#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 331

bronze bane May 13, 2020, 11:08 PM

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ok

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could you give me a brief explanation, though?

humble yacht May 13, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Precursors made forerunners and humans but favored humans. Forerunners got mad and attacked the precursors. Precursors turned themselves into dust to come back later. But instead, ancient humans found the dust and fed it to their dogs and each other. This eventually made the first flood

bronze bane May 13, 2020, 11:10 PM

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that's a little funny, actually

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feeding dust to digs

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*dogs

humble yacht May 13, 2020, 11:11 PM

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It’s an oversimplification

versed helm May 13, 2020, 11:11 PM

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I thought the dust was as corrupted over time lol

last anchor May 13, 2020, 11:11 PM

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It was.
Trust me Aaron; Halopedia

bronze bane May 13, 2020, 11:11 PM

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ok

obsidian thistle May 13, 2020, 11:49 PM

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We at Halopedia just verified something that was suggested we try.

We got cool new lore outta it. A Sangheili from over 5000 years ago.

https://www.halopedia.org/Mak_'Vadam

Halopedia

Mak 'Vadam

Mak 'Vadam was a notable ancient Sangheili. Two statues of Mak were erected in the province of Vadam, in Iruiru, Sanghelios. In October, 2558, Fireteam Osiris passed by these statues while on a mission to acquire a Constructor. By this time, one of the statues had collapsed.

onyx moss May 13, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Hello fellas

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Anyone know how strong covenant ships are

gilded mason May 13, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Strong

onyx moss May 13, 2020, 11:49 PM

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And how numerous

gilded mason May 13, 2020, 11:50 PM

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A lot

onyx moss May 13, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Real asset there m8

gilded mason May 13, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Thanks, I tried hard.

onyx moss May 13, 2020, 11:50 PM

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I could tell

runic inlet May 14, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Hahaha

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Didn’t someone say in H5 that by the time the pyramids was built. The statues on sanghelios were already considered ancient

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Yes

jolly furnace May 14, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Yes. Of course we were spacefaring before the Sangheili were even sapient probably

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Who's "we"?

feral perch May 14, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Ancient humanity

dawn grove May 14, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Hello there

jolly furnace May 14, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Aye humanity was spacefaring long before Elites were sapient probably

gusty star May 14, 2020, 12:34 AM

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There's no way to know that.

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 12:38 AM

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There's no way for to know that.```
Agreed.

jolly furnace May 14, 2020, 12:45 AM

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I mean its likely I think

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We were spacefaring at the earliest 1.1 million years prior to CE

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I doubt Sangheili were sapient at that point

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Also I said probably. I didn't say we knew for sure.

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I don't think 343i is gonna make every Covie race a spacefaring species that far back in time

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 12:49 AM

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I don't think 343i is gonna make every Covie race a spacefaring species that far back in time
Maybe not spacefaring, but that's a bit different from sapient

jolly furnace May 14, 2020, 12:52 AM

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Sapient means self-awareness and being capable of problem solving and abstract reasoning and logic

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Yes.

jolly furnace May 14, 2020, 12:54 AM

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I doubt Sangheili were fully sapient if even that 1.1 million years ago

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No evidence for it but its my guess

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Homo erectus existed a million or two years ago from our current time, and from what I read, they were sapient

gusty star May 14, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Modern Sangheili unlocked the principles of translight physics (without the use of Forerunner technology) at least 3,000 years prior to modern humanity. There is no reason to believe their ancient counterpart could not do the same.

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 12:58 AM

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So it's perfectly viable for Covenant species to also be sapient that far back

jolly furnace May 14, 2020, 1:13 AM

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It is but I doubt we get any info on that.

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Ok just rechecking something. I made a mistake. I mixed up sapience with another extremely similar concept.

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Well we know at the very least a Mak 'Vadum was around over 5000 years prior to 2558. While this isnt solid by any means. It at least gives us an idea on how stuff could be.

jolly furnace May 14, 2020, 1:17 AM

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Yeah i mixed up concepts.

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 1:24 AM

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It does show the Sangheili by then already had a sense of identity. And if these skulls (if they are not very very realistic skull statues) are any indication had the ability to kill giant creatures. 4 of which are in the the Sanghelios levels in various states.

📎 IMG_613bab72-d49f-4064-91b9-327a580a302d.png

jolly furnace May 14, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Yea again I mixed up sapience with something else. Nevermind

terse lava May 14, 2020, 1:37 AM

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I would think it is likely at the time of the forerunners, sangheili were quite advanced. Spark says they were less dramatic back then, which inwould say shows they must of had a decent presence on the galactic stage to be of note to some random monitor.

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They also appeared to recover faster then the san shyuum seeing of those guys needed a keyship to advance themselves

jolly furnace May 14, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Possibly. They did have that cut line by Didact in H4 possibly hinting at it.

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I don't think they would have been technologically advanced when humanity was in its earliest spacefaring era (1.1 million BC) though. I think they were Tier 7 at that stage.

terse lava May 14, 2020, 2:04 AM

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1.1 million BC?

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That far back likely tier 7 yea

grizzled wyvern May 14, 2020, 3:13 AM

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What do guys think about Cortana’s secret audio clip in Infinite. Is she the one which have been with us until halo 4 and managed to comback and now going to confront the Evil cortana.

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After all, that evil coratana is Part of the Coratana

last anchor May 14, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Not sure I follow

gusty star May 14, 2020, 3:24 AM

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I vaguely understand what you just said

last anchor May 14, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Something about evil Cortana?

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No clue about an audio clip tho

deep pewter May 14, 2020, 3:30 AM

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There isn’t an evil Cortana

gusty star May 14, 2020, 3:30 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5egBwJhQNPU

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He's referring to that @last anchor

last anchor May 14, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Oh.

queen otter May 14, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Imagine there is a Cortana vs Cortana battle

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Just a thought but that would be awful

fair hazel May 14, 2020, 4:03 AM

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It's interesting how hunt the truth ties into the created event

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the things start with deep space anomalies

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then more and more, guardians rising

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ONI trying to contain things...

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:25 AM

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I think Cortana is playing both sides, knowing she needs the guardians to confront the flood returning. She may look evil atm, but in the grand picture, doesn't want to resort to using the halo array.

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Considering the Guardians as a Flood measure were useless to the Forerunners, I feel doubt about that.

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And I imagine there were plenty of ways of getting access to them that didn't involve mass murder and destruction

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Maybe when the librarian snatched Cortana in h4 , and then meshing with didact, she learned something

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No way of unearthing them without mass destruction

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Destruction, perhaps. The deaths of millions? That could've been prevented.

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Death of millions to possibly save a universe.

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 4:29 AM

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The deaths were pointless.

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Looks bad atm, but naybe a necessary evil

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 4:30 AM

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(x) Doubt

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Well, there has to be a reason for summoning the guardians after her encounter with librarian, didact, and curing her rampancy

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She knows something

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Yeah. She wants to use them to police the galaxy and control everyone

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A steward. At least, that's what Tam was called when he was second to the fleetmaster, Nizat

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:31 AM

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But if the flood succeed l there won't be anything to police

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 4:33 AM

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But if the flood succeed l there won't be anything to police```
This is assuming the Flood are gearing up en-masse for anything and not simply contained to facilities or what-have-you

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How about 3rd in command?```
No idea

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:34 AM

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I’m pretty sure that the only flood presence is on zeta halo

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:34 AM

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True. But it would be lame if the flood return only to be limited

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 4:34 AM

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They might return again some day, but I don't think the Created are related at all

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:35 AM

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The big invasion worked originally because they were in all 3 games

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:35 AM

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It may play out as the enemy of my enemy

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:37 AM

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Ikr

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Their eyes would be burning from all the wrong theories. I’m not callin you guys bad, but there’s only one answer to a question, and talks got a billion answers

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I think the issue with the ending is you don’t want it to be too cliche

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Lol I would of broke xD

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Chief must ascend into god status then

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Like Master Chief sacrificing himself to blow something up is a little cliche but so is him just finishing the mission and going on another one.

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343pls make a theory about why they only added a praising 343 pic, but not a praising bungee one

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thinkingchief

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@balmy gulch it would be so hard to keep it all in, they’d literally have to delete all social media from all my devices

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It’s not a theory it’s true. I’d spoil everything. I would have to never watch halo theories, or I’d be tempted to comment how wrong they are

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:42 AM

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^

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Question

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What’s the spoiler chat for

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 4:43 AM

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Recent releases

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:43 AM

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Oh

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No

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Probably just some type of commander

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Maybe in infinite, the flood succeed, and continue the infinite loop of rebuilding civilizations only to be torn down again?

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 4:44 AM

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That would be awful from a company perspective

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:45 AM

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That would be awful

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Not really. Then they can go wherever after

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:45 AM

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People wouldn’t like it

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:45 AM

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New characters, stories, etc

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 4:45 AM

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I mean, a lot of people buy the Halo games for the UNSC, Covenant, etc. If they were to do that, they just alienated a load of people.

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:46 AM

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It would pretty much ruin the entire story of Master Chief by having everything he did be pointless

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 4:46 AM

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Way too risky from a business standpoint

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:47 AM

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Yeah

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:47 AM

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Maybe they need to use the array , but catalogue and save few

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To carry on

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 4:47 AM

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That'd also be bad

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Because now that limits other civilizations you can eventually explore

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It turns an unexplored ocean into a pool.

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:49 AM

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It would be boring playing halo without stuff to shoot and warthogs

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Well, we all know that if halo infinite doesn’t have flood, people will be surprised and angry.

