org/List_of_inconsistencies_in_the_Halo_series

carmine sleet May 20, 2020, 8:49 AM

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No, as in it's confirmed that they are not resetting the lore

solar lily May 20, 2020, 8:50 AM

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The Master Chief is our hero and Halo Infinite will continue his decades long saga. While we plan to introduce important new characters -- like the resilient Pilot you already met in the video -- this story is the Master Chief’s. The universe will continue the continuity of Halo 5 and in that sense contain the adventures that led up to this moment, but in the pursuit of our “spiritual reboot” and the launch of a new console, we also want to make sure that this is a perfect starting point for new players too. This story will mark the beginning of a new chapter and challenge for the Chief, but it will also respect and continue threads that led to this point. If you’ve never played a Halo game before, this will be a great place to jump into the story. You’re arriving in the middle a universe at war, with a sense of history underlying your entry into the world. But it will also feel fresh, full of potential, and new adventure. We will weave in context and guideposts to understand your place in a new universe. But if you’ve invested in Halo for all these years, you’ll feel immediately at home – and some of our story moments will spark a different resonance for your investment.

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this feels like more than enough of a "reboot" for me

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also it's clear how much he is dancing around the fact lore is definitely being changed

versed helm May 20, 2020, 8:51 AM

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I really hope we don't get a reboot.

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That would just be a waste of time resources spent developing books, lore and set pieces.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 8:52 AM

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i mean so much of halo is inconsistent, retcons itself, etc

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those books are still there

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Reach (the game) heavily changes the characterization of the Spartans (from the books)

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they're totally, totally different

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idk how a fan can look at those and not want things fixed up

carmine sleet May 20, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Nothing in that large paragraph indicates that they are resetting the lore

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Spiritual reboots don't deal with restarting something completely, they deal with changing a tone of something to make it spiritually feel different

versed helm May 20, 2020, 8:54 AM

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I don't agree but I understand why you have that stance. @solar lily

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I personally didn't mind it myself.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 8:54 AM

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but it will also respect and continue threads that led to this point.

some of our story moments will spark a different resonance for your investment

if you don't see what's coming @carmine sleet ... well it's gonna be painful

carmine sleet May 20, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Neither of those quotes indicate they are resetting anything

versed helm May 20, 2020, 8:55 AM

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If it respects and continues threads then it is hardly a reboot.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 8:55 AM

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oh sweet summer children

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it's gonna be tough at first

carmine sleet May 20, 2020, 8:55 AM

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some of our story moments will spark a different resonance for your investment
Tell me how this means that we are getting a complete reboot

solar lily May 20, 2020, 8:56 AM

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never said a complete reboot

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it's just 100% gonna be more cleaned up than you appear to allow for

carmine sleet May 20, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Ok, but that isn't what that quote indicates at all

solar lily May 20, 2020, 8:57 AM

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i've seen this happen countless times, well. nothing more to be said

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you'll see

carmine sleet May 20, 2020, 8:58 AM

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That quote is talking about how some moments will feel different for players who have been invested in Halo for a long time compared to players who have just started

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It is not an indication of any sort of reset of the lore

solar lily May 20, 2020, 8:59 AM

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if there were any intention of this not being at bare minimum a soft reboot, they would have indicated such by saying concretely "this is not a soft reboot, and the lore will remain the same"

this would not be left as "respecting" "threads" ambiguously and arbitrarily

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this is how it works

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and it will be a better halo, i'd wager

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:02 AM

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What's your definition of a reboot?

carmine sleet May 20, 2020, 9:03 AM

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it will also respect and continue threads that led to this point
This is not an indication that the lore is getting reset at all. You don't respect something by resetting it

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:03 AM

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I'd say a soft reboot is what the MCU did after the first Hulk movie

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:03 AM

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That's an example.

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Not a definition.

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I want to know your interpretation of a reboot.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:05 AM

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: an entry in the universe of a series, or a new universe in an IP, that either restarts the series at its origin point or reimagines aspects of the story up to a developed point

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Okay because the way you were describing your points before, made it sound like Episode 7 to SW a reboot.

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As for Infinite, we simply do not know enough information.

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They could easily retcon certain events that were regarded as flawed or inconsistent.

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But that wouldn't make it a reboot in my eyes.

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Since that's like claiming Reach was a reboot to Fall of Reach's narrative.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:08 AM

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i think seeing what the MCU did and seeing what Cod2019 did will heavily influence them

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:08 AM

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I really hope not.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:08 AM

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both are massive successes...

carmine sleet May 20, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Modern Warfare from 2019 is a complete reboot

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:09 AM

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I think we're going off topic.

carmine sleet May 20, 2020, 9:09 AM

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I'm just saying that it would be a bad example to use for a "soft/spiritual reboot"

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:09 AM

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I'm not disagreeing with you.

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But it would probably be wise to discuss this further in the #483759756566069258 chat.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:11 AM

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i think it fits better here by a hair

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"discuss the constantly expanding halo universe"

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i think what people don't get about sci fi is how stories really do often run their course

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matrix trilogy only had one way to go after the first movie: solidifying the lore after a very vague, ambiguous first foray. this left a lot of people mad. the same way a lot of people were mad at the h4 and h5 campaigns

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there really was nowhere left to go besides making up kind of ridiculous new characters to fight

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:14 AM

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I haven't seen the other 2 Matrix films.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:14 AM

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they're underrated for sure

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:14 AM

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Meh.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:14 AM

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but they're not gonna have the same stuff as matrix 1... because that's all there was

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:14 AM

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Anyway, I'd rather they just rectify previous events rather than simply start again.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:14 AM

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halo trilogy was really the meat of the concept. there isn't anything else with the established lore

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stories that are created from the onset to have 4, 5, 6, 7 etc entries, that are structured that way, are very rare and special. that's why harry potter was so popular

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yet halo's entries after 3 were so heavily criticized narratively

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:16 AM

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I'd say H4 was well received for its narrative.

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I was indifferent to its narrative, my gripe was its art style.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:16 AM

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nobody i know irl even remembers a single thing about the h4 campaign and we played every game thoroughly, even the pc games, and read the books

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i literally cannot recall one thing about it

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it's like Thor 2 to me

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:17 AM

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That's a personal experience.

