I think what they're asking for is a retcon of everything in Halo 4 and 5
#lore-and-universe
carmine sleet
versed helm
so, just glass over H4 and 5
carmine sleet
Which is something they shouldn't do. They aren't perfect but it would be a bigger mistake to try and hide their existence
versed helm
ik
the didact and the whole guardian arc lends quite a bit of story to it all
plus
HW2 hints at a link up with the main story line by showing the guardian
carmine sleet
Like, Halo 5's story has been beaten round the bush enough by now, sure, but even from a bad story, you can make something great that comes afterwards
versed helm
agreed
quasi osprey
that i got to be a fan of Locke > Chief and Arbiter > Chief
versed helm
locke and arbiter also do a mission together in 5, right
carmine sleet
They work together for a few missions
versed helm
i wonder what would happen if arbiter had choice between chief and locke for a mission
carmine sleet
He'd more than likely work with Chief but given that Locke wasn't trying to kill Chief, only find him, I doubt he'd be hostile to Locke or anything like that
versed helm
yeah
dusky frigate
Splinter groups don't for the most part, live on sangheilous. Rather SOS and the sangheili tribes
versed helm
I don't see how that is relevant to dubbing Sanghelios "deadish" when the agricultural aspect is fine.
carmine sleet
They also still have plenty of males. Just because Arbiter is allowing females to serve, doesn't mean they're running out of males to fight in wars
versed helm
If the allegiance improves between the humans then they'd likely grow stronger too. Not the opposite, they can respect other cultures without changing theirs and making it "weaker".
And the allegiance is likely going to improve because of the contributions they've made both technologically and strategically.
dusky frigate
Well, agricultural is fine but when I mean sanghelios is dead. The society and purpose of sanghelios. Sanghelios wasn't (For most part) a place of large cities and society. Rather small villages and tribes of warriors. The warriors (Kaidons) ruled the tribes and the planet. There were many religious artifacts to the sangheili. All of this made sanghelios important rather then being a home planet. Now that most of this culture and relics are gone, it is no longer sanghelios but rather A home planet of the sangheili
versed helm
Well wouldn't they just go back to their original culture then? They haven't exactly lost anything other than being in the Covenant.
dusky frigate
Most of the warrior culture and society died with the death of most sangheili at the end of the covenant, this is only furthered by the continuous war that sangheili faced
The death of knownledge
versed helm
That's just a blatant lie.
dusky frigate
You're saying most of the warrior class sangheli* didnt die at the end of the covenant
versed helm
Yes, there were a lot of Elites fighting with the humans lol. A lot of them remained after the war too, they just went home.
So now you're backtracking, before you were talking about H5 causing this.
Now you're talking about H3 doing this.
dusky frigate
I said civil war and the uprising of jiralhanee
versed helm
No, you mentioned H5.
versed helm
Right but now you're saying that the Covenant did this.
dusky frigate
I'm saying the death of so many sangheili and the constant stress of destructive war have destroyed sanghelios
versed helm
Subjective.
Really, it's up to 343i to show how the past events have affected the Sangheili in Infinite.
If they screw it up though then I'd be annoyed.
dusky frigate
Indeed
versed helm
So you can't say that their culture has been ruined or that they're "deadish" with confidence.
When this hasn't been confirmed yet, for all we know, they could have a really honourable system now.
Because of how they wrongfully persecuted the humans.
hot nymph
In all fairness
It was actually the elites that recognised some of humanity’s more positive qualities
But they overlooked that due to the great journey
inner basin
The Elites didn’t overlook it, they were wondering why the humans weren’t accepted into the Covenant for how determined they were. But if any of the Elites persisted this questioning of the Prophets they would be branded heretics and be either killed or one in particular may be branded Arbiter if they have a substantial influence
south matrix
Is Master Chief's current face based on Steve Downes?
He's bacially a Spartan version of his VA
bright briar
Aside from Halo 4's legendary ending, we don't really know what his face looks like.
We do have a few adjectives to describe him, from the books, but nothing visual.
carmine sleet
We know what his face looks like when he was younger
bright briar
That too.
past olive
I remember some people were mad about seeing chiefs face
carmine sleet
I do remember that
versed helm
People get mad just to be mad
violet notch
A) you don't actually see his whole face. Just very tired close up of his eyes obscured by bad lighting.
B) yeah people were mad, because it takes away from a bit of the image of the character to see his face. When you think of Chief, you think of that iconic helmet, seeing his face would ruin that factor.
past olive
I mean the helmet is still iconic
it never ruined that for me
and a helmet can still be iconic while still showing a charaters face, I mean Doom and Metroid pulled it off
violet notch
Yeah, but your mentalimage goes immediately to that helmet, because that's all you have. If there were a full face reveal, then that could change the character's image.
past olive
Doom actually pulled it off twice if you consider his 2016/Eternal helmet iconic
violet notch
But when you think of Samus, herhelmet doesn't have the same strength of influence over your mental image, as Chief's helmet does.
versed helm
Well some Elites actually wanted the humans to join the Covenant but this was out of the question.
violet notch
The Prophets who knew the human's relationship to their gods were also the ones in charge, and were able to make sure that it didn'thappen. Because if the secret ever got out, they would suddenly not have the monopoly of power they were currently enjoying.
versed helm
Well obviously, H3 would have happened a lot sooner lmao.
Elites would realise the lies of the Prophets, they would most likely side with the chosen race (human race). Brutes wouldn't care because they just care about power so their new ranks would appeal to them.
violet notch
There was also likely a little bit of "trying to convince yourself" too. Where painting the humans as demons helped them come to terms with it since Humans and Forerunner (with a capitol 'F') were enemies, despite both being part of the forerunner (with a lower 'f') and would otherwise technically classify as their gods too.
versed helm
Do you think that they'd treat humans a lot better when realising this?
Like almost worship them lol? Before the humans would have to tell otherwise.
violet notch
The Prophets wouldn't. It would completely upheave their position at the top of the racial caste system. But the other races might have.
versed helm
I was talking about the Elites in that hypothetical situation.
violet notch
Ah, in that case a hard maybe.
Some may, but others would wonder how it was that their gods were such a puny and fragile species whose technology paled in comparison to their own.
versed helm
They would also probably have to persuade the humans into leaving.
Since in that hypothetical situation, the humans would believe the lies too.
violet notch
Well, they aren't complete lies. The idea that they would somehow have some devine power wouldn't be true, for sure. But the fact that the ancient artifacts that were regarded as sacred belonged and only truly responded to their wills would be absolutely true.
versed helm
Wait, that's why the humans were chosen?
Because of their wills? So if weaker wills from like civilians would cause the Forerunner tech to respond weaker in comparison to say, Johnson?
versed helm
Sorry.
violet notch
I mean all the Forerunner artifacts only respond to Humans. I was being poetic, lol.
Sorry.
versed helm
Ah, that's alright. I just didn't see it lol, I'm not very creative.
violet notch
But think of how impressed with us the Elites and other races would be to see a human wield and command their holy relics with such ease.
Depending on how dramatic the artifact was, it would be quite a show to see it respond so well to a human.
versed helm
"You handle that pretty gracefully, for a worm!" Lol.
violet notch
Well, the disdainful usage of the word "worm" is about how they feel now. Because now they know that humans are just an older race that the relics respond to, and are not devine themselves. Think about how Jul M'Dama treated the scientist guy and Halsey in the Spartan ops scenes.
versed helm
Well they created that insult because it was a common misconception with the humans.
When they first saw them.
They thought that they were worms piloting biological suits.
violet notch
Lol, Imean, aren't we?