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Not really. Forerunners were tapped out but their history and technology lived on

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:49 AM

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True

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It can have flood

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But they shouldn’t win

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Yes

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Or cause the halo array to be fired

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That’d just, not work. I understand how being a small resistance in a taken over galaxy might be fun, but it’s not a very 343 or bungee type game to make. It doesn’t really go with halo.

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Yeah

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Plus, the array being fired and all that is just halo 3 all over again. I know 3 was a good game, and people like the 3 reminiscence, but we want something new.

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Forerunners used the halo array, right?

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Bruh, it won’t let me say yeah twice

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What

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Yes

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It doesn’t let me say the same thing twice

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@carmine moss it was made by the forerunners, but others have used it, such as UNSC

carmine moss May 14, 2020, 4:54 AM

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And it didn't Kill everything . Life still lived on. It could totally happen again

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Yes

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The UNSC used the halo array?

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In 3 to kill the flood

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I thought only the forerunners fired it

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Are you sure?

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I’m pretty sure they blew up the halo ring

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Wait

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They fired it

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I think

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I don’t know

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It’s been awhile

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They did a lot with those. I’m pretty sure they fired one, and they blew up one

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You remember the fight scene with guilty spark?

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Yeah

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They just did the self destruct

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They never fired one

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Ok sry my memory sucks and I must have been mistaken

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So they blew up 2. The halo CE one and the halo 3 one

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UNSC really likes blowin up these things

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Totally legit h2a strat
On the flood-arbiter levels, let the sentinels deal with some of the flood, then kill them. Take their weapons bc if a swarm of infection forms comes, that beam is good against them

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Yeah

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The carbine is really useful on them

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Yes

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Just shoot off the arms

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Yes.

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Honestly for the thicc sentinels, you just need to get under it and shoot the beam

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Ye

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I played grifball on mcc right before it went, and it’s really fun on reach, especially when it’s blargball

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Yeah

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Did they put infection in MCC?

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I haven’t played in awhile

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Yes

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Epic

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I remember playing with the boys

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Also, we should move to #general-chat

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Aite. I just don’t like it cause it has S L O W. I understand why, but still.

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Maybe soldiers say stuff like rekt because they used to be humans

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Jk 343 ain’t Scott cawthon

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That’s actually canon I think

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Wow

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Prometheans were once living beings

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I’m surprised

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I thought it was just a hilarious Easter egg

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Wait... I knew that they were living beings bc I watch hidden xperia. My memory really does suck

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Yeah, the composer turned the original prometheans into digital beings that controlled the knights and soldiers

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It’s hard to explain

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Ik

terse lava May 14, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Yea, the knights were a mix of composed forerunner promethans, ancient primitive humans, and the people of New phoenix

versed helm May 14, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Rip New Phoenix, Arizona.

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I wonder if there is also New Angeles and New Vegas.

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New Chicago too

terse lava May 14, 2020, 5:22 AM

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Who knows

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Although RIP would be the wrong ok phrase to use, as everyone is still alive

versed helm May 14, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Not really 'alive' tho, that's the entire point of the composer

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Who is the Composer?

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Martin O'Donnell? postums

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uny

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Marty by himself is already a super weapon capable of digitizing folks

versed helm May 14, 2020, 9:58 AM

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Marty is a god not a weapon

jolly furnace May 14, 2020, 10:00 AM

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Ok so reading above - Cortana learned of Guardians after entering the Domain at some point.

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Guardians were useless against the Flood

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I think the Flood returning en-masse to the MWG is the endgame of modern Halo plot.

flat elbow May 14, 2020, 10:02 AM

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It makes sense

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Why else would they pop up in HW2

slim thorn May 14, 2020, 10:40 AM

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Well... I also long for that to see Cortana feel powerless when fighting The Flood. Instead, she may got rampant more faster due to after-effects of Logic Plague still lingers with her.

vast wigeon May 14, 2020, 10:41 AM

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True

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 12:26 PM

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Why else would they pop up in HW2
Fan service. That’s why they broke out and were put back into quarantine within the scope of one dlc. It was meant to be standalone

vast wigeon May 14, 2020, 12:28 PM

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Indeed

runic inlet May 14, 2020, 12:38 PM

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Was earth the last human planet left after the covenant war? Or was there other colonies that the covenant didn’t find ?

jolly furnace May 14, 2020, 12:39 PM

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There were many planets left

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that the Covies either igored or didnt fnd

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H2 with Earth being humanity's last bastion was exagerrated or retconned away later I guess

runic inlet May 14, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Ahh ok, thanks

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Not all human planets were military installations like Reach or Harvest

runic inlet May 14, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Yeah I remembered hearing that Earth was the last location

vast wigeon May 14, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Harvest wasn’t even a military installation, merely an agria colony

jolly furnace May 14, 2020, 12:41 PM

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H2 played Earth up as humanity's last bastion and hope. As did H3

runic inlet May 14, 2020, 12:41 PM

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Wasn’t it why infinity was built to make it a last resort for human survival?

jolly furnace May 14, 2020, 12:41 PM

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Bungie kept games mostly seperate from Halo EU back in the day

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Infinity was a concept brought in by 343i much later

runic inlet May 14, 2020, 12:42 PM

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Understood

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 12:42 PM

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Yes, infinity was originally intended to be a mobile stronghold in case earth fell to the covenant

jolly furnace May 14, 2020, 12:43 PM

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Heck Bungie didn't even want an EU since they only planned one game but MS forced an EU on them I've read

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 12:43 PM

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Luckily it never came to that

jolly furnace May 14, 2020, 12:43 PM

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I didn't know of that one

hushed badger May 14, 2020, 2:13 PM

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Oh poor bungie being forced and stuff.😢

stoic ledge May 14, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Wish they never quit making halo games

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But it is what it is

pulsar grail May 14, 2020, 2:25 PM

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I'm confused, did Locke meet with the Arbiter before Halo 2?

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 2:26 PM

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No

stoic ledge May 14, 2020, 2:26 PM

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that was lore into halo 5

pulsar grail May 14, 2020, 2:26 PM

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It confuses me everytime I play Halo 2

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 2:26 PM

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that scene was a concept scene for a moment during H5

pulsar grail May 14, 2020, 2:26 PM

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Is it only for the MCC?

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 2:26 PM

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The Halo 2 bonus cutscene is set during the events of Halo 5

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 2:26 PM

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yes

pulsar grail May 14, 2020, 2:26 PM

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ah.

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then that's Vadam?

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 2:27 PM

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it's just there to frame H2A as a flashback Thel is having

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 2:27 PM

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Yep

stoic ledge May 14, 2020, 2:27 PM

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Wonder when we're gonna see a continuation of halo 5

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 2:27 PM

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Holiday 2020

pulsar grail May 14, 2020, 2:27 PM

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Ok thanks guys I was just confused with that scene

stoic ledge May 14, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Plus halo wars 2 if you finished the game and watched the last cutscene

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 2:28 PM

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if you knew that then why did you ask?

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thinkingchief

pulsar grail May 14, 2020, 2:28 PM

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?

stoic ledge May 14, 2020, 2:29 PM

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Im just saying halo wars 2 and halo 5 are kinda intertwined and wondering when 343 will continue that rather then a lore history in halo infinite

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 2:30 PM

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halo infinite will be a sequel to Halo 5, so it will directly build on those events

pulsar grail May 14, 2020, 2:30 PM

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chimera what did you mean with what you said

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 2:30 PM

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i was talking to w00d

pulsar grail May 14, 2020, 2:30 PM

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o

stoic ledge May 14, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Ok thanks for lettin me know was kinda confused on why it was on the past on a new halo ring

versed helm May 14, 2020, 2:34 PM

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I hope the SoS will be in it to help us.

runic inlet May 14, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Also there is a book coming out in September that takes place after H5

main siren May 14, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Shadows of Reach. I haven't read Silent Storm yet, but I'm planning to buy it soon

deep pewter May 14, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Silent Storm is really good

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 4:07 PM

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The "A Master Chief Story"s are all great 😄 I have enjoyed em all.

deep pewter May 14, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Need to read Oblivion soon so I can be ready for SoR

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Have ya read "Halo: Collateral Damage"?

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 4:08 PM

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somebody on waypoint made a long diatribe about how Oblivion is a unimportant story

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Even if it was unimportant. It can still be a great read 😄

deep pewter May 14, 2020, 4:08 PM

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I have not read Collateral damage

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 4:09 PM

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CD is part of the "A Master Chief Story" subseries. 😄

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So you may wanna read that at somepoint 🙂

deep pewter May 14, 2020, 4:10 PM

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I’ll definitely be on the lookout for it, I didn’t even know it was a thing

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 4:11 PM

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It was a fairly niche comic release. Falling under a lot of folks radars it seems.

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 4:24 PM

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I think calling Oblivion "unimportant" is a bit premature. It's very clearly the second story of a trilogy. It's hard to judge it's relevance and impact without the final novel.

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 4:24 PM

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i wouldn't know, i didn't read

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 4:24 PM

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But even then, I found it to be a fun story. Not as good as Silent Storm, but good nonetheless

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 4:24 PM

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i just found it interesting that someone could right such a long post on it

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 4:24 PM

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It has some very interesting ideas

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:24 PM

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What is Glasslands about?

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Any chance you can DM me a link?

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@versed helm Glasslands is the first book set after the Human-Covenant war and deals with the fall out of that war for Humanity and the Sangheili

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It also sets up a number of plot threads for Halo 4 and future books in the Kilo-5 trilogy

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:26 PM

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So it explains the attitudes towards each other?

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And a civil war?

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 4:26 PM

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think so

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kilo 5 trilogy shows us how Jul Mdama came to power

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:27 PM

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On the JOZs?

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 4:27 PM

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the what?

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Joint Occupation Zones.

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 4:27 PM

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It doesn't deal with joint occupation zones, no

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Ah.