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It doesn't represent the mass reception.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:19 AM

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metacritic scores back me up

runic inlet May 20, 2020, 9:19 AM

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Halo 5’s campaign makes me appreciate Halo 4’s a lot more now

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:19 AM

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Ah yes Metacritic, review bomb central.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:20 AM

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was review bombing a thing back in 2012?

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:20 AM

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I have no idea.

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I just don't take Metacritic seriously.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:20 AM

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fair

runic inlet May 20, 2020, 9:21 AM

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HW2 was decent

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:21 AM

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idk what other metric to use though

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Hmm, let's see.

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I'll see if I can find a good source, maybe the MS Store page?

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4.3 stars out of 5 there and 104 reviews were submitted.

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2.8 for H5.

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2,000 reviews so take that into consideration.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:23 AM

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https://www.pcgamer.com/halo-games-ranked/

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:24 AM

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PC Gamer have been silly in the past.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:24 AM

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everyone has been, but they're still one of the best in my mind

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:24 AM

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I understand.

solar lily May 20, 2020, 9:24 AM

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https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/best-halo-games/

versed helm May 20, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Anyway, from what I've heard, H4 was regarded as a good game in terms of its campaign.

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Not so much for its PvP.

runic inlet May 20, 2020, 10:06 AM

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Halo 5 had a PvP

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Story not so much

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Good pvp*

versed helm May 20, 2020, 10:11 AM

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I was just comparing the reception.

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And even then, we have no official confirmation for lore being retconned in Infinite.

versed helm May 20, 2020, 10:40 AM

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a 'spiritual reboot' does not mean the lore being reset.

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the lore will stay the same, thats not even a question.

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think of it this way, the halo franchise has been in an identity crisis for the last 10 years.

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I'd say they went on the right track with HW2.

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Ye

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HW2 is a strategy game and a spin off title

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infinite is FPS and a mainline title

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a bit of a difference there

lament hornet May 20, 2020, 10:59 AM

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I mean, it doesn't matter what HW2 is, the story is still canon and will tie into Infinite

versed helm May 20, 2020, 11:02 AM

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Exactly.

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so yes by spiritual reboot, they mean they're bringing back everything which made people fall in love with halo in the first place

which starts with the art style, they totally changed the entire style of halo in 4 an 5, usually for the worse.
what we've seen so far is not fully identical to the original trilogy, but its really similar. THAT is what theyre doing, make it similar to the og trilogy, with elements from 4 and 5 as well.

then, comes the gameplay.
again, both 4 an then especially 5 felt totally different to many people, so by 'spiritual reboot' they mean they're going to make it feel identical to the OG trilogy, with a few elements from 4 an 5.

in no ways does 'spiritual reboot' mean that theyre going to reset the lore and the narrative.

I mean, it doesn't matter what HW2 is, the story is still canon and will tie into Infinite
@lament hornet again, the lore and narrative will stay the same.
the term 'spiritual reboot' is directed purely towards the gameplay and the artstyle and the music etc. and NOT towards the narrative and the lore.

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@versed helm ^

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and a strategy game's gameplay is quite different from an FPS's gameplay btw.

lament hornet May 20, 2020, 11:14 AM

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I thought you were meaning how the story is told and what we learn, that's all I was commenting on

versed helm May 20, 2020, 11:15 AM

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oh well alright yes HW2's storytelling felt similar to halo 2 thats for sure

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halo 5's god-awful storytelling was more of a massive misstep and less of a 'change'.

versed helm May 20, 2020, 12:00 PM

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@versed helm This is obvious, but I'm referring to the direction, tone and art style of the game.

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It fits pretty well with the classic games if you ask me.

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But that's subjective.

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 12:33 PM

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I think y’all have shifted ever so slightly from the topic of this channel

versed helm May 20, 2020, 12:41 PM

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yes

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So since plasma weapons are essentially generators, they need the gas to fire them.

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Are the explosive canisters scattered around armaments supplies of said gas?

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 1:05 PM

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It’s possible that the weapon uses the surrounding air and ionizes it into a launchable projectile

versed helm May 20, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Hmm, that sounds like it could be an inefficient process, especially since gases have different properties.

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Plus, their atoms are ionised in varying ways.

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If the planetary atmosphere (like Earth) has multiple gases, it could produce varying effects.

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Especially if the weapon is designed to ionise a particular gas.

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Unless they can detect which protons or electrons need to be removed from the atom?

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Removing protons would change the element postums

versed helm May 20, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Yeah, forget the proton part lmao.

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Ionization typically occurs through addition/removal of electrons. Messing with protons is a lot harder

versed helm May 20, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Do you know if the weapons can detect how many electrons must be lost or gained for the atom to be ionised?

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 1:31 PM

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No

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But all you need to ionize is add or remove 1

versed helm May 20, 2020, 1:31 PM

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Alright.

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 1:32 PM

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Certain elements need certain numbers of electrons added/removed to be stable ions

versed helm May 20, 2020, 1:32 PM

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I still believe they use certain gases because of the brute plasma rifle existing.

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Then again, the process for the gun is that it is stripping the atom of its electrons, yes?

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For it to form the projectile with the magnetic field?

carmine sleet May 20, 2020, 1:35 PM

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The Brute Plasma Rifle likely doesn't need a different gas to the standard Plasma Rifle. The changes are likely ones made to the mechanisms for the weapon's ability to fire

versed helm May 20, 2020, 1:36 PM

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How does it change the colour of its projectile?

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A byproduct of the acceleration effect?

carmine sleet May 20, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Could be temperature of the projectile or just some other, unexplained reason

versed helm May 20, 2020, 1:41 PM

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I see, so it has not been established.

carmine sleet May 20, 2020, 1:43 PM

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Not properly

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The closest we can get is by looking at energy swords but the temperature explanation doesn't make sense for most the sword colours

versed helm May 20, 2020, 1:47 PM

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It's why I think it is based off of the element, personally.

carmine sleet May 20, 2020, 1:48 PM

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Honestly, it's one of those things I wish was more fleshed out

versed helm May 20, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Okay.

versed helm May 20, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Are the colonies still under UNSC martial law?