Our brain and spine vaguely resemble a worm piloting a biological suit.
versed helm
So are they, but our brain is not a separate organism.
violet notch
I know, I was just being silly.
violet notch
Sooo.... my brain found that funny first, but then immediately shifted to H2A cutscenes of Arbiter being dragged through HighCharity naked. Either the Elites don't have a similar reproductive system to us, 343i didn't feel like rendering a Sangheili p3n15, or Arbiter has a really small thingy, lol.
hot nymph
@inner basin that’s what I meant but may have mixed my words up
versed helm
@violet notch I can PM an explanation if you want.
violet notch
I'd rather not know, thanks. I just find it a bit funny.
violet notch
I imagine it's just they have a different reproductive system entirely. And I'd rather be happy leaving it at that, correct or otherwise.
versed helm
No, it's not actually. It's the same.
violet notch
Well thanks, ya just ruined my blissful ignorance, thank you, lol.
violet notch
stop please
versed helm
They'll usually produce loads of offspring so they're separated from birth so they don't experience or are a victim to favouritism.
Oh, sorry.
violet notch
oh, that's not where I thought you were goin, lol, whew, still, let's uh... put a pin in this conversation.
split tendon
STOP
DTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP
AAAAAAAAAAAACK
Hey, anybody play a roblox game called Project Stardust?
versed helm
No.
split tendon
Its a Game that has ships, Like S p a c e s h i p s
violet notch
Um uh... a Brute vs an Earth Gorilla, hand-to-hand combat only, GO!
versed helm
oh, that's not where I thought you were goin, lol, whew, still, let's uh... put a pin in this conversation.
Yeah, sorry your message appeared just before I finished and I wouldn't have done anything like that anyway.
split tendon
l o l
versed helm
Regardless, I didn't mean to scare you like that, sorry for that.
violet notch
Who watched the movie Nightfall? How did those Lekgolo survive the destruction of the Halo? How did they not get infected by the Flood? Were they just deep enough in the structures of the ring to survive the blast? Were they lucky enough to be on another side of the ring than the Flood outbreak.
versed helm
I don't think there have been any cases of Lekgolo being infected by the Flood.
split tendon
They were probs on the other side of the ring from the Autumn
Also
No
There are no known cases
violet notch
"known" cases
violet notch
Something as devestatingly viral and completely overwhelming as the Flood wouldn't stop at the friggin' Lekgolo. Besides, Lekgolo also have the capability of sentience, meaning they're as juicy a target as any.
Watched Mona Lisa. Great story. But it doesn't really add or take away from the terribleness of the Flood.
split tendon
Lekgolo in Hunter form could just expell an infected worm
violet notch
Eventually they'd be overrun.
split tendon
And I dont think lekgolo even have a Respiratory
versed helm
They likely do.
violet notch
I... don't think having a respiratory system was ever a requirement. Sufficient biomass and sentience so far have been the only mentioned requirements.
versed helm
I found it really creepy how they'd mimic their victims in Nightfall.
violet notch
And yeah, they likely have one, just nothing like what we're used to.
split tendon
Yall should play Stardust tho if yall play roblox
violet notch
I don't play roblox
versed helm
I don't play games targeted for 3 year olds.
split tendon
Stardust is a more mature type of game
versed helm
It's Roblox though.
violet notch
I do. Nintendo has some amazingly fun kids games.
split tendon
It aint something fun for a 3 year old
versed helm
And not relevant to this chat either.
split tendon
Eh it has a UNSC Ship tree
violet notch
Yeah, wrong channel mate
split tendon
o k
split tendon
i said something completley diffrent but i get the point
versed helm
Hey, anybody play a roblox game called Project Stardust?
Yall should play Stardust tho if yall play roblox
violet notch
he gets it man, let's move on
versed helm
Just proving my point.
split tendon
n o
versed helm
No, they're just slightly more intelligent apes.
split tendon
Brute is gorilla on steroids and a bit more intelligent
versed helm
Not very competent thinkers, those are rare cases.
versed helm
Tartarus was not even that intelligent, he refused to accept the truth from even Forerunner archive machines themselves lol.
split tendon
That guy who leads the banished literaly nearly sliced his hand catching that energy sword at that start of that thing
tartarus was seemingly intelligent
Seemingly
versed helm
Now Atriox is intelligent.
split tendon
Atriox, Right
versed helm
But I don't like him.
split tendon
I hate Atriox
versed helm
Which is good because it makes killing him more fun.
split tendon
UNSC All the way
stark fern
if atriox got any bigger his head wouldn't be visible over his chestplate
split tendon
l o l
stark fern
(or was that his branch leaders?)
versed helm
Well he's egotistical for a reason but every enemy needs a weakness. Tartarus' was his lust for power.
versed helm
Well yeah Thel literally showed Tartarus the truth but he refused to accept it because of his new position.
split tendon
y e s
stark fern
do elites eat like praying mantises?
split tendon
Atriox was just a big stinky dum dum
Facing the UNSC
Even the bloody Spirit of Fire and the (Anonymus) Commander
versed helm
Elites are omnivores.
split tendon
Brutes are not known for intelligence
Grunts are literaly children
Hunters are fine
And jackals need money
versed helm
Atriox is a rare case though, I'd say he's pretty intelligent and competent (as much as I hate him).
split tendon
Drones apparently all died before halo 4
versed helm
I don't think that's true.
split tendon
Never seen a drone past 4
violet notch
I think it's just that Jul didn't have any Drones under his command.
split tendon
Also, Apparently
stark fern
(just realized that chief kills hundreds of child soldiers)
violet notch
Maybe, instead of continuing to get wrapped up in the politics of the Covenant schism, the Drones just... buggered off
stark fern
i hate you.
versed helm
Jackals also seemed to say that.
hot nymph
I never payed much attention to what they had to say
split tendon
I listened somewhat
violet notch
The Covenant species translate the names of the species into their colloquial names when speaking English with the Humans. Because it's technically their valid English Proper Noun translation at this point.
split tendon
Uhh
versed helm
One of my favourite lines from the Elites in Reach is "Wiibu", just sounds so dumb lol.
split tendon
So i find a lot of Easter eggs on the internet and do them for no reason on MCC
violet notch
None of the Covenant spoke English in Reach.
split tendon
I love the Pelican easter egg
violet notch
Most of those are also achievements.
versed helm
I know Ridley, but you can distinguish what they sound like.
split tendon
Pelican is just something that is Extremley difficult to attempt alone
stark fern
brutes sound the same as elites though?
stark fern
bruh
violet notch
You can do it alone if you land the Falcon with its propellers along a small ridge trimming just under the easter egg switch, but this is getting off topic.
versed helm
brutes sound the same as elites though?
No, only the ones in 4-5.
carmine sleet
We aren't going to get an off topic channel
split tendon
D a m i t
versed helm
There are plenty of other servers with those channels.
stark fern
what time do multiplayer simulations take place?
split tendon
a
carmine sleet
I don't think the time within the simulation really matters outside of whether the map will be dark or light
versed helm
It could be, what if certain maps have certain weather effects at certain times?
Like how planets have different behaviours.
versed helm
Considering how music has proven to relieve physical pain, do you think Spartans would play music in their helmets during operations?
carmine sleet
They don't play music during operations
There was a tweet by Troy Dennings, the guy who is writing Shadows of Reach about how in early drafts of the novel, Kelly was listening to Killer Queen but that had to be changed due to potential copyright infringement issues that could've happened
versed helm
But that kind of indicates that they would, right? Like if copyright infringement laws weren't in place I'm sure authors would include something like this?
carmine sleet
We don't know what she was doing while listening to the song because he didn't say what she was doing and the novel isn't out yet but it's highly unlikely to be something she was listening to during combat. COM channels need to be heard and music would be a distraction
versed helm
I was presuming that they might play it to themselves if severely wounded or something.
carmine sleet
Unlikely they would
versed helm
Don't want to sound patronising but how are you so sure?
carmine sleet
Because they've never had a Spartan playing music while injured or in combat
versed helm
Yeah but the lack of coverage doesn't mean it hasn't happened but I understand the point.