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Halo: Envoy deals with that, if you're interested

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Since I remember reading about civil wars happening in JOZs somewhere.

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Glasslands mainly lays initial groundwork for the post-war era

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Halo: Envoy would be your book of choice for that

deep pewter May 14, 2020, 4:28 PM

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I wish Kilo-V had more focus on Jul in all honesty

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 4:28 PM

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everyone's favorite liar

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 4:29 PM

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I wish Kilo-5 had focused on Infinity, Del Rio, Lasky, the Spartan-IVs, and Jul more.

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 4:29 PM

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what, maybe that's Truth

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Like, get into these characters that are supposedly important to Halo 4

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:29 PM

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So in Glasslands it focused on what terms were made between the Sangheili and humans?

Glasslands mainly lays initial groundwork for the post-war era

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Glasslands explores the post-war era from the perspective of Jul 'Mdama and the Kilo-5 team, the later being a black-ops group meant to sew discord in Sangheili society so it'd be too busy with in-fighting to worry about fighting humanity (since some Sangheili still wanted to do that).

versed helm May 14, 2020, 4:31 PM

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I see thanks.

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 4:32 PM

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A lot of the subjects you seem to be asking about aren't the focus of the story, though.

warm kraken May 14, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Locke would beat Chief

Oni Agent > Old man with mommy issues

light kiln May 14, 2020, 5:26 PM

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You're really pushing that.

I'd like to see more of Locke though. Build up the character some, you know?

last anchor May 14, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Considering Buck left Osiris, I wonder who filled it...maybe someone who Locke can sych with even more.

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To be honest I feel like Locke really hasnt had a chance to shine as a Spartan just yet.

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Just cause he's been in Chief's shadow. As a stand alone character, hes done some pretty impressive stuff.
Osiris punching into Sangheilios solo, almost single-handedly saving the Arbiter from Covenant assault...
Sunaion. Rolling in on Genisis?

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Thats pretty darn impressive

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Guardians was made to be the "big" premier of him. So yea he hasnt reached that point yet in the narrative Nightfall started.

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Guardians was made to be the "big" premier of him. So yea he hasnt reached that point yet in the narrative Nightfall started.

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*When I say narrative. I am more talking about the character narrative. Not the actual story.

last anchor May 14, 2020, 5:46 PM

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I figured

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Honestly I'd love a Locke based book.

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Everyone else on Osiris got some kind of backing in print (albiet Tanaka got a comic but hey)

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Tbh the set up is there for one to exist.

light kiln May 14, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Locke got a mini movie.

last anchor May 14, 2020, 5:47 PM

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I really want one of him either as an ONI agent hunting stuff, make it a Mission Impossible/James Bond kind of spy story, kinda like the latter part of Hunt the Truth, or him as an early Spartan getting used ot his new body

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See, Nightfall didnt really build on HIM specifically.

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He was the center yes, but there was a lot of other stuff there too.

fair hazel May 14, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Locke based book. Yep yep

last anchor May 14, 2020, 5:48 PM

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I wont lie; I liked nightfall for everything BUT Locke.

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 5:48 PM

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"At age six, Locke was evacuated from his homeworld mere minutes ahead of its destruction by Covenant forces. Locke was orphaned in the attack, losing everything and everyone he had ever known in a matter of moments. As a result, Locke became a ward of the state and was raised surrounded by other children who had suffered the same loss. As they grew older, many of these youths eventually enlisted in the UNSC, eager for a chance at revenge against the Covenant. Locke, however, still blamed the government for failing to defend his homeworld. Arriving at the conclusion that the UNSC was incapable of protecting anyone else, he struck out on his own and became a freelancer, selecting and hunting targets of his own volition."

last anchor May 14, 2020, 5:48 PM

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^Give me this

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Source: https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/characters/jameson-locke

Halo Waypoint

Jameson Locke

Jameson Locke is one of ONI's top field agents and Acquisition Specialists. He is highly respected by those serving under his command.

fair hazel May 14, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Halo: Locke and Key

last anchor May 14, 2020, 5:48 PM

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...oh my god yes

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Make it happen 343

light kiln May 14, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Janus key? 👀

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Like that Waypoint bio has the primer to a great Locke story to properly start his narrative. xD

light kiln May 14, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Wait. That got destroyed, right?

last anchor May 14, 2020, 5:49 PM

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"confiscated"

versed helm May 14, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Getting the janus key would be disastrous for humanity

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 5:55 PM

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There is a theory that the reason Halsey was intent on getting to the Absolute Record was to combat whatever threat that signal she was tracking was doing.

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And when that failed she started to just research that signal full time. Leading to Kamchatka and her learning about Cortana

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 6:02 PM

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If only that played out in the story :\

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 6:16 PM

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The only thing even connecting Escalations and Halo 5 directly in any way is Hunt the Signal. (Where that theory comes from)

last anchor May 14, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Well until someone gives me a better reason for that last arc of Escalation Im taking your theory

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 6:26 PM

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I mean the narrative is here https://www.halopedia.org/Hunt_the_Signal#Transmissions

Halopedia

Hunt the Signal

Hunt the Signal was a competition part of the Hunt the Truth alternate-reality campaign for Halo 5: Guardians. Teams of four competed in order to have four characters in Halo: The Fall of Reach - The Animated Series be created in their likeness. On Monday, April 27, 2015 a You...

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(If Transmission 003 wasnt cut it would flow a little better)

last anchor May 14, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Man I totally forgot this was a thing.

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Never was an ARG person tho so

obsidian thistle May 14, 2020, 6:30 PM

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AI tasked to work on finding weaknesses in Mark VI. (Just as a backup) Said AI is contacted by Halsey a few times pointing them in the right direction. Said AI is then tasked to enter Halseys Archive. Halsey helps them leading to that AI finding hints of a signal which Halsey hid in her archive. The AI then follows leads on said signal to uncover the Guardian Sigil.

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Some could also say thats why ONI was somewhat prepared for the Guardians in Hunt the Truth Season 2.

last anchor May 14, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Makes sense to me

versed helm May 14, 2020, 7:00 PM

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What is Locke's story? Like where was he during halo 1-4?

muted path May 14, 2020, 7:00 PM

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idk search it up

dawn plinth May 14, 2020, 7:19 PM

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@versed helm If you look in halo 2, he appears somewhere “hunting a Spartan” or whatever.

limpid meadow May 14, 2020, 8:45 PM

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An H2A cutscene, yeah. It was meant to lead into Halo 5.

versed helm May 14, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Yeah that cutscene is set after H4 even if it premiere's in H2A

versed helm May 14, 2020, 10:16 PM

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What does a burnblade look like?

versed helm May 14, 2020, 10:34 PM

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Did the civilians have to evacuate from High Charity or did they get infected?

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 10:34 PM

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I imagine some amount escaped

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But it's unknown how many

gusty star May 14, 2020, 11:10 PM

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I imagine a very large majority of the civilian population died either from the infighting of the Great Schism or the proliferating Flood infection.

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Especially once the Prophet of Truth departed.

gilded mason May 14, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Yeah

terse lava May 14, 2020, 11:23 PM

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@versed helmpicture a metal energy sword with only one blade and the ability to heat up

versed helm May 14, 2020, 11:25 PM

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Would be cool to use a burnblade in a Halo game

terse lava May 14, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Kind of

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But it would not be any different from using an energy sword outside of lack of Plasma

humble yacht May 14, 2020, 11:46 PM

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If a burnblade is physical (ie made of metal), it would be less effective against armor than plasma

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Unless that metal had a vastly higher melting point than titanium alloy

terse lava May 15, 2020, 1:32 AM

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Met gameplay standpoint

abstract venture May 15, 2020, 2:14 AM

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What do u guys think happened to intrepid eye

last anchor May 15, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Purged by ONI most likely. Hopefully we’ll find out in Ferrets 3

jolly furnace May 15, 2020, 11:00 AM

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Wasn't she still around by H5. She to my knowledge had a vast information network and used it in her plans to eventually secure humanity's ascendance to the Mantle.

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By June 2557, ONI had discovered Intrepid Eye's escape from containment and learned from their mistakes as they prepared to try to capture 343 Guilty Spark.[22]

Intrepid Eye's current fate is unknown. If she remained aboard Argent Moon, she may have been destroyed with it in October 2558 when Blue Team scuttled the station after the asteroidea got out and killed the crew before the station was subsequently discovered by Covenant scavengers.[23]

versed helm May 15, 2020, 11:02 AM

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Think Atriox and Volir will be enemies in Halo Infinite?

jolly furnace May 15, 2020, 11:02 AM

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So we don't know Intrepid's fate yet. She either died on board if ONI didn't get her or she escaped

slow socket May 15, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Did the halos only kill sentient life or just all life because i feel a 100,000 years wouldn't be enough time to form a new eco system from scratch it would alteast take a million or 2

jolly furnace May 15, 2020, 11:03 AM

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All life

carmine sleet May 15, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Life was reseeded after the Forerunners fired the array

jolly furnace May 15, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Most planets were covered in solute which disintegrated aything killed by halo pulse

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And what Slipstream said

slow socket May 15, 2020, 11:04 AM

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Yeah but there only seemed to be one arc per planet so I'm wondering how all the species got spread out

jolly furnace May 15, 2020, 11:05 AM

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The Forerunners used keyships and other vessels to send the species to their home planets

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It took over a century to do

shut dew May 15, 2020, 12:10 PM

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It only kills all neurologically complex life, IIRC

versed helm May 15, 2020, 2:33 PM

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There was also the Dark Times in which species that failed to acclimate to the changed environments of their respective home worlds died out

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Yeah but there only seemed to be one arc per planet so I'm wondering how all the species got spread out
@slow socket There is only one arc, though some rings were used in the latest stages of the war to host some humans (and perhaps other species as well)

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Like Omega Halo before the Ur-Didact composed most of its human population

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So whatever became of the Deep Reverence after the San'Shyuum rebellion was suppressed?