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As of 2561?

carmine sleet May 20, 2020, 3:51 PM

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UNSC martial law? Not likely. If anything, most will be controlled by Cortana

main siren May 20, 2020, 3:52 PM

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I would think by the time of 2561, most colonies will be under the ''mercy'' of the Created

versed helm May 20, 2020, 3:52 PM

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With her Created?

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Ah.

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So she is claiming control because she doesn't want collateral damage caused by her?

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Does this technically make them a part of The Created?

fair hazel May 20, 2020, 4:03 PM

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The created kinda took over the known galaxy

versed helm May 20, 2020, 4:05 PM

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What's included in its military?

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Prometheans

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human AI

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Species subjugated by the created are not part of the created

versed helm May 20, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Ah, you know this situation reminds me of what happened to Thel.

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Almost like a parallel of what happened with the Elites and the Prophets in H1-3 but instead it is the humans and their AI.

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 4:13 PM

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I don’t see a parallel

versed helm May 20, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Okay.

fair hazel May 20, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Also commandeered ships and stuff

versed helm May 20, 2020, 4:35 PM

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People are saying they're scrapping that. Personally, I think they're going to get a small change, like adding all the enemies we've fought in previous games (Elites, grunts, hunters, etc.)

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I don’t see elites joining the created, esp not their military forces

versed helm May 20, 2020, 4:40 PM

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There are some even in SoS who worship the Forerunners.

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I can see some joining The Created.

fair hazel May 20, 2020, 4:50 PM

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I don’t see the created allowing the races to join the created.

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Allow them to manufacture stuff and so on for created? Ok. But fight in front lines? Don’t see that happening

spiral jewel May 20, 2020, 4:51 PM

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For the Created having been around for three years ( 2558-2561), they've undoubtedly caused a lot of damage.

remote gust May 20, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Did the Sangheilis were relevant during the BCE era? Like, Humans and San'Shyumms were really important during the time Forerunners were around, we all know that. But what about the Elites? Do we know anything about the BCE Sangheilis?

feral perch May 20, 2020, 5:19 PM

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They had a lifespan of about 30 years back then so I’d say no

last anchor May 20, 2020, 5:28 PM

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The Created are the Created, no one gets to join them.
They've replaced the Forerunners, basically.
You didnt get to join the Forerunners, you got the auspices of them, but you didnt join them.

remote gust May 20, 2020, 5:36 PM

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They had a lifespan of about 30 years back then so I’d say no
@feral perch That's all we know?

feral perch May 20, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Yep

gilded mason May 20, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Though cut lines from the Didact show that he was familiar with them, and that they apparently had some other "form"

feral perch May 20, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Tail Elites pls

gilded mason May 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Heck naw

feral perch May 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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I want to chop off those tails in glorious combat

gilded mason May 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Nice

versed helm May 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Don't need more excuses for them to be compared to dinosaurs.

gilded mason May 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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But kinky

remote gust May 20, 2020, 5:48 PM

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I've read on a forum on Waypoint that the Didact use them to hunt down Archeohominos after the Human-Forerunner war.

jolly furnace May 20, 2020, 6:19 PM

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There's indicaton the Sangheili were a spacefaring race in forerunner era in canon

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Yes there was that cut dialogue that suggested many possibilities

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But its cut so its not canon whatever that line intended

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Its theorized that maybe Elites could have been a subject species in forerunner era and could have been among those species used to route out any surviving humans after CH fell

versed helm May 20, 2020, 6:28 PM

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I really hope we don't fight more Prometheans.

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I'm so sick of them.

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But we shall have to see.

deep pewter May 20, 2020, 6:29 PM

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It wouldn’t really make sense for them to be gone

versed helm May 20, 2020, 6:30 PM

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That's what concerns me.

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It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when and how".

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 6:32 PM

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I’d be more concerned if prometheans just vanished

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Wouldn’t really make sense

versed helm May 20, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Obviously.

near tide May 20, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Prometheans are boring to fight

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 6:49 PM

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I think they’re fine, could use tweaking but they’re not that different from fighting covenant

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Certainly more dynamic than flood

versed helm May 20, 2020, 6:50 PM

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I don't find their ability to teleport a very fun mechanic.

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The Watchers are pretty cool though.

feral perch May 20, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Watchers are boring/annoying

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They just fly away when you shoot them and they repair/revive Knights

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Sounds like appropriate behavior for a support unit

versed helm May 20, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Lmao.

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Wow, they do their job effectively? That's terrible.

jolly furnace May 20, 2020, 6:53 PM

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I like the Prometheans

gilded mason May 20, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Though of course, you'd then run into the issue that StoneWall talked about. Should appropriateness impact fun?

feral perch May 20, 2020, 6:54 PM

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I could see Cortana massively revamping Prometheans

gilded mason May 20, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Yeah

versed helm May 20, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Their ability to revive gives an incentive to target them first.

feral perch May 20, 2020, 6:54 PM

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But they ought to be in the game for continuity’s sake

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 6:55 PM

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If watchers didn’t flee upon getting attacked then people would call it bad AI

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You can’t win

feral perch May 20, 2020, 6:55 PM

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just make Watchers absolutely terrifying.

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Also watchers don’t revive anymore

feral perch May 20, 2020, 6:55 PM

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If they see you, you die. Jackal Sniper 2.0

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 6:55 PM

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They can heal damaged units

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Jackal snipers are not an enemy to be used as inspiration

versed helm May 20, 2020, 6:55 PM

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You can't win with most fans anymore, unless they get Halo 3 2 lmao.

feral perch May 20, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Jackal Snipers are okay

versed helm May 20, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Not on H2 legendary they're not.

near tide May 20, 2020, 6:57 PM

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they 1 hit

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 6:57 PM

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They’re either frustrating or boring

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Never fun

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Once you learn their positions, they lose the surprise factor that makes you jump

versed helm May 20, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Might as well launch CoD if you like testing your reflexes like that.

near tide May 20, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Can a high ranking elite in legendary tank a fully charged spartan laser?