Thinking about it now, I'd say Marines would be likely to do it.
Honestly, it's believable, as soldiers in WW1 and WW2 liked to sing to pass time
And it would make sense if the Marines or even ODSTs did as well
Helljumpers just play Fortunate Son as they drop in lol.
That song would be a relic at that point though.
versed helm
Did the Jiralhanae have to shave their fur to wear the power suits they wore in H3?
feral perch
No.
versed helm
It certainly looks like it.
Or is this a different phenotype? Like the ones in Reach?
feral perch
They are wearing an undersuit iirc, so maybe you mistook that for skin
versed helm
Well, when you look at their skin (on their face) and compare it to some of the skin exposed, you don't see any fur.
feral perch
Maybe that’s genetic or clan ritual
feral perch
Eh, I think they look the most unlike the Reach Brutes
versed helm
I'm not just talking about biological appearance, I'm also talking about their armour too.
feral perch
Hm
violet notch
That's like waving your hand and saying "magic" anymore, and it's not an answer.
To answer your question @versed helm a Gravemind is essentially the whole collective of a Flood infestation. Wherever its infestation is, it is. So if the Flood were to spread, say from the surface of a Halo ring to an orbiting structure like High Charity, then the Gravemind spreads with it.
The Flood that did move, moved to High Charity. And as part of the hive mind, that means the Gravemind is there too now.
A Gravemind is a collective conscience that develops as the Flood infestation grows in size. It is the local infestation. So wherever that infestation goes, it goes.
You're seeing the Gravemind as just that big Venus Flytrap form in a defunct control room. It's not, it is that, but it's also the entirety of the rest of the local infestation at the same time.
somber wave
I would assume it could move physically
having to use neural physics to get around everywhere seems like a lot of effort
near tide
There's only been one complete gravemind
somber wave
my guess is that it slithers around like a snake or something
near tide
The rest were proto-graveminds
violet notch
That big Venus Flytrap form is just a mass of Flood matter that formed there. It's not the Gravemind's physical form. In Halo 3, all of High Charity is infested, and therefore all of High Charity is the Gravemind.
near tide
yep
violet notch
The Gravemind's physical form is all of the local infestations physical forms.
So it doesn't need to slither that very specific chunk of Flood matter to move. It can move just by moving but a single spore from its local infections.
That's technically still it moving.
Here's what I'm trying to say. That if you searched every nook and cranny of high Charity as we saw it in Halo 3, you wouldn't find a big Flytrap form. The whole of High Charity is the Gravemind. But it's the same Gravemind we saw in Flytrap form in Halo 2. It didn't relocate that specific matter by slithering onto High Charity, it sent combat and infection forms to spread, and it, in turn, was also spread.
near tide
yeah
violet notch
It grew. It didn't move. I guess that's more accurate to say than it can move. Is that it can grow.
And the growths can move... and grow.
somber wave
so your saying that the gravemind found in halo 2 is still on the ring?
violet notch
The Flood isn't the Zerg. Also, I think then it is possible that the Gravemind form we saw in Halo 2 could be on the Ring. Unless, for whatever reason, it did actually uproot itself from the ring to consume all of High Charity. Though I don't know why it would do that.
Comparing isn't always a good thing.
somber wave
My theory is that the worm form can move physically, but can spread through other flood forms and still have control.
violet notch
Now that I'm thinking about it. It is possible that Installation 05's infestation could have made the effort to relocate all its mass to High Charity in favor of its better mobility. Since the humans are aware of I5's location in subsequent games, and don't make mention of still dealing with the Flood there.
Correct that it needs to make those things to grow intelligent, but once those things are made, the whole of the infestation becomes the same entity, the same hivemind. Now those forms aren't the center network of their conscience, the whole lot of them are.
But the network is the gravemind.
It's like saying your arm isn't you because it's not your brain.
Well now we finally get to the Nueral Physics part. The "magic" telepathy that keeps separate physical beings connected and sharing the same consciousness.
So after running around in this circle, I guess we finally made our way back to the same answer:
Neural Physics.
But this time we didn't just handwave and say the words, we explored what it meant first.
Which is more preferrable than replying with just:
"Neural Physics"
because that's just lazy IMO.
Which is what I have a problem with.
You might as well say "magic" and leave it at that at that rate.
Well in this case, it is the right answer, but it's not a simple as just saying it and moving on. Which is why I said it's not really an answer. It's better to dive into the details of the hows and nuances, then sum it up. Which is what I prefer.
Instead of saying two words like some magic bullet.
terse lava
Quick thing to add on the gravemind. The form we saw in halo 2 talking was not it's true body, just a tentacle it chose to use. The large mass at the bottom was the gravemind itself
hot nymph
So the gravemind chose a tentacle that had a mouth on it
violet notch
Imagine a Scorpion tank.
Now add more guns, more armor, and more mobility.
It's a win win win.
So I'd say very.
versed helm
If you're referring to the Grizzly then the downside could be the fact that it's a large target.
And easier to spot.
violet notch
A Mantis is very different than a Grizzly. Arguably better in every way.
humble yacht
A Mantis... to surpass Metal Gear
somber wave
Walkers are cool and all, but you could just pull an empire strikes back and trip them, IMO tanks with treads are better for most situations
humble yacht
Col. Volgin would like a word with you
versed helm
There's no escape from you Chimera, I just found a lore article you answered lol.
About dreaming in cryogenic sleep.
humble yacht
Article?
versed helm
More of a webpage.
humble yacht
You mean thread?
versed helm
I was curious because I can't see how you could dream while the brain cells are frozen. Unless they are frozen enough to slow it down significantly?
Rather than just stopping them from working?
Do dreams come from the primitive side of the brain?
When you say primitive, which sides are you referring to?
humble yacht
Brain activity is measured in action potentials (electric signals). These signals propagate based on little ions and molecules passing between neurons. Cryosleep supposedly lowers the kinetics of cell activity to almost zero, but if it’s not zero, then theoretically you could still have brain activity
I was just quoting Riddick
versed helm
Well that could explain how Chief had a dream while in cryo
Well if it's in the same state as a coma then they'd definitely dream.
humble yacht
It would be lower brain activity than a coma
versed helm
That's when your brain is not fully conscious and in a survival state.
Ah, so a more severe survival state?
humble yacht
No, that’s not quite it
versed helm
Just for the bare essentials, like respiration and cardiac activity?
Oh.
humble yacht
You don’t respirate in cryo sleep
Because your cells aren’t active, you don’t need O2
versed helm
But the brain cells are, only partially though.
humble yacht
If your heart was beating in cryo sleep then you’d die after long periods of time
versed helm
So maybe it's like my theory earlier where it just slows your cell activity by a significant rate.
humble yacht
And halo people don’t don masks or tubes in cryo pods, they just get in
humble yacht
So it’s simply not an accurate representation of cryogenics
Chief has MJOLNIR which is air tight and has its own O2 reserves
Can’t really use him as an example
versed helm
Does it have a 4 year reserve tank though?
humble yacht
Eh, no, but in cryo maybe it could last 4 years?
versed helm
Well, Spartans have been trained to breathe in a way that conserves oxygen.
humble yacht
It’s difficult to scientifically analyze sci fi cryosleep. Modern cryogenics only freeze clinically dead people
versed helm
Alright then, my head canon will just be that it slows cell activity down to a degree.
You'll dream because of how fast brain cells can function too.
last anchor
Actually you dream when you come OUT of cryosleep, as Contact Harvest showed us.
versed helm
It's been a very long time since I've read that.
last anchor
I only remember it because it was important for some of my own writing.
I had an S-III coming out of cryo and suffer a PTSD nightmare, causing him to angrily lash out at the tank and literally kick the lid clean off.