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Do you mean the civil war or the human-san'shyuum alliance?

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That part where the Master Builder used a Halo to sterilize Janjur Qom

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If I'm not mistaken its fate is unknown

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I'm betting that it inspired the creation of High Charity

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Well, the san'shyuum saw the forerunner as gods after the halo array was fired

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And whatever memories they had of the Deep Reverence probably influenced the design of High Charity

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Yeah, likely

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Ngl,i would love to see a concept art of a Fortress-class warship

versed helm May 15, 2020, 5:38 PM

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A big question I had was if (and if so, when) the prophets knew the true intent of the halo arrays during 2 and 3

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There was the fact that they misread "reclaimer" as "reclamation" when reading forerunner artifacts, and the suppression and genocide of the human race

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 5:39 PM

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during Halo 2? nah

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During Halo 3, maybe you could argue that Truth figured it out, but I personally doubt it

versed helm May 15, 2020, 5:39 PM

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about Halo 2 it seemed the only indication of at least Truth knowing about it was his ability to let mercy and regret die as a power grab

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 5:39 PM

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I guess it'd depend on how much stock you put into his Ark dialogue

versed helm May 15, 2020, 5:39 PM

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oh in 3 it was basically implied he knew

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 5:39 PM

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he would have done that no matter what

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it doesn't help that H3 Truth is practically a different character

versed helm May 15, 2020, 5:40 PM

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"I admit...I need your help...but that secret...dies with the rest." -Truth to St. Johnson before activating all the halo arrays

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 5:40 PM

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i just take that line literally

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as in, the secret is that humans are needed to make forerunner stuff work

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if the rest of the covenant knew about the connection of humans to forerunners, they'd doubt Truth

versed helm May 15, 2020, 5:41 PM

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I think it would make most sense at face value to assume mercy and regret didnt fully understand the purpose of the arrays but truth knew

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 5:41 PM

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I opened the portal to this hallowed place, this shelter from Halo's fire, in the hopes that more of our Covenant would join us. Alas, save for a rabble of Heretics and their Demon allies, we are all that remains on this new world. So we must temper joy and sorrow in our hearts, for those who were left behind.

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 5:42 PM

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it's not like Truth got any special treatment from the Monitors, tho

versed helm May 15, 2020, 5:42 PM

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I think the power grab truth had in letting mercy and regret die was more about him than his knowledge about the arrays

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 5:42 PM

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he heard all the same stuff that the other prophets did

versed helm May 15, 2020, 5:42 PM

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its interesting because in 3 it was pretty evident he at least knew about it whereas in 2 it seemed much harder to figure out

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like you said though, he was much different in 3

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 5:43 PM

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in 3, there's really only one line that suggests it. the line Ostral quoted

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but that doesn't really mesh with the rest of the covenant. they were all expecting to transcend and go on the journey

versed helm May 15, 2020, 5:44 PM

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well of course, that's the reason they made a religion out of it

carmine sleet May 15, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Who was it who wrote the stories for Halo 2 and 3 again?

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 5:44 PM

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truth would have egg on his face if he fired the rings and then the rest of the covenant just sat there waiting

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Staten wrote Halo 2.

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 5:44 PM

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they'd be like, "where's our godhood?"

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 5:44 PM

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And several other people wrote Halo 3

carmine sleet May 15, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Aye, thought so with Halo 2. Maybe the other people writing Halo 3 is the reason why Truth acts so different to his Halo 2 appearance. Like they didn't exactly agree with the version of Truth we got in Halo 2 and that resulted in what we got in terms of character for Truth in Halo 3

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 5:45 PM

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From what I remember, Halo 3's writing process was particularly chaotic

carmine sleet May 15, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Aye, yeah, that would explain allot of things

versed helm May 15, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Besides the fact that truth was a psychopath, it can be said truth definitely had some faith in the great journey and kinda shrugged off everything the monitors said

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The prophets saw the monitors as annoying anyway

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 5:46 PM

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regret did

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mercy was pretty devoted to them

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Mercy absolutely believed in the Journey

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he was the most devout of the 3 prophets

versed helm May 15, 2020, 5:47 PM

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so wait, then why would truth send tartarus out to fire the delta halo array knowing it would wipe him out too?

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 5:47 PM

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that's why i don't think he knew

versed helm May 15, 2020, 5:48 PM

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yeah otherwise he would have never made it to the ark unless he had some idea they were going to be stopped

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 5:48 PM

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he wanted to find the ark as a backup, in case tartarus failed

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which is just good strategy

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you never put all your eggs in one basket

versed helm May 15, 2020, 5:49 PM

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i like to think he knew tartarus was going to fail anyway

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 5:49 PM

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i don't think you give them something as critical as an index if you think they're gonna fail

versed helm May 15, 2020, 5:49 PM

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although overall it makes sense in canon that the prophets never knew except for truth

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 5:50 PM

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in halo 2, it doesn't make sense that he knew

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it only kind of maybe makes sense in H3

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but even that is dubious

versed helm May 15, 2020, 5:50 PM

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I think he only figured out Halo's purpose between Halo 2 and Halo 3, since he let Tartarus fire the rings when he was still in the galaxy. After that, I guess he realised firing the rings was still the only way to keep his power as religious leader and kill all his enemies

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 5:51 PM

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but i don't see where he would have learned the true nature of the halos between 2 and 3

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all he did was spend time on the Key ship

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and they'd had that ship for millenia

terse lava May 15, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Figured
He lesrned.it from spark. Or perhaps at the ark Mendicant Bias informed him

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 6:12 PM

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when would spark have told him?

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i also don't think MB would have talked with him

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not after their last interaction

terse lava May 15, 2020, 6:40 PM

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It could be easily said that after Mercy and himself talked to spark, he returned.later alone

visual fox May 15, 2020, 7:02 PM

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MB could have easily told truth the nature of the halo rings when MB told truth about the humans being the true heir of the forerunners

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Also in halo 2 tarturus uses his gravity hammer to take spark from arby assuming tarty took spark but to truth it would make sense

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 7:24 PM

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If truth had learned the truth before getting the index, then he wouldn’t have sent Tartarus to fire the rings while truth himself was still in the galaxy

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On the off chance Tartarus succeeded, truth would have been signing his own death warrant

feral perch May 15, 2020, 7:26 PM

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By the level The Covenant in Halo 3, Truth does appear to know what the Halos do

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Very confusing

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Well, Bungie wasn’t the best at being consistent with canon

feral perch May 15, 2020, 7:32 PM

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The Brutes are so pious they would never betray him, the Grunts are hapless, and Jackals aren’t well-versed in Covenant theology

simple locust May 15, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Just to double check, the Covenant often uses purple as their main color and I recall Ado 'Ulamee stating that was likely the color the Stoics also used. So I see their airplane are silver with some yellow markings. Covenant ships usually appear purple like the banshee, so could the same be said for the airplanes or is there a reason to considered it different for them? Also is there a particular reason they use purple? I heard in real life it represents royalty, but I would need to double-check that.

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 7:35 PM

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The Brutes are so pious they would never betray him, the Grunts are hapless, and Jackals aren’t well-versed in Covenant theology
Atriox intensifies
yap yap intensifies

hollow wraith May 15, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Ah YapYap

feral perch May 15, 2020, 7:37 PM

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The exceptions that prove the rules

visual fox May 15, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Atriox and tap tap are literally the only ones

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I wish we knew more about the CAS class ships

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Or the CSO

simple locust May 15, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Or could the colors the Stoics used have varied, like how the color of San'Shyuum chairs vary from Silver, Purple, Teal, and others?

feral perch May 15, 2020, 7:38 PM

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The CSO is literally just a massively upscale CAS

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 7:38 PM

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All you need to know is: they big

visual fox May 15, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Yes but I want to see more CSOd

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Why didn’t truth have like 10 CSO when he went to earth

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The not in universe answer is bungie didn’t have the idea for it

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Until halo tech

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Reach*

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But wouldn’t it make sense for regret and truths flagships to be CSO?

feral perch May 15, 2020, 7:40 PM

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CSOs are support ships primarily, not flagships

simple locust May 15, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Also why did the Prophets use the Sentinels in the War of Beginnings but not during the later conflicts with Sentinels? Were they unable to control them later on?

visual fox May 15, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Uh CSO being support ships lol

stoic hamlet May 15, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Size doesn’t equal killing power

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Most support ships today are larger than the ships dedicated to killing.

terse lava May 15, 2020, 8:01 PM

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@simple locusti dont recall saying that. The color purple was used by ancient san shyuum on their homeworld and also by the sangheili before the Covenant as well

simple locust May 15, 2020, 8:07 PM

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OK I had asked before and I think was a response but finding it probably take awhile, since the page is usually pretty full. I was just asking a follow up question since I noticed how the planes they used were silver with yellow markings, or at least a yellow marking. So are you estimating their armor for their soldiers would be purple or different? Also why do they use the color purple?

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Because purple is neat

candid cape May 15, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Since the Sangheili bleed purple blood, their culture may have the same psychological associations with the color purple as we do with the color red. For us, red can signify violence, anger, war, etc. mainly because it is associated with blood. Purple may be the exact same thing for the Sangheili.

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Ngl I stole this from a guy on halowaypoint.com

median trout May 15, 2020, 8:16 PM

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That’s really smart thinking. I like it.

versed helm May 15, 2020, 8:45 PM

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What happened to the Honour Guards who were replaced?