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Probably?

versed helm May 20, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Laser doesn't exist in H2.

near tide May 20, 2020, 6:58 PM

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But in 3

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or Reach

versed helm May 20, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Yeah, my bad lol.

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Or 4, or 5

near tide May 20, 2020, 6:59 PM

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In reach they may be able to

versed helm May 20, 2020, 6:59 PM

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They survive being stuck.

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At Ultra rank.

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 6:59 PM

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They tank sniper shots and even rockets on legendary

near tide May 20, 2020, 7:00 PM

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laser more damaging than rocket I think

versed helm May 20, 2020, 7:04 PM

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You could test it if you really wanted to.

humble yacht May 20, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Yep

simple locust May 20, 2020, 8:44 PM

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So do we know if the Forerunner civil wars mostly in space or ground battles?

fair hazel May 20, 2020, 8:58 PM

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i find that prometheans were a bit too nerfed in 5. But yeah, them vanishing would be like.. what? I do like the adjustements for the way knights are in 5 though. But that was reported on Oban so before Cortana.

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The civil war we know the forerunners had, introduced the supressor if I recall. But not much is known

jolly furnace May 20, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Both

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I mean forerunners would fight on ground and space

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We've seen sites of these civil wars

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Or monuments to them

simple locust May 20, 2020, 10:44 PM

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How would the combat for the war vary on the ground when the builders fight the warrior servants and miners?

versed helm May 21, 2020, 1:43 AM

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@versed helm

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Geas (pronounced geSH), also called genesong,[2] was a Forerunner term that referred to a genetic command imposed on an organism or species. Under the influence of a geas, an organism could be given a set of subconscious orders that would either be specific to that organism, or passed on to their children, in some cases lasting several generations. Only highly skilled Forerunner Lifeworkers, such as the Librarian, were capable of creating a geas. Forerunner students of the Mantle also hypothesized that the Precursors may have imposed a geas on the Forerunners themselves

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Why would they add this

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no idea

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It totally diminishes the achievement of the spartan program though

clever fable May 21, 2020, 1:45 AM

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Nah

versed helm May 21, 2020, 1:45 AM

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Humanity didnt create or achieve anything, the forerunners planted a genetic order and they were always going to do it

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 1:46 AM

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Not really, no.

clever fable May 21, 2020, 1:46 AM

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There wasn't any explicit order for those achievements. And they've done far better before the UNSC anyway.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 1:47 AM

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The librarian outright says it in 4

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 1:47 AM

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No she doesn't

clever fable May 21, 2020, 1:47 AM

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She doesn't

versed helm May 21, 2020, 1:47 AM

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She says the spartan program is a result of a geas, yes she does

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 1:47 AM

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Not really, no

clever fable May 21, 2020, 1:47 AM

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The cutscene you're referencing is not explicit in that, she states that it's the result of the suggestions of the geas. That's how geas work.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 1:47 AM

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That's really stupid lol

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 1:47 AM

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The Geas implanted in Humanity was put there to put Humanity on the path to inheriting the Mantle. It didn't lay out a specific path.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 1:49 AM

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Chief will just be a god or something at the end of 6

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He already is because of the didacts genes or w.e

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 1:49 AM

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He doesn't have the Didact's genes

versed helm May 21, 2020, 1:50 AM

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Even if its outright stated, now theres a deus ex machina where he can asspull survival because of what happened in 4 idk. It was an overexplanation no one really asked for. The idea of composing is cool, but the space magic immunity isnt

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 1:51 AM

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It was kinda necessary after Halo 3 made Forerunners and Humans different species.

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And honestly I had no problem with it.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 1:52 AM

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cool

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Do the books conflict with any of this like the early books do

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idk, the last books i read were the forerunner saga nothing after that

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 1:53 AM

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They do not conflict, no

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If anything, they work together rather nicely.

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In "Halo: The Flood", the Chief notes a sense of familiarity when interacting with the control panel for the light bridge.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 1:56 AM

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Reach book + Reach game conflicted pretty bad but they updated the book

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 1:56 AM

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Retroactively this can be interpreted as being caused by his gaes

versed helm May 21, 2020, 1:56 AM

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no it doesnt, its familiar because it looks the same as the forerunner artifact in The Fall of Reach

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 1:56 AM

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The 2010 updates to "The Fall of Reach" don't really do anything to bridge it and Halo Reach

versed helm May 21, 2020, 1:56 AM

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Also yeah the update to TFoR dont really fix any of the conflicts

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 1:57 AM

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@versed helm no artifact on Reach is mentioned in "The Flood"

versed helm May 21, 2020, 1:57 AM

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I actually dont know the differences and i read both

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I think it was just a reprint but it even has the same typos

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@limpid meadow Yeah, its mentioned in The Fall of Reach

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Before he had Cortana

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 1:57 AM

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John never encounters an Forerunner artifact on Reach

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No Forerunner artifacts are mentioned in "The Fall of Reach"

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And even if they were, it's never mentioned in "The Flood"

versed helm May 21, 2020, 1:59 AM

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yeah ok

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you're wrong but im not gonna argue lol

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 1:59 AM

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The display’s shimmering geometric patterns nagged at him, as if he should recognize them somehow. Even with his enhanced memory, he couldn’t place where he’d seen them before. They just seemed . . . familiar.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 1:59 AM

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They absolutely do find forerunner artifacts in TFoR, they dont know its forerunner though and just move on.

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Straight from "The Flood"

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No mention of Reach before or after it.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 2:00 AM

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I never said he mentioned reach

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I said he recognized it because of it

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 2:01 AM

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How do you know he's referencing something from Reach if it isn't mentioned in the book?

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Cite your sources!

versed helm May 21, 2020, 2:01 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Sigma_Octanus_IV_artifact

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ok

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🤡

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 2:02 AM

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Okay, I thought you were talking about something on Reach.

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Regardless, I don't see how you get a sense of familiarity between a rock with some markings and a holographic display.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 2:02 AM

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I always assumed that was why it "seemed familiar" and it went without outright saying

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 2:03 AM

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He was again struck by an odd near-familiarity with the glowing controls.

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I just don't get going from a rock to holograms

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It's the controls that he feels a familiarity with.