So its kind of stuck in my mind as like "oh right, Christian did that cause of that"
Also Chief has an almost prophetic dream coming out of cryo in The Flood
carmine sleet
I should revisit my OCs, been a long time since I did anything with them
unique rune
I mean I don't think anyone's gonna argue that bipedal mecha are practical in the slightest
candid quartz
would it even perform that well off-road?
unique rune
It'd be incredibly slow but technically it'd probably be able to traverse more uneven terrain than, say, a Warthog or Scorpion.
candid quartz
on a moderately hard surface but with mud or slippery terrain?
unique rune
Maybe...?
candid quartz
I feel treads are more relaible and less situational
unique rune
I mean, yeah, there's a reason the entire concept of the continuous track hasn't really changed a whole lot.
versed helm
Ruwan pulled a massive pro gamer move
jolly furnace
To whoever asked about Flood earlier way up the page, a precursor/very early form of what would become the Flood existed way back when the Precursors became powder. The powder caused and disease in all it touched and the Precursors decided to use this as revenge. This happened long before the automated ships that carried the powder were found by ancient humans.
This suggests the Precursors put the powder on those ships and sent them onto those worlds deliberately after witnessing the corrupted powder's effects on lifeforms.
last anchor
Also Mantis’s can jump if they have thrusters and be air dropped in fully combat ready
Shock and awe, plus energy shields
terse lava
Only one those things will shock and awe would be filthy inniee
versed helm
mantises are pretty gangsta
i think their design was taken from Avatar, though. they're pretty similar
versed helm
One question, in Halo 4, is the starfighter Master Chief uses in the last mission a Navy Fighter or an Air Force fighter? In the US and other militaries Fighters and Helicopters released from Ships are usually part of the Navy, but in Halo I am not sure if it would be Naval Air Systems or Air Force.
unique rune
Ivanoff Station was an ONI facility, so... presumably that particular F-41 was Navy.
carmine sleet
Aye, definitely not air force
versed helm
Also, what is the real point of an Air Force, correct me if I am wrong, but because of how huge operations can get, normal fighters can deploy as Army rather than have a whole branch dedicated to planetary aerial warfare.
queen tree
Wort
versed helm
Actually, I may be an idiot, I think they deploy from land but also fly in space
Only depends in Reach if the Sabre was Army or Air Force
isn’t ONI abbreviated for Office of Naval intelligence so right off the bat it would be Navy anyways or does it not work like that?
broadswords r navy yes?
Well, if this was in our earth, that would be how it would work, since ONI isn't the main american intelligence unit
But because ONI is their main intelligence force, I think it is much different for them
the starfighter for the level i believe is composer that is either a sabre; longsword or broadsword
ah ok
unique rune
It’s a Broadsword.
versed helm
ah ok so i was close to the 3-ranged target
unique rune
Halo’s Office of Naval Intelligence still technically falls under the UNSC Navy, it’s just got... a fair bit of free reign.
versed helm
by target i mean answer
In the UNSC, the Navy is rather the main branch in my opinion. Marines fall under Naval Infantry, Army is basically Organized Militia, and Idk much about Air Force
I love how in Halo 3 on the storm after the scarab fight if u kill all of the unsc allies; they dont run after u if u go farther into a map
there was one point i wanted to see how much allies can get obliterated in a single room
but most of the time the npc’s that die but are in the levels are completely useless in some parts of the game
versed helm
yup
the super marines you get if you kill keyes in combat evolved, though
man
i spent a whole hour trying to get through them
whole hour through them?
dusky frigate
When a grunt playing an admirals voice recording kills the most talented sangheili to live and his ship
versed helm
You really hate the Sangheili don't you?
versed helm
Is there anything in particular that screams in Quarantine Zone for H2?
In the mission you hear a loud roar and I wondered if it was the Gravemind.
bright briar
It could just be the Flood in general. They tend to do that.
opal birch
For the guys talking about the practicality of mechs, here ya go
And his critiques of several Halo vehicles
The first one is the Scorpion, the second one is the Grizzly
the Wraith
Talks about the Scorpion again, mentions stuff he forgot to talk about in his first scorpion vid and talks about the Warthog and then the Scarab
inner basin
Are all these links necessary?
versed helm
idk
violet notch
meh, he's just being thorough
humble yacht
when people post links to vids rather than explain the point themselves, i never want to view the vids.
versed helm
which is the better AA vehicle: AA wraith, or wolverine?
violet notch
yeah, too much investment
just give us a Tl;Dw; in a message
@versed helm I don't think there's a right answer to that.
I imagine that the AA Wraith is a lot cheaper for the Covenant to make than the Wolverine is for the UNSC. Because I imagine the energy system it uses to fire its shots is similar if not identical to the standard Wraith, and only the cannon is configured differently. The Wolverine, however, requires special ammunition to be built and maintained just for it.
humble yacht
does the covenant even pay for their equipment?
violet notch
I meant cheaper in resources, not money.
humble yacht
seems to me the prophets would just decree that they make more wraiths, and then the materials groups do it
oh
violet notch
But cheaper isn't always better.
versed helm
I believe that there's a forge for several weapons.
Iurui Forge I think.
i guess the AA wraith would be kinda better in terms of possible production
but the wolverine in terms of damage
violet notch
Yeah, pros and cons, which is why there's no right answer. It all depends on which situation you need which pros and which situation you don't need which cons. And preference.
opal birch
@humble yacht I wasn't really trying to explain it though, and the guy making the videos is more to the point than I could ever be.
violet notch
I think you're misusing the phrase "more to the point". That expression means you get to the point of your argument, short and quick. A handful of several minute videos is not short and quick.
I think what you meant to say is, "in more detail."
opal birch
Ok then, sorry I'm been up all night and I'm kinda out of it at the moment
versed helm
How did Six survive the drop from orbit when falling out of The Long Night of Solace?
humble yacht
armor lock
carmine sleet
He had a reentry pack on his back
humble yacht
that probably would help
inner basin
Well Jorge did say “and the only way of this ... [idk what he says here] heap is gravity”
versed helm
I don't get how the re-entry pack helps. It seems that it just gives you a medkit and a magnum.
humble yacht
re-entry pack would have a parachute or something to actually help with re-entry
carmine sleet
We just don't see it in action because Bungie likely just didn't feel like animating it
limpid meadow
Yep. It's just there to hand-wave Noble 6 falling to Reach.
versed helm
Are there canonical variants of the ODST armour? In H2, they look very different to the rest of them.
carmine sleet
All looks of ODST armour is canon
somber wave
I prefer the H3 version tbh
deep pewter
Helljumper >>>
versed helm
Are there specific names for them though?
stoic hamlet
There’s...I wanna say either Mythos or HW2 art showing both the 2 Anniversary and 3/Reach designs side by side.
versed helm
H2 is my favourite, just because of how simple it looks.
versed helm
i like the one Rookie has in ODST
spiral jewel
I like how Spartan Ops makes use of the Valhalla/Ragnarok map, by making it an essential part of the campaign,
violet notch
How long would it take the Flood to infect the Star Wars galaxy?
spiral jewel
Probably weeks at best
violet notch
Things to consider the SW galaxy is a lot more densely populated, with a lot more travel from star systems. However, their tech is infinitely better than we see in Halo.
The Empire could easily muster its forces, and wouldn't hesitate to wipe out whole systems to stop the spread if it had to.
feral perch
Forerunner technology far outclasses anything the Empire could muster
And I believe Covenant technology could as well
violet notch
That's fair. But it took until the last possible option for them to decide to destroy lives to stop it. The Empire wouldn't have hesitated.