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 8:45 PM

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They took up drinking

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 8:46 PM

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I could see that

versed helm May 15, 2020, 8:46 PM

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Wouldn't blame them.

near tide May 15, 2020, 8:46 PM

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🤷‍♂️

versed helm May 15, 2020, 8:47 PM

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I think it would be cool if this was expanded or something.

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I'd say they probably returned to Sanghelios out of suspicion.

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Or whatever other colony they hail from. :^)

versed helm May 15, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Yeah, they could have been hired by important leaders for protection.

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Or even serve in the civil war.

near tide May 15, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Some may have joined the Banished

versed helm May 15, 2020, 8:50 PM

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I doubt that.

near tide May 15, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Why?

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 8:50 PM

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The banished do have honor guards

versed helm May 15, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Right but what if they just replicated the training?

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 8:50 PM

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We may never know

versed helm May 15, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Yeah but as I was saying, the Elites already have really bad relations between them and the Brutes. Isn't Volir like almost shamed and frowned upon by his race?

near tide May 15, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Elites may have joined the Banished

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Silent Shadow joined

versed helm May 15, 2020, 8:52 PM

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No they have.

near tide May 15, 2020, 8:52 PM

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silent shadow who hunted down any brutes they could

versed helm May 15, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Volir's army is the only known group of Elites in the Banished, right?

near tide May 15, 2020, 8:52 PM

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no

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Some other elites joined

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but probably not large amounts

versed helm May 15, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Hmm.

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Do you have a link to this?

near tide May 15, 2020, 8:53 PM

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about what?

versed helm May 15, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Smaller groups joining out of choice.

near tide May 15, 2020, 8:54 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Banished

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Scroll down to governance and society 3rd paragraph

versed helm May 15, 2020, 8:58 PM

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I read it.

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Thank you.

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I had the chance to read the relations between the two races and I have to say, it was stupid of these Elites to join in the first place.

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I understand that Volir didn't really have a choice.

terse lava May 15, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Would say more pragmatic as the fleet he was apart of must have been running low on resources

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Like as if he was running low on options.

terse lava May 15, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Well he didnt want t to join Thel or Jul

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:10 PM

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So he joined a race who hated his kind.

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And sent his men on suicide missions.

carmine sleet May 15, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Atriox doesn't hate the Elites

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 9:17 PM

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He just doesn't care about their welfare. Though I guess that's true for basically anyone in the Banished except for possibly his inner circle

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Decimus does.

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I do respect Volir's decision in a sense of preserving his ship and men.

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Although it will probably be temporary.

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Yep. RIP his ship

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:21 PM

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And all his men lmao.

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If The Banished are the main enemies in Halo Infinite then I can see a mission involving Rtas or Thel being sent to hunt Volir down.

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Whether to negotiate or eliminate him.

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Like the mission in H2 where Thel hunts down Sesa.

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 9:29 PM

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If The Banished are the main enemies in Halo Infinite
God I hope not

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 9:30 PM

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i too hope not

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:34 PM

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How come? Sorry, I am just curious.

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 9:34 PM

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I really just...hate them

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Mainly stems from their ineptitude and the inconsistency of Atriox's character.

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 9:35 PM

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i don't hate them, but i do feel like they don't naturally fit into the main narrative after where they left off in HW2

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Fair enough.

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I personally wouldn't mind it myself.

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But that's because I prefer fighting against Brutes over Elites.

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I don't know why but I just feel bad fighting against them lol.

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 9:37 PM

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I feel the same, but it's fine as long as there are also ally Elites to fight alongside

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:38 PM

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That's one of the main things I want for Infinite.

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SoS allies.

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Indeed

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:38 PM

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With the H2A design.

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Think that's guaranteed.

humble yacht May 15, 2020, 9:38 PM

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smh y'all forgot reach

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Oh, I didn't forget. I just don't like it. ;)

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:38 PM

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-_-

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Hate to interrupt, but we got so close to SoS in classic art styel with Halo 5, but the new style ruined it

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Well, toys confirm the H2A faces are back for Infinite

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Thankfully

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Think that's guaranteed.
Maybe, Volir and his Elites had the H2A design.

carmine sleet May 15, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Hate to interrupt, but we got so close to SoS in classic art styel with Halo 5, but the new style ruined it
What do you mean by "close"? If I recall, the SoS Elites in Halo 5 are basically the standard H4/5 Elites but with the colours of the SoS and covering their arms

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:41 PM

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I think he's referring to the design for them when Locke speaks to then in H2A.

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But that was done by Blur Studios.

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We had a H2A cutscene with Osiris and SoS in classic art style with bits of H5's style

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Oh I c

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That was done by a different studio.

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Well that changes everything

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Yeah, it was done using assets made for H2A, so not that close, really.

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:42 PM

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But it seems that 343i have taken notes at the general preference for that design over H5. HW2 can be used as an example.

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Ye

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I actually heard somewhere that they were starting the shift mid H5 development

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:43 PM

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If we get more SoS allies in Infinite, I hope we get more funny dialogue that we have heard from H2 and 3. Makes them more down to earth to me.

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2 & 3 dialogue was a blessing

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"Perhaps we could take a break, I could do with a nap."

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It was also satisfying how they would compliment your skill in 2.

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They would always talk about staring

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 9:44 PM

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IWHBYD dialogue is actually pretty funny in H5 as well

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:45 PM

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True

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I hope that we get classic marines in Infinite

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Haven't heard their dialogue for that game.

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I love the HW2 design for the Marines, the ones with balaclavas combined with the helmets and visors.

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They looked so amazing

simple locust May 15, 2020, 9:47 PM

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I prefer the H2A and HW2 marines over the ones shown in the Infinite trailer. The new ones are step in the right direction though.

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Haven't heard their dialogue for that game.
The first Elite dialogue starts here, and I guess continues in patches for the rest of the video.
https://youtu.be/65ne2JSPcec?t=38

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Indeed they are.

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There was only one in the Infinite trailer, and he isn't really a marine when compared in other games

simple locust May 15, 2020, 9:47 PM

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I mean the ones walking on the ground.

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:48 PM

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He's still considered one, just a sect where he gets different armor and all that

simple locust May 15, 2020, 9:48 PM

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In the first trailer.

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Oh my God, the teabag reference was amazing. @gilded mason

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In the first trailer, that's a different story

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Their style could've changed, but yeah I see what you mean

simple locust May 15, 2020, 9:49 PM

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I have said this before but I hope we get Thornbeasts and have the ability to order the marines to attempt to ride them, then just have them scream and get off.

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It would be funny.

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:49 PM

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That video reminded me of another thing, imagine if we get characters like Thel as announcers for Infinite?

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Emile, Johnson, Hood and some others.

simple locust May 15, 2020, 9:50 PM

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I hope we get story DLC and it would be nice to get one with Thel.

gilded mason May 15, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Indeed

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:51 PM

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It will be a live service.

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I really hope Arby's in Infinite, it's wierd having 2 chiefs around

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I'd rather have Thel as Chief's companion than Locke.

carmine sleet May 15, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Could easily have Blue Team as the other player characters in co-op

simple locust May 15, 2020, 9:51 PM

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I mean Halo 2 had 2 Chiefs and 2 Arbiters with Halo 2 on Co-op.

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Or have N'tho and the boys return if you play as Thel.

simple locust May 15, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I would like Rtas as a third character.

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Good shout.

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But I don't want to raise my expectations, unfortunately, they are considerably low.

simple locust May 15, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I do not understand why they did not do that for Halo 3.

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Probably 'cuz they made him a side character in H3

simple locust May 15, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Well they did that with Arbiter too.

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Kind of a wierd move, but it allowed 2 new Elite characters to come into place

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True

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N'tho and Usze are really cool characters man, what you say is heresy!

I do not understand why they did not do that for Halo 3.

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Plus he was needed for other roles.

simple locust May 15, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Well Rtas had more development in Halo 2 and 3 than they did, they did not talk in the cutscenes I think or even appear but I'm not completely sure of that.

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:56 PM

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They didn't speak in cutscenes.

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It was just nice of them to expand upon the characters.

simple locust May 15, 2020, 9:57 PM

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I would have liked them to have appeared in cutscenes though.

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And talked.

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:57 PM

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I think Usze was in one of the Halo novels about the Ark post-Halo 3

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Or N'tho

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Don't exactly remember

carmine sleet May 15, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Both of them are

simple locust May 15, 2020, 9:58 PM

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The way they sound in the books is interesting but in game they are just additional playable characters who do not talk.

versed helm May 15, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Oh I c

simple locust May 15, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Also what was the worst defeat the UNSC faced against Insurrectionists?

versed helm May 15, 2020, 10:05 PM

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N'tho and Usze feature in Hunters in the Dark.

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Along with a very salty Spartan who lost a limb.

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I'm glad that they're just minor characters.

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In terms of H3 anyway.

simple locust May 15, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Why?

versed helm May 15, 2020, 10:10 PM

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They were never intended to have a bigger role anyway, Bungie just decided to add those characters in for 4 player co-op. Their lore was expanded later on.

stable silo May 15, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Do the present day San'Shyuum have any record of their alliance with the ancient humans? I'm sure they forgot about it thanks to the Forerunners, but did the Forerunners destroy all evidence of it in San'Shyuum society as well when they obliterated ancient humanity?

obsidian thistle May 15, 2020, 10:24 PM

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If they did. It obviously was either
Locked away (or destroyed) on High Charity
Or on their homeworld which is another can of worms.

simple locust May 15, 2020, 10:51 PM

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So would San'Shyuum Stoic soldiers armor have been purple?

obsidian thistle May 15, 2020, 11:12 PM

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I dont think that info is out tbh

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This is all we have in visuals. And its of two sides fighting

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/b/b8/HM-Keyship.png

simple locust May 15, 2020, 11:24 PM

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So why did the Covenant and other groups adapt purple as their color?

simple locust May 15, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Did purple signify anything?

obsidian thistle May 15, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Not sure tbh

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https://web.archive.org/web/20070126131232/http://www.joyridestudios.com/halo2_7_heretic_banshee.asp

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This is the closest I could find on that subject.