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At the time, this was a hint at the Human-Forerunner connection.

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Retroactively, it can be interpreted as his gaes

versed helm May 21, 2020, 2:05 AM

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i was 11 and literally my first thought when he started talking about it being familiar was "wow its like that artifact in the last book"

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Cool. That's certainly a valid way to look at it.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 2:06 AM

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This geas thing is dumb. Chief is supposed to be a lucky jack of all trades not literally chosen by the space gods

limpid meadow May 21, 2020, 2:07 AM

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He isn't literally chosen

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Any Spartan could have found their way to Requiem and gotten the same treatment.

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Chief just happened to be the one that did.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 2:25 AM

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I'm pretty sure he was chosen for being the "Peak of Humanity"
Since he's technincally the 'best' Spartan/human
Obviously some Spartans excel at some select things but he's just great at everything

jolly fractal May 21, 2020, 3:15 AM

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The boat in halo

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Tactical

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The og machine gun turret shield

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U N I V E R S E

last anchor May 21, 2020, 3:59 AM

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I’m

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Not sure what that means?

jolly fractal May 21, 2020, 4:19 AM

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There a boat in halo

round depot May 21, 2020, 4:20 AM

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Running through Gravemind, noticed some tiny bugs in the prison area, do they have a name and/or purpose?

versed helm May 21, 2020, 4:21 AM

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According to the book he isn't "Great at everything" he's just average, which means he lives the longest instead of taking risks I guess? Which is considered being "lucky"

terse lava May 21, 2020, 4:40 AM

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@round depotwhile never said to be the same creature, Contact Harvest talks of small bugs called "scrub grubs," which were known to eat through wires and generally considered a pest by the Covenant.

round depot May 21, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Interesting, thanks

terse lava May 21, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Welcome

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:01 AM

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@versed helm What makes Master Chief the best is his determination to win and his uncanny ability to be a jack of all trades, the man is literally a legend to other Spartan II's lol,
Just because you aren't the best in one particular field doesn't mean you can't be fantastic in all other fields

Him being "lucky" is what Halsey calls him because he never seems to lose

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He's not my favorite Spartan but I acknowledge he is still the best

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:10 AM

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I like grey team personally

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And noble team

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:10 AM

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i think in terms of over-all ability, fred is the best.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:10 AM

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John has luck tho

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:10 AM

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theres no such thing a 'luck'.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Tell that to halsey and cortana

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Cortana chose John because he was the luckiest. He wasn't best at anything else

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Spartan Will was a badass

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:12 AM

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They don't literally mean luck

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Tho

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Not many people can kill a hunter by ripping multiple Lekgolo out of it

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:13 AM

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i dont think something like 'luck' exists. its just a social belief.(like god, religion, ghosts, spirits etc.)

reef estuary May 21, 2020, 5:14 AM

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it could just be the writers acknowledging his plot armour 🙂

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:14 AM

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@versed helm What makes Master Chief the best is his determination to win and his uncanny ability to be a jack of all trades, the man is literally a legend to other Spartan II's lol,
Just because you aren't the best in one particular field doesn't mean you can't be fantastic in all other fields

Him being "lucky" is what Halsey calls him because he never seems to lose
@versed helm

perfect explanation.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Which spartan 2 was the best fighter

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:14 AM

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id say fred.

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I can kinda agree that "Fred is the best" but they're pretty much identical in most areas lol

He just wants Chief to lead for some reason

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:15 AM

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He respects chief as a leader

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Idk about legend, all the other spartans are dead and everyone left disrespects him

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Except blue team

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He's treated like a dog in 4 and 5

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He respects chief as a leader
more as a brother.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Grey team, naomi, many spartans are alive @versed helm

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Well some

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And blue, red, and omega teams

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:16 AM

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most died on reach. single greatest defeat in mankind's history

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Anyway, do you think fred could kill atriox 1v1

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:17 AM

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yes. he could.

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prolly wont be easy lol.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Atriox did curbstomp red team. But they were inexperienced bc so much time in cryo

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:18 AM

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They were also Spartan washouts

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:18 AM

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No

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Yes

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They were able to be rehabilitated afterwards

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Jerome, Alice, and Douglas had augmentations when fighting atriox

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:19 AM

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fred CAN beat atriox 1v1, will be tough but he's more than capable and i see him winning

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Palmer can rip lekgolo our too

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Yes but their augmentations are weaker because they were washouts, their augmentations got rejected the first time around

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aka they had to go through doom guy surgery twice

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Uh empire. That’s not accurate about him being treated I. 4 and 5

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Uh nothing to to indicate the augmentations and results are weaker afterwards neo

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I think linda takes the best spartan cake.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:21 AM

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Wtf

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:21 AM

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They are stated as not being as nailed down, they can preform nearly the same as a Spartan II tho

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:21 AM

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Only john was hy0erlethal

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:21 AM

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That was a marketing term

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:21 AM

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And 4's had worse augmentations. Gen2 armour compensated for that

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On the wiki

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:22 AM

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All spartans are hyper lethal

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:22 AM

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^

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4s are rip-offs of Dr Halsey's work.

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:22 AM

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And. I’m talking about the washouts

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:22 AM

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even 3s to some extent.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:22 AM

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Well 2's could take on 4's any day

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Yep

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To fabrr

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Faber

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:23 AM

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Most 3's, she didn't actually know Noble team in Reach, she only knew George lol

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:23 AM

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“Rip offs”
The Orion project lead to the spartan II which lead to the III which lead to the IV

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Jorge is a II..

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:23 AM

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I want a game where you play as Black team on the jackal asteroid

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I want a game where you play as Black team on the jackal asteroid
@versed helm THIS

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Wow what an idea

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im talking in terms of technical quality. even Halsey acknowledged the fact that they are poor copies aka rip-offs.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:24 AM

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Yes

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:24 AM

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Spartan 4's are legal Spartans technically
Putting kids through torture with like a 40% death rate isn't exactly viable since everybody is now well aware of Spartans

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I think it'd be really cool

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it would certainly play to 343's strengths more than making mainline games tbh

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Black team is dead anyway

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Unless u mean grey

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Yeah so is noble team

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They still made a game about it

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:25 AM

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They were made for the reach game

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Plus black aren't important Canonically

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Aside from being sirvivors of the war

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:26 AM

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was it grey team or black team on the asteroid

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Who cares if they're important itd be a cool game

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Grey

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In the book cole protocol

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Spartan 4's are legal Spartans technically
Putting kids through torture with like a 40% death rate isn't exactly viable since everybody is now well aware of Spartans

spartan2s were made unethically but they are the best spartans.
spartan4s were made legally and with proper ethical moral, but they are poor copies. and halsey is not exactly proud of the fact that she kidnapped them so.