That planet over there is infected? Death Star.
feral perch
The Empire would have been overwhelmed by the Flood
humble yacht
Killing one planet at a time would likely be too slow
violet notch
Well there's always the massive number of ships to throw at orbital bombardments.
reef estuary
the empire lacks the organization, structure, discipline, steeped with nepotism, corruption, fear mongering, where failure is met with death, its actually surprising the empire can find any ground of stability as a civilization at all let alone have any chance to combat threats, 😮
violet notch
Except that when the Emperor says "jump" everyone asks "how high" so if he commanded the fleets to engage the Flood with everything they had, they could organize pretty well when they need to.
carmine sleet
Palpy’s fleet of planet-killing Xystans would work
but they’re stupid so
I really wish they just deployed Operation Cinder Satalites or put up some sort of shield network that kept people trapped on the planets
violet notch
Plus there are a stupidly rediculous number of ships in their arsenal than anything we see in Halo. The sheer numbers alone could grant them the firepower to stop the infection. That and their lack of hesitation to make sacrifices the Forerunner hesitated to make.
reef estuary
that and potential divine intervention
after all the leaders of the empire are basically space wizards who can sense important events unfolding or even directly foresee the future.
violet notch
If the Gravemind could tap into the Force, and lets say he took over enough Force sensitive lifeforms to do it. Then he could certainly weild the Dark Side on a level even the most powerful Sith Lord could only dream of.
versed helm
like destroy entire planets with it
there is a sith lord who had enough power to do that
cant recall his name
humble yacht
Nihilus?
violet notch
Imagine the Gravemind being able to infect minds without needing to infect the body by way of the Force. (shudders)
That... changes things.
versed helm
Advanced neural physics.
fair hazel
sw tech isnt infintiely better than what we see in halo
violet notch
I exaggerated a little.
versed helm
but how would the infection travel through the force
humble yacht
something akin to logic plague
carmine sleet
Aye, maybe the Gravemind would completely dominate their mind, basically breaking whoever and bending them to his will
versed helm
Are Longswords still in use?
humble yacht
maybe
versed helm
Does Six have a canonical gender? Like how he has a specific armour combination?
bright briar
He's male.
versed helm
How interesting.
carmine sleet
Canonical armour is default Reach armour in dark grey if I recall
sly field
is an untrue comment and or joke about lore allowed here?
sly field
so saying the human-covenant war timeline is shorter than 20 years even if i'm well aware it's not is not fine?
versed helm
Just make it obvious and maybe say it in the general chat.
sly field
okie
sly field
i know it's wrong, but i wasn't sure if it would be allowed as it goes against some things
humble yacht
so you just wanted to post a false statement for... what, exactly?
trying to understand the point
versed helm
Probably used for the joke.
sly field
not sure, i just randomly remembered something i said to someone but didn't want a warning
versed helm
And now this is slowly becoming irrelevant to the chat.
sly field
i'll stop and you can continue what whatever you're talking about prior to this, sorry for the interruption
versed helm
It's all good.
obsidian thistle
N6 has 2 canon configs. (If the Lootcrate poster is canon)
And he ordered a Upgraded Recon helmet but its uncertain if he got it. We know for a fact he died wearing default Mark V(B).
sly field
oh hey i have that and legendary flames (on 360)
feral perch
Sierra is code for Spartan
humble yacht
sierra is the nato code for the letter S
so that's why they use it for "Spartan"
even though spartan is less syllables
obsidian thistle
"Charlie Hotel" is often used to describe Catherine Halsey. For an other example.
simple locust
So are the Staffs the San'Shyuum Stoics use weapons? What are they?
I'm referring to the ones seen in the terminal in the war between them and the elites.
somber wave
I have a question regarding ODSTs. Is it a permanent role or is it interchangeable with marines?
Example: a marine can be an ODST for a specific operation
simple locust
Isn't there a Sargent from Halo CE that is an ODST in a Day on the Beach in that Halo 2 dlc cutscene but then in Halo 3 he is a Sargent again?
somber wave
Ya I think, that’s why I’m asking
I’m assuming all marines are trained for G forces for exiting and reentry into atmosphere
humble yacht
odst's require special training
like navy seals
regular marines wouldn't be sent on ODST missions. however, odsts could be sent on normal marine missions
simple locust
So are the Staffs the San'Shyuum reformists use weapons? What are they?
I'm referring to the ones seen in the terminal in the war between them and the elites.
simple locust
I'm talking about the ones seen in this cutscene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2sP_pGIGQM
winged birch
probably ceremonial
i was under the impression the San'shyuum were fraile and unable to fight
clever fable
Prelates fight.
simple locust
Well Stewarts used pulse rifles against elites During the war of Beginnings. San'Shyuum with chairs, such as Mken and the other San'Shyuum he went with to their homeworld both had weapons on their chairs. One San'Shyuum served as a ship gunner. Stoics used crude rifles, rockets that could hit air targets, and used some sort of aircrafts.
near tide
Yep what @clever fable said some San'Shuym fought. They even had bodies modified like forerunners to get bursts of strength.
terse lava
@simple locustthose are actually reformists, not stoics. And yes those are just ceremonial
dusky frigate
When a grunt playing an admirals voice recording kills the most talented sangheili to live and his ship/fleet. RIP
carmine sleet
Déjà vu
terse lava
If you want to be technical he wasnt responsible for activating the NOVA. Blame the Huragok
twilit swan
Howdy chat, I have a quick question regarding the HALO 3 launch trailer. We were talking about it a few days ago and I forgot to ask, is there any expanded information on the squad(s) seen in that? I would love to read more about them
To be clear, this is in reference to the project titled "Landfall"
near tide
?
fair hazel
I have walked the edge of the Abyss.
I have governed the unwilling.
I have witnessed countless empires break before me.
I have seen the most courageous soldiers fall away in fear.
[I was there with the Angel at the tomb.]
I have seen your future.
And I have learned.
There will be no more Sadness. No more Anger. No more Envy.
I HAVE WON.
Oh, and your poet Eliot had it all wrong,
THIS is the way the world ends.
A friend of a friend.
fair hazel
The first Cortana letter
Now. It was said by Cortana. But I’m wondering. Does it extend beyond that one time she said it?
carmine sleet
Glyke or unyielding hierophant
Uneven Elephant wasn't destroyed by a Nova, only Glyke and three fifths of the Combined Fleet of Righteous Purpose being destroyed, along with Joyous Exultation's moon being shattered and major damage to the planet itself, by Nova Bombs
plain plinth
Why do shield worlds exist? We’re they used as a way to survive a halo Array??
slate night
Didn't they store the different species on those worlds so they can survive the Halo Array?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
carmine sleet
The Ur-Didact built them because he felt that hiding within them was a better option than firing the array
plain plinth
Hiding from the flood?
slate night
I guess.
plain plinth
But did it allow them to survive the array being fired??
carmine sleet
Yes, to wait for them to starve and die off so that they could emerge from the worlds without worrying about the Flood
plain plinth
Ah yes okay
slate night
Mhm...
Did they store the different species on the Lesser Ark than?
Where were they put?
plain plinth
If the forerunners are said to be ancient beings that were wiped out though, how did the librarian survive? I know she locked Ur-Didact in a cryptum or sometbing but idk
slate night
She died.
carmine sleet
Shield World interiors are not affected by the array
slate night
True.
carmine sleet
But the Ur-Didact was in the minority when it came to the Forerunners, since the majority felt that the Halo array was the better option
carmine sleet
The Librarian catalogued as many races as she could before the array fired and those catalogued races were reseeded after the rings were lit
Yes, he was in Requiem
slate night
Yeah, I remember that.