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So it seems to just be a manufacturer thing.

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Maybe based on the material used

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https://www.halopedia.org/Nanolaminate

Halopedia

Nanolaminate

Nanolaminate is a type of material used as battle plating for Covenant warships and Sangheili combat harnesses. Possessing a characteristic opalescent-like shine, nanolaminate can range in color from purplish to white-blue or silver, while Kig-Yar vessels are generally bluish-...

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@simple locust

jolly fractal May 15, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Ooh

spiral jewel May 16, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Unless my math is incorrect, the SoF is almost a Miniature Infinity (and it's sister the Eternity) at 1.5 miles in length, compared to the Infinity's 3.5 miles in length

versed helm May 16, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Doesn't purple mean royalty?

humble yacht May 16, 2020, 12:36 AM

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in human culture, purple has long been considered a royal color

near tide May 16, 2020, 1:14 AM

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I for one would want to fight the banished

queen otter May 16, 2020, 1:38 AM

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I hope we can in Infinite but for the mean time we got halo wars 2

jolly furnace May 16, 2020, 2:12 AM

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@stable silo A bas relief mural on their homeworld has a reference to the human-san'shyuum alliance in that it depicts a san'shyuum and a human in it

versed helm May 16, 2020, 2:13 AM

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Hopefully we fight Atriox as Master Chief

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helmet

last anchor May 16, 2020, 3:08 AM

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SoF is about half Infinity’s length yes

fair hazel May 16, 2020, 3:40 AM

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speaking of spirit of fire..

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also, I much rather metric than miles

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but it's one of the assets i like imagining being put in star wars

last anchor May 16, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Cleaner

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Also it’s bigger than an ISD

fair hazel May 16, 2020, 3:42 AM

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it's got onboard factories, systems and its just a wow ship as a repurposed colony ship

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the bases, logistics, all of that is wow

last anchor May 16, 2020, 3:42 AM

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There’s a reason people love it

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Also it’s tough as nails

fair hazel May 16, 2020, 3:44 AM

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that would probably replace home one

last anchor May 16, 2020, 3:45 AM

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I’m pretty sure it’s bigger

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Also more effective at planetary occupation than an ISD

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Only thing it’s lacking is fighters and with its PD array it might not need em

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Plus literally ENDLESS Archers

fair hazel May 16, 2020, 3:47 AM

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as long as its got materials

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which should be okay

last anchor May 16, 2020, 3:48 AM

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I would think gaining them would be easy

limpid kernel May 16, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Bigger than a USB stick

near tide May 16, 2020, 6:45 AM

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Is all information in Halo New Blood canon?

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 6:45 AM

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Yeah

near tide May 16, 2020, 6:46 AM

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All of it?

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 6:46 AM

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I assume so. Why, did you read something you have doubts is canon?

near tide May 16, 2020, 6:46 AM

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Yep

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Jun states him and his teamates were abducted by Halsey at age six.

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Ackerson created S-III's

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 6:48 AM

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You sure it was Jun who said that?

near tide May 16, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Yep

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There are no spartan 2's who appeared in the book

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Actually, there are

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Musa is a SII

near tide May 16, 2020, 6:49 AM

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forgot about him lol

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 6:49 AM

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And Musa is the one who said Halsey abducted him

near tide May 16, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Nvm lol

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 6:49 AM

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lol

near tide May 16, 2020, 6:58 AM

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I lose braincells daily

fair hazel May 16, 2020, 7:15 AM

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oof, well i read there are no spartan 2s who appeared in the books. with an s. i was like what?

near tide May 16, 2020, 7:25 AM

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,

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?

versed helm May 16, 2020, 7:30 AM

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Which book?

fair hazel May 16, 2020, 7:53 AM

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all of them i read books with an s

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Oh. You're saying you thought this:
"There are no spartan 2's who appeared in the book"
Was this:
"There are no spartan 2's who appeared in the books"

fair hazel May 16, 2020, 8:45 AM

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Yeah. I was like whaaaat

versed helm May 16, 2020, 9:13 AM

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I'm pretty sure they were referring to one book, were they not?

versed vigil May 16, 2020, 11:12 AM

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Hey everyone, I have a question. So I'm playing Reach, and wanted to know if the book or movie of Fall of Reach fits into the games more?

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What's considered canon?

bright briar May 16, 2020, 11:15 AM

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They're all canon, but there are a few differences between the game and other media.

versed vigil May 16, 2020, 11:17 AM

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What are the differences? And is it worth reading the book? Or can I just stick to the game and the animated movie?

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Sorry, kinda a noob

bright briar May 16, 2020, 11:23 AM

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The animated movie skips a lot of the details, including the actual Fall of Reach itself, whereas the game only focuses on the Fall of Reach.
The book is worth reading, though you might want to pick up the most recent version (since it's been changed numerous times to fit in with other media and be more consistent). It shows the beginning of the Spartan program, the training (there's some cool stuff there) and so on (up to the start of CE). Overall, you'll miss a bit of the details without reading the book.

If you don't want to, you can just check it out on Halopedia. All the information is there.

versed vigil May 16, 2020, 11:24 AM

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Ohhh okay, so the book was retconned to fit in with the other media?

bright briar May 16, 2020, 11:26 AM

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Well, more to fix little errors. It's pretty much still the same thing. Nothing major was changed.

versed vigil May 16, 2020, 11:27 AM

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Alright, cool

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Thank you!

bright briar May 16, 2020, 11:31 AM

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Np!

versed helm May 16, 2020, 12:37 PM

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Lol, they had to patch a book.

versed helm May 16, 2020, 1:12 PM

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@gilded mason You mentioned the other day that the Infinite merchandise revealed a H2A design for the Elites. From what I recall, the only design we have seen is a golden one. Don't you think he fits more with the Halo Reach design?

simple locust May 16, 2020, 2:00 PM

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So where is Del Rio now?

humble yacht May 16, 2020, 2:00 PM

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he became a senator, or something like that

simple locust May 16, 2020, 2:00 PM

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In Hunt the Truth?

humble yacht May 16, 2020, 2:01 PM

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that might be where it was mentioned, i don't remember

simple locust May 16, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Did he become a senator because Master Chief went rogue?

humble yacht May 16, 2020, 2:01 PM

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no

simple locust May 16, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Was he elected?

humble yacht May 16, 2020, 2:02 PM

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probably, that's how senators are chosen

simple locust May 16, 2020, 2:03 PM

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So did humans like him before Halo 4?

humble yacht May 16, 2020, 2:03 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

simple locust May 16, 2020, 2:03 PM

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In lore, such as before the events of before Halo 4.

humble yacht May 16, 2020, 2:04 PM

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read up on his halopedia page, it'll have a nice breakdown

simple locust May 16, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Are the writers setting him up to become a Palpatine-like character?

carmine sleet May 16, 2020, 2:05 PM

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No

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Del Rio isn't a "Palpatine-like" character

simple locust May 16, 2020, 2:06 PM

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I mean to become one, such as becoming the highest leader in the government.

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Or just continue as he was but with more power.

carmine sleet May 16, 2020, 2:09 PM

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He's not going to become like Palpatine

gleaming mauve May 16, 2020, 3:06 PM

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I am the senate!

simple locust May 16, 2020, 3:10 PM

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This is a hypothetical question but could Meatwad be a Precursor?

stoic hamlet May 16, 2020, 4:22 PM

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I really don’t get the hate for Del Rio, tbh.

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Almost all his points were correct, he was just not great at combat leadership.

deep pewter May 16, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Cortana needed to be decommissioned

runic inlet May 16, 2020, 4:54 PM

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How did cortana contact MC when he was on the Argent Moon? Thought he was just having a PTSD moment ?

stoic hamlet May 16, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Through the domain

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It’s (I think?) How Gravemind was able to talk to him in H3, as welll. But don’t quote me on that.

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Sounds right, I thiiiink?

stoic hamlet May 16, 2020, 4:56 PM

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When in doubt, neural physics.

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 4:57 PM

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@versed helm
You mentioned the other day that the Infinite merchandise revealed a H2A design for the Elites. From what I recall, the only design we have seen is a golden one. Don't you think he fits more with the Halo Reach design?
I mean the face is H2A. The armor design seems like a mix between several games (mostly Reach)

versed helm May 16, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Even then, the biological appearance resembled that of Halo Reach.

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 4:58 PM

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The face is what matters most to me

versed helm May 16, 2020, 4:58 PM

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But the face was a bit too dark (probably intentional).

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So I think it is hard to say.

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Hm? We got extreme close ups of the face

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It's undoubtedly H2A

versed helm May 16, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Let me see for a moment.

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 5:00 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/508168005365268480/681677020333211688/ERk7xmcUcAAsGCB.png

versed helm May 16, 2020, 5:00 PM

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I've seen it now.

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I understand where you are coming from.

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That fills me with some form of hope.

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Thank you for the clarification anyway.

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 5:02 PM

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👍

feral perch May 16, 2020, 5:07 PM

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The paint app is not great

little wing May 16, 2020, 5:23 PM

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how do elites eat

clever fable May 16, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Honorably, and with precision.

deep pewter May 16, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Like animals because that’s what their jaws support

versed helm May 16, 2020, 5:45 PM

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how do elites eat
They chew with the upper mandibles while using the lower ones as a supporting ridge.

clever fable May 16, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Is there an excessive use of napkins?

versed helm May 16, 2020, 6:02 PM

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What?

clever fable May 16, 2020, 6:02 PM

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If they eat something juicy, do they need to use a lot of Napkins?

versed helm May 16, 2020, 6:03 PM

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I doubt that.

clever fable May 16, 2020, 6:03 PM

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lol

main rivet May 16, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Yeah I really like Del Rio as a character. On paper he's absolutely right, but he's totally wrong.