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the odsts were totally irrelevant, the engineer storyline wasnt even used and they disappeared from the franchise

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:27 AM

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they disappeared from the franchise
Nah

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:27 AM

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No one cares about black team tbh

carmine sleet May 21, 2020, 5:27 AM

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Who cares if they're important itd be a cool game
I'd rather they tell new stories in the games than try adapting the novels

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:28 AM

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We've seen more of Alpha-Nine in New Blood and Bad Blood.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Yesssss

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:28 AM

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the odsts were totally irrelevant, the engineer storyline wasnt even used and they disappeared from the franchise

its a spin-off title. something like irrelevancy can be expected. its all for the lore.

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and they didnt disappear.

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:29 AM

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They are not “poor copies”

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:29 AM

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im using the words halsey used.

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Just because in your opinion you don’t like or care about something doesn’t mean it’s irrelevant.

And I’m talking in general

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:30 AM

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id personally just call them inferior spartans.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Fun fact: Grey team has the highest kill count from the covie war

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Too soon.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:31 AM

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How many did they kill?

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Billions

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In a day

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:31 AM

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They were a bit responsible for murdering a lot of people

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:31 AM

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So did the covenant, they killed like 20 billion

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Yeah

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Covies deserved it

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Even ones that didn't kill anyone?

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Look at the outer and inner colonies, billions of dead innocents

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:32 AM

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The Covenant killed 23 billion people
I don't think grey team killed that many

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:32 AM

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I meant for a group

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No single or squad of anyone else had that many

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:35 AM

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The Covenant killed 23 billion people
I don't think grey team killed that many

how many of the 23 billion people were UNSC military.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Some

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So what

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Sangheili live as warriors

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:35 AM

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i think its wild that theres covie sympathizers 5 years after the war lmao

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:35 AM

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They quote can be interpreted in different ways.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:35 AM

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How many on glyke were military

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Some amount do

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Vale was mildly infuriating

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Either they meant the covenant killed that many people. Or killed that many soldiers

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:36 AM

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i think its wild that theres covie sympathizers 5 years after the war lmao```
It makes sense

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:36 AM

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It doesn't

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They just killed that many people

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:36 AM

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So, the number of dead might be more than 23 billion

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:36 AM

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One major disappointment in halo was the death of the imperial admiral

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:36 AM

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I think CIA has pointed out that interpretation before.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:36 AM

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So, the number of dead might be more than 23 billion
@fair hazel totally

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:36 AM

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If not someone else

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Maybe it was cia

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:37 AM

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How many on glyke were military```
All we know is it was "home to billions of Sangheili residents, both civilians and military."

reef estuary May 21, 2020, 5:37 AM

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it doesn't make sense for covenant sympathisers to exist, when humanity was barely surviving in a conflict focused purely on genocide

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:37 AM

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The quote doesn’t say total human casualties civilian and military.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Its ironic that unsc could wipe out the covenant

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Easily

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Not really, no.

gusty star May 21, 2020, 5:38 AM

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I wouldn’t say easily.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Well they couldn't, only they reason they actually fully won was because of the Elites alliance

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:38 AM

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SOS are crippled navy wise

carmine sleet May 21, 2020, 5:38 AM

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The Covenant fractured into many splinter groups, the UNSC didn't wipe them out

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:38 AM

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It would be like Russians killing 320/328 million Americans but changing their mind at the last second because China invades or whatever and Americans going "oh no biggie". Forgiving the elites is nuts. They fought together with the humans for like a month canonically then the war was over

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After like 30 years of fighting

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Novas with more modern slipspace could take out more planets

reef estuary May 21, 2020, 5:39 AM

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if the elites turned on the UNSC during halo 3, say glassed the entire planet, dont think there's much earth could've done to stop them

carmine sleet May 21, 2020, 5:39 AM

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Nova bombs aren't slipspace bombs, Infinity

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:39 AM

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That would be a fairly bad idea on the UNSC's part, anyway

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:39 AM

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With small ships with slipspace drives to deposit them

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Like prowlera

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Theres not much Earth could've done on the Ark, only like 1 human Frigate was sent through but a Sangheili Fleet accompanied it

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Prowlers

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Have you forgotten the time when the unsc sent nukes through slipspace?

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Cherenkov radiation

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:40 AM

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The swords of sanghelios lost much of their navy

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:41 AM

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We don’t know the size of every factions navy

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:41 AM

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Realistically there should have been genocidal human splinter factions eager to hunt down every last one because the war was long enough for it to be all an entire generation knew

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:42 AM

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The loss of Sublime Transcendence was almost cripplimg

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Like... Jul ‘Mdama’s covenant..

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That’s not a swords of sanghelios ship

gusty star May 21, 2020, 5:42 AM

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The Sublime Transcendence was not part of the Swords of Sanghelios.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:42 AM

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could've allied with them

gusty star May 21, 2020, 5:43 AM

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No.

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:43 AM

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There’s also anti alien groups... like sapiens sunrise

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:43 AM

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There's no way any ceasefire would have been respected tbh, its kinda nonsense that the covenant has splinter factions that still hunt humans but humans don't at least as far as I know. Haven't read the books after the forerunner trilogy

gusty star May 21, 2020, 5:43 AM

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The Joyous Exultation Covenant despised humans as much as the old Covenant.