I wonder if there were any species she couldn't catalog... :O
and now they're extinct.
carmine sleet
There was at least one, which was discovered far too late if I recall
slate night
Yeah..
versed helm
Why do the Brutes use human weapons in Uprising?
slate night
No clue.
carmine sleet
Trophies is the official reason but it's more than likely because Bungie didn't design more weapons for them during Halo 2's development
versed helm
I don't see how trophies is a good enough excuse to use objectively inferior weaponry.
hot nymph
The brutes used largely conventional weapons aswell, and not the same plasma that the other covies used. I mean sure they used plasma rifles but you see in reach some use spikers, in halo 3 aswell, and also maulers and grav hammers
Is my only explanation
carmine sleet
I said trophies because there's Elites in Halo 2 who talk about Brutes taking human weapons as trophies
versed helm
I know, I just thought that there was a logical reason lol.
Then again, the Brutes aren't very competent.
versed helm
But doesn't that make them smart to stock up on human weapons, so they don't need to use more resources for more weapons?
Not if they're inferior and remember we're talking about the Covenant. Think they really need to worry about resources?
obsidian thistle
Well new lore came to our shores today
Minor yes
But
Operation names are always fun.
last anchor
Oh hey, someone was just talking about that
stoic hamlet
I wonder if we’ll get an operation name for the Station Delphi mission.
terse lava
Operation: Hellzone
versed helm
I got reminded about Kurt. ;-;
terse lava
What about him
versed helm
He's dead.
terse lava
Yep
versed helm
Which is sad, no?
versed helm
Everyone has different opinions.
terse lava
Kurt was utterly boned before his death anyway. Though curious now if Voro's victory at Onyx would change anything. All that tech but still have the sentinels around
humble yacht
eh, he probably would have been fine, he blew it out of proportion 😏
versed helm
Noooooo. ;-;
terse lava
Heh
versed helm
Seriously though, we get ODSTs with urban camouflage paints but why not MJOLNIR?
I think anything would be better than a bright blue armour set. Cough cough, Fred cough cough.
stoic hamlet
Because it’s not KEWL and NOTICEABLE enough! Don’t you NOTICE Blue Team in their INDIVIDUAL, CUSTOMIZED armour sets for CASUAL PLAYER CONVENIENCE I mean lore reasons?
clever fable
The few times I've seen fan art of camo patterns on mjolnir, it's never really seemed that appealing. Probably more of a cool factor, or a thought behind marketing as to why it's not something that gets implemented.
One of the concept arts for Reach, maybe it was Jun, might be an exception for me. It looks nice, but there's also just so much more going on there in that picture.
sly field
has chiefs whereabouts during hw2 been explained?
feral perch
No. But he’s in the Milky Way galaxy. Halo Wars 2’s setting, The Ark, is not in the Milky Way galaxy.
The upcoming novel Shadows of Reach should cover a part of 2559, the year in which HW2 is set.
feral perch
Halo 3 explicitly shows you that the Ark is not in the Milky Way galaxy
feral perch
You see the entire galaxy at a distance during the level The Ark
sly field
oh yeah, i forogt i made an instagram story forever ago showing a random galaxy in the skybox in the final mission and was confused
feral perch
That’s our galaxy
feral perch
They were transported from the Ark, through slipspace, to various locations in the Milky Way
near tide
Yeah.
versed helm
hallo
stoic hamlet
Hello!
warm spruce
im really interested in halo lore, where should i get started?
terse lava
Books, guess start with Fall of Reach
gusty star
The Bungie era books would definitely be the best start if you are used to the games, as they, for the most part, expand on the time period within which the original trilogy takes place.
near tide
Fall of reach
past olive
yeah start with the Fall of Reach
slate relic
I agree, fall of Reach is a good starting point, then continue to first strike I would say
near tide
Or silent storm
stoic hamlet
I always recommend going in release order.
gilded mason
Yup
stoic hamlet
It’s the best way to experience the novels I think
And it makes books like Silent Storm feel more meaningful, IMO.
warm spruce
so im replaying Halo: CE, on the 7th mission. gosh the flood are really annoying
on pc, that is.
not sure if its easier on xbox or whatever
oops i forgot that im only supposed to talk about the channel topic/category, sorry.
versed helm
i think its better to try and follow the timeline.
terse lava
Would recommend Fall of Reach, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx, Broken Circle(covie centered book) Silent Storm, and Oblivion. Also the forerunner trilogy
versed helm
Is it even worth reading Fall of Reach if I've seen the CG film?
gilded mason
The CG film changes things and doesn't even cover the fall of Reach
carmine sleet
At least read the comic if you if you don't want to read the novel
versed helm
Ah, I always saw the only reason in reading that is for continuity purposes. I started reading books randomly you see.
The first one I read was Evolutions.
warm spruce
how many halo books are there
carmine sleet
Quite a few, give me a second to go double check
28 out currently if we don't include short story collections like Evolutions and Fractures. Soon to be 29 once Shadows of Reach releases later this year
versed helm
I forgot how some of Evolutions was produced in a film format.
slate relic
The Mona Lisa right?
versed helm
Yeah and Headhunters.
carmine sleet
The Return as well
remote spruce
peak halo
versed helm
I made a mistake, for some reason I thought it was called Chronicles but it was really long ago when I read it.
Are there any books detailing what was happening during Halo Wars?
slate relic
Contact Harvest is the story of the first encounter with the covenant if that’s what you mean
versed helm
Nah more involved with Halo Wars the game itself.
carmine sleet
There's no novelisation of Halo Wars
The only game to receive a novelisation was CE in the form of Halo: The Flood
dusky frigate
Aye halo wars has some comics tho
They’re pretty nice
Ngl tho, The flood was my least favorite book
I kinda found myself being forced to read anything about chief and the only interesting parts featured the covenant politics.
feral perch
Parts of Halo 2 and 3 have been novelized in Halo: Evolutions.
sly field
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bright briar
Try the Kindle app, Idk if you can get the comics on it but the other halo novels are (through Amazon).
So it might be worth a look.
patent mural
Thanks
sly field
i'm not sure if audible is the greatest option but yeah kindle may work or if there's an app somewhere you can find that works you could use that
simple locust
Also how many types of aircraft did the Stoics have in the image from Halo Mythos? Is it 1 or 2, as the ships farther down look different.
sly field
who is cethegus?
bright briar
A brute chieftain.
https://www.halopedia.org/Cethegus
He's the one that you fight at the end of The Ark in Halo 3.
terse lava
@simple locustwe dont know enough about them
They only have him a name a few years ago
sly field
i see
simple locust
@terse lava I meant does there appear to be 2 types of aircraft or 1 in the Halo Mythos image, the one where they are flying near the Dreadnought? The closer ones appear like tubes with spiked parts on the sides and the lower ones appear to have wings that have rounded edges. Again it could be perspective or inconsistent drawings but the wings to me look like they might be bigger on the lower ones but they both have a rectangular piece which has the engines.
Unless the wings retracts while in the air.
terse lava
Could easily just be a different variant as well
plush tinsel
Question.
I was replaying Halo wars 2 a couple of days ago. And in the beginning missions. Jerome asks Isabelle about the covenant ship debris or something like that. And then she proceeds to say Master chief saved “us all”. Then Jerome says I’m glad his still out there or something like that. From what timeline were those debris from?
Which halo story?
sly field
i thought that debris was high charity, unless that came from awakening
plush tinsel
Was it?
sly field
i'm not sure. im just saying that because high charity would count as debris and it was on the ark during the event of dlc
plush tinsel
Tru.
simple locust
Also I know many people consider the ship that crashed on Installation 04 to be an ancient human ship but is there a connecting to that ship and the aliens that came to installation 05 that caused the flood outbreak there?
remote spruce
unlikely, but still plausible
slim thorn
I was replaying Halo wars 2 a couple of days ago. And in the beginning missions. Jerome asks Isabelle about the covenant ship debris or something like that. And then she proceeds to say Master chief saved “us all”. Then Jerome says I’m glad his still out there or something like that. From what timeline were those debris from?