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It's also a character that just technically could not have worked before Halo 4 and its leap forward in facial animation for the franchise.

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The opening of "Reclaimer" is an excellent use of subtle animation... you know without him saying a word that he's a dude who's way over his head.

stoic hamlet May 16, 2020, 6:17 PM

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He’s a man who was in a bad situation with no real right answer.

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 6:17 PM

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lol

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But yeah

stoic hamlet May 16, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Objectively he made the right call based off the info he had, and he wasn’t wrong to do so.

And I do wish that was mentioned.

last anchor May 16, 2020, 6:36 PM

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I mean, he ended up being a politician when he got the boot from the UNSC so someone must have thought he had the right idea.
Hes not really a bad guy, just...not the right man for the job.

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We have to remember; Parangosky set him up as the fall-man.

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She wanted Lasky to weidl the Big Stick. But she couldn't just...hand the Big Stick to Lasky cause Hood would be a bit peeved.
So she installed someone she KNEW would fail at SOME point, and waited till that happened.
And now the Prophesy of Parangosky has come to pass...Thomas Lasky weilds THE BIG STICK with BOTH hands

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And yes I will CONTINUE to refer to the UNSC Infinity as "the Big Stick" until it stops LOOKING LIKE A BIG STICK

stoic hamlet May 16, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Wasn’t Del Rio a Navy thing?

last anchor May 16, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Yes

stoic hamlet May 16, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Navy got to pick the captain.

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ONI the XO, IIRC

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 6:37 PM

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I thought it was kinda odd that Hood wanted Del Rio and Parangosky wanted Lasky. It feels like that'd be reversed (if anything)

stoic hamlet May 16, 2020, 6:38 PM

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I think it makes sense

versed helm May 16, 2020, 6:38 PM

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I know a lot of people will get annoyed at me for asking this but, who is Del Rio?

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Captain of the Infinity in Halo 4

stoic hamlet May 16, 2020, 6:39 PM

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The Navy’s gotten the crap kicked out of it for 27 years, and Del Rio was an officer known for getting ships back home in relatively good condition.

Lasky was at that point a relative unknown, right?

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They were probably picking who would captain it for years, tbh.

versed helm May 16, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Oh yeah, the guy who tried to argue with Chief in Halo 4.

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 6:40 PM

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I meant more that Lasky's temperament doesn't seem like the kind of thing Parangosky would have an affinity for.

deep pewter May 16, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Why did Hood pick Del Rio in the first place?

stoic hamlet May 16, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Ah.

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Because he was a capable officer known for getting ships home in one piece.

An admirable quality when your ship is the Navy’s prize possession.

humble yacht May 16, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Del Rio wasn't originally intended to be the ship's captain. he was the project overseer, iirc

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but things happened and he fell into the captain position

deep pewter May 16, 2020, 6:58 PM

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That makes more sense

last anchor May 16, 2020, 7:04 PM

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He commanded her during The Thursday War and he kind of ended up just staying didnt he?
Also she wasnt planned to be a brawling vessel, she was refitted for exploration and Ring Control missions.
Del Rio would have handed that just fine...

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But then Requiem happened

deep pewter May 16, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Del Rio was just kinda there in Thursday War, you don’t get too much of a feel for him

runic inlet May 16, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Any reason how he flood survived high charity even though the reactors where overloaded and survived the firing of the ring?

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The*

carmine sleet May 16, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Because Awakening the Nightmare was fan service for Flood fans

clever fable May 16, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Probably not too far off the actual answer.

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I'm guessing in the story there'll be remarks about the reactors not being able to make a big enough boom to level the entirety of High Charity, and the ring firing prematurely according to Guilty Spark.

versed helm May 16, 2020, 11:12 PM

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So if you were some random alien race and you saw the Covenant expansion and they just showed up to your world,what would you do?

near tide May 16, 2020, 11:16 PM

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I'd gtfo

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 11:16 PM

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If they have superior forces, the only real option is to accept their terms.

near tide May 16, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Or join them

gilded mason May 16, 2020, 11:16 PM

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(If those terms don't include genocide)

versed helm May 17, 2020, 12:57 AM

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If my forces were evenly matched,i'd probably fight them while trying to evacuate as much of my planet's populace as i can

near tide May 17, 2020, 1:06 AM

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good point

stoic hamlet May 17, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Why would you fight them though?

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They likely don’t want to kill you

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They want you to join

humble yacht May 17, 2020, 1:13 AM

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One does not simply say no to the covenant

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If you refuse them, they attack you. Fighting would be inevitable

stoic hamlet May 17, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Initially they would have likely offered for humanity to join peacefully. It was only after they realized the danger they posed that they declared genocide.

From what we know, the Covenant isn’t very centralized either, you could probably join then aside from a few payments of materials and the like, maybe a mission to your world but aside from that I doubt the main body would pay you much notice.

humble yacht May 17, 2020, 1:15 AM

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A race shouldn’t have to join them in any capacity if they don’t want to

stoic hamlet May 17, 2020, 1:15 AM

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Sure @humble yacht but I can’t imagine any species relatively stuck in their home system would refuse to join, even as a low level, irrelevant vassal. As long as the terms weren’t steep

humble yacht May 17, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Maybe they don’t want to pay taxes. Maybe they don’t want to adopt another organization’s ways

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There could be plenty of reasons to say no, even if it came down to just not feeling up to it

stoic hamlet May 17, 2020, 1:18 AM

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On the former, I could buy that. On the latter, we don’t really know how the covenant operates. From what I can tell, they don’t have a very hands on form of government, so long as you pay a tithe and worship the Forerunners in the way the religion demands they don’t seem to necessarily pay much attention to you.

Like the Yohnet, or the....Hesuderos(?) Sangheili.

gilded mason May 17, 2020, 1:19 AM

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Yeah, you could be one of the colonies that they forget about for decades/centuries

versed helm May 17, 2020, 1:19 AM

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Where do the engineers come?

humble yacht May 17, 2020, 1:20 AM

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The forerunners

gilded mason May 17, 2020, 1:20 AM

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Schooling

versed helm May 17, 2020, 1:20 AM

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Realy

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Lol

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They are forerunners?

humble yacht May 17, 2020, 1:20 AM

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No, they were created by forerunners

versed helm May 17, 2020, 1:21 AM

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Yes I understood that

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But so why aren't they gods?

humble yacht May 17, 2020, 1:22 AM

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Because they’re not actual forerunners

versed helm May 17, 2020, 1:22 AM

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Wat

gilded mason May 17, 2020, 1:22 AM

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They’re basically tools

humble yacht May 17, 2020, 1:22 AM

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They’re like sentinels, except less dangerous

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And not metal

versed helm May 17, 2020, 1:22 AM

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Hum ok

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Like the little things we see in halo 2 before quarantine zone

slow socket May 17, 2020, 2:11 AM

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When do you think the master cheif like was at his best like physically and mentally

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I think halo 2 was probably his prime since he received the mk6 and still had cortana with him

gusty star May 17, 2020, 2:30 AM

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He's likely still in his prime.

jolly furnace May 17, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Didnt Warfleet mention the Covenant have wiped out other species who refused to join the Covenant.

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If so that tells us the Covenant have a join or die policy

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I don't they take no for an answer when they offer you membership

humble yacht May 17, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Just like the dark side

jolly furnace May 17, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Yeah

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I don't see humanity joining if offered either

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Covy society was too different to their own

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and humans don't like being ruled by other species

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or being told what to do

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I think war was inevitable between humanity and Covenant regardless of everything

gilded mason May 17, 2020, 2:52 AM

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I think self-preservation would win out for a lot of humans.

clever fable May 17, 2020, 2:53 AM

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I'd join an alien hegemony for some of that sweet technology tbh

near tide May 17, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Didnt Warfleet mention the Covenant have wiped out other species who refused to join the Covenant.
@jolly furnace The covenant may have wiped out species. But, they almost wiped out Ungoyy and lekgolo

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They just didn't wipe them out because they were useful

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They kind of forced them to join

visual fox May 17, 2020, 3:46 AM

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They didnt wipe out the lekgolo

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they tried

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to

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but they were

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to numerous in number

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Plus it was hard to kill them because they were around forerunner artifacts

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Also for above like way above for the animation fall of reach

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they didnt skip

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anything

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well actually they skipped the Keyes loop

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but other than that they only showed Johns backstory

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they have yet to animate the actual fall of reach

stoic hamlet May 17, 2020, 4:35 AM

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They changed a bunch though, and not for the better.

And thankfully all the bad stuff was retconned basically with the next release of lore, so we can all forget that disgrace ever existed and move on with our lives.

gilded mason May 17, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Indeed

visual fox May 17, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Yeah that was because bungie didnt adapt the fall of reach

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so we cant really blame 343

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for this

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they were just trying to fit halo reach and fall of reach toghther

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we can see this when they added jorge as a character

gilded mason May 17, 2020, 4:48 AM

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I think Canadian might've also been talking about making John incredibly violent and having some of the Spartans die during training?

visual fox May 17, 2020, 4:49 AM

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i dont understand why thats a bad thing to add

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it adds on to Johns character

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makes him more human

gilded mason May 17, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Uh, not in a good way.

visual fox May 17, 2020, 4:49 AM

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in a way

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He isnt just a killing machine

carmine sleet May 17, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Making him more violent kinda feeds into the killing machine idea

versed helm May 17, 2020, 8:50 AM

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Someone raised this as a point, what if the Honour Guards committed suicide for serving the Prophets?

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Then again, it seems that they were killed in Installation 05's control room.

carmine sleet May 17, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Not all of them

versed helm May 17, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Well it seemed that they kept some prisoners.

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But they were High Councilors.

carmine sleet May 17, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Oh, I misread what you said, I thought you meant all honour guards were wiped out in general. My bad

versed helm May 17, 2020, 8:57 AM

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No problem.

versed helm May 17, 2020, 12:54 PM

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Are the Covenant drop pods, stronger than the UNSC's?

terse lava May 17, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Yes

jolly furnace May 17, 2020, 2:50 PM

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I assume they are stronger yes

jaunty latch May 17, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Idk I feel like they would be same strength respectively

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They might have shielding maybe but I don’t see the metal to be any stronger then normal UNSC drop pods

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Wasn’t it stated that both use titanium to make most of there ships and weapons?

humble yacht May 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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As far as single occupancy drop pods go, covenant pods don’t appear to require any sort of slowing mechanism. Odst pods have air brakes and potentially parachutes, but the elite pods just drop. Odst pods that drop too fast appear to take outer damage, as we’ve seen in ODST

candid cape May 17, 2020, 4:44 PM

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I can’t remember if this is true or not (or I’m just going crazy) but Im pretty sure the covenant pods have rocket boosters on the top

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So if it does have it then there’s probably a shield to take the hit

fair hazel May 17, 2020, 4:53 PM

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There’s different pods. And mechanisms to help with internal forces

humble yacht May 17, 2020, 4:54 PM

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I did specify single occupancy

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We’ve only seen boosters on covenant drop pods for multiple units

fair hazel May 17, 2020, 4:58 PM

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I’m pretty sure I’ve read about the inside tech. Some do. Mention the anchors keeping occupants in place

humble yacht May 17, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Something like gravimetric suspension would keep the occupant safe no matter what happened on the outside

candid cape May 17, 2020, 5:44 PM

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I looked at the mission long night of solace where u can look at single unit drop pods and it look very empty

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Like there’s only a chair and some lights inside

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But that’s probably because the designers didn’t put much effort

humble yacht May 17, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Or the covenant are minimalist

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Halo 2 drop pods didn’t have much on the inside either

gilded mason May 17, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Here's a few paragraphs from Warfleet on Covie pods:
Unlike human equivalents, the Covenant operator has considerable discretion in how the insertion pod maneuvers during a drop.
Covenant insertion pods use compact, high-thrust impulse drives to perform evasive maneuvers and brake before impact.
The door of the insertion pod contains intertial compensation stasis generators. These mitigate the risk of the occupant being injured or killed during transit and pre-impact deceleration.

fair hazel May 17, 2020, 6:38 PM

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there we go, i was looking for that last part

versed helm May 17, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Thanks!

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Wow, they have a very cool air brake system.

obsidian thistle May 17, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Depends on the pod

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/a/af/HR_OrbitalInsertionPod_Views.png

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But it seems obvious on that one

terse lava May 17, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Dont forget the army variants, which are multiple stories high and can drop entire battalions

last anchor May 17, 2020, 8:00 PM

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And are reusable. You know those didnt show up again after 4 did they

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Or are we talking about UNSC Army not Covenant army

terse lava May 17, 2020, 8:03 PM

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I am talking of the Covenant

midnight willow May 17, 2020, 8:46 PM

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thinkingchief frank

versed helm May 17, 2020, 9:09 PM

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arbiter

terse lava May 17, 2020, 9:22 PM

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arbiter

versed helm May 17, 2020, 9:34 PM

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chief

jolly fractal May 17, 2020, 9:49 PM

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There may be a boat in the next game

terse lava May 17, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Ok?

versed helm May 18, 2020, 7:43 AM

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Do not talk about it unless it has been officially announced/revealed.

visual fox May 18, 2020, 8:15 AM

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It has been revealed it was a mega blocks set

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From mega blocks hq

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That’s official as it gets for now

carmine sleet May 18, 2020, 8:16 AM

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Mega Contrux sets where you can turn one thing into something else isn't confirmation of boats coming to Infinite

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They do sets like that all the time

versed helm May 18, 2020, 8:46 AM

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I thought this was part of the leaked stuff?

round comet May 18, 2020, 12:13 PM

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time. travel.

arctic pendant May 18, 2020, 12:32 PM

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https://twitter.com/TheEld2/status/1262241228571230209

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👀

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What I've noticed is that the tower inquestion is in a different position depending on the artwork (mobile vs desktop). Anyone remember this being described in Primordium?

carmine sleet May 18, 2020, 12:35 PM

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That's more than likely because of how mobile phone screens are viewed differently to desktop, I doubt it means that we're going to be seeing a moving tower

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Plus, I wouldn't take that tweet as confirmation of the Palace of Pain being in the game. It could be any old Forerunner structure on any ring

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Like, it's still not outright confirmed to be Zeta Halo since the evidence does not point to it being that ring outright

round comet May 18, 2020, 12:37 PM

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i hope its taking place on zeta halo, but yeah its not confirmed

arctic pendant May 18, 2020, 12:40 PM

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I'll take Zeta as granted, because of the Pelican HUD and the morse code.

round comet May 18, 2020, 12:41 PM

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and the "palace of pain" is not really a single place.

what the tudejsa aka the human on zeta halo called the "palace of pain", was actually many forerunner research facilites situated on zeta halo

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 12:42 PM

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It probably will end up being zeta halo, but not because of its relation to the flood

round comet May 18, 2020, 12:42 PM

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im kinda hoping that we'll get to see maethrillian

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but thats highly unlikely

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 12:43 PM

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I don’t think it’s that unlikely

round comet May 18, 2020, 12:43 PM

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so its possible?

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 12:44 PM

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I think so

round comet May 18, 2020, 12:44 PM

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hm

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do you have a reason?

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im curious

carmine sleet May 18, 2020, 12:44 PM

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I'd say it's more likely than the Flood theories I've seen

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 12:45 PM

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The domain is an important part of the reclaimer saga

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The domain’s core is on maethrillian

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Zeta Halo has been to maethrillian

round comet May 18, 2020, 12:46 PM

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rigghhht but then everyone seems to believe that 343 made the mistake of including stuff which only people who've read the books will understand

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 12:48 PM

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It’d be pretty easy to summarize that stuff in the game to provide context

round comet May 18, 2020, 12:51 PM

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i initially thougt that its hilariously stupid but now i think its possible.

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 12:51 PM

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I think discussing leaks is not allowed

round comet May 18, 2020, 12:52 PM

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oh uh

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is time-travel possible in halo?

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 12:52 PM

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It happened in first strike

round comet May 18, 2020, 12:52 PM

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yes it did

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but that was uncontrolled

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 12:53 PM

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Time travel is a common sci fi trope. It’s possible

round comet May 18, 2020, 12:54 PM

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no i mean, is there any way to control it

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 12:54 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

round comet May 18, 2020, 12:54 PM

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jolly furnace May 18, 2020, 1:49 PM

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What we discussing lately?

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Time travel better not come into Halo in a big way.

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Its the one trope that breaks any setting

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And its just used as a way to usually retcon out bad or hated plot points or things

carmine sleet May 18, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Halo's already had time travel in First Strike

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 1:53 PM

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And iluvbees

jolly furnace May 18, 2020, 1:53 PM

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Yeah but im talking endgame like

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 1:53 PM

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I liked endgame

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Fun movie

jolly furnace May 18, 2020, 1:54 PM

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So did i

carmine sleet May 18, 2020, 1:54 PM

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Endgame was time travel handled well (For the most part)

jolly furnace May 18, 2020, 1:54 PM

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But I dont want time travel to be common thing or be a big thing in Halo

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It was fine as a one off thing in the novel

round comet May 18, 2020, 2:02 PM

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in first strike, i dont think it played that big of a role

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it should stay that way, please no time travel UNLESS we get to travel back in time to the foerunner era

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like, in the middle of the whole conflict thing

carmine sleet May 18, 2020, 2:04 PM

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I'd rather not go back that far in the timeline if time travel is introduced in a major story

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Or if we do, not have us do anything meaningful

round comet May 18, 2020, 2:05 PM

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yeah i just think it'll make for a really interesting plot

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going back in time to when the rings hadnt been fired

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but i dont see any real reason for that to happen

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id prefer something like using the mendicant bias as the offensive bias against cortana

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 2:07 PM

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But he ded

round comet May 18, 2020, 2:08 PM

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dead?

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his current status is unknown

lament hornet May 18, 2020, 2:09 PM

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no, it isn't. He was destroyed on Installation 00

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Unfortunately, I think 343 wanted to keep him on the back burner just in case

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But halo 3 heavily suggested he died and I think that’s how it should be

round comet May 18, 2020, 2:10 PM

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it isnt confirmed tho is it?

lament hornet May 18, 2020, 2:13 PM

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It was heavily implied by Bungie, he was destroyed

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Though 343 are free to retcon that, if they so choose (which would be ehh)

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 2:13 PM

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Fingers crossed they don’t

lament hornet May 18, 2020, 2:14 PM

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🤞

round comet May 18, 2020, 2:14 PM

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......what about the didact

lament hornet May 18, 2020, 2:14 PM

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The Didact was composed, not killed, why?

humble yacht May 18, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Depends on how they decided to bring him back. I half excepted warden eternal to be a Robo body for Didact when I first saw screenshots

round comet May 18, 2020, 2:16 PM

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warden eternal always confused me

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is he the warden ancilla, who was in halo:cryptum?