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They would never have allied with the Arbiter.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:43 AM

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I wish that nova didnt go off

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:43 AM

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its kinda nonsense that the covenant has splinter factions that still hunt humans but humans don't at least as far as I know.
Species don't all follow the same rules and laws

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:43 AM

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You haven’t read the books.. but you say it’s nonsense when you don’t know things for sure?

carmine sleet May 21, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Xytan 'Jar Wattinree wasn't part of the Swords of Sanghelios and likely would have tried to continue the fight against humanity

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:44 AM

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He wouldve been so cool

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Halo isn’t this black and white thing.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:44 AM

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I've read most of them

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:44 AM

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It’s very grade

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:44 AM

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A legendary sangheili who never lost

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:44 AM

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You said you stopped reading after forerunner trilogy

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Which was released way after the end of the covie war?

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:44 AM

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But he gets nova'd

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:44 AM

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2013? I think the last book.

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That’s 7 years worth of books and there’s been plenty

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And comics

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:45 AM

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You're free to prove me wrong?

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:45 AM

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We don’t know that much about xytan

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:45 AM

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I literally said "as far as i know"

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:45 AM

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He was a legend tho

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Because we’re told. Not shown

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Stop being combative, if im wrong then correct me.

gusty star May 21, 2020, 5:46 AM

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The UNSC won the war, why would it splinter into remnants?

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:46 AM

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He wasn’t pro human anyways

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The UNSC survived the war

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Yeah

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:46 AM

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The UNSC won the war
I'd say more "survived" it

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:46 AM

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I wanted to blow up the elite homeworld in 5 lmao

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Yeah, no one exactly won that thing

gusty star May 21, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Same difference.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Pyyric victory

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Survived isn’t same difference as winning.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:47 AM

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can't just let the guardian mollywop it out of existence

It's the least that locke could do

gusty star May 21, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Survival was victory.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Won but were crippled by the war

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:47 AM

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kek empire you're an insurrectionist

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:47 AM

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If you consider it that victory.

carmine sleet May 21, 2020, 5:47 AM

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I wanted to blow up the elite homeworld in 5 lmao
What would've been the point of that? That would be the worst thing for the UNSC to do, regardless of the situation with the Guardians

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Pyyrhic victory

reef estuary May 21, 2020, 5:48 AM

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its a victory in the sense, that humanity survived, the covenant disbanded and the flood were defeated

carmine sleet May 21, 2020, 5:48 AM

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can't just let the guardian mollywop it out of existence

It's the least that locke could do
The Guardian didn't destroy Sanghelios

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:49 AM

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The flood were temporarily defeated.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Yeah

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:49 AM

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The covenant empire was fractured into many factions

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The insurrectionists restarted their movements with more force I’d say

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The galaxy is certainly an interesting place post war

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Honestly post war is where I’d see a tv show have more potential

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:51 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Sapien_Sunrise

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:51 AM

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I agree

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:51 AM

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This is a near read

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*neat

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:51 AM

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It was a neater listen

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:52 AM

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I saw someone arguing that the flood coming back would undermine chiefs achievement but i always assumed that as soon as they took in amber clad they started infecting the whole galaxy and Earth was the last stop

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:52 AM

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You assumed wrong

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And the return of the flood for the test when humanity is rype is awaited

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Ripe

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:53 AM

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Why would a million year old omniscient zombie plant finally escape its prison and then fly straight to death instead of planting flood spores somewhere along the way

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:53 AM

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Idk

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:54 AM

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Because a time transcendent being would be threatened by the activation of the halo array.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:54 AM

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tbh, thats open to interpretation and if thats part of the story of infinite. That gravemind sent flood somewhere besides earth and the ark i wouldnt even be mad

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:55 AM

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The flood is already in other places though. Has been.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:55 AM

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I would be pissed

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If flood are more prominent opponents

carmine sleet May 21, 2020, 5:55 AM

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I saw someone arguing that the flood coming back would undermine chiefs achievement but i always assumed that as soon as they took in amber clad they started infecting the whole galaxy and Earth was the last stop
The In Amber Clad wasn't used by the Flood for a galaxy hopping adventure to infect people before coming to Earth. They used it to get into High Charity and crashed the ship

reef estuary May 21, 2020, 5:55 AM

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never actually understood how they got the amber clad to begin with,

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:56 AM

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They boarded it probably?

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Installation 05

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Somehow

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:56 AM

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It was like, right there for the taking

carmine sleet May 21, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Miranda parked it in the wrong neighborhood on Delta Halo

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:56 AM

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And that CAS that they crashed on earth

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:56 AM

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there was like 5000 ships or w.e around high charity, its more likely than not the flood got to at least one

reef estuary May 21, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Like I guess amber clad is like not shooting down suspicious ships that fly at it?

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:56 AM

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You mean CCS?

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:56 AM

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My hypothesis is that the Gravemind used the teleportation grid to teleport some Flood onboard.

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:56 AM

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I get the classes mixed up

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So probably

reef estuary May 21, 2020, 5:57 AM

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if the gravemind could teleport flood with the halo teleportation grid, I think that creates plot problems

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Graveminds are serious business, its much more satisfying to have it be defeated by the end of 3. But it would make sense canonically for it not to have been

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Maybe it takes a lot of power, so he can't do it very often

reef estuary May 21, 2020, 5:58 AM

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okay so why doesn't he just teleport flood to high charity?

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Vale: I'm happy to fight by my sangheili brothers and sisters
Me: *Activates the halo arrays to kill the rest of the covenant even though it will take humanity with it, purely out of post-war spite"

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Based tbh

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:58 AM

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No roleplay

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Halos have limited tange yeah?

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:59 AM

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The in amber clad slipspace inside high charity

near tide May 21, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Range

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Thats why theres 6 of them

reef estuary May 21, 2020, 5:59 AM

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masterchief was teleported to high charity directly by the gravemind,

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 5:59 AM

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25000 light years..

versed helm May 21, 2020, 5:59 AM

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7, but actually 6

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:00 AM

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They can set off 1 at a time right?

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Or all at once

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Like just q

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1

carmine sleet May 21, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Vale: I'm happy to fight by my sangheili brothers and sisters
Me: *Activates the halo arrays to kill the rest of the covenant even though it will take humanity with it, purely out of post-war spite"
How xenophobic. The Elites aren't a single minded race hell-bent on wiping us out. Even during the war, there were plenty of Elites who respected humanity and wished for us to join the Covenant

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Halos are linked together

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:00 AM

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I dont think the 23 billion dead humans would care

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Vale: I'm happy to fight by my sangheili brothers and sisters
Me: *Activates the halo arrays to kill the rest of the covenant even though it will take humanity with it, purely out of post-war spite"
@versed helm even better idea. Somehow move halos so they only hit covie space and not earth

reef estuary May 21, 2020, 6:01 AM

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tbh its kinda nonsense for the covenant splinter factions to be on a genocidal warpath,

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:01 AM

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the flood fire one in the forerunner trilogy, to kill all the forerunners

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well the forerunner leadership

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Different type of halo rings...

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:01 AM

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wait no not the flood, the AI? i dont remember

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Mendicant Bias or w.e

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:01 AM

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And it was mendicant bias

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What even is cover space

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Covie space doesn't exist since they're mixed with human controlled space too

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:02 AM

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joint occupation zone too..

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:02 AM

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@near tide The halos can move

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Good

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:02 AM

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They can even slipspace jump

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They can only go to set locations

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:02 AM

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They move so sanghelios is at the edge of range

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Cya hinge heads

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:02 AM

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lmao

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:03 AM

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I’m not sure why you guys seem so.. fixed... on that as if it were real..

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Now why hasn't anyone tried that yet

carmine sleet May 21, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Infinity, I don't think you realise how large the range of a Halo is

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 6:04 AM

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It's actually kind of creepy.

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Why do you hate elites so much tf

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My house got raided by oni after i googled how to nova bomb sanghelios 😔

reef estuary May 21, 2020, 6:04 AM

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well if one halo ring fires, doesn't the rest follow anyways?

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:04 AM

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No your house did not. Because it’s fictional.

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:04 AM

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They wiped out almost all of humanity

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:04 AM

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@fair hazel its ok to have a sense of humor

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So did the rest of the covenant, only reason humanity survived was Because of the Elites

carmine sleet May 21, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Now why hasn't anyone tried that yet
Because it's literally genocide to activate the Halos
They wiped out almost all of humanity
Not an excuse to cause more genocide

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Indeed it is good to have a good sense of humor. That way you can actually say funny stuff that’s actually funny

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Eh my sleep deprived logic isnt that food rn

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Good

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Perhaps you should sleep.

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Maybe

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Wasn't there only one nova bomb and they used it to blow up a fleet and half a moon

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Multiple

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Glyke also

carmine sleet May 21, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Aye, maybe the sleep will help you realise that you shouldn't commit galactic genocide

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:06 AM

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"i dont think its funny so its not funny" 🙄

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:06 AM

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The amount of nova bombs is unknown but I doubt it’s very high.

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:06 AM

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A few

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:06 AM

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if its activating the halo rings technically its galactic genocide-suicide

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Tho Xytan captured multiple probably

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Something that you shouldn’t try..

carmine sleet May 21, 2020, 6:07 AM

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if its activating the halo rings technically its galactic genocide-suicide
It's still genocide and that makes it horrible

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:07 AM

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lmao gravemind wondering why the halo rings are going off despite nobody knowing the flood are still around

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Uh, there was only one we know of that he unknowingly had

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People know the flood is around.

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Mostly inert

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Everyone should team up on the flood

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Maybe NOVA the rings to destrot them

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And purge other flood facilities

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:08 AM

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There’s useful technology the UNSC and SOS would be interested in from the Halos

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And knowledge

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Does that outweigh flood risk

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1 spore could infect a planet

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:09 AM

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The forerunners certainly thought so.

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 6:09 AM

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They send Spartan teams into any potential Flood area

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Can spartans be infected

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 6:09 AM

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And activate a nuke if a Spartan gets infected

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:09 AM

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That’s why they have protocols for that.

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Cause johnson couldn't

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Cause johnson couldn't
That was retconned

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Johnsons nervous system is screws to all hell

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Spartans can ne infected

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Ah

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Sure but doesn’t make him immune

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Ty for clearing that up

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:10 AM

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and not in a healthy way, he can be infected though, they just had a hard time

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Somehow destroy flood facilities instead of the rings

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If the created were allies they could use them against flood

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:11 AM

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I think they’d send prometheans to fight the flood

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It’s what they were created to do after all.

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:12 AM

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O yeah

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:12 AM

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Sentinels are a lot more effective, Prometheans are for killing normal things

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:13 AM

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That’s not right..

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Plus is flood don't get biomass, and people to infect no gravemind so no logic plague

gilded mason May 21, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Prometheans (the robotic ones) were literally created to fight the Flood

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Yes

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:13 AM

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They do a pretty terrible job of it

carmine sleet May 21, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Sentinels are a lot more effective, Prometheans are for killing normal things
The Ur-Didact literally created the Prometheans for fighting against Flood specifically

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:13 AM

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No. They did a good job at it

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Except he needed more.

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:13 AM

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They do a pretty terrible job of it
@versed helm when

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:14 AM

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tfw finally get forerunner weapons in halo and they're just glowing pew pew clones of human weapons 😦

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:14 AM

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Of course there was too much flood

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:14 AM

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They beougjt in prometheans but the flood already had so much momentum

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That it was impossible

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:14 AM

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The forerunner weapons we have in 4 and 5 are proficient at fighting flood

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:14 AM

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Now that you mention it. Yeah, why do they just use orange pump action shotguns

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Disintegration

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Plus they were creayed before unsc shotguns canonically

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:15 AM

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The covenant weapons are more mechanically diverse than the promethean ones at least in the Bungie games. They're kinda samey in 5. They lost some of the weirder stuff like causing slowdown

fair hazel May 21, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Scatter shots are ideal in close quarters of ships and so on where the projectiles csn bounce.

carmine sleet May 21, 2020, 6:16 AM

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The scattershot also wasn't pump action

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Plus the incineration factor means no corpses to infect

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:16 AM

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I would take any irl gun over a scattershot in a combat situation with the flood tbh

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Wouls u take a musket

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Its useless for gameplay balance reasons

near tide May 21, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Or a nerf gun

versed helm May 21, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Okay not a musket you know what I mean

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Nerf gun absolutely

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At least id die laughing