Those debris came from the remaining of Truth's fleet fighting Fleet of Retribution above Installation 00 during the last day of Human-Covenant War. Some ship crashes into the surface while some are stranded in the orbit.
last anchor
Considering the absolute BATTERING that the Shipmaster gave them? Most of it probably ended up on the Ark. Not exactly any other gravity wells around...
plush tinsel
I see. Thanks for the info
versed helm
I wonder, were the Elites able to escape through slip space before the ending of H3?
Well the ones left anyway.
slim thorn
All of them are being evacuated to Shadow of Intent
terse lava
We know also the Pious Inquisitor survived the battle too
strange orchid
Last I remember about the Eternity, it's completion and launch were delayed to fix/update the Infinity, has there been any mention about it since?
snow halo
humble yacht
I wonder, were the Elites able to escape through slip space before the ending of H3?
The remaining Elite and human forces evacuated on the Shadow of Intent while Chief went to High Charity to look for Cortana. By the time the final level begins, Chief, Arbiter, and Johnson (and the two co-op elites depending on which scenario is canon) were the only people left
terse lava
I do believe Ntho and Usze returned to the carrier. I do not recall them commenting on the final battle in Hunters in the Dark
last anchor
It makes the most sense for it just to be Chief, Johnson and Thel, but thats just me.
humble yacht
it's funny that the smallest vessel they had rated for slipspace to leave for Chief and Thel was a frigate. 3 people for a whole frigate. talk about extra leg room
violet notch
Building a ship that's rated for Slipspace probably requires a lot of things you have to consider like power output and shield or hull strength that it invariably would have a minimum size just to accommodate those needs. Relative to your technology levels of course.
terse lava
Blame the primitive tech of humanity
terse lava
We don't know phantoms had that
humble yacht
i mean ultimately it's a non issue but it's just a little ridiculous that 3 people planned to man a whole frigate
terse lava
We only see gunships
humble yacht
Well, phantoms can be rated for slipspace by 2558
terse lava
Yes but 2553? From a fleet that jumped in chase after the flood?
humble yacht
also
violet notch
Maybe they wanted a ship with enough power or a big enough engine that they could use it to blow up the Halo again if they needed to?
humble yacht
didn't phantoms pop in from slipspace during Reach? when Noble 6 was in space?
humble yacht
ok, having a "gunboat" phantom doesn't seem like it would be out of the ordinary for a carrier
hell, even banshees had a model that was slipspace rated
violet notch
Ahem, what about my theory?
humble yacht
doesn't strike me as likely
violet notch
Why not?
terse lava
Would say it makes sense for humanity
humble yacht
because their goal was to fire the ring. they destroy rings to stop them from firing
violet notch
I was about to say, they could fire it first, then blow it up to keep it from firing again... Then I realized that wouldn't be possible, lol.
terse lava
Impulse drives are their default form propulsion. They have never been shown to pull off the stunt seen in LNOS
slim thorn
Last I remember about the Eternity, it's completion and launch were delayed to fix/update the Infinity, has there been any mention about it since?
Looking at the fact itself, the construction of Eternity was definitely delayed. Since several parts meant for Eternity was taken to Infinity, ONI and the constructor must produce another.
simple locust
So were the Giants that attacked the elite Sharquio or possibly something else? Also how much of the Milky way had the Covenant explored?
gilded mason
the Giants that attacked the elite
What's this?
Also how much of the Milky way had the Covenant explored?
They controlled a few thousand star systems within the Orion Arm, but they've sent some amount of scouting/survey teams beyond it.
simple locust
I was referring to the creatures that were reference in Halo Broken Circle by an elite who was missing an eye.
gilded mason
Ah. This is all we know.
"Many cycles ago, I was the last survivor of a vessel brought down by hostiles—we never knew what race it was. They did not speak a civilized tongue. All this was on the far side of the galaxy from here, in the System of Miasmic Giants."
simple locust
Do the Sharquio need to be controlled or can they react to things on their own?
gilded mason
He's not saying the aliens themselves were giants, if you were going off that
simple locust
Other bipeds on the planet of Red and Blue were mentioned. Could it be them?
gilded mason
The shaped stones near the pod were the remnants of an ancient city belonging to an extinct species, an unknown biped
Nah
simple locust
So potentially 2 sentient species that have never been seen or described before?
gilded mason
Potentially three
simple locust
Who were the third?
gilded mason
The method was said to have come from a prisoner from a far planet who had stumbled on their colony long ago. The meditation had been handed down for numerous generations and taught to Bal’Tol by his uncle, N’Zursa ‘Xellus, the previous kaidon.
simple locust
So was there a potential war between races before the war of wills but after the firing of the Halos, not including the Abaddon skirmish?
gilded mason
Possibly. Might not have been a war, though
simple locust
A war would be cooler though. One where 4 or so civilizations nuke themselves before the other species even knoe of them.
Also are there any species devoted to destroying Forerunner relics?
gilded mason
Unknown
simple locust
So what do we know about the 2-38th ages of conflict?
light igloo
was going some lore stuff, found out that there was development of 343 guilty spark's story after silentium where he takes over ONI prowler
any idea where the story is continued?
gilded mason
any idea where the story is continued?
Renegades
It's a sequel to Smoke and Shadow, which does not have Spark.
simple locust
Were the 2-38th ages of conflict internal or with unknown species?
light igloo
thanks
carmine sleet
War doesn't mean something will be cooler, Arrowtongue
gilded mason
Were the 2-38th ages of conflict internal or with unknown species?```
I dunno, man.why is samuel hayden from doom on the cover for halo renegades?
simple locust
So what were the 2-16th grunt rebellions not considered ages of conflict?
gilded mason
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That was filtered?
It wasn't filtered several months ago, and now I got a warning. Joy. =/
simple locust
What other unknown, sentient species are there in the lore?
carmine sleet
If they are unknown, how are we supposed to know anything about them
fair hazel
Dont think so but I’ll look into it ostral.
There’s also many species in the Milky Way we haven’t come across. Either not written yet or revealed. Thing is, there’s a lot more species out there
terse lava
Didnt Frankie some time back (2010-2012) comment non covenant races were out there, but wernt that greatly advanced?
slim thorn
why is samuel hayden from doom on the cover for halo renegades?
It's 343 Guilty Spark's new body known as Arminger. Considering his old body was already destroyed by John-117 and Johnson on the final days of the Human-Covenant War and can't rebuild it, Arminger become his new host body now.
lofty kite
The method was said to have come from a prisoner from a far planet who had stumbled on their colony long ago. The meditation had been handed down for numerous generations and taught to Bal’Tol by his uncle, N’Zursa ‘Xellus, the previous kaidon.
@gilded mason where is this from?
gilded mason
Broken Circle.
lofty kite
Ah ok thanks
terse lava
great book, you should read it
versed helm
Think Buck joined Osiris because he was sick of the responsibility for being a leader of a squad?
carmine sleet
Not quite being sick of leading but not wanting to be a team leader was part of the reason why
versed helm
I assumed he's been traumatised by what he believed to be poor leadership.
Still,who was that prisoner that taught the Ussans a form of meditation?
versed helm
ok, i know im saying this WAAAYYY too late, but in sangheili vs yatuja, sangheili wins in nearly all scenarios, cause they got homing weaponry
like the needler
humble yacht
predators have helmets that automatically target anything that attacks it
and boomerang blades
versed helm
but they arent homing
auto targetting is one thing
but the sangheili can literally fire and forget, as long as he fires in the general direction
yeah, the yatuja will be able to track down the elite from the shots
humble yacht
their homing shots aren't infallible
people avoid needlers all the time, fuel rod shots move rather slow
also the needlers only home within a certain range, and iirc cloak enemies don't trigger the homing feature
versed helm
wait...
i rekt merg vol in Spartn Assault using the homing thing
like, whenever he would go invisible, i would just needle away
humble yacht
not sure if spartan assault is the most accurate representation of how homing works
versed helm
its canon, tho
carmine sleet
Gameplay =/= how things canonically work
humble yacht
events of games are canon. how you play through them isn't
versed helm
well, how does a needler exactly home in?
humble yacht
it couldn't be, sense people play through the events differently. they can't all be canon
afaik, in the literature, the needlers are never described as homing in the first place
versed helm
but they are homing in practically all the games
humble yacht
i know
versed helm
then what do we follow here?
humble yacht
literature is generally more suitable for sourcing lore
sly field
needlers are just the best so them homing makes them better
if they're not described as homing oh well lore is wrong rip
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
versed helm
In terms of CQC, a Sangheili would probably win but in terms of tactics the Predators would win.
versed helm
Well the Predators would immediately lose on Sanghelios. That's just a dust bowl of a planet.
Can't really hide behind a sand dune and expect to win lol.
But in a jungle a Predator would win because of its training.
humble yacht
yeah, that's what I meant by scenario. If the scenario is a Predator is hunting an Elite, the predator has decent advantage. but in a gladatorial arena, hunting skills don't really matter
versed helm
look. if we do consider the needler and the charged pistol shot as homing, the elite wins in almost all scenarios
Yeah I'd say anatomically, a male Sangheili would be significantly stronger.
humble yacht
going by the game, overcharged plasma shot is only useful for the EMP
it doesn't do much health damage
Predators don't have energy shields
versed helm
And there are Spec Ops Elites that could just be as skillful as a Predator in terms of hunting.
So it depends on the class too.
not energy shields. ik. then what powers their armour?
humble yacht
they don't have powered armor
versed helm
.....
humble yacht
neither do elites, for that matter
versed helm
ahhh
humble yacht
i'm sure predator helmets have a battery for the hud and crap like that
humble yacht
it probably is nuclear. they have nuclear devices on their wrists
versed helm
wait......
in the AvP movie that happens in the snowy area, the predator's armour works even after he arms the wrist bomb and leves it in the pyramid
I'd say Sangheili are a lot faster at running too.
humble yacht
the bomb isn't necessarily the power source
versed helm
then the armour isnt nuclear
humble yacht
just saying they've obviously unlocked nuclear tech so they could have nuclear batteries separately in the helmet
versed helm
That could be converting the power source into a bomb?
ahhh
wikia fandom sites dont count as proper sources, do they?
humble yacht
not unless they source the posts with official content
obsidian thistle
A tip I like to say regarding wikis is this.
Imagine it like a interpretation of information attempted to be put as matter of fact as possible, with the key note that sources are king.
If there is no sources. Then there is no way for the reader to prove the information is real.
versed helm
Could you use a plasma based weapon to make a sauna by shooting at the water?
humble yacht
i don't think it would be very good at making a sauna
versed helm
Well, wouldn't the water immediately evaporate on contact?
humble yacht
Plasma is at such high temperature that it would more than vaporize the water
It would likely cause an explosion
deep pewter
So it’d have to be a really big sauna?
last anchor
And in an enclosed space, and the resulting pressure blast would probably smash anyone inside it to the wall.
Remember plasma is as hot as a lightning bolt or the surface of the sun. Water doesn't evaporate when its hit, it undergoes an instantanious state change.
Which in turn produces a LOT of pressure because its going from condensed water to expansive gas
If you want to have a plasma-powered saunua, you'd be better of running plasma conduits through six plus feet of rock, and having a rock pool ATOP them.
Also I think the steam would be hot enough to literally scald skin right off
deep pewter
So you’re saying this method would be better used for a wave pool?
last anchor
Or a hot tub yes
versed helm
Why do the infected Elites have white armour in CEA? Are they all Spec Ops Elites or something?
feral perch
The infected Elites use Halo 3 models as their base, unlike the other Elites in the game, which are all Reach Elites.
feral perch
I'm thinking the white color is just because there is no set color. I think it was done because they didn't have enough time.
CEA is kind of a rushed product.
versed helm
Thanks anyway.
feral perch
yep
weak meadow
I couldnt find any lore of this on youtube or anywhere but what is the lore behind helioskrill?
weak meadow
thanks
feral perch
you're welcome
obsidian thistle
Ah I love how I managed to make the Armor pages look.
That was a 2016 I wont forget. Cause it took 6 months to get those pages to a pretty state. xD
versed helm
You made the pages for Halopedia?
humble yacht
CIA is one of the curators of halopedia, yes
versed helm
That's nice.
obsidian thistle
Yep. 🙂
simple locust
Are Halo CE's spec ops elites black or purple?
terse lava
CE and CEA spec ops sangheili are black armored. Purple wasnt introduced until halo 2
sturdy ice
ok
versed helm
they would just fizz off in the game
could be some kind of switch that had to be pressed, and they didnt figure out how till H2?
No, CEA has white armoured Spec Ops Elites.
Weirdly enough, they have the same markings as Elite Ultras in that game. Were they repurposed or something?
simple locust
I just ask since to me some or all of the Halo CE spec ops look kinda purple to me.
carmine sleet
Likely lighting causing that
simple locust
Yeah. Are spec ops grunts in CE black and purple in Halo 2?
simple locust
For CE or 2 or both?
lethal comet
i just replayed cea after a long time, how can grunts speak english dialogue like "run for your life"?
humble yacht
it's either that MJOLNIR translates their words for you, or the Grunts learned english during the course of the war
lethal comet
MJOLNIR doesn't translate "Wort wort wort" so probably the latter
violet notch
Wasn't there something I read somewhere that military members of the Covenant were required to learn English to give them the advantage of fighting us?
Like, so they can overhear things from us and react accordingly.
I know their intelligence members learned it to study us. But I thought I read somewhere that regular soldiers were required to learn it too, just in case it came in handy.
Then of course, the Prophets learned it, and we know that because of their propoganda messages to us.
feral perch
Yes, lore from Halo Wars states that.
It’s one of the data file things you can find in the campaign.
violet notch
Which could easily explain encounters in the games where you hear some of them speaking English sometimes.
It's also a handy way for interspecies communication if everyone was required to learn the same language, instead of each race using their native tongues.
versed helm
yeah
the sangheili having four jaws makes english fun
or, as they would say it
oh wait
versed helm
i wanna hear johnson say wort wort wort, now
lethal comet
its the same
versed helm
The Sangheili struggle to speak English for obvious reasons.
carmine sleet
Go! Go! Go!
last anchor
Happy Star Wars day everyone.
And remember; the UNSC could stomp most Star Wars factions into the ground with ease.
It is a good time to be a Halo fan, methinks
carmine sleet
So what you're saying is that we should deploy a team of Spartans to take out Kamino?
versed helm
What makes you think that the UNSC could beat the Empire, hmm?
last anchor
Smart AIs, mostly.
And MAC guns and their ability to fire at ranges turbolasers apperently cant even conceive of.
versed helm
I don't like this UNSC propaganda, in all seriousness though. I would say the Galactic Republic would win over the UNSC. However, the UNSC would win over the Empire.
unsc could win over both
last anchor
Having what are basically unaugmented Spartans would give the Republic an edge yes. Also, competent and inventive commanders
To be entirely fair to the Empire though they weren't exactly set up to fight a full scale war, they believe (through Palpatine) that they had secured peace for everything and all that was really needed was police action, through force if needed.
Whereas even in "peace" the UNSC stands at full combat readiness. Not that they've known peace ever, if it wasnt he Innies it was the Covenant and then it was the Covenant splinters and MORE Innies and THEN it was the Created...
Albiet if Im being honest I dont see the groups fighting. The Republic would try to get the UNSC to join in a mutual pact because thats how the Republic rolled and the Empire would PROBABLY try to do the same thing but let them be their own independant thing, like how Hapes used